Joe Rogan Experience #1461 - Owen Smith

Joe Rogan 0:01 Owen Smith.

Owen Smith 0:02 He- hey- hey. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:03 How you feeling?

Owen Smith 0:04 (laughs) I feel good, man. I'm, um, I'm excited. We-

Joe Rogan 0:08 Cheers.

Owen Smith 0:08 Cheers, man.

Joe Rogan 0:09 Salud.

Owen Smith 0:09 Come on, man. Salud. Yes.

Joe Rogan 0:11 Yeah. We, uh, just tested, Owen. Um-

Owen Smith 0:13 Yes. Negative.

Joe Rogan 0:14 There's apparently has been some controversy about this, so just let me, um-

Owen Smith 0:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 0:18 ... let everybody know right away. There's no shortage of antibody tests. What we're using, there's no shortage of them. People are saying, "Why do people on the front lines, there's a lot of people..." It's just misunderstanding and confusion. These tests, there's no shortage of. Uh, I understand some people in some places have a hard time getting access to the test. That's not the case here. So, I've taken it upon myself to test everybody as they come into the studio.

Owen Smith 0:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 0:44 This is not taking away from anybody that's on the front lines. This is not taking tests away from any medical workers. Um, the, the, the tests that they would use for them, particularly the a- they're using swabs. I mean, look, man. Those fucking people that are working in those hospitals and the medical workers, those people are legit heroes.

Owen Smith 1:02 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:03 You know? And if I found out that-

Owen Smith 1:05 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:05 ... there was something we were doing that was somehow another taking away from their ability to be tested, I would never do it.

Owen Smith 1:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:10 You know? So, people got upset, apparently, because, uh... Well, a- also, people writing articles about things, 'cause they, there's, you know, it's like it's a hot topic.

Owen Smith 1:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:19 In their home, too. It is. (laughs)

Owen Smith 1:22 And their home. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22 But I get it. I get it.

Owen Smith 1:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:23 I'm not hating, I'm not mad. I get it, you know, but when I posted that Donnell and I were 'Rona free, people like ... Someone, someone posted some story where they, they ... Here's what's hilarious.

Owen Smith 1:33 (laughs) They-

Joe Rogan 1:34 I go out of my way to not read comments.

Owen Smith 1:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:36 And these motherfuckers are writing stories-

Owen Smith 1:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:37 ... where they're taking comments from Instagram and using them as quotes.

Owen Smith 1:42 Ah.

Joe Rogan 1:42 Just some random magoo that's, uh, posting something. And this, one of them said that-

Owen Smith 1:47 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:48 ... we were, "Low-key flexing that we had tests." (laughs)

Owen Smith 1:52 That's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 1:53 That's just someone just looking to use the term low-key flexing.

Owen Smith 1:57 Low-key. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:57 And they don't have any place for it, so they were just like-

Owen Smith 2:00 Boom.

Joe Rogan 2:00 ... "He's low-key flexing that he's got a Corona test."

Owen Smith 2:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:03 So, it's a, it's a test that, um, tests you-

Owen Smith 2:06 Yes.

Joe Rogan 2:06 ... for antibodies.

Owen Smith 2:07 And you were laughing at my face the entire time.

Joe Rogan 2:09 (laughs) I was a little nervous.

Owen Smith 2:10 I just was just so ...

Joe Rogan 2:11 You were a little nervous, but-

Owen Smith 2:12 Just thinking of-

Joe Rogan 2:12 There also, there was something that I sh- I shared with you earlier today.

Owen Smith 2:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:15 There was a new study that, uh ... Jamie, see if you could pull up that study. It is out of, uh, uh, I think it's out of UCLA. Is that what it's out of? Um, it's, uh, it says, "Early antibody tests indicate far more, uh, cases and a much lower, uh, mortality rate."

Owen Smith 2:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:34 So, they think there's at least 400,000 people have been infected in, in California. So, the mortality rate is way, way lower than they previously thought it was, at least in California. You know, it obviously varies. This is a crazy disease.

Owen Smith 2:52 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 2:53 It doesn't make any sense. It varies depending upon what, your physical condition, whether or not you've been smoking, whether or not ... There's apparently a, a great benefit to exercising regularly, even while you have it if you catch it, exercising.

Owen Smith 3:06 Mm.

Joe Rogan 3:07 But then there was this fucking crazy thing. What is that guy's name? The Fox thing?

Owen Smith 3:11 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:11 Pu- put up ... We'll do the first ...

Jamie Vernon 3:13 Oh, I'm trying to find ... It's the LA Times, and it's got the subscription blocker on it, so I can't-

Joe Rogan 3:16 Oh, these sons of bitches. Here, I'll send you another one.

Owen Smith 3:18 Okay.

Jamie Vernon 3:18 I'm trying to find a different one.

Joe Rogan 3:19 There's a, there's one on la.com.

Owen Smith 3:22 Oh, I'm a, I belong to the LA Times. I can give you mine.

Joe Rogan 3:25 Look at you.

Owen Smith 3:26 I support journalism.

Joe Rogan 3:28 I do too, but not LA Times.

Owen Smith 3:30 (laughs) I like their, it reads like movies, their, their articles.

Joe Rogan 3:32 I get it. I just, I don't have the time for that. Here it goes. Uh, "Early antibody tests f- uh, indicates far more COVID-19 cases, lower mortality rate. Um, there's a decrease in the number of deaths. The study indicates that there could be hundreds of thousands of people who could be infected without knowing it." That's what's so weird about it.

Owen Smith 3:50 Let me ask you this question though. Can you explain mortality rate? Just like layman's terms.

Joe Rogan 3:55 Yes. The amount of people that get it and how many of them die.

Owen Smith 3:57 So, if it's a high mortality rate, it's like, "You're fucked."

Joe Rogan 4:00 Yes. Right. Like Ebola.

Owen Smith 4:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:01 Vicious mortality rate.

Owen Smith 4:03 Yes. Okay.

Joe Rogan 4:03 Really. But rabies, the worst. 100%.

Owen Smith 4:06 Yes. Okay.

Joe Rogan 4:06 Rabies is like 99.99%.

Owen Smith 4:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:08 The only time they, they, they, if they catch it before the, the symptoms set in, you survive.

Owen Smith 4:13 You can survive.

Joe Rogan 4:14 But if they don't catch it-

Owen Smith 4:15 You're fucked.

Joe Rogan 4:15 ... before the symptoms set in ... And look, if you just get rabies, you don't get over it on your own.

Owen Smith 4:19 That's right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:19 You have to get the medication.

Owen Smith 4:20 That's why every Black person I know always crosses the street when they see a random dog.

Joe Rogan 4:24 (laughs)

Owen Smith 4:25 (laughs) Like, it's like, in these communities and, and, and people don't have their dog leash. They go, "It's okay. He's safe." Like, we're like, "Man, fuck that."

Joe Rogan 4:32 Fuck that. Dude, I've been bitten by dogs.

Owen Smith 4:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:34 Fuck that.

Owen Smith 4:34 It's like, "I'm gonna take your word for this?"

Joe Rogan 4:36 Yeah, yeah. The s- nobody loves dogs more than me.

Owen Smith 4:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:38 I love dogs. But random dogs ... Like, you never know what someone did to that dog, you know?

Owen Smith 4:43 Ever.

Joe Rogan 4:43 You never know how people treat that dog.

Owen Smith 4:44 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:45 And I've had a bunch of sketchy dogs.

Owen Smith 4:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:48 (laughs) I've had, I've had dogs that I got from the pound that were super sketchy.

Owen Smith 4:51 Where you just knew?

Joe Rogan 4:52 I came home once, one of my dogs killed my other dog-

Owen Smith 4:54 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 4:55 ... in my living room, man.

Owen Smith 4:55 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 4:56 My living room was a goddamn crime scene. I'm like, "Oh, Jesus Christ."

Owen Smith 4:58 (laughs) It's just a little outline of the dog.

Joe Rogan 5:00 Yeah.

Owen Smith 5:00 Oh.

Joe Rogan 5:01 Yeah, I've had some, I've had some bad experience ... That was a rescue dog as well.

Owen Smith 5:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:05 I've had some bad experiences with dogs. When I was a kid, m- uh, we, we adopted a dog that had distemper, a Doberman. And, uh, he start, he started like, his eyes were like glazed over and he's just snarling at us and barking at us.

Owen Smith 5:16 Oh, coming down.

Joe Rogan 5:16 I'm like, "Oh, Jesus Christ."

Owen Smith 5:19 Yeah. I couldn't. I couldn't.

Joe Rogan 5:20 Yeah.

Owen Smith 5:20 We, I grew up in apartments, so we, we couldn't have dogs. And then, uh, so I had a cat (laughs) named Taco.

Joe Rogan 5:28 (laughs)

Owen Smith 5:29 My dad gave him to me. And, uh, I went to go visit him in the Bahamas. He gave me a cat. I think he knew it would piss my mom off.

Joe Rogan 5:35 (laughs)

Owen Smith 5:36 And so, I had a cat growing up, (laughs) named Taco.

Joe Rogan 5:39 (laughs) He brought it back from the Bahamas?

Owen Smith 5:40 Oh, yeah. I had Taco back with a cake, uh, a cake-

Joe Rogan 5:43 That's hilarious.

Owen Smith 5:43 ... from the, from the Conley's Bakery that they, uh, that they have over there. And, uh, and a, um, and a cat.

Joe Rogan 5:50 A cake and a cat.

Owen Smith 5:51 And my mom, and my mom was pissed.

Joe Rogan 5:53 See if you can find this conversation, Jamie, that they're-

Jamie Vernon 5:57 I did, I did, I did.

Owen Smith 5:57 So-

Jamie Vernon 5:57 And it's, it says they're joking, but it also has a question that says that they're joking.

Joe Rogan 6:00 No, but that's Mediate, it says they're joking, right?

Jamie Vernon 6:03 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:03 Yeah, every other website is not saying they're joking.

Jamie Vernon 6:04 Okay.

Joe Rogan 6:04 It doesn't sound like they're joking. I think they're trying to come up with some sort of a cover for it.

Owen Smith 6:08 Mm.

Joe Rogan 6:08 But let's, let's play what, what he said. It's John Roberts, who is a correspondent for Fox.

Owen Smith 6:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:14 And then who is the other guy? The other guy works for the New York Times?

Jamie Vernon 6:17 Uh-

Joe Rogan 6:17 ... Doug Mills, he's a photographer. Doug. Okay. So now, let's ... It says, "Apparently joking." I ... It doesn't sound like they're joking. Play, play what it says, 'cause, uh, John ... Let me explain it here. John Roberts comes in and, uh ... It's gonna play a, an ad before this, Jamie, so kill the volume.

Guest (unidentified brief interjection) 6:31 Oh.

Joe Rogan 6:32 Uh, John Roberts comes in and when he comes in, uh, he's not wearing a mask and he tells the other gentleman, "You can take the mask off."

Owen Smith 6:40 Mm.

Joe Rogan 6:40 And he tells him about this LA study. Go ahead, play it here.

6:46 What's up, Johnny?

Owen Smith 6:46 Hi, man.

Joe Rogan 6:47 Where'd you go, babe? You can take off your mask, Doug. The, uh, case fatality rate's like 0.1 to 0.3, according to the UFC- Is it really? That's, uh, that's, that's reassuring. USC ... Everybody here has been vaccinated anyway. USC and LA County Public Health came out with a study. They found that there were 7,000 cases in California, but they really believe that there are anywhere from 221,000 to 442,000 people who were infected. Really? Yeah. So that makes it 0.1 to 0.3? Yeah. There's a study to give out these days? Yeah, just give it to them. So it suggests the case fatality rate is like 10 or whatever it seems. Well, which puts you right in line with the flu. Yeah, exactly. That, that's what it is. So it was a hoax. I don't think it was a hoax. (laughs)

7:39 So the, here's wh- here's what's weird about that. One, that guy says, "Well, we've all been vaccinated here anyway."

Owen Smith 7:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:47 Now, maybe he was joking. Maybe he ge- he's got a weird sense of humor.

Owen Smith 7:53 A long joke. Terrible joke.

Joe Rogan 7:54 It's a weird joke.

Owen Smith 7:55 Yeah, weird. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:57 M- now, they have done some trial vaccines. There are some vaccines that are in trial. There was a woman in Seattle. She was the first person to, uh, get tested.

Owen Smith 8:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:08 And, uh, I sent this, uh, stuff to, uh, Matt Stags earlier today, and he sent something to me. Um, there, there have been several different ... There's 70 coronavirus vaccines right now that are under development with, uh, three in human trials.

Owen Smith 8:25 Okay.

Joe Rogan 8:25 So there, there have been some things going on right now. And the first person treated with the coronavirus is in Seattle. There's a, an article about that-

Owen Smith 8:35 Damn.

