Joe Rogan Experience #1457 - Tim Dillon

Joe Rogan 0:00 (taps finger) Three, two, one. Later today, (taps finger) young Tim Dillon will find out whether or not he has the antibodies.

Tim Dillon 0:07 Yes. Yes. And if I do, I'm going to Wuhan to do a, like, a fun little video in a wet market-

Joe Rogan 0:13 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 0:15 ... and eat a bat. If I have the antibodies, it's not-

Joe Rogan 0:18 I don't-

Tim Dillon 0:18 It's okay. Is it safe?

Joe Rogan 0:20 I don't know what this is.

Tim Dillon 0:21 Yeah, no one knows. We've never been in a time-

Joe Rogan 0:23 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 0:23 ... where literally nobody knows.

Joe Rogan 0:25 I have a string of text messages from, uh, Alex Jones-

Tim Dillon 0:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:28 ... like, uh, that will, uh, change your opinion if you, if you smoke enough weed. And you don't smoke weed. Were you ever a weed smoker?

Tim Dillon 0:34 I smoked a lot of weed for a very long time.

Joe Rogan 0:37 But were you-

Tim Dillon 0:37 That's when I discovered Alex Jones-

Joe Rogan 0:38 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 0:39 ... when I was 13 when I was smoking weed listening to him on the GCN network.

Joe Rogan 0:43 But when you got clean, it wasn't weed that was a problem, right? It was-

Tim Dillon 0:45 No, it was the cocaine and the-

Joe Rogan 0:46 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 0:47 ... the booze and the pills, but weed was always there.

Joe Rogan 0:50 I've never been a cocaine user.

Tim Dillon 0:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:51 I've never used it, but I do love that Buckcherry song.

Tim Dillon 0:54 Oh, yeah, it's great.

Joe Rogan 0:55 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 0:55 It's great.

Joe Rogan 0:56 It almost makes you wanna-

Tim Dillon 0:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:57 ... do cocaine.

Tim Dillon 0:57 Y- y- it's a great drug. I mean, don't do it if you're-

Joe Rogan 1:00 No.

Tim Dillon 1:00 ... having problems, but-

Joe Rogan 1:01 But Alex left ... I, I haven't even gotten to them 'cause I got ... the, the, there's a real pr- I changed my phone number not that long ago.

Tim Dillon 1:09 Yeah. Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09 And I change it every few months now.

Tim Dillon 1:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10 And it doesn't matter.

Tim Dillon 1:11 Do you get random texts from just anybody?

Joe Rogan 1:13 Oh, yeah, random.

Tim Dillon 1:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14 Yeah, but this, this is, these are all, all of these are voicemail messages. And look at all these videos he sent me to watch and all these websites. He's convinced-

Tim Dillon 1:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24 ... that it's a weaponized, uh, virus that leaked from a lab.

Tim Dillon 1:29 Well, there's a lot of people that are saying that in Wuhan, obviously, they have that lab, right?

Joe Rogan 1:34 Yes.

Tim Dillon 1:34 Whether it's a bio defense or bio research laboratory.

Joe Rogan 1:37 There's something there.

Tim Dillon 1:38 Something's there.

Joe Rogan 1:39 Something in Wuhan where the disease i- originated.

Tim Dillon 1:41 Somebody said, now this is kind of convincing, that maybe there were people se- backdoor selling the animals that they were experimenting on to wet markets. Like, if you're broke-

Joe Rogan 1:54 Oh, Jesus.

Tim Dillon 1:54 ... and you were a guard at the Wuhan lab, you're like, "Hey, I'm just selling bats and dogs for extra money." And he sold maybe one of the wrong ones and now we have this issue.

Joe Rogan 2:04 Really? Where'd you hear that?

Tim Dillon 2:06 I mean, that's on the internet, Joe.

Joe Rogan 2:07 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 2:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:08 Oh.

Tim Dillon 2:08 I mean, it's-

Joe Rogan 2:08 Well, as long as it's on the internet.

Tim Dillon 2:09 I mean, it's there, but, I mean, ev- but now every theory has as much weight as any other theory.

Joe Rogan 2:15 Right now.

Tim Dillon 2:16 Right now.

Joe Rogan 2:16 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 2:17 Because everything's-

Joe Rogan 2:17 Well, there's some legit scientists that are actually ... Like, one of the things they found out is that the origins of the virus in New York City, i- it comes directly from Europe. Apparently, they can tell that.

Tim Dillon 2:29 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 2:30 Somehow.

Tim Dillon 2:31 Yeah, I have no idea.

Jamie Vernon 2:32 Find out, Jamie. Find out how they can tell.

Tim Dillon 2:33 Do they trace it back to, like, patient zero with, like, the first person?

Joe Rogan 2:37 No.

Tim Dillon 2:37 Oh, they don't do that? Okay.

Joe Rogan 2:38 I don't think so. I don't think so.

Jamie Vernon 2:39 Uh, they do some sort of tracing, right? 'Cause that's the new-

Joe Rogan 2:42 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 2:43 ... hot topic of Google and-

Joe Rogan 2:44 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 2:45 ... Apple working together to get tracing software.

Joe Rogan 2:47 See, that's, that's what scares me. We, we talked about that the other day. If you have to have everything on your phone, like-

Tim Dillon 2:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:52 ... showing that you're positive-

Tim Dillon 2:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:53 ... and be ... You know, you have to have a phone everywhere.

Tim Dillon 2:55 You'll have a car. You have to take out your car that you're positive to get into Applebee's.

Joe Rogan 2:58 Yeah. Adam Curry-

Tim Dillon 2:59 You have antibodies.

Joe Rogan 3:00 ... sent me this, this whole thing saying this is why I have a flip phone.

Tim Dillon 3:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:05 Adam, you know Adam Curry?

Tim Dillon 3:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:06 The, the original Podfather.

Tim Dillon 3:07 And he's saying that he won't-

Joe Rogan 3:08 He won't do it. Yeah, "Most coronavirus cases in New York City can be traced back to Europe, not Asia, research shows." What does the research show? What does it say?

Tim Dillon 3:16 I mean-

Joe Rogan 3:16 "Research tracking the spread of coronavirus determined that the virus has been circulating in New York City for a couple months, since before the testing began. Genetic sequencing of virus samples indicates that most of the early cases in New York originated in Europe, not Asia, so it's some sort of genetic sequencing. Research teams studied samples of the virus taken from 91 New York patients." Uh, "As viruses evolve during transmission from person to person, their sequences can help research..." This is what scares the fuck out of me, just that statement, "As viruses evolve-

Tim Dillon 3:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:43 ... during transmission." These fucking things, they morph and twist.

Tim Dillon 3:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:47 It seems like it's almost like a different thing with different people. Like, I was reading about George Stephanopoulos and his-

Tim Dillon 3:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:53 ... his wife. He has it, his wife has it. His wife is deathly ill. He doesn't feel a goddamn thing.

Tim Dillon 3:59 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 4:00 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 4:01 Well, they're, they're also ... The media's not helping.

Joe Rogan 4:03 No.

Tim Dillon 4:03 Because the- there's a lot of ... They're circulating these, uh, stories that aren't necessarily the truth or they're not ... Like, the media will be like, "Coronavirus lives 13 feet away from you." And then you read the article, and buried in the article, the- they go, "Well, doctors don't really know if these particles are infectious." Or ... So it's like, why do you have an article where the boldface headline is, "Coronavirus 13 Feet Away, 19 Feet Away," and then in the article you go, "Well, you haven't even determined if you can get-"

Joe Rogan 4:33 It's very irresponsible.

Tim Dillon 4:34 "... sick." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:34 But that's what they do today.

Tim Dillon 4:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:36 The n- news is strange today-

Tim Dillon 4:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:38 ... because they're just trying to sell papers or-

Tim Dillon 4:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:41 ... not papers, you know, they're-

Tim Dillon 4:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:42 ... trying to sell clicks.

Tim Dillon 4:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:43 They, they want people to pay attention to their articles, so everything's clickbait.

Tim Dillon 4:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:47 It's fucking real weird, man. It's-

Tim Dillon 4:48 And then the other half of that is nobody, the guys who don't believe anything, whether they're on Twitter ... A nurse will put something on Twitter. She's like, "You know, uh, you know, it's been a rough day." And she's crying. And then the first tweet, a guy's like, "Liar." It's like, oh my God.

Joe Rogan 5:00 Oh my God.

Tim Dillon 5:00 There are people that are like, "You're a liar. I know what's going on." I'm like-

Joe Rogan 5:03 "You're a conflict actor."

Tim Dillon 5:04 Yeah, "You're a crisis actor."

Joe Rogan 5:06 Oh, crisis actor.

Tim Dillon 5:07 "Show me the wards." Like, there's people being de- demanded-

Joe Rogan 5:09 Oh my God.

Tim Dillon 5:09 ... to get into ERs, you know. They're like, "Show me the ER."

Joe Rogan 5:12 Well, then there's-

Tim Dillon 5:13 "It's like, God."

Joe Rogan 5:14 Then there's TikTok nurses. See-

Tim Dillon 5:16 Yeah, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan 5:17 ... here's the deal. Well, here's the deal. There are some places where the hospitals are overwhelmed and there's some places where the hospitals are empty. You know why?

Tim Dillon 5:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:25 Because the world big.

Tim Dillon 5:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:27 Okay? It's just like grizzly bears.

Tim Dillon 5:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:29 You know, if you're like, "Well, grizzly bears are almost extinct." Go to fucking Wyoming and get eaten.

Tim Dillon 5:34 Right.

Jamie Vernon 5:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:35 Okay? If you're in Wyoming and you're camping, you might get eaten.

Tim Dillon 5:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:38 They're there.

Tim Dillon 5:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:39 There's a lot of them in Montana.

Tim Dillon 5:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:42 They're, they're there.

Tim Dillon 5:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:43 But they're not in New York City.

Tim Dillon 5:44 But even in a hospital that's not busy, some nurse has got to go, "Let's not do the TikTok dance today."

Joe Rogan 5:51 I don't know-

Tim Dillon 5:52 Some nurse has got to go, "Hey, guys. Let's not do the TikTok dance today."

Joe Rogan 5:57 Bullshit. Cut them a break.

Tim Dillon 5:58 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 5:59 They should be able to do whatever the fuck they want.

Tim Dillon 6:00 I don't know, man.

Joe Rogan 6:01 Even if- even if you're in an empty hospital and you're a nurse-

Tim Dillon 6:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:03 ... you might deal with a COVID-19 patient. You might get it. You might die.

Tim Dillon 6:06 That's tough. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:07 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 6:07 It's very bad.

Joe Rogan 6:08 I say let them dance.

Tim Dillon 6:10 Okay. All right, I don't know, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 6:12 They're having- they're having those balloons to puff their asses out and shit up.

Tim Dillon 6:13 Well, this is what I mean.

Joe Rogan 6:15 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 6:15 I mean, this is what I mean.

Joe Rogan 6:16 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 6:17 There's probably COVID patients dying while they're doing that, you know?

Joe Rogan 6:20 Hmm, maybe not, though.

Tim Dillon 6:21 I don't know. Who knows?

Joe Rogan 6:22 Maybe not. That's possible, too. I don't know why they're dying.

Tim Dillon 6:23 I don't know what to believe. I'm- I'm- I'm- I don't know. One day I wake up, I go, "This virus is fake."

Joe Rogan 6:28 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 6:28 The next... (laughs) The next day I wake up, I go, "I'm gonna die today." So I don't know what to believe.

Joe Rogan 6:35 You know when it gets me?

Tim Dillon 6:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:36 The middle of the night.

Tim Dillon 6:38 In the middle of the night?

Joe Rogan 6:39 Middle of the night 'cause (sighs) I'm a moron, and, uh, I like to drink a lot of water before I go to bed.

Tim Dillon 6:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:44 I'm like an asshole.

Tim Dillon 6:44 Okay.

Joe Rogan 6:45 So, uh, I'll wake up at, like, 3:00 in the morning with... I- I'd conv- convince myself I don't have to pee. I'm like-

Tim Dillon 6:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:49 ... "Please, just stay in bed."

Tim Dillon 6:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:51 And then I get up and piss like a racehorse.

Tim Dillon 6:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:53 And while I'm peeing, then I start thinking, like, "What if it changes? What if it gets worse?"

Tim Dillon 6:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:57 "What if it becomes like the H1N1 flu? What if it, you know, it- it becomes as deadly as one of these horrific flus, but transmits the same way that this one?" What if- what if it bec-... You know, I started running all these scenarios in my head.

Tim Dillon 7:09 Well, it's interesting. It's like, I also think about... And I'm not saying the virus is- is not orga-... I mean, I don't know, you know? I mean, people say it could be manmade. But look at the world before this happened, right? You had the yellow vest protests in France.

Joe Rogan 7:22 Right.

Tim Dillon 7:23 You had the Hong Kong protest. You had a lot of populist movements, a lot of uprisings in first-world countries like France. You saw things happening that you didn't see before. And after the virus, you know, a- after this has gotten bad, now that's impossible. I mean, you can't-

Joe Rogan 7:41 I think it's-

Tim Dillon 7:41 ... protest, you can't do anything now. You can't leave your house.

Joe Rogan 7:44 Yes.

Tim Dillon 7:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:44 But I think it's way more likely that what we're dealing with is just a virus-

Tim Dillon 7:50 Sure.

Joe Rogan 7:50 ... and that this-

Tim Dillon 7:51 Sure.

Joe Rogan 7:51 ... is the consequences of the virus is that things are getting locked down.

