Joe Rogan Experience #1457 - Tim Dillon

1. 0:00 – 2:39

   Antibody test anticipation, Alex Jones texts, and early COVID origin theories

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (taps finger) Three, two, one. Later today, (taps finger) young Tim Dillon will find out whether or not he has the antibodies.

   2. TDTim Dillon0:07

      Yes. Yes. And if I do, I'm going to Wuhan to do a, like, a fun little video in a wet market-

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      (laughs)

   4. TDTim Dillon0:15

      ... and eat a bat. If I have the antibodies, it's not-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      I don't-

   6. TDTim Dillon0:18

      It's okay. Is it safe?

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      I don't know what this is.

   8. TDTim Dillon0:21

      Yeah, no one knows. We've never been in a time-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      Yeah.

   10. TDTim Dillon0:23

       ... where literally nobody knows.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       I have a string of text messages from, uh, Alex Jones-

   12. TDTim Dillon0:28

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       ... like, uh, that will, uh, change your opinion if you, if you smoke enough weed. And you don't smoke weed. Were you ever a weed smoker?

   14. TDTim Dillon0:34

       I smoked a lot of weed for a very long time.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       But were you-

   16. TDTim Dillon0:37

       That's when I discovered Alex Jones-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       (laughs)

   18. TDTim Dillon0:39

       ... when I was 13 when I was smoking weed listening to him on the GCN network.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       But when you got clean, it wasn't weed that was a problem, right? It was-

   20. TDTim Dillon0:45

       No, it was the cocaine and the-

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Yeah.

   22. TDTim Dillon0:47

       ... the booze and the pills, but weed was always there.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       I've never been a cocaine user.

   24. TDTim Dillon0:51

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       I've never used it, but I do love that Buckcherry song.

   26. TDTim Dillon0:54

       Oh, yeah, it's great.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       (laughs)

   28. TDTim Dillon0:55

       It's great.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       It almost makes you wanna-

   30. TDTim Dillon0:57

       Yeah.
2. 2:39 – 4:01

   Tracing outbreaks and the fear of phone-based surveillance

   1. JVJamie Vernon2:39

      Uh, they do some sort of tracing, right? 'Cause that's the new-

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:42

      Yeah.

   3. JVJamie Vernon2:43

      ... hot topic of Google and-

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:44

      Yeah.

   5. JVJamie Vernon2:45

      ... Apple working together to get tracing software.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:47

      See, that's, that's what scares me. We, we talked about that the other day. If you have to have everything on your phone, like-

   7. TDTim Dillon2:51

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:52

      ... showing that you're positive-

   9. TDTim Dillon2:53

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       ... and be ... You know, you have to have a phone everywhere.

   11. TDTim Dillon2:55

       You'll have a car. You have to take out your car that you're positive to get into Applebee's.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       Yeah. Adam Curry-

   13. TDTim Dillon2:59

       You have antibodies.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:00

       ... sent me this, this whole thing saying this is why I have a flip phone.

   15. TDTim Dillon3:04

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:05

       Adam, you know Adam Curry?

   17. TDTim Dillon3:05

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:06

       The, the original Podfather.

   19. TDTim Dillon3:07

       And he's saying that he won't-

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:08

       He won't do it. Yeah, "Most coronavirus cases in New York City can be traced back to Europe, not Asia, research shows." What does the research show? What does it say?

   21. TDTim Dillon3:16

       I mean-

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       "Research tracking the spread of coronavirus determined that the virus has been circulating in New York City for a couple months, since before the testing began. Genetic sequencing of virus samples indicates that most of the early cases in New York originated in Europe, not Asia, so it's some sort of genetic sequencing. Research teams studied samples of the virus taken from 91 New York patients." Uh, "As viruses evolve during transmission from person to person, their sequences can help research..." This is what scares the fuck out of me, just that statement, "As viruses evolve-

   23. TDTim Dillon3:43

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       ... during transmission." These fucking things, they morph and twist.