Joe Rogan 8:35 ... where she's talking about getting tested.

Owen Smith 8:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:37 But this, this guy saying, "We've all been vaccinated," like, I don't know what that means. It's hard to tell. People, ph- people have a weird sense of humor, right? Like, if you listen to comics-

Owen Smith 8:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:48 ... and if you took some of the shit that we say-

Owen Smith 8:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:49 ... and wrote it down-

Owen Smith 8:50 And put it down.

Joe Rogan 8:51 ... you'd be like, these are terrible people.

Owen Smith 8:53 We'd be ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:53 Yeah. They're eating babies. They're, they're, they're-

Owen Smith 8:54 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 8:54 ... they're raping old ladies, you know. Like, w- we say ridiculous shit all the time and we get used to it.

Owen Smith 9:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:00 Um, maybe they say ridiculous shit too. I don't-

Owen Smith 9:03 I think so. Especially look where they are, look what they're dealing with right now. Uh, their home.

Joe Rogan 9:06 Right. But the other guy coming in saying, "You don't have to wear a mask." So Roberts comes in with no mask on.

Owen Smith 9:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:12 It says you don't need a mask.

Owen Smith 9:13 The mortality rate's 1.-

Joe Rogan 9:13 So you can take the mask off.

Owen Smith 9:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:15 Well, that study's weird, man, because okay, m- maybe, maybe the, the, I believe the mortality rate is correct. I believe that it's way less deadly than they thought it was.

Owen Smith 9:27 Than they thought it was.

Joe Rogan 9:27 But they had to prepare for something that they thought-

Owen Smith 9:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:30 ... was gonna be real deadly.

Owen Smith 9:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:31 'Cause it's real deadly in Italy. S- but the question is, like there's so many questions. Why is it so deadly in Italy? Is it because they're older people? Is it because they smoke?

Owen Smith 9:39 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 9:39 Why is it so deadly in New York City? Like, is it because they're stacked on top of each other?

Owen Smith 9:44 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 9:45 Is it, is it-

Owen Smith 9:45 Oh, oh, definitely, definitely, definitely that.

Joe Rogan 9:48 It has to have something to do with it.

Owen Smith 9:49 I mean, no distancing. They're also ... Okay, so I- I, you know, I have an office and I get Uber Eats. And when it's, things started popping, my Uber Eats driver was an older black man. He's walking like mad close to me, I'm like, "Yo, what's up?" He goes, "Black people can't get this."

Joe Rogan 10:04 Oh, Jesus.

Owen Smith 10:05 "I'll be all right." And I'm like, "Whoa, man, what are you talk-" So I get the thing. I'm not gonna lie, part of me was like, "Okay." But-

Joe Rogan 10:11 (laughs)

Owen Smith 10:12 ... (laughs) I'm like, "Why am I taking advice from this, this, this Uber driver guy?" Then a personal friend of mine, his dad, uh, who I also know, um, b- black ski trip. He started this black ski, uh, organization. And they went to Idaho and they came back and a lot of the, the ... They were older gentlemen, but a lot of them got infected with the virus. Two have since passed away from it. So their, and their son, um, um, uh, it's, it's in the f- it's in the LA Times. It's the first article. His son, um, did a day-by-day social media post to try to turn the, the narrative that black folks, you can catch this, this is what's happened to my dad. He was like 61, I wanna say. And so I, I, I ... So that's why I was very nervous in the face when we, when we took the test. It's like I want to, um, have the confidence that that man had walking in the room. But I'm also very (laughs) I'm more of a safe than sorry, uh, than the o- the hou- I can't wait to be at that space you can take your mask off. You know what I mean? I need-

Joe Rogan 11:17 Right.

Owen Smith 11:18 ... I, I ... You know, 'cause I have two young children. I'm just like, I'm-

Joe Rogan 11:20 Yeah.

Owen Smith 11:20 I'm just, I'm more on the caution side, but I'm not, um, telling anyone what they should believe or not believe. But just for me, I'm just like, I'm, I'm, I'm hearing about what it does to your like, just, just hearing about what it does to your lungs and how they expand, it makes it hard for air to get through and you need a ventilator and, and all that. Do you lung ... What if your lungs collapse? Which is what happened to one of these gentlemen and, and it's just, it's, it's a wrap. But, uh, but it is like, um ... I don't know. I don't, I, I don't know the specifics of, of how anything else plays out, but I am also hearing stories from the other side of people who are, who are like fairly, you know, within my six degrees who are succumbing to it. So I'm just like, I, I, I, I, you know, that's great, man, but I, I, um, I'm not, I'm not there yet. Like, you know what I mean? Like, emotionally.

Joe Rogan 12:08 I think-

Owen Smith 12:08 So I'm, I am more like, eh, like, eh.

Joe Rogan 12:10 Well, first of all, anybody could catch it.

Owen Smith 12:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:12 But second of all, I think that if your immune system has any holes in it-... that shit gets in.

Owen Smith 12:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:17 And, and it can fuck you up. Look at Michael Yo. Michael Yo is a healthy guy.

Owen Smith 12:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:21 He's strong, he, he, he lifts weights all the time.

Owen Smith 12:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:24 He's relatively young. I think he's 45.

Owen Smith 12:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:27 You know, Michael Yo's in good shape. He's not overweight, he doesn't have high-

Owen Smith 12:29 Did he, did he catch it?

Joe Rogan 12:30 Yes.

Owen Smith 12:30 Are you serious?

Joe Rogan 12:31 Real bad.

Owen Smith 12:31 Oh, I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 12:32 Hospitalized for a week, said he thought he was gonna die.

Owen Smith 12:35 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 12:35 He scared the fuck out of me.

Owen Smith 12:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:37 When, when I heard it was him-

Owen Smith 12:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:39 ... like, he, he was texting me, he said, "I would call you right now, but I can't talk."

Owen Smith 12:42 Damn.

Joe Rogan 12:42 I was like, "Wow."

Owen Smith 12:43 Yeah, man, 'cause of what it, what it, like, physically does. And so when I was going to the grocery store, like, that, that's when I was the most horrified, because that's when you kinda get a temperature of how everyone is. And so when I went early on, people were like, "Ew, you six feet away?" Like, people were joking.

Joe Rogan 12:57 Yeah.

Owen Smith 12:57 And then it was something happen and people started kinda taking it as serious as, you know-

Joe Rogan 13:02 Yeah.

Owen Smith 13:02 ... people could. Um, and, and, uh, yeah, I mean, I'm just m- I, I have a very cautious mom. I'm just a safe... I'm, I'm the most reckless on stage, but any- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:16 (laughs)

Owen Smith 13:16 ... anything offstage, I'm like, "What's going on?" Like, "Is that the police? What the fuck's going on?"

Joe Rogan 13:20 That's hilarious.

Owen Smith 13:21 (laughs) Like... But on-

Joe Rogan 13:21 'Cause you are kinda reckless offstage. That's so funny.

Owen Smith 13:24 Onstage, I'll be reckless.

Joe Rogan 13:25 That's funny. That's true about you.

Owen Smith 13:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:27 I never thought about it that way. Like, you're like a real safe guy offstage.

Owen Smith 13:30 Yeah, man. Yeah, man. And I just-

Joe Rogan 13:31 (laughs)

Owen Smith 13:32 ... I, I've seen... It's, it could almost be like a funny movie, right? Every time one of my friends go, "Fuck it, man, I'm just gonna live in the moment." Pow. What happened to Tommy? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:42 (laughs)

Owen Smith 13:42 Tommy gone. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:44 (laughs) Yeah.

Owen Smith 13:46 Gotta be careful out here. T- I mean, it's just like I, I have so many just stories or memories from my childhood of people going, "Man, fuck it, you gotta live for now." Fwoop, gone. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 13:54 Yeah.

Owen Smith 13:54 So it's just like-

Joe Rogan 13:56 Yeah.

Owen Smith 13:56 ... and I, I, you know, so I'm, I'm, I'm back and, I'm back and forth on that, uh, moment. So when I saw him walk in and that guy looked like he was in shape, he worked out, he looked like... And there are a lot of people in Trader Joe's lines like him. You know what I mean? Like-

Joe Rogan 14:11 Yeah.

Owen Smith 14:11 ... when you stand in line, it's like, "You don't need a mask," like, those people. And it's just like I- it's not for me, man. I, I don't know what, I don't wanna bring anything home to my young kids.

Joe Rogan 14:19 Of course.

Owen Smith 14:19 So if it was just me in the crib I would be trying to get last days puss. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:26 Yeah.

Owen Smith 14:26 But I'm married, happily married, uh, so my brain, I'm not... I am super cautious. Like, "Back away!"

Joe Rogan 14:33 Single people are fucked right now.

Owen Smith 14:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:34 Right? If you live by yourself in an apartment, you're not allowed to leave, you can't go to work anymore.

Owen Smith 14:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:39 So you just sit in an apartment going crazy.

Owen Smith 14:40 Just going crazy.

Joe Rogan 14:41 You can't fuck anybody.

Owen Smith 14:42 Watching all the news outlets. "Nope, nope."

Joe Rogan 14:43 And if you fuck somebody, it better be just one person.

Owen Smith 14:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:46 You gotta be real careful.

Owen Smith 14:47 Yep, yep. Or y'all go together.

Joe Rogan 14:49 Right.

Owen Smith 14:49 Like, "It's a wrap." (laughs) That's your, that's your person.

Joe Rogan 14:51 It bothers me this, the restrictions on f- on personal liberties. I, I, I think it's gr- I think I'm very... Here's, like, here's what I'm happy about.

Owen Smith 15:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:01 I'm happy that so many people have done the social distancing thing and quarantined and kept away.

Owen Smith 15:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:09 Almost everybody I know, almost everybody I know is just staying home. My kids are home doing homeschool.

Owen Smith 15:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:14 All my friends' kids are home doing homeschool. They're staying home from work. Everyone's staying home and we, we don't go anywhere. You know, I come here, I go home. That's it. That's my life.

Owen Smith 15:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:23 Just stay put. Stay put, just let, let the fucking dust settle.

Owen Smith 15:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:27 And it's great in that way.

Owen Smith 15:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:29 But it's also scary for all these fucking people-

Owen Smith 15:30 Scary.

Joe Rogan 15:30 ... that have businesses. It's scarier for people that have compromised immune systems.

Owen Smith 15:35 Oh, gosh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:36 So like this is the weirdest time of our lives.

Owen Smith 15:38 Yeah. I think, but, uh, we were talking earlier, I think that the planet needs this break.

Joe Rogan 15:42 Yeah.

Owen Smith 15:43 'Cause, uh, soon as we stayed in for like a week it started raining in LA (laughs) like...

Joe Rogan 15:48 (laughs) The, the skies are so clear.

Owen Smith 15:49 The skies, skies are clear, like mother nature-

Joe Rogan 15:51 Do you see LA has the best air quality in all of the world?

Owen Smith 15:54 E- ever. Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:55 (laughs)

Owen Smith 15:56 So it's just stay in the house for a freaking couple of weeks.

Joe Rogan 15:59 Couple three weeks and it all fixes itself.

Owen Smith 16:01 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:01 Yeah.

Owen Smith 16:02 I mean...

Joe Rogan 16:02 Just kinda crazy.

Owen Smith 16:03 And it's, it is weird, man. I, I, oh, I'm, I'm curious to see what happens when the other side of this. But, like, our industry as far, 'cause you had a live, a tour that was supposed to pop off.

Joe Rogan 16:11 Yeah.

Owen Smith 16:11 Like that kind of stuff is just like, "Fuck."

Joe Rogan 16:13 I had a sold out show in Vancouver last night in an arena.

Owen Smith 16:16 Ah.

Joe Rogan 16:16 Couldn't do it. We moved it to October. Look-

Owen Smith 16:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:19 ... that's the last of the worries.

Owen Smith 16:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:21 My health is fine. I'm, I'm-

Owen Smith 16:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:22 ... I'm worried about health more than anything.

Owen Smith 16:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:24 And I'm, I'm worried about the economy. I'm worried about people that, like, uh, my friend Adam Perry Lang who owns the APL Restaurants, like my favorite steakhouse in LA.

Owen Smith 16:33 Nice. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:34 He's, he's spending most of his time, uh, cooking for, uh, hospital workers and, and bringing food to them.

Owen Smith 16:40 Nice.

Joe Rogan 16:40 And so that's given him a sense of purpose through all this. And they're doing like curbside pickup where people can order food online.

Owen Smith 16:45 Nice.

Joe Rogan 16:45 It's an amazing steakhouse. But they might not let- they might not make it.

Owen Smith 16:50 Ah.

Joe Rogan 16:50 And, uh, I was texting with him last night, and I'm gonna get him on podcast soon, and he was saying that for his friends in the restaurant industry, it's so grave.

Owen Smith 16:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:58 It's like everyone is barely hanging on and they might drop off left and right. I mean, we might lose half our restaurants.

