Joe Rogan Experience #1460 - Donnell Rawlings

Donnell Rawlings 0:00 One. Donnell.

Joe Rogan 0:02 We're live.

Donnell Rawlings 0:03 Mm.

Joe Rogan 0:05 So good to see you.

Donnell Rawlings 0:09 (laughs) (coughs) Okay. This is not the cough that people expect to come from me.

Joe Rogan 0:12 This is just a weed cough. (coughs)

Donnell Rawlings 0:14 This is ... (coughs)

Joe Rogan 0:16 Donnell has not been tested. He will be tested today-

Donnell Rawlings 0:19 Y- ... I might, man. (coughs)

Joe Rogan 0:19 ... at the end of the podcast.

Donnell Rawlings 0:20 You ain't gotta-

Joe Rogan 0:21 I'm not worried.

Donnell Rawlings 0:22 But you ain't gotta blow it up like that, man.

Joe Rogan 0:24 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 0:24 Give me a chance to explain.

Joe Rogan 0:26 I'm not worried. I'm not worried.

Donnell Rawlings 0:27 Gi- give me, give me a chance. And, and, and, and I understand-

Joe Rogan 0:29 Get healthy.

Donnell Rawlings 0:29 I haven't, but I have subscribed ... Six feet. I have my measure. I have subscribed to-

Joe Rogan 0:37 Social distancing.

Donnell Rawlings 0:37 ... social distancing-

Joe Rogan 0:38 Oh.

Donnell Rawlings 0:38 100%, but the new normal. The new normal-

Joe Rogan 0:41 Is he on camera? We should move over a little bit.

Donnell Rawlings 0:43 Th- the, the new normal. In the new normal ... And this has nothing to do with you, Joe. But just ... The-

Joe Rogan 0:48 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 0:48 I'm just saying. Listen. It ain't the p- ... It's ... I, I'm protecting, possibly be protecting myself from, for me-

Joe Rogan 0:55 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 0:55 ... to you.

Joe Rogan 0:56 Okay.

Donnell Rawlings 0:56 And I love you.

Joe Rogan 0:58 I love you, too.

Donnell Rawlings 0:58 And I know that we have a certain amount of trust factor, but this '19 shit is kinda deaden- how trustworthy-

Joe Rogan 1:06 Uh, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 1:07 ... you are to somebody.

Joe Rogan 1:08 I mean-

Donnell Rawlings 1:08 What do you think?

Joe Rogan 1:09 This is ... Well, first of all, I think what's really important for everybody right now is to strengthen your immune system. First of all, can I tell you something?

Donnell Rawlings 1:15 Yo, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:15 You look good.

Donnell Rawlings 1:16 Come on.

Joe Rogan 1:16 You look like you lost weight.

Donnell Rawlings 1:17 Thank you. Maybe like five pounds.

Joe Rogan 1:18 You lost weight. Yeah, your face.

Donnell Rawlings 1:19 But I feel good. Thank you.

Joe Rogan 1:20 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 1:21 Should I ... Uh, will you-

Joe Rogan 1:22 Oh, take that fucking thing off.

Donnell Rawlings 1:23 All right. Well, I know motherfuckers that eat elk don't give a fuck about no-

Joe Rogan 1:26 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 1:27 Yo. Once you eat elk, you don't give a fuck about no COVID.

Joe Rogan 1:30 Well, that's ... One thing is, like, eating well, e- eat healthy, take vitamins. This is what you need to take, for sure. Vitamin C, l- large doses of vitamin C.

Donnell Rawlings 1:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:38 Vitamin D, and zinc. Those are very important right now.

Donnell Rawlings 1:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:41 And just for ... But-

Donnell Rawlings 1:42 Zinc gives you a ro- Doesn't ... Isn't zinc an aphrodisiac also?

Joe Rogan 1:45 Yes. It's good for lows.

Donnell Rawlings 1:47 So, you can get your immune system up and get everything up when you say-

Joe Rogan 1:49 Well, that's all connected to your body being healthy, you know.

Donnell Rawlings 1:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:51 The m- the more vi- vital your body is, the more vitality you have.

Donnell Rawlings 1:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:56 You know, the more your ... Everything's gonna work better. Your hormones, your immune system, everything. So, those are thi- those are things that I, I recommend to everybody. And I think-

Donnell Rawlings 2:03 But nobody's thinking about that, Joe.

Joe Rogan 2:05 Oh, you got to. That's everything.

Donnell Rawlings 2:06 No, I'm saying you, you have to, but nobody is thinking about that. Like, everybody, everybody is like so afraid, COVIDy, COVIDy, COVIDy. But I personally think that you should be more afraid of catching a cold and the flu than getting COVID-19.

Joe Rogan 2:20 I think you should be afraid of COVID-19, but you should also be afraid of catching the flu.

Donnell Rawlings 2:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:24 You know, those, those ... All, all of it's bad.

Donnell Rawlings 2:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:26 All of it's bad, you know. It's not good to be sick. But when you, when you protect your immune system and keep your body healthy and strong, it, it definitely ... It's like you have troops. All right? You gotta think of the virus as like an in- invading army.

Donnell Rawlings 2:41 100%.

Joe Rogan 2:41 There's all these viruses. And apparently, that Lex Fridman quote ... What was it? How many different viruses are there? Hundreds of thousands that are constantly competing? Like, he was, uh, describing it. This, this genius Russian scientist that I have on the podcast sometimes.

Donnell Rawlings 2:54 He was like specifically the COVID virus?

Joe Rogan 2:56 Well, he's talking about all viruses in general.

Donnell Rawlings 2:57 All viruses, period.

Joe Rogan 2:57 He said it's like a world war out there of viruses.

Donnell Rawlings 3:00 But what I hear in, in ... When it comes to it being a world war, I've heard that the COVID-

Joe Rogan 3:06 Here it is. Look at this guy wrote. "There's 320,000 plus distinct viruses in mammals and 100 million invertebrates, invertebrates and plants. There's an epic microscopic world war going on all around us and inside us. Nature is beautiful and terrifying." And then he closes the source.

Donnell Rawlings 3:23 So, why is this, why is this one getting the headlines?

Joe Rogan 3:26 Well-

Donnell Rawlings 3:26 If that's the case, why is this getting the headlines?

Joe Rogan 3:28 It's new. It's called ... It's a novel coronavirus, meaning no one has an immune system for it.

Donnell Rawlings 3:32 Got it.

Joe Rogan 3:32 No one has developed immunity. You know, when you think about other diseases like the common cold or, you know, uh, different flus, like, we've had flus. People have a certain amount of immunity to flu. You get flu shots. You can get a flu shot. It gives you an immunity to a certain amount. Even, even when they get the flu shot wrong apparently, because sometimes they, they guess the wrong flu strain, it still has enough of what a flu is to protect you somewhat, sort of keep you from getting more sick and you can't get sick.

Donnell Rawlings 3:59 So, corona is actually a strand of ... It's like the baby brother of the flu?

Joe Rogan 4:03 Not really. It's a, it's a type of virus. A coronavirus is a, is a, is a whole category of viruses that includes the common cold. This is ... They call it SARS-2 or COVID-19.

Donnell Rawlings 4:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:16 And this is a new one. So, then the problem with this is no one knows how it gets spread. Like, even back as far as January, they were thinking it didn't spread through the air. They were thinking-

Donnell Rawlings 4:27 Right. So, it's not-

Joe Rogan 4:28 ... it didn't spread person-to-person.

Donnell Rawlings 4:29 It's not ... And I know this might be some ignorant questions, but I know a lot of ignorant people.

Joe Rogan 4:32 No, it's not. No ignorance, man. It's not ignorance.

Donnell Rawlings 4:33 Um-

Joe Rogan 4:33 Like, we ... None of us really know. It's, it's ... We're learning.

Donnell Rawlings 4:36 So, um, is the ... With the ... Like you said, f- ... I think what people are fearful of the most, if it's airborne.

Joe Rogan 4:44 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 4:44 I mean, I don't know if that is the, the specific reason why they're enforcing wearing masks or whatever.

Joe Rogan 4:50 Yes, it is, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 4:50 And I don't know if we've got to that panic stage. And I, I know none of the people haven't announced it or anything. But it didn't ... It hasn't been classified as a virus that's airborne. Like, it doesn't just fly around motherfucking ... S- fly around shit all day.

Joe Rogan 5:06 Well, when a virus is airborne, what it means is, like when you sneeze or you cough or you, you know, breathe on someone, there's moisture that's going through your mouth and into the air. And it's spreading. It's traveling certain amount of distance.

Donnell Rawlings 5:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:19 That's how things are airborne. It's not like they're just flying around. It's ... They're coming out of people and they're getting in other people.

Donnell Rawlings 5:25 So, the av- the average space a motherfucker can spit some shit is six feet before it can affect you?

Joe Rogan 5:31 T- ... There's a lot of theories. Some people think it can be as much as 13 feet. You know?

Donnell Rawlings 5:35 Really?

Joe Rogan 5:35 Yeah, they don't know. It's all guesswork. It's all guesswork. They're d- they're learning as they go along how far. But they do know it travels through the air. They definitely know that pe- ... There was a really s- sad story about a choir that got together. And, uh-

Donnell Rawlings 5:49 Black?

Joe Rogan 5:49 I have ... I don't know. The ... I don't know. They, they didn't say. I don't believe-

Donnell Rawlings 5:52 How many people died? A choir?

Joe Rogan 5:54 A couple people died-

Donnell Rawlings 5:55 Huh.

Joe Rogan 5:55 ... because they were all singing together. And when you're singing together, you're raising your voice and you're projecting. So, probably like filling the air-

Donnell Rawlings 6:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:03 ... with all this stuff. You know?

Donnell Rawlings 6:05 I just-It's just interesting, man, because you, like ... Everybody, all you hear people say is, like, "I can't wait for it to get back to normal again. I can't wait." And people-

Joe Rogan 6:19 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 6:19 Like people in that ... And I think that people are, wanna have enough confidence in the government or Donald Trump for Donald ... I think some people are just waiting for him to say, "Okay, uh, we're good. It's over." And that's not gonna be the case.

Joe Rogan 6:31 No.

Donnell Rawlings 6:31 It'll never be like-

Joe Rogan 6:33 Charlamagne posted something on his Instagram today.

Donnell Rawlings 6:34 I don't fuck with Charlamagne, son. Was it a booty picture?

Joe Rogan 6:36 (laughs) No, it wasn't a booty picture.

Donnell Rawlings 6:37 Wasn't a booty picture?

Joe Rogan 6:38 No.

Donnell Rawlings 6:38 Was it a picture of him kissing, tongue kissing Malick Yoba, son?

Joe Rogan 6:40 Could you go to Charlamagne's Instagram?

Donnell Rawlings 6:41 Do you know that's the ... Yo, son, you know you can't bring that name up around me, son.

Joe Rogan 6:45 I know these ... they, they just love each other.

Donnell Rawlings 6:47 (laughs) Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 6:47 It's okay. You gotta s-

Donnell Rawlings 6:48 Booty, booty, booty. Can you introduce this with some boo, beauty, booty music at least, son?

Joe Rogan 6:54 (clapping)

Donnell Rawlings 6:54 You just started a fucking fight.

Joe Rogan 6:55 I d- I didn't. I didn't. When he posted-

Donnell Rawlings 6:59 Oh my God. And his name is Lenard, Joe.

Joe Rogan 7:01 Okay.

Donnell Rawlings 7:02 All right.

Joe Rogan 7:02 Charlamagne is a great name.

Donnell Rawlings 7:03 Oh, yeah. But the guy part is the thing I would never connect with.

Joe Rogan 7:06 Oh, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 7:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:07 That, that's ... Well, he can get away with it, somehow.

Donnell Rawlings 7:09 Lenard.

Joe Rogan 7:10 Lenard. He even says that.

Donnell Rawlings 7:11 On his-

Joe Rogan 7:11 But if you go to his Instagram, there's something he posted about the Spanish flu.

Donnell Rawlings 7:14 Why you ain't go to the one I posted about here? Oh, oh that's my ... But go ahead. And Spanish flu, go ahead. (laughs) I'm sorry. What do you see-

Jamie Vernon 7:20 I don't know. Do you know which one it is?