Tim Dillon 7:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:54 Wh- wh- what's really bothering me is, uh, this idea that once you get control of people, that they're not gonna let go, that if- if they start taking away civil liberties, if they started mov- moving you through checkpoints when you want to travel-

Tim Dillon 8:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:11 ... and you have to... and you're on your car, you have to wait and they have to, you know, scan you or check your temperature, like, (sharp inhale) that stuff... I mean, are they gonna let that go once a- a vaccine gets through?

Tim Dillon 8:21 No. I mean, it's like 9/11. N- uh, uh, all of that is still left in place, right? All the- the- all the powers-

Joe Rogan 8:26 The Patriot Act.

Tim Dillon 8:27 Yeah, all the powers that the federal government gave themselves after 9/11 have only been expanded in the years since. Obama only expanded Bush-era-

Joe Rogan 8:37 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 8:37 ... you know, executive power, and he's been able to do... And now everybody's, like, concerned now, but it's like, the time to be concerned was probably a long time ago.

Joe Rogan 8:44 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 8:45 You know? Because now these things have become so big and so Orwellian, like, I mean, you know. But yeah, this is gonna be a problem. Do you... I think it'll be possible that you won't be able to get into maybe a sporting event or a concert without walking through, like, some type of infrared sensor that detects if you have a fever.

Joe Rogan 9:00 Yeah, for sure.

Tim Dillon 9:01 You know?

Joe Rogan 9:01 They're gonna... Well, they're doing it in China. In China-

Tim Dillon 9:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:04 ... they're- they're testing your temperature.

Tim Dillon 9:05 The fever gun.

Joe Rogan 9:05 Yeah, they have a little gun and te- test your forehead.

Tim Dillon 9:07 And if you have a temperature, they put you, uh, in a- in a- they cremate you.

Joe Rogan 9:11 I'm good. I'm good.

Tim Dillon 9:11 They cremate you-

Joe Rogan 9:12 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 9:12 ... and put you in an urn.

Joe Rogan 9:13 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 9:13 So it's a good way to get the virus when it's young.

Joe Rogan 9:16 Did you see the protests that they did have, where the people were, uh, protesting 'cause they're building a crematorium near them?

Tim Dillon 9:22 No.

Joe Rogan 9:22 Oh, here. I'll send it to Jamie.

Tim Dillon 9:23 That's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 9:24 Yeah, it's- it's dark.

Tim Dillon 9:25 I mean, it's dark.

Joe Rogan 9:26 It's dark.

Tim Dillon 9:26 So they don't want a crematorium near them.

Joe Rogan 9:28 Well, it's not that. They- they're protesting for a bunch of reasons, but the real concern is that they're killing people that have the disease.

Tim Dillon 9:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:36 Their real concern is that they're lying about the number of people who died from the disease.

Tim Dillon 9:39 They're definitely lying.

Joe Rogan 9:40 Like, "Oh, yeah." "3000 people died from the disease." 200,000 had it-

Tim Dillon 9:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:44 ... but we killed them.

Tim Dillon 9:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:45 (laughs) They're done.

Tim Dillon 9:46 Right. 10 million had it-

Joe Rogan 9:47 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 9:47 ... but they're- they're in an urn.

Joe Rogan 9:49 I got it. You got it? Yeah. I got it.

Tim Dillon 9:50 Well, this-

Joe Rogan 9:51 Okay. Here it goes.

Tim Dillon 9:51 The 21 million cell phone thing was spooky.

Joe Rogan 9:53 "Locals protest against cremation of dark..." No, that's not it. No, no, there's a- a crematorium. Here, I'll- I'll send it to you. Okay. Give me... Just give me a second. Doo, doo, doo, doo. Oh, I see. Okay.

Tim Dillon 10:03 China's efficient, though. Here's the thing with China. They're an efficient country, and they're not emotional.

Joe Rogan 10:08 No.

Tim Dillon 10:09 And they get things done.

Joe Rogan 10:10 Efficient's a weird way of putting it.

Tim Dillon 10:11 Well, it's... I'm putting a positive spin on it.

Joe Rogan 10:14 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 10:14 But I'm sure that... You know, listen, there are negatives to that level of efficiency.

Joe Rogan 10:19 Here, Jamie. I'm sending it to you right now. Okay.

Tim Dillon 10:22 "Protests break out in China-"

Joe Rogan 10:23 Sent. "... last month over crematorium plans in Maoming." "Yeah, Chinese riot police fire tear gas and beat up protestors at Guangdong Province."

Tim Dillon 10:35 (sighs) Have you ever been there? Have you ever did shows there or anything like that?

Joe Rogan 10:38 No, but I have gone through the airport in Taiwan, which, uh-

Tim Dillon 10:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:43 ... they won't... they won't admit is, it's like Taiwan is not a part of China according to them.

Tim Dillon 10:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:48 But China thinks Taiwan doesn't exist, and so the World Health Organization... Did you see that whole thing-

Tim Dillon 10:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:54 ... where the guy wouldn't admit that Taiwan was a place?

Tim Dillon 10:57 Right. (coughs)

Joe Rogan 10:57 They were asking him about Taiwan. He's like, "I think China's done a wonderful job." She's like-

Tim Dillon 11:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:01 ... "What about Taiwan?" And he's like, click, hung up.

Tim Dillon 11:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:04 Came back.

Tim Dillon 11:04 Correct.

Joe Rogan 11:04 She says, "Well, we'd lost you right before we were talking about Taiwan." She's like, "Yes, well, let's move on. I think China's done a wonderful job." Like... (laughs)

Tim Dillon 11:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:12 Like, they're in the pocket of Taiw-

Tim Dillon 11:13 So, literally, it's a real country.

Joe Rogan 11:15 Yes.

Tim Dillon 11:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:15 They're in the pocket of China, for sure.

Tim Dillon 11:17 Of course. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:17 But, uh, when we were there, what's shocking is they're accustomed to, uh, violating people's space.

Tim Dillon 11:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:24 They just bump into you. I mean, they bump into you, like-

Tim Dillon 11:26 The people?

Joe Rogan 11:27 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 11:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:27 They walk right through you.

Tim Dillon 11:28 Well, there's so many of them, right? Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:29 They're used to just walking right through you. But I saw this old lady walk right through my 10-year-old, just walk right through her-

Tim Dillon 11:35 Really?

Joe Rogan 11:35 ... on a- on a plane. Just, boom.

Tim Dillon 11:36 Wow.

Joe Rogan 11:37 Knocked her out the door. My daughter's like, "What the fuck?" (laughs)

Tim Dillon 11:39 Yeah. (laughs) She just got fucked up by an elderly Chinese woman.

Joe Rogan 11:43 And I... It was this weird thing. It's like, okay, if this was... If we were in Alabama, I would fucking crack this lady.

Tim Dillon 11:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:49 But here we are in China-

Tim Dillon 11:50 It's their culture.

Joe Rogan 11:51 Yeah, I'm like, "All right."

Tim Dillon 11:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:52 "Okay."

Tim Dillon 11:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:53 All right.

Tim Dillon 11:53 You just gotta let it go.

Joe Rogan 11:54 That's just how it goes.

Tim Dillon 11:55 Just gotta let it go.

Joe Rogan 11:55 That's not being... That's not being rude. This is, like, a part of what they do.

Tim Dillon 11:58 This is what they do.

Joe Rogan 11:59 They just walk right over people.

Tim Dillon 12:00 Yeah, there's a lot of people. That's why China's like, "We can stand to lose a few."

Joe Rogan 12:04 Yeah, they definitely-

Tim Dillon 12:05 You know?

Joe Rogan 12:05 Well, they definitely have a lower value of people.

Tim Dillon 12:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:08 If you have... I mean, that's just...

Tim Dillon 12:10 ... makes sense. If there's a billion people, you care about them less than-

Joe Rogan 12:15 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 12:15 ... I don't know how much, we don't care-

Joe Rogan 12:16 We care about numbers. Yeah. We don't care about people here that much, though.

Tim Dillon 12:19 Here?

Joe Rogan 12:19 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 12:19 You don't think so?

Joe Rogan 12:20 No. I mean, not that much.

Tim Dillon 12:21 Well, if we didn't care about people, we wouldn't be doing what we're doing.

Joe Rogan 12:24 I know that we, we do care about people, but we also have, you know, a lot of people going out exposed, working in, you know, supermarkets, places like that, and we're not doing anything for them. You know?

Tim Dillon 12:36 Well, they're wearing masks.

Joe Rogan 12:37 So, it's like w- well-

Tim Dillon 12:37 What are we doing for them?

Joe Rogan 12:38 Some of them, some of them don't have masks. I mean, I think that like-

Tim Dillon 12:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:40 ... those people should get paid, you know, holiday pay or extra pay.

Tim Dillon 12:44 Hazard pay.

Joe Rogan 12:44 You know, they should be given the, the correct ... the right equipment. They should probably get some l- you know, they should probably give them some low interest rate loans. You know? Something-

Tim Dillon 12:53 I think this is just a function of the fact that the supermarkets weren't prepared for a pandemic.

Joe Rogan 12:56 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 12:57 I don't think it's they don't care. But they're also ... I, I think if you just look at the fact that we shut everything down, well, why did we shut everything down? We shut everything down to protect old people. This is, this is the whole idea behind this.

Joe Rogan 13:08 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 13:08 Old people and vulnerable people.

Joe Rogan 13:10 Right.

Tim Dillon 13:10 And yeah, I know some young people die, but it's a very low percentage.

Joe Rogan 13:13 Yes. It's m- mainly old people.

Tim Dillon 13:14 It's ma- mainly old people and they, they did a thing on California, how many people died. We have a very low number of people that have died.

Joe Rogan 13:20 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 13:21 I think it was something like 30 people died yesterday.

Joe Rogan 13:23 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 13:23 And that was the high.

Joe Rogan 13:24 Yeah. That's not, that's not bad.

Tim Dillon 13:26 No. It's not.

Joe Rogan 13:27 It's far less than-

Tim Dillon 13:27 And most of them were 80-

Joe Rogan 13:28 ... people who would have died had we let everyone out of their houses.

Tim Dillon 13:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:32 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 13:32 Most of them were like 65 to 80 and a few of them, like a couple, were 40 to 60.

Joe Rogan 13:38 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 13:39 So-

Joe Rogan 13:39 Which that starts to get young.

Tim Dillon 13:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:40 That gets weird.

Tim Dillon 13:41 Gets weird.

Joe Rogan 13:42 But you gotta go ... you gotta go, okay-

Tim Dillon 13:44 High risk category. What happened? Were you on some other medication that-

Joe Rogan 13:49 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 13:49 ... made you vulnerable?

Joe Rogan 13:50 Right.

Tim Dillon 13:50 Were you ill already?

Joe Rogan 13:51 Right.

Tim Dillon 13:52 Were y- y- d- did you have some sort of a lung disorder?

Joe Rogan 13:54 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 13:54 Were you a smoker?

Joe Rogan 13:55 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 13:55 A lot of smokers are getting it hard, man.

Joe Rogan 13:57 Yeah. I have not ... I mean, I don't smoke every day, but I'll have a cigarette occasionally, like outside A Comedy Store and now, I don't do that at all because I don't wanna be, you know, drowning. You know?

Tim Dillon 14:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:07 They say you feel like you're drowning when you have this. You feel like you're, you, you can't get a breath 'cause you're-

Tim Dillon 14:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:11 ... you're drown- ... I mean, I don't want ... No cigarette is worth that.

Tim Dillon 14:14 Well, that's also how-

Joe Rogan 14:14 I will tell you-

Tim Dillon 14:15 ... you die of cigarettes, Joe.

Joe Rogan 14:16 If I ... Well, that's a good point, but years from now. But if I do have the antibody test, if I have antibodies, I will just smoke an entire pack of Marlboro Lights-

Tim Dillon 14:25 Will you?

Joe Rogan 14:25 ... tonight.

Tim Dillon 14:26 But I wouldn't.

Joe Rogan 14:26 Well, listen.

Tim Dillon 14:27 See, this is what we were talking about earlier. I know.

Joe Rogan 14:28 I don't believe that they know whether or not you can catch this thing twice.

Tim Dillon 14:31 I know. That's true. So, but mostly-

Joe Rogan 14:34 You know, in China-

Tim Dillon 14:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:34 ... people have tested twice.

Tim Dillon 14:36 Well, that could've been a false positive on either end.

Joe Rogan 14:38 Or it could be that you get it again.

Tim Dillon 14:40 It's true.

Joe Rogan 14:41 Yeah. I don't think they know yet.

Tim Dillon 14:42 That's true.

Joe Rogan 14:43 Look, if this really is some sort of a manmade concocted virus (sighs) , maybe that makes sense. Maybe that makes sense that that's why it's acting so weird. It's different in different people.

Tim Dillon 14:54 They don't understand it.

Joe Rogan 14:56 I mean, or maybe it's just a really particular, peculiar virus.

Tim Dillon 15:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:00 You know? And that's why it can come back.

Tim Dillon 15:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:03 They don't know.

Tim Dillon 15:04 They don't know.

Joe Rogan 15:04 But they do know that ... This, I mean, this is a big NPR article. People are testing positive again who had been confirmed as negative in Wuhan.

Tim Dillon 15:11 I think it c- yeah. In China and then Korea, they had a few of those cases. Um, I trust-

Joe Rogan 15:16 I mean, the Korean one's way more than the Chinese ones.

Tim Dillon 15:18 South Korea, yeah. The South Korea said 14% or something amount of people seem to have tested positive again. Which, I mean, which is scary 'cause that could be another strain.