Owen Smith 17:04 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:05 You know?

Owen Smith 17:05 Yeah. Did you hear about what happened when they did the small business loan?

Joe Rogan 17:08 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 17:08 And then the, it's like-

Joe Rogan 17:09 Ruth's Chris Steak House got it.

Owen Smith 17:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:11 And none of the waiters got it.

Owen Smith 17:12 None of them.

Joe Rogan 17:12 Just goes straight, straight to the, the business. They, I think the idea is, look, if you give it to the waiters and the business goes under, the waiters won't have a job when the business comes back. So if they keep the business open, the waiters will have a job when everything comes back. We just need more, we need to figure out m- you know, these p- people have to be able to work. And if they can't work, we gotta figure out a way to sustain them. And I don't know-

Owen Smith 17:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:35 ... how, nobody's ever figured this out before. Nobody's ever had to do this before. They, they burned through that small business loan shit and like that.

Owen Smith 17:41 Yeah. They were saying it's the, the, because it was supposed to be for companies 500 employees or less, but, you know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:46 Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, time to step up.

Owen Smith 17:49 (laughs) Like, like, "What y'all doing?" Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:50 How, how much money would Jeff Bezos have left if he gave everybody a $1000?

Owen Smith 17:57 Listen. He would, he would be... If everybody?

Joe Rogan 18:01 Everybody in this country.

Owen Smith 18:02 In th- in this country? $1000?

Joe Rogan 18:03 $320 million, he gave everybody a thousand. Do the math, Jamie. I'm a-

Owen Smith 18:07 What is that? How much is that?

Joe Rogan 18:07 ... I'm a moron.

Owen Smith 18:08 Is that billions or tr- is that billions or tr-

Joe Rogan 18:10 Well, it's 2000 million is a billion, so it'd be 300 billion.

Owen Smith 18:16 300 billion dollars.

Joe Rogan 18:16 So he'd be broke.

Owen Smith 18:16 He'd be broke.

Joe Rogan 18:17 He'd be broke instantly.... crazy. Imagine if he did that and just became a hippie. Sorry to give a- (laughs)

Owen Smith 18:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:22 ... he'd have been an asshole. It's like, (laughs) people don't remember Bill Gates, the old Bill Gates.

Owen Smith 18:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:27 People see Bill Gates now... I see Bill Gates now and I see a guy who's wearing an outfit.

Owen Smith 18:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:32 He wears a outfit.

Owen Smith 18:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:33 It's like he's got a, a s- it's like Spider-Man, like he puts on his Spider-Man, like, "This is my really nice rich guy thing."

Owen Smith 18:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:40 "I've got a sweater." Bitch, it's 100 degrees outside, why you got that sweater with a shirt underneath it?

Owen Smith 18:44 Mm-hmm. It's c- secretly ventilated and yeah, he- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:46 Like, does he ever have a T-shirt on? Does Bill Gates-

Owen Smith 18:48 No, I have a chill-

Joe Rogan 18:49 ... ever rock a T-shirt?

Owen Smith 18:50 I heard he had a house where when you walk into a room, it recognizes, like, how you like the temperature.

Joe Rogan 18:58 Yes.

Owen Smith 18:58 Like you wear a band-

Joe Rogan 18:59 Yes. He had a clip.

Owen Smith 19:00 ... and you walk into it... You wear... Oh, it's a clip?

Joe Rogan 19:01 He had a pin, like a pin. Yeah.

Owen Smith 19:02 And it would change the temperature, it would make coffee that you like, da, da, da, da.

Joe Rogan 19:06 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 19:06 And I was like... Man, I, I was single when I heard about this, I was like, "I wish I had that." 'Cause that's how the girl would know it was over, like, she'd-

Joe Rogan 19:11 (laughs)

Owen Smith 19:12 (laughs) You know, "It's cold." "Yeah, it's hot." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:15 (laughs)

Owen Smith 19:15 Change the settings on you. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:17 Yeah, you walk in, he changes the artwork and it flips over.

Owen Smith 19:20 (laughs) Right, right.

Joe Rogan 19:21 Yeah.

Owen Smith 19:21 But, uh, I mean... Yeah, I... He called this though, he called... I... We weren't ready for a pandemic like years ago, so.

Joe Rogan 19:28 '15, 2015, yeah.

Owen Smith 19:29 Yes, so.

Joe Rogan 19:30 Well, he set it up. He's the, he's the mastermind behind it.

Owen Smith 19:33 Yeah, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:33 He's like one of The Incredibles, like the- the bad guy in The Incredibles.

Owen Smith 19:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:37 I- I- I- I'm just confused by his outfit 'cause it's like-

Owen Smith 19:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:40 ... he's dressing up like Mr. Rogers on purpose.

Owen Smith 19:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:43 He wants you to think of him in a different way.

Owen Smith 19:45 But he's a savage, man.

Joe Rogan 19:46 He was-

Owen Smith 19:47 He's a savage.

Joe Rogan 19:47 ... the most ruthless motherfucker when he was running Microsoft.

Owen Smith 19:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:51 That's why Microsoft got so huge.

Owen Smith 19:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:53 They were take no prisoners businessmen.

Owen Smith 19:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 19:55 Take no prisoners.

Owen Smith 19:56 Yeah. He's- he's... But he's pretending like he's, you know... I- I kinda love that shit though. Like when people, um... 'Cause you just have to know how to look for it, right?

Joe Rogan 20:06 Yeah.

Owen Smith 20:07 Like- like, I don't, I don't trust anybody that doesn't cuss on stage.

Joe Rogan 20:10 Right, right.

Owen Smith 20:10 You know those motherfuckers? It's like-

Joe Rogan 20:12 Right.

Owen Smith 20:12 ... something's going on.

Joe Rogan 20:13 Right.

Owen Smith 20:13 Right?

Joe Rogan 20:13 Those are the ones that do freaky shit.

Owen Smith 20:15 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:15 Ball gags and stuff.

Owen Smith 20:16 Yes.

Joe Rogan 20:16 Oh, look at that, he's got a T-shirt there.

Owen Smith 20:18 Look at that. Come on, man.

Joe Rogan 20:19 That's a- a button up T-shirt with a collar. Everything has a collar though.

Owen Smith 20:21 Oh.

Joe Rogan 20:21 But that's a long time ago.

Owen Smith 20:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:23 That looks like about 15 years old. That's a nice crew though.

Owen Smith 20:26 Look at that, look at that crew.

Joe Rogan 20:27 (laughs)

Owen Smith 20:27 Why... And it's like, why is Luda... Luda's like the Forrest Gump of, uh-

Joe Rogan 20:31 (laughs)

Owen Smith 20:31 ... of photos like this.

Joe Rogan 20:32 He hosted Fear Factor. Luda took over-

Owen Smith 20:33 Did he?

Joe Rogan 20:34 ... Fear Factor after me.

Owen Smith 20:35 Like, where- where- where- where is that connection? Like, so-

Joe Rogan 20:38 They offered him a lot of money and he was like, "I'll take it." Yeah.

Owen Smith 20:41 Amazing. Amazing, man. Like, I... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:45 I don't know, I'm a big fan of-

Owen Smith 20:46 Yeah, I liked Luda a lot, man.

Joe Rogan 20:48 ... Luda for a while.

Owen Smith 20:48 I was in-

Joe Rogan 20:48 I had a bit about him in my act for a while.

Owen Smith 20:49 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 20:49 Yeah.

Owen Smith 20:50 I was in a restaurant he owned and he just... He was like walking through shaking hands. I say, "Luda!" He... My friend, uh, Jeremy Raul, shout out to Jeremy, directed his first video.

Joe Rogan 20:59 Oh, wow.

Owen Smith 20:59 Jeremy and I went to college together and, uh, he- he directed his first two and he put Luda on the map, so I've always been a fan of Luda. But I've... And I'm- I'm... Uh, what I like about his career is that he's like... He's not somebody you would think of, but when he's in there, you don't mind that he's there.

Joe Rogan 21:12 Right.

Owen Smith 21:12 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 21:13 Yeah.

Owen Smith 21:13 Like, when I was watching The Fast and the Furious movies, I was like, "Luda? All right."

Joe Rogan 21:16 (laughs)

Owen Smith 21:16 (laughs) You know what I mean? I wasn't like, "Luda! Hey!"

Joe Rogan 21:20 Dude, I'm the biggest fan in the world of muscle cars, of those 1960s muscle cars-

Owen Smith 21:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:25 ... and I never watched one of those fucking movies.

Owen Smith 21:27 Oh, you gotta... Just watch it on mute.

Joe Rogan 21:28 I'm like, "Get outta here."

Owen Smith 21:28 Watch it on mute, man.

Joe Rogan 21:29 Uh-huh.

Owen Smith 21:29 Just... 'Cause you'll get the, you'll get the best of both worlds.

Joe Rogan 21:31 Just get outta here.

Owen Smith 21:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:32 Get the fuck outta here, all that. (laughs) They jumping over bridges with-

Owen Smith 21:36 Yeah, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 21:37 ... 1969 Chargers.

Owen Smith 21:39 It's ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 21:39 Get the fuck outta here.

Owen Smith 21:39 It's ridiculous, man. But yeah, man. I- I gotta thank you, man. Uh, n- since I was here last, you- you lit a flame under me, you challenged me to put Notebooks out.

Joe Rogan 21:51 Yes, it's out.

Owen Smith 21:52 It's out.

Joe Rogan 21:53 Yeah. We were talking about last time, folks, that comedians, we... A lot of us keep our old, old notebooks.

Owen Smith 21:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:59 And it's like three years ago, right? Close to it?

Owen Smith 22:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:02 So three years ago, Owen, s- uh, I... You- you got ahold of me and you said, "Do you have any old notebooks? I- I'm doing this show." And I'm like, "Oh, shit, I saved a bunch of 'em."

Owen Smith 22:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:11 And I found some from, like, 1992.

Owen Smith 22:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 22:15 And they were so terrible.

Owen Smith 22:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:17 And we... (laughs)

Owen Smith 22:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:19 So we sat... Owen and I sat in The Comedy Store and it's fucking ruthlessly embarrassing.

Owen Smith 22:24 Yes.

Joe Rogan 22:25 It's so bad how these-

Owen Smith 22:26 But it's so good though.

Joe Rogan 22:27 ... these premises are so awful.

Owen Smith 22:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:29 And, uh, so you put it on YouTube now-

Owen Smith 22:32 YouTube, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:32 ... which is the way to go.

Owen Smith 22:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:34 I'm so glad you did that. And so this is available... Is it Owen Smith TV?

Owen Smith 22:37 Yeah, Owen Smith TV.

Joe Rogan 22:37 Is that your- your YouTube page?

Owen Smith 22:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:39 Uh, Owen Smith Comedy... Is it Owen Smith TV or Owen Smith Comedy?

Owen Smith 22:42 Yeah, it's Owen Smith TV, but they cre- we created this page. But if you go to Owen Smith Comedy, that... Like, that won't come up, you have to do-

Joe Rogan 22:49 Hmm.

Owen Smith 22:50 ... YouTube dot... I need your help in fixing that.

Joe Rogan 22:52 Hmm.

Owen Smith 22:52 But-

Joe Rogan 22:52 That's confusing.

Owen Smith 22:53 ... if you go to youtube.com/OwenSmithTV, you'll get this. Or if you just search-

Joe Rogan 22:58 Okay.

Owen Smith 22:58 ... Owen Notebooks or-

Joe Rogan 22:59 Just go to Owen TV.

Owen Smith 23:00 Yeah, Owen Smith TV.

Joe Rogan 23:01 Youtube.com-

Owen Smith 23:03 Owen Smith TV.

Joe Rogan 23:05 Uh, Owen Smith TV.

Owen Smith 23:05 Yeah, and subscribe.

Joe Rogan 23:05 Owen Smith TV, there you go. Okay. Yeah, subscribe.

Owen Smith 23:07 Subscribe-

Joe Rogan 23:08 You fucks.

Owen Smith 23:08 ... hit the notifications. Yes-

Joe Rogan 23:10 (clears throat)

Owen Smith 23:10 And that'll help me be able to do more of these.

Joe Rogan 23:12 Yes. Um, how many have you- have you done so far?

Owen Smith 23:14 I shot six. We put out four and I'm gonna release, um, two more coming up. So if you get on... If you subscribe, you'll know, you'll know when they're coming out sooner. I might do something for you guys.

Joe Rogan 23:25 So you got Neal Brennan, Alonzo Bodden.

Owen Smith 23:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:27 Eric Griffin.

Owen Smith 23:28 Yep, and you.

Joe Rogan 23:29 Oh, beautiful.

Owen Smith 23:30 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 23:30 All my friends.

Owen Smith 23:31 And, uh, yeah, man. It was, it was great 'cause everybody has a different approach to the craft. And I didn't know that Eric and Alonzo took comedy classes to start.