   25. TDTim Dillon3:47

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:47

       It seems like it's almost like a different thing with different people. Like, I was reading about George Stephanopoulos and his-

   27. TDTim Dillon3:53

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       ... his wife. He has it, his wife has it. His wife is deathly ill. He doesn't feel a goddamn thing.

   29. TDTim Dillon3:59

       That's crazy.

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:00

       Yeah.

3. 4:01 – 7:09

   Media clickbait, TikTok nurses, and public whiplash about what’s real

   1. TDTim Dillon4:01

      Well, they're, they're also ... The media's not helping.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:03

      No.

   3. TDTim Dillon4:03

      Because the- there's a lot of ... They're circulating these, uh, stories that aren't necessarily the truth or they're not ... Like, the media will be like, "Coronavirus lives 13 feet away from you." And then you read the article, and buried in the article, the- they go, "Well, doctors don't really know if these particles are infectious." Or ... So it's like, why do you have an article where the boldface headline is, "Coronavirus 13 Feet Away, 19 Feet Away," and then in the article you go, "Well, you haven't even determined if you can get-"

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:33

      It's very irresponsible.

   5. TDTim Dillon4:34

      "... sick." Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:34

      But that's what they do today.

   7. TDTim Dillon4:36

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:36

      The n- news is strange today-

   9. TDTim Dillon4:38

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:38

       ... because they're just trying to sell papers or-

   11. TDTim Dillon4:40

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       ... not papers, you know, they're-

   13. TDTim Dillon4:42

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:42

       ... trying to sell clicks.

   15. TDTim Dillon4:43

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:43

       They, they want people to pay attention to their articles, so everything's clickbait.

   17. TDTim Dillon4:46

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       It's fucking real weird, man. It's-

   19. TDTim Dillon4:48

       And then the other half of that is nobody, the guys who don't believe anything, whether they're on Twitter ... A nurse will put something on Twitter. She's like, "You know, uh, you know, it's been a rough day." And she's crying. And then the first tweet, a guy's like, "Liar." It's like, oh my God.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:00

       Oh my God.

   21. TDTim Dillon5:00

       There are people that are like, "You're a liar. I know what's going on." I'm like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:03

       "You're a conflict actor."

   23. TDTim Dillon5:04

       Yeah, "You're a crisis actor."

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       Oh, crisis actor.

   25. TDTim Dillon5:07

       "Show me the wards." Like, there's people being de- demanded-

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       Oh my God.

   27. TDTim Dillon5:09

       ... to get into ERs, you know. They're like, "Show me the ER."

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       Well, then there's-

   29. TDTim Dillon5:13

       "It's like, God."

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:14

       Then there's TikTok nurses. See-
4. 7:09 – 12:24

   Lockdowns as a tool of control: 9/11 parallels, checkpoints, and China’s model

   1. TDTim Dillon7:09

      Well, it's interesting. It's like, I also think about... And I'm not saying the virus is- is not orga-... I mean, I don't know, you know? I mean, people say it could be manmade. But look at the world before this happened, right? You had the yellow vest protests in France.

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:22

      Right.

   3. TDTim Dillon7:23

      You had the Hong Kong protest. You had a lot of populist movements, a lot of uprisings in first-world countries like France. You saw things happening that you didn't see before. And after the virus, you know, a- after this has gotten bad, now that's impossible. I mean, you can't-

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:41

      I think it's-

   5. TDTim Dillon7:41

      ... protest, you can't do anything now. You can't leave your house.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:44

      Yes.

   7. TDTim Dillon7:44

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:44

      But I think it's way more likely that what we're dealing with is just a virus-

   9. TDTim Dillon7:50

      Sure.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:50

       ... and that this-

   11. TDTim Dillon7:51

       Sure.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:51

       ... is the consequences of the virus is that things are getting locked down.