Joe Rogan 15:27 Or it could be like herpes. It stays in your system-

Tim Dillon 15:29 It ju-

Joe Rogan 15:29 ... and pops out again. Like when your immune system is down.

Tim Dillon 15:31 Or if we've all had it in five years, we're all gonna die.

Joe Rogan 15:34 You know, my buddy, Justin Wren, he runs this, um, uh, he has this n- nonprofit charity organization, Fight For The Forgotten. They build wells for the pygmies in the Congo.

Tim Dillon 15:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:43 And he got malaria when he was in the Congo and he got it again. He's got it three times. But he got it one time when he got sick when he's home. He got sick at home and the malaria-

Tim Dillon 15:54 With malaria?

Joe Rogan 15:54 ... came back.

Tim Dillon 15:55 Oh.

Joe Rogan 15:55 It came back.

Tim Dillon 15:56 Wow.

Joe Rogan 15:57 Yeah. So it's-

Tim Dillon 15:58 That's fucked.

Joe Rogan 15:59 That's fucked.

Tim Dillon 15:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:00 So it's like it was somehow or another dormant in his system and then when his immune system is shattered by whatever cold or flu he got-

Tim Dillon 16:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:07 ... the malaria kicked back in again.

Tim Dillon 16:09 Is he take ... Did he take, take that hydroxychloroquine?

Joe Rogan 16:11 I don't know what he took.

Tim Dillon 16:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:12 He's taken a bunch of different shit and he actually got really sick. What was that stuff that he said he got sick from, Jamie? He, it's, uh, there's actually ... He, he actually had toxic doses of this one malaria medication you're ... They've had issues with soldiers and people that are deployed in malaria infested areas.

Tim Dillon 16:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:29 Where they take this stuff and they get this toxic reaction to this stuff and he had taken much more than they were taking. He had taken a very large dose and he didn't know that it was like really toxic until-

Tim Dillon 16:39 Well yeah, that drug-

Joe Rogan 16:40 ... too late.

Tim Dillon 16:40 ... the drug, uh, hydroxychloroquine is working. People say that it is. I've talked to doctors that say it is absolutely helping people.

Joe Rogan 16:47 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 16:47 But it's a very serious drug.

Joe Rogan 16:48 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 16:49 So you have to be careful with it. But they say it's like the Lazarus effect. People are getting up and walking out of hospitals. You know?

Joe Rogan 16:54 Mm.

Tim Dillon 16:54 Like it is doing that. The azithromycin.

Joe Rogan 16:56 That's nice to think.

Tim Dillon 16:58 It's good to think. I mean, so Whitney has some of it at her house.

Joe Rogan 17:00 Does she? Of course she does.

Tim Dillon 17:02 Yeah, yeah. She's got it all.

Joe Rogan 17:02 It's stockpiled.

Tim Dillon 17:03 She's got a ventilator. She's killing it.

Joe Rogan 17:05 (laughs) She has a ventilator?

Tim Dillon 17:06 She's got two ventilators. No, I'm kidding. I'm joking.

Joe Rogan 17:08 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 17:09 (laughs) I don't wanna get her in trouble.

Joe Rogan 17:10 (sighs)

Tim Dillon 17:10 No, she's got, she's got the hydroxy, she's got azithromycin. I mean, she's ready.

Joe Rogan 17:14 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 17:14 She's ready to go. But that's the thing, you know, if you've done well and you're successful, you can go out and get all the things.

Joe Rogan 17:20 (smacks lips) Yeah.

Tim Dillon 17:21 You know? That's partially, you know, it's ... Like guys like me are in trouble, but you know, guys like yourself, you could get a ventilator.

Joe Rogan 17:27 I'll hook you up.

Tim Dillon 17:28 You could have a ven-

Joe Rogan 17:29 Got a ventilator. I'll take care of you.

Tim Dillon 17:29 You could have a ventilator immediately almost, if you wanted a ventilator.

Joe Rogan 17:33 Mm.

Tim Dillon 17:33 That's great.

Joe Rogan 17:35 I'm, I'm much more concerned with strengthening my immune system.

Tim Dillon 17:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:38 You know? That's what I'm doing.

Tim Dillon 17:39 Do you think we take too many over-the-counter medications and that kills our immune system?

Joe Rogan 17:43 Well, for some people they definitely do.

Tim Dillon 17:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:45 Some people take a lot of antibiotics.

Tim Dillon 17:47 Because my mother growing up-

Joe Rogan 17:49 Any time anything's wrong-

Tim Dillon 17:49 ... would take Sudafed. She'd take all that stuff.

Joe Rogan 17:51 That stuff's terrible for you.

Tim Dillon 17:52 It's bad for you. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:53 Well, the ... One of the things is ibuprofen. Michael Yeo told me that his ... One of his buddies who's a doctor, when he was feeling really shitty before they diagnosed him with COVID-19, his doctor said, or this doctor who's a friend of his said, "Take," uh, I believe he said, "Take..."... three Advil or three, uh, three to five, I forget what the number was, every ... What, what is it? How many, uh, mill- milligrams are they?

Tim Dillon 18:19 I don't-

Joe Rogan 18:19 100 milligrams?

Tim Dillon 18:20 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 18:20 I think he, so he told them, "Take three every five hours," and he said E immediately got much worse. And I've heard this from many people. Now, I don't know if there's a connection, and I've read that there isn't a connection. But according to Michael Yeo, that was when it was a tipping point for him, when he started taking ibuprofen.

Tim Dillon 18:37 Wow.

Joe Rogan 18:37 These non-steroidal anti-inflammatories. That stuff is terrible for you.

Tim Dillon 18:41 France said not to take it.

Joe Rogan 18:42 Yes.

Tim Dillon 18:42 France said take acetaminophen, take the other-

Joe Rogan 18:45 Veterans say, report on anti-malarial ... That's right, mefloquine.

Tim Dillon 18:51 Okay.

Joe Rogan 18:51 Downplays side effects. See, this is the, uh, that's the stuff that, that Justin took. Yeah, and he took a huge dose of it, and he got really fucked up from that stuff too. So, um, that's, that's what disturbs me, is that things could, could, could be a, a virus that stays somehow or another in your body.

Tim Dillon 19:12 (smacks lips) Yeah, that's creepy.

Joe Rogan 19:13 Herpes is a virus, right?

Tim Dillon 19:15 I think so.

Joe Rogan 19:16 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 19:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:16 How do you keep that shit for life?

Tim Dillon 19:17 You keep it forever. HIV you keep-

Joe Rogan 19:19 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 19:19 ... forever, so these are ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:21 Yeah. Well, HIV at least your body tests negative.

Tim Dillon 19:23 Are they only testing for the antibodies when we take this test?

Joe Rogan 19:28 Yes.

Tim Dillon 19:28 Okay.

Joe Rogan 19:29 Well, they can do the test test, if you'd like the test test. They do a swab.

Tim Dillon 19:31 Well, no, I don't want ... They ... No, that's ...

Joe Rogan 19:33 Don't be scared.

Tim Dillon 19:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:34 Come on, bro. You-

Tim Dillon 19:35 I think it would be funny if people were getting det- negative for corona but then somebody was like, "You do have HIV." Like that would be hilarious to me.

Joe Rogan 19:41 HIV's like not that big a deal anymore.

Tim Dillon 19:42 It's not a big deal. Yeah, for me it would be fine. The doctor would be like, "It's the healthiest thing about you, HIV."

Joe Rogan 19:47 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 19:47 I'd be like, "AIDS helps you." We'd be like, "This is great." Um-

Joe Rogan 19:50 AIDS is fighting off the flu.

Tim Dillon 19:51 Have you had the thing done?

Joe Rogan 19:52 AIDS is like, "He's mine."

Tim Dillon 19:53 (laughs) Yeah, right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:55 Yeah, I had the, the antibody done.

Tim Dillon 19:56 Is-

Joe Rogan 19:56 I don't have anything.

Tim Dillon 19:57 Is ... Okay.

Joe Rogan 19:57 I was hoping I had the antibodies but I was-

Tim Dillon 19:59 I want the antibodies.

Joe Rogan 20:00 Yes. I hope ... I was hoping that I had caught it and I fought it off.

Tim Dillon 20:02 I want the antibodies so then Meghan McCain could go to Wuhan, eat a bat-

Joe Rogan 20:06 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 20:06 ... eat a bat. That would be fun. Could I fly to China? Would I be allowed to fly to China if I had the antibodies and go, "I'm going to Wuhan"?

Joe Rogan 20:14 You should do a comedy special as Meghan McCain.

Tim Dillon 20:16 I'm d- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:18 Your whole special as Meghan.

Tim Dillon 20:18 Dude, she'll ... She's already gonna have me killed. So I, I, I, I left her alone. She had a pregnancy announcement, I'm like, "I'm not gonna do a joke about that. God bless. Congrats." She hates me.

Joe Rogan 20:27 Di- you think she does?

Tim Dillon 20:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:28 Just 'cause you blocked each other on Twitter?

Tim Dillon 20:29 I know somebody who knows her well, she doesn't like me. You know, it is what it is.

Joe Rogan 20:32 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 20:32 I get it, it's fine.

Joe Rogan 20:33 But I, I don't get it.

Tim Dillon 20:34 A lot of the people I've made fun of in that sense don't like me.

Joe Rogan 20:37 Okay, but you're-

Tim Dillon 20:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:38 ... not really her, okay?

Tim Dillon 20:41 I know.

Joe Rogan 20:41 You're doing a character.

Tim Dillon 20:42 That is-

Joe Rogan 20:42 It should be funny.

Tim Dillon 20:43 That is true. I agree, but people are very sensitive. (smacks lips) We live in a very sensitive world.

Joe Rogan 20:48 I guess.

Tim Dillon 20:49 And I did say she wanted to have sex with her dad.

Joe Rogan 20:52 Yeah, but it was funny.

Tim Dillon 20:52 It's very funny. Um, but part of that-

Joe Rogan 20:55 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 20:55 ... I think disturbed her. What made her mad, what made her mad is that she told a friend of mine, she goes, "I didn't like that he made fun of my weight," which is interesting. Because-

Joe Rogan 21:04 Oh, that's hilarious.

Tim Dillon 21:05 ... I said she had a baby with her dad, she didn't care about that.

Joe Rogan 21:07 (laughs) It's the weight thing.

Tim Dillon 21:07 But she didn't like ... But you know, a big guy-

Joe Rogan 21:10 That's a woman.

Tim Dillon 21:10 ... putting a wig on saying, "I'm you," it's not, it's not exactly ... It's not, uh, you know, pos-

Joe Rogan 21:16 Flattering.

Tim Dillon 21:16 It's not flattering, that's the word.

Joe Rogan 21:17 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Tim Dillon 21:17 Yeah, it's not flattering. But this is-

Joe Rogan 21:18 But comedy rarely is.

Tim Dillon 21:20 But now in a pandemic everyone's got like ... Uh, the woke shit's gotta be over now, right?

Joe Rogan 21:24 It's not, it's coming back, man.

Tim Dillon 21:25 The woke ... It's ... We're in a pandemic.

Joe Rogan 21:27 I understand, but the liberals-

Tim Dillon 21:28 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 21:28 ... are at home with nothing to do for a month.

Tim Dillon 21:30 I know.

Joe Rogan 21:30 And then they're firing it up again.

Tim Dillon 21:31 They're writing articles like, "This is a gendered crisis."

Joe Rogan 21:34 Oh, I've seen that.

Tim Dillon 21:34 Nurses are women. It's like-

Joe Rogan 21:35 Yes, I've seen that.

Tim Dillon 21:35 ... "Oh, God. Enough."

Joe Rogan 21:37 Yes. Well, Bill Maher went hard in the paint. Uh-

Tim Dillon 21:40 He did.

Joe Rogan 21:40 And, uh-

Tim Dillon 21:40 And he was right.

Joe Rogan 21:41 He was right.

Tim Dillon 21:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:42 But he was also not totally right, 'cause he, he was defending the use of the term Chinese virus. But really, correctly termed it would be the Wuhan virus.

Tim Dillon 21:52 Yeah, but everyone kn- Right, right. Everyone knows that it originated in China.

Joe Rogan 21:56 Yes, but if you, but if you called it the Wuhan virus, it would be historically accurate.

Tim Dillon 22:01 Right, 'cause racists who are gonna do hate crimes wouldn't know if Wuhan was in China. Like, they would be like, "Is it somewhere else?"

Joe Rogan 22:07 No, that's not what I'm saying. It's like-

Tim Dillon 22:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:08 ... you're generalizing an entire continent.

Tim Dillon 22:10 Okay.

Joe Rogan 22:11 Or an en- an entire country at least.

Tim Dillon 22:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:12 An enormous country.

Tim Dillon 22:13 It's just a subset, a small section of it that had the virus.

Joe Rogan 22:16 Well, it's like the examples they used was like Lyme disease came from Lyme, Connecticut.

Tim Dillon 22:20 But if, if a dr- if a, if a, if something came out of Colorado and it was killing everybody in China-

Joe Rogan 22:24 Well, it did. Rocky Mountain ticks.

Tim Dillon 22:25 Would they say in China-

Joe Rogan 22:27 Rocky Mountain fever.

Tim Dillon 22:27 Would they call it that in China? Would they say the US flu, the American bug?

Joe Rogan 22:32 I don't know. I've al-

Tim Dillon 22:32 I mean, you know-

Joe Rogan 22:33 I've never talked to someone in Chinese.

Tim Dillon 22:34 I mean, they're d- there's d- it's a way to generalize it. It's sloppy, but listen, this is the way it's been d- done for years.