Joe Rogan 7:21 No. It's, uh, it's, it's a photograph. I think it ... Goddammit. Am I wrong? I was pretty sure it was him.

Donnell Rawlings 7:27 What about that one of Charlamagne? You don't wanna show that one.

Joe Rogan 7:30 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 7:30 What about ... Now, that, the one you know. I don't know that Charlamagne. I know that motherfuck with them yellow Richard Simmons booty shorts.

Joe Rogan 7:37 Okay. But before, before we lose track of what we're talking about-

Donnell Rawlings 7:39 That's the Charlamagne I know. All right? And I promise I won't interrupt it. I know ... No, I'm just saying, Joe. I'm trying my hardest.

Joe Rogan 7:44 I know, I know. I know you guys.

Donnell Rawlings 7:45 I'm trying my hardest not to interrupt, man, but I can't stand them booty shorts. But go ahead, I'm sorry.

Jamie Vernon 7:50 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 7:50 Go ahead, man.

Joe Rogan 7:51 Maybe it wasn't his. I saw, I th- I swore I did not bring, I swear I did not bring this up just to start that shit.

Donnell Rawlings 7:56 No. It seem like you set me up, bruh.

Joe Rogan 7:57 No, no. I did not. I would never do that.

Donnell Rawlings 7:59 You s-

Joe Rogan 7:59 I would never do that. I only did it because he ... So whoever p- I thought it was him. Someone posted ... Maybe he did it on Twitter, I don't know. Someone posted something that was a picture of, uh, these people that got tired of social distancing after the 1918 flu.

Donnell Rawlings 8:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:13 And they were out in the streets celebrating the end of the war. And they said that that started a resurge in cases, and the second wave wound up killing more people than died in the war.

Donnell Rawlings 8:23 And you know who those people were?

Joe Rogan 8:26 Young men. A lot of them.

Donnell Rawlings 8:27 No. They was motherfuckers that was in fucked up relationships.

Joe Rogan 8:30 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 8:31 Joe, if corona don't test anything ... Yo, if corona don't test anything, it's gonna test the love that you have for the person that you're supposed to love.

Joe Rogan 8:40 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 8:40 And I'm pretty sure, like, nobody wants to die, right?

Joe Rogan 8:43 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 8:44 Definitely nobody wants to die, right? (laughs) But sometimes motherfu- they, they just mention that, you know what? (sighs)

Joe Rogan 8:51 You finding out if you made a mistake right now.

Donnell Rawlings 8:53 I ... You may, you made a mistake, but you start ... And I hope this is not the case with people. You start weighing it.

Joe Rogan 8:59 Oh, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 8:59 You're like, "Oh, fuck, man. I swear, I-"

Joe Rogan 9:01 Well, women with men too, man. Imagine being, living with a guy who's falling apart right now.

Donnell Rawlings 9:06 Falling apart in wha- in, in the health-wise or just mentally in their life?

Joe Rogan 9:10 No, just like if you're together, you're together in a house 24/7.

Donnell Rawlings 9:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:15 And y- you know, you're, you're falling apart as far as like the way you're handling this. Like some people just can just accept, okay, this is a new normal. This is what, this o- there's people running around like, "Fuck this."

Donnell Rawlings 9:26 So you're talking about the bitch mother-

Joe Rogan 9:27 "Open the fucking government back up."

Donnell Rawlings 9:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:29 There's people that are freaking out right now.

Donnell Rawlings 9:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:32 And there's people that have points and there's people that don't have points, but men and women. Like everybody's a mess right now.

Donnell Rawlings 9:36 But you know, you, you're absolutely right. And this is where ... And I know you have got it. You're, you're a fan of David? You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 9:43 I just uh, love him.

Donnell Rawlings 9:44 David and David Goggins.

Joe Rogan 9:45 Oh, love him too.

Donnell Rawlings 9:46 You know what I'm saying? Like, do you like s- like, I agree with you. Like, you have different mindsets when something like this happens.

Joe Rogan 9:51 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 9:52 You have the mindset of like, "Oh, fuck! What am I gonna do? How am I gonna get money? Fuck! Oh my God."

Joe Rogan 9:57 Right, right.

Donnell Rawlings 9:57 "I only can survive off of one week. Somebody please help me."

Joe Rogan 10:01 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 10:01 You got that motherfucker, the bitch motherfucker. Then you got a motherfucker that's calm and says, "Okay, there, there will be some challenges. I'm not, I'm not sure where the next money's gonna come from, but I can't just sit there and bitch about it. I gotta do something about it."

Joe Rogan 10:16 You gotta do something about it, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 10:17 Like, like you say. And one of the things that this is gonna ... what's gonna happen with this, it's gonna be, it's gonna increase awareness on so many fucking levels.

Joe Rogan 10:26 Yo, 100%.

Donnell Rawlings 10:26 'Cause they do these Covey fucking, um, briefs every day, right? And there's three things they say is gonna really fuck you up if you do. Drugs, alcohol, and it's another one. Drugs-

Joe Rogan 10:37 Obesity.

Donnell Rawlings 10:38 Obesity, drugs and alcohol.

Joe Rogan 10:40 They said obesity was the number one factor-

Donnell Rawlings 10:41 Obesity.

Joe Rogan 10:41 ... in New York City apparently.

Donnell Rawlings 10:42 And this is the thing. And this is what you, this is what they don't report. And I'm not disres- I'm not shitting on anybody, you know. The God bless ... I mean, hopefully nobody I know gets it or just I don't want this shit to happen to anyone. But this is what they don't mention when they say these numbers. You know? And it's crazy. I ain't trying to be a asshole. Uh, 500 people died today. They don't break it down. Is it 500 Joe Rogan niggas?

Joe Rogan 11:04 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 11:05 Is it 500 David Goggins niggas? No, it's probably, it's ... You know what it is.

Joe Rogan 11:11 It is, but sometimes it's not. That's what's scary about this shit.

Donnell Rawlings 11:13 But that, I know sometimes it's not, but we do know, Joe, that it contributes.

Joe Rogan 11:18 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 11:18 It has a major factor in it.

Joe Rogan 11:19 It's a major factor and people need to know that it's a major factor and stop saving their feelings.

Donnell Rawlings 11:24 Yes.

Joe Rogan 11:24 Just letting them know as a fact.

Donnell Rawlings 11:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:26 Some, some-

Donnell Rawlings 11:26 Some fat motherfuckers is dying of Covey.

Joe Rogan 11:28 Yes. And sometimes, like, when you're just talking shit about someone being fat-

Donnell Rawlings 11:31 And let's be some fat mother- I saw a motherfucker on the internet, Joe.

Joe Rogan 11:33 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 11:33 This nigga was live with a ventilator, right? He sound like Biggie Smalls. He was like, (breathing heavily) "I'm letting y'all know this is serious." Nigga, yes, it's serious. You know what else is serious too? Those 10 pieces of chicken, that extra sweet tea, that motherfucking potato salad with mayonnaise and mayonnaise and mayonnaise and mayonnaise. All of that shit is important and all of it is relevant.

Joe Rogan 11:53 All of it's relevant.

Donnell Rawlings 11:54 All of it is fucking relevant.

Joe Rogan 11:55 Yeah. You, it's delicious food, but you know what you're doing when you're eating it.

Donnell Rawlings 11:59 When I talk to you-

Joe Rogan 12:00 When you drink something that's like, you know why you're drinking it. Like, if you're drinking like a regular Coca-Cola.

Donnell Rawlings 12:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:05 It's goddamn delicious.

Donnell Rawlings 12:06 But you know you gonna pay for it.

Joe Rogan 12:07 You know what you're doing though.

Donnell Rawlings 12:09 It's like Fram oil filters. You can pay me now or you can pay me later. That's the old-

Joe Rogan 12:13 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 12:13 One of my shop teachers used to tell that, tell me that all the time. He'd be like ... I was a fuck up in school, right? And he'd be like, "Donnell." I'd be fucked. And he'd be like, "Donnell, listen. My lessons are like Fram oil filters. You can pay me now or you can pay me later." I was young and dumb. When you're young and dumb, you don't know what wisdom is. You're like, "This old motherfucker need to shut the fuck up."

Joe Rogan 12:31 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 12:31 I didn't know what he meant until that's, those lessons he tried to teach me then.... a- as I got older, I was like, "Now I know what the fuck he's talking about." You could pay me $2 for this e- air filter now or $3,000 for a whole new transmission.

Joe Rogan 12:46 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 12:46 You know what I'm saying? And people don't, people don't, people don't understand that.

Joe Rogan 12:50 That's a way of looking at it, for sure. The, but what the ... The problem with people's bodies and, like, what they put into 'em is they g- they get this connection in their head that this is rewarding them, that food is rewarding them.

Donnell Rawlings 13:02 That's sugar.

Joe Rogan 13:03 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 13:04 Right?

Joe Rogan 13:04 It's sugar. It's a trap. It's sugar, and it's carbohydrates.

Donnell Rawlings 13:07 Black people, we've been trapped-

Joe Rogan 13:08 Like-

Donnell Rawlings 13:08 ... for so long, bro.

Joe Rogan 13:09 ... so l- long. Well, most people. Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 13:10 No, no, more than you. Black people, you go to any Black person house, you gonna have sugar in the cabinet and salt, right?

Joe Rogan 13:16 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 13:16 You go to a white person house, you have oregano. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:19 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 13:20 Like, you, you have thyme. You have rosemary and shit. You be like, "Where the fuck is the sugars? Where's the salts?"

Joe Rogan 13:25 Well, you cook, right?

Donnell Rawlings 13:26 Yeah, I do.

Joe Rogan 13:27 Do you, uh, do you, like, are you big into spices? Do you know your spices?

Donnell Rawlings 13:30 I'm not big i- I know my spices, but one of the things that I'm trying to do, and not like Heather B 'cause Heather B. is a good friend of mine, right? And she just, everything is shh, is fried, right? What I wanna do, and I get impressed, is trying to cook cleaner. And for, um, a Black person telling a Black person to eat clean is like, ugh, that shit nasty. You know?

Joe Rogan 13:53 Do you get, uh, your health work done? Do you get, like, blood work done to see-

Donnell Rawlings 13:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:56 ... where your, your body's at?

Donnell Rawlings 13:57 I know I, I know I don't know where my, my COVID shit is right now.

Joe Rogan 14:00 They're gonna come here. I, I swear.

Donnell Rawlings 14:01 I t- Why you looking ... Goddamn.

Joe Rogan 14:02 I thought you had it.

Donnell Rawlings 14:02 You're like, who's gonna administer-

Joe Rogan 14:04 I thought you had a test.

Donnell Rawlings 14:04 ... the test? Is it gonna be, is it gonna be a-

Joe Rogan 14:06 Gonna be a nurse.

Donnell Rawlings 14:06 ... Charlamagne, as long as it's not Charlamagne.

Joe Rogan 14:09 (laughs) He can't fly here from New York City.

Donnell Rawlings 14:11 No, I, no, no, no. And, and-

Joe Rogan 14:11 They won't let you.

Donnell Rawlings 14:12 ... and I, and, and I wanna know, and that's another thing that's, like, um, that's, uh, a drawback of this whole process, like, who has access to a test?

Joe Rogan 14:24 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 14:24 You know what I mean? Like-

Joe Rogan 14:25 Who has access to a test? There's a whole line outside if you, um, go, there's like a, well, a bunch of these stations they've set up all around the valley where you can pull in, and they'll, they'll d- give you a test. So people are just waiting in line.

Donnell Rawlings 14:37 But is that, is that something, is that something that, um, the government's paying for as part of your insurance?

Joe Rogan 14:42 I don't know. It's a good question. Jamie, do you know?

Jamie Vernon 14:44 I do not, uh-

Joe Rogan 14:45 The ones I saw before-

Donnell Rawlings 14:46 They can't.

Jamie Vernon 14:46 ... you need, like, a doctor's prescription for.

Donnell Rawlings 14:48 But eventually they're gonna have to be able to-

Jamie Vernon 14:50 I'll check.

Donnell Rawlings 14:50 Eventually it's gonna have to be-

Joe Rogan 14:52 It should be.

Donnell Rawlings 14:52 ... accessible to everybody.

Joe Rogan 14:53 It should be free.

Donnell Rawlings 14:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:54 It should be, look, if the, we're gonna spend money on anything, we should spend money on that.

