Joe Rogan Experience #1445 - Andy Stumpf

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   ... two, one, and…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      ... two, one, and they stomp. How are you, buddy?

   2. ASAndy Stumpf0:04

      Hello. I'm good.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      What's going on?

   4. ASAndy Stumpf0:06

      Uh, a lot.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      There's a lot happening. Do you have a hot take on this, Andy? What's your hot take?

   6. ASAndy Stumpf0:12

      I get text messages from people saying, you know, "Give me the inside scoop as to what's happening and what I should do."

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Yeah.

   8. ASAndy Stumpf0:19

      And I don't have a good answer. I have the same information sources that everybody else does.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      My concern is, uh, not that we shouldn't protect people that are sick and people that are old. My concern is that these decisions are being done by politicians, and that they, they want to do this so that they can be elected come reelection. Th- they don't want people to be upset at them for not acting, and so they're making these decisions and they're not showing us exactly how they're gonna get out of this. Like, w- when you're shutting down Los Angeles for a month, the ... just the staggering amount of people that are gonna be in debt, and, uh, and, and there's some number that we, we looked it up recently of the amount of people that live check to check. It's crazy. It's like half of America.

   10. ASAndy Stumpf1:07

       The average American, the stat I saw was that they cannot absorb an expense outside of the normal over $400.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       Right. That's gone. That's already gone. So already most Americans are fucked, now, just with this dip, and then they're talking about extending this to April 19th. (sighs) I just don't... I don't know if they have a plan. I don't know how they're gonna buy their way out of this. Like, what do you d- how do you, how do you help those folks?

   12. ASAndy Stumpf1:33

       I mean, I'm the wrong person to ask about that. But I would, I would hope at least that the politicians ... I'm sure there's an aspect always if you are a politician, in the back of your mind, "I have to conduct myself in a way where I can get reelected." Like, everything is probably viewed through that. But I would hope at least that they're viewing it through the humanity perspective. And as far as the decisions they're making, I don't think anybody knows what to do.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:58

       Yeah, I don't think anybody knows what to do either. They feel like they have to do something, so they're doing something. We all need to look at Idris Elba, 'cause that guy looks fucking great. (laughs)

   14. ASAndy Stumpf2:09

       He does.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:09

       He's got ... He's, he's got it. He's got it, and there's ... I mean, he seems fine. Tom Hanks, he says he's just kind of tired.

   16. ASAndy Stumpf2:17

       It's, uh, I, I can't make heads or tails of it, because if you-

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       No.

   18. ASAndy Stumpf2:21

       ... if you go the longer you spend on li- your phone, I think the more ... or your computer, I think the more confused you'll actually become, because I don't know, uh, to be honest, who's telling the truth and who is not. There's stories of people saying, "Hey, I tested positive for this. I don't have any symptoms." "Hey, I live in Italy. Three people are dead in my hallway, and I got sick and I don't feel that good." And then you watch people walking around in zombie apocalypse suits with, you know, mop level 4 gear on, not listening to, you know, how ... You know, we were ... I was walking on the beach yesterday, and, you know, there's, there are people, these huge social bubbles, they don't want to be near each other.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       Mm-hmm.

   20. ASAndy Stumpf2:58

       And from what I can tell, or from what I'm reading, and again, it's, it's so heads or tails, you know, you basically have to be coughed on or sneezed on or touched a surface that one of these infected people have touched, or in close proximity, and there's people on the beach walking around in, in hazmat suits. It's a wild time. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       It's a wild time because of that, because there's no clear information, because you're-

   22. ASAndy Stumpf3:20

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       ... seeing some people that look really healthy and then you're seeing the stories that come out of Italy. One thing to take into consideration in, with Italy is Italy has one of the oldest populations. They, they have a lot of old people, and a shit ton of smokers. Those two factors are huge here, because this is a respiratory disease.

   24. ASAndy Stumpf3:35

       Well, don't they also have, uh, in comparison to the rest of the world, more generations living in a single household?

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       Yes. Yeah.

   26. ASAndy Stumpf3:42

       Which I would imagine is going to be, you know, as, as those generations move on, you're gonna have higher risk people living with people who are lower risk but might be transmitting it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       Right. Yes. That's the real concern. The real concern is you're gonna transmit it to your grandma or someone who's sick. There was a guy ... It's, it's weird how the news gives you these stories. 'Cause there was a guy that was 34 years old that died, and they said he just got back from Disneyland. You're like, "Fuck, I thought you lived forever once you go to Disneyland." This is crazy. He just got back from Disneyland? How ... Like, the fact that they put that he just got back from Disneyland was ... it's all heartstring-pulling stuff. But then if you go deep into the story, this, this young man just got over testicular cancer, he had bronchitis, and he had asthma. So there's a lot going on there.