Joe Rogan 23:38 Did they really?

Owen Smith 23:39 Yes. And I was like, "Oh, what?"

Joe Rogan 23:41 (laughs)

Owen Smith 23:41 (laughs) Like, (laughs) 'cause you know, man, I'm- I'm a snob, man.

Joe Rogan 23:46 I do too.

Owen Smith 23:46 You're in comedy class?

Joe Rogan 23:47 I know. Me too.

Owen Smith 23:48 What? And this guy named Lenny Ostrovich, uh, taught Alonzo. And Lenny... And- and I heard the name, I was like, "I know that name." Now, I don't know if... I don't know if you... If someone, like, kinda does me kinda foul or whatever, I forget about it, like, it helps me to just live. I don't carry it. I-

Joe Rogan 24:05 Good for you.

Owen Smith 24:06 I wish I... So I was like, "I know that name." And then as I'm editing it and then I- I look at it and I go, "I know that motherf-" But, uh... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:12 (laughs)

Owen Smith 24:13 He's a good dude, but when I met him, he was running a comedy club called The Fallout. It was called The Funny Firm and then it became The Fallout and then it literally fell out, like later. But I moved to Chicago in '95 and what I loved about the room is you could perform downstairs-... and then you would run upstairs and perform.

Joe Rogan 24:32 Oh.

Owen Smith 24:32 And then you come back downstairs and do another one, and r- So, on a Saturday night, you could do six shows 'cause they would do three shows. This is right when they-

Joe Rogan 24:39 Oh, wow.

Owen Smith 24:39 Yep. Right when they started papering the room and all of that. So I went to audition. You know, he goes, "Just let me do a guest set." He hired me. He goes, uh, "Do the rest of the night." I was like, "Bet." At the end of the night, he pays everybody but me and he goes, uh, "I got spots for you." And I was like, "I'm supposed to get some money." And like two other comics, Dwayne Kennedy and Ty Phipps, they go, "That's bullshit." And they gave me some of their money.

Joe Rogan 25:01 Wow.

Owen Smith 25:01 And I never forgot them for that. I went home that night, I turn on the TV. Dwayne Kennedy, the guy that handed me the money, he's in an episode of Amen playing Halle Berry's boyfriend. (laughs) Like, and I was like, "Who the fuck is this guy that gave me the..." But that's like-

Joe Rogan 25:13 Did he get-

Owen Smith 25:13 ... my friend to this day.

Joe Rogan 25:13 Did he get to kiss Halle Berry?

Owen Smith 25:14 I don't remember.

Joe Rogan 25:16 Ooh.

Owen Smith 25:16 I don't remember. Yeah, man. He was the f-... He was early on.

Joe Rogan 25:19 Get it together.

Owen Smith 25:19 Yeah, man. Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 25:20 If you gotta kiss Halle Berry. How many times you brush your teeth have you gotta kiss Halle Berry?

Owen Smith 25:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:23 Like 80-

Owen Smith 25:24 80,000.

Joe Rogan 25:26 You get mints and breath strips.

Owen Smith 25:27 You going in (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:28 You got Listerine and-

Owen Smith 25:30 That's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 25:32 And you're checking your pits.

Owen Smith 25:32 Young Halle.

Joe Rogan 25:33 You guys and av- having friends check your pits. "Come smell me, man."

Owen Smith 25:35 "Am I good? Am I good?"

Joe Rogan 25:37 (sniffs) "Oh."

Owen Smith 25:37 "Halle, you wanna rehearse?"

Joe Rogan 25:38 Dude.

Owen Smith 25:38 I know. You go into her room.

Joe Rogan 25:40 Yeah.

Owen Smith 25:41 "You wanna run lines?"

Joe Rogan 25:41 She's so pretty.

Owen Smith 25:42 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 25:42 I met her recently at the UFC and she's gotta be like 53 or something like that, right?

Owen Smith 25:47 Still got it.

Joe Rogan 25:47 She looks like she's 35 years old. She looks perfect.

Owen Smith 25:50 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 25:50 She looks like uh, uh, a perfectly in shape 35-year-old woman.

Owen Smith 25:55 (exhales)

Joe Rogan 25:55 I mean, how old is Halle Berry?

Owen Smith 25:56 She's... Yeah, she's over f-... She's gotta be over 50, right?

Joe Rogan 25:58 She's over 50. Dude, she looks amazing. She was in John Wick 3.

Owen Smith 26:01 Yeah, she was amazing in that.

Joe Rogan 26:02 Amazing.

Owen Smith 26:03 With the dogs and (swooshing sound)

Joe Rogan 26:04 Yes.

Owen Smith 26:05 Yeah, man. Yeah. He was-

Joe Rogan 26:06 She's 53. Dude, the, just the way she moves, man.

Owen Smith 26:08 Yep.

Joe Rogan 26:09 The way she moves like every... I mean, she's n-... She's so fit.

Owen Smith 26:12 So fit.

Joe Rogan 26:12 It's incredible.

Owen Smith 26:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:13 And she does a lot of workouts online. She's doing a lot of workouts online-

Owen Smith 26:16 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:16 ... while this, all this shit's going down.

Owen Smith 26:17 Yep, yeah, with some guy with fabulous, like, long hair. Some- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:21 (laughs)

Owen Smith 26:22 Her partner.

Joe Rogan 26:22 Some guru character.

Owen Smith 26:23 Some guru. "So then we're gonna do curls." It's like, "Really?"

Joe Rogan 26:26 It's her partner.

Owen Smith 26:27 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:27 That's the weirdest thing when a, a guy and a girl are together and they, they say, "This is my partner."

Owen Smith 26:31 "This is my partner."

Joe Rogan 26:31 "Are you guys in business together?"

Owen Smith 26:32 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:33 Or like, "Are you just fucking?" Like, what, (laughs) what is, what is a partner?

Owen Smith 26:37 "T his is my partner." It sits like-

Joe Rogan 26:39 A man said that to me once. Yeah, he was talking about, uh, this, uh, "Yeah, I was doing this thing with my partner." I'm like, um, first of all, I think, are you gay?

Owen Smith 26:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:48 If you're n-... If you're... But first of all, even if you're gay in 2020, why aren't you saying, "My boyfriend or my husband"?

Owen Smith 26:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:53 You know?

Owen Smith 26:54 Partner. I know it's like-

Joe Rogan 26:55 But it's like a woman, you're talking about a woman, but you're not in business together.

Owen Smith 27:00 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 27:00 Your partner.

Owen Smith 27:01 Yeah, it's interesting.

Joe Rogan 27:01 "I went on vacation with my partner." Like, hmm.

Owen Smith 27:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:04 What is that? Partner.

Owen Smith 27:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:06 You, you guys have a firm?

Owen Smith 27:08 I, as a married man-

Joe Rogan 27:08 This is the way you fuck, firm?

Owen Smith 27:10 Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, as a married man, I'm like, "Man, have some courage, man. Get in there. Get in the game."

Joe Rogan 27:15 (laughs)

Owen Smith 27:15 Stop, stop trying to-

Joe Rogan 27:16 Don't get in the game with everybody.

Owen Smith 27:17 No, no, but- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:18 Some people you gotta live with for a little and-

Owen Smith 27:20 Yeah, figure it out.

Joe Rogan 27:21 When people say, "I don't wanna live with somebody, I just wanna get married," I'm like, "That's a mistake."

Owen Smith 27:25 That is where it happens.

Joe Rogan 27:26 Yes.

Owen Smith 27:27 That is... That happ- happily ever after shit is for the movies. Where, where it's real is when you live together.

Joe Rogan 27:32 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 27:33 And you... And it's little shit. It's little shit, man.

Joe Rogan 27:36 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 27:36 How you squeeze the toothpaste.

Joe Rogan 27:38 Right.

Owen Smith 27:38 That shit over time could fucking come back and get you.

Joe Rogan 27:39 Whether or not you clean up.

Owen Smith 27:40 Whether or not you clean up.

Joe Rogan 27:41 Whether they ask you to do-

Owen Smith 27:41 How you do the toilet tissue.

Joe Rogan 27:42 ... more things than you ask them to do.

Owen Smith 27:44 Yes.

Joe Rogan 27:45 Uh.

Owen Smith 27:45 Yeah, who... Yeah, is somebody keeping score or whatever.

Joe Rogan 27:47 Yeah.

Owen Smith 27:47 Like, who, who cooks? Who does dishes? Can-

Joe Rogan 27:50 Yeah.

Owen Smith 27:50 Can you load a dishwasher? Can you fold clothes?

Joe Rogan 27:53 Do they complain about stupid shit?

Owen Smith 27:54 Man, I feel like we could talk about this all day. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:56 All day. You learn.

Owen Smith 27:58 And then how do you deal with it? 'Cause you ain't going nowhere.

Joe Rogan 28:00 Right.

Owen Smith 28:01 It's like, "All right."

Joe Rogan 28:01 You know what the big one is?

Owen Smith 28:02 What?

Joe Rogan 28:03 One bathroom.

Owen Smith 28:04 Oh, i- if you, if you, if you only have enough money for one bathroom, you shouldn't be in a relationship.

Joe Rogan 28:08 Or you've gotta really know each other, like, you spent so many nights-

Owen Smith 28:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:13 ... together, like so many weekends together. You stay at her place or she stays at your place.

Owen Smith 28:18 Yeah, but no.

Joe Rogan 28:19 But want that one bathroom.

Owen Smith 28:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:20 There's a, there's a reality when you walk in the bathroom right after a girl takes a fucking rank shit.

Owen Smith 28:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:25 And you're like, "Whoo, this is real."

Owen Smith 28:28 Like, "Who is this woman?"

Joe Rogan 28:28 "This is real."

Owen Smith 28:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:30 And if it's cold out and you gotta open up the window and you're like, "Oh, good Lord."

Owen Smith 28:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:34 So you're sitting there smelling her shit, freezing.

Owen Smith 28:37 Yes.

Joe Rogan 28:38 Trying to take your own shit on top of her shit. Oh.

Owen Smith 28:40 Yeah, no. Don't do it. That... Y'all not gonna make it. You need-

Joe Rogan 28:44 You can make it.

Owen Smith 28:44 ... two bathrooms. Yeah?

Joe Rogan 28:45 Yeah. It depends.

Owen Smith 28:47 I, for me, I was like, "Man."

Joe Rogan 28:48 It depends on the chemistry of the person.

Owen Smith 28:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:50 There's some people that, like, a little thing will set you off-

Owen Smith 28:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:53 ... and you're like, "I can't." But then there's another per-... Other people that there's... You like them so much, that little thing ain't shit.

Owen Smith 28:59 No.

Joe Rogan 29:00 The same thing.

Owen Smith 29:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:01 Like, there's some dates I'm sure you went on when you were single where a girl just did one little stupid thing and you're like, (fingers snap) "This is over."

Owen Smith 29:06 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:07 Yes.

Owen Smith 29:08 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:08 But, like-

Owen Smith 29:08 (snaps fingers)

Joe Rogan 29:08 ... if you really were into her, that same thing, you'd be like, "Ah, whatever. (snaps fingers) She's having a rough day."

Owen Smith 29:14 No, I was fucked up. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:15 (laughs)

Owen Smith 29:17 I mean, like, she fine as hell, but I got cake, man. I be nice to her though, "Thank you." ♫ Yeah, yeah ♪ And then be out. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:24 Yeah, you-

Owen Smith 29:24 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 29:25 There's certain things you just get... You know, for me, it was, uh-

Owen Smith 29:28 I'm trying to think. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:28 People that insult you. People that, like-

Owen Smith 29:30 Mm.

Joe Rogan 29:30 ... insult you and then be, they tr- they try to, like, put you down or try to fuck with you a little bit.

Owen Smith 29:34 Yeah, man up. Man up.

Joe Rogan 29:35 Yeah. Well-

Owen Smith 29:35 Yeah, you been doing it-

Joe Rogan 29:36 Well, just, like, they're, they're doing it to try to, like, diminish you-

Owen Smith 29:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:40 ... in some sort of a weird way, like, and they're not even funny.

Owen Smith 29:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:43 Like, "Oh, is that-"

Owen Smith 29:44 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 29:44 "... what you're into?"

Owen Smith 29:45 Oh, yeah, no.

Joe Rogan 29:46 But sometimes people grew up like that.

Owen Smith 29:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:48 Like, their mom and their dad did that to each other and so they just, they don't know how to behave-

Owen Smith 29:51 No.

Joe Rogan 29:52 ... in a relationship

Guest (unidentified brief interjection) 29:52 it gets them.

Owen Smith 29:52 And that, and that's what, that's their definition of love.

Joe Rogan 29:55 Yeah.

Owen Smith 29:55 You know, like, what should that... What's, what's love look like to you?

Joe Rogan 29:57 Yeah.