Donnell Rawlings 14:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:58 Like, goddamn, like, the idea that m- you're gonna make people pay for that, you can't.

Donnell Rawlings 15:02 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 15:02 Yeah, you can't. This is a thing that's happening right now. It's almost like, uh, there, there's a lot of dangerous shit that happens when things go into chaos because there's people that take advantage of those moments, and they just-

Donnell Rawlings 15:13 People get rich.

Joe Rogan 15:14 They, people get rich, but more importantly, laws get passed 'cause people are scared. And those laws can, like, be, uh, they could sneak something in where they ban encryption, or they sneak something in where they, uh, stop, uh, digital currencies that aren't controlled by certai- certain companies. They can sneak weird shit in while people are freaking out. 24-hour surveillance 'cause we wanna make sure that people don't loot and riot. Weird shit can happen that can-

Donnell Rawlings 15:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:39 ... erode your civil liberties when things get chaotic.

Donnell Rawlings 15:41 Different, change.

Joe Rogan 15:42 This is a weird time, you know, but this is where we live. This is life right now. You gotta just accept that.

Donnell Rawlings 15:49 Do you think something like this had to happen for people to put real family values and what's important in perspective?

Joe Rogan 15:57 That's a good question.

Donnell Rawlings 15:57 Is, do you believe, like, we talked about it of- like-

Joe Rogan 16:00 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 16:00 ... and I'm like, um, I'm a religious person to the extent that I know that it is something that makes people feel good about.

Joe Rogan 16:08 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 16:09 You know? But, you know, with, and, but then you have those holy, holy, holy people that celebrate God on one level, but then when something like this happens, but they don't understand that if you believe that God can fix anything, he's gonna take you to the Promised Land, you gotta believe that he had to be part of the narrative of this, of this curse.

Joe Rogan 16:28 I think it's how much responsibility you put on yourself and how much responsibility, even if you believe in God, you put on that. Like, you gotta do some work yourself too. Like, even if you believe in God, don't get so fat that you're gonna die.

Donnell Rawlings 16:39 You gotta-

Joe Rogan 16:39 Yeah, don't do that.

Donnell Rawlings 16:40 Bro.

Joe Rogan 16:40 Don't let yourself do that. Start drinking water, just exercise-

Donnell Rawlings 16:43 I tell-

Joe Rogan 16:43 ... stop eating as much sugar. You can do it. It can be done.

Donnell Rawlings 16:46 Joe, I tell motherfuckers all the fucking time, you gotta fucking help God.

Joe Rogan 16:51 Help him.

Donnell Rawlings 16:52 You gotta help him. You can't, you can't just be like, "Oh, shit, God, I hope I don't get diabetes. Let me get the cotton candy."

Joe Rogan 17:00 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 17:00 "Let me get the extra sweet tea. Let me get the funnel cake." You can't do that.

Joe Rogan 17:04 Uh, you're right. You're right. You can't, shouldn't. If you do, you're, you're, you're doing a disservice to the gift of life. You know how many people out there are in wheelchairs, they're born with horrible debilitating diseases, they can't do shit, people that have been in accidents, people that have been blown up in war, they can't even move around? And here you are taking a perfectly good body and just dumping bullshit into it while it just explodes. And I understand that people get addicted to things. You get addicted to that feeling of the rush of eating, but you gotta get yourself off of it.

Donnell Rawlings 17:34 You know, it's-

Joe Rogan 17:34 You gotta figure out a way to live your life better. It can be done. Other people have done it. You can do it too.

Donnell Rawlings 17:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:39 The idea that you can't do it is stupid.

Donnell Rawlings 17:41 You know, uh, you just gave me a thought, and the reason why sometime I interrupt because I know I got ADD, right?

Joe Rogan 17:47 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 17:47 And if I don't get my thought out in that second, I'll fucking forget about it.

Joe Rogan 17:50 I get it.

Donnell Rawlings 17:52 A- and, um, it's-

Joe Rogan 17:52 You're, you're sensitive to interrupting now after the RZA podcast.

Donnell Rawlings 17:55 I, yo, no, no, son. I'm not sensitive.

Joe Rogan 17:57 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 17:57 I'm sensitive to your fucking fans 'cause them niggas is nasty to me, son.

Joe Rogan 18:01 Oh, no. Listen.

Donnell Rawlings 18:01 No, not in a bad, no, not in a bad way, but you gotta-

Joe Rogan 18:04 People love you.

Donnell Rawlings 18:05 They, they love me, but (laughs) they gotta get to know me.

Joe Rogan 18:06 Listen, man. I k- I knew you were gonna be you, and I, I, it was, b- I really enjoyed meeting RZA. He's a fascinating dude.

Donnell Rawlings 18:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:14 I have a lot of respect for him, and he's a genius.

Donnell Rawlings 18:16 Jo-

Joe Rogan 18:16 He's a really interesting guy, but it was funny to watch this.

Donnell Rawlings 18:19 The funny, yo, the funniest thing, I'm gonna tell you the funny thing about it, and I haven't said this. I was like, this is what I'm gonna do, Rogan. People are like, "What you gonna talk about?" I was like, "Nigga, I'm just gonna talk about..." Dude, I just, I felt like we had so much to talk about, right?

Joe Rogan 18:31 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 18:32 And, um, I don't feel like I owe anybody an apology or anything, but I would like to ex-... give an explanation of-

Joe Rogan 18:41 Please, don't. You're great. You're just being you.

Donnell Rawlings 18:45 They hated me though, Joe.

Joe Rogan 18:46 Darnell, no, you don't. No.

Donnell Rawlings 18:46 They-

Joe Rogan 18:47 No, no, no, no, no, no.

Donnell Rawlings 18:47 Joe, that's easy for you to say. They fucking hated me, Joe.

Joe Rogan 18:50 No, the people that's incorrect. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 18:50 Joe, they fucking hated me, Joe. Don't try to tone it down.

Joe Rogan 18:53 The people that commented-

Donnell Rawlings 18:55 They didn't hate me.

Joe Rogan 18:56 ... that you read hate you can't say they hated you. There's so many people.

Donnell Rawlings 18:59 I don't give a fuck about the people that love me.

Joe Rogan 19:01 Darnell, you can't... I know. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 19:01 Nobody cares about that person.

Joe Rogan 19:04 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 19:04 I already got them in the bag, bro. I don't give a fuck. I love you. Fuck you. Who's an asshole? You know, it, it was... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:12 You can never g- you can never get to a zero point. You can never get to a no haters point. It doesn't exist.

Donnell Rawlings 19:18 It doesn't exist. I just need to break it down just a little bit.

Joe Rogan 19:21 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 19:21 Listen, 'cause you said they weren't mad at you. This is how... You know-

Joe Rogan 19:24 Some of them were mad.

Donnell Rawlings 19:26 A lot of them were mad.

Joe Rogan 19:27 You're reading too many of the comments.

Donnell Rawlings 19:29 And you did... When we left, and this was, this was, uh, before COVID-19, when we would embrace, when I see you I hug. And the funny, the irony of that interview was at the end of it, you and I were feeling good about it.

Joe Rogan 19:39 I loved it.

Donnell Rawlings 19:40 Yo, I loved it. Listen, bro-

Joe Rogan 19:42 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 19:42 ... I loved it like a motherfucker. So I damn near tongue kissed you, pause, no Charlamagne.

Joe Rogan 19:47 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 19:47 No Charlamagne. Yo, you embraced me 'cause you said... I remember what you said. You said at the end of it, 'cause that's when RZA did the freestyle or whatever-

Joe Rogan 19:54 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 19:55 ... at the end. And you said... And hearing you say this means a lot. You said, "That might be one of the greatest outros in podcast history."

Joe Rogan 20:04 100%.

Donnell Rawlings 20:04 Coming from a motherfucker that's 1,200 plus, you done seen it all, right? And I was like, "You right." And we hugged. And I do remember you telling me this too, "Don't read the comments." Right?

Joe Rogan 20:15 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 20:15 I'm hard headed, son. I'm hard headed, son. Ride or die. And I was like... And I'm looking at you like, "What the fuck do you mean, Joe? The streets love me." Man, I had a good run and I just re-

Joe Rogan 20:27 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 20:27 Listen, let me tell you something, Joe. You said don't read the comments. I know this might be excessive, but I think I only read2,782.

Joe Rogan 20:35 Oh, my God.

Donnell Rawlings 20:36 Right? And it was nice, it was nice. And then they started using words that only the vocabulary of a real podcaster, cringe.

Joe Rogan 20:45 Like what words?

Donnell Rawlings 20:46 The word cringe.

Joe Rogan 20:47 Oh, cringe.

Donnell Rawlings 20:48 Just straight cringe. Like I need a little bit more information. What the fuck is your definition of cringe? They was like, "Cringe." Motherfucker said... And this is the real assholes. They didn't want anybody to get to know me or anything. They was telling people exactly where on the timeline to find the, the, the, the disgust they had. They'd be like-

Joe Rogan 21:07 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 21:07 ... "I almost fucking killed myself at 17:38." Okay, can a motherfucker get 16 minutes before we get there-

Joe Rogan 21:15 Darnell, I'm telling you, you can't pay attention to that.

Donnell Rawlings 21:18 Yo, you're... You-

Joe Rogan 21:18 You just gotta be you.

Donnell Rawlings 21:20 But-

Joe Rogan 21:20 You're great. You're great.

Donnell Rawlings 21:21 Joe, Joe.

Joe Rogan 21:21 You gotta not...

Donnell Rawlings 21:21 Joe, that's easy for you to say, Joe. Yo, how many years did it take you to just be you and comfortable like this? And the reason why I'm saying that, when you first started, right? When you... And not that, uh... And the birth of my podcast was because of that. When you first started, I know as calm as your demeanor is right now and as comfortable, and I may be wrong, as comfortable of saying, "Fuck them, don't worry about them," I know that could not have been your beginning. I've, uh, you had to have had you... And I may be wrong. You had to like, "Okay, why did that person say that? What do they mean by that?"

Joe Rogan 21:57 Darnell, I think I have brain damage.

Donnell Rawlings 21:59 From what?

Joe Rogan 21:59 From getting hit in the head. And I don't think I worry about the same-

Donnell Rawlings 22:02 Okay.

Joe Rogan 22:02 ... um, things that people worry about.

Donnell Rawlings 22:04 Right. I... You're absolutely right, 'cause that's probably-

Joe Rogan 22:06 That's one... Uh, that's a real possibility, right? You know me. That might be real, right? There might be something going on there. But it's also, um, I, I have that-

Donnell Rawlings 22:14 So your whole career-

Joe Rogan 22:15 ... Fear Factor money. And then I just wanted-

Donnell Rawlings 22:16 Okay, there it is. There it is.

Joe Rogan 22:16 ... to do standup. And I was free. I felt-

Donnell Rawlings 22:18 Okay, so you had... See? Boom.

Joe Rogan 22:20 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 22:20 See? You had a...

Joe Rogan 22:21 I'm not a... I don't buy a lot of shit. I don't go-

Donnell Rawlings 22:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:24 I don't go crazy. I like cars.

Donnell Rawlings 22:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:26 That's my, my, my only addiction.

Donnell Rawlings 22:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:28 But I'm not... When I did something like Fear Factor and making some money, it gave me this freedom to now just to not worry about ever doing that again.

Donnell Rawlings 22:36 But you always have been of that mindset.

Joe Rogan 22:38 Yeah, but it reinforced it. It just re- Uh, things like that reinforce it. Like having a bl- Uh, having, uh, like, uh, savings in the bank is nice, but also doing what you want to do is nice too. One of the things that I learned from Fear Factor-

Donnell Rawlings 22:51 How about this? I learned from you today.

Joe Rogan 22:52 ... is that I don't want to do that anymore.

Donnell Rawlings 22:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:54 I don't want to do that kind of stuff anymore.

Donnell Rawlings 22:55 You know what? I don't want to be premature of it, but, uh, I could see you my podcast mentor. You know what I'm saying? But not being mat- bl- uh, uh, uh, uh, um, into it too early. But you made me feel that type of confidence in term, in, in, in terms of controlling your own destiny, being in control of your own shit, and this is what you want to do. 'Cause I've talked to you about the pod... I've... E- Oh, every time I get an idea, I hit you up, like, "What do you think about this as a TV show?" And you told me, like... I was excited about this idea I had, and you were like, "The podcast, bro, you control that. It's your show."