   28. ASAndy Stumpf4:29

       He had the deck stacked against him, for sure.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:30

       He had the deck stacked against him. He's, he's immune-compromised for sure, b- because of coming off of the testicular cancer, and then on top of that with asthma and bronchitis, and then he gets a respiratory disease. Those are the people that really have to worry. And I really wish there was a, a clear way to s- to help them other than shutting down everything for a month.

   30. ASAndy Stumpf4:54

       I was talking to Evan Hafer this morning.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Their parents probably tell them what to do too much, the school tells them what to do too much-

   2. ASAndy Stumpf15:03

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      ... their job tells them what to do too much, and then they're out and they have a couple fucking Miller High Lifes and they're like, "Fuck!"

   4. ASAndy Stumpf15:08

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      "Fuck the COVID! I don't give a fuck!" By the way, have you seen the coronavirus song yet?

   6. ASAndy Stumpf15:14

      I s- ... You posted it. I saw it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      You need to see it.

   8. ASAndy Stumpf15:16

      I watched it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      You need to see it again.

   10. ASAndy Stumpf15:18

       I ... Well-

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:18

       You need to see it again. Jamie? Roll the ... L- let's-

   12. ASAndy Stumpf15:19

       We can't play that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       We can't play it?

   14. JVJamie Vernon15:21

       No, no.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:22

       No?

   16. JVJamie Vernon15:22

       That's da- ... That's d- ... Probably get taken down.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       Do you really think so?

   18. JVJamie Vernon15:25

       Definitely.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:26

       You need to respect other people's-

   20. JVJamie Vernon15:27

       You can't promote those guys.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       ... intellectual property.

   22. ASAndy Stumpf15:28

       Wouldn't that help?

   23. JVJamie Vernon15:28

       That's not how it works.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       Wouldn't help them?

   25. JVJamie Vernon15:29

       That's not how it works.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:30

       But I mean, is that on Spotify or even ... Do they have a label?

   27. JVJamie Vernon15:33

       They definitely could.

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       I think they're comics.

   29. JVJamie Vernon15:34

       They can go on and take the video down. I don't know. It's up to them.

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       We're trying to help you guys. Sorry. Go to my Instagram.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      live, uh, deep in the caves and then they, uh, they get, uh, spoiler alert-

   2. ASAndy Stumpf30:04

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      ... some people get fucked up by the sharks.

   4. ASAndy Stumpf30:05

      Here's an idea. Don't go cave diving. Let's just-

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      Yeah, man.

   6. ASAndy Stumpf30:08

      ... just stay out of the water.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      I'm not interested in cave diving.

   8. ASAndy Stumpf30:10

      Yeah. I'm not a fan of the water anymore at all.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      Anymore?

   10. ASAndy Stumpf30:13

       No.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:14

       Were you ever a fan?

   12. ASAndy Stumpf30:15

       I mean, I grew up in Santa Cruz. At-

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:17

       Were you a surfer?

   14. ASAndy Stumpf30:18

       D- doing junior lifeguards. I mean, I surfed, I wouldn't call myself a surfer. I could, like, stand up and fall over on a board.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       Right. It's like if you've gone fishing twice you're not a fisherman.

   16. ASAndy Stumpf30:25

       Yeah. No, but I grew up on the beach in my summers and did junior lifeguards and then you go get-... tortured with water and spent an immense amount of time in water, and they're like, "I'm completely good. I don't want to ever go in here voluntarily again."

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       Mm-hmm. Good call.

   18. ASAndy Stumpf30:39

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       Yeah. Water's weird. It's like I, I enjoy the fact that it's real. I like the fact that there's, like, there's an alternative world that's connected to us.

   20. ASAndy Stumpf30:47

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       I, I have snorkeled several times and I enjoyed it for brief periods of time, but I'm always very relieved when I get out of the water.

   22. ASAndy Stumpf30:52

       How deep was the water? Did ... I imagine you snorkeling-

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       Not that deep.

   24. ASAndy Stumpf30:55

       ... in, like, three to four feet of water.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       No, we were just, probably 12, 12, 15. Not that f- not that deep, though.