Owen Smith 29:58 And, uh, if it doesn't match what it looks like to you, y'all ain't gonna make it.

Joe Rogan 30:01 Exactly.

Owen Smith 30:01 The, um... Yeah, man, I, I don't know. I was all over the place with that. Like, I've had... I remember I dated this one girl, she smoked a lot of weed, right? I must... Didn't mind that, but she also smoked cigarettes.

Joe Rogan 30:12 Rude.

Owen Smith 30:12 So I was like, "Damn, pick one," like, and I wish it was just the weed. So then she was like, "I'm gonna quit when I'm 30." I'm like, "Well, you-"

Joe Rogan 30:17 (laughs)

Owen Smith 30:18 "You 27 now. I gotta wait... I don't..."So, I couldn't like, and then ...

Joe Rogan 30:23 Oh. (laughs) That's a weird number.

Owen Smith 30:24 But I was still okay 'cause she was f- she was fun. This is like the closest she was mad fun. And then she had like student loan financial shit on top of it and I was like-

Joe Rogan 30:32 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 30:32 ... "I'm out." Like ...

Guest (unidentified brief interjection) 30:33 (laughs)

Owen Smith 30:33 I can't. (laughs) But real talk, she got it together when she got on the other side of 30 and-

Joe Rogan 30:38 Did she?

Owen Smith 30:38 Yeah, we're friendly now but I still, it was a gamble. Like I gotta ...

Joe Rogan 30:42 Yeah.

Owen Smith 30:43 No. I'd fi-

Joe Rogan 30:44 Financial shit could, oof, that could be yours.

Owen Smith 30:46 It's big.

Joe Rogan 30:46 That becomes yours.

Owen Smith 30:47 Her debt is your debt.

Joe Rogan 30:47 Yes.

Owen Smith 30:47 They don't tell you that.

Joe Rogan 30:48 No.

Owen Smith 30:49 Her debt becomes your debt.

Joe Rogan 30:50 Yeah.

Owen Smith 30:50 And she was a, she was like, she was a, a, a, a, um, a serial degree person. Like she had like degrees.

Joe Rogan 30:58 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 30:58 So her, her shit was high. It wasn't like-

Joe Rogan 31:00 Oh, so it wasn't-

Owen Smith 31:01 It wasn't like the bachelor-

Joe Rogan 31:01 ... hundreds of thousands. Oof.

Owen Smith 31:02 Yeah, yeah. And I was like ...

Joe Rogan 31:03 Dude, that is the biggest goddamn scam going 'cause no matter what happens in your life, you have to pay back those student loans.

Owen Smith 31:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:09 If you owe money to any, uh, you can go bankrupt, you know?

Owen Smith 31:12 Try to pay your student loan back.

Joe Rogan 31:12 You can go bankrupt and you don't have to pay back.

Owen Smith 31:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:15 Like if your business folds, you can go bankrupt.

Owen Smith 31:17 (laughs) But Sallie Mae's like, "Hey, uh ..." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:19 They don't give a fuck. You owe student loans, you're paying those.

Owen Smith 31:22 '07, '13, you gotta pay that shit.

Joe Rogan 31:23 Do you know there's people today that have Social Security docked-

Owen Smith 31:27 (gasps) .

Joe Rogan 31:27 ... for their student loans? Imagine you're at the end of the game and you, your Social Security, they've taken your Social Security to pay off some bullshit debt-

Owen Smith 31:37 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 31:37 ... for a loan that didn't do you any good.

Owen Smith 31:39 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 31:39 'Cause here you are collecting Social Security, broke as fuck.

Owen Smith 31:42 Right. (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 31:44 And they take some of it.

Owen Smith 31:44 Depending on it.

Joe Rogan 31:45 They probably take a good-sized chunk too.

Owen Smith 31:47 Oh yeah, oh yeah. They don't get it off.

Joe Rogan 31:48 And you're never getting it paid off, you're just gonna die. And that's gonna help you die quicker.

Owen Smith 31:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:51 'Cause you're gonna be thinking about it-

Owen Smith 31:53 That's how they get rid of you.

Joe Rogan 31:53 All day just (grunts) at the park trying to feed the pigeons. (grunts)

Owen Smith 31:57 This damn extra degree.

Joe Rogan 31:58 Fuck.

Owen Smith 31:58 No. Yeah, man, I paid my shit off. I was so happy and, uh, I don't, I don't really use it. I kinda use it in the background.

Joe Rogan 32:06 What was your degree?

Owen Smith 32:07 I was finance, or you say finance if you have money, like ...

Joe Rogan 32:10 (laughs)

Owen Smith 32:12 (laughs) This is finance degree. And, uh, and I studied Japanese for like a year.

Joe Rogan 32:16 Really?

Owen Smith 32:16 Yeah, man. I was gonna go over there and, um, um, a director named Kristine Swanson, she just directed the Clark Sisters, uh, movie that came out on Lifetime, did over like 11 million, millio- million views, uh, her and her husband, Mike Swanson, they were, they were dating at Notre Dame at the time. They were like, "You should take Ja-" Like they would like sit down and like look at me and check in with me and just go, "You should do this." And I would do it. (laughs) And so they were like, "You should take Japanese." And I started taking Japanese and I liked it. I really enjoyed it and I learned, um, I was getting like these culture classes 'cause I was gonna go over there for like a year.

Joe Rogan 32:49 Wow.

Owen Smith 32:49 And, um, and I was, and I, and I, I'm a asshole so I would like mimic the teacher but I was literally, but she enjoyed it 'cause I was actually saying it natively.

Joe Rogan 32:57 Oh.

Owen Smith 32:57 So I wasn't being like a, a dick 'cause I enjoyed like, I just noticed how she was saying it and no one else was saying it. So I go, "I'm gonna just say it like her." So she would be like, um, "Konbanwa." You know, I'd be like, "Konbanwa." Like I would like lean into it and she'd be like, "Oh, oh." You know, you know.

Joe Rogan 33:10 (laughs)

Owen Smith 33:10 "Soresune." (laughs) And, um, you know, "Konogorododeskai? Isugashidesune." Like you were just like learning how to like-

Joe Rogan 33:15 Whoa. What did you just say?

Owen Smith 33:16 I was just like, "Hey, what's going on these days? You been busy?" Like it's just like ... And so I-

Joe Rogan 33:19 How well are you sp- good at this?

Owen Smith 33:21 I got into it because it's also like it's, I was just fascinated by why Japanese literacy rate was like so much higher than ours is because their alphabet, they have three alphabets, and so there's, it's hiragana, katakana, and kanji. And kanji is what everybody gets tattoos of. So, I was just fascinated with like the art of it and shit and so ...

Joe Rogan 33:43 What is the difference between the three alphabets?

Owen Smith 33:45 Um, so, um, katakana is more syllabalic like it's like how you speak. So, so I could write your name in ka- in katakana, I think. Hiragana, katakana and ... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm, I'm rusty so I, I could have messed up just now, you guys. And I'm also drinking a little scotch. But, uh ... What am I drinking?

Joe Rogan 34:03 Whiskey.

Owen Smith 34:04 Whiskey. I'm gonna drink whiskey. But, um, but, uh, but, and so one is, one is per syllable. So you can take like American words and write that in, in Japanese and, and a Japanese person can go, "Oh, that's how they pronounce names." Right? So, uh, so if your name is, um, I don't know, um, D'Artagnan, you could do that in Japanese using that.

Joe Rogan 34:25 Who the fuck is named D'Artagnan? (laughs)

Owen Smith 34:26 (laughs) They just go with a cat named D'Artagnan. They, they would, they would be like, "D'Artagnan." You know, and they would go-

Joe Rogan 34:30 I thought that was like a knight. (laughs)

Owen Smith 34:31 (laughs) No. And then, um, and if, uh, but, but kanji, one kanji could mean several different things.

Joe Rogan 34:38 Oh.

Owen Smith 34:38 So you have to know in, in the context in which you're using it.

Joe Rogan 34:43 Oh.

Owen Smith 34:43 And I'm left-handed so I naturally would look at stuff from right to left and that's how they, um, read.

Joe Rogan 34:49 Oh.

Owen Smith 34:49 They don't go this way. So their books go the opposite way and ... So I was kinda like and my son can't say like the letter L right now, everything is W. So I'm like, he's like naturally (laughs) like he should be learning Chinese or Japanese now, I think, just because the way his, his tongue and stuff is forming, he's, he'll be like, uh, "Yawo," you know? Or ...

Joe Rogan 35:11 (laughs)

Owen Smith 35:11 And I'm like, we would make fun, you know?

Joe Rogan 35:13 All kids do that.

Owen Smith 35:14 All kids.

Joe Rogan 35:14 Yeah.

Owen Smith 35:14 But I'm like, maybe. So, but when I was learning it, I, I just got really into it because it, it took like a lot of like detail to like figure it out and it started-

Joe Rogan 35:22 Man.

Owen Smith 35:22 ... sticking with me. And then I started doing comedy in college and I started, um, on the weekends I would drive to like Des Moines, Iowa and do a funny bone and, and come back and I, and they were like, "You still wanna go to Japan?" I was like, "No, I know what I wanna do." (laughs) Like I, I found what I was going to do so I just didn't, I never went. So I, I kinda, that's a trip I've always wanted to take and see how much of it like comes back to me 'cause I was, I was pretty good at it. I, and I loved, I, I, and then, and then I started learning Chinese and Chinese is, um, is monosyllabalic. So like, "Ni hao ma" is hello, but if you say, "Ni hao ma," like that, like I called you a horse. But it's the same-

Joe Rogan 36:04 What? (laughs)

Owen Smith 36:04 Yeah, it's like, it's like, "Ni hao ma." Like how you say it is like very specific, um, in how you say things.

Joe Rogan 36:13 So one is hello, the other one is a horse?

Owen Smith 36:15 Same thing. "Ni hao ma" is hello but, "Ni hao ma" said that way is hello. But if I go, "Ni hao ma" and like drag it down, I'm, I'm like insulting you.

Joe Rogan 36:21 Ooh, my kids used to watch Ni Hao Kai-Lan.

Owen Smith 36:22 Yeah, that's that-

Joe Rogan 36:23 Ni hao kai-lan.

Owen Smith 36:23 (laughs) That's it. Yeah, yeah. That's the, I think that's hey, hello, Kai-Lan.

Joe Rogan 36:27 Why, why "Ni hao ma" in- instead of just "Ni hao"?

Owen Smith 36:30 You could say "Ni hao".

Joe Rogan 36:31 Okay.

Owen Smith 36:31 And that's the thing. You could say "Ni hao."

Joe Rogan 36:32 What is the difference between "Ni hao" and "Ni hao ma"?

Owen Smith 36:34 That's just what I learned in, in the, in the class. They have ma.

Joe Rogan 36:36 It's like more formal?

Owen Smith 36:37 Yeah. And it's, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:38 Like good evening.

Owen Smith 36:39 So you learn, yes, you learn everything is, um, you learn ... That's the only thing I don't like about learning languages in school, you learn, you, you never learn how you speak.

Joe Rogan 36:47 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 36:48 You know?

Joe Rogan 36:48 Right.

Owen Smith 36:48 You always learn how you would write a letter and how you would be, like, you know, grammatically correct.

Joe Rogan 36:53 Right.

Owen Smith 36:54 But, so, so now, like, people are doing these things where you just learn what you need to know because I feel like humans, we only, we all say like the same 20 pieces of, like, bullshit. You know what I mean? Like, if you could learn that, you could probably learn eight languages if you could just figure out (sniffs) you know, um, what y'all getting into.

Joe Rogan 37:11 Right.

Owen Smith 37:11 Is it fun? Uh, where the bitches? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:15 (laughs)

Owen Smith 37:15 Can I drink? Uh, you know, but they always, "Where are the bathrooms?" Uh, "May I see a menu?" It's like-

Joe Rogan 37:20 What are your pronouns?

Owen Smith 37:21 Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:23 (laughs)

Owen Smith 37:23 Yes. Yeah. Yeah. (laughs) And I... (laughs) But it's-

Joe Rogan 37:26 I'm they/them.

Owen Smith 37:27 Uh, you're they/them?

Joe Rogan 37:28 Do they have they/them in, in Japanese?

Owen Smith 37:30 Um, I don't remember. Um, it was, um... My goodness. Now I'm gonna get, uh, reamed because I'm rusty on it. But it was like... How would, how would I say this? They did have it, but it was... The way... Honestly, I, I... The sentence structure and the way my three-year-old speaks is the way you would structure a sentence in Japanese.

Joe Rogan 37:51 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 37:51 Like, he would say... He won't say the subject and the verb all the time. Sometimes he would put the verb last 'cause he'll be so excited. So he'll put adjective, adjective, like, a sub- "Bottle. Uh, great, good." You know, the, uh, "You see it?" And like, and that's kind of like how you would (laughs) say... I'm like, this dude is like... In my head I'm like, "That's how you would speak." So if I was to say something in Japanese, I would say, um... (sniffs) So they would ask what's my name and I would go... Hold on. What is my name in Japanese?