Joe Rogan 23:32 Look, you don't want... You're you, right?

Donnell Rawlings 23:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:33 Like you're you at your best when you're just having fun, being you. And no one's gonna allow you to do that.

Donnell Rawlings 23:41 100%.

Joe Rogan 23:41 These producers are gonna get greasy. They're going to get their greasy hands on you, and they're going to try to do this or get you to wear that, or don't talk about this, or, "Darnell, if you could just lay back here and just let..." There's a bunch of people directing you. You're not going to get to who you really are.

Donnell Rawlings 23:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:55 You got to do it by yourself. And also-

Donnell Rawlings 23:56 Where did you find that? I don't try to interview you in your own show, but where did you f- When, when did you f- when did you feel that?

Joe Rogan 24:01 I just knew that. I just knew that early.

Donnell Rawlings 24:02 Because I saw a Tom Green interview you did.

Joe Rogan 24:04 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 24:05 And, and this was like... I don't know if this was considered y- the birth 'cause this when the technology, the whole thing, and, and you were like breaking it... It was weird for me to hear you breaking down the future of it-

Joe Rogan 24:15 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 24:16 ... to somebody that was actually doing it.

Joe Rogan 24:18 Good.

Donnell Rawlings 24:18 And you said, you said, "You got to figure out..."This is a part of how do you make money off it.

Joe Rogan 24:23 How do you make money off it, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 24:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:24 But you also gotta keep it the way it is, where no one's fucking with it. When I went to Tom Green's house, he just had these wires ... like, this is 2007-

Donnell Rawlings 24:32 And when I realized-

Joe Rogan 24:33 ... so it wasn't as sophisticated back then.

Donnell Rawlings 24:33 ... that time lane, I'm like, "What the fuck, they going live?"

Joe Rogan 24:35 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 24:35 How the fuck?

Joe Rogan 24:36 He was li- and he-

Donnell Rawlings 24:37 That was dial-up.

Joe Rogan 24:38 Not only was it ... no, people had cable and they had ISDN lines. In 2007, it was like, it was most ... a lot of, a lot of people had cable. It wasn't the, near the bandwidth that you got now. But he had all the servers and everything in his house. He had turned his hou- ... he had this dope house in the hills, and he had turned this house into a TV studio. His living room wasn't a living room anymore. It had a desk, it had monitors behind it. And all this was like, these big, fat fucking cables, so-

Donnell Rawlings 25:05 So that was your show after Canada, the Cana- Canadian show?

Joe Rogan 25:07 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 25:07 Okay.

Joe Rogan 25:08 He did this all on his own. And I had actually met with the company, I met them at the Denver Comedy Works, and talked to them a little bit about doing something similar. But I was like, my thought was like, as soon as you start doing it with a company, now you're, now you're doing the same thing again. You're just doing this online.

Donnell Rawlings 25:22 You don't want them to say what you said? Right.

Joe Rogan 25:24 Yeah, you're just doing it online. You ... there's different kinds of people. And it's not, it's not a value judgment, but there's different kinds of people. There's wild, creative people, and then there's studio executives. Studio executives are the people that have to look at these wild, creative people and go, "How do I make sure that Donnell doesn't go crazy? I'm gonna put him on this show."

Donnell Rawlings 25:44 That's why I'm not on a regular TV show. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:46 We're gonna, we're gonna bri-

Donnell Rawlings 25:47 Ah, damnit.

Joe Rogan 25:47 He says, "He gets too wild, we gotta bring him down."

Donnell Rawlings 25:50 He said sun too much.

Joe Rogan 25:51 "We gotta, we gotta keep him on the, to the, the commercials have to come in seven minutes. He has to be ready to make that break." They'll, and they'll, they'll say, "Look, we've got numbers, Donnell, that shows when you start talking about this, people get upset and they tune off."

Donnell Rawlings 26:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:04 "But if you just, you know, talk about this, we're better. So we've wrote, written you some talking points," and they'll bring you some shit. Like, "We're not writing for you. We're just giving you some shit to play with."

Donnell Rawlings 26:11 And you're like, "What the fuck is this?"

Joe Rogan 26:13 Exactly.

Donnell Rawlings 26:13 "But I do need the money."

Joe Rogan 26:14 And then you have to have a meeting, and Debbie's gonna pull you into the office and go, "Donnell, I just don't think you respect me."

Donnell Rawlings 26:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:19 "Okay? We have to work together. I'm your executive producer, you know, I'm here to put this show together. You have to work with me." Okay?

Donnell Rawlings 26:24 And I don't want to ... I would love to work with you-

Joe Rogan 26:27 Ah.

Donnell Rawlings 26:28 ... but I don't want to 'cause you don't respect the fact that I, that you don't respect what I'm doing. So how the fuck do you get to respect me?

Joe Rogan 26:34 Listen, the wild, creative people, it doesn't always work out. Like, sometimes they don't ... it doesn't pan out. A podcast doesn't pan out or a TV show doesn't pan out. But at least you- they have a chance.

Donnell Rawlings 26:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:45 Like, you can't have a podcast like, uh, yours. Yours is a perfect example. You're just you.

Donnell Rawlings 26:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:52 'Cause you just r- a lot of it is just you ranting into the camera about shit. You can't ... no one would ever let you do it that way and let it build an organic audience.

Donnell Rawlings 27:02 But that's why, that's why, and that's why when you were trying to tell me the beauty of it, I wasn't understanding because ... and another reason I wasn't understanding, it was like, all right, motherfucker, when do the money kick in?

Joe Rogan 27:12 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 27:12 You know what I'm saying? Like, I understand that. And you was like, "Yeah, Donnell, it's gonna be w-" I was like this, "All right, what number do I hit when I start, uh, getting the money?"

Joe Rogan 27:21 Genuinely, they, they'd say it's like when you start getting, I think it's like 100,000 downloads.

Donnell Rawlings 27:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:27 That's when, uh, advertisers become interested in you.

Donnell Rawlings 27:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:29 Because that's legitimate. That's 100,000 people and as long as you pick your products carefully, I definitely didn't-

Donnell Rawlings 27:36 I'm good, man. Right now, I'm coming with dick pills.

Joe Rogan 27:39 Mine was the Fleshlight, was the first one.

Donnell Rawlings 27:41 Flashlight?

Joe Rogan 27:42 Fleshlight.

Donnell Rawlings 27:43 What's a Fleshlight?

Joe Rogan 27:43 A Fleshlight is a fake pussy that comes and looks like a flashlight.

Donnell Rawlings 27:47 I'll take that 'cause they still out, are they still in business?

Joe Rogan 27:48 Oh yeah, they're still in business.

Donnell Rawlings 27:49 Yo, The Donnell Rawlings Show, what is up?

Joe Rogan 27:51 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 27:51 I let y- and I want y'all to pay me for that one right now. Let's do some fucking business.

Joe Rogan 27:55 They'll do some business with you, I bet. If they still do podcasts. Do they do anymore? Well, that's how I, uh, met my friend Aubrey when we started On It together.

Donnell Rawlings 28:03 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:03 He was, uh, he was running this, uh, rubber pussy business. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 28:08 (laughs) Yo, you gotta get it. I'ma tell you, the corona have you want to sell anything because I'ma tell you, and I agree with what you said, and I was like, and I wasn't concerned. I wasn't thinking about, "When am I gonna make the money on the podcast?" First thing I was thinking about, "Can I do a pod- good podcast?" You told me most important thing is the consistency of it.

Joe Rogan 28:24 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 28:24 You gotta get the reps in. You know, motherfucker, you got a good podcast and don't come out for another five weeks.

Joe Rogan 28:28 You gotta make people look forward to it.

Donnell Rawlings 28:30 Yes.

Joe Rogan 28:30 So if you do it every week, once a week, twice a week, whatever you're doing, then people are like, "Oh, there's a bunch of podcasts that I subscribe to that I ... like, they come out on Monday. I look forward to Monday."

Donnell Rawlings 28:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:38 "Look forward to checking my phone. All right, a new episode." You know? I'm, I'm in it as a fan as much as I'm in it as someone who does it.

Donnell Rawlings 28:44 Yeah, I, I, I mean, you, you pushed me on ... you talked shit to me. You sh-

Joe Rogan 28:49 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 28:49 And you didn't sh- ... People think you inspire me.

Joe Rogan 28:52 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 28:52 You was talking shit to me. And I was trying to figure out-

Joe Rogan 28:55 I knew that would motivate you.

Donnell Rawlings 28:55 I knew it. I was like, "Man, if I see this motherfucker-"

Joe Rogan 28:58 You're too good.

Donnell Rawlings 28:58 I was like, "If I see this motherfucker one time at a comedy store-"

Joe Rogan 29:01 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 29:01 "... and he cracks his motherfucking neck and looked me in my face and say, 'What the fuck are you doing?'" I was like, I was like this, I had the, that, that shut up factor. But going to it-

Joe Rogan 29:10 But I knew I was right. I knew, I was like, "Donnell, what the fuck are you doing? You gotta do a podcast."

Donnell Rawlings 29:13 I knew you was right, but I was scared, son.

Joe Rogan 29:15 I know, but look, it worked.

Donnell Rawlings 29:16 It worked.

Joe Rogan 29:16 Yay.

Donnell Rawlings 29:17 And I was scared. Yeah, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Joe Rogan 29:20 It's moving.

Donnell Rawlings 29:20 But, you know, and I feel-

Joe Rogan 29:22 Look at you. (laughs) You even have your own mask.

Donnell Rawlings 29:23 That's my son's hair right there, son.

Joe Rogan 29:25 Oh, Jesus.

Donnell Rawlings 29:26 That's my son. And this, speaking of that, I-

Joe Rogan 29:28 Show us your m- show everybody your mask, though. The mask is hilarious.

Donnell Rawlings 29:30 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:31 This is The Donnell Rawlings Show-

Donnell Rawlings 29:32 Oh, we got merchandise for y'all punk motherfuckers now.

Joe Rogan 29:36 ... COVID mask.

Donnell Rawlings 29:36 This is the-

Joe Rogan 29:36 What does it say on it? (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 29:37 Hold on, wait a minute, wait a minute. What does it say? It says, it says ... hold on. It says, "The Donnell Rawlings Show" on one side. What is that? What side?

Joe Rogan 29:46 Right. Uh, the other side.

Donnell Rawlings 29:48 Oh, Donnell Rawlings Show.

Joe Rogan 29:49 And the other side it says- "Not today, 'rona."

Donnell Rawlings 29:52 "Not today, 'rona." Not today, 'rona. It won't happen today. And if you see ... Yo, look s- ... all right, I'ma tell y'all a secret. I didn't want-

Joe Rogan 29:58 (laughs) With your son's hair.

Donnell Rawlings 29:59 Yo, I'ma tell you, I'ma tell you what happened, son. This was a tough time for everybody. Nobody wanted to take their hat off, right?

Joe Rogan 30:06 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 30:06 And yo, I've been feeling it, right? And I was like, "Well, never act in Hollywood again if I do this," right? So I started going ... You'll see, I mean, I ain't embarrassed. I got the motherfucking sunroof.

Joe Rogan 30:16 Dude, I got a sunroof.

Donnell Rawlings 30:17 No, I got a sunroof sunroof.

Joe Rogan 30:19 Look at this. Look at this, man. This is a sunroof.

Donnell Rawlings 30:20 Yo, my s- ... but your sunroof making fu- $50 million a year.

Joe Rogan 30:24 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 30:24 This is not the same roof. You know what I'm saying? This is a, this is a hoopty roof right here. So I cut my son's hair, right? And I was like, "Oh, shit, what can I do?" Right? He saw his hair and he was like, "Ugh." So I said, "I'm gonna fuck around when I take it to the show and I'm gonna get a glue stick..."... and put it on my head just for fun. He thought it would be funny. And I showed him this podcast, um, the other day, and he got excited about it. But the thing I like about me having that hair, it smells like him. So it's like-

Joe Rogan 30:50 Aw.