   13. TDTim Dillon7:53

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:54

       Wh- wh- what's really bothering me is, uh, this idea that once you get control of people, that they're not gonna let go, that if- if they start taking away civil liberties, if they started mov- moving you through checkpoints when you want to travel-

   15. TDTim Dillon8:11

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:11

       ... and you have to... and you're on your car, you have to wait and they have to, you know, scan you or check your temperature, like, (sharp inhale) that stuff... I mean, are they gonna let that go once a- a vaccine gets through?

   17. TDTim Dillon8:21

       No. I mean, it's like 9/11. N- uh, uh, all of that is still left in place, right? All the- the- all the powers-

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:26

       The Patriot Act.

   19. TDTim Dillon8:27

       Yeah, all the powers that the federal government gave themselves after 9/11 have only been expanded in the years since. Obama only expanded Bush-era-

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:37

       Mm-hmm.

   21. TDTim Dillon8:37

       ... you know, executive power, and he's been able to do... And now everybody's, like, concerned now, but it's like, the time to be concerned was probably a long time ago.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:44

       Yeah.

   23. TDTim Dillon8:45

       You know? Because now these things have become so big and so Orwellian, like, I mean, you know. But yeah, this is gonna be a problem. Do you... I think it'll be possible that you won't be able to get into maybe a sporting event or a concert without walking through, like, some type of infrared sensor that detects if you have a fever.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:00

       Yeah, for sure.

   25. TDTim Dillon9:01

       You know?

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:01

       They're gonna... Well, they're doing it in China. In China-

   27. TDTim Dillon9:03

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:04

       ... they're- they're testing your temperature.

   29. TDTim Dillon9:05

       The fever gun.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:05

       Yeah, they have a little gun and te- test your forehead.
5. 12:24 – 14:28

   Who we’re protecting: essential workers, age risk, and what ‘caring’ looks like

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:24

      I know that we, we do care about people, but we also have, you know, a lot of people going out exposed, working in, you know, supermarkets, places like that, and we're not doing anything for them. You know?

   2. TDTim Dillon12:36

      Well, they're wearing masks.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:37

      So, it's like w- well-

   4. TDTim Dillon12:37

      What are we doing for them?

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:38

      Some of them, some of them don't have masks. I mean, I think that like-

   6. TDTim Dillon12:40

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:40

      ... those people should get paid, you know, holiday pay or extra pay.

   8. TDTim Dillon12:44

      Hazard pay.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:44

      You know, they should be given the, the correct ... the right equipment. They should probably get some l- you know, they should probably give them some low interest rate loans. You know? Something-

   10. TDTim Dillon12:53

       I think this is just a function of the fact that the supermarkets weren't prepared for a pandemic.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:56

       Yeah.

   12. TDTim Dillon12:57

       I don't think it's they don't care. But they're also ... I, I think if you just look at the fact that we shut everything down, well, why did we shut everything down? We shut everything down to protect old people. This is, this is the whole idea behind this.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:08

       Yeah.

   14. TDTim Dillon13:08

       Old people and vulnerable people.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:10

       Right.

   16. TDTim Dillon13:10

       And yeah, I know some young people die, but it's a very low percentage.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:13

       Yes. It's m- mainly old people.

   18. TDTim Dillon13:14

       It's ma- mainly old people and they, they did a thing on California, how many people died. We have a very low number of people that have died.

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       Yeah.

   20. TDTim Dillon13:21

       I think it was something like 30 people died yesterday.

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:23

       Yeah.

   22. TDTim Dillon13:23

       And that was the high.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:24

       Yeah. That's not, that's not bad.

   24. TDTim Dillon13:26

       No. It's not.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:27

       It's far less than-

   26. TDTim Dillon13:27

       And most of them were 80-

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:28

       ... people who would have died had we let everyone out of their houses.

   28. TDTim Dillon13:31

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:32

       Yeah.

   30. TDTim Dillon13:32

       Most of them were like 65 to 80 and a few of them, like a couple, were 40 to 60.
6. 14:28 – 20:02

   Reinfection fears, antibody meaning, and early treatment talk (hydroxychloroquine, ibuprofen)

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:28

      I don't believe that they know whether or not you can catch this thing twice.

