Joe Rogan Experience #1463 - Tom Green

1. 0:00 – 0:55

   COVID-era reunion: leaving the house, testing, and disinfecting everything

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      ... one. The OG, ladies and gentlemen.

   2. TGTom Green0:02

      Oh, Joe.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      Y- you're the OG.

   4. TGTom Green0:04

      Virtual, virtual-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      Dude, knuckle... We can give each other real knuckles.

   6. TGTom Green0:06

      Come on, don't be scared. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Here we go.

   8. TGTom Green0:08

      I'm not, I'm not, like, I'm not crazy s-... I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, like, a paranoid person, but I'll tell you, Joe, you got me to leave my house for the first time in five weeks, okay?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      I'm so happy you left and I'm so happy you got tested.

   10. TGTom Green0:19

       Yeah. The first time in five weeks that I've left the house and, yeah, I got tested and I'm... And everything's great, so... But I'm not, like, you know, paranoid or anything like that. It's just-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Spray it down, baby.

   12. TGTom Green0:28

       Yeah, yeah, just, you know...

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       How, how bad is all this Lysol for us?

   14. TGTom Green0:30

       This stuff is pretty good, by the way.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       This is a real question, right? How bad is all this Lysol?

   16. TGTom Green0:34

       Yeah, yeah, it'll be fine.

   17. JVJamie Vernon0:35

       The aerosol's probably not bad.

   18. TGTom Green0:36

       Um, but no, great to be here. Thank you for having me.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       My pleasure.

   20. TGTom Green0:39

       And, uh... Man, what... I haven't, I haven't left my house in five weeks. Uh, I've been isolating as a responsible citizen, right?

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Yes.

   22. TGTom Green0:49

       Yeah. And, uh, I, I feel good. I feel... First of all, I'm s- excited to be here. I, uh-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       I'm excited to have you here.

2. 0:55 – 7:35

   Tom Green’s home studio years: early webcasting before YouTube was the default

   1. TGTom Green0:55

      I posted that... I was... I've been going through my computers. I'm at home, I'm going through my computers and just killing time. I live alone, okay? I happen to be single at this point in my life.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:06

      Ladies.

   3. TGTom Green1:07

      There you go, huh? Right, right (laughs) .

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:10

      (laughs)

   5. TGTom Green1:10

      Right before this happened, uh... And I kind of think to myself sometimes, I think, "Okay, imagine if I had been in a relationship that hadn't been going well and this happened."

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:19

      Mm-hmm.

   7. TGTom Green1:19

      And then you have to make the decision to isolate with somebody. I'm not in that situation, I'm home alone and I've been talking a lot to my friends on FaceTime, and I've been socializing, and I've been, you know, living life in this world, but alone in my house. I'm going through my computers, started going through old footage. I found that clip from when you came up to my house back in the day and, uh... Yeah, I just... I, I, I saw this moment where I just... I'll jump right into this, if that's cool.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:51

      Sure.

   9. TGTom Green1:51

      Because this... I saw this moment in the clip where we started talking about my old web show, and you'd come up to my house back in the day, and it was so cool that you came up then. And I remember at the time, your website was, like, way advanced, right? Like, it had all sorts of extra stuff on it that people weren't really doing on the web back then and you came up, we just started talking about the web and, um-

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       That was because of my webmaster, Andrew Blevins. Shout out to Andrew.

   11. TGTom Green2:16

       Uh-huh.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       He's a, a wizard at web creating.

   13. TGTom Green2:19

       So I was always really into web stuff, you know. I had my website, I started my website early when I was, you know, up in Canada, and I was really... Thought that was cool and we started talking about what I was doing, which was kind of crazy, right? And then you just started talking about... You say (laughs) ... You said, uh, "What, what, what we gotta do is figure out how we're gonna make some money off this."

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:42

       Yeah.

   15. TGTom Green2:42

       And I'm like, "Yeah." And I'm, like, going, "Yeah, I know, it's... I mean..." You know, I'd been trying. I had been trying. I'd been going to, you know, advertisers and stuff and they were like, "What?" You know, "What, what do you mean, internet?" You know?

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       (laughs)

   17. TGTom Green2:52

       But, uh, it's kind of funny that I saw that clip and I thought, "That's hilarious." Because, you know, not to, not to, you know, blow too much smoke up your ass, but clearly you figured how, (laughs) how to make money off of it and it was hilarious. I'm like, "That's hilarious and prophetic moment. How can we make money off of it?" And now we're here in this beautiful studio, and it's incredible, so...

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       Yeah, there was a few moments that, uh, really planted a seed in my head to do something like this online. This... Yours was a big one.

   19. TGTom Green3:17

       Yeah, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       Being at your house and seeing how you had servers.

   21. TGTom Green3:19

       Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       You had full cables. Like, folks-

   23. TGTom Green3:22

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:22

       ... this room is not as sophisticated as Tom Green's home was in 2007. That's how crazy it was.

   25. TGTom Green3:29

       There was some weird stuff in there, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:30

       But you had it set up like an... You had a, a whole internet service provider set up at your house.

   27. TGTom Green3:37

       Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       Like, like you could have run, like, a network in 2007. You had all those... You had that whole rack-

   29. TGTom Green3:44

       I did.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       ... with all that equipment. I walked into that room and it's humming and I'm like, "Holy shit, dude."
3. 7:35 – 15:24

   Missed turns and platform lock-in: YouTube’s rise and the ‘own your server’ mistake

   1. TGTom Green7:35

      So I remember I got a call. This is one of those, like, you know, when you think abou- think back and you sort of kick yourself. I'm, I'm... You know, I was, it was... So, I mean, how far into the weeds do we wanna get technically? I was-

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:49

      (laughs)

   3. TGTom Green7:49

      I... (laughs) You know? It's like people are like, "Who gives a fuck?"