Donnell Rawlings 30:50 ... a little souvenir. And right there, you know what? Joe, I don't want to feel like I'm CVS or anything right now-

Joe Rogan 30:56 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 30:56 ... but I want to say, we all know when it comes to corona, there's certain things that go before you know if you have corona or you kind of feel it.

Joe Rogan 31:03 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 31:03 Your sense of smell-

Joe Rogan 31:04 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 31:04 ... and your sense of taste. That's why, Joe, you're not gonna believe this, right? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:08 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 31:08 I came up ... I came up with a one of a kind, this is a, a specific to me, it's the Donnell Rawlings show.

Joe Rogan 31:15 Okay.

Donnell Rawlings 31:16 Now, I've n- I don't know if you're familiar with a smell called Black Ice. Black Ice. Do you know what Black Ice is?

Joe Rogan 31:21 No.

Donnell Rawlings 31:23 You don't know what Black Ice is?

Joe Rogan 31:24 I don't know. I wouldn't lie to you.

Donnell Rawlings 31:27 No, you don't really know-

Joe Rogan 31:28 Do you know what Black Ice-

Donnell Rawlings 31:29 ... what the Black Ice air freshener is?

Joe Rogan 31:31 I don't think so. Do you know what it is?

Donnell Rawlings 31:33 You don't know. Okay. You're gonna ... I bet you ... 'cause you'll know this.

Joe Rogan 31:36 I mean, I've ... oh, their air freshener?

Donnell Rawlings 31:37 All right. You know the ... okay.

Joe Rogan 31:38 For like, for a car?

Donnell Rawlings 31:39 All right. You know this one. You know the Royal Pine air freshener, right?

Joe Rogan 31:42 Yeah, those little trees.

Donnell Rawlings 31:42 That's the white one! That's ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:49 (clapping)

Donnell Rawlings 31:49 This ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:49 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 31:49 You racist motherfuckers, I tell y'all.

Joe Rogan 31:51 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 31:53 Yo, you ... Is there another color?

Joe Rogan 31:54 I mean-

Donnell Rawlings 31:54 So you know-

Joe Rogan 31:55 ... I, I ... See, let me, let me just tell you right off the bat.

Donnell Rawlings 31:57 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 31:58 I hate ... Listen. I've ev- every-

Donnell Rawlings 31:59 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 31:59 I'm a car freak.

Donnell Rawlings 32:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:00 I hate air fresheners.

Donnell Rawlings 32:01 Right. I get you.

Joe Rogan 32:02 I don't like them.

Donnell Rawlings 32:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:03 I want to smell car. I want to smell-

Donnell Rawlings 32:05 It's not about-

Joe Rogan 32:06 I want to smell gasoline and leather-

Donnell Rawlings 32:08 It's not about your car.

Joe Rogan 32:09 ... and carpet.

Donnell Rawlings 32:09 It's not about your car. Like, you've not been into a Cadillac, a blac- a, a black-owned Cadillac.

Joe Rogan 32:15 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 32:15 You've never had a ride with Snoop Dogg or any of the hip-hop dudes, right?

Joe Rogan 32:18 No. No, never.

Donnell Rawlings 32:19 That's like, in the culture, black culture, Black Ice is just the smell.

Joe Rogan 32:22 You always have to have it in your car?

Donnell Rawlings 32:24 (sighs) If you want to get some pussy back in the day.

Joe Rogan 32:27 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 32:28 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 32:29 Your car had to smell right. Oh.

Donnell Rawlings 32:31 Yo. Yo, Joe, I'm not bullshitting.

Joe Rogan 32:32 Struggle.

Donnell Rawlings 32:32 So that's, that's the-

Joe Rogan 32:33 There it is. Oh my God, it's a tree though.

Donnell Rawlings 32:34 Yeah, it's a tree. It's the same thing.

Joe Rogan 32:35 It's the same shit?

Donnell Rawlings 32:36 It's the same thing as the white man's air freshener.

Jamie Vernon 32:38 It's the shape of the thing, right?

Joe Rogan 32:39 It's the same shape?

Donnell Rawlings 32:40 It's the Black Lives Matter-

Joe Rogan 32:41 What's matter?

Donnell Rawlings 32:41 ... of, uh, air fresheners, Joe.

Joe Rogan 32:43 But that ... Uh, it is hilarious though, they pretend, "Look, it's like a tree made out chemicals."

Jamie Vernon 32:48 Well, that's the name of it, the company.

Donnell Rawlings 32:48 But Joe-

Joe Rogan 32:49 Oh, it's like the woods.

Donnell Rawlings 32:50 Joe, I don't want to distract-

Joe Rogan 32:51 Oh, please.

Donnell Rawlings 32:51 ... but getting back to the candle.

Joe Rogan 32:53 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 32:54 Um, this is the Donny Ross candle, right? And I want ... I want-

Joe Rogan 32:56 You got a candle?

Donnell Rawlings 32:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:57 Let me see that shit.

Donnell Rawlings 32:57 All right, check it out. And one of my, um, Whitney, Whitney Cummings has one, Angela Yee had one. Now, check it out, tell me what you think.

Joe Rogan 33:06 Oh, that smells good. Mm.

Donnell Rawlings 33:07 Um, Jamie?

Jamie Vernon 33:08 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 33:09 See, you know what? Now let me smell it.

Joe Rogan 33:11 You can wear it.

Donnell Rawlings 33:11 It smells ... See, that's the other thing. This is a, this, this candle helps you during corona. Like, you burn that candle, and the minute you don't smell it, nigga, go get a test. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 33:21 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 33:21 But more importantly ... Joe, more importantly, Joe, it's ... Could you read the description? Could you read the description and the ingredients in it?

Joe Rogan 33:28 This shit back here?

Donnell Rawlings 33:29 Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan 33:29 I gotta get my glasses.

Donnell Rawlings 33:30 Get your glasses, man.

Jamie Vernon 33:31 I have it on, I have it on the screen if you can read that better, maybe.

Donnell Rawlings 33:33 Oh, yeah. Much better. There we go.

Joe Rogan 33:34 All right. Um, from Marcy Projects to Hollywood, Donnell captured six true smells oils going from ashy to classy. Breathe in the memories of cold air hitting your skin on a winter's day. Shades of your skin getting ashier and ashier as the brisk wind hit your arms and ankles.

Donnell Rawlings 33:56 See?

Joe Rogan 33:56 Captured the energy of a good lotion without having it. Black Ash eliminates the smell of twerk (laughs) and replaces it with these exotic smells.

Donnell Rawlings 34:06 The ingredients, Joe.

Joe Rogan 34:08 Uh, I don't know the first one. What is that? Bergamot?

Donnell Rawlings 34:10 Bergamot.

Joe Rogan 34:11 Bergamot?

Donnell Rawlings 34:11 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 34:11 What is that? I don't know what that is. Do you know what that is, Jamie?

Donnell Rawlings 34:13 Bergamot, we don't-

Joe Rogan 34:14 Sandalwood, I've heard of that. Musk.

Donnell Rawlings 34:16 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 34:17 Elon?

Donnell Rawlings 34:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:17 Lavender, jasmine, and amber gr- ge-

Donnell Rawlings 34:22 Ambergris.

Joe Rogan 34:22 Ambergris?

Donnell Rawlings 34:23 Ambergris.

Joe Rogan 34:24 Ambergris?

Donnell Rawlings 34:24 Ambergris.

Joe Rogan 34:25 Do you know what that is? No.

Donnell Rawlings 34:26 And this ... Okay, ambergris. This is where, um, 'cause I have a really professional-

Joe Rogan 34:29 Smells good.

Donnell Rawlings 34:29 ... person that does these candles, right? Ambergris, and I was talking to somebody that's really a health nut into raw stuff, ambergris, this is what I was, I heard ambergris was at first, it was sperm-

Joe Rogan 34:39 Mm.

Donnell Rawlings 34:40 ... from a whale. I knew you was gonna get excited about this. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:43 Jesus.

Donnell Rawlings 34:43 Even when I thought about it, esp- uh, this is what, uh, what I heard first. It was sperm from a whale that they mined for, right? But come to find out, it wasn't ... I thought it was, I was like, "Oh, shit. My candle got, uh, uh, whale nut?" Right? But it's not that. It's the byproduct of an actual sperm whale.

Joe Rogan 35:01 Do you know when they used in Red Bulls-

Donnell Rawlings 35:01 But no cruelty. No cruelty.

Joe Rogan 35:03 No cruelty.

Donnell Rawlings 35:04 That's the most important for the-

Joe Rogan 35:04 How'd they get the load out of the whale without being cruel?

Donnell Rawlings 35:06 See, that's when the story started to start ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:08 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 35:09 That's when the story got flaky, you know what I mean? I needed to know more. I was like, "Who was jerking the whale?"

Joe Rogan 35:13 60,000 ... Whoop. Ah, you fucking pop-up ads, you son of a bitch.

Jamie Vernon 35:18 It's not even an ad.

Joe Rogan 35:19 What is it?

Jamie Vernon 35:20 A goddamn email thing.

Joe Rogan 35:21 Oh, you have to give them an email?

Jamie Vernon 35:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:23 Oh, shut up.

Donnell Rawlings 35:24 I know you got it somewhere else on, on them, because I-

Joe Rogan 35:26 No. What I was gonna say is that Red Bull, we found out that Red Bull's made with taurine, and the original source of taurine, they used to get it from bull testicles.

Donnell Rawlings 35:34 Really?

Joe Rogan 35:34 Yeah, the bull nuts. Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 35:35 I-

Joe Rogan 35:35 Like Hitler apparently was into taurine. And he-

Donnell Rawlings 35:38 Bull nuts?

Joe Rogan 35:39 Yeah, yeah. It's like some form of testosterone or something, or some form of stimulant.

Donnell Rawlings 35:43 Why anything that has something to do with sperm it feels like it's supposed to give you su- super strength or something.

Joe Rogan 35:48 People are silly. Ambergris, how to tell if you've struck gold with the whale vomit or stumbled upon sewage. Oh, so sometimes you, they find it, like, floating around.

Donnell Rawlings 36:00 Yeah.

Jamie Vernon 36:01 There you go.

Joe Rogan 36:01 Oh. Is it loads or is it puke?

Donnell Rawlings 36:02 Now, now, now. The first thought, I thought it was sperm, so I was like, "Who the fuck is swimming through..."

Joe Rogan 36:06 Oh my God, look at that shit. It, uh, it can be up to $71,000 for a 1.57 kilogram lump. That's like three, three and a half pounds, right, something like that?

Donnell Rawlings 36:18 And it's saliva. What is the whale wha- what is it? The whale ...

Joe Rogan 36:21 Uh, uh, it said whale vomit.

Donnell Rawlings 36:23 So it's like truffle ... Yes. Look! I knew it!... I knew it was compared to fucking truffles.

Joe Rogan 36:28 Oh.

Donnell Rawlings 36:30 My shit, my candle got trufflish type fucking ambergris notes.

Joe Rogan 36:33 It's a product of the sperm whale, that's what it is. Scroll back up a little bit there, Jimmy.

Donnell Rawlings 36:37 And it's no cruelty, nobody beat the shit out the whale.

Joe Rogan 36:39 Yeah, it's not whale sperm, it's a product of the sperm whale.

Donnell Rawlings 36:42 That's, I, I, I-

Joe Rogan 36:43 And only a sperm whale makes the compound responsible for ambergris allure. It's called ambrein, and different organisms biosynthesize different compounds such as caffeine made by cocoa, coffee, or tea plants. Ambrein is made by sperm whales only to glue together squid beaks. What the fuck?

Donnell Rawlings 37:03 So what you saying now, Joe, is my candle is baller as shit, man.

Joe Rogan 37:06 Look at, but look at, listen to the rest of it. Listen to the rest of this.

Donnell Rawlings 37:08 Oh.

Joe Rogan 37:09 Squid is the main diet of sperm whales, but the beaks can't be digested. They need to be passed out without causing injury and they do this by coating them with ambrein. So the sperm whale creates this amazing shit just to dissolve beaks of squids. Goddamn nature's-

Donnell Rawlings 37:25 Oughta be in my fucking candle.

Joe Rogan 37:27 Goddamn nature's amazing.

Donnell Rawlings 37:28 Had to be in my fucking candle.

Joe Rogan 37:29 You know what? Light my shit with your candle.