   2. TDTim Dillon14:31

      I know. That's true. So, but mostly-

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:34

      You know, in China-

   4. TDTim Dillon14:34

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:34

      ... people have tested twice.

   6. TDTim Dillon14:36

      Well, that could've been a false positive on either end.

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:38

      Or it could be that you get it again.

   8. TDTim Dillon14:40

      It's true.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:41

      Yeah. I don't think they know yet.

   10. TDTim Dillon14:42

       That's true.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:43

       Look, if this really is some sort of a manmade concocted virus (sighs) , maybe that makes sense. Maybe that makes sense that that's why it's acting so weird. It's different in different people.

   12. TDTim Dillon14:54

       They don't understand it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:56

       I mean, or maybe it's just a really particular, peculiar virus.

   14. TDTim Dillon15:00

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:00

       You know? And that's why it can come back.

   16. TDTim Dillon15:02

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:03

       They don't know.

   18. TDTim Dillon15:04

       They don't know.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:04

       But they do know that ... This, I mean, this is a big NPR article. People are testing positive again who had been confirmed as negative in Wuhan.

   20. TDTim Dillon15:11

       I think it c- yeah. In China and then Korea, they had a few of those cases. Um, I trust-

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       I mean, the Korean one's way more than the Chinese ones.

   22. TDTim Dillon15:18

       South Korea, yeah. The South Korea said 14% or something amount of people seem to have tested positive again. Which, I mean, which is scary 'cause that could be another strain.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       Or it could be like herpes. It stays in your system-

   24. TDTim Dillon15:29

       It ju-

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       ... and pops out again. Like when your immune system is down.

   26. TDTim Dillon15:31

       Or if we've all had it in five years, we're all gonna die.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       You know, my buddy, Justin Wren, he runs this, um, uh, he has this n- nonprofit charity organization, Fight For The Forgotten. They build wells for the pygmies in the Congo.

   28. TDTim Dillon15:43

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       And he got malaria when he was in the Congo and he got it again. He's got it three times. But he got it one time when he got sick when he's home. He got sick at home and the malaria-

   30. TDTim Dillon15:54

       With malaria?
7. 20:02 – 22:40

   Meghan McCain impressions, ‘woke’ backlash, and naming the virus (Chinese vs. Wuhan)

   1. TDTim Dillon20:02

      I want the antibodies so then Meghan McCain could go to Wuhan, eat a bat-

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:06

      (laughs)

   3. TDTim Dillon20:06

      ... eat a bat. That would be fun. Could I fly to China? Would I be allowed to fly to China if I had the antibodies and go, "I'm going to Wuhan"?

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:14

      You should do a comedy special as Meghan McCain.

   5. TDTim Dillon20:16

      I'm d- (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:18

      Your whole special as Meghan.

   7. TDTim Dillon20:18

      Dude, she'll ... She's already gonna have me killed. So I, I, I, I left her alone. She had a pregnancy announcement, I'm like, "I'm not gonna do a joke about that. God bless. Congrats." She hates me.

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:27

      Di- you think she does?

   9. TDTim Dillon20:28

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:28

       Just 'cause you blocked each other on Twitter?

   11. TDTim Dillon20:29

       I know somebody who knows her well, she doesn't like me. You know, it is what it is.

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:32

       (laughs)

   13. TDTim Dillon20:32

       I get it, it's fine.

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:33

       But I, I don't get it.

   15. TDTim Dillon20:34

       A lot of the people I've made fun of in that sense don't like me.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:37

       Okay, but you're-

   17. TDTim Dillon20:38

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan20:38

       ... not really her, okay?

   19. TDTim Dillon20:41

       I know.

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:41

       You're doing a character.

   21. TDTim Dillon20:42

       That is-

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:42

       It should be funny.