Joe Rogan 38:30 (laughs) It's not Owens?

Owen Smith 38:32 No. It's O- it's Ode... Uh, no, but I'm something Smith. It's like Sumisu.

Joe Rogan 38:36 You can't say Owen Smith?

Owen Smith 38:38 Sumisu. Sumisu. You can, but it's like Sumisu desu. Sumisu desu ne. Desu ne. Desu ka? So that's what... Desu ka, desu ka makes it a question, at, and it's at the end. So you put, you put that at the end. Desu ne is a period. So you would say, so it's like you're saying, "So it is." Right?

Joe Rogan 38:54 Right.

Owen Smith 38:54 So if I go-

Joe Rogan 38:55 So what would you say?

Owen Smith 38:56 So if I go, uh, "Sou desu ne," that means, "It is good." "Sou desu ka?" I'm asking, "Is it good?" Um-

Joe Rogan 39:04 Oh, wow.

Owen Smith 39:05 ... um, um, desu, desu. And, and then in, in, and then it depends on what part of Japan you are, how you lean into the desu and desu ne.

Joe Rogan 39:12 But your name wouldn't be Smith?

Owen Smith 39:13 It's Sumisu. Sumisu. Sumisu.

Joe Rogan 39:15 Sumisu instead of Smith?

Owen Smith 39:16 Sumisu. Sumisu Insteaad of Smith. Yes. And so, and you would write-

Joe Rogan 39:18 What?

Owen Smith 39:18 ... Su-mi-su in katakana.

Joe Rogan 39:19 What if we did that to them?

Owen Smith 39:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:23 You know?

Owen Smith 39:24 That's so... They would say, they would change Smith 'cause it's Smith, but it's Sumisu how they pronounce it. It's Su-mi, Su-misu. Su-misu Smith. And, and Tsu is, um, is spelled T-S-U. So it's not... I think... I don't know. I'm rusty. This was over 20 years ago, but-

Joe Rogan 39:41 So you would have to change the way your name sounds. That's so strange.

Owen Smith 39:44 Yeah. Sumisu desu ne, that was, would be my name. They would ask me.

Joe Rogan 39:47 Sumisu?

Owen Smith 39:47 Yeah. Sumisu. Su-mi-su. Uh, always Su-mi-su.

Joe Rogan 39:49 Make them say Smith.

Owen Smith 39:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:51 Don't, don't give in.

Owen Smith 39:52 There you go.

Joe Rogan 39:53 This is how they take over.

Owen Smith 39:54 This is how they take over. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:55 Yeah. Change the way you-

Owen Smith 39:55 But I was intrigued, man.

Joe Rogan 39:57 You're... The noise that you make, that means you.

Owen Smith 39:59 It was amazing.

Joe Rogan 40:00 Oh, it was amazing.

Owen Smith 40:00 I, I... There was two things that opened my mind. Learning Japanese for, or studying it for like a year, a year and a half, and, and economics. Learning economics.

Joe Rogan 40:11 How did that, how did that help you?

Owen Smith 40:13 It was a... I, because it's like a science and it's like a cause and effect, and so it's the same way I approach my bits. You know what I mean? It's like economy, like if this happens, then it affects all this shit.

Joe Rogan 40:25 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 40:26 And it's all tied to the one thing you can't judge, which is human behavior, right? So you don't know what people are gonna do. And people try to kind of try to control it all the time, be- because it has direct effects on the stock market and how you can make money and shit.

Joe Rogan 40:38 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 40:38 So like, so like something like the coro... When, when the coronavirus dropped, I was like, I go, "This is gonna fuck up all these things."

Joe Rogan 40:48 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 40:49 And then seeing how people react to all these things being taken away fascinates me. You know what I mean? It's like, but that is, that is what economics is, because when you're thinking about stuff, you always go, "Well, what if a pandemic happened?" Well, our system, where are the holes in our current system? But when people are just, um, um, being intellectuals about it and just like talking about it, it sounds boring and you're like, (snores) but when the shit is happening in real time, you're like, "This is, this is what economists talk about all the time."

Joe Rogan 41:19 Oh.

Owen Smith 41:19 It's like, it's if this, then, then what? But it's just a deeper thing. And so it's the same kind of way when you take a bit where you just go, (sniffs) "What if I'm talking about, um..." Just anything, you just, you just go... Like, I was wa... I wa... You know, I'm at home so I was watching something where... Oh, my, my son loves this cartoon called, uh... What's the name of this, this cartoon he watches? Um... Blaze. It sounds like the... (laughs) But it's Blaze and the Monster Machine. And they had like this one... It's a, the, the episode is a, is a giant meatball rolling down the town, destroying the town. And they had this one, I was clearly like black rollerblading, like monster truck with an afro going, "Get down, get groovy. Get down, get meatball. Meatball." And then the meatball rolls over him. My son loves that, right?

Joe Rogan 42:13 (laughs)

Owen Smith 42:13 So what I've, (laughs) what I do with him is now I pretend that that guy was on the phone with somebody else. And I'm like, "Hey Steve, what you doing?" "I'm just rollerblading. Get down, get..." And then, and then so now my son does it. And I was like, "Get meatballed, Steve. No, Steve, get out of there." So then we pretend that we have to break the news to Steve's family that he got ran over by a giant meatball. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:34 (laughs)

Owen Smith 42:34 So then we pretend-

Joe Rogan 42:37 How old, your son is how old?

Owen Smith 42:38 My son is three.

Joe Rogan 42:39 That's hilarious.

Owen Smith 42:39 But then, but then we pretend that we work with Steve and he's about to go rollerblading for lunch. You know what I mean? So it's just, it's the economy of, uh, "Steve, where you going?" "I'm going rollerblading." "Uh, you know, that's kind of played. Nobody does it." "Ah, you know, it's nice outside." And then he gets...... promo about a meatball. So it's like-

Joe Rogan 42:55 (laughs)

Owen Smith 42:55 ... everybody who knew Steve, how did they feel about Steve? So it, that's kind of like what (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 42:59 Ripple effects.

Owen Smith 43:00 It's the ripple effects. And that-

Joe Rogan 43:01 Yeah.

Owen Smith 43:01 And that's kind of like how I would, I would think of bits in my head sometimes. And then-

Joe Rogan 43:06 Are you paying attention to how economists are looking at the future?

Owen Smith 43:10 Uh, sometimes. It's a-

Joe Rogan 43:11 Like right now? Like with... I mean, I don't even, I, I haven't read any prognostications other than it's bad.

Owen Smith 43:18 It's, it's bad.

Joe Rogan 43:18 It could be like The Great Depression.

Owen Smith 43:20 Yeah. All, all of that is true. I mean, well, where I get lost is when they just start talking about like injecting money and fixing things, you know, with money. I'm not, I'm not... I'm lost on that. I'm more, I'm more into like the personal, like what happens to us.

Joe Rogan 43:34 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 43:34 Like, like how do we... I'm fascinated with that shit, like the human nature of what's, you know, gonna happen. Like w- how are things gonna change on the other side of this, right?

Joe Rogan 43:42 Right.

Owen Smith 43:42 Like, are you gonna shake hands? Are you gonna be, you know, you know-

Joe Rogan 43:45 Right.

Owen Smith 43:45 ... doing-

Joe Rogan 43:45 How many people are gonna keep wearing masks?

Owen Smith 43:47 Keep wearing masks. Um, and then like, I was... I had a, a classic like racial thing happen to me yesterday. I was with my son, three years old, and this, uh, this guy was working out with his shirt off in the park. Just this big guy. He looked kind of like ridiculous. And, um, my mom-

Joe Rogan 44:04 With weights? You said weights?

Owen Smith 44:05 Yeah, yeah, he had two dumbbells.

Joe Rogan 44:07 Is he u-

Owen Smith 44:07 No shirt on. He's just like doing this-

Joe Rogan 44:09 In the park?

Owen Smith 44:09 In the park, just doing these dumb workouts. And, um, me and my son see him, but my son is... he knows about the social. My son is three, man. He's on his little scooter. I'm on my bike to keep up with him because he's fast as hell. And then when we, we're coming back, we're... I'm walking my bike and my son has his, um, scooter. And we see there's like either a BMW or Audi. We see the doo-doo lights go on and I don't think anything of it. Then I look and it's the guy and he's like doing it like right in front of us. Like, you know what I mean? So it's classic, like does he think I'm gonna break into his car with my son or... Like, you had all day to lock your car, man. Like, you could have just done it when you didn't see us. And so like a part of me was like, "Why are you do..." He was like doing it so he could... so I could see he was doing... You know what I'm trying to say? Like I'm walking-

Joe Rogan 44:58 Oh.

Owen Smith 44:58 ... and he's like, like literally like locking his door. And it, to me it felt like... because I had on a mask, I had on a mask, you know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:07 (laughs)

Owen Smith 45:07 And I was reading stories about how most Black folks are afraid to wear masks because we look like, "Yo." So a part of me was like, "I scared this motherfucker. That's cool."

Joe Rogan 45:14 (laughs)

Owen Smith 45:15 (laughs) But, but a part of me was like, "What? Where my son?" Like, I was like, "Do I engage with him or do I let it go? Like what do you do?" And I, I let it go because I was with my son and it just felt, it just felt ridiculous. I was like... But I feel like we're reverting back to like those paranoid things too. Like, "Oh man, Black dude in a mask, you know, lock my thing." And it was like a... I was like, "What point would I prove?" And, and I'm not going to change him. You know, what, what do I do? So I just... my son didn't even see it. I would not have seen it if he wasn't so just like clumsy and odd with it. Like it just felt like... because we had passed him several times. He could have, he could have locked his car when we were gone, you know, just done it and just kept it moving. But it was like a-

Joe Rogan 46:00 So he was like letting you know?

Owen Smith 46:01 Yeah, yeah. That's what it felt like to me.

Joe Rogan 46:04 I think people are losing their minds.

Owen Smith 46:05 I think so.

Joe Rogan 46:06 I think that's a lot of what's happening.

Owen Smith 46:08 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:09 Their behavior patterns are all off because they're, they're so under duress and stress. You know, there's a lot of people that are acting real strange. Sometimes, you know, I'll call people up just to say hi.

Owen Smith 46:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:21 You know, like, "How are you doing? You hanging in there?" And they just... a lot of people just seem real weirded out. You know what it gets me, man, is at night.

Owen Smith 46:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:29 Gets me at night.

Owen Smith 46:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:31 Because during the day, I'm like, everything's fucked up. But, you know, we're maintaining. I, I have faith in human nature.

Owen Smith 46:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:38 I have faith in society that we'll pull together. But at nighttime, I don't have any fucking faith.

Owen Smith 46:42 Must be not performing either, man.

Joe Rogan 46:44 It does that.

Owen Smith 46:44 I don't have any outlet.

Joe Rogan 46:45 It's definitely that. But it's also at night, there's something about the darkness where I'm like, I just... You know, I do a lot of my really fucked up thinking when everyone else in my house is asleep.

Owen Smith 46:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:57 You know?

Owen Smith 46:59 (laughs) I can relate. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:00 That's when I, that's when I spark up. That's when I write my best shit too.

Owen Smith 47:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:03 That's when everyone's asleep.

Owen Smith 47:04 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:05 So when everyone's asleep, I'm sitting around thinking like, "Man, what if this keeps going sideways? What if we get a solar flare? What if the grid goes down?" Yeah. "What if the earthquake hits? What if the fucking volcano under Yellowstone blows? What if this? What if an asteroid hits? What if the worst disease catches on? What if there's a war between us and China over this bullshit?" There was a crazy letter that Germany wrote to China yesterday. Crazy. The head of Germany wrote some letter, um, uh, directly to the head guy in China talking about the only reason why you're in power is because of surveillance and what have you done to the world? Like what, what, what-

Owen Smith 47:37 They tried to fuck around. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:38 ... you guys have done because of your disgusting pride and you've, you've hidden the facts from people. You've tried to distort the reality. And because of that, hundreds of thousands of people are going to die. Like, whoa.

Owen Smith 47:50 Damn.

Joe Rogan 47:50 It was deep.

Owen Smith 47:51 Damn.

Joe Rogan 47:51 I was reading this letter, like you never read a letter like that where one world leader is shitting on another world leader.

Owen Smith 47:56 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 47:58 It was the editor of a newspaper it says.

Joe Rogan 48:00 Was it?

Jamie Vernon 48:00 Yeah.

Owen Smith 48:00 Oh, it wasn't Angela-

Joe Rogan 48:01 Now, wasn't there a head guy in... The, the, oh, the head guy in Germany is a woman, right?

Owen Smith 48:05 Yeah. Angela Merkel, right?