Donnell Rawlings 37:30 And to, and to say all that off my black ass. (laughs) But the thing is, it's some quality shit in there, Joe.

Joe Rogan 37:37 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 37:38 And, and the thing about it was, it was... I was gonna launch this before the corona shit hit, but I had to ask myself, like, wh- this is what put things in perspective for me. I'm a road rat, you know I'm a road dog.

Joe Rogan 37:50 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 37:51 When you're a road dog, you start feeling com... You like, I got... You look at your candel- com- comedian... You look at your ca- calendar and see your calendar, you're like, "I'm good." And the rhythm of my calendar before this shit popped, I was rocking with Martin, we had fucking dates coming on. You know what I'm saying? I had some-

Joe Rogan 38:09 Yeah, I was looking forward to those.

Donnell Rawlings 38:10 ... good shit.

Joe Rogan 38:11 Nashville, New Orleans, we were going to have some fun.

Donnell Rawlings 38:12 Nashville, New Orleans.

Joe Rogan 38:13 Ah.

Donnell Rawlings 38:13 I had one time when I was supposed to do you, this was going to be my weekend. It was you and Dave on a Friday, and then Martin Lawrence the next day.

Joe Rogan 38:21 Jesus Christ.

Donnell Rawlings 38:22 And as they say in the streets, God was good as a motherfucker. The last show I did before these mandates came in, it was at the, um, at the Milwau- you've probably played there before, Milwaukee Theater.

Joe Rogan 38:32 Yeah, I think I've been there.

Donnell Rawlings 38:33 The Pabst, the Pabst Theater.

Joe Rogan 38:33 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 38:34 So you've been down in that green room downstairs, right?

Joe Rogan 38:36 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 38:36 Incredible. That was the last time... It was the last time I was on stage.

Joe Rogan 38:40 Do you remember what weekend that was?

Donnell Rawlings 38:42 In, in regards to-

Joe Rogan 38:43 Was that the 14th?

Donnell Rawlings 38:44 Oh, goddamn.

Joe Rogan 38:44 Or was it the weekend before that? There was like a couple of weekends where people were still... Like I remember, uh, Post Malone had a big show in Denver.

Donnell Rawlings 38:51 It was right when it was about to pop. It was like, you know, the reason why, because seeing the days road guy, whatever. Every like... When we were on the road, every day was a different news report. You know what I'm saying? It was right when it was going down, Joe.

Joe Rogan 39:02 Right, right.

Donnell Rawlings 39:02 Like it was like when everybody-

Joe Rogan 39:03 It was accelerating.

Donnell Rawlings 39:04 Yeah, it was, everybody was like, "Oh, fucking..." Uh, th- this what we was hearing, the NBA, baseball, and we was like this, "We good." We telling jokes. Pow, pow, pow. And then next thing you know, the shit-

Joe Rogan 39:16 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 39:16 ... was shut down. But I said, I was like, "Hold up, motherfucker, you are really unemployed right now." You know, and when I say that my flow of income is rode. And I'm like, "What do you do?" You got savings and shit, but you still, nobody wants to just see money going out and no money coming in. And then I was like, I was happy that this is why I was... I could tell you, I always thank you, but I was happy because you got me out the gate, so the momentum is there and I needed to put the focus in on it. I was forced to put the focus in it, but I put the focus on it and I said to myself, as, as all these comedians bitching what am I going to do, I'm like, "You got three months to figure out what your rhythm is going to be and what you're going to do." You can wait for this shit, it's what you ever you consider it to be over, you can wait for it's over and then like start now or you could start now. And the only reason I'm saying like that the candle thing, it was going to be a novelty thing, whatever, but I was like, this candle is going to, going to train me on what it takes to come up with an idea, market it, get people excited about it, provide a quality product and see what the feedback is. You know? So I know it may seem like so simple to people, but as... I've always had a, a entrepreneur spirit, but never was forced to really-

Joe Rogan 40:35 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 40:35 ... engage it.

Joe Rogan 40:36 Yeah. Well, you get-

Donnell Rawlings 40:37 You know?

Joe Rogan 40:37 You only have so much time, right?

Donnell Rawlings 40:39 That's it.

Joe Rogan 40:39 When you're doing stand up constantly and you're always on the road, there's only so much time to do other things. And the worry is that if you do try to do other things, that those things will take time away from your standup. That's what every comic worries about.

Donnell Rawlings 40:49 But I'm, I was a road rat.

Joe Rogan 40:51 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 40:51 So, and I talked to you before it starts, somebody said, every time I do an interview, the first thing people are like, "Oh, it must be..." Because we're on the stage, you and I are... We do this shit. You know what I'm saying? We don't just, "Okay, I got an arena tour coming up. All right, I'm gonna take two weeks." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:12 (laughs) Can you imagine-

Donnell Rawlings 41:12 I'm gonna... Yo, yo, yo-

Joe Rogan 41:13 ... how terrifying that would be?

Donnell Rawlings 41:15 Yo, yo, I'm gonna tape... Look, I'm gonna tape an hour special. I got one week to prepare for it and you see it, it's reflective of the show.

Joe Rogan 41:24 You can tell.

Donnell Rawlings 41:25 We're not that people.

Joe Rogan 41:26 No.

Donnell Rawlings 41:26 We straight up Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. You know, you probably not, so... You, you do clubs anymore?

Joe Rogan 41:34 I do all the clubs.

Donnell Rawlings 41:35 Like the, do you like, do you go out and hit like a comedy club?

Joe Rogan 41:38 Yeah, I still do. I like to. I like to do, uh, Comedy Works in Denver.

Donnell Rawlings 41:41 So you know what those reps, those reps are?

Joe Rogan 41:44 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 41:44 That's what... That, and now you like... For that person, it's just like everything we express, and we, part of why we do it is because it's somewhat about therapy. You know what I'm saying? You angry at something, let me go fucking talk about it. You happy about something? Let me go fucking talk about it. You know? Like, so people like that, when it's time, when it's, when it's time to put up, you, you, you fucking ready to do it. You know what I mean? You're working out.

Joe Rogan 42:09 Yeah, you have to. It's just this... We've all tried standup different ways. You know, there's been comedians since the beginning of standup trying it different ways and pretty much everybody agrees, you got to do it constantly.

Donnell Rawlings 42:20 And that's... And I, I always lose my thought, and this is where I start to interrupt. But the question that I, I had to bring my back, and I'm learning to be better at this, is people always ask on these interviews, they say, "Oh," and I was... This was a follow up on us how we love performing. They say, "Oh man."It's gotta be fucking killing you to not be able to get on stage. And if, uh, if I didn't have my son, like the thing now is, I'm replacing stage time with dad time. And it doesn't affect me as much, you know what I'm saying? It doesn't like, "Oh, I gotta get out!"

Joe Rogan 42:54 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 42:54 'Cause at time I was like, "Okay, I gotta do three spots tonight." I'm watching Orenworld with my son. I'm building a goddamn fucking, uh, uh, uh, a fake candy machine out of cardboard. So it's, it, the transition for me hasn't been that tough because I just put that energy somewhere else and it's been amazing fi- My son's four years old, Joe. This is the longest stretch of time I've spent with him since he was born. And not because I'm a neglectful dad or anything, because you got shows. And to put things in perspective because at one point when I th- I was like, "I can't miss this show! Fuck that, you gotta go get the money, gotta get the money!" Now that I'm getting this time with my son, um, going back out or whatever, I'ma be like, "Does you know what? Maybe I sh- just should start considering counseling that weekend." You know?

Joe Rogan 43:43 You could do things around here too. You know?

Donnell Rawlings 43:45 That's what I'm doing!

Joe Rogan 43:46 I've been thinking a lot about that, about almost like, doing like, a LA residency. Like find a place that's like a 500 seat theater or something like that.

Donnell Rawlings 43:52 But this is what, this is the, this is the beauty of Covie-

Joe Rogan 43:55 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 43:55 ... if there's anything, it makes you think on a different level.

Joe Rogan 43:58 What makes you think that this is really temporary? Just because it's always been there doesn't mean it will always be there.

Donnell Rawlings 44:04 What you mean?

Joe Rogan 44:05 People have gone-

Donnell Rawlings 44:05 The virus or just the con- just the mental?

Joe Rogan 44:06 Anything! Whatever life is.

Donnell Rawlings 44:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:08 The way, the way our society is structured, this is new. All right? There's, the cities themselves are new. They've only, they've only been around here for a few hundred years, right? We pretend-

Donnell Rawlings 44:17 All my friends think we s- the world started in the '60s because... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:20 Whatever it is.

Donnell Rawlings 44:20 All right.

Joe Rogan 44:21 Wha- wh- whatever the date is, we all know that the world used to be very different. We just assume that the way it is now is the way it's gonna stay. That's not a good assumption because it's all volatile and changes constantly, and there's natural disasters that are way scarier than this virus. There's things like asteroid impacts that are inevitable. There's things like super volcanoes, which are inevitable. They're going to happen. Whether they happen 100,000 years from now or 100 days from now, somewhere in the world a giant volcano is gonna explode and it's gonna turn the whole phun- fucking planet into nuclear winter.

Donnell Rawlings 44:54 And people aren't a-

Joe Rogan 44:55 A lot of shit is gonna die. It's gonna cloud out the sun, it's gonna cool the temperature of the planet, and it's gonna do it for years and a lot of fucking things are gonna die. That's happened a ton of times. Uh, that, I mean, this, what we're having right now is-

Donnell Rawlings 45:07 But people are conditioned to it because they went through it. We never went through anything like this.

Joe Rogan 45:10 Exactly! But this is why we're going through something that is the good... If there's anything that's good about going through something is that you're forced to realize that something can happen, something real can happen that shuts the world's economy down and no one saw it coming. Something real, that's a real thing.

Donnell Rawlings 45:25 But we really haven't had, uh, in America, we really haven't had that test.

Joe Rogan 45:29 No, but this is for the whole world though. This is like a planetary test and the good thing about that is it g- you get to see how different people try it. Different people have different, you know, strategies they have to, to deal with their public and their, their healthcare. And it's very different results all over the planet and they're gonna analyze all that shit and try to find out why Germany did so well and Italy did so bad, and this and that. And they're gonna try to put all this stuff together. It's, it's a, it's a terrible time for the people that are affecting the people to get sick.

Donnell Rawlings 45:57 But do you think this-

Joe Rogan 45:58 Because no, there's no, it's not a good thing. But-

Donnell Rawlings 45:59 Do you think-

Joe Rogan 46:00 But pe- people can get something good out of it.

Donnell Rawlings 46:02 100%.

Joe Rogan 46:02 You can get something good out of a bad thing and the good thing is to prepare yourself better. You know?

Donnell Rawlings 46:08 I, I agree with you 100%, but do you think this because when you, you talk about... And you the only motherfucker I would know that would know more than 10 viruses. Most motherfuckers I grew up with only know one virus. You know, you know all the viruses. Do you think, and when they s-

Joe Rogan 46:20 I don't know all the viruses.

Donnell Rawlings 46:21 You know all, you know more viruses than me.

Joe Rogan 46:23 I just know there's numbers. But you know I barely know what I'm talking about.

Donnell Rawlings 46:25 Yeah but you-

Joe Rogan 46:25 It just sounds good 'cause I'm repeating shit.

Donnell Rawlings 46:26 But you read off them ten-syllable words like you know all the motherfucking viruses, motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 46:30 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 46:30 You didn't have to clap it out. But they say, this is what they say about the virus too.

Joe Rogan 46:34 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 46:35 This is what they say about the virus too, Joe. They say it's a bitch-ass virus.

Joe Rogan 46:40 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 46:40 And like, they s- like, is it-

Joe Rogan 46:42 For some people.

Donnell Rawlings 46:43 For some people. Do you think, and I've heard that, well you think it'll be flattening more or when it starts getting really, really hot?

Joe Rogan 46:52 I don't know, see-

Donnell Rawlings 46:52 You don't think, you think the... 'Cause I heard it doesn't survive like 85 degree or 90 degree temperatures. This is what I read somewhere, that it doesn't ha- that the likelihood of it living out of your body, whatever, is l- is l- a lot shorter.