   23. TDTim Dillon20:43

       That is true. I agree, but people are very sensitive. (smacks lips) We live in a very sensitive world.

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:48

       I guess.

   25. TDTim Dillon20:49

       And I did say she wanted to have sex with her dad.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:52

       Yeah, but it was funny.

   27. TDTim Dillon20:52

       It's very funny. Um, but part of that-

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:55

       (laughs)

   29. TDTim Dillon20:55

       ... I think disturbed her. What made her mad, what made her mad is that she told a friend of mine, she goes, "I didn't like that he made fun of my weight," which is interesting. Because-

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:04

       Oh, that's hilarious.
8. 22:40 – 29:33

   Trump, WHO messaging, testing failures, and broken logistics for PPE and stimulus

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:40

      Yeah, but there's a clear reason why ... Look, Trump, first of all, they were in heated trade negotiations with China.

   2. TDTim Dillon22:46

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:47

      So he wants to rub it in their face, "China."

   4. TDTim Dillon22:49

      China, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:50

      China.

   6. TDTim Dillon22:50

      And he also wants to take, uh, attention away from the fact that we were not prepared-

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:55

      Right.

   8. TDTim Dillon22:55

      ... and he knew, and everyone knew. Not only him, Nancy Pelosi, uh, all of these people. All ... Even Fauci. All of these guys came out and said, "This is nothing to worry about." But Trump is the president, the buck stops with him. He could've ordered tests, he could've been more vigilant and he didn't do it. So I think he-

   9. JRJoe Rogan23:11

      Well, they were all-

   10. TDTim Dillon23:11

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan23:11

       ... saying not to worry about it. Everyone. The World Health Organization in January was saying that it does-

   12. TDTim Dillon23:16

       Yeah. Well, the CIA wrote him a memo.

   13. JRJoe Rogan23:18

       In January they were saying it does not transmit from person to person.

   14. TDTim Dillon23:21

       Yeah, but if you, listen. If you're skeptical of China and you're skeptical of the W- the World Health Organization, as he's, he's very skeptical of China, you gotta l-

   15. JRJoe Rogan23:29

       But, but ... Yeah.

   16. TDTim Dillon23:29

       You gotta l- yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan23:29

       But the World Health Organization up until then had not been criticized the way it's been criticized now.

   18. TDTim Dillon23:34

       Of course, but you still have to, I think, if you're the president and you're in a leadership position, you have to be like, "Wait a minute. What are we not knowing?" The CIA wrote him a memo saying this could be a big problem.

   19. JRJoe Rogan23:44

       Yeah.

   20. TDTim Dillon23:44

       I mean, we knew ... We were watching it happen for two months in another country.

   21. JRJoe Rogan23:48

       Mm-hmm.

   22. TDTim Dillon23:48

       We're watching this happen in China. And I'm not saying that he could've prevented a pandemic, but like, dude, get the tests. Give 'em to New York, give 'em to certain big areas, you know? Have ... Scale up the testing.

   23. JRJoe Rogan24:01

       So what does he think he did wrong?

   24. TDTim Dillon24:01

       Scale up the-

   25. JRJoe Rogan24:02

       He didn't scale up the testing?

   26. TDTim Dillon24:03

       I don't think he sca- No, he didn't scale up the testing.

   27. JRJoe Rogan24:05

       I don't know if it's h- First of all, is it him? W- Who ... Is he the one who does this?

   28. TDTim Dillon24:08

       He's the president, if he said-

   29. JRJoe Rogan24:10

       Okay, but stop.

   30. TDTim Dillon24:10

       Yeah. Yeah.
9. 29:33 – 34:09

   From comedy to subprime mortgages: Tim Dillon’s crash-era sales stories

   1. TDTim Dillon29:33

      Yeah, there's always the horrible... No, nobody... And I was in sales, nobody who ever made money gave you advice. They just walked by you like you didn't exist.

   2. JRJoe Rogan29:40

      (laughs)

   3. TDTim Dillon29:40

      Everyone who sits down... It's true.