Joe Rogan 22:40 Yeah, but there's a clear reason why ... Look, Trump, first of all, they were in heated trade negotiations with China.

Tim Dillon 22:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:47 So he wants to rub it in their face, "China."

Tim Dillon 22:49 China, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:50 China.

Tim Dillon 22:50 And he also wants to take, uh, attention away from the fact that we were not prepared-

Joe Rogan 22:55 Right.

Tim Dillon 22:55 ... and he knew, and everyone knew. Not only him, Nancy Pelosi, uh, all of these people. All ... Even Fauci. All of these guys came out and said, "This is nothing to worry about." But Trump is the president, the buck stops with him. He could've ordered tests, he could've been more vigilant and he didn't do it. So I think he-

Joe Rogan 23:11 Well, they were all-

Tim Dillon 23:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:11 ... saying not to worry about it. Everyone. The World Health Organization in January was saying that it does-

Tim Dillon 23:16 Yeah. Well, the CIA wrote him a memo.

Joe Rogan 23:18 In January they were saying it does not transmit from person to person.

Tim Dillon 23:21 Yeah, but if you, listen. If you're skeptical of China and you're skeptical of the W- the World Health Organization, as he's, he's very skeptical of China, you gotta l-

Joe Rogan 23:29 But, but ... Yeah.

Tim Dillon 23:29 You gotta l- yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:29 But the World Health Organization up until then had not been criticized the way it's been criticized now.

Tim Dillon 23:34 Of course, but you still have to, I think, if you're the president and you're in a leadership position, you have to be like, "Wait a minute. What are we not knowing?" The CIA wrote him a memo saying this could be a big problem.

Joe Rogan 23:44 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 23:44 I mean, we knew ... We were watching it happen for two months in another country.

Joe Rogan 23:48 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 23:48 We're watching this happen in China. And I'm not saying that he could've prevented a pandemic, but like, dude, get the tests. Give 'em to New York, give 'em to certain big areas, you know? Have ... Scale up the testing.

Joe Rogan 24:01 So what does he think he did wrong?

Tim Dillon 24:01 Scale up the-

Joe Rogan 24:02 He didn't scale up the testing?

Tim Dillon 24:03 I don't think he sca- No, he didn't scale up the testing.

Joe Rogan 24:05 I don't know if it's h- First of all, is it him? W- Who ... Is he the one who does this?

Tim Dillon 24:08 He's the president, if he said-

Joe Rogan 24:10 Okay, but stop.

Tim Dillon 24:10 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:10 Is ... How do you ... Do you even know?

Tim Dillon 24:12 I-

Joe Rogan 24:12 Like, when you say he should've done this-

Tim Dillon 24:13 Yes, but I think-

Joe Rogan 24:14 ... do you even know what was possible to do?

Tim Dillon 24:15 Yeah, I think he could- Well, first of all, he could've ... The Defense Production Act, which I don't think he's ... He could've invoked that after this happened, uh, to force companies to make certain things.

Joe Rogan 24:24 Right, but there was-

Tim Dillon 24:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:25 ... a lot of people that were thinking that this was g- just gonna be like the flu.

Tim Dillon 24:28 If the president of the United States said, "We need more tests for this," there's abs- there's absolutely we would've had more tests.

Joe Rogan 24:32 But do you understand that he didn't even have a test?

Tim Dillon 24:35 Yeah, but that's-

Joe Rogan 24:35 'Cause it's a novel coronavirus.

Tim Dillon 24:36 Underst-

Joe Rogan 24:37 It's a new thing.

Tim Dillon 24:37 Yeah, but there were tests in other countries that were being used. I mean, Germany did this, right? Uh-

Joe Rogan 24:41 What did they do?

Tim Dillon 24:42 They had more testing. They've kept their mortality rates down.

Joe Rogan 24:45 They had more testing quickly, right?

Tim Dillon 24:45 They've had, kept their mortality rates down.

Joe Rogan 24:47 I think there's a bunch of reasons why Germany kept their mortality rates down.

Tim Dillon 24:49 Well, it's a very, you know, the, the culture... But, but here's the other thing. You know-

Joe Rogan 24:52 They follow rules better.

Tim Dillon 24:53 Taiwan did it. South Korea... I mean, now they're having second waves, but like, up until recently, Taiwan had very few cases and it's right by China. But again, a lot of it was testing.

Joe Rogan 25:02 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 25:02 So I mean, I think the China virus issue helps him deflect from any... And I mean, listen, you, you can't go out during a pandemic when nurses are wearing garbage bags and falling down and go, "Hey, my, my press conference is getting the biggest ratings they've ever gotten."

Joe Rogan 25:15 No, that was the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life.

Tim Dillon 25:17 I mean, you can't do that. I mean, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan 25:19 No, that was just crazy.

Tim Dillon 25:19 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 25:20 But that's him. He's a, he's a-

Tim Dillon 25:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:22 ... fucking weird guy, man.

Tim Dillon 25:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:24 But he also did shut down travel from China quickly.

Tim Dillon 25:27 That was good. That was smart.

Joe Rogan 25:27 And people were saying he was a racist.

Tim Dillon 25:29 Well, they, yeah, well, Chuck Schumer should be held to account for that.

Joe Rogan 25:32 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 25:32 Yeah, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 25:33 He really should because that was the correct thing to do.

Tim Dillon 25:35 I don't think he could have prevented this. I'm just saying there's gotta be a better system than the one we have where states are like, bidding-

Joe Rogan 25:42 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 25:42 ... for this equipment. Like, there's gotta be a way. And that $1,200 stimulus that people are gonna get is not helping anybody.

Joe Rogan 25:49 No, that's not enough.

Tim Dillon 25:50 No.

Joe Rogan 25:50 But when you say states are bidding, what are you talking about?

Tim Dillon 25:52 I mean, states are... Th- y- I don't think the federal government has the ability or we don't have the ability to get states equipment, so states are like, bidding for it. There's something going on where like, a lot of states are going outside the system to like, secure their... Which part, part of their responsibility is to do, but it's just, there's gotta be a better system going forward.

Joe Rogan 26:12 Yeah. Well, they, they didn't see this coming.

Tim Dillon 26:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:14 I mean, in terms of needing ventilators. Like, y- you go back to November or December. Nobody thought that three months from now, the entire country's gonna be shut down, we're gonna need ventilators everywhere.

Tim Dillon 26:23 N- no, of course not. And we-

Joe Rogan 26:24 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 26:24 And, and, and some hospitals may not need ventilators, but you gotta look at a city like New York and you gotta look at what's happening in China and you gotta go, "There's a high population density there. We should probably w- try to shore up some of those hospitals."

Joe Rogan 26:35 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 26:35 I mean, otherwise, what the hell does, you know-

Joe Rogan 26:38 But isn't it the point?

Tim Dillon 26:38 ... what's the point?

Joe Rogan 26:38 The people who run the hospitals, the administration of the hospitals, isn't their responsibility to make sure that they have PPE in place? The fact these people are wearing garbage bags, they don't have enough masks-

Tim Dillon 26:47 Well, I don't think any hospitals-

Joe Rogan 26:49 ... or even using masks.

Tim Dillon 26:49 ... prepared for a pandemic. So if you're-

Joe Rogan 26:50 But why don't they? They're fucking hospitals.

Tim Dillon 26:52 I mean, I, I think certain people have to direct them to do that, right?

Joe Rogan 26:55 Yeah, but if, when you're talking about just masks, how the fuck don't they have a large supply of masks on hand? It's not-

Tim Dillon 27:01 That, that I don't know.

Joe Rogan 27:01 ... financially prohibitive.

Tim Dillon 27:02 I mean, that I don't know. I have no idea. But-

Joe Rogan 27:05 They'd know now.

Tim Dillon 27:05 But there's gotta be some, there's gotta be some responsibility.

Joe Rogan 27:08 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 27:09 W- either, it might be state government, could be local government, but there's gotta be some responsibility.

Joe Rogan 27:14 Yeah, somebody fucked up.

Tim Dillon 27:15 Somebody fucked up.

Joe Rogan 27:16 But it's also a new thing. I mean-

Tim Dillon 27:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:18 ... we haven't had to deal with something like this before.

Tim Dillon 27:20 Well, we had H1N1. We had swine flu, right?

Joe Rogan 27:22 Yeah. How'd they stop that?

Tim Dillon 27:23 We... I don't know. But that w- that didn't seem-

Joe Rogan 27:25 Bird, you know Bird had that?

Tim Dillon 27:25 Did Bird have it?

Joe Rogan 27:25 Yeah, Bird had it.

Tim Dillon 27:26 That's hilarious. Bird, that's amazing.

Joe Rogan 27:27 Bird almost died, he said.

Tim Dillon 27:28 Really? Well, that's not funny.

Joe Rogan 27:29 Yeah, he s- sorry. Yeah, he said he was sick as he's ever been, in constant pain, said he couldn't sleep.

Tim Dillon 27:34 I don't remember hearing that much about swine flu, about H1N1.

Joe Rogan 27:36 He could've just been drunk.

Tim Dillon 27:38 He was probably hammered. He didn't get a check-

Joe Rogan 27:39 He probably saw something about swine flu-

Tim Dillon 27:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:42 ... as he was passing out.

Tim Dillon 27:42 "I think I got it."

Joe Rogan 27:43 And he's like, "I have s- that's why I have swine flu."

Tim Dillon 27:45 "I got the flu."

Joe Rogan 27:46 "That's what I have."

Tim Dillon 27:47 Yeah. I don't know, man. It's, um, I mean, all we're doing is just talking.

Joe Rogan 27:52 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 27:52 This is the thing. It's like, everybody's sort of talking around in circles.

Joe Rogan 27:55 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 27:55 And we're hoping it gets better.

Joe Rogan 27:56 Well, I'm a microbi- I tell people I'm a microbiologist.

Tim Dillon 27:59 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 27:59 You know, now, because nobody knows anything, so I can know as much as anyone else.

Tim Dillon 28:02 And the governor wants to s- shut down this state f- for another month. Today's the 13th. Another month in two days, which is kinda crazy.

Joe Rogan 28:10 It's not gonna happen. I don't know if that'll happen. Well, a-

Tim Dillon 28:12 What do you mean? It's, he's the governor.

Joe Rogan 28:14 People, people are gonna go out. I mean, people get... You know, my friend called me the other day, he goes, "Hey, man, you wanna come to an Easter thing?" I'm like, "Wait, what?" (laughs) He's like, "Yeah, it's only like, 12 people." I'm like, "I don't, I don't think that's-"

Tim Dillon 28:24 Coughing on each other. (imitates gagging)

Joe Rogan 28:25 I'm like, you know, and then he sent me pictures of it. It looked beautiful, but you know, I'm, I may-

Tim Dillon 28:29 Where was it?

Joe Rogan 28:29 It was in Beverly Hills. I didn't go.

Tim Dillon 28:30 But what if three weeks later, half of them are dead?

Joe Rogan 28:32 Well, I'll, I mean, hopefully they are.

Tim Dillon 28:34 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 28:34 You know, because I didn't go, so I hope they die.

Tim Dillon 28:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:37 I hope they drop dead.

Tim Dillon 28:38 Hope you made good decisions.

Joe Rogan 28:39 Yeah. I, I look now and I wanna choose who dies. I go, "I'd like them to go."

Tim Dillon 28:44 Who do you choose?

Joe Rogan 28:45 Just friends of mine that I've had enough of.

Tim Dillon 28:47 Yeah, like-

Joe Rogan 28:47 Just people I could, you know-

Tim Dillon 28:48 What, what gets you? Is it... You know what gets me?

Joe Rogan 28:51 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 28:51 When they lie about how well they did on stage.

Joe Rogan 28:54 Well, that's annoying.

Tim Dillon 28:55 I'm like, "It's time to go."

Joe Rogan 28:56 That's annoying.

Tim Dillon 28:56 "It's time to go. I had a good set."

Joe Rogan 28:57 Yeah. "I mean, I watched a little bit of it."

Tim Dillon 28:59 There was a guy in Long Island who used to, uh, who used to tell us all the time when we were very young at comedy, he'd sit in the green room and he would give us a speech about how to do standup. And then you'd go on stage and bomb horribly and then he'd walk off stage and then look at us and he would go, "They were good." (laughs) And he would just walk out, like he wasn't even there. Some people aren't even there.

Joe Rogan 29:16 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 29:17 They don't even know what's happening. They don't know if the audience is applauding or not.

Joe Rogan 29:20 Well, they put up a shield. They put up some sort of a psychic shield to protect themselves from reality.

Tim Dillon 29:24 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:25 Not good. You know-

Tim Dillon 29:25 A lot of people are doing that.

Joe Rogan 29:26 But isn't that h- the case? Like, a l- th- those, the guys who give the most advice in the green room before they go on stage are the ones who suck the most? (laughs)

Tim Dillon 29:33 Yeah, there's always the horrible... No, nobody... And I was in sales, nobody who ever made money gave you advice. They just walked by you like you didn't exist.

Joe Rogan 29:40 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 29:40 Everyone who sits down... It's true.

Joe Rogan 29:43 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 29:44 Everybody who's making money walks by you like you're not real. When, when, when somebody starts bullshitting, like in sales, I used to give people advice. I would close no deals. I'd make no money.

Joe Rogan 29:54 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 29:54 I would literally make no money.

Joe Rogan 29:56 What were you selling?

Tim Dillon 29:56 I was selling m- subprime mortgages.

Joe Rogan 29:58 Oh, boy.

Tim Dillon 29:59 Yeah, but, but it, it was good for a while, and then the government got involved and ruined that.

Joe Rogan 30:03 S-

Tim Dillon 30:04 Ruined that. We were just trying to help people.