Joe Rogan 47:06 Shorter. Yeah. I don't know if that's true, uh, but I do know that for whatever reason there are seasons, right? Where people get colds. I mean, it kinda makes sense that-

Donnell Rawlings 47:14 Yeah, because you-

Joe Rogan 47:15 ... because it wouldn't be on surfaces as long, like it'd get-

Donnell Rawlings 47:18 That's why you hear, you hear somebody-

Joe Rogan 47:19 ... maybe it'd have an impact.

Donnell Rawlings 47:20 ... will have a cold in the summer and you're like, "Whoa."

Joe Rogan 47:21 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 47:22 "You okay?" 'Cause those viruses, them flu viruses and them coronavirus, that's like some cold shit.

Joe Rogan 47:27 Yeah, I don't know enough to comment on that but I do know that there were... there's gonna be a second wave. There was gonna be a first wave and then people are gonna relax, and then there's gonna be a second wave.

Donnell Rawlings 47:37 Oh it'll be a second wave-

Joe Rogan 47:38 So for, for us-

Donnell Rawlings 47:38 ... if people have the c- if people build too much confidence-

Joe Rogan 47:40 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 47:41 ... it's definitely gonna be a second wave.

Joe Rogan 47:42 What's weird to me is how some people get it and it's nothing. They don't even, they, they just go, "Oh I had a cough for a couple days. I can't believe I had that."

Donnell Rawlings 47:49 A p- person close to mind that works in my camp, I won't say his name or whatever, right? Person goes, this motherfucker had corona light!

Joe Rogan 47:57 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 47:58 Yo, I know this, I try to be funny, it's the truth.

Joe Rogan 48:00 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 48:00 This motherfucker said... I talked to... that her- he said he, that heard he had corona. I was like, "Oh, nigga got corona!" I was all fucked up, right?

Joe Rogan 48:08 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 48:08 I was like, "Oh shit." (singing) Like all this shit, right? And then the motherfucker say he was home like three days later. I'm like, "What fucking type of corona you got?"

Joe Rogan 48:16 So he was in the hospital for three days?

Donnell Rawlings 48:17 Yeah, he was in the hospital for three days.

Joe Rogan 48:18 That's... Listen, if you're in the hospital for three days, that means you got it bad.

Donnell Rawlings 48:22 Michael, Michael motherfucking-

Joe Rogan 48:24 That's bad. Michael Yo.

Donnell Rawlings 48:24 Michael Yo. And the weird-

Joe Rogan 48:25 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 48:25 ... thing about the Michael Yo joint 'cause like, um, I love Michael Yo, right? We're good friends.

Joe Rogan 48:31 I love that dude.

Donnell Rawlings 48:31 Michael, he's such a great dude.

Joe Rogan 48:32 He's a great guy.

Donnell Rawlings 48:33 Yo, Joe, he's n- a great guy. So I was up, I'm up early every morning, 4:00, 4:30, I'm up early, right? And certain people are up like 5:00 hit, um, um, I posted something and, and Yo liked it, which is okay, normal of him, and then he commented. I was like, "Oh motherfucker, you up!"... right? I'm like, "You wanna comment? You up." You could, you could like in your sleep, right?

Joe Rogan 48:53 Right. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 48:53 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 48:53 But, to comment (laughs) , you can just automatic. Like, "Oh, p- how many... I, I need... I owe this motherfucker, like, blah, blah, blah." Comment is like, okay, put the glasses on, right? So, and this when I was of the notion. I was like, "Motherfuckers, um... The shit that's so fucked about this pandemic is that motherfuckers are afraid to die." And then I said, and this one, this what my mind was. I was like, "Only time motherfuckers really think about living is when they think they gonna die." That's when, when someone... When the doctor says, "Well, how long does he have to live?" "Three years." The motherfucker wanna do everything. They wanna see their parents more.

Joe Rogan 49:25 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 49:25 They wanna fucking do their bucket list shit. You know what I'm saying? I was like, that's it. Motherfuckers, they afraid to die. And y- y- you gotta know that it's inevitable that it's gonna happen to everybody, you know? So, I was just... I just wanted to rap with Yo. So I told him, I said, "Man..." And I told him this whole shit. I said, "Man, motherfucker ain't trying to live until a motherfucker is, um, uh, thinking about dying." And j- and Michael Yo said, "Nigga almost died, right?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:52 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 49:52 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 49:53 And that moment was so... Meant so much to me for-

Joe Rogan 49:56 (coughing)

Donnell Rawlings 49:56 ... so many reasons, Joe. To hear Michael Yo say the word nigga, son.

Joe Rogan 49:59 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 50:00 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 50:00 That... I got the same feeling when Wayne Brady said it's Wayne Brady gonna have to smack a bitch.

Joe Rogan 50:04 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 50:05 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 50:05 I was like, "My nigga! Finally!" I was so happy. I was so happy 'cause Michael Yo's one of the most unscathed motherfuckers you know.

Joe Rogan 50:15 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 50:16 This mother-

Joe Rogan 50:16 Unscathed.

Donnell Rawlings 50:17 It seem like Michael Yo name should've been Preston or something like that, right?

Joe Rogan 50:20 Ah.

Donnell Rawlings 50:20 And then he told me what his situation was, whatever, and he's getting better. He had announced it or whatever, but-

Joe Rogan 50:26 He got it bad.

Donnell Rawlings 50:27 ... he got it bad.

Joe Rogan 50:27 He got it real bad. He was in the hospital, and he legitimately told me he thought he w- was dead.

Donnell Rawlings 50:31 To my point, as much as we wanna consider it... That's all we hear, the death of it, the death.

Joe Rogan 50:37 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 50:38 So-and-so died in 24 hours. So-

Joe Rogan 50:39 But the thing about Michael Yo you have to really consider is that he's healthy. He's young.

Donnell Rawlings 50:43 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 50:44 He's robust. Like, he's a guy who works out a lot, does a lot of lifting weights.

Donnell Rawlings 50:48 100%.

Joe Rogan 50:48 When you hear that he got it and almost died, you're like, "Oh, well, this is a different thing." I'm thinking we're talking so much about-

Donnell Rawlings 50:53 I'm thinking not, not that much.

Joe Rogan 50:54 ... obesity.

Donnell Rawlings 50:54 That nigga eat fried chicken too.

Joe Rogan 50:55 Oh, does he?

Donnell Rawlings 50:56 Nah. Yo, Yo, don't let him twist you up. That nigga ain't no health, health, health nut like that.

Joe Rogan 51:01 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 51:01 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 51:01 Nah, I'm just, I'm saying. Michael Yo got a 50/50, nigga. You get in touch with your Black side or your Asian side. Which-

Joe Rogan 51:07 Ah.

Donnell Rawlings 51:07 ... which side did Michael Yo catch Corona in?

Joe Rogan 51:10 Yeah, but he's-

Donnell Rawlings 51:10 Was it the Black side of his family?

Joe Rogan 51:11 He's thin, and he works out a lot. Like, he's not, he is not overweight at all, and he lifts weights a lot.

Donnell Rawlings 51:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:17 We talked about on the podcast. He goes to this, like, weightlifting gym.

Donnell Rawlings 51:21 I know.

Joe Rogan 51:21 What was that place he goes to? It's, it's like some... It's just all weightlifting.

Jamie Vernon 51:26 Yeah, yeah, I know that.

Donnell Rawlings 51:27 I know what you talking about.

Joe Rogan 51:27 It's like they have classes.

Donnell Rawlings 51:28 And, and, and he's a healthy guy. That's why when I say... When, uh, uh, the point I'm making is like, you know, it's not like... This may sound crazy. Like, when you... Back in the day, when you heard about AIDS, you didn't hear... When it first popped, nobody survived that shit.

Joe Rogan 51:45 It's true.

Donnell Rawlings 51:46 Nobody. It was like, you get AIDS, nigga, four months, it's a wrap.

Joe Rogan 51:50 And everybody thought they had it.

Donnell Rawlings 51:51 And everybody thought they had. But, the reason why... And it, it took some time for, now, it doesn't have a cure, but people are living with it. People are having health problems.

Joe Rogan 51:58 When did you get tested? When did you get tested?

Donnell Rawlings 52:00 Uh, about four years ago.

Joe Rogan 52:01 That's scary. The first time you got tested for AIDS?

Donnell Rawlings 52:03 Nah, not the first time. The first time was like, "Ah."

Joe Rogan 52:06 I got tested for an insurance thing that I had to do for health insurance in like '92. '90- some... '92-ish, and I was so terrified.

Donnell Rawlings 52:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:14 Just a slideshow of all the-

Donnell Rawlings 52:15 The Corona joint.

Joe Rogan 52:16 ... terrible decisions I've made.

Donnell Rawlings 52:17 The Corona joint. But, the, the point I was making, but when that first, when that first hit, um, when that first hit, motherfuckers was like... And it was like people didn't really take it as serious because they just thought it was just associated with a certain lifestyle.

Joe Rogan 52:33 Well-

Donnell Rawlings 52:33 You know?

Joe Rogan 52:33 Originally, we thought anybody could get it. That's what they were really worried. They were worried that... I mean, this was... Remember, they... When did they even start calling it HIV? Like, in the beginning, they were just calling it AIDS, right?

Donnell Rawlings 52:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:46 People were worried about... And, and, you know, I think before that, they didn't even call it the gay cancer. Like, they were trying to figure out-

Donnell Rawlings 52:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:51 ... what it was that was killing people, but when I took, uh, my first test in '92, I remember all my friends were going through a similar situation.

Donnell Rawlings 52:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:59 Everybody was terrified to take the test.

Donnell Rawlings 53:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:01 'Cause we were all convinced that it had some incubation period.

Donnell Rawlings 53:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:05 That you could have it in your body, and you'd be fine for five years, six years-

Donnell Rawlings 53:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:09 ... seven... Boom! And it would, it would kick in.

Donnell Rawlings 53:11 But the point, though, the point I'm making about that is that n- like, um, but, like, you hearing, you hear these stories of people like a Michael Yo.

Joe Rogan 53:20 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 53:20 You hear the story about the person I was talking about early. You hear of people that when you heard they, um, uh, uh, got it or whatever, that they made it through. People are surviving it. You know?

Joe Rogan 53:30 Yes.

Donnell Rawlings 53:31 And-

Joe Rogan 53:31 Some people.

Donnell Rawlings 53:32 Yeah, some people, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:33 Yeah, but that's what's weird about it, man. It's killing some people that are young, and apparently there's something called... That I never took into consideration, uh, called viral load. And this is, uh, uh-

Donnell Rawlings 53:42 From the sperm whale? Whale is not- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:44 (laughs) It's nothing to do with it. What is... How, how do I exactly define viral load? So, it depen-... Like, someone who works as a nurse in an ER who deals with a lot of these patients is much more likely to get it than someone just gets in contact with one person who has it.

Donnell Rawlings 53:56 That's the constant being around?

Joe Rogan 53:58 Yeah, the load.

Donnell Rawlings 53:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:59 I mean, they're, th- these, these poor people that are working in healthcare right now, they're dealing with this constant environment of sickness, and a lot of young nurses are dying.

Donnell Rawlings 54:08 Yeah, that's the, that's the, um-

Joe Rogan 54:10 Young doctors.

Donnell Rawlings 54:11 That is so fucked up, and it's so... And that's interesting because you, like, you know we have this shortage of these masks, and everybody's doing masks and stuff. And one of my friends is like, "I need a mask." I was like, "You better get a scarf. Do something, right?" And he was like, "No, I need the, the N94 3M," so-and-so. I'm like, "If you're walking down... If you walk down the street, um, with one of those fucking surgical doctor's masks to go to the fucking store, you should feel ashamed of yourself because the doctors and nurses are the people that need that stash."... the people that are out there on the front line are the ones that need that stash.

Joe Rogan 54:47 That's true, but in California, you have to wear those now. In LA-

Donnell Rawlings 54:50 Yeah, but I'm talk-

Joe Rogan 54:51 ... you have to wear those when you're out.

Donnell Rawlings 54:52 Yeah, you have to. I'm talking about the level, like the one I'm talking about is the one that-

Joe Rogan 54:55 Oh, you mean the real filter ones?

Donnell Rawlings 54:57 The, the, the real filter ones.

Joe Rogan 54:58 Yeah, right.

Donnell Rawlings 54:58 And I know that they, like, at first it was all about everybody was like of the notion you gotta have this certain mask, but then they said, you know, you have to cover yourself, have to do it. Th- they won't even let you into certain spots because of it now.