   4. JRJoe Rogan29:43

      (laughs)

   5. TDTim Dillon29:44

      Everybody who's making money walks by you like you're not real. When, when, when somebody starts bullshitting, like in sales, I used to give people advice. I would close no deals. I'd make no money.

   6. JRJoe Rogan29:54

      (laughs)

   7. TDTim Dillon29:54

      I would literally make no money.

   8. JRJoe Rogan29:56

      What were you selling?

   9. TDTim Dillon29:56

      I was selling m- subprime mortgages.

   10. JRJoe Rogan29:58

       Oh, boy.

   11. TDTim Dillon29:59

       Yeah, but, but it, it was good for a while, and then the government got involved and ruined that.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:03

       S-

   13. TDTim Dillon30:04

       Ruined that. We were just trying to help people.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:06

       Yeah. (laughs)

   15. TDTim Dillon30:06

       And, uh, you know, we were. People deserve homes, Joe, whether they have jobs or not.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:11

       (laughs)

   17. TDTim Dillon30:11

       They deserve to have a pool.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:13

       They were giving people homes with no jobs.

   19. TDTim Dillon30:14

       Well, that's the other thing, and then everybody goes back and they're like, "Everybody was, you know, the, the banks robbed all these people." It's like, they were in on it. Everyone was in on it. Everybody buying a house, n- for the most part, knew what they were doing.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       Mmm.

   21. TDTim Dillon30:26

       They all knew.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       ... yeah.

   23. TDTim Dillon30:28

       Yeah, all the t- you would have to call somebody.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       They knew, but they thought they could pull it off. Like-

   25. TDTim Dillon30:31

       You'd have to call somebody and be like, "Hey, you know, you know, you know your brother owns a, a Toyota dealership in Queens. Can he say you work there?" And they'd go, "Yeah."

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       Yeah.

   27. TDTim Dillon30:38

       "Of course." Some guy would just write like, "Yeah, Sarah works here. She kills it. Makes eight grand a month slinging Toyotas on Northern Boulevard."

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       (laughs)

   29. TDTim Dillon30:46

       None of it was true. And then we'd give her a loan for $400,000.

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       And she'd buy a house.
10. 34:09 – 37:19

    Foreclosure, bankruptcy strategies, and why student loans are different

    1. JRJoe Rogan34:09

       I had a buddy of mine who knew that he was going to go bankrupt.

    2. TDTim Dillon34:13

       Yes.

    3. JRJoe Rogan34:13

       And this was in the '90s, like early 2000s.

    4. TDTim Dillon34:16

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan34:17

       So he decided what he was gonna do was get a bunch of credit cards and run them up like big time.

    6. TDTim Dillon34:22

       Good for him. That's the American dream.

    7. JRJoe Rogan34:24

       So what he did was just go to strip clubs-

    8. TDTim Dillon34:27

       Yeah. (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan34:27

       ... and, and go crazy with his credit cards for months and months and months and never paid anything.

    10. TDTim Dillon34:34

        Yeah, smart.

    11. JRJoe Rogan34:34

        And he knew what he was gonna do and then went bankrupt.

    12. TDTim Dillon34:36

        Listen, smart. Trump's done it a bunch. Like bankruptcy is the move if you, you know-

    13. JRJoe Rogan34:39

        Did he go bankrupt or did he file-

    14. TDTim Dillon34:41

        I didn't go bankrupt. His businesses went bankrupt. He filed chapter whatever it is.

    15. JRJoe Rogan34:44

        Yeah, Chapter 11.

    16. TDTim Dillon34:45

        But I mean, smart. A lot of people do it. It was just a way, it's the way to live.

    17. JRJoe Rogan34:49

        You know what's interesting? You can never do that with student loans.

