Joe Rogan Experience #1463 - Tom Green

Joe Rogan 0:00 ... one. The OG, ladies and gentlemen.

Tom Green 0:02 Oh, Joe.

Joe Rogan 0:03 Y- you're the OG.

Tom Green 0:04 Virtual, virtual-

Joe Rogan 0:05 Dude, knuckle... We can give each other real knuckles.

Tom Green 0:06 Come on, don't be scared. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:07 Here we go.

Tom Green 0:08 I'm not, I'm not, like, I'm not crazy s-... I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, like, a paranoid person, but I'll tell you, Joe, you got me to leave my house for the first time in five weeks, okay?

Joe Rogan 0:16 I'm so happy you left and I'm so happy you got tested.

Tom Green 0:19 Yeah. The first time in five weeks that I've left the house and, yeah, I got tested and I'm... And everything's great, so... But I'm not, like, you know, paranoid or anything like that. It's just-

Joe Rogan 0:26 Spray it down, baby.

Tom Green 0:28 Yeah, yeah, just, you know...

Joe Rogan 0:29 How, how bad is all this Lysol for us?

Tom Green 0:30 This stuff is pretty good, by the way.

Joe Rogan 0:31 This is a real question, right? How bad is all this Lysol?

Tom Green 0:34 Yeah, yeah, it'll be fine.

Jamie Vernon 0:35 The aerosol's probably not bad.

Tom Green 0:36 Um, but no, great to be here. Thank you for having me.

Joe Rogan 0:38 My pleasure.

Tom Green 0:39 And, uh... Man, what... I haven't, I haven't left my house in five weeks. Uh, I've been isolating as a responsible citizen, right?

Joe Rogan 0:49 Yes.

Tom Green 0:49 Yeah. And, uh, I, I feel good. I feel... First of all, I'm s- excited to be here. I, uh-

Joe Rogan 0:55 I'm excited to have you here.

Tom Green 0:55 I posted that... I was... I've been going through my computers. I'm at home, I'm going through my computers and just killing time. I live alone, okay? I happen to be single at this point in my life.

Joe Rogan 1:06 Ladies.

Tom Green 1:07 There you go, huh? Right, right (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:10 (laughs)

Tom Green 1:10 Right before this happened, uh... And I kind of think to myself sometimes, I think, "Okay, imagine if I had been in a relationship that hadn't been going well and this happened."

Joe Rogan 1:19 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 1:19 And then you have to make the decision to isolate with somebody. I'm not in that situation, I'm home alone and I've been talking a lot to my friends on FaceTime, and I've been socializing, and I've been, you know, living life in this world, but alone in my house. I'm going through my computers, started going through old footage. I found that clip from when you came up to my house back in the day and, uh... Yeah, I just... I, I, I saw this moment where I just... I'll jump right into this, if that's cool.

Joe Rogan 1:51 Sure.

Tom Green 1:51 Because this... I saw this moment in the clip where we started talking about my old web show, and you'd come up to my house back in the day, and it was so cool that you came up then. And I remember at the time, your website was, like, way advanced, right? Like, it had all sorts of extra stuff on it that people weren't really doing on the web back then and you came up, we just started talking about the web and, um-

Joe Rogan 2:13 That was because of my webmaster, Andrew Blevins. Shout out to Andrew.

Tom Green 2:16 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 2:17 He's a, a wizard at web creating.

Tom Green 2:19 So I was always really into web stuff, you know. I had my website, I started my website early when I was, you know, up in Canada, and I was really... Thought that was cool and we started talking about what I was doing, which was kind of crazy, right? And then you just started talking about... You say (laughs) ... You said, uh, "What, what, what we gotta do is figure out how we're gonna make some money off this."

Joe Rogan 2:42 Yeah.

Tom Green 2:42 And I'm like, "Yeah." And I'm, like, going, "Yeah, I know, it's... I mean..." You know, I'd been trying. I had been trying. I'd been going to, you know, advertisers and stuff and they were like, "What?" You know, "What, what do you mean, internet?" You know?

Joe Rogan 2:52 (laughs)

Tom Green 2:52 But, uh, it's kind of funny that I saw that clip and I thought, "That's hilarious." Because, you know, not to, not to, you know, blow too much smoke up your ass, but clearly you figured how, (laughs) how to make money off of it and it was hilarious. I'm like, "That's hilarious and prophetic moment. How can we make money off of it?" And now we're here in this beautiful studio, and it's incredible, so...

Joe Rogan 3:09 Yeah, there was a few moments that, uh, really planted a seed in my head to do something like this online. This... Yours was a big one.

Tom Green 3:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:17 Being at your house and seeing how you had servers.

Tom Green 3:19 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:20 You had full cables. Like, folks-

Tom Green 3:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:22 ... this room is not as sophisticated as Tom Green's home was in 2007. That's how crazy it was.

Tom Green 3:29 There was some weird stuff in there, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:30 But you had it set up like an... You had a, a whole internet service provider set up at your house.

Tom Green 3:37 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:37 Like, like you could have run, like, a network in 2007. You had all those... You had that whole rack-

Tom Green 3:44 I did.

Joe Rogan 3:44 ... with all that equipment. I walked into that room and it's humming and I'm like, "Holy shit, dude."

Tom Green 3:47 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 3:48 Like, you-

Tom Green 3:48 It was the G-RAID drives.

Joe Rogan 3:49 Yeah.

Tom Green 3:49 The G-RAID drives, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:51 I was like, "This is crazy. This is your house."

Tom Green 3:53 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:53 And, like, folks, like, back then, you had to have these cables that snaked through the house.

Tom Green 3:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:59 Like, so everything was taped down. I was like, "Fuck, dude. This is, like, you've... You literally turned your house into a set."

Tom Green 4:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:05 Like, it was much more like a set than anything I'd ever seen before outside of a set.

Tom Green 4:10 There were lights screwed into the ceiling.

Joe Rogan 4:12 Yeah.

Tom Green 4:13 I kind of trashed my place. Um...

Joe Rogan 4:15 You even figured out how to take video calls from people.

Tom Green 4:18 Right? That was exciting.

Joe Rogan 4:19 Crazy.

Tom Green 4:20 That was exciting. I had this, this, uh...

Joe Rogan 4:21 Yeah, there it is. Tom Green.

Tom Green 4:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the TV on the wall.

Joe Rogan 4:25 Yeah.

Tom Green 4:25 And there's my dog, Steve. Oh, poor Steve, he was in... Oh, and look, I have, uh... Don't have gray in my beard. Oh, look at that. Um...

Joe Rogan 4:31 You're a young man back then.

Tom Green 4:33 This was probably around 2007, I guess. Yeah. And that's, that was the back corner of my living room there.

Joe Rogan 4:38 It's a genius move.

Tom Green 4:38 And you can see all the wires going up. See that? That's going up into the ceiling, up through the ceiling into the spare room, which I turned into the editing room.

Joe Rogan 4:46 Look how crazy all this equipment is. It... Dude-

Tom Green 4:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:47 Dude, you were so ahead of everybody.

Tom Green 4:49 That's actually a little later, actually. I'm looking at this now. This is later. This is after, uh... 'Cause I can tell, because that's an actual... That's not the TriCaster, that's an actual television switcher. I forget what model. It's a Sony switcher.

Joe Rogan 5:01 So you started with a TriCaster and a computer?

Tom Green 5:03 It was a thing called a Video Toaster system first, I had that for a year. Then we got this... The first version of the TriCaster. That's Victor, who was, uh, working on the show. He's, he's stoked that I'm here today. I still talk to Victor quite a bit.

Joe Rogan 5:13 Shout out to Victor.

Tom Green 5:14 Victor, what's up? But, um... So, yeah. So, that was a little later. Um, but, uh, still kind of, uh, you know, we're talking three years later or so.

Joe Rogan 5:24 So 2010-ish?

Tom Green 5:25 Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:25 And look at all your, like, your lighting and everything.

Tom Green 5:27 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 5:27 Like, you had done it where you had basically... Instead of, like, putting cameras in your house-

Tom Green 5:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:33 ... you had turned your house into a studio.

Tom Green 5:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:34 It was like legit.

Tom Green 5:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:36 I remember thinking, "Oh my god." Because Anthony Cumia had, uh, a kind of a pretty high-tech, uh, setup in his basement.

Tom Green 5:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:43 That was another inspiration.

Tom Green 5:44 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:45 C- because he was doing that while he was doing Opie and Anthony, and, you know, they actually...... who, his employers at the time wanted him to stop doing it.

Tom Green 5:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:53 They had decided somehow or another it w- it's not, he shouldn't be allowed to do an extra show.

Tom Green 5:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 5:57 But he's like, "But I'm just promoting this serious show."

Tom Green 6:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:00 Like, "This is free."

Tom Green 6:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:01 Like, "People can see it. It's fun." So Anthony would, uh, do karaoke with machine guns in front of green screens. (laughs)

Tom Green 6:07 Uh-huh. (laughs) And he's still, he's still kicking ass on the inter- yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:11 Yes.

Tom Green 6:11 Wait, how is-

Joe Rogan 6:11 Well, now he has his own, he has his own network.

Tom Green 6:14 Yeah, exactly, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:14 Yeah.

Tom Green 6:15 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:15 I love that guy.

Tom Green 6:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:16 He's a, he's a unique dude. He, he was great on Opie & Anthony. He was always really funny and just like, like a comic, but he never did standup.

Tom Green 6:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:25 It's really interesting.

Tom Green 6:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:26 He's like the most comicky comic guy that I've ever met that never did standup-

Tom Green 6:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:30 ... is Anthony Cumia. 100% could've been a great comic, 100%.

Tom Green 6:33 I think sometimes people that... I mean, I'm just making this up right now, but I think sometimes people that have never done standup who do radio are afraid of it.

Joe Rogan 6:42 Yeah.

Tom Green 6:42 You know, 'cause it's like the audi-

Joe Rogan 6:43 Maybe.

Tom Green 6:43 ... you know, 'cause they can, they can... It's a scary thing getting on stage, you know, to, in, in front of an audience if you've never done it before, but-

Joe Rogan 6:50 Yeah.

Tom Green 6:50 ... you get comfortable behind that mic. But anyways, yeah, man. It was so cool when you came up because I remember like, I think there was like Entertainment Tonight was there that day or something like that.

Joe Rogan 6:59 Oh, really?

Tom Green 6:59 Remember that? And you talked to them after.

Joe Rogan 7:01 And yes, somebody was at... That's right, that's right.

Tom Green 7:01 And you left this, made this quote-

Joe Rogan 7:03 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 7:04 ... to them and that went out and it was defining what's happened in our world.

Joe Rogan 7:10 When I was at... (laughs)

Tom Green 7:10 You were just saying, you know, like, "Well, well we don't need the advertisers anyway. We don't, we don't need the networks anymore. We don't, you know, we can-"

Joe Rogan 7:15 That's right.

Tom Green 7:15 "... get, go straight to the advertiser." I always-

Joe Rogan 7:17 Is that video available anywhere?

Tom Green 7:19 I think I saw it on the internet somewhere.

Joe Rogan 7:21 That, that video-

Tom Green 7:22 Sorry, sorry.

Joe Rogan 7:22 ... of me saying that is kind of hilarious if you stop and think about how all this internet stuff has played out since then.