   26. ASAndy Stumpf31:01

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       I was with Dudley, and, uh, my family.

   28. ASAndy Stumpf31:03

       Oh, you guys were in Lanai, weren't you?

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       Yeah, yeah, we were in Lanai and we went snorkeling. It's fun. It's kinda cool. You see some turtles and shit, and some fish. There's not that many fish. That's what was kinda weird. You know, you, like, you would think, "Oh, there's a whole world down there." Um, it's hard- ... Yeah, but why would the fuck they be by the people? Why would these fish be hanging around where all these assholes are peeing and ...

   30. ASAndy Stumpf31:24

       I get it.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Oh. …

   1. ASAndy Stumpf45:00

      I signed the paperwork when I was a junior in high school. You st- I didn't ... You still gotta graduate and then, you know, continue on. But, uh ... And I was in like the third or fourth, uh, 47 that went in. So you finally get all your stuff on, you know, and you have a blower on your back. So there's ways that you can help the canister. If you just have the canister on your mask, it's a lot like breathing through a few straws shoved in your mouth. If you maintain a low enough heart rate and you're totally chill, you're fine. But as your heart rate goes up and your demand, you know, for oxygen goes up, you're really limited. So they have ... You know, you can put them on your back. It's a blower. It's a battery-powered blower that will basically push air into the mask and it gives you, I would say, more buffer space. It's like almost like a positive pressure. And if you're not doing much, it's actually really nice. It's just jamming air down your face. (inhales deeply) And it works well unless you put your weapon sling over the top of that tube, which is exactly what I did.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:49

      Oh.

   3. ASAndy Stumpf45:49

      Which was awesome. Oh, it was great. I had a-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:51

      Jesus Christ.

   5. ASAndy Stumpf45:52

      ... great first experience. I lost my NODs on my first target ever. I went back and got them, but it was a fucking shit show.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:56

      What's NODs?

   7. ASAndy Stumpf45:57

      Night vision goggles.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:58

      Oh, okay.

   9. ASAndy Stumpf45:59

      Things that you need to see at night and will get in trouble for if you lose. Like ... (laughs) F- it was terrible. So we come in, number one chem bio target in Iraq, and we had looked at it from the perspective of like air conditioning specialists in, you know, from architects to what we could encounter on the ground, potential threats, satellite imagery of historical stuff, and we get there and by the time I even got on the ground, there was already a firefight going on. The helicopter that I was in had 27 rounds come through the helicopter. Not a single person was hurt.

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:32

       Wow.

   11. ASAndy Stumpf46:32

       Like guys were like reaching up to like scratch their ass and like a round would come through and miss-miss everybody.

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:37

       Jesus Christ.

   13. ASAndy Stumpf46:38

       I take- Well, I take that back. Uh, the door gunner standing next to me got shot right in the head at about a minute out. That was my first exposure to combat. Just (clicks tongue) over and-

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:46

       Wow.

   15. ASAndy Stumpf46:46

       ... helicopter lands and you go, and by the time I got to the front door of that structure, I was probably as close (laughs) to being unconscious due to asphyxiation as I often am doing jujitsu, (laughs) getting choked out. Like the world is just coming down. And i- instantaneously we could tell that it was, is a agricultural school. Like the intelligence was so horribly and incredibly off when it came to that. So I just ripped my mask off at some point 'cause I would have rather died from whatever horrendous disease could have been in there than suffocate. And then, you know, we cleared through it and I knocked my night vision goggles off with a sledgehammer and I had to go back. It was a shit show. So we get back from that. The next morning we wake up and, uh, I remember having a cup of coffee with a buddy of mine. (laughs) I was like, "Hey man, I don't think we're gonna get out of this if things keep going like they did last night." And shortly after that, a few days after that, we got word that, uh, Jessica had been captured. So we forward staged and went up to, uh, Nasiriyah. And the information that we had going into the hospital is that it was a fedayeen hotbed, like 50 to 500 people was the expected, uh, amount of resistance that we could have, and we could fit 27 people in a helicopter. So that's what we launched with in the back of our head. And, uh, fortunately we didn't meet any resistance inside of the structure and it actually was kind of business as usual looking back. Like there was nothing exciting about that target, uh, whatsoever. People in the modern day, if they were to action that target now with the experience that they have, they, they, it wouldn't even register on the radar scope the amount, the little, or the little amount of resistance that was encountered outside of it, it just would be another day at the office. But it-

   16. JRJoe Rogan48:28

       Th- there was a public story of that-

   17. ASAndy Stumpf48:30

       Yep.