    18. TDTim Dillon34:52

        Well, student loans because they think that whatever money you make in your life is the direct result of the money they gave you to get that degree. Even if, this is what's interesting, even if you're not doing anything that has anything to do with that degree, they're like, "Listen, fucker, we gave you that money so you could be a vet tech. So you're, you owe us. You wouldn't be doing your shitty job if not for Sallie Mae."

    19. JRJoe Rogan35:14

        I don't think they even think about it that way.

    20. TDTim Dillon35:15

        You don't think so?

    21. JRJoe Rogan35:16

        No, no. They just-

    22. TDTim Dillon35:17

        Well then what's the-

    23. JRJoe Rogan35:18

        Fuck you.

    24. TDTim Dillon35:19

        Yeah. Yeah, but that's part of-

    25. JRJoe Rogan35:19

        They just take you when you're a kid-

    26. TDTim Dillon35:21

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan35:21

        ... when you're, your fucking frontal lobe isn't fully formed-

    28. TDTim Dillon35:24

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan35:25

        ... and they force a loan onto you-

    30. TDTim Dillon35:26

        Yeah.
11. 37:19 – 39:44

    Online school, social development, and the weird outcomes of homeschooling

    1. JRJoe Rogan37:19

       Well, what I'm hoping is that it's going to be like ... Like, my kids right now are in virtual school.

    2. TDTim Dillon37:24

       Interesting.

    3. JRJoe Rogan37:25

       So, they're home and-

    4. TDTim Dillon37:26

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan37:26

       ... they're sitting in front of the computer and the teacher, like, gives them examples and they talk about things. The teacher can see them in little windows.

    6. TDTim Dillon37:33

       Oh, so the tea-

    7. JRJoe Rogan37:33

       It's, it's like-

    8. TDTim Dillon37:34

       Is it like Zoom?

    9. JRJoe Rogan37:35

       Yeah.

    10. TDTim Dillon37:35

        It's Zoom. Everything's on Zoom.

    11. JRJoe Rogan37:36

        And the teacher's-

    12. TDTim Dillon37:36

        Our whole life is on Zoom.

    13. JRJoe Rogan37:37

        The teacher can click on each individual person, see them full screen, and ask them about stuff. The kids can talk about it. They're in fr- It's real-

    14. TDTim Dillon37:45

        It's wild.

    15. JRJoe Rogan37:45

        It's real weird, man, because-

    16. TDTim Dillon37:46

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan37:47

        ... here's the thing. You know, uh, if you're paying whatever the fuck you're paying for, um, what, what is a ... Say if you're going to a real, g- going to Yale-

    18. TDTim Dillon37:58

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan37:58

        ... what does, what does that cost a year?

    20. TDTim Dillon37:59

        70 grand, 60 grand.

    21. JRJoe Rogan38:00

        Grand.

    22. TDTim Dillon38:00

        Something very expensive.

    23. JRJoe Rogan38:01

        A lot of these courses are available right now online.

    24. TDTim Dillon38:05

        So, you could just take a Yale course.

    25. JRJoe Rogan38:07

        Well, I know MIT has-

    26. TDTim Dillon38:08

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan38:08

        Didn't Lex Friedman talk about that? That the courses are all available online for free.

    28. TDTim Dillon38:14

        Interesting.

    29. JRJoe Rogan38:15

        So, you can go there in person, but that seems so retro.

    30. TDTim Dillon38:20

        Yeah.
12. 39:44 – 50:07

    Bill Gates, vaccine controversies, and billionaires shaping public policy

    1. TDTim Dillon39:44

       We gotta trust Bill and Melinda Gates, you know?

    2. JRJoe Rogan39:47

       What, with the vaccines?

    3. TDTim Dillon39:48

       I mean, they're going all over the third world sticking a needle in anything. I mean, those two-

    4. JRJoe Rogan39:51

       What are you talking about?

    5. TDTim Dillon39:52

       They are, they are.

    6. JRJoe Rogan39:53

       (laughs) They're trying to help people.

    7. TDTim Dillon39:53

       It's a fact.