Tom Green 7:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:28 It's like straight... And there was, that was pre-YouTube, right?

Tom Green 7:30 Mm-hmm. Yep.

Joe Rogan 7:30 Like, nobody was up, uploading to YouTube. You had to have your own TomGreen.com setup.

Tom Green 7:35 So I remember I got a call. This is one of those, like, you know, when you think abou- think back and you sort of kick yourself. I'm, I'm... You know, I was, it was... So, I mean, how far into the weeds do we wanna get technically? I was-

Joe Rogan 7:49 (laughs)

Tom Green 7:49 I... (laughs) You know? It's like people are like, "Who gives a fuck?"

Joe Rogan 7:51 Oh, there it is right there.

Tom Green 7:52 But here I was. I'd, I had the ser- there, that's the clip, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:54 That was my backwards bas- baseball hat days.

Tom Green 7:57 So we were-

Joe Rogan 7:57 Jamie's still in those days. (laughs)

Tom Green 7:58 We were hosting this stuff on this site called bitgravity.com.

Joe Rogan 8:02 Ah.

Tom Green 8:03 So we would upload our shit to that.

Joe Rogan 8:05 Were those the guys from Denver?

Tom Green 8:06 Mm-hmm. Uh, no. Uh, bitGravity is San Francisco. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:09 Okay.

Tom Green 8:10 San Francisco and, uh, Barret Lyon is, you know, sort of-

Joe Rogan 8:13 Did you do some stuff with some guys from Denver?

Tom Green 8:15 That was, that was sort of around the same time. They were, that was Mania TV.

Joe Rogan 8:20 Oh. Right, right, right.

Tom Green 8:21 And so they kind of... But what I, what, what I did was... Mania TV was the only people that were really doing live streaming and I said, "Hey, you know, like I wanna build this TV studio." And they helped me build a studio, but I, I, I wanted it, I wanted to be autonomous of them as well.

Joe Rogan 8:38 Right.

Tom Green 8:39 So I got my own servers through this company bitGravity, where they basically invented the technology to upload video and then serve it out. Right. So I would link that to my website, TomGreen.com, completely autonomous of the other website, Mania TV. So, you know, it was some, it was funny shit that happened there because, you know, I, I r- I remember, like, I think back, I go, "I really made a few mistakes." (laughs) You know? Like, I go, I go, "I want all the stuff to be on my website." Right? And then YouTube started. "Oh, what's this? Oh, YouTube. Oh, that's cool. They're s- they're doing a thing out of an apartment in San Francisco." And I remember at one point somebody called me from YouTube and said, "Hey, man. We really like what you're doing with your thing." I'm like, "Oh, that's cool. Cool, man. Yeah, yeah. I'm kinda doing my own thing over here," you know? (laughs) "Yeah, it's cool. I like what you're doing too." And never really kinda connected with them 'cause I thought, I was thinking at the time, "It's gotta all be on your server." Right?

Joe Rogan 9:36 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 9:36 So you have those views. Not thinking, "Okay, we could have it out, spread it, send it out. Just get-"

Joe Rogan 9:40 Right.

Tom Green 9:40 "... the eyeballs on it." So, but it was, it was exciting. It was exciting time.

Joe Rogan 9:44 Everybody thought that, though. I mean, no one could've ever saw what YouTube had been.

Tom Green 9:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:47 Ha- or, or has become.

Tom Green 9:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:49 Mm-hmm. It's cra- what's crazy about YouTube is that there's not another one.

Tom Green 9:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:52 There's just YouTube.

Tom Green 9:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:53 It's like there's Vimeo and a few other, uh, fairly popular video sites.

Tom Green 9:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:58 But it's like the XFL compared to the NFL or something like that.

Tom Green 10:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:02 Not even. The XFL's done, right? Do they just go under? Yeah, done.

Tom Green 10:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:06 Now it's like comparing the two of them, because all those other video things it's like, yeah, you'll get some views, but it's just YouTube, for whatever reason, captured... They, they have the market. It's just-

Tom Green 10:16 It never became MySpace.

Joe Rogan 10:17 But imagine-

Tom Green 10:17 You know, remember your- well, remember YouTube? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:19 ... something as simple as uploading video.

Tom Green 10:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:22 I mean, obviously it's complex, right? Like just the being able to get it onto the website and make sure it streams and all the technical stuff, super complex, but just the concept is pretty simple. You with your phone or video camera, you, you film it, you can upload it. Like real simple. Anybody can do it. And then anybody all of a sudden can get views. Like that is amazing that one company has that locked up.

Tom Green 10:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:45 It's kinda crazy 'cause you would think that, like, boy, that would be something that everybody would wanna get involved in. Look how much money YouTube is making.

Tom Green 10:52 Yeah, I would, I would... I haven't thought about that, but I guess-

Joe Rogan 10:56 Kinda nuts.

Tom Green 10:57 ... the amount of, of advancement that happens every six months in, in technology-

Joe Rogan 11:03 Yeah.

Tom Green 11:03 ... and they've got the funding to be able to stay right on top of it and just make it the strongest platform possibly. I don't know. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 11:09 Well, even Twitter.

Tom Green 11:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:10 Like how'd they do that?

Tom Green 11:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:11 Just like one Twitter.

Tom Green 11:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:13 I mean, there's Facebook.

Tom Green 11:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:15 And I guess people hold discussions on Instagram, but if I read... One of the things that drives me crazy about Instagram is like if I go to your page and I'm reading one of your, uh, captions, someone will say something in response to someone, uh, they're like, "Hey, fuck you dick boy," or whatever.

Tom Green 11:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:29 And then I try to click and find out what they were talking about-

Tom Green 11:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:34 ... and I get to the beginning of the comments. And then I gotta go through all the comments to try to figure this out.

Tom Green 11:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:40 Like why can't I just click?

Tom Green 11:41 So do you do that? You get into the comments and you're, you're, you're, "Who-"

Joe Rogan 11:43 On other people's shit.

Tom Green 11:44 Okay. Not-

Joe Rogan 11:45 Yeah.

Tom Green 11:45 Not your own, though?

Joe Rogan 11:45 No. It's, it doesn't seem like fun. (laughs)

Tom Green 11:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:49 You gotta leave people to talk about you. Like, just go ahead.

Tom Green 11:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:53 If you, even if you really get into it and start reading it, it's like, ugh, good and bad.

Tom Green 11:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:58 Both of them are equally toxic.

Tom Green 11:59 That's pretty-

Joe Rogan 12:00 The good you believe, the bad you're like, "Oh my God, this guy hates me so much."

Tom Green 12:04 It's a pretty good, uh, you know, form of restraint, though, to not be curious and to go read.

Joe Rogan 12:10 Oh, well you're always curious.

Tom Green 12:11 About yourself. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:11 The key, the key is just not giving into it.

Tom Green 12:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:14 It's just, listen, there's a lot of time in a day, but not if you spend it doing stupid shit.

Tom Green 12:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:21 You, those things are not beneficial. Most of them are a waste.

Tom Green 12:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:25 Like most of like, the reading comments-

Tom Green 12:28 Mm.

Joe Rogan 12:28 ... or get- getting into with people. That's the big one, when you see people like, arguing with fans and going-

Tom Green 12:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:33 ... going back and forth. Like, that is, that is a trap. You're only gonna respond to the negative ones, you know?

Tom Green 12:39 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 12:40 I- if you're responding to the positive ones and the negative ones, you know?

Tom Green 12:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:43 People trying to get your attention, some of them don't even mean what they're saying. They're just 15-year-old kids that wanna rile you up, and it's like, is that a way to talk to people?

Tom Green 12:51 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 12:51 The way to talk to people is like this, "Hi, what's up?" Where we're in front of each other. That's how people talk when they're just being around people. This is how we're supposed to talk.

Tom Green 12:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:59 All this other shit is too confusing for us.

Tom Green 13:01 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:02 We don't know how to handle it.

Tom Green 13:03 Yeah, and I've, I've fallen into that trap for sure. Uh, I've gone through sort of cycles of the way I handle comments.

Joe Rogan 13:11 Oh.

Tom Green 13:12 Uh, I've become an indiscrimate blocker, is what I do now. The first sign of negativity is a bmm.

Joe Rogan 13:17 Yeah.

Tom Green 13:17 And I know, I have some people say, "Oh, that's not very democratic." But what I, whatever, the way I look at it is, you create an environment.

Joe Rogan 13:24 Yeah.

Tom Green 13:24 I'm trying to create a positive environment on my social media and, but the problem is, and what you're saying, is making me second guess myself to be honest with you because I know I spend far too much time on that shit.

Joe Rogan 13:35 (laughs)

Tom Green 13:35 And I'm thinking, "Man, I, I really should just not read that stuff."

Joe Rogan 13:39 Time's precious.

Tom Green 13:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:41 It's precious. Even now when people are forced to not work, you could do one of two things, right? You could either drink all day, which a lot of people are doing.

Tom Green 13:49 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:50 (laughs) There's a hilarious video of this guy who's out jogging in his neighborhood just passing by people's recyclables, pointing out all the empty wine bottles and empty vodka bottles, and he just jogs over, "Let's see what this guy's got. Boom, same shit."

Tom Green 14:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:00 "Whiskey, wine, bam, bam, bam." People are just getting lit up. You could do that or you could use this time to get in shape. You could use this time to write out a workout program. You could use this time to start reading books online. Uh, you know, you could, uh, you don't even have to leave your house if you have a Kindle. Just, uh, or, you know, or one of those Barnes & Noble. Is it Barnes & Noble, the Nook? Is that still around? Are Barnes & Nobles still real? They haven't gone under have they?

Tom Green 14:26 They, they have bookstores? They still have books?

Joe Rogan 14:28 I think they have bookstores.

Tom Green 14:28 I don't know if they do. They still have books, huh?

Joe Rogan 14:29 Yeah, they still have bookstores. I've been to them before.

Tom Green 14:31 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:31 Yeah, I've been to them recently now that I'm thinking about it.

Tom Green 14:33 That's the thing after this, that's really gonna, that kind of-

Joe Rogan 14:35 Yeah.

Tom Green 14:35 ... that kind of old media, you know, tangible media-

Joe Rogan 14:39 Mm.

Tom Green 14:39 ... that's really gonna... Because people are getting, losing their old habits now, you know? You know?

Joe Rogan 14:43 It's true.

Tom Green 14:44 Can't go to a bookstore now, you... I'm sure a Kindle and all these things are taking it.

Joe Rogan 14:48 And bookstores were hurting already because of Amazon, 'cause you just order it online. Like-

Tom Green 14:51 Mm.

Joe Rogan 14:51 ... if I want a book it's there tomorrow. You know?

Tom Green 14:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:54 There's something about that, like not having to leave. And now that people are getting used to getting groceries delivered, if you live in a neighborhood that has a grocery store that delivers, you can just order online. They'll send it to your house.

Tom Green 15:04 So I've, I've, like I said, I haven't left my house in five weeks. It's the first time I left.

Joe Rogan 15:09 It's like a Castaway type deal.

Tom Green 15:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:11 Or like a prisoner with an ankle bracelet.

Tom Green 15:12 "Joe, when Joe Rogan calls, you come." "Okay." But, uh, no one else would've gotten me out of my house.