Joe Rogan 30:06 Yeah. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 30:06 And, uh, you know, we were. People deserve homes, Joe, whether they have jobs or not.

Joe Rogan 30:11 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 30:11 They deserve to have a pool.

Joe Rogan 30:13 They were giving people homes with no jobs.

Tim Dillon 30:14 Well, that's the other thing, and then everybody goes back and they're like, "Everybody was, you know, the, the banks robbed all these people." It's like, they were in on it. Everyone was in on it. Everybody buying a house, n- for the most part, knew what they were doing.

Joe Rogan 30:26 Mmm.

Tim Dillon 30:26 They all knew.

Joe Rogan 30:27 ... yeah.

Tim Dillon 30:28 Yeah, all the t- you would have to call somebody.

Joe Rogan 30:30 They knew, but they thought they could pull it off. Like-

Tim Dillon 30:31 You'd have to call somebody and be like, "Hey, you know, you know, you know your brother owns a, a Toyota dealership in Queens. Can he say you work there?" And they'd go, "Yeah."

Joe Rogan 30:38 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 30:38 "Of course." Some guy would just write like, "Yeah, Sarah works here. She kills it. Makes eight grand a month slinging Toyotas on Northern Boulevard."

Joe Rogan 30:46 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 30:46 None of it was true. And then we'd give her a loan for $400,000.

Joe Rogan 30:49 And she'd buy a house.

Tim Dillon 30:50 Yeah, and she'd buy a house.

Joe Rogan 30:51 And then she'd see those... And then when... The thing about the, the, the changing of the mortgage payments.

Tim Dillon 30:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:57 That's what really fucked people up.

Tim Dillon 30:58 Two years. So two years you would get... There was something called the pick a payment option. I mean, it's great. So they, you had four options to pay. You know, usually a mortgage you pay your principal, interest, taxes, and insurance. Here you had four. One was like you could pay 1% like a credit card. You could pay 1%. You could pay only interest. That was the second option. You could pay 30-year regular option, or you could pay like a 15-year if you really wanted to pay it off quickly. Nobody paid the 15 or the 30. Very few people did the interest only. They did 1%, so that deferred interest, and it l- so you would pay your mortgage and it would balloon. It would go up. Like you would pay 1%-

Joe Rogan 31:34 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 31:34 ... and your mortgage would go up every year. And then eventually you got to a point where then it would just readjust and your mortgage payment would go up like $2,700.

Joe Rogan 31:42 And didn't your mortgage adjust with some of them depending upon the market?

Tim Dillon 31:46 Yeah, so like two years into a loan, two or three years into a loan, I had a house. I bought a house. I was 22.

Joe Rogan 31:51 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 31:52 This was not smart, but when you're drunk and on cocaine-

Joe Rogan 31:55 How much did you- (laughs)

Tim Dillon 31:55 You, I sold myself a hou- like you're not supposed to-

Joe Rogan 31:59 How much?

Tim Dillon 31:59 $700,000.

Joe Rogan 31:59 What?

Tim Dillon 32:00 $650,000.

Joe Rogan 32:01 No, you didn't.

Tim Dillon 32:01 Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, you, that's a big rule. You're not supposed to scam yourself.

Joe Rogan 32:06 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 32:06 I scammed myself. That was, you know, but when you're on cocaine.

Joe Rogan 32:11 You were, you were 22. You bought a-

Tim Dillon 32:11 Yeah, I bought a $650,000 house.

Joe Rogan 32:14 That is fucking hilarious.

Tim Dillon 32:14 In Long Island, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:15 Oh my God.

Tim Dillon 32:16 It was not, it was not the best choice.

Joe Rogan 32:18 How big was that house?

Tim Dillon 32:18 It was big.

Joe Rogan 32:18 It must have been a nice house.

Tim Dillon 32:19 It had an acre lot.

Joe Rogan 32:20 Wow.

Tim Dillon 32:20 Going back it was deep. I thought they were gonna develop it or sell it. Like I would just stand outside my house smoking cigarettes being like, "Developers are eventually gonna buy up my yard." Like I was g- you know, on drugs. And I thought this was all gonna work out. And I had a, a two-year mortgage, and then it ballooned, and it went from what it was to like, you know, it went up like...

Joe Rogan 32:38 How much were you paying a month?

Tim Dillon 32:40 I think in the beginning-

Joe Rogan 32:41 (laughs) You're gonna-

Tim Dillon 32:42 It was $4,400 in the beginning. That was the good payment. And then it would like get-

Joe Rogan 32:47 Jesus.

Tim Dillon 32:47 Yeah, it was bad.

Joe Rogan 32:48 That's a lot-

Tim Dillon 32:49 It's a lot of money.

Joe Rogan 32:49 ... to be beginning.

Tim Dillon 32:50 It's a lot. It was a lot of money, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:51 And what did it balloon to?

Tim Dillon 32:51 But I rented the house. Yeah, I rented the house out.

Joe Rogan 32:54 What did it balloon to?

Tim Dillon 32:55 It ballooned to like well over six. So yeah, it was, it w- well over six, and then that was the first adjustment.

Joe Rogan 33:02 Six grand a month?

Tim Dillon 33:02 Yeah. It was a problem.

Joe Rogan 33:03 You were 22. Holy shit.

Tim Dillon 33:04 22, and I was working in mortgages, and I thought it was gonna work out. Like I thought we were all gonna be okay because everybody I knew was, you know, 27 years old, and they were making $30,000 a month, and they were driving like, you know, Porsches. So I said, "This is just gonna go on forever." And President-

Joe Rogan 33:19 So after taxes, you-

Tim Dillon 33:19 George W. Bush said we were building an ownership society.

Joe Rogan 33:22 You had to make 100 grand a year just to pay your mortgage after taxes.

Tim Dillon 33:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:27 Oh my God. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 33:28 Yeah, yeah. It was-

Joe Rogan 33:29 That's so crazy.

Tim Dillon 33:30 It was, it was destined to fail. When I- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:33 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 33:33 When I look back now, it wasn't smart.

Joe Rogan 33:35 Did they take it from you?

Tim Dillon 33:36 But I don't know. I just left one day.

Joe Rogan 33:38 What?

Tim Dillon 33:39 I just walked out. Yeah, just one day I left.

Joe Rogan 33:41 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 33:41 I mean, you can't stay. Whoever's coming isn't gonna be happy.

Joe Rogan 33:44 Tell the whole thing.

Tim Dillon 33:45 I mean, I-

Joe Rogan 33:45 So they just repossessed it?

Tim Dillon 33:46 Yeah. They, I, I would imagine they took it, yes.

Joe Rogan 33:48 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 33:48 I mean, it was 10 years ago.

Joe Rogan 33:49 Do you have a credit card today?

Tim Dillon 33:50 I mean, I'm in LA now dressing up as Meghan McCain, so-

Joe Rogan 33:53 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 33:53 ... I would imag- I just got my credit reestablished recently.

Joe Rogan 33:56 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 33:56 I just got it reestablished, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:58 That's hilarious.

Tim Dillon 33:59 Yeah, well not, and it's not good yet. It's gotta get built.

Joe Rogan 34:01 They give you like seven years.

Tim Dillon 34:02 I just write you as a cosigner on everything. I just write Joe Rogan.

Joe Rogan 34:05 Oh, beautiful.

Tim Dillon 34:05 No, but it's, it's seven, yeah, seven years before it fell off the credit report.

Joe Rogan 34:09 I had a buddy of mine who knew that he was going to go bankrupt.

Tim Dillon 34:13 Yes.

Joe Rogan 34:13 And this was in the '90s, like early 2000s.

Tim Dillon 34:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:17 So he decided what he was gonna do was get a bunch of credit cards and run them up like big time.

Tim Dillon 34:22 Good for him. That's the American dream.

Joe Rogan 34:24 So what he did was just go to strip clubs-

Tim Dillon 34:27 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:27 ... and, and go crazy with his credit cards for months and months and months and never paid anything.

Tim Dillon 34:34 Yeah, smart.

Joe Rogan 34:34 And he knew what he was gonna do and then went bankrupt.

Tim Dillon 34:36 Listen, smart. Trump's done it a bunch. Like bankruptcy is the move if you, you know-

Joe Rogan 34:39 Did he go bankrupt or did he file-

Tim Dillon 34:41 I didn't go bankrupt. His businesses went bankrupt. He filed chapter whatever it is.

Joe Rogan 34:44 Yeah, Chapter 11.

Tim Dillon 34:45 But I mean, smart. A lot of people do it. It was just a way, it's the way to live.

Joe Rogan 34:49 You know what's interesting? You can never do that with student loans.

Tim Dillon 34:52 Well, student loans because they think that whatever money you make in your life is the direct result of the money they gave you to get that degree. Even if, this is what's interesting, even if you're not doing anything that has anything to do with that degree, they're like, "Listen, fucker, we gave you that money so you could be a vet tech. So you're, you owe us. You wouldn't be doing your shitty job if not for Sallie Mae."

Joe Rogan 35:14 I don't think they even think about it that way.

Tim Dillon 35:15 You don't think so?

Joe Rogan 35:16 No, no. They just-

Tim Dillon 35:17 Well then what's the-

Joe Rogan 35:18 Fuck you.

Tim Dillon 35:19 Yeah. Yeah, but that's part of-

Joe Rogan 35:19 They just take you when you're a kid-

Tim Dillon 35:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:21 ... when you're, your fucking frontal lobe isn't fully formed-

Tim Dillon 35:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:25 ... and they force a loan onto you-

Tim Dillon 35:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:26 ... because you don't wanna be a loser-

Tim Dillon 35:28 I don't feel bad for any of those kids.

Joe Rogan 35:29 ... so you go to school-

Tim Dillon 35:29 I don't feel bad for any of them.

Joe Rogan 35:31 No?

Tim Dillon 35:31 Because they could've sold subprime mortgages.

Joe Rogan 35:33 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 35:33 You know, fuck them. Listen, I went to community college and dropped out. I don't feel bad for anybody who takes $200,000 out and gets a degree in gender studies. Um, it's, you know, fuck 'em. Whatever. Pay it or don't pay it.

Joe Rogan 35:44 Okay. Uh, gender studies, I hear you.

Tim Dillon 35:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:46 But h- the thing is like the reason why they're doing it in the first place is because they don't want to be a loser, and then they get strapped-

Tim Dillon 35:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:52 ... down with this insane amount of debt-

Tim Dillon 35:54 That's true.

Joe Rogan 35:54 ... that turns them into a loser.

Tim Dillon 35:56 Well, a lot of them aren't losers. A lot of them are just paying back something and it's annoying, right?

Joe Rogan 36:00 Dude, there's people that are getting their Social Security docked-

Tim Dillon 36:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:05 ... because they have student loans.

Tim Dillon 36:05 And there's one, there's people I've heard of selling blood to pay it back. It is bad, but I don't think the majority of them are in that position.

Joe Rogan 36:10 But here's the thing.

Tim Dillon 36:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:11 If you buy other things-

Tim Dillon 36:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:13 ... and you go bankrupt, you don't have to pay it back.

Tim Dillon 36:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:16 But you have to pay back your student loans no matter what.

Tim Dillon 36:18 Right. So my advice to those people is to pay the student loans and then fuck everything else, you know? I mean-

Joe Rogan 36:26 Or don't get a student loan.

Tim Dillon 36:28 Or don't get a student loan.

Joe Rogan 36:28 It's just the fact that it operates under a different rule and it's the one thing that seems not mandatory, but really, really-... heavily enforced. I mean, it's a thing that's, like, encouraged-

Tim Dillon 36:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:43 ... to the extreme. Go to college-

Tim Dillon 36:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:45 ... get a degree.

Tim Dillon 36:46 Well, don't you think that's changing? Don't you think people are gonna start-

Joe Rogan 36:48 I hope so.

Tim Dillon 36:48 ... to realize that, like, college in and of itself without a very specific goal is probably ... And the reason that the student loans are this expensive is because the government backs them, right? So, that's the whole reason they're expensive.

Joe Rogan 37:00 Yes.

Tim Dillon 37:00 Because the government guarantees them.

Joe Rogan 37:02 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 37:02 It's the same reason that a lot of healthcare is expensive. It's like, companies know a percentage of it is gonna be paid that, by the government. It's guaranteed. So, I think you just gotta kinda decouple the government from a lot of these schools. And then schools are like, "Okay, we can't charge 40 grand a year, because no one will pay it."

Joe Rogan 37:19 Well, what I'm hoping is that it's going to be like ... Like, my kids right now are in virtual school.

Tim Dillon 37:24 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 37:25 So, they're home and-

Tim Dillon 37:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:26 ... they're sitting in front of the computer and the teacher, like, gives them examples and they talk about things. The teacher can see them in little windows.

Tim Dillon 37:33 Oh, so the tea-

Joe Rogan 37:33 It's, it's like-

Tim Dillon 37:34 Is it like Zoom?

Joe Rogan 37:35 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 37:35 It's Zoom. Everything's on Zoom.

Joe Rogan 37:36 And the teacher's-

Tim Dillon 37:36 Our whole life is on Zoom.

Joe Rogan 37:37 The teacher can click on each individual person, see them full screen, and ask them about stuff. The kids can talk about it. They're in fr- It's real-

Tim Dillon 37:45 It's wild.

Joe Rogan 37:45 It's real weird, man, because-

Tim Dillon 37:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:47 ... here's the thing. You know, uh, if you're paying whatever the fuck you're paying for, um, what, what is a ... Say if you're going to a real, g- going to Yale-

Tim Dillon 37:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:58 ... what does, what does that cost a year?