Joe Rogan 55:09 Yeah, yeah. No, you... There's a new law in Los Angeles. In Los Angeles, when you're out, you have to have your face covered, which is like-

Donnell Rawlings 55:15 Oh, yeah. 100%.

Joe Rogan 55:16 Man that, that is-

Donnell Rawlings 55:17 Is that just... uh, it's... Is that just-

Joe Rogan 55:19 I don't know. It's-

Donnell Rawlings 55:19 ... for going into businesses or just-

Joe Rogan 55:20 It's a weird precedent to set.

Donnell Rawlings 55:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:22 Because e- e-... Now people in the future, like when are you gonna tell them they can't cover their face anymore? This is where it gets weird. Because before-

Donnell Rawlings 55:29 They're never gonna say that.

Joe Rogan 55:30 ... it was weird. Before-

Donnell Rawlings 55:31 They'll say-

Joe Rogan 55:31 Hold on. Before it was weird if you saw someone with their face covered. You would get nervous-

Donnell Rawlings 55:35 If they weren't Asian.

Joe Rogan 55:36 ... they were trying to rob you.

Donnell Rawlings 55:37 If they weren't Asian. Asian.

Joe Rogan 55:38 Imagine if you're a guy who works at a 24-hour convenience store and everybody's got a fucking face mask.

Donnell Rawlings 55:43 True. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:43 Do you know how much that guy's s-... his tension has spiked?

Donnell Rawlings 55:46 You're right.

Joe Rogan 55:47 His anxiety has spiked? Everyone could potentially rob him if you're working a late-night shift.

Donnell Rawlings 55:51 Joe, you're not gonna believe this. You're not gonna believe this. That's why I got a see-through mask now. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:57 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 55:57 Tired of motherfuckers. You wanna get back to really racial profiling? All right, get the see-through-

Joe Rogan 56:03 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 56:03 But you're right, that has to make people-

Joe Rogan 56:04 Dude, if you work in a liquor store and-

Donnell Rawlings 56:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:07 ... you know, like your, your, your, your liquor store has been robbed a couple times already, you know.

Donnell Rawlings 56:11 How... First off, if I were... There's... Here's the deal. Liquor store, anybody who's thinking about robbing a liquor store, keep in mind that I'm almost certain that every motherfucker that own a liquor store got a shotgun or a pistol back there.

Joe Rogan 56:26 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 56:26 I don't give a fuck, they're gonna have something back there. So-

Joe Rogan 56:29 Tell you-

Donnell Rawlings 56:29 ... you can roll up in there with your fucking Spider-Man mask if you want to, you won't get your head split.

Joe Rogan 56:34 That's a crazy job to be in, man, to put yourself in a situation where every day you go at work, you might have a gun stuck in your face and be told to empty out the cash register, like any day. Like you live in fear of that, that people coming in might rob you.

Donnell Rawlings 56:46 I said... I was at... I have a routine. I don't socialize but I go out and get coffee, right? There's this 7-Eleven I go to and, um, I know the motherfucking Mexican motherfucker that work in there, right? And I was outside in the car and there was a Black guy in there and I could tell him this guy was looking at the Black guy. Next thing you know, and I was about to do a radio interview for DC, my man Joe Clay a shout-out, and these motherfuckers started rumbling, like fighting, like going at it, like pop, pop, pop, fuck you, fuck you. And my instinct was to try to go help or do something and for a second I was like, "Oh, this is just fucked up, man. Stop that." Then I was like, "Rona out there, motherfucker. I'm not getting in it." And then finally they stopped, but it just... it was just weird like-

Joe Rogan 57:32 That kind of contact, yeah, unless-

Donnell Rawlings 57:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:34 ... you're stopping a man from doing that to a woman or unless you're stopping someone from hurting someone as much as small as them.

Donnell Rawlings 57:39 But that guy... This motherfucker work for 7-Eleven, Joe, and like he's defending whatever, might have been a can of Spam or whatever the situation is. And he's-

Joe Rogan 57:45 Oh, that's what they're fighting over?

Donnell Rawlings 57:46 I don't know what it was.

Joe Rogan 57:47 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 57:47 I don't know what it was. I'm pretty sure he's accused the guy of shoplifting.

Joe Rogan 57:51 Oh.

Donnell Rawlings 57:51 But he put his... especially in this day and age whatever, in, in the state that we're all... This motherfucker was fighting... He was fighting for this shit.

Joe Rogan 58:00 Joel, let it go.

Donnell Rawlings 58:02 Yeah. You gotta let it go. I'm like this motherfucker, you can have-

Joe Rogan 58:04 Especially 'cause you're just an employee. Imagine having a fight for a can of Spam-

Donnell Rawlings 58:08 But that's what I'm putting.

Joe Rogan 58:09 ... and just getting paid $5 an hour anyway.

Donnell Rawlings 58:11 In Hawaii?

Joe Rogan 58:12 What's minimum wage? What's been-

Donnell Rawlings 58:13 What?

Joe Rogan 58:13 What's minimum?

Donnell Rawlings 58:13 It's like 11 bucks.

Joe Rogan 58:15 Seven, fif-

Donnell Rawlings 58:15 No, no. It's, it's, it's over seven.

Joe Rogan 58:16 I have zero idea.

Donnell Rawlings 58:17 I'm-

Joe Rogan 58:17 They're trying to make it $15, right? Yes, they are.

Donnell Rawlings 58:19 (laughs) I don't even know anybody that's making minimum wage.

Joe Rogan 58:21 I know a few people, I bet.

Donnell Rawlings 58:22 It's like $11. I think it's like $11 or $12.

Joe Rogan 58:25 Yeah?

Donnell Rawlings 58:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:26 Yeah. Imagine fighting someone for $11 or $12 an hour.

Donnell Rawlings 58:30 They will.

Joe Rogan 58:30 You're fighting to the death.

Donnell Rawlings 58:31 If they're Mexican, they will.

Joe Rogan 58:32 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 58:32 Yo. (laughs) You can start a new league, bruh.

Joe Rogan 58:37 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 58:37 Yo, you can start a Home Depot MMA match or something. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:41 That's hilarious.

Donnell Rawlings 58:41 Them dudes will fight mask free, they don't give a fuck.

Joe Rogan 58:44 That's hilarious.

Donnell Rawlings 58:45 Yeah, but I was just like this, "Goddamn, what, what are you loyal to? This company or are you loyal to the fact that you're in there protecting this 7-Eleven goods because you're providing money for your family?" But I'd have said I would never say-

Joe Rogan 58:56 What's crazy is he doesn't even have a fucking security guard. Like the guy behind the counter has got to go back there and fight with them.

Donnell Rawlings 59:00 And it was just one... It was... It's w-... It was one dude.

Joe Rogan 59:02 Yeah, bro.

Donnell Rawlings 59:03 One dude. No, no, he couldn't ju... They couldn't jump or anything. It was one fucking dude.

Joe Rogan 59:06 Can you imagine being that dude that's in the sketchy area with the late nights, the late-night shift, and just sitting there looking out the window, looking at all these people? You're in there like a little target.

Donnell Rawlings 59:16 Man, I'm telling you, I would be more fearful of that dude that's in that situation every day than the motherfucker that's coming in here.

Joe Rogan 59:21 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 59:22 'Cause he... you know he's played that scenario on his head forever.

Joe Rogan 59:25 Probably has to. That's stressful.

Donnell Rawlings 59:26 Oh, they're gonna come in. I'm gonna... I know how to hit the button and everything.

Joe Rogan 59:29 Yeah, dude. A lot of people, they, they catch people slipping all the time.

Donnell Rawlings 59:33 Yep.

Joe Rogan 59:33 It's just those videos that you watch on YouTube and you see someone get shot or you see someone get robbed, I'm like, "Man, this is just a job." Just a terrible job and you're getting a gun put in your face.

Donnell Rawlings 59:44 But think about getting actually robbed.

Joe Rogan 59:46 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 59:47 That... I was... I used to live in Brooklyn and I used to live in this area called Fort Greene/Clinton Hills and it was in the... right in the beginning of being, um, gentrified, right? Spike Lee used to have a, um, house right down the street and I used to do a poet-... a comedy poetry night, get a little money from the hat or whatever. And one night I'm going to the weed spot, right? I'm like, "Fuck it, I'm gonna go get some weed." I go to the weed spot, two motherfuckers roll up on me and I know I was in a gentrified neighborhood because my hood senses were down. I should have never been looking down. Two motherfuckers roll up on me, "Give me your shit, motherfucker." I'm like, "Oh, shit." They was like, "Where the..." This motherfucker said, "Where the jewelry?" 'Cause I'm not a flashy type of person. He's like, "Where the jewelry? Where the phone at, motherfucker?" I was like, "I don't travel like that. I don't get down like that." This motherfucker said, "Oh, you're a broke motherfucker." You calling me broke?

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 1:00:35 And you fucking robbing me? I'm like, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 Yeah. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 1:00:40 Somebody didn't raise you right, that makes no sense. And I was still gonna go to the weed spot 'cause I still had a couple of bucks in my pocket, right? But I was like, "It would be just my luck, I go to the weed spot and the same motherfucker that robbed me is in the goddamn weed spot."

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 1:00:53 But that shit was like...... people and the, and when it happened to me, I felt fucked up. I felt so violated because I'm like, "You a bitch." I would respect you more if you mugged me. You know, like beat me up for my money. But to pull a gun out and have that advantage and think you tough, that shit was so fucked up and I felt so violated. On the inside, I was thinking like probably what most white dudes think, "You know what? I'm gonna jump for the gun" (laughs) like you. I'm thinking probably what you're thinking. I'm gonna disarm him, 'cause I know you gotta move if somebody put ... I know you, you know something if somebody put a gun to you. You'll be like ... and then next thing you know the gun be, be in their face. I was thinking that shit but I was like, "If I miss ..."

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 People have a distorted idea of what they can do, especially if a guy's got a gun on you. You have a real distorted idea of how quickly you can move through space. Like, all this person has to do is this. That's it.

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 That's the great equalizer.

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:50 So that's what the-

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 A little movement like that and a kid can kill you. You know?

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:53 And that's was, the reason why I didn't go with how I felt-

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:56 ... on the inside.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 Oh, you have to. You gotta just-

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:57 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 ... give them the money. It's just, uh, it, yeah, you're right, it's a, it's a bitch way to do things. But-

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:04 It is.

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 ... it's just a, it's a part of society that most people never use. Most people never pull a gun on people to get what they want. But some people do. It's a real thing. And it's, uh, it's a, it's one of the weakest things someone can do. You know?

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:17 It is. It felt-

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 But it also will protect you.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:19 And you ... but you feel powerless.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 But it also can protect you.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:21 On the other side.

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 On the other side, it can protect you. You know, I watched a video today of these guys-

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:25 Yeah, but they don't, don't, don't, the other-

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 ... break into a new apartment.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:27 ... side on in places, and we talked about this before, the other side were places where it's legal. Like, you know, the only people that have guns for protection, and I'm speaking about living in New York, was the police.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:37 Legally.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Right. Legally.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:38 Legally.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 That's where it gets real crazy, right? Like, then it's like, California is the opposite. California, it's not that hard to get a gun, you know? People would think that California would be way more liberal than New York, but New York it's very difficult to get a handgun.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:52 You can get like a personal carry, not just for like if you ... I know if you have business, you carry a certain amount of money, you can get a gun.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:58 In California, you can get it just by having a clean record?

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 Yeah, you can get it for your home. Yeah. Um, Nevada has really interesting, well, uh, excuse me, Arizona has real interesting laws.

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:08 Man, I was, motherfucker picked this up for a show one time and his shit was out.

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 Yeah. Arizona, you could have it out. It's ... yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 It's a open carry state.

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:15 That's a equalizer. That shuts down road rage.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 Arizona. Arizona, yeah. That's Arizona, right?

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 Yeah. It's a wild west down there.

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:21 I know for sure, I've seen a guy that was, uh ... I, I had a gig out there, he was not only our driver, but he was ... he had his shit right here.

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 Like Joe Exotic, right? He's in Oklahoma and so he's walking around with that-

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:31 Yeah, that motherfucker (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 They