Joe Rogan 15:17 Really?

Tom Green 15:17 Yeah, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 15:18 Oh, thank you.

Tom Green 15:18 Nobody else. Uh, but I was, I was very, uh, you know, I'm honored to be here. I love the show.

Joe Rogan 15:23 I'm honored to have you.

Tom Green 15:24 But, uh, no listen, I, uh, I have gotten good at living, uh, in my house without leaving. Um, I, uh, first of all, one thing that was weird, and I actually find it strange actually, I find this strange. About four weeks before shit went down, right? For whatever reason, it was happening, it was, it was in, like it was in Italy, I think. It was bad over there. I am not by any means a doomsday prepper or anything like that. You know, in fact, I'm the opposite. I, I've always said to myself, "If something went wrong, you know, I'd have like, I don't, I'd have like one day's supply of food or something (laughs) like that in my house." And I went before the rush on the toilet paper, all that stuff, I went and I got nonperishable food. I got sardines. I read articles about what's good protein. I got, you know, beans. I got rice. I got, I stocked up my pantry with stuff. I got about a month's supply of food not thinking that I was actually going to, actually. I mean, I knew it was possible. There was glimmers of it. They were starting to talk about it, but not thinking I was actually going to be locked in my house. And then all of a sudden it happened and-

Joe Rogan 16:37 So you just were being smart. You're like, "Wouldn't it be nice if I did have a month's supply of food?"

Tom Green 16:42 Yeah. I talk about this stuff a lot with my friends, and we're always sort of talking about the possibilities of things. But, you know, you didn't think it was actually gonna happen. So then it happened, so, uh, then I've, I discovered some delivery services that deliver groceries.

Joe Rogan 16:53 Right. But who are the people delivering it and are they healthy?

Tom Green 16:56 So, so here's the thing.

Joe Rogan 16:58 You think about that.

Tom Green 16:59 So yeah, I, I do not interact with them.

Joe Rogan 17:01 Oh, Jesus.

Tom Green 17:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:02 But you touch the stuff that they touched, right?

Tom Green 17:04 Um, well-

Joe Rogan 17:04 What have they been hot chewing all over your bag?

Tom Green 17:06 You know, I mean, again, I, again, again, just, just to be safe I, I did disinfect them and then I take them and put them in, with gloves, with rubber gloves, and put them into a, uh, a, another room. And, uh, I let it sit for three days for the virus to die, and then, uh, then I start eating. Then I start eating.

Joe Rogan 17:23 I wish there was a clear answer to all this.

Tom Green 17:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:27 Or I wish there was a clear solution to all this.

Tom Green 17:30 I tell you, talking to you is making me feel better.

Joe Rogan 17:35 Well, I feel better reading the latest statistics, um, about the mortality rate. I wonder what the actual, there's an infection rate, hospitalization rate, and mortality rate. And what was it, what was the study that was, was it UCLA? Is that what it was? For sure?... and it, it showed a v- a very low fatality rate in comparison to infection. So, that's good news. But the, the bad news is, this, you know, it could still kill a lot of fucking people, and, uh, people that are immune-compromised, people with diabetes, people that are overweight, people with lung problems, people with, uh, cigarette habits, all those. And p- and particularly, one of the nurses was saying, uh, people who were into the Juul, people who smoke, uh, with Juul-

Tom Green 18:15 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:15 ... they said there's a high instance that their, that he personally was seeing of people, um... Was it the he nurse or the she nurse? Hmm. I don't remember which one told me this.

Tom Green 18:27 You know what I was wondering? You remember, like, a s- like, one month before this happened, there, people were having lung issues 'cause of vapes? And that, do you think that was coronavirus?

Joe Rogan 18:37 Sort of. Well, sort of-

Tom Green 18:38 Remember it was a big thing, like, for, like, a week.

Joe Rogan 18:39 W- ... We had that explained to us by Adam-

Tom Green 18:41 And then it's like, "Oh, they're banning vapes." Maybe that was coronavirus.

Joe Rogan 18:43 We had that explained to us by Adam Curry.

Tom Green 18:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:45 It wasn't really what it appeared to be.

Tom Green 18:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:47 What it really was is a concerted effort to conflate two things that were happening. One, these assholes that made, like, really shitty low-level THC vape pens-

Tom Green 18:59 Okay.

Joe Rogan 18:59 ... that got people sick and p- two, uh, s- a couple people died. I forget how many people died. Was it, like, 10 people died? Jamie, something like that? Adam Curry told us the whole story on the podcast. Then, the cigarette companies, or whoever is behind this-

Tom Green 19:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:14 ... tried to get c- all tobacco vapes banned.

Tom Green 19:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:20 And they're trying to ban... W- what are you-

Tom Green 19:23 I was just fixing my shot 'cause I didn't want to be on camera, I didn't want the mic bock- block my face.

Joe Rogan 19:26 But your extra han- hand sanitizer on there?

Tom Green 19:28 My, the touch, I've been ... That's the first thing I've touched-

Joe Rogan 19:30 You're such, you're such a ripper in your wears. Ugh.

Tom Green 19:30 And plus you're ripping. I know, it's, I, one thing about... Sorry. Oh yeah (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 19:33 Um-

Tom Green 19:33 You're grossed out by too much sanitizer.

Joe Rogan 19:36 I am.

Tom Green 19:36 That's good. That's a good thing.

Joe Rogan 19:37 It's poison. It's killing everything, the good and the bad.

Tom Green 19:38 It's s- ... It's sanitizing. It's sanitizing.

Joe Rogan 19:40 But it's not good if you-

Tom Green 19:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:41 Uh, I know a guy who used that stuff all the time, he's getting warts all over his hands now.

Tom Green 19:44 Uh...

Joe Rogan 19:44 'Cause his, uh, his immune system's all fucked up.

Tom Green 19:47 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:47 From sanitizing constantly.

Tom Green 19:48 It's the Carlin bit, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:49 Well, that's really what happens.

Tom Green 19:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:50 Like, you're not supposed to use antibacterial soap.

Tom Green 19:53 Yeah, you need bacteria, yeah, yeah. That's a great bit, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:55 Yeah, like, uh, when we would, uh, in jujitsu, sometimes guys would get, uh, staph infections.

Tom Green 20:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:00 Or ringworm is a big one.

Tom Green 20:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:02 And ringworm, they would use antibacterial soap, and it would wind up fucking up their whole body and they'd wind up getting it more often. Like, they think, "Oh, I'm just using antibacterial soap all the time."

Tom Green 20:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:12 So you're killing all the healthy shit on your, the outside of your skin, and then you wonder why you're getting sick all the time. You wonder why your skin is getting infected.

Tom Green 20:20 Mm-hmm. I'm not like that normally, but it honestly is the first... One of the... Well, actually the, when you made me that coffee earlier?

Joe Rogan 20:27 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 20:28 Whatever that coffee was, which was amazing.

Joe Rogan 20:30 That's the Laird Hamilton stuff.

Tom Green 20:31 Yep.

Joe Rogan 20:31 That's, uh, Black Rifle Coffee mixed with Laird Hamilton's turmeric, uh, th- which is this, uh-

Tom Green 20:38 Some Hawaii surfer coffee.

Joe Rogan 20:40 ... coffee.

Tom Green 20:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:41 Yeah. It was go-

Tom Green 20:41 It was, it was good.

Joe Rogan 20:42 It was basically like curry. Yeah, it's so good, right?

Tom Green 20:43 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 20:44 I didn't know coconut milk, and whoa, it's nice.

Tom Green 20:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:47 Good for you, super healthy. That's the first thing that someone touched-

Tom Green 20:50 Object that I've touched in over a month that someone else had touched (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 20:55 For sure you've definitely touched other things, you just forgot.

Tom Green 20:58 Well, no one's been in my house.

Joe Rogan 20:59 That's true. You haven't left the house at all.

Tom Green 21:01 So, no, I've touched the groceries, but I, I, I disinfect.

Joe Rogan 21:04 Disinfect them first.

Tom Green 21:05 Disinfected, but, so it's... But I, I don't, I don't expect to be like this forever, you know?

Joe Rogan 21:11 Well, that's the question. Like, when do we go back?

Tom Green 21:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:13 Did you see the mayor of Las Vegas?

Tom Green 21:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:15 With Anderson Cooper?

Tom Green 21:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:17 "This is not China."

Tom Green 21:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:18 "This is Las Vegas, Nevada."

Tom Green 21:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:21 (laughs)

Tom Green 21:21 Mm-hmm. So there's a line that, you know, on this end of the spectrum-

Joe Rogan 21:26 (laughs)

Tom Green 21:26 ... it's complete casual, lackadaisical approach to what's going on.

Joe Rogan 21:31 Right.

Tom Green 21:31 There's this end of the spectrum, which is, I guess, me right now, right? Um, and then there's the middle, right, which is more of-

Joe Rogan 21:38 Yeah.

Tom Green 21:39 ... she on the far end, "We're gonna open up Las Vegas, we're gonna have casinos open." When are the casinos gonna open? When are comedies gonna start again? When are we gonna be back on the road telling jokes?

Joe Rogan 21:49 It's a good question, man. I, my most r- ... Everything I've had, I think, has been moved. There was supposed to be some stuff in, uh, May that I was doing in, uh, Des Moines, Iowa, and, um, somewhere else. And that m- that's getting moved, and the only thing that I have scheduled is July in Vegas.

Tom Green 22:07 Yes.

Joe Rogan 22:07 So I'm like, "I don't know if that's real."

Tom Green 22:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:10 That seems so crazy to say that I don't know, here in April, whether or not I'll be able to do a gig in July in Vegas.

Tom Green 22:20 S- ... You have the podcast. You're doing the podcast. You get your adrenaline rush from that. I'm assuming you get an adrenaline rush from this. You get it from standup, of course. Right? Is it weird having an absence of that standup comedy thing? Not just 'cause it's fun to do, but just physically, are you feeling different not getting that onstage energy rush every night-

Joe Rogan 22:40 No, I mean-

Tom Green 22:40 ... at The Comedy Store, every night you go down there, you get that-

Joe Rogan 22:42 ... yes and no. But I know the, he, I know that I can't do anything about it. So I just shut it off.

Tom Green 22:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:47 I'm like, "I'm not gonna think about that."

Tom Green 22:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:49 You can't think about shit that there's nothing you can do about. That'll just drive you mad.

Tom Green 22:53 I heard you talking about that with Donnell Rawlings on the show.

Joe Rogan 22:56 Yeah, it's just kind of like, okay, you can't do standup right now. That's just what it is. It is what it is, but, look, man. If you just stop and think about ... Think about a guy that works at a grocery store, okay?

Tom Green 23:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:05 It's n- not the worst job in the world, but it's fine. Now all of the sudden, he's in a fucking war zone. He's in a viral war zone.

Tom Green 23:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:13 He's gotta hope that some coughing motherfucker doesn't give him a death sentence-

Tom Green 23:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:17 ... while he's, uh, restocking the rice.

Tom Green 23:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:19 Right?

Tom Green 23:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:19 It's a different world.

Tom Green 23:20 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:21 Different world for them.

Tom Green 23:22 I-

Joe Rogan 23:22 For me, what, I just, I can't, I can't go on stage for a while?