Joe Rogan 48:06 Who is it?

Jamie Vernon 48:07 Editor of a prominent German newspaper.

Joe Rogan 48:09 Oh, okay.

Owen Smith 48:10 Oh.

Joe Rogan 48:11 Well, whoever that person is.

Jamie Vernon 48:13 Julian Reich... Reichelt.

Joe Rogan 48:15 Say it again.

Jamie Vernon 48:15 Reichelt. Reichelt.

Owen Smith 48:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:19 Reichelt.

Jamie Vernon 48:19 I was gonna say. (laughs)

Owen Smith 48:20 (laughs) Yeah. Okay.

Joe Rogan 48:22 Yeah. Whatever the articles. It's right. It's correct.

Jamie Vernon 48:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:26 You know, because, uh, they... China never... they don't admit any fault ever. Whenever anything goes wrong, they cover everything up. And there's so many people that criticize the government in China, they just wind up getting ghosted. They just disappear.

Owen Smith 48:39 Oh my goodness.

Joe Rogan 48:40 They vanish.

Owen Smith 48:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:41 They, they never hear from them again.

Owen Smith 48:43 No.

Joe Rogan 48:43 No one knows what to do. I mean, that's, that's how they run things over there. What scares me is that if we give in to that kind of, uh... like they have apps on their phone-

Owen Smith 48:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:52 ... right now that give them a social score.... you know, so like if you jaywalk, you lose points.

Owen Smith 48:57 Oh, yeah. I've heard about that.

Joe Rogan 48:58 Yeah.

Owen Smith 48:59 Oh, yeah. And the guy, yeah, some guy said his Social Score was really bad, and people... It's almost like Minority Report, 'cause everyone can find your Social Score.

Joe Rogan 49:04 It's almost like Black Mirror.

Owen Smith 49:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:06 You know? Like, the... It's, it's scary.

Owen Smith 49:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:09 And, uh, w- if we give into that kind of surveillance over here-

Owen Smith 49:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:12 ... there's a real dark end to all that stuff. There's a real dark end. The, the, the bright side is you're like, "Oh, well, maybe everybody will keep their shit together and be nice."

Owen Smith 49:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:20 Or maybe the government will be watching every goddamn thing you do all day long and hold that over you, and then they'll use that in order to gain more political power.

Owen Smith 49:29 Oh, my goodness.

Joe Rogan 49:29 That's just as possible, and more likely.

Owen Smith 49:31 Or if they, if your Social Score is, like, manipulated or wrong.

Joe Rogan 49:35 The downside is a lack of freedom, and that's the whole reason why the United States is so innovative. The whole reason is, is this, this... Uh, we, we have this spirit over here, this spirit of freedom-

Owen Smith 49:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:46 ... you know, that we can do more. We can get more shit done. We can, we can come up with ideas.

Owen Smith 49:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:52 We, we celebrate this sort of creative, the, the, the sort of creative spirit that we think of when we think of the United States. We think of freedom, we think of creativity. There's so much innovation done over here. The moment you start clamping down on people and taking away freedom, you're also gonna take away that creativity. You're also gonna take away that innovative, uh, thought mentality. You're gonna make people scared, and you're gonna do it just so that you can control them, and it's fucked... It's the worst. Like, one of the, one of the things about the United States that makes it so great is that we have the ability to criticize our government.

Owen Smith 50:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:22 We have the ability to talk shit, and that keeps people in check. Even Trump, like even Trump, like as much as he hates it, he has toned down a lot of his rhetoric-

Owen Smith 50:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:33 ... because of the criticism that he's faced, you know?

Owen Smith 50:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:37 And that's... It's important. It's very important.

Owen Smith 50:39 Yeah. I mean, he has to... Uh, that's one thing this virus is making everybody have to do their job.

Joe Rogan 50:44 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 50:45 Like, you realize, like, a lot of his people were, like, acting in positions. Like-

Joe Rogan 50:50 Yeah.

Owen Smith 50:50 ... they weren't really... I don't know if you were-

Joe Rogan 50:52 Yeah.

Owen Smith 50:52 ... truly vested if you're acting in it, but like, it's making everyone have to actually do their job.

Joe Rogan 50:58 I wonder if he would do it again, all over again, if he knew how hard it would be and how much he would get shit on.

Owen Smith 51:03 I don't... You know, I don't know. I, I think... It was so funny. What he presented to me was like... He was like, like the hot new nightclub, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 51:15 (laughs)

Owen Smith 51:15 And like everybody was in there. You know what it's like, like a nightclub and you could pretend to be who you, who you wanna be and you could just... You know what I mean? And the watered-down expensive drinks and it's just all happening. Then the coronavirus comes and that's like when the lights come on (laughs) in the club and you get to see, you know, how fucked up shit really is.

Joe Rogan 51:34 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 51:34 And, and so... 'Cause when the cold country just kinda like said, "All right, we're gonna go with Joe Biden," regardless of how lucid you feel he is or how sharp you think he is... When the whole country was like, "We're just gonna go with Joe," it just made me think, like, Trump is like a fancy, a nice resort, like hotel... Like, who doesn't wanna stay in a nice hotel, right? He's like, "I'm rich. I'm this." And everyone's like, "I wanna do that." But after a while you get tired of spending $21 for internet and $40 for pancakes and you just wanna go home, and, and Joe is kinda feel... It felt like he represents home. You know what I mean? Like people are like-

Joe Rogan 52:09 Really?

Owen Smith 52:09 I feel like people-

Joe Rogan 52:10 Joe Biden, to me, feels like a schoolhouse in a third world country that's gonna collapse and kill all the kids.

Owen Smith 52:16 A schoolhouse (laughs) in a th- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:17 Like a schoolhouse that is made-

Owen Smith 52:19 But I think-

Joe Rogan 52:19 ... by people who skirted all the rules of how to... of construction.

Owen Smith 52:24 Really? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:24 Yeah, he's a old dude with dementia.

Owen Smith 52:26 But I think he's gonna be propped up by so many, uh, different people who are gonna vote him in. Like President Obama's gonna come out and endorse him and people are gonna miss and-

Joe Rogan 52:33 If President Obama wants to come out and take over, okay.

Owen Smith 52:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:37 But if he doesn't, you got Joe Biden-

Owen Smith 52:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:39 ... who's the leader of the country who can't form sentences. Listen, man. There's 320 million people in this country. You're telling me that's the best the Democratic Party can do? That's crazy.

Owen Smith 52:49 Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm... What I'm saying is I feel like, to everyone, he was... He represented home. That's what I'm saying. Because he, he's familiar. He was standing next to the guy that we all, uh, felt more comfortable with, especially in situations like this.

Joe Rogan 53:03 Did you see Obama's endorsement video?

Owen Smith 53:05 I didn't.

Joe Rogan 53:06 It was straight up gaslighting.

Owen Smith 53:07 Ah!

Joe Rogan 53:08 It's just gaslighting.

Owen Smith 53:09 What'd he say?

Joe Rogan 53:09 He's pretending that it's-

Owen Smith 53:10 Can you pull it up?

Joe Rogan 53:11 You could, you could find it. I don't know if we could play it.

Owen Smith 53:13 Is it long or is it... Is he, is he like-

Joe Rogan 53:14 It's long enough.

Owen Smith 53:15 Oh.

Joe Rogan 53:15 Like, he's... He doesn't believe a goddamn word he's saying.

Owen Smith 53:18 Ah, Joe.

Joe Rogan 53:18 He has to say... Look, he knows Biden is doomed. He knows he's doomed.

Owen Smith 53:23 So you think he's gonna lose?

Joe Rogan 53:25 It's not a matter of whether or not I think he's gonna lose. I do think he's gonna lose.

Owen Smith 53:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:28 But even if I thought he was gonna win, he shouldn't do the job. He... There's no way he can take the pressure of that position with the cognitive decline that he's already showing.

Owen Smith 53:38 But-

Joe Rogan 53:39 There's no buts. You just want the Democratic Party to be back in control. I get it.

Owen Smith 53:43 No.

Joe Rogan 53:43 It makes sense.

Owen Smith 53:44 No, I wish... Listen, man. I wish... Uh, like I say, man, like when you're in, when you're in a nightclub, you don't care how stuff's going down, right?

Joe Rogan 53:54 Right.

Owen Smith 53:54 But when you come out-

Joe Rogan 53:56 I don't understand this nightclub analogy.

Owen Smith 53:57 You don't understand the analogy? Damn. I'm trying to give you an example. To me, just the way that Trump is handling, uh, I mean, any kind of criticism he's, uh... Anything is, is-

Joe Rogan 54:07 Yeah.

Owen Smith 54:07 It's unsettling.

Joe Rogan 54:08 Not good. Right.

Owen Smith 54:09 It's like, "Dude, just calm down, man." Like, "You got the gig."

Joe Rogan 54:11 You're right. You're right.

Owen Smith 54:12 "You're in charge." It's, it's kinda like... I was talking to, uh, Keith Robinson. He had this amazing point. I don't know. It just made me laugh. He said, um, "There should be some type of test you have to pass to become president because for any other thing you have to take a test, so you have to have degrees or whatever. But to be in charge of everybody else, (laughs) you don't have to take a test."

Joe Rogan 54:30 All you have to do is win a popularity contest.

Owen Smith 54:31 All you have to do is win a popularity contest-

Joe Rogan 54:32 Yeah.

Owen Smith 54:32 ... and you're in charge.

Joe Rogan 54:33 And you control the nukes.

Owen Smith 54:34 Everything.

Joe Rogan 54:35 Yeah.

Owen Smith 54:35 And it's like a backwards thing. And so, that guy who's in charge of everybody else is just... It's like, man, I just wish he (laughs) didn't cause so much... Just wasn't the way he, he was. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 54:50 Right.

Owen Smith 54:50 I wish he could just take the gig seriously.

Joe Rogan 54:51 The thing is that's who he's always been.

Owen Smith 54:54 That's my point, and yet, so-

Joe Rogan 54:54 And he hasn't changed at all once he got into office.

Owen Smith 54:57 No.

Joe Rogan 54:57 And people did expect him to. Yeah.He's always been the guy that if anybody says anything about him, he talks mad shit about that person-

Owen Smith 55:03 Yo.

Joe Rogan 55:03 ... whether it's-

Owen Smith 55:03 He's never lied to you.

Joe Rogan 55:04 ... Rosie O'Donnell-

Owen Smith 55:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:05 ... or whoever it is that he's been in feuds with.

Owen Smith 55:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:07 Yeah.

Owen Smith 55:07 He's never lied to you. And the way-

Joe Rogan 55:09 Yeah.

Owen Smith 55:09 And so, it's like you respect all of that. But it's just like, in times like this when this requires some empathy, (laughs) when it requires-

Joe Rogan 55:17 Yeah.

Owen Smith 55:17 ... you to look into the camera and say, "I feel for the people that are dying."

Joe Rogan 55:20 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 55:20 Not, give me credit for this. (laughs) It's like, don't do the give me credit stuff now. It's just-

Joe Rogan 55:24 The give me credit stuff is ridiculous.

Owen Smith 55:25 Like, come on, fam.

Joe Rogan 55:26 It's ridiculous.

Owen Smith 55:26 And so, I feel like ... So all I'm saying is, I feel like having Joe come up there and play those notes, it feels like people ... How everyone just all of a sudden overnight goes, "Joe Biden's our guy." It felt like everyone was like, "I just wanna," all right.

Joe Rogan 55:40 I think it's like when-

Owen Smith 55:41 That's the analogy I'm coming from.

Joe Rogan 55:41 ... Mariah Carey was on pills and she couldn't sing the national anthem 'cause she forgot the words.

Owen Smith 55:45 (laughs) Listen.

Joe Rogan 55:46 Dude, there's no fucking way, man.

Owen Smith 55:48 Listen, man.

Joe Rogan 55:48 That guy can't be president. He can't talk.

Owen Smith 55:51 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 55:51 He can't hold a sentence. You give him a couple minutes on CNN-

Owen Smith 55:55 But, but-

Joe Rogan 55:55 ... and he can't keep it together.

Owen Smith 55:56 But you're telling me-

Joe Rogan 55:56 What is it gonna be like after a year in office dealing with international politics, the economy, the environment-

Owen Smith 56:02 But-

Joe Rogan 56:02 ... all these different things?

Owen Smith 56:03 But what I'm saying is, he's gonna have people.

Joe Rogan 56:06 So did Obama, but look how old he got, how quickly.

Owen Smith 56:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:08 And Obama's brilliant. Obama's a brilliant, articulate guy.

Owen Smith 56:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:12 I mean, he started getting gray hair. His skin started sagging-

Owen Smith 56:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 56:15 ... rapidly.

Owen Smith 56:15 'Cause he was actually reading the memos (laughs) that came through.

Joe Rogan 56:18 (laughs) He's actually an actual president.