   18. JRJoe Rogan48:30

       ... and then there was a lot of dispute about whether or not th- that, that was accurate. There was a, a s- like I remember she actually took some heat.

   19. ASAndy Stumpf48:37

       She cleared up a lot of it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan48:38

       Yeah.

   21. ASAndy Stumpf48:39

       She ... Well, she was not responsible for a lot of the things that were said.

   22. JRJoe Rogan48:42

       Right.

   23. ASAndy Stumpf48:42

       Because she was deep into the repatriation process, into ... I mean, her ... She's fucked up to this day. When I met, sat down, I finally got to sit across the table. She had never sat down and talked to somebody who was there. It was so-

   24. JRJoe Rogan48:53

       When did you meet her?

   25. ASAndy Stumpf48:54

       I went had her on-

   26. JRJoe Rogan48:54

       You had her on your podcast?

   27. ASAndy Stumpf48:56

       I had her on my podcast. When?

   28. JRJoe Rogan48:57

       When?

   29. ASAndy Stumpf48:57

       Uh, it was one of the earlier episodes. I went-

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:59

       Oh, shit. I didn't listen to that one.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:07:41

   Yeah. Well, I think…

   1. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Yeah. Well, I think that's a good call. (sighs) The whole, the famous guy playing someone else-

   3. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:08

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

      ... thing has got to be so fucking strange if you're that person, if you have an ex- Like Jessica Lynch, like if they did the Jessica Lynch story and Scarlett Johansson played Jessica Lynch, like what? She'd probably be like, "What in the fuck is going on?" That's the b-

   5. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:23

      That'd be a mindfuck for sure.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

      Yeah.

   7. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:25

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

      "Well, that's Scarlett Johansson. That's not me. What, bitch, I never said that."

   9. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:30

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

       (laughs)

   11. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:32

       That is not how it went down.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

       "What the fuck did they do to my story?"

   13. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:37

       Authenticity versus entertainment.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

       Yeah, I mean, that's just how it goes in every movie.

   15. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:41

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       It's just ... Um, Foxcatcher is a perfect example of that. I've used that example many, many times. Just the-

   17. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:46

       What's that one about?

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       ... Mark and David Schultz documentary or film. It's with, uh, Steve Carell and, um ... Who plays, uh, that handsome fella?

   19. JVJamie Vernon1:00:58

       Channing Tatum.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       Channing Tatum, another one of them super handsome fellows.

   21. ASAndy Stumpf1:01:01

       He is a handsome man.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       Plays Mark Schultz, who was, you know, one of the greatest wrestlers America ever produced. And, uh, his brother Dave Schultz, another equally impressive wrestler, is just s- top of the food chain world champion wrestlers. And the, the movie just distorted everything, just twisted up everything about their career and, and-

   23. ASAndy Stumpf1:01:18

       Did they even need to?

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

       No. Here's the, the one example that I always use and I'm sorry if you've heard this before, but the fucking end of the film, Mark Schultz, in the movie, has a UFC fight-And in the real world, he had a UFC fight against Big Daddy Goodrich. Big Daddy Goodrich is a pioneer of MMA, a famous fighter in the world of fighting. I mean, he's, he's a legend, right? And Mark Schultz mounted him and beat his ass. I mean, he's just a top of the food chain, Olympic gold medalist wrestler, just took him down at will, just what you would expect.

   25. ASAndy Stumpf1:01:52

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:53

       And never, uh, fought again because he had a wrestling contract. Uh, he was coaching, I believe, at Brigham Young. They didn't want him to do ... And this is back in the early days of UFC too. It was bare knuckle the whole deal. But in the movie, he fights a Russian guy. Like, why, why do you have him fight a Russian guy when he fought Big Daddy Goodrich? I mean, it's ... Gary Goodrich is a famous fighter.

   27. ASAndy Stumpf1:02:15

       Yeah, who makes that call?

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:16

       Some fucking asshole.

   29. ASAndy Stumpf1:02:18

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:19

       Because in the world ... You know, I'm watching it and I'm like, "That's not who he fought. Why did you change it?" Why did you change it when you could should, could have just had a guy play Big Daddy Goodrich?

Episode duration: 2:53:17