Tom Green 23:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:26 Yeah, it's terrible. I feel bad for the comedy clubs, really.

Tom Green 23:28 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 23:28 I feel bad for the waitresses and the waiters-

Tom Green 23:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:31 ... and the, the s- the kitchen staff and the managers and all the people that don't have a paycheck coming in. I feel bad for them.

Tom Green 23:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:37 And I'm happy to do a ton of free shows. When we come back, um, I'll just do, do shows and donate all the money to The Comedy Store or the Improv or whoever. Happy to help.

Tom Green 23:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:49 But, um, I think that w-... it is, uh, e- and for us in particular, it's an inconvenient thing.

Tom Green 23:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:56 But it's not life-threatening.

Tom Green 23:57 No.

Joe Rogan 23:57 This is a life-threatening time for some people. For nurses and hospital workers, it's a life-threatening time. For that Chicago bus driver, did you see that video of the bus driver?

Tom Green 24:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:06 He was telling people, "Please be courteous, don't be coughing in the middle of a pandemic," and then, uh, he's dead a few days later.

Tom Green 24:10 Tragic, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:11 Horrific, right?

Tom Green 24:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:13 That's, this is, see, th- f- this is why this disease is so fucked up. It just seems like for some people it's a death sentence.

Tom Green 24:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:23 And then for other people, it's nothing, and that just doesn't make any sense to me. It, it just, I'm, clearly I'm not a doctor, and clearly this is a new virus, but it's just so weird that something could be asymptomatic for a huge amount of people, b- but some people get it and they barely even notice it. They just feel a little bit of fatigue. Some people get a little bit of a cough for a couple of days and then nothing, and other people are dead. Like, it's nuts. It doesn't, it doesn't compute in my head. Like, other things could, you know what I'm saying? Like, it doesn't make sense.

Tom Green 24:53 So have you ever been seriously ill?

Joe Rogan 24:55 Yes.

Tom Green 24:55 Okay.

Joe Rogan 24:55 I've had the flu, but I mean like-

Tom Green 24:58 So-

Joe Rogan 24:58 ... I- I'm a cancer survivor.

Tom Green 24:59 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 25:00 So to me, not putting, not saying the flu is not seriously ill, that's flu.

Tom Green 25:05 No, no you're right.

Joe Rogan 25:05 You can die from the flu, right? You can die from the flu. We know this. But, so when I got cancer, my show was on MTV. Things were going great, everything was going great, you know? I got my show on MTV, people were watching. I'd been doing it on Public Access Canada for years, six years I'd been working away, making my own show, 'cause, you know, no one's ever gonna give me a friggin' show so I'll make my own show, right? Sort of, I did that before the web, I did that first, right? And that's how I, I always thought like that, you know? All of a sudden I'm on MTV, everything's great. Oh, oh, um, feeling a little funny down there. Fortunately, I went to the doctor, right? Which a lot of young people who get testicular cancer, thank you very much, w- don't go to the doctor right away, so it spreads- Mm.

Tom Green 25:45 ... and they die, right? I went to the doctor. I was lucky, I went to the doctor. But for me, having that happen at that time was so bizarre just in the c- you know, I- I sometimes think if I'd gotten, if I had gotten that testicular cancer one year earlier, you know, MTV wouldn't have picked up the show yet. So I would've been in Canada dealing with it, and then probably they wouldn't have picked up the show and my life would be completely different. That sort of change, th- and sort of the, the, the, you know, I don't believe there's coincidences, sometimes I don't believe in coincidences, sometimes I do. I flip-flop on that. But, but, uh, I, I basically, because of that, what that sort of made me realize is that, like, life's random, it's not fair, shit can happen. Even if it is unlikely, it might happen to me. And because of that, having dealt with that, and it just sucked man, it sucked having cancer. Like, like, 'cause it wasn't just about, like, you know, removing my right testicle, right? You know, 'cause, you know, that's, that- that sucks enough you think about it but, you know, but it's fine. I got the left one, it's fine. It's the middle one now. It's fine, it's doing good. But, uh... I'm doing a bit, but no, but the thing is-

Joe Rogan 26:58 (laughs)

Tom Green 26:58 ... they also did a lymph node dissection, they cut me open, it was painful. I was in the hospital for eight, six, eight weeks or six weeks.

Joe Rogan 27:04 Wow.

Tom Green 27:05 Took, took years to recover from that physically, like pain, uh, you know, nerve damage, just sl- you know, slowing down your body and so I just go, "I don't want to go through that again." Like, I just, I- I'm, I'm happy to just stay in my house right now, cut, cut all, you know, cut, cut, you know, just completely, like, improve my odds. I don't really have anything to do right now anyways. You know? I, um, not touring. I have a lot of stuff that I love doing in my house. I'm working on my computer, on Pro Tools. I like making music, like making hip hop beats and stuff, you know, but I've, for years I've had these little details in that Pro Tools program that I've not unlocked, little mysteries, 'cause I haven't had time to go and figure out how to mix and do, like, compression and do all the little things that you do, so I'm, like, going down that rabbit hole. I got my sound engineer calling me and I'm, like, doing online, like, doing on FaceTime, like, Pro Tools lessons and I'm getting, I'm having fun with it and I'm thinking, "Okay, I'm doing something with myself right now that is positive. I'm enjoying that and I'm trying to avoid, you know, being hospitalized again 'cause I hate being in the hospital. It sucks."

Joe Rogan 28:20 Yeah, makes sense.

Tom Green 28:21 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:22 Um, are you doing anything differently in terms of how you eat or healthwise or nutrients or taking care of your immune system?

Tom Green 28:32 Y- yeah. Yes, I, uh, well, I heard you say zinc, uh, on the show, and I- I-

Joe Rogan 28:36 Don't listen to me, first of all.

Tom Green 28:38 All right. But-

Joe Rogan 28:38 If you're getting your medical advice from me... (laughs)

Tom Green 28:40 Well, no, I- I had already had the zinc, I- w- but that confirmed that I was taking zinc, so I was taking zinc. I've been taking-

Joe Rogan 28:45 Yes. There's a lot of articles you should read on it, but yeah, zinc is very good particularly.

Tom Green 28:48 Taking vitamins, multivitamins, vitamins, uh, and then, uh, honestly, I'm not drinking as much.

Joe Rogan 28:56 You know what's unfortunate? YouTube said that they're gonna take down anything that doesn't coincide with the World Health Organization's ruling on, you know, what to do about this pandemic.

Tom Green 29:07 What do you mean?

Joe Rogan 29:07 They're, they're, YouTube is taking down things and, uh, and I don't know how specific they're gonna be about this, but they were saying alternate therapies like vitamin C and things along those lines, um, which is kind of unfortunate.

Tom Green 29:21 Mm.

Joe Rogan 29:21 Because, like, uh, unless they're not being that strict about it because I would say if someone was saying how do you... If somebody made a video, someone who's a nutrition expert, and they made a video, "How to Protect Your Immo- Immune System from COVID-19," um, or maybe just, "Protect your immune system during the time of COVID-19." So I'm not even saying that it's protecting it from that, but how to, how to boost up your immune system in this very dangerous time in terms of viral infections. Well, there's, there are strategies. There's things you can do like get more sleep, drink more water, eat healthier-

Tom Green 29:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:57 ... keep your body healthy with nutrients-

Tom Green 29:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:59 ... and making sure you're eating clean-

Tom Green 30:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:01 ... and don't drink alcohol and don't smoke cigarettes. If you just do those things, like, this is real, like, this has actually been proven.

Tom Green 30:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:08 So, I don't know what you can get away with saying and what you can't get away with saying, but you- you can't always just hope that doctors come up with a cure. Because yes, the doctors are gonna come up with a cure, and yes, we need them to do that. But you can't always think that medicine is gonna fix you and you could just keep doing what you've always been doing that got you sick in the first place. Because a lot of times when you get sick, it has to do with how you've been living.

Tom Green 30:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:32 Not always, but a lot of times. Like, is your immune system already compromised or are you already weak? Are you beating up your body and abusing it and then boom, then you catch a cold.

Tom Green 30:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:41 We all know that's true. So, advice on how to strengthen your immune systems is it's important for everybody. Now, if you want people to say, "Don't say that this is a cure for COVID-19, it's gonna keep you from getting COVID-19." Fine, great. But-

Tom Green 30:56 So what, like YouTube is gonna take a video down that says, uh-

Joe Rogan 30:58 I want... This is what I'm saying, like if you say-

Tom Green 31:00 ... "If you take a lot of vitamins, don't, uh, don't, don't drink alcohol." Or, or-

Joe Rogan 31:03 During the time, if- if it has to do with coronavirus and it's contrary or not in what the World Health Organization has recommended-

Tom Green 31:10 Yeah, which changes every two weeks.

Joe Rogan 31:12 Well, they fucked up.

Tom Green 31:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:13 I mean, there's... There- there was a-

Tom Green 31:14 Wear masks, don't wear masks, wear masks, don't wear masks, good to wear a mask, bad to wear a mask. What? What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 31:18 Somebody posted it on their Twitter the other day-

Tom Green 31:21 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:21 ... um, from... It might have been Donald Trump Jr., but it showed World Health Or... No, it was on Instagram. World Health Organization, a tweet from them from, it was, I guess it was... What time it was last year? I think it was last y- I think it was either December or maybe the beginning of this year, but they were saying that the World Health Organization says that it cannot be contracted from person to person.

Tom Green 31:44 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:44 This is a tweet that they put out.

Tom Green 31:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:46 So you can't say-

Tom Green 31:48 How the hell do you get it then?

Joe Rogan 31:49 Well, they didn't know then. They-

Tom Green 31:50 Directly from a pangolin. Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:52 Yeah. You have to be there. So don't worry about it.

Tom Green 31:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:55 Th- Th- Their systems, what they were getting Chinese propaganda.

Tom Green 31:57 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:57 They were spreading it. But the World Health Organization, when they were posting it, that was... That's absolutely wrong. We all know that's absolutely wrong. So if you say you have to listen to what the World Health Organization says, well, they've been wrong before.

Tom Green 32:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:10 Right? And I- I wanna know how much they really know about nutrition, how much do they really know about health and fitness. Like, I'm looking at these people, they don't look like the healthiest humans in the world.

Tom Green 32:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:19 Just 'cause someone's a scientist-

Tom Green 32:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:21 ... you know what I'm saying?

Tom Green 32:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:21 It doesn't mean they're taking care of their own body.

Tom Green 32:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:24 That's a problem.

Tom Green 32:24 No, he's a smart guy, but he might not work out and, uh...

Joe Rogan 32:28 I've talked to a lot of really brilliant people, including doctors-

Tom Green 32:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:31 ... that eat shitty food and don't really work out.

Tom Green 32:34 So I-

Joe Rogan 32:34 It's crazy.

Tom Green 32:35 I realized I didn't have a lot of vegetables, so I ordered, uh, you know, uh, on Amazon, which I'd never used Amazon, by the way.

Joe Rogan 32:42 Amazon Fresh?

Tom Green 32:43 Uh, ac- actually-

Joe Rogan 32:44 Is that what it's called?

Tom Green 32:44 Yeah. They were taking too long to deliver, actually. They, they actually aren't, weren't even delivering when I ordered this. But there's, there's other stuff on Amazon that's not Amazon Fresh. Uh, canned corn, okay?