Tim Dillon 37:59 70 grand, 60 grand.

Joe Rogan 38:00 Grand.

Tim Dillon 38:00 Something very expensive.

Joe Rogan 38:01 A lot of these courses are available right now online.

Tim Dillon 38:05 So, you could just take a Yale course.

Joe Rogan 38:07 Well, I know MIT has-

Tim Dillon 38:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:08 Didn't Lex Friedman talk about that? That the courses are all available online for free.

Tim Dillon 38:14 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 38:15 So, you can go there in person, but that seems so retro.

Tim Dillon 38:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:20 Like, why do you have to go to a physical place? I guess as a good social-

Tim Dillon 38:23 Well, because people-

Joe Rogan 38:23 ... experience.

Tim Dillon 38:24 People don't have ... People can't watch their kids, right? That's the big problem. It's really childcare. Like, if you look at what schools are, it's a way to get your kid out of your hair for eight or 10 hours a day because most people have to go to work and they don't have any, they don't have ... They can't afford to pay somebody to watch their kids.

Joe Rogan 38:39 What do you mean? You mean school, school for little kids?

Tim Dillon 38:41 Yeah, for little kids.

Joe Rogan 38:42 Yeah. There's a little bit of that.

Tim Dillon 38:43 Or even high ... Dude, even in high school.

Joe Rogan 38:45 Well, there's a little bit of that.

Tim Dillon 38:46 If-

Joe Rogan 38:46 But it's, it's a lot they, they learn s-

Tim Dillon 38:48 Some people need structured environments.

Joe Rogan 38:50 There's a lot they learn socially.

Tim Dillon 38:52 Yes, that's, that's-

Joe Rogan 38:52 It's very important for them.

Tim Dillon 38:54 ... true.

Joe Rogan 38:54 It's not just structured environment, it's also experiencing being around people and learning-

Tim Dillon 38:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:59 ... how to interact with them. The weirdest motherfuckers I've ever been around were homeschooled.

Tim Dillon 39:03 Yeah, homeschooling is interesting.

Joe Rogan 39:05 Dude, I know a guy-

Tim Dillon 39:06 It's strange.

Joe Rogan 39:06 ... who was homeschooled and he's so fucking awkward, and he's in his 30s.

Tim Dillon 39:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:10 He's just so ... He doesn't know how to hang.

Tim Dillon 39:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:13 He can't hang. He never learned how to hang. He, he didn't ... No one's ever fucked with him.

Tim Dillon 39:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:17 He doesn't know, he doesn't know how to deal with people jib- uh, jabbing him and just fucking around with him. He's like, "Ooh."

Tim Dillon 39:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:23 He doesn't get it. (laughs) He doesn't get it.

Tim Dillon 39:25 Is he mentally ill?

Joe Rogan 39:26 No, he's a smart guy.

Tim Dillon 39:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:27 In terms of, like, he could rattle off facts.

Tim Dillon 39:30 Why did his parents homeschool him?

Joe Rogan 39:31 Religion.

Tim Dillon 39:32 That's a, that's part of it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:33 It's a lot of it, man. Most of it-

Tim Dillon 39:35 Like, deep, deep real Christian stuff?

Joe Rogan 39:37 Yeah, yeah.

Tim Dillon 39:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:37 Anti-vaxx, too. A lot of weird shit.

Tim Dillon 39:39 Anti-vaxx, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 39:40 Yeah, "We're the whole deal."

Tim Dillon 39:41 Wow. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 39:41 "You gotta take apple cider vinegar. It's gonna cure everything."

Tim Dillon 39:44 We gotta trust Bill and Melinda Gates, you know?

Joe Rogan 39:47 What, with the vaccines?

Tim Dillon 39:48 I mean, they're going all over the third world sticking a needle in anything. I mean, those two-

Joe Rogan 39:51 What are you talking about?

Tim Dillon 39:52 They are, they are.

Joe Rogan 39:53 (laughs) They're trying to help people.

Tim Dillon 39:53 It's a fact.

Joe Rogan 39:55 They're trying to use their m-

Tim Dillon 39:56 Sure, they're like, "Listen-"

Joe Rogan 39:57 This is-

Tim Dillon 39:57 ... try to help people if it works.

Joe Rogan 39:58 Pause, pause. What, what do you think would be their motive ... Well, first of all, Bill Gates literally has $90 billion. He's trying to do-

Tim Dillon 40:06 I'm not saying he can't.

Joe Rogan 40:07 ... good things with his money and trying to use this money for philanthropy.

Tim Dillon 40:11 Sure.

Joe Rogan 40:11 Yeah. But hold on. The idea that these fucking crackpot conspiracy theories have-

Tim Dillon 40:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:15 ... that Bill Gates is the antichrist-

Tim Dillon 40:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:18 ... because he wants to get people inoculated from vaccines-

Tim Dillon 40:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:21 ... v- v- with vaccines and viruses, that he's somehow or another trying to control people. Bill Gates has everything.

Tim Dillon 40:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:28 He doesn't need anything more.

Tim Dillon 40:29 I agree.

Joe Rogan 40:30 He's not-

Tim Dillon 40:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:30 ... trying to get anything more.

Tim Dillon 40:32 Yep.

Joe Rogan 40:32 He's making no attempts to control markets, no attempts to get to like $1,000 billion.

Tim Dillon 40:38 100%.

Joe Rogan 40:38 He's not doing that.

Tim Dillon 40:39 But, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:39 He's using his foundation to try to, to he- help people get s- get healthy, help people get internet-

Tim Dillon 40:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:47 ... help people get running water.

Tim Dillon 40:49 But they have. I mean, listen, they've done things in the third world, like they've, they've introduced certain vaccines and stuff that have had adverse health consequences for people.

Joe Rogan 40:56 Like what?

Tim Dillon 40:57 Um, there's ... I mean, you could look it up, but this has literally happened. I mean, they've been involved with things where it's like hasn't gone well.

Joe Rogan 41:01 Okay, but, but when you say something like that-

Tim Dillon 41:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:02 ... if you don't wanna get sued-

Tim Dillon 41:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:03 ... by the richest man in the world, and you're going to. He's coming after you right now.

Tim Dillon 41:06 I will, I will, I will gladly get in a high profile legal battle with Bill Gates right now about vaccines.

Joe Rogan 41:14 What do you think about vaccines?

Tim Dillon 41:15 No, I think they're fine for the most part. But if he wants to sue me because of something I said on a podcast, let's go.

Joe Rogan 41:19 Well, what do you think-

Tim Dillon 41:20 It could only help my career.

Joe Rogan 41:20 What are you saying he did? No, he can't.

Tim Dillon 41:22 No, he went-

Joe Rogan 41:23 He'd be crippled in his financial debt.

Tim Dillon 41:23 But he went ... Listen, I, I don't research these companies, but I know for a fact that, you know, he's been involved in vaccine things that did not go well.

Joe Rogan 41:31 Where'd you read this?

Tim Dillon 41:32 I read it, I'm telling you.

Joe Rogan 41:33 Prisonplanet.com?

Tim Dillon 41:34 No, no, I read it ... This is, this is a fact. This is a reality. You can't just-

Joe Rogan 41:39 Okay.

Tim Dillon 41:39 Listen, people have issues with vaccines.

Joe Rogan 41:41 But tell me ... Hold on. When you're saying-

Tim Dillon 41:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:42 ... it's a fact-

Tim Dillon 41:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:43 ... you, you have to be able to reference-

Tim Dillon 41:46 Yeah, but I don't-

Joe Rogan 41:46 ... what you ... But if you don't-

Tim Dillon 41:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:48 ... you don't really have enough information to say it's a fact.

Tim Dillon 41:52 Well, it's something that's been reported and it's been credibly reported.

Joe Rogan 41:55 By who?

Tim Dillon 41:57 I mean, by-

Joe Rogan 41:57 You see what I'm saying?

Tim Dillon 41:58 But no, it's been credibly reported.

Joe Rogan 41:59 Gates Foundation accused of dangerously skewing aid priorities by promoting corporate globalization.

Tim Dillon 42:05 Look at the people in the back of that photo. They don't look happy.

Joe Rogan 42:07 Okay. But what does, what does that mean though, Jimmy?

Tim Dillon 42:08 They don't look happy.

Joe Rogan 42:09 That's, that's not what we're asking.

Tim Dillon 42:10 Okay.

Joe Rogan 42:10 We're talking about adverse reactions to vaccines.

Tim Dillon 42:12 No. Yeah, Jimmy-

Joe Rogan 42:13 But, but say that a ... But let me see that, uh, article title again. What a bizarre title. L- look at this. Accused of d- ... Click on it please. Dangerously skewing aid priorities by promoting corporate globalization.What does that mean? Why is there-

Tim Dillon 42:30 Well, because everything's in one-

Joe Rogan 42:30 ... so many quotes around everything?

Tim Dillon 42:32 Everything's in one umbrella, right? Like his company, his, his, his health initiatives.

Joe Rogan 42:36 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 42:37 All of these things work together and that, you know, you have to trust that everybody's motives are pure. I don't think he's trying to depopulate the world, but, you know, these people stand to make lots and lots of money if people adopt certain vaccines, right? Uh, or, or certain things that are, th- you know, maybe medically advantageous, maybe not.

Joe Rogan 42:55 Okay, pause.

Tim Dillon 42:55 Maybe necessary, maybe not. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:56 Pause. Pause. There's definitely an issue when money's involved with any sort of treatment.

Tim Dillon 43:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:01 And this is one of the issues that a lot of the conspiracy theorists bring up when it comes to ventilators, that a hospital gets X amount if someone gets brought into intensive care, and then they get Y amount if they're put on a ventilator. So, they're saying, "Well, there's a motivation to put people on ventilators."

Tim Dillon 43:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:15 Perhaps. The... I would hope never, but there have been cases of people doing surgery on people that didn't need it. There have been cases of people doing things to people, and treatments on people-

Tim Dillon 43:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:25 ... where it wasn't necessary to provide, uh, you know, something so they can ma-... They, they wanted to make money and they, they do things to people just to make money, not to make them better.

Tim Dillon 43:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:35 That has happened.

Tim Dillon 43:35 I think there was something in India, if you look at Bill Gates, India. But I think... I, I mean-

Joe Rogan 43:39 The vaccines?

Tim Dillon 43:39 Yeah. I, I mean, listen-

Joe Rogan 43:40 But do you understand what I'm saying though?

Tim Dillon 43:40 ... there is something. I'm not making joke. I'm not making this up.

Joe Rogan 43:43 Okay. I understand. But do you understand what I'm saying, that you're saying something as a fact and you have literally no data?

Tim Dillon 43:48 I, I have the, I have the data. I just can't recall the exact name of it. That doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Joe Rogan 43:52 Well, but you don't know if it happened. If you can't-

Tim Dillon 43:54 Well, I didn't go and investigate it in India.

Joe Rogan 43:56 ... even recall the data.

Tim Dillon 43:58 Oh, here we go. Controversial vaccines.

Joe Rogan 43:59 Here it is. Contro- (laughs)

Tim Dillon 43:59 Why is Bill and Melinda Gates (inaudible 00:02:28) ? Thank you.

Joe Rogan 44:01 "Under fire from critics in India." Well, let's read it. "Funded two entities that have played a key role in immunization program and are both under fire for conflict of interest." Okay, it doesn't mean adverse reactions to vaccines. "2009, several schools for tribal children..." Jesus Christ. How weird is that? Say those names. "The Kamam, Kamam-"

Tim Dillon 44:24 I'm not even...

Joe Rogan 44:25 "... Kamam District-"

Tim Dillon 44:26 Yeah. We'll just skip it.

Joe Rogan 44:27 "... in, in Telanga, Te- Telangana, then a part of, uh, undivided Andhra Pradesh, became sites for observational studies for a cervical cancer vaccine that was administered to thousands of girls." Oh, so it's an HPV disease. That's a dangerous, uh, vaccine. That's a dangerous vaccine. That vaccine-

Tim Dillon 44:48 Oh, these girls are whores. Okay, forget it. Sorry.

Joe Rogan 44:50 No, no. The vaccine's dangerous.

Tim Dillon 44:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:51 That HPV, there's people have had, uh, adverse reaction to that, uh, like a high number. "The girls were administered by the, uh, with, uh, administered the human papillomavirus vaccine in three rounds that, that year under the supervision of state health department officials. The vaccine used was Gardasil, manufactured by Merck."

Tim Dillon 45:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:15 Merck. Merck.

Tim Dillon 45:15 "Months later, many girls started falling ill and by, and by 2010, five of them died."

Joe Rogan 45:20 Yeah. That's a-

Tim Dillon 45:21 I'm not... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:21 But that is a, uh-

Tim Dillon 45:22 I get it. I'm not-

Joe Rogan 45:22 ... that's a controversial vaccine, period.

Tim Dillon 45:25 I'm just saying-

Joe Rogan 45:25 Two more.

Tim Dillon 45:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:26 It's good, but it's one of those ones where there's a high number of adverse reactions. "Estimated 14,000 children studying in schools meant for tribal children were also vaccinated with another band, brand of HPV vaccine, Cervarix, Cervarix." I like when they're like on the nose like that. Oh, is it against cervical cancer? Yeah, we'll call it Cervarix.

Tim Dillon 45:46 Cervarix.