    8. JRJoe Rogan39:55

       They're trying to use their m-

    9. TDTim Dillon39:56

       Sure, they're like, "Listen-"

    10. JRJoe Rogan39:57

        This is-

    11. TDTim Dillon39:57

        ... try to help people if it works.

    12. JRJoe Rogan39:58

        Pause, pause. What, what do you think would be their motive ... Well, first of all, Bill Gates literally has $90 billion. He's trying to do-

    13. TDTim Dillon40:06

        I'm not saying he can't.

    14. JRJoe Rogan40:07

        ... good things with his money and trying to use this money for philanthropy.

    15. TDTim Dillon40:11

        Sure.

    16. JRJoe Rogan40:11

        Yeah. But hold on. The idea that these fucking crackpot conspiracy theories have-

    17. TDTim Dillon40:15

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan40:15

        ... that Bill Gates is the antichrist-

    19. TDTim Dillon40:18

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan40:18

        ... because he wants to get people inoculated from vaccines-

    21. TDTim Dillon40:21

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan40:21

        ... v- v- with vaccines and viruses, that he's somehow or another trying to control people. Bill Gates has everything.

    23. TDTim Dillon40:28

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan40:28

        He doesn't need anything more.

    25. TDTim Dillon40:29

        I agree.

    26. JRJoe Rogan40:30

        He's not-

    27. TDTim Dillon40:30

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan40:30

        ... trying to get anything more.

    29. TDTim Dillon40:32

        Yep.

    30. JRJoe Rogan40:32

        He's making no attempts to control markets, no attempts to get to like $1,000 billion.
13. 50:07 – 1:03:22

    Wealth on display, home invasion fears, and crime in an economic collapse

    1. JRJoe Rogan50:07

       Beverly Hills is so weird because anybody could just drive through it.

    2. TDTim Dillon50:10

       I know.

    3. JRJoe Rogan50:11

       It's not blocked off, but-

    4. TDTim Dillon50:12

       I know, but I like that, 'cause New York's-

    5. JRJoe Rogan50:13

       You go-

    6. TDTim Dillon50:13

       ... like that.

    7. JRJoe Rogan50:14

       But you'll drive by these houses that are worth $30 million-

    8. TDTim Dillon50:18

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan50:18

       ... and you're like, "Look at that."

    10. TDTim Dillon50:19

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan50:19

        "It's right there. It's $30 million."

    12. TDTim Dillon50:20

        I know.

    13. JRJoe Rogan50:20

        "I could throw a rock."

    14. TDTim Dillon50:21

        Yeah, but they ... You know what it is? Gated communities ruin the fun for people like me that wanna just appreciate other people's wealth. Why-

    15. JRJoe Rogan50:29

        You say that until you get rich.

    16. TDTim Dillon50:31

        Why can't ... I know.

    17. JRJoe Rogan50:32

        Once you get rich, you'll be living right next door to me.

    18. TDTim Dillon50:34

        I, I-

    19. JRJoe Rogan50:35

        You're gonna come over and ask for sugar.

    20. TDTim Dillon50:36

        Absolutely- if I'm allowed.

    21. JRJoe Rogan50:37

        (laughs)

    22. TDTim Dillon50:37

        If they'll allow me, by the way.

    23. JRJoe Rogan50:38

        Why wouldn't they?

    24. TDTim Dillon50:38

        You might have to ... You might have to vouch for me with the condo board.

    25. JRJoe Rogan50:41

        Oh, I'll call.

    26. TDTim Dillon50:41

        Not the condo board.

    27. JRJoe Rogan50:42

        I'll talk to the people.

    28. TDTim Dillon50:42

        Whatever, the people.

    29. JRJoe Rogan50:43

        I'll talk to the people, the homeowners' association.

    30. TDTim Dillon50:45

        But here's the deal. W- I wanna go out and get ... When I was a little kid, we would smoke pot and we'd drive around these big areas and we get inspired. And we'd look at big houses and mansions and we'd get inspired.

Episode duration: 3:01:21