Joe Rogan 32:54 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 32:54 I ordered like a couple of dozen cans of corn. So I have that and I, sometimes I'll mix that in. I've been cooking.

Joe Rogan 32:59 Hmm.

Tom Green 32:59 So to stay healthy, I've been cooking.

Joe Rogan 33:00 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 33:01 I like to cook anyways. I like to cook anyways.

Joe Rogan 33:03 I believe you.

Tom Green 33:04 I do cook.

Joe Rogan 33:04 You said that twice like you're trying to convince me.

Tom Green 33:06 Yeah, yeah. 'Cause I, it seems like it might not be a believable thing.

Joe Rogan 33:08 (laughs)

Tom Green 33:09 But I do like to cook. And-

Joe Rogan 33:10 Why would you be believable?

Tom Green 33:11 Uh, I don't know. It just seems... I just-

Joe Rogan 33:13 But you seem like a guy who would cook.

Tom Green 33:14 I'm surprised by it, so I figured others might be, but...

Joe Rogan 33:16 But not at all.

Tom Green 33:17 Yeah. I like to cook. Uh, but I'm not an ex- I just kinda, I kind of have a sense for it. I know I can usually tell that I'm gonna like it just by the smells of things. And so I'll like... So I have canned corn. I've been cooking a lot of pasta. I've been... You know, I have, I have stuff... I do... I go live on my Instagram story, I do a little cooking show, sort of. I mean, it's not... I'm not saying it's a cooking show, but I do. Whenever I cook, I do a little Instagram story. I got these, uh, you know, the San Marzano tomatoes, okay?

Joe Rogan 33:47 What are those?

Tom Green 33:47 They're just like a can of tomatoes, but they're cans of peeled tomatoes.

Joe Rogan 33:51 Oh.

Tom Green 33:52 So they're delicious tomatoes, but they last forever because they're cans.

Joe Rogan 33:56 Right.

Tom Green 33:56 So you can have a closet full of them and they'll last forever and you'll always have tomatoes. Then I've got the, uh, the stuff, when I make pasta it's called, um, like Ragu, okay? Or Prego sauce. When I-

Joe Rogan 34:08 Crazy. That's exotic.

Tom Green 34:09 Yeah, when I make sauce. But I add the, the tomatoes to it, thicken it up, throw some canned mushrooms in there.

Joe Rogan 34:15 Why are you buying Ragu tomato sauce?

Tom Green 34:17 It's just to have it.

Joe Rogan 34:18 Don't do it.

Tom Green 34:19 No?

Joe Rogan 34:19 No.

Tom Green 34:21 No. It's just to have it because in case of, uh, you know, in case like, you know, system is... If I can't get food for a while, I've got some backup food, you know?

Joe Rogan 34:31 Mmm.

Tom Green 34:32 Because you remember in the first few weeks of this, people were kind of thinking, "Is everything going to shut down?" Right? You know, so I made sure I had some canned food, you know, like they said.

Joe Rogan 34:41 Right. But why Ragu? There's other brands you can get there.

Tom Green 34:45 Uh, yeah. Well, I have Prego too. I got the Rag- the Re- the Ragu is the Alfredo sauce and the Prego is the marinara sauce.

Joe Rogan 34:51 Mmm.

Tom Green 34:51 But what I'm saying is, my cooking, my personal recipe for spaghetti, don't just, doesn't just heat up the Ragu, put in some canned tomatoes in it, way better.

Joe Rogan 35:00 Okay.

Tom Green 35:01 So I'm getting... I'm... You know, but I wouldn't normally do that. I wouldn't normally have canned corn. I wouldn't normally think about having vegetables. I'm the kind of person that I'll eat rice and I'll eat-

Joe Rogan 35:09 So do you think you had a premonition or do you think you saw what was going on in China and you were like, "You know what? It would be a good move to have a month's worth of food here?"

Tom Green 35:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:18 Like, it's not like some sort of a superstitious thing. You don't feel like, like the universe was sending you a signal and you needed to go buy corn?

Tom Green 35:25 Well, uh, I watched one of your shows recently where you're talking about, uh... I love this episode where you're talking about, are we living in a simulation?

Joe Rogan 35:35 Yes.

Tom Green 35:35 Okay. So I was, um... You know, I love talking about this stuff. You know, it doesn't mean that I'm... "Oh, I think we're living in a simulation. Oh, I think that we, you know, our doomsday is coming." Not necessarily. But I do love the thought experiment of talking about it and thinking about it. And so after I was watching that show, your show, I was really thinking about it a lot. I had a long conversation with my mom about how, "You know, we could be living in a simulation, you know." "What do you mean?" "Well, I mean, you know, the computers are getting so fast. I mean, they're going to be able to program computers that have conscious..." You know, that little...... character on a computer might be able to start to think, and then it might start to be able to self-determine, and then we could just be an advanced version of that, and how would we ever know? And my mom's sitting there going like, "No, what are you talking about?" And then I had a pretty long day of talking about this with my mom and trying to convince her not that we're living in a simulation, but that it's possible we could be living in a simulation. My mother wasn't really buying it, right?

Joe Rogan 36:30 (laughs)

Tom Green 36:30 And then two weeks later, this happens, and I'm thinking, "Is this, like, 'cause we're living in a simulation?" You know, 'cause if you were living in a simulation, and then you started talking about it-

Joe Rogan 36:40 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 36:40 ... and then the creator of the simulation heard that, he might start a pandemic, you know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:45 Maybe the problem is the term simulation.

Tom Green 36:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:49 Because if you're living in a simulation-

Tom Green 36:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:52 ... then it becomes your whole life.

Tom Green 36:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:53 Like, is that simulated anymore? Like, what is that? Like, maybe it's always been a simulation.

Tom Green 36:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:00 Maybe if you stop and think about events that take place that ultimately all seem to be leading towards events, right? When, when you think about the invention of electricity, and then the, uh, electronics of the '80s and the '90s that led to everyone having a home computer, that led to everybody having a computer in your pocket that listens to everything you say, and takes pictures, and uploads video, and just keeps getting more and more advanced, and more and more intertwined with you being a person until one day you enter it and you become a part of it. And it, they create something inside the world of computers that's far more compelling than the regular world itself. But maybe that's just the natural course of progression, and that's where life is going anyway.

Tom Green 37:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:45 Like, may- maybe that's just a new kind of life, a new dimension of life, in that all these things just come about through that. They come about through either natural causes, like, you know, stars supernoving, and, you know, everything coalesces and things become... Carbon-based life forms emerge, and, and-

Tom Green 38:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:04 ... and life becomes what it is in 2020. Like, or those things figure out how to open up new realities.

Tom Green 38:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:12 And that what a simulation would be would just be another reality.

Tom Green 38:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:16 That we were created by some person doing the exact same thing that we're doing right now.

Tom Green 38:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:23 That one day, we get to the point where technology's so spectacularly advanced that you could have a new world that's indiscernible. Like, you can't tell that it's not real.

Tom Green 38:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:37 It's impossible to tell. You are in that world now-

Tom Green 38:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:40 ... and that's where you exist.

Tom Green 38:41 That's what I was trying to convince my mother that we might actually be in. She-

Joe Rogan 38:44 It's possible.

Tom Green 38:45 She wasn't buying it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:45 Dude, Elon Musk thinks that.

Tom Green 38:47 (laughs) Like-

Joe Rogan 38:47 Elon Musk thinks that-

Tom Green 38:48 I know, it's-

Joe Rogan 38:48 ... and he freaks me out.

Tom Green 38:49 I know. I saw that on, on your show, too, and-

Joe Rogan 38:52 He's one of those... Have you ever talked to him?

Tom Green 38:53 No, no, but-

Joe Rogan 38:54 Look him in his eyes, you're like, "What's, what's going on there, man?"

Tom Green 38:57 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:57 Some extra shit's happening in there.

Tom Green 38:59 Yeah. 'Cause when you got a guy that intelligent and he's saying there's a 1% chance or one in a billion chance that we're not living in a simulation, you think, "Mm, okay, is he just messing with me, or, uh..." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:12 What was it, uh... What was the gentleman's name that I was having that discussion with? Bostrom? Bostrom. Nick Bostrom?

Tom Green 39:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:18 Yeah.

Tom Green 39:18 At, uh, at Social Life-

Joe Rogan 39:19 Yeah, that-

Tom Green 39:19 ... I was watching you.

Joe Rogan 39:20 ... that was a very complicated discussion.

Tom Green 39:21 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 39:22 We were just talking about probability theory.

Tom Green 39:23 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 39:24 Like, the probability of us having e-, uh, uh, living life inside of a simulation-

Tom Green 39:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:29 ... is actually higher.

Tom Green 39:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:30 'Cause ultimately we're gonna come up with a simulation someday.

Tom Green 39:33 And then when you talk about this stuff enough, and when you watch your show, which I do, and you listen to these complex conversations, right? And you start thinking about it, and then you start thinking about all the possibilities of what could happen, and then the, this pandeca- pandemic happens. And then, you know... You know, I still live in the same place where I did the show, you know. It's like, uh, I, I started seeing... You know, I'm here in Los Angeles. You saw them, too. All of a sudden you're seeing Black Hawk helicopters going by every day.

Joe Rogan 40:00 Dun, dun, dun.

Tom Green 40:01 Right?

Joe Rogan 40:02 (humming)

Tom Green 40:02 You're seeing Apache helicopters going by. You're seeing, uh, um, uh, the Ospreys. You see the Ospreys going by every day in the first week of this. And you're thinking, "What's going on, man?"

Joe Rogan 40:13 Do you watch The Walking Dead?

Tom Green 40:14 You know, I, I haven't watched it.

Joe Rogan 40:16 Let me tell you something-

Tom Green 40:16 I know that's crazy-

Joe Rogan 40:17 The Walk- The Walking Dead, the first few seasons-

Tom Green 40:18 ... I'm gonna hear, I'm gonna hear about it now. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:20 ... were awesome. The first few seasons were awesome, but maybe even better is the first season of the LA version of The Walking Dead. What's that one called? Uh, something like that. Uh, something like that. The first, the first couple episodes of that are spectacular.

Tom Green 40:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:34 It gets... The first season's pretty good, but it's... They, they did it very differently than the other Walking Dead. But, you know, it just, like, where it, people... It takes a while for people to realize what the fuck is happening.

Tom Green 40:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:43 And-

Tom Green 40:43 It sort of felt like... Is that time?

Joe Rogan 40:45 Yeah.

Tom Green 40:46 The beginning, the beginning.

Joe Rogan 40:47 Oh yeah, man. In the beginning, it felt touch and go. When everybody was hoarding all the toothp- toilet paper-

Tom Green 40:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:52 ... and people were fighting.

Tom Green 40:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:53 Like, whoa, this... And everyone wants a gun. The gun lines were giant.

Tom Green 40:57 Right. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:58 The lines outside the gun stores were creepy. (laughs)

Tom Green 41:01 Yeah, yeah. Were you in one of those lines or-

Joe Rogan 41:04 No, no, I have guns.

Tom Green 41:04 ... you didn't need to be- Yeah, sure you do.

Joe Rogan 41:05 Yeah, I'm, uh, I'm not waiting in line.