Joe Rogan 45:47 "Manufactured by GSK. Earlier in the week, the Associated Press reported that scores of teenage girls were hospitalized in a small town north, in northern Colombia with symptoms that parents suspected could be adverse, adverse reaction to Gardasil." Hmm. So, some people died from this vaccine. But it, isn't... Go- google, uh, "HPV vaccine dangerous reactions." Because I, I've read that there's a certain percentage, whether it's, you know, one tenth or 1%, whatever it is-

Tim Dillon 46:14 I just think you have to look into it when there's a guy who-

Joe Rogan 46:15 ... that some people get.

Tim Dillon 46:16 When anyone stands to make billions of dollars and institute something that's going to be very widely accepted as now necessary for life, you know, you have to ask questions about it.

Joe Rogan 46:29 "According to HPV vaccine manufacturers, the most common adverse reactions to Gardasil include, include pain, swelling, redness, stinging, bruising, bleeding of the injection site, and headache, fever, nausea, diarrhea, abdominal pain," and it keeps going.

Tim Dillon 46:43 It's not that bad. I'm not saying that he's doing something inherently wrong, but you have to watch people like that. The fact that nobody knows, like nobody knows he's... you know, this is not a well-known thing.

Joe Rogan 46:52 I understand, but the idea that this is how he wants to make his money by vaccinating people-

Tim Dillon 46:57 No, no, no. But we have a world that's increasingly run by billionaires-

Joe Rogan 47:01 ... there's a reason why he's doing that, is to make money.

Tim Dillon 47:02 ... whom tell us what is and isn't necessary and how things are gonna be, right?

Joe Rogan 47:04 That's true.

Tim Dillon 47:05 Whether they're in tech, whether they're in health, whatever they are-

Joe Rogan 47:07 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 47:07 ... these are billionaires. Generally, they give these TED Talks and stuff like that. People don't pay attention to what they're doing. They're, they influence the political system in ways that we have, in, in ways that we know about and don't know about. And you've got to watch these people.

Joe Rogan 47:21 Okay, but now, now... okay.

Tim Dillon 47:21 I don't know Bill Gates.

Joe Rogan 47:22 Okay. Hold on.

Tim Dillon 47:22 I have no idea what he wants to do.

Joe Rogan 47:23 Now, we're talking about a totally different thing, and I agree with you. See, the thing is, before 2000, let's say 2000-

Tim Dillon 47:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:30 ... no one had any inkling whatsoever that social media was gonna have an impact on political realms, on the way-

Tim Dillon 47:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:37 ... w- you know, just language, what, what sort of, uh, discourse was allowed, what wasn't allowed. No one ever thought that-

Tim Dillon 47:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:44 ... that this was gonna be an impact, and that these companies would literally earn billions of dollars by selling your data, meaning, what are you interested in? What are you clicking on?

Tim Dillon 47:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:56 What are you going to? And that's what, that's what they're getting their money from. This is a great podcast-... that Sam Harris put out, I wish I could remember the guest, but he was talking about how we didn't know that our data, in terms of our search history, uh, the stuff that we go to, where, where we travel to with Google Maps, we didn't know that that data was a commodity.

Tim Dillon 48:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:16 And so we signed off on one of the most valuable commodities in the world.

Tim Dillon 48:19 I think it's bigger than oil right now.

Joe Rogan 48:20 It's, it's gigantic.

Tim Dillon 48:21 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:21 And these companies, not only do they gather up this commodity, but then they use their influence to, to influence social aspects of our culture; the way we communicate, what's allowed, what's not allowed.

Tim Dillon 48:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:35 And that's, that's squirrelly, because these people are ... a lot of them are socially inept.

Tim Dillon 48:40 I mean, all the stuff you were talking about in the beginning when you say when they're, when they're gonna come to you and they're gonna say you need a card, you need this, you need that-

Joe Rogan 48:46 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 48:47 ... uh, the free flow of travel, how you're allowed to travel around the country and the world, a lot of th- these people, whether it's Gates or whoever, are going to have a huge input in those laws that are made.

Joe Rogan 48:58 Mm-hmm. And they're gonna think they're doing it for a good reason.

Tim Dillon 49:00 Of cour- no, everybody does everything because they think-

Joe Rogan 49:02 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 49:02 ... they're doing it for a good reason.

Joe Rogan 49:03 Not necessarily.

Tim Dillon 49:04 You know? Well, a lot of people do.

Joe Rogan 49:06 Some people do.

Tim Dillon 49:06 I bought my house 'cause I believed it was gonna work.

Joe Rogan 49:09 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 49:09 I bought it 'cause I believed in home ownership. The point is that I just think you have to look into this. It's not my job-

Joe Rogan 49:14 Yes.

Tim Dillon 49:14 ... to have every fact before I speak.

Joe Rogan 49:18 But-

Tim Dillon 49:18 Not ... It's not, it's not my job.

Joe Rogan 49:19 When you talk about Bill Gates and vaccines and things along those lines, you probably should-

Tim Dillon 49:24 If Bill Gates wants to tweet at me and educate me later-

Joe Rogan 49:26 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 49:27 ... @TimJayDeLay, we can do that.

Joe Rogan 49:27 You know what the real, the real fear ... the real fear is that they're practicing with these vaccines on poor people. That's what people are terrified of.

Tim Dillon 49:33 Well, that's what they're doing. That's what they're doing. What ... They're doing it and they-

Joe Rogan 49:36 Yeah, but that's what they're- yeah.

Tim Dillon 49:36 They call the school a tribal girls' school.

Joe Rogan 49:39 I know, tribal.

Tim Dillon 49:40 Tribal girls' school. What kinda ... I mean-

Joe Rogan 49:43 Gotta go back to, like-

Tim Dillon 49:43 ... it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 49:44 ... Native Americans.

Tim Dillon 49:45 I mean, Bill Gates wouldn't be doing that in Bel Air or Beverly Hills.

Joe Rogan 49:48 He should.

Tim Dillon 49:49 You know? I agree.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Just grab kids.

Tim Dillon 49:51 Start grabbing those TikTokers and fucking put needles in their face.

Joe Rogan 49:53 Grab those little Beverly Hills kids-

Tim Dillon 49:55 I don't-

Joe Rogan 49:55 ... that's at private schools and just start shooting that HPV virus into them.

Tim Dillon 49:56 I walk around there every day and those little pieces of shit-

Joe Rogan 49:59 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 50:00 ... give me a fucking look 'cause they know I shouldn't be there, but it's close to my house. We have to walk.

Joe Rogan 50:04 Right.

Tim Dillon 50:04 We have to walk and get air and just see other people.

Joe Rogan 50:07 Beverly Hills is so weird because anybody could just drive through it.

Tim Dillon 50:10 I know.

Joe Rogan 50:11 It's not blocked off, but-

Tim Dillon 50:12 I know, but I like that, 'cause New York's-

Joe Rogan 50:13 You go-

Tim Dillon 50:13 ... like that.

Joe Rogan 50:14 But you'll drive by these houses that are worth $30 million-

Tim Dillon 50:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:18 ... and you're like, "Look at that."

Tim Dillon 50:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:19 "It's right there. It's $30 million."

Tim Dillon 50:20 I know.

Joe Rogan 50:20 "I could throw a rock."

Tim Dillon 50:21 Yeah, but they ... You know what it is? Gated communities ruin the fun for people like me that wanna just appreciate other people's wealth. Why-

Joe Rogan 50:29 You say that until you get rich.

Tim Dillon 50:31 Why can't ... I know.

Joe Rogan 50:32 Once you get rich, you'll be living right next door to me.

Tim Dillon 50:34 I, I-

Joe Rogan 50:35 You're gonna come over and ask for sugar.

Tim Dillon 50:36 Absolutely- if I'm allowed.

Joe Rogan 50:37 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 50:37 If they'll allow me, by the way.

Joe Rogan 50:38 Why wouldn't they?

Tim Dillon 50:38 You might have to ... You might have to vouch for me with the condo board.

Joe Rogan 50:41 Oh, I'll call.

Tim Dillon 50:41 Not the condo board.

Joe Rogan 50:42 I'll talk to the people.

Tim Dillon 50:42 Whatever, the people.

Joe Rogan 50:43 I'll talk to the people, the homeowners' association.

Tim Dillon 50:45 But here's the deal. W- I wanna go out and get ... When I was a little kid, we would smoke pot and we'd drive around these big areas and we get inspired. And we'd look at big houses and mansions and we'd get inspired.

Joe Rogan 50:52 How'd that work out for you?

Tim Dillon 50:53 None of us succeeded.

Joe Rogan 50:54 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 50:54 The point is, it's nice to see (laughs) ... It's nice to see Christmas lights on a big mansion. You shouldn't be stopped at a gate.

Joe Rogan 51:05 But what if you're a fucking psychopath?

Tim Dillon 51:06 Well, that's a problem.

Joe Rogan 51:07 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 51:08 That's a problem.

Joe Rogan 51:09 I don't wanna have to wait in the front of my house with a gun all night.

Tim Dillon 51:11 But you're famous. It's different. Rich people, no one's coming to kill regular rich people.

Joe Rogan 51:15 Uh, do you know, did you hear what happened with Sebastian's cousin who has the exact same name as him?

Tim Dillon 51:19 Listen, I don't wanna say-

Joe Rogan 51:20 Do you know what happened?

Tim Dillon 51:21 Yeah, but is that, is that-

Joe Rogan 51:22 I, I talked to Sebastian about it.

Tim Dillon 51:23 Is it totally random?

Joe Rogan 51:25 Some guy came into-

Tim Dillon 51:26 That's so weird, dude.

Joe Rogan 51:27 Two guys came to his house. They br- he ... They rang the doorbell with masks on.

Tim Dillon 51:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:32 Like, fucking COVID masks.

Tim Dillon 51:33 Okay.

Joe Rogan 51:34 He opened the door up.

Tim Dillon 51:34 Smart.

Joe Rogan 51:35 And they rushed the house, but his cousin knows how to fight.

Tim Dillon 51:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:38 So his cousin beat the fuck out of one of them. You can wa- shi- I'll send you the Zoom-

Tim Dillon 51:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:42 ... doorbell video footage-

Tim Dillon 51:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:44 ... of it. Beats the fuck out of one of them in the front of the house, goes inside and kills the other guy.

Tim Dillon 51:48 Crazy dude. You think there were lot-

Joe Rogan 51:49 The guy had a gun. The guy had a gun.

Tim Dillon 51:51 Was it a big hou- It's just, they just-

Joe Rogan 51:52 It was a nice house.

Tim Dillon 51:53 Yeah, no- Yeah, no.

Joe Rogan 51:54 They, they, the guy had ... They had duct tape, they had tasers, they had all kinds of shit.

Tim Dillon 51:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:57 They were planning on home invading and killing some people.

Tim Dillon 52:00 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 52:00 Yeah, Jesus Christ.

Tim Dillon 52:01 That-

Joe Rogan 52:01 Just random in the middle-

Tim Dillon 52:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:02 ... of the day, by the way.

Tim Dillon 52:03 You gotta have ... Well, yeah. You gotta have guns and locks and-

Joe Rogan 52:05 He answered the doorbell-

Tim Dillon 52:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:06 ... because he thought it was his gardener coming back. 'Cause the gardener was there and then the doorbell rang and he assumed it was his gardener coming back.

Tim Dillon 52:13 Right. I mean-

Joe Rogan 52:13 And the guy has the same name as Sebastian.

Tim Dillon 52:15 But if we ... Yeah, but then we'll put gates everywhere. Then everyone's gonna have a gate. I mean, I- it's just one e- I mean, that's an example, you know?

Joe Rogan 52:21 Well, I'm just saying that sometimes people's houses get broken into and this is one thing that you have to think about, really think about-

Tim Dillon 52:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:27 ... with this economy going into the fucking toilet.

Tim Dillon 52:30 It's gonna be bad. It's-

Joe Rogan 52:31 It's going to be bad.

Tim Dillon 52:33 30%, they said, unempl- 60 million people filed unemployment claims. It's gonna get rough.

Joe Rogan 52:37 Well, also the businesses hasn't even, haven't even shut down yet.

Tim Dillon 52:41 Correct.

Joe Rogan 52:41 The businesses that can't get out of this-

Tim Dillon 52:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:43 ... haven't even realized they can't get out of this yet.

Tim Dillon 52:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:46 Some of them have, but I think a large percentage of them are still trying to keep it together.

Tim Dillon 52:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:51 We don't know. So when they go under, all the people that were working for them go under.

Tim Dillon 52:54 It's gonna be very bad. I have a, I have an apartment on the first floor with a s-

Joe Rogan 52:58 Don't tell anybody.

Tim Dillon 52:58 ... sliding glass door.

Joe Rogan 53:00 Jesus. Why you telling people?

Tim Dillon 53:00 I want people to come in and kill me.

Joe Rogan 53:02 Do you have a gun?

Tim Dillon 53:02 I want people to kill me.

Joe Rogan 53:03 Why?

Tim Dillon 53:03 Um, no, I'm kidding. I want them to just come in and, and-

Joe Rogan 53:05 Bill Gates is gonna kill you.

Tim Dillon 53:07 ... do, and do podcasts.

Joe Rogan 53:07 He's gonna stick HIV vaccine right in your ass.

Tim Dillon 53:09 Listen, buddy, I have a concern for the tribal girls in India. I apologize.

Joe Rogan 53:13 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 53:13 I'm sorry about that. I'm sorry I haven't forgotten the tribal women in India-

Joe Rogan 53:18 (laughs) What was the province again?

Tim Dillon 53:20 ... who no one speaks except me, Gwa'Xaba.

Joe Rogan 53:22 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 53:22 And the thing ... (laughs) These are good girls. And they're ... Yes, they're whores and yes, they have A-

Joe Rogan 53:27 No.

Tim Dillon 53:27 Well, HPV, right?