Owen Smith 56:18 He was actually going, "This shit is crazy." Right, that's my point. My man Trump hasn't aged, man.

Joe Rogan 56:23 Right. But if Biden starts reading those things, he'll be dead in a week. And then-

Owen Smith 56:25 No.

Joe Rogan 56:25 ... who's gonna be the vice president?

Owen Smith 56:27 Whoev-

Joe Rogan 56:27 Elizabeth Warren? Who are they gonna put in there?

Owen Smith 56:28 No, they're probably ... I don't know who they gonna pick. It's like ...

Joe Rogan 56:31 They said, uh, he wants to pick a woman of color. So maybe-

Owen Smith 56:34 He said a, he said-

Joe Rogan 56:35 ... Elizabeth car-

Owen Smith 56:35 ... a woman of color for the Supreme Court.

Joe Rogan 56:37 Oh, is that what he said?

Owen Smith 56:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:38 I thought he said for vi- vice president to pick.

Owen Smith 56:39 He should. He should.

Joe Rogan 56:41 But should he?

Owen Smith 56:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:41 Or should he pick the best person?

Owen Smith 56:43 He should pick the best person, who will probably be a woman of color.

Joe Rogan 56:47 Why would it be a woman of color, though?

Owen Smith 56:51 The most, uh, e-

Joe Rogan 56:52 Would it be-

Owen Smith 56:52 The most-

Joe Rogan 56:52 ... because they're underrepresented and it would be a good thing for the country, or would it be a good thing for the country because it's the best person for the job?

Owen Smith 57:00 Both. Be- uh, both best person for the ... The best person for the job, I feel, could be a woman of color.

Joe Rogan 57:08 Or it could be anybody.

Owen Smith 57:08 And the best person for this country could also be a woman of color.

Joe Rogan 57:11 It could be.

Owen Smith 57:12 Because, um, a lot of policies kinda stop, uh, before consulting with people of color. And a woman of color can see, "Hey, well, we live- leaving out this group. Let's figure this out." Right?

Joe Rogan 57:26 Right. But what if it's a male of color who's better qualified for the job?

Owen Smith 57:31 I don't ... But that's my, my point. What is, what are the qualifications for this job, is, is what I just said. There's no test you have to take. It's just a popularity contest, right?

Joe Rogan 57:38 Well, if that's the case, then wha- wha- then the only reason-

Owen Smith 57:40 But, um, but as far as-

Joe Rogan 57:41 ... a woman of color would be would be what? Why would you want a woman of color?

Owen Smith 57:44 I think everyone would just feel better (laughs) if it was a woman of color in charge.

Joe Rogan 57:49 Hmm.

Owen Smith 57:50 I, I, I feel like ... What did Chelsea Handler say when she did her whole thing? Remember, she just, she just did a whole thing about, uh, something on Netflix. And she was like, "We ..." And she went on Ellen and she said, "We need to start listening to women of color." Like, it was like, yeah, you probably should. I think ... I- I'm not the right person to be talking about this, but I feel like, you know, they, they say Stacey Abrams is in the running. And, uh, I don't think she'd be a bad choice. Um, but, uh, I've s- I've watched how she just puts things in context, and she is very smart and very sharp. And she is not thrown. Like, she would be extremely qualified for the job.

Joe Rogan 58:33 Well, I'll tell you who could actually be president.

Owen Smith 58:36 Who? Who?

Joe Rogan 58:36 Michelle Obama.

Owen Smith 58:37 She's not gon' do it.

Joe Rogan 58:38 She's not going to do it?

Owen Smith 58:39 No.

Joe Rogan 58:40 But if she wanted to do it, she could be president.

Owen Smith 58:43 Why do you think she could do it?

Joe Rogan 58:44 First of all, she's brilliant.

Owen Smith 58:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:45 She's articulate.

Owen Smith 58:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:46 She's well-known. She's, uh, she's a, a powerful person.

Owen Smith 58:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:50 Like, she speaks really well.

Owen Smith 58:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:52 She obviously was four, uh, for, uh, rather two terms, she was, uh, the first lady.

Owen Smith 58:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:58 So she's y- accustomed to the public eye. She's accustomed to speaking publicly.

Owen Smith 59:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:03 If ... Dude, if she stepped up and decided she would run for president, I think she'd win by a landslide. She's-

Owen Smith 59:07 'Cause it's a popularity contest at this point.

Joe Rogan 59:08 Maybe not beat Trump, I, I should say, but win-

Owen Smith 59:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:11 ... the Democratic nominee f- by a landslide.

Owen Smith 59:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:14 I really think.

Owen Smith 59:14 You, you think she would lose as well though?

Joe Rogan 59:16 I don't know. I don't know how it works. It's complicated, right? And especially when you're dealing with, uh, Electoral College. Like, look, Trump lost the popular vote, but he won the Electoral College vote.

Owen Smith 59:26 Right. And that's why they say Joe Biden was the best bet, because Joe Biden ... So Pennsylvania was a, is a swing state, and Joe Biden is the only person out of the Democratic nominees who did not say he was against fracking. He was like-

Joe Rogan 59:39 (makes expelling sound)

Owen Smith 59:40 ... "You can't, you can't be against ... You can't, you can't do it all at once." And then they, they had, they had the clip of the fracking protester, and he's like, "Go vote for somebody else, man." Like, (laughs) like Joe was like, "Go vote for somebody else." And so, Trump, they, they were saying that Trump does not feel like he can beat Joe in Pennsylvania, 'cause that's where Joe's from. And he also supports ... He has an in with, you know, the coal miners and the fracking industry-

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 1:00:01 ... just like, you know, Trump. So when it comes to those Electoral College votes, Trump doesn't know, knows he can't beat him. That's why, hence, the whole Ukrainian, get some dirt on him, just announce something's happening, type thing. That was kind of, like, the narrative of, of that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 1:00:15 And so, when it comes to electorial votes, that whole Midwest gang, that whole Michigan, Michiganders, uh, eh, Biden is right there. And that's what I'm saying, like, when people-

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 I don't know if he is, man. I don't know. Uh, I don't know what, what's gonna happen once people start hearing him talk on the campaign trail.

Owen Smith 1:00:32 But I, I don't-

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 People-

Owen Smith 1:00:33 ... know, I don't know how-

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 ... that are on the fence-

Owen Smith 1:00:34 I don't know how brilliant or articulate Trump is. Like, I don't-

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 Oh.

Owen Smith 1:00:37 I think, I think everyone, I think as far as-

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 Listen, it's not a matter of brilliance. It's a matter of being able to control crowds and have these exciting rallies. He does arenas, dude.

Owen Smith 1:00:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 He does sold-out arenas and he kills.

Owen Smith 1:00:48 I know, hours.

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 D- Listen, I'm not ... This is not-

Owen Smith 1:00:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 ... uh, looking, I'm just looking at it objectively. I know-

Owen Smith 1:00:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 ... you want a Democrat to win, right? And you want a woman of color to be the vice president.

Owen Smith 1:00:57 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 You want Biden to win.

Owen Smith 1:00:59 I would, I would love that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 Right.

Owen Smith 1:00:59 I would, I would love for-

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 I'm not saying-

Owen Smith 1:01:02 I would love for things to feel-... like, they're, I don't wanna say back to normal, but I would just love to feel like... When the president is speaking-

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 They're not-

Owen Smith 1:01:14 ... that they're not-

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 ... the way that they, they are right now.

Owen Smith 1:01:15 That it's not like, "That was a horrible question."

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 Yeah.

Owen Smith 1:01:17 You, you were like, "Uh, come on man."

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 That's a nasty question.

Owen Smith 1:01:19 "Nasty question. You should..." It's like, come on man. Like?

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 Yeah. It's, it's bad in those ways. Um, but what I'm talking about is his ability to excite his base and the ability to get people behind him. He has a, a unprecedented ability. And depending upon how he handles this coronavirus crisis, it could swing left or right. It really dem- depends entirely upon who, uh, B-Biden picks because y- you remember when George W was president, it really was like President Dick Cheney, right?

Owen Smith 1:01:50 Right. Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 Dick Cheney was in that fucking vampire underground bunker-

Owen Smith 1:01:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 ... getting fresh blood pumped into him every day and-

Owen Smith 1:01:56 (laughs) Yeah. Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 ... pa- calling all the shots. Do you remember there was one point in time where Cheney was consistently in the bunker? He was in the bunker for, like, weeks at a time.

Owen Smith 1:02:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 And they were saying, "He's in a..." Th- they even told us, "He was in a bunker be- just in case anything happens." Like, why isn't Bush in a fucking bunker?

Owen Smith 1:02:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 He's the president. Dick Cheney was out there calling the shots, I mean it's-

Owen Smith 1:02:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 ... it was o- one of the most transparent times when you see the connection between industry and government where you have a guy who was the former CEO of Halliburton-

Owen Smith 1:02:24 Right. (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 ... a company that rebuilds countries after we blow them up, getting no-bid contracts to rebuild a country that we blew up-

Owen Smith 1:02:32 Have to blow up.

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 ... while he's making the decisions to blow up these countries.

Owen Smith 1:02:34 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 It's crazy.

Owen Smith 1:02:35 It was crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 It was crazy.

Owen Smith 1:02:37 And w- And like, you couldn't stop it.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 Right. But if someone comes along and some powerful speaker, someone who you really... I mean there's, there's several choices apparently and if they pick someone, and I'm, I'm sure they're grooming someone right now, who you get excited about. You go, "Okay this person, this person could step up if, if Biden lost or if Biden lost it."

Owen Smith 1:02:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 Or if Biden died, which is also possible.

Owen Smith 1:03:02 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 Bro, there's a f- there's a photo of him that was on the New York Times yesterday-

Owen Smith 1:03:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 ... where you can see, like, where they gave him the fucking, the facelift.

Owen Smith 1:03:09 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 And they got his... Like, he's, he's talking and his, like, skin is unnaturally pulled up and, and back and it's like, oh Christ man.

Owen Smith 1:03:16 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 Maybe 20 years ago. Maybe 20 years ago, but not now. This is crazy.

Owen Smith 1:03:20 Amen. All I know is, like, when he was talking about all the stuff he would have done if this crossed his desk, like, you know, and just, just, just-

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 What?

Owen Smith 1:03:28 ... be- just having an awareness of how the government works.

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 Like what?

Owen Smith 1:03:31 Well, well, the, what was it? The pandemic agency was-

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 1:03:35 ... closed down at mo- And Trump, but what I love about Trump, he was honest, he was like, "Man, nobody thought this was gonna happen." Like, he literally (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 True.

Owen Smith 1:03:41 ... he just said it. So he was like, "Get rid of him." But then there's, there's like all types of protocols and you find out where the money is for this. Like, Joe had a, a, just a knowledge of where all that stuff was.

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 Mm.

Owen Smith 1:03:53 And I feel like Trump talks to his lawyers like, "What can I do?"

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 Right.

Owen Smith 1:03:57 "What can I do?" Sure. "What can I do? What can I do?" And he just goes (snaps fingers) , you know, then he takes his stance based on what he has known he's, knows he's gonna be protected legally.

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 Right.

Owen Smith 1:04:06 And he doesn't equate that he's president o- of all of us, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 Mm-hmm.

Owen Smith 1:04:11 And so I just feel like that's what's missing and he is incapable of doing that. I know when Pence had the mic and Pence was getting popular, it aided Trump and he was like, "Man, let me come and do these, uh, conferences."

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 How does that guy get popular? How does... P- First of all, you wanna talk about a vice president? I don't know what that guy's voice sounds like.

Owen Smith 1:04:29 Dude! Well people were just-

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 I don't... (laughs)

Owen Smith 1:04:30 ... happy to hear somebody not yelling back at people-

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 Right.

Owen Smith 1:04:33 ... and he was like, "We're gonna, we'll have that by the end of the week and..."

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 Did you ever see... There's a woman who has one of them pink pussy hats on and there's-

Owen Smith 1:04:38 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 ... just a bunch of people that are yelling, "Impeach Trump! Impeach Trump!" And she's running like, "Yay! F- President Pence! President Pence!"

Owen Smith 1:04:44 Oh yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:44 And they're like, "What?" Like, "Yeah, if Trump gets impeached then Pence becomes president."

Owen Smith 1:04:49 If Trump gets impeached... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 Oh. She's like, "Yeah, maybe we should not impeach him." And they're like, "Yeah, maybe." (laughs)

Owen Smith 1:04:52 Yeah, yeah. That was so funny.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 (laughs) It's crazy.

Owen Smith 1:04:54 It's become so, it's become so emotional, right?

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 Yes.

Owen Smith 1:04:57 Like, and, and, and, and, and I feel like Trump's a businessman so he, he's not approaching this (laughs) with any emotion and it's just-

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 Right.

Owen Smith 1:05:06 ... it fucks with people 'cause they're like,