Tom Green 41:08 I have a theory about the toilet paper. Maybe it's obvious, but, but I don't know. Maybe it's not obvious. I don't know. So, toilet paper is big.

Joe Rogan 41:17 Yes.

Tom Green 41:18 So, because it's big, takes up a lot of shelf space, because it takes up a lot of... Maybe everyone's talked about this already, but ta- takes up a lot of shelf space. So, all of a sudden everybody went to the grocery store at the same time, and there's probably far less toilet paper in the to- at the grocery store than it would appear just because it takes an entire aisle 'cause it's big. So, everybody wa- bought one...... piece of, m- package of toilet paper on the first day. It was instantly all gone. It's instantly an entire empty aisle, which is dramatic looking.

Joe Rogan 41:48 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 41:49 And it was the first sign of shelves being cleared and it was, the toilet paper was gone, and everyone went on their fucking phones, "There's, there's, there's, wasn't a run of toilet paper." And all of a sudden, that compounded it exponentially, and now everyone's going for the toilet paper when they don't need to be going for the toilet paper. And, uh, we had the great toilet paper shortage of 2020, so...

Joe Rogan 42:08 This is the type of investigative reporting you do when you're alone-

Tom Green 42:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:11 ... for five weeks. Just go, "Hmm."

Tom Green 42:13 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:13 You're breaking it down. A-ha!

Tom Green 42:15 Uh-huh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:15 The Columbo of toilet paper.

Tom Green 42:17 Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 42:17 That makes 100% sense.

Tom Green 42:19 'Cause it's big.

Joe Rogan 42:19 It's big.

Tom Green 42:20 E- Everyone grabbed a can of corn.

Joe Rogan 42:21 Yes.

Tom Green 42:21 Everyone grabbed a can of beans. But it did create an entire empty aisle that then got people thinking, talking, and, and, and tweeting and typing and Instagramming, so...

Joe Rogan 42:28 It's also something dumb people think about a lot, shitting. Just, mm... (blows raspberry)

Tom Green 42:33 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:33 It's, you know-

Tom Green 42:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:35 That's the biggest- (laughs)

Tom Green 42:35 You also, you don't, yeah, you don't wanna not be able to wipe your ass for, for...

Joe Rogan 42:38 Yeah. But it's out of all the things you need.

Tom Green 42:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:39 Like, do you understand what it's like when shit goes down? Get a rag and a bucket of water, okay?

Tom Green 42:43 Right. Right.

Joe Rogan 42:44 Wa- wash your ass with a washcloth.

Tom Green 42:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:46 'Cause shit is going down.

Tom Green 42:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:48 All right? Y- That's the last thing you need to worry about-

Tom Green 42:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:50 ... is toilet paper. You need to worry about consuming food and staying alive.

Tom Green 42:54 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:55 Some people don't think it's ever gonna get to that, and those are the ones that stock up on toilet paper.

Tom Green 42:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:59 The ones who buy, like, rice and beans and stuff like that, those are the p- people that are planning. They're legitimately planning ahead. You wanna stay alive.

Tom Green 43:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:07 Wipe your ass.

Tom Green 43:07 They say, you know, that's right.

Joe Rogan 43:09 Wipe your... Use a hose.

Tom Green 43:09 Beans, corn, and, uh, rice is a... That's what I read-

Joe Rogan 43:13 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 43:13 ... was a subsist... Enough, enough vitamins and everything you need, so...

Joe Rogan 43:17 Sure. You don't get enough protein that way, but you get some from beans, but-

Tom Green 43:20 Oh, really? Okay.

Joe Rogan 43:20 Yeah. It's just not as available. It's not as bioavailable as it is in other foods.

Tom Green 43:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So-

Joe Rogan 43:26 You can get some protein. You just gotta eat a lot.

Tom Green 43:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:29 It's not as complete as some forms of protein.

Tom Green 43:33 So how have you been, uh, enjoying doing the podcast since this started? Obviously, becomes a big subject of conversation, right? Uh, do you, do you sometimes not wanna talk about it anymore? I mean, we could... Do you, do you, do, did you... When your guests come in, is everyone always talking about the pandemic and what the-

Joe Rogan 43:51 Don't read them, man.

Tom Green 43:53 ... worry about?

Joe Rogan 43:53 I wanna just talk to you.

Tom Green 43:54 You just go with the flow.

Joe Rogan 43:54 Yeah. We're just having a conversation.

Tom Green 43:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:56 Sometimes it's repetitive, unfortunately.

Tom Green 43:58 Yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 43:58 Because the people that are listening in, they listen to me having conversations with people that haven't heard the other conversations.

Tom Green 44:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:03 And we wind up talking about the same shit.

Tom Green 44:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:05 But that's... It seems like, uh, as the more I think about doing it, the best way to do it is just talk to people. Just have a talk. Just talk.

Tom Green 44:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:14 Just think about what you would... How would you normally talk?

Tom Green 44:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:17 You'd have to talk about this.

Tom Green 44:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:18 If I didn't see my friend Tom Green in a long time-

Tom Green 44:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:20 ... then all of a sudden we're here.

Tom Green 44:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:22 And like, "Bro, what the fuck is going on?" And w- we're just gonna ignore it?

Tom Green 44:25 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 44:25 'Cause really, we only talked for like a... There was a couple times we were having conversations out there where we were like, "Gotta save it. Save it, save it, save it, save it, save it."

Tom Green 44:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:32 Because, uh, I haven't seen you in a while.

Tom Green 44:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:34 But gotta talk about it.

Tom Green 44:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:37 Man, we're living in madness.

Tom Green 44:38 It's a weird thing when you talk about something in the hallway. I told you this story-

Joe Rogan 44:41 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 44:41 ... but I'll tell you now. Now I'm doing, now I'm doing what I said I didn't wanna do.

Joe Rogan 44:44 Do it. Please do it.

Tom Green 44:44 But Ed McMahon-

Joe Rogan 44:45 Yes.

Tom Green 44:45 ... used to come up and do my web show that, that we were talking about. And, you know, Johnny Carson's sidekick. I never got to meet Johnny Carson, but I, I got to meet Ed McMahon.

Joe Rogan 44:54 That's pretty dope that you met Ed McMahon.

Tom Green 44:56 Yeah. We became friendly. He came and did it all the time. He did it like-

Joe Rogan 44:59 Really?

Tom Green 45:00 I think he did like four times or something.

Joe Rogan 45:02 Wow.

Tom Green 45:02 'Cause he... I think he just... You know, I had a curtain (laughs) . He might... I had a cur-... I had a shiny curtain.

Joe Rogan 45:08 Yeah.

Tom Green 45:08 I had a desk. I had the, the desk that you... And I just think he felt like it was fun for him. No pressure. We're doing a little kind of make-believe tonight show or whatever.

Joe Rogan 45:18 That's awesome, man.

Tom Green 45:18 And he'd come up, and I was just so overjoyed that he was there. And we'd stand in the hallway, and I'd start talking to him. And he'd say... I could tell he'd get quiet. He was never quiet on the show, but he'd get quiet before the show. And I was like, "Is he, is he not in a good mood?" The first couple times. And he said, "Don't leave it in the hallway, Tom."

Joe Rogan 45:37 (laughs)

Tom Green 45:37 "Don't leave it in the hallway." And I realized, oh, he doesn't wanna have the same conversation again. And it made it a lot easier for me, as the host of the show in my living room, because then I didn't feel obligated to talk to him either. And we just sat there in silence for half an hour until the show started.

Joe Rogan 45:54 We fucked that up a bunch of times-

Tom Green 45:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:56 ... on this podcast.

Tom Green 45:57 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:57 Not, not just you and I. I mean-

Tom Green 45:59 Oh, yeah. I was trying to kinda talk about things that weren't gonna come up, like this.

Joe Rogan 46:02 I mean, like the early days of the podcast-

Tom Green 46:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:04 ... sometimes before we ever got-

Tom Green 46:05 Oh.

Joe Rogan 46:05 ... the show started-

Tom Green 46:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:06 ... we had talked about all the coolest shit.

Tom Green 46:07 Yeah. N-

Joe Rogan 46:08 And then like, "Fuck, what were we just talking about?"

Tom Green 46:10 N-

Joe Rogan 46:10 "Oh, I forgot, man." Because you were stumped.

Tom Green 46:12 And then you're talking about it again, and you-

Joe Rogan 46:14 (laughs)

Tom Green 46:14 And you know you're talking about it again, and they know. And you're sort of then you're trying to pretend-

Joe Rogan 46:17 Yes.

Tom Green 46:17 ... that you haven't heard it before. And you're kinda doing this sort of-

Joe Rogan 46:20 Yes.

Tom Green 46:20 ... sort of... Can't really force the laugh, but you do. And then it doesn't feel right.

Joe Rogan 46:24 Awkward.

Tom Green 46:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:26 Yeah.

Tom Green 46:26 Yeah. But, uh, you know, I mean, I, I love... I l- I love that. I love the little, the little... I love the rhythm to the, these kinds of conversations. That's something that I really love. You know? Like, I've, you know... As you know, I love doing what you, you do. I love doing this. I love talking to people. I love creating a, a, you know, whether it's an interview or a conversation. I love listening to people and just waiting and feeling that rhythm of it. It's something that's very interesting to me, which took a long time to figure out. And that's what's kind of exciting about, you know, doing this stuff, is you do learn as you do these shows. And where else would you ever have the opportunity in the history of broadcasting, right, to have built your own studio and go, "Oh, I'm, I'm gonna do..." You know? What do you how, how many thousand shows have you done now? "I'm gonna do 1,000 shows." Right? I mean, you've got more, you know, time as a interviewer than anyone, like, in history, other than the few handful of people that had shows that didn't get canceled, right? Everyone else, they got a chance to do a talk show, they got to do it for a few weeks or a few months or a few years, and then they get canceled.

Joe Rogan 47:32 Well, there's radio guys.

Tom Green 47:33 Radio.

Joe Rogan 47:34 Radio guys have been doing it forever.

Tom Green 47:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:35 Like Stern.

Tom Green 47:36 Mm-hmm. Yes.

Joe Rogan 47:36 Way, way, way more people talk-

Tom Green 47:37 Yeah. You're in a... That's what I'm saying, you know, you're in that, that cat- category of people where you've got 10,000 hours of, of, of, of interviewing time, you know?

Joe Rogan 47:44 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 47:45 It's pretty, pretty, pretty awesome.

Joe Rogan 47:46 It's pretty weird.

Tom Green 47:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:48 It's not 10,000 hours, but it's-

Tom Green 47:49 Yeah. It's thou- how many thousand now? It's like 1,000 something or?

Joe Rogan 47:51 Three... 1,000 sh- 1,500 shows.

Tom Green 47:54 1,500 shows.

Joe Rogan 47:55 And the longest ones are like-... well, there's a few five-hour ones in there. There's a Kevin Smith one, a couple of them that were, like, four or five hours. Most of them are three or under.

Tom Green 48:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:04 Yeah.

Tom Green 48:05 Was it, in the early days of it, okay, when you were doing it in your house, how long did you love it being in the house? And then at what point did it start to be like, "I'm gonna... I don't wanna do this in my house anymore?"

Joe Rogan 48:18 Well, when I was bringing over people that I didn't know-

Tom Green 48:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:21 ... then I was like, "This just feels awkward-"

Tom Green 48:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:23 "... bringing, bringing them to my house."