Joe Rogan 53:29 Well, they're just keeping them from getting it from dirty people like you.

Tim Dillon 53:32 I support tribal whores. The point is this.

Joe Rogan 53:36 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 53:38 (laughs) I'm as worried about, uh, uh, getting robbed as anyone, because desperate criminals will rob me.

Joe Rogan 53:44 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 53:44 Good criminals will rob you or try. Desperate people will rob me.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Well, people are gonna rob because they need money. I mean-

Tim Dillon 53:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:51 We're, we're in a weird place where-... the- look, if you're in Brazil, Brazil's a good example.

Tim Dillon 53:57 Yes.

Joe Rogan 53:57 You have a lot of haves and a lot of have-nots. And if, when you go there, one of the things you see is barbed wire around people's houses and long, like, little, b- tall fences and walls, and then a-

Tim Dillon 54:07 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 54:07 ... barbed wire on top of it. And then above that, in the favelas, you see houses with no windows and dirt floors. It's crazy.

Tim Dillon 54:15 Wow.

Joe Rogan 54:15 And they come down from the favelas, rob the rich people, and go back up.

Tim Dillon 54:19 Wow.

Joe Rogan 54:19 And when the- and the economy crashes, the crime rises radically.

Tim Dillon 54:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:23 So Brazil was doing really well for a while, and then it went to shit. And so they're in a bad place now, and the crime has really ridden to the point-

Tim Dillon 54:30 I should get a gun.

Joe Rogan 54:31 My ... Oh yeah, for sure.

Tim Dillon 54:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:33 But my jujitsu instructor won't even go ... He's from Rio. He won't even go back to Rio.

Tim Dillon 54:37 Really?

Joe Rogan 54:38 He's like- he's like, "It's too dangerous."

Tim Dillon 54:39 It's too dangerous. And-

Joe Rogan 54:40 "It's too much danger, my friend."

Tim Dillon 54:40 Yeah, they'll kidnap you. If they know you're American or live here, they might kidnap you, try to get money.

Joe Rogan 54:44 Could, could. Well, when I used to do, uh, uh, the UFC down there, it was fine. It, it hadn't gotten that bad yet. Look, Brazil's great. There's a lot of great things in Brazil. The food there is fantastic. You ever have Brazilian barbecue?

Tim Dillon 54:55 It's amazing. The churrasco area.

Joe Rogan 54:57 Two house steakhouses and all that?

Tim Dillon 54:58 Yeah, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 54:58 It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's ... And the fucking views, it's like it's- there's so many good things.

Tim Dillon 55:03 Do you think we're sliding into that? Do you think there's a chance America's sliding into one of those countries where ... Is this economic collapse gonna be too much, do you think? You know?

Joe Rogan 55:12 I don't know. I mean, this is-

Tim Dillon 55:12 Yeah, no one knows.

Joe Rogan 55:13 This is what's interesting about this, in a bad way.

Tim Dillon 55:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:15 It's like, hmm, who knows, man? Who knows? You know, it's all weird. It's all weird because we're in uncharted territory. We've never, in the history of this country, had a month where everybody was locked down and stayed inside. There was some lockdowns apparently in 1918 during the Spanish flu, but that was, uh ... You know, it's hard to know what the difference was between then and, you know, when they were locked down, wh- whether they wore masks, you know?

Tim Dillon 55:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:45 You'd have to go back and ... I know at least for the last 100 years, there's been nothing like this, so we don't really know what the fuck we're talking about.

Tim Dillon 55:52 We also don't know what's gonna happen when they- when they fling open the barn doors-

Joe Rogan 55:55 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 55:55 ... and say the quarantine's over.

Joe Rogan 55:56 Sure, look what's happening in China.

Tim Dillon 55:57 Are people gonna go out? Yeah. Are people- yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:58 In China, people are catching it again. I mean, it's-

Tim Dillon 56:00 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 56:00 They're having second waves. Yeah.

Tim Dillon 56:03 Wow.

Joe Rogan 56:04 I know.

Tim Dillon 56:04 I mean, I don't know. I mean, I- I tend to think that people ... You know, they did a study in Ohio. Ohio didn't have an o- and I have the facts. Ohio didn't have it.

Joe Rogan 56:12 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 56:13 Ohio- Ohio, you can look it up, they didn't officially close restaurants till the 25th, but for the 10 days prior to that, 10 to 15 days prior, foot traffic had dropped 50%.

Joe Rogan 56:22 Mm.

Tim Dillon 56:22 So people didn't need an order or a law saying not to go out.

Joe Rogan 56:25 They were scared.

Tim Dillon 56:26 They were scared. And if that-

Joe Rogan 56:29 I went out on the 14th.

Tim Dillon 56:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:29 I went out on the 14th. I, uh, I ate at this, uh, restaurant in Venice, Felix, my favorite restaurant.

Tim Dillon 56:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:36 And, uh, it was still pretty crowded.

Tim Dillon 56:39 It was fine.

Joe Rogan 56:39 Me and my wife were like this, like, "Uh, is this okay?"

Tim Dillon 56:42 I'm trying to think. One of the la- one of the last places I was in was a comedy store on that Monday night, and I did an OR spot and I was making fun of the virus.

Joe Rogan 56:50 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 56:51 I was making fun of it. I said that like, I was like, "Oh, there was an Asian lady on my plane. She coughed and we all beat the shit out of her." And everyone was laughing, and it was fun.

Joe Rogan 56:59 Sounds racist.

Tim Dillon 57:00 And it wa- well, it was, and it was funny. And those are often ... They dovetail.

Joe Rogan 57:05 Yeah. They dovetail.

Tim Dillon 57:05 Um, they dovetail. That's what it is, you know? -Isms are funny, you know?

Joe Rogan 57:10 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 57:10 Um, and then- and then I got off stage and the Asians loved it. They were laughing. We all laughed 'cause nobody thought this was gonna happen.

Joe Rogan 57:16 Well also, no one thought-

Tim Dillon 57:16 Nobody thought it was gonna be-

Joe Rogan 57:17 ... you really beat the fuck out of anybody. It was obviously joking around.

Tim Dillon 57:19 No. No, of course, that's what comedy is. So they- you know, people in the room know that. You know, if somebody had written about it, they would've been like, "This is inappropriate."

Joe Rogan 57:26 Well, that following Friday-

Tim Dillon 57:27 But-

Joe Rogan 57:27 ... I was supposed to do, uh, a show in the main room. No, not Friday, Thursday. And they called me up and said, "We are going to shut down the main room." I was supposed to do two shows.

Tim Dillon 57:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:40 "We're gonna shut down the main room and cancel your shows, and, uh, we're only gonna open the OR because the governor has asked that groups o- of more than 200 people-"

Tim Dillon 57:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:50 "... should- should be banned."

Tim Dillon 57:51 Such a weird arbitrary number, but they were-

Joe Rogan 57:53 I know.

Tim Dillon 57:53 ... just trying to do anything they could do.

Joe Rogan 57:54 'Cause that's ... The thing about this, when you talk about how Trump should've known better, this was our own governor who's very conservative now about this. Not- not conservative, obviously liberal, but conservative about-

Tim Dillon 58:04 Strict.

Joe Rogan 58:04 ... the moves that we make.

Tim Dillon 58:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:06 And this was in the beginning of Mar- in the middle of March, in fact. They were still saying groups of 200 people, in March.

Tim Dillon 58:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:13 So this is all fucking touch and go. And-

Tim Dillon 58:15 It's new.

Joe Rogan 58:15 ... I don't think it's helping anybody, all this fucking pointing the finger and blaming this person-

Tim Dillon 58:19 No, but I think you gotta-

Joe Rogan 58:20 ... and blaming that person.

Tim Dillon 58:20 No, but you do have to look at a system and go, "We weren't prepared."

Joe Rogan 58:23 Yeah, for sure.

Tim Dillon 58:24 "We should've been better prepared." Right?

Joe Rogan 58:26 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 58:26 We- we- he- it's Trump to get rid of a pandemic team, which I get it. If I had been the president, I probably would've gotten rid of them too. Doctors suck, scientists suck. So Trump was like, "Get 'em outta here." He did get rid of that team. And-

Joe Rogan 58:36 But was that his call?

Tim Dillon 58:38 Well, it's his government. When you're the president-

Joe Rogan 58:39 But did he-

Tim Dillon 58:40 ... you have to take-

Joe Rogan 58:40 Hold on, but did he do that?

Tim Dillon 58:41 I'm sure he signed off on it.

Joe Rogan 58:42 But I'm hearing that there was something where they did shut down the pandemic-

Tim Dillon 58:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:47 ... office, but I don't know the facts.

Tim Dillon 58:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:49 But I do know that they reopened this ... They had a virus hunting organization that literally their- their- their job is to hunt viruses, to find out-

Tim Dillon 58:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:57 ... where viruses are coming from. And they just funded the shit out of them.

Tim Dillon 59:00 I mean, that sounds like a fun reality show.

Joe Rogan 59:02 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 59:02 Virus Hunters.

Joe Rogan 59:03 Well, the s- here's the thing, dude. It's like, this is ... We're- we're dealing with one version of this.

Tim Dillon 59:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:08 This could get worse. This could be a new one next year. There could be-

Tim Dillon 59:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:11 ... another one the year afterwards.

Tim Dillon 59:12 It could just be our new reality, just pandemic after pandemic.

Joe Rogan 59:15 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 59:16 Whenever civil unrest starts happening in the streets, they just go, "Here's a new pandemic."

Joe Rogan 59:19 Well, the problem is-

Tim Dillon 59:20 Bat flu number two.

Joe Rogan 59:22 ... the problem is when you get large groups of people, right, you're gonna have large groups of people that need food.

Tim Dillon 59:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:28 And then you have factory farming. So factory farming is the cause of a lot of these pandemics.

Tim Dillon 59:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:33 And then this fucking wet market is real similar in that regard, 'cause you've seen the-

Tim Dillon 59:38 This has been a big-

Joe Rogan 59:39 ... diseases jump.

Tim Dillon 59:40 The vegans are kinda-This is a, this is a decent time, right? To make that point.

Joe Rogan 59:44 Except for their immune systems.

Tim Dillon 59:46 Right. They're making-

Joe Rogan 59:47 Th-the, yeah.

Tim Dillon 59:47 ... they're making that vegan point. They're, they're-

Joe Rogan 59:49 Not, not-

Tim Dillon 59:50 No?

Joe Rogan 59:50 Well, in terms of, like, the cultivation-

Tim Dillon 59:52 They're fighting.

Joe Rogan 59:52 No. What, who's got the best point is the regenerative farming people.

Tim Dillon 59:55 Okay.

Joe Rogan 59:56 The, the Joel Salatin people that have figured out a way, not only to sequester carbon, but actually they're taking carbon out of the air and reintroducing all these ancient farming methods where they're moving cows around at different plots and, you, and you know-

Tim Dillon 1:00:13 Are the wet markets factory farming, though? That seems pretty independent.

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 No, it's not factory farming.

Tim Dillon 1:00:18 Okay, but, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 But it's animals i- in confinement.

Tim Dillon 1:00:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 And surrounded by other animals living in these unnatural environments.

Tim Dillon 1:00:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 That's what it is.

Tim Dillon 1:00:26 Can they-

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 Wet, wet markets are foul.

Tim Dillon 1:00:27 But can you avoid that, when you gotta feed a population like that?

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Well, Osterholm, yeah, you can feed them bugs.

Tim Dillon 1:00:32 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 Osterholm, uh, had a whole ... He was the guy that scared the fuck out of everybody when he came on my podcast, but-

Tim Dillon 1:00:37 Terrified me.

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 He has a whole section in this book that he wrote from three years ago-

Tim Dillon 1:00:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 ... from 2017, about wet markets and how the next pandemic's gonna come out of a wet market.

Tim Dillon 1:00:46 So we gotta shut 'em ... We gotta try to persuade China to shut them down.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 They're not going to. (hands clap) You know what they did say?

Tim Dillon 1:00:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 They're taking dogs off the livestock listing. Like, "Yay, you guys are doing good."

Tim Dillon 1:00:56 Oh, that's nice. What about bats? Get the bats out of there!

Joe Rogan 1:01:00 But, I mean, they're, it's almost like they're throwing people a bone.

Tim Dillon 1:01:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 Like, "Hey, we're gonna, we're gonna s- we're gonnas-"

Tim Dillon 1:01:05 "No, dogs." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 "We're gonna stop considering dogs livestock." Like, "Oh, you guys are amazing."

Tim Dillon 1:01:09 And also, they're not. They're definitely not.

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 Well, neither, you know-

Tim Dillon 1:01:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 But they eat them.

Tim Dillon 1:01:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 Right? Wheat, pigs. Pigs are pretty smart.

Tim Dillon 1:01:17 I don't judge them because they need to eat, right?

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:01:19 So if, if, if I was really hungry and I had to eat a dog, I would eat a dog. I mean, these are just things that we would have to do. It's easy for me to say. But that's ... It's a lot more normal to eat a dog than to do what they do in Manhattan, which is put them in strollers and pretend they're children.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:01:33 That's a little freakier to me than a wet market, is seeing, like, two 30-year-olds walking down the block with a fucking Chihuahua in a, in a bassinet, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 Have you seen that?

Tim Dillon 1:01:42 Yeah, of course. All over New York, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 Really?

Tim Dillon 1:01:44 Yeah. People have, like, "I'm a cat mom."

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 They put Chihuahuas in strollers?

Tim Dillon 1:01:47 "I'm a dog mom. Here's my-"

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 Oh, that dog mom stuff is so sad.