Tom Green 48:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:25 It just feels like... It also feels like I was, uh, you know, I... It wasn't the right setup. I wanted a... I was like, "Well, if I'm doing this all the time, I should have, like, a better setup."

Tom Green 48:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:36 I should figure out how to do this better. So for a while, Red Band set up at The Icehouse and we did it there, but that-

Tom Green 48:41 We just did a show together, Red Band and I, we did a weekend at San Diego at the, at the American Comedy Company, right, like right before this.

Joe Rogan 48:48 That's a great spot.

Tom Green 48:48 Just a few hours ago, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:49 I love that spot.

Tom Green 48:50 So Red Band. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:50 I love San Diego. San Diego's-

Tom Green 48:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:52 ... an awesome spot for comedy too.

Tom Green 48:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:54 Um, so and then, um, I got a place, uh, near here that was smaller, and then I was like, "Okay, I need to... I wanna build something crazy."

Tom Green 49:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:03 "I wanna build something where it's like, what would I do if I was me?" You know, like, you feel like, "Oh, if I was Tom Green, I would set up a fucking internet studio in my house." Well, if I was Joe Rogan, what would I do?

Tom Green 49:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:12 I would... Yeah, I would... I should have all the shit that I want, like a gym and a, you know, float tank, sauna.

Tom Green 49:19 That sounds incredible.

Joe Rogan 49:20 That's, um, that's the most fun part about this place-

Tom Green 49:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:24 ... is that, like... But you could never have a place like this if you had, like, a real company behind you. You know what I mean? Like, if you had... If you were an employee, like Showtime-

Tom Green 49:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:32 ... if Showtime put some Tom Green show together and you're like, "Oh, so I want, I want an indoor archery range." Like, "Listen, we can't do that."

Tom Green 49:39 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:39 You can't. You're gonna kill somebody.

Tom Green 49:40 Uh, yeah, a crossbow in the, in the studio? No, maybe not.

Joe Rogan 49:42 You can't do that.

Tom Green 49:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:43 Well, my son wants to set up a gym. I go, "Hold on. We need everyone to fi- sign a waiver. You're gonna enter this gym, you're lifting weights."

Tom Green 49:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:49 "This is crazy. Let me talk to the lawyers. Look, Tom, the, the, the gym has to be in a separate building."

Tom Green 49:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:55 "You have to have key cards to get into it and everyone has to sign-"

Tom Green 49:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:59 "... a release."

Tom Green 50:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:00 (sighs)

Tom Green 50:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:00 You would never be able to put whatever you want on the walls, you wouldn't be able to. It's, it wouldn't be the same. And that's-

Tom Green 50:06 And then there's always the looming possibility of it all being taken away, it-

Joe Rogan 50:09 That's what we were talking about-

Tom Green 50:10 ... at somebody's whim.

Joe Rogan 50:10 ... on your show.

Tom Green 50:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:11 That was that conversation in 2007.

Tom Green 50:13 But I just, I just put up the, the, the, the, you know, the, the pictures and-

Joe Rogan 50:17 Sorry, pulling the plug on it, Tom.

Tom Green 50:18 Yeah, yeah. What? But, uh, we just b- bought all the new furniture.

Joe Rogan 50:21 You heard him say dyke.

Tom Green 50:22 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:22 You said it. It's all over!

Tom Green 50:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:26 You called, uh, some lovely woman a dyke.

Tom Green 50:28 Yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's amazing. But, but was there a moment though, in, in your house when you were doing it where something happened that made you say, "This is..."? You know, like, like did anyone-

Joe Rogan 50:39 No, no, no.

Tom Green 50:39 ... did, did anyone ever come up and not wanna leave after?

Joe Rogan 50:41 No, no, no. It was nothing bad.

Tom Green 50:44 No?

Joe Rogan 50:44 It just seemed like a... That it just always seems like it's time to do something new.

Tom Green 50:48 See, what I w-... My problem was, I was drinking a lot more back then.

Joe Rogan 50:52 Oh.

Tom Green 50:52 Mm. So, you know.

Joe Rogan 50:55 You drink now at all?

Tom Green 50:56 I do.

Joe Rogan 50:57 Do you?

Tom Green 50:57 But a lot less. Actually, I'll tell you, when I started doing standup again, what, 10 or 11 years ago, I started doing it again-

Joe Rogan 51:03 You wanna have a drink right now?

Tom Green 51:05 Uh, sure. Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 51:06 Get us a couple of drinks.

Tom Green 51:07 Of course I will. Have a drink, drink with, with you on your show?

Joe Rogan 51:11 Have a little whiskey.

Tom Green 51:11 Of course I will. We, we... Just like, uh, a clip of us drinking?

Joe Rogan 51:13 A little bit.

Tom Green 51:13 Yeah, of course. Um, but... Absolutely, I will. But, uh, you know, the thing is, is I don't as much anymore and back then, I, I, I was-

Joe Rogan 51:23 You were boozing a little too much? Is that what you're saying?

Tom Green 51:25 Yeah. And I think, I think what I thought was I got a little too carried away with the idea of, hey, we can drink on the show, you know?

Joe Rogan 51:31 Right, right, right. Oh, I remember that. We were drinking Coronas.

Tom Green 51:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:34 That's one of the things that people were pointing out, like, "Oh, this is a... Well, you're drinking a Corona beer."

Tom Green 51:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:38 Corona beer took a big hit.

Tom Green 51:40 Uh.

Joe Rogan 51:40 So crazy.

Tom Green 51:41 I bet, yeah. People-

Joe Rogan 51:42 People are so dumb. They're blaming the name of the beer on a virus.

Tom Green 51:45 Yeah, I was thinking in the beginning like, "Hey, why don't they just call it COVID-19 or something?" Just to, to... You know, this company's... Anyways.

Joe Rogan 51:52 What if Cor- Corona just changed... They had a COVID-19?

Tom Green 51:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:56 Like, uh, a special edition?

Tom Green 51:58 Have some fun with it.

Joe Rogan 51:59 Yeah.

Tom Green 51:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:00 Grandpa's dead, have some fun.

Tom Green 52:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:02 He died choking on his own lung fluid.

Tom Green 52:06 So I was having fun with that, and, uh, but I, uh, I feel like, um... I feel like that maybe, uh... I forgot where I was going with that, but the point is, is, uh, I, uh... Ooh, nice.

Joe Rogan 52:18 Oh, boy.

Tom Green 52:18 What do we got here?

Joe Rogan 52:19 Do we have any more bottles of this? This thing's almost empty.

Tom Green 52:21 Mm. A little whiskey there, huh?

Joe Rogan 52:24 Yes, sir.

Tom Green 52:25 That's my drink. I've been drinking Bushmills.

Joe Rogan 52:27 Oh. Is that a specific type?

Tom Green 52:29 It's from Belfast. It's, uh-

Joe Rogan 52:31 Cheers, man.

Tom Green 52:31 ... Irish whiskey. Ooh, that's a healthy pour there.

Joe Rogan 52:34 Yeah, it's cool, dude. Awesome. Beautiful. Thank you.

Tom Green 52:36 Okay. Well... I won't, I won't, uh, be having any more or else have those-

Joe Rogan 52:41 That's fine. It's all you need, a little sip. It's not bad for you, it's been proven.

Tom Green 52:45 Sorry, what is that?

Joe Rogan 52:46 That's a Buffalo Trace.

Tom Green 52:48 Mm.

Joe Rogan 52:49 This company's been around since 1773, son.

Tom Green 52:51 Oh, I heard you talking about that.

Joe Rogan 52:52 One of my sponsors.

Tom Green 52:53 I heard you-

Joe Rogan 52:53 No, no, no.

Tom Green 52:53 ... talking about that.

Joe Rogan 52:54 Just look, there's actual buffalo testicles on the label.

Tom Green 52:57 Oh, wow. No, don't make me jealous.

Joe Rogan 52:59 Respect. Respect.

Tom Green 53:00 I used to have two of those.

Joe Rogan 53:01 (laughs) You still have one.

Tom Green 53:02 (laughs) But, um-

Joe Rogan 53:05 So we were talking about drinking, doing the studio. You said you, it got a little carried away because you could drink there.

Tom Green 53:11 Oh, I know where I was going with it.

Joe Rogan 53:13 Okay.

Tom Green 53:13 Yeah. So, so yeah. So, so of course, people like to drink. My guests like to drink too. I have a lot of great guests coming up. You know, sometimes we'd have a few too many, sometimes turned into every time we had a few too many, turned into, it turned into a party every night. It turned into a party that never ended every night. It turned into, you know... You know, I remember, like... Uh, we had great stories too. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't bad. I mean, I remember Norm MacDonald would come up and I... You know, I'm from... Norm's from Ottawa, okay? I'm from Ottawa, Canada. The capital of Canada. Okay? Um, I, I grew up loving Norm, okay? Like, 'cause when I was a teenager, I was doing amateur night, they called it, that's what they used to call opening mi- open mic nights at Yuk Yuk's in Ottawa, amateur night, I'd do that. And Norm would come through town. He hadn't, he hadn't blown up yet.... he was Norm, he was 25 years old. He was my favorite. Him and Harland Williams. Jeremy Hots, those guys were my favorite. And so having grown up idolizing those guys and then all of a sudden, they're up at my house, and now we're having a drink-

Jamie Vernon 54:19 Oh.

Tom Green 54:19 ... and now the show ends. Now the show ends, and Norm's having fun. I'm having fun. Let's go look at some YouTube videos. So now we're watching YouTube videos till 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning, and then that starts happening every night with other people and everybody.

Jamie Vernon 54:30 Oh.

Tom Green 54:30 And everybody... all of a sudden, it's like I wake up in the morning, you know, there's beer s- like, the floor is sticky. (laughs) Like, my floor in my house... You know, I've got a nice place, right? The floor is sticky, right? And then the, and then the f- then the, the housing cr- crashed, the housing market crashed, and I was doing this thing and the te- Oh, here's another thing. Okay. The technology changed, and so every, like, few months, "Oh, the cameras are obsolete." You know?

Jamie Vernon 54:54 (laughs)

Tom Green 54:54 The, the, the, the four by three cameras don't fit in the aspect ratio. You gotta get all new cameras. Okay, so I gotta spend for $6,000 on new cameras just to keep it working. I've already spent all... Okay, and then the house is worth like, half of what I paid for it, and I'm like, "Am I under water here?" And the floor's... A- a- and not to mention that, the floor, the floor's sticky. There... I've screwed things into the ceiling. I've ruined it. I've ruined the house that's worth half of what I paid for it. I'm like, "Uh, maybe I should move the... get rid of the studio out of the house. This is not healthy." But no, a- and, and there was also, you know, uh, this...

Jamie Vernon 55:26 Did you want a semblance of normalcy? Didn't you want a house?

Tom Green 55:29 Well, and also what happened was... Cheers.

Jamie Vernon 55:34 Cheers. (laughs)

Tom Green 55:36 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 55:38 Cheers.

Tom Green 55:40 Also, what happened was, um, you know, I had, I had, I'd be- I was becoming increasingly frustrated with my inability to monetize it, okay?

Jamie Vernon 55:50 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 55:50 And, uh, and because it was... it wa- just wasn't really what people were doing ch- quite yet. And I had people all over the world calling in and watching. We were getting a lot of views. We were get-... One... Th- the, the, the, the brai- the moment when I realized something cool was happening with the views, we figured this thing out, Kat Von D came on the show, okay? The, the te-... you know Kat Von D.

Jamie Vernon 56:11 Yeah.

Tom Green 56:11 She came on the show. She had a MySpace page with, like, a gazillion followers. This is a funny story, actually. I hope it is, at least. We, uh, we, we embedded the feed to her MySpace page. All of a sudden, we had a million views on that one feed. Oh my God, this is amazing. Then, the end of the month comes, I get a bill from the server company. We hadn't talked about if you had a million views. A bill for $40,000. (laughs) I'm like, "Wha- what?"

Jamie Vernon 56:49 Whoa.

Tom Green 56:49 They go, "Oh, well, we charge per clicks. I mean now that's the... n- ne- uh, you know, we always had this thing, but now we have a thing where it's..." So I mean, in fairness to them, they didn't make me pay it, but they wanted me to pay it until I was crying on the phone. (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 57:01 (laughs)

Tom Green 57:01 You know, like, "Oh God. Oh God. I gotta pay... This is... You know, I just got new cameras. This is great. And then, you know, the f- f- ceiling's got holes in it, you know?" I mean, so they didn't make me pay it. Thank you for... thank you very much to everybody, uh, that I won't even say their name in that story, but th- th- th- thank you to them for that. But it became a lot of s- pressure, eh, financial pressure to keep it going. I'd been doing it for a long time. I'd grown kind of, you know... I started finding myself annoyed with doing it, you know? And then I just one day just realized I wanna start doing standup again. And I just... I'd always wanted to, right? I did it when I was a kid. It was always felt like a thing that I'd... You know, I... When I was doing standup, I stopped when I started my public access show 'cause I got... I'm a focus. I focus, right? So I had this... I had the public access show. And I don't have time to do that anymore. I focused on that, right? For, for 10 years. And in the back of my mind, I was always like, "Man, I, I left that on the table," you know? So I found that that was gonna be my way of monetizing my web show, is I'm gonna go on tour. And all of a sudden I started... I jumped up at The Comedy Store, and I felt that feeling, you know? That feeling I hadn't felt since I was, you know, like 19, was the last time I'd done it, you know? And, and I, and I, and I did well, right? It was like, the fear of like, "Oh, am I gonna bomb? Are they gonna..." You know, it was just instantly gone. And I realized, "Shit." And then I went back. I started going back, going, start going back, going back, going back and I go... And then, and then all of a sudden I started... Then this... I started getting booked. And then I'm... All of a sudden, you know, six years of doing the web show and paying for it out of my pocket and worrying about it, and all of a sudden, whoa, I'm, I'm like making good money doing standup. I like this idea, getting paid to do what I love to do as opposed to paying (laughs) what I, for what I love to do. And so then I'd come home from the road and the, the co- equipment was getting more obsolete too, you know? It was like, it was like there was dust on it, you know? And then, like, the camera worked... you know, you'd turn it on, it wouldn't work as well, you know? Like, you'd have to figure... And, and, and it, it... and I'd come home, and I, uh, would look at this house, and I didn't... I'd... I was tired from being on the road. I didn't wanna turn on the studio. I thought, "You know, I'm gonna take the studio out of the house, and, uh, I'm gonna go focus on, on, on, on trying to become as good of a standup as I can possibly be." And-

Jamie Vernon 59:25 And this is what year? What year did you start?

Tom Green 59:28 It was probably about 11 years ago, so yeah. And so... and then I've been on the road for the last 11 years, like, you know... I mean, I've talked a bit about this, but I've been going hard, man. I've been going everywhere. I've been all over the world. I've been in, in, uh, every, every club in the US, and I'm loving it, and I just love doing it. And I feel... and what I love about standup is I n- i- it's, it's... and I... I'm, I'm, I'm not sure if this is true at your point, but for me, I still feel like every time I get on stage, I feel like I'm learning something and getting better at it.

Jamie Vernon 59:58 Still?

Tom Green 59:58 Every single time.

Jamie Vernon 59:59 Yeah. Yeah, me too.

Tom Green 1:00:00 I've done thousands of shows, but then... How could I have... How can I walk off stage and feel like-... that was the best show. Li- that's what I said the last time, that's what I said the time before, that's what I said the time before. But I love that feeling of like, oh, there's somewhere... We're moving somewhere with this. We're moving in a dir- we're, we're, we're figuring something out. It's very fulfilling, so...

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 Well, it's clearly something that the more you do it, the better you get at it. If you're enthusiastic and you're concentrating on it, the more you do it, the better you get at it.

Tom Green 1:00:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 And the, the more years you have in, it's like the more data you've processed on how to do it right and how to do it wrong and how to, what to avoid and what to emphasize and-

Tom Green 1:00:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 ... all these different things. They, they just get to a greater and greater understanding in this thing. So really there is a difference between like 10 years and 20 years, 20 years and 30 years.

Tom Green 1:00:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 It really, you really do keep... As long as you really are still passionate about it-

Tom Green 1:00:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 ... you will still get it, get better at it. Dom Irrera said this to me. He was like... And Dom's been doing it longer than me. I remember watching Dom on TV when I was thinking about doing comedy, he was already on TV, right? And when I became friends with him. He was like one of the first guys that I was friends with. It's like, "I can't believe I'm friends with Dom Irrera." And, uh, to this day, Dom's been doing comedy probably 40 fucking years.

Tom Green 1:01:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 To this day he still says, "You know, you just keep concentrating on it, you still get better."

Tom Green 1:01:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 I'm like, that is the craziest thing, isn't it? It's like you just... If you're... As long as you're still locked in, and some guys like Dom are still locked in, like he still crushes.

Tom Green 1:01:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 I've seen Dom at The Comedy Store crush.

Tom Green 1:01:26 I know, which is so inspiring, right?

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 Oh, yeah, with new shit.

Tom Green 1:01:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 Yeah. Just-

Tom Green 1:01:30 Walking.

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 ... walking around, light, light with the audience, having a good time.

Tom Green 1:01:34 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 Been doing it forever, still loves it, still loves doing standup. And I think that's what's up. It's like whatever you're doing, whether it was your public access show or whether it's you doing standup or maybe you become an author, whatever the fuck it is, that thing, you just have to really be all in on that thing and-

Tom Green 1:01:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 ... really be interested in tha- that thing. And if you are, you're gonna get better at it.

Tom Green 1:01:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 You're gonna get better at it.

Tom Green 1:01:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 You just keep... I mean, you're gonna have bad times and good times and sh- jokes that suck and jokes that are better, and some jokes you have to abandon, they're never gonna work. You try 'em, you're like, "What is wrong with this? I can't seem to get... Let me just put it aside for a little bit." And you might come back to it two years from now, you're like, "Oh, that tomato joke."

Tom Green 1:02:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 And then you go back and then you start fucking around with the tomato bit again.

Tom Green 1:02:15 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 You bring it re- reintroduce it to the crowd.

Tom Green 1:02:17 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 You never know, man. It's a, it's a, like a living forest of ideas, that's what uh, uh, uh, an act is. It's like a life form and it's like you, you, you fertilize it with information and kn- know- knowledge and, and you keep paying attention to it constantly. In a good way too, just like you're supposed to sing to plants. Like pay attention to that act, like go there with enthusiasm, be happy that you can do it, and this is one thing that's gonna happen to a lot of comics after this break.

Tom Green 1:02:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 You come back, you're gonna be so thankful.

Tom Green 1:02:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 So thankful that you can make people feel good, that we can all have a night out together-

Tom Green 1:02:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 ... where, you know, people come and they're on dates and they're just happy to be there, and they're, they're, they're there to have a good time, and the comics are so happy that everybody's there and everybody gets just a good old love fest out of it. Just let's, uh, appreciate what we had. I think we all appreciated what we had at The Store, but I think now everyone's gonna really, really appreciate how special that place is and how special standup comedy is across the world. It's a special thing to be able to get in front of people and, and, and make your ideas change their physical state. You know, w- when people are laughing about something, they're having a great time at someone's killing on stage, it changes, it's like you're giving them a happy drug. When someone makes you laugh, it feels good, that's why we gravitate towards standup. When Joey Diaz is on stage crushing, you feel good, you're like, (laughs) that feeling that you get, it's like everything feels amazing. And you and I get to feel that all the time.

Tom Green 1:03:51 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 We're so lucky we get to hang out with some of the best, funniest people in the world and make each other laugh and just joke around and hang out in that back bar and, and, and p- p- tell war stories and just laugh and have so much fun. And I think one great thing about this for us is it's gonna make us appreciate wh- how special and how fortunate that is. I think for an- a lot of other people during this time off that have been like on the fence about quitting what they do, I bet a lot of people are gonna change course in their career. I bet a lot of people are gonna realize, "You know what? This could all be just taken away from me. I'm playing it safe, and even though I'm playing it safe doing something I don't wanna do, it's still got taken away from me, and I didn't even have a chance to take a chance."

Tom Green 1:04:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 "I was trying to do this thing and do the right thing and follow my degree and..." Now they're gonna go, "Since this can be taken away from me at any time, I'm gonna do what I wanna do."

Tom Green 1:04:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 "I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to find out how to make a career at..." Whatever their interest is, whether it's making tents or fucking painting, whatever it is.

Tom Green 1:04:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 Whatever it is.

Tom Green 1:04:54 Making tents?

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 Some people are into making tents.

Tom Green 1:04:56 Somebody literally is making, into making tents.

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 For sure, they design tents-

Tom Green 1:04:59 At what point do they decide they wanna do that though? At what point in life? When they're a kid camping, they go, "Someday I'm gonna-"

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 Yes.

Tom Green 1:05:05 "... make a better one of these." This thing's leaking right now.

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 Exactly, this thing is leaking a lot.

Tom Green 1:05:08 This thing's leak- this shouldn't be leaking like this.

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 (laughs) Sure, no let's fix this. They make, uh, better sleeping bags.

Tom Green 1:05:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 Some people make better, uh, you know, those little burner stoves, those stoves that people take when they go hiking.

Tom Green 1:05:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Someone goes, "This thing sucks, I'm gonna make a better one of these fucks." And they (laughs) and they-

Tom Green 1:05:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:22 ... they make a better one, they sell it to REI and the next thing you know it's the hot thing if you're going camping.

Tom Green 1:05:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 Gotta have it.

Tom Green 1:05:28 There's some, yeah, there's some crazy tents out there now too, I'm sure you know.

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 Yes.

Tom Green 1:05:32 You, you probably do a lot more camping than I do.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 I don't camp that often, but uh-

Tom Green 1:05:36 You don't go on the hunt? When you go on the hunt, you don't-

Joe Rogan 1:05:38 I have, yeah.

Tom Green 1:05:38 ... set up some crazy new, new model tent?

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 I don't prefer... I have.

Tom Green 1:05:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 But I prefer to do the most miserable... Well, I think the most miserable is rain 'cause cold you can get warm, like I've done Montana, we did the Misso- me and Bryan Callen with, uh, my friend Steve Rinella and his crew for The Meat Eater show, we did, uh, the Missouri Breaks