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:51

      Oh, there it is right there.

   5. TGTom Green7:52

      But here I was. I'd, I had the ser- there, that's the clip, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:54

      That was my backwards bas- baseball hat days.

   7. TGTom Green7:57

      So we were-

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:57

      Jamie's still in those days. (laughs)

   9. TGTom Green7:58

      We were hosting this stuff on this site called bitgravity.com.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:02

       Ah.

   11. TGTom Green8:03

       So we would upload our shit to that.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:05

       Were those the guys from Denver?

   13. TGTom Green8:06

       Mm-hmm. Uh, no. Uh, bitGravity is San Francisco. Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:09

       Okay.

   15. TGTom Green8:10

       San Francisco and, uh, Barret Lyon is, you know, sort of-

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:13

       Did you do some stuff with some guys from Denver?

   17. TGTom Green8:15

       That was, that was sort of around the same time. They were, that was Mania TV.

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:20

       Oh. Right, right, right.

   19. TGTom Green8:21

       And so they kind of... But what I, what, what I did was... Mania TV was the only people that were really doing live streaming and I said, "Hey, you know, like I wanna build this TV studio." And they helped me build a studio, but I, I, I wanted it, I wanted to be autonomous of them as well.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       Right.

   21. TGTom Green8:39

       So I got my own servers through this company bitGravity, where they basically invented the technology to upload video and then serve it out. Right. So I would link that to my website, TomGreen.com, completely autonomous of the other website, Mania TV. So, you know, it was some, it was funny shit that happened there because, you know, I, I r- I remember, like, I think back, I go, "I really made a few mistakes." (laughs) You know? Like, I go, I go, "I want all the stuff to be on my website." Right? And then YouTube started. "Oh, what's this? Oh, YouTube. Oh, that's cool. They're s- they're doing a thing out of an apartment in San Francisco." And I remember at one point somebody called me from YouTube and said, "Hey, man. We really like what you're doing with your thing." I'm like, "Oh, that's cool. Cool, man. Yeah, yeah. I'm kinda doing my own thing over here," you know? (laughs) "Yeah, it's cool. I like what you're doing too." And never really kinda connected with them 'cause I thought, I was thinking at the time, "It's gotta all be on your server." Right?

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:36

       Mm-hmm.

   23. TGTom Green9:36

       So you have those views. Not thinking, "Okay, we could have it out, spread it, send it out. Just get-"

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       Right.

   25. TGTom Green9:40

       "... the eyeballs on it." So, but it was, it was exciting. It was exciting time.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       Everybody thought that, though. I mean, no one could've ever saw what YouTube had been.

   27. TGTom Green9:47

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:47

       Ha- or, or has become.

   29. TGTom Green9:49

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:49

       Mm-hmm. It's cra- what's crazy about YouTube is that there's not another one.
4. 15:24 – 24:53

   Lockdown living: prepping, grocery delivery anxiety, and when comedy returns

   1. TGTom Green15:24

      But, uh, no listen, I, uh, I have gotten good at living, uh, in my house without leaving. Um, I, uh, first of all, one thing that was weird, and I actually find it strange actually, I find this strange. About four weeks before shit went down, right? For whatever reason, it was happening, it was, it was in, like it was in Italy, I think. It was bad over there. I am not by any means a doomsday prepper or anything like that. You know, in fact, I'm the opposite. I, I've always said to myself, "If something went wrong, you know, I'd have like, I don't, I'd have like one day's supply of food or something (laughs) like that in my house." And I went before the rush on the toilet paper, all that stuff, I went and I got nonperishable food. I got sardines. I read articles about what's good protein. I got, you know, beans. I got rice. I got, I stocked up my pantry with stuff. I got about a month's supply of food not thinking that I was actually going to, actually. I mean, I knew it was possible. There was glimmers of it. They were starting to talk about it, but not thinking I was actually going to be locked in my house. And then all of a sudden it happened and-

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:37

      So you just were being smart. You're like, "Wouldn't it be nice if I did have a month's supply of food?"

   3. TGTom Green16:42

      Yeah. I talk about this stuff a lot with my friends, and we're always sort of talking about the possibilities of things. But, you know, you didn't think it was actually gonna happen. So then it happened, so, uh, then I've, I discovered some delivery services that deliver groceries.

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:53

      Right. But who are the people delivering it and are they healthy?

   5. TGTom Green16:56

      So, so here's the thing.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:58

      You think about that.

   7. TGTom Green16:59

      So yeah, I, I do not interact with them.

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:01

      Oh, Jesus.

   9. TGTom Green17:02

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:02

       But you touch the stuff that they touched, right?

   11. TGTom Green17:04

       Um, well-

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       What have they been hot chewing all over your bag?

   13. TGTom Green17:06

       You know, I mean, again, I, again, again, just, just to be safe I, I did disinfect them and then I take them and put them in, with gloves, with rubber gloves, and put them into a, uh, a, another room. And, uh, I let it sit for three days for the virus to die, and then, uh, then I start eating. Then I start eating.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:23

       I wish there was a clear answer to all this.

   15. TGTom Green17:26

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:27

       Or I wish there was a clear solution to all this.

   17. TGTom Green17:30

       I tell you, talking to you is making me feel better.

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:35

       Well, I feel better reading the latest statistics, um, about the mortality rate. I wonder what the actual, there's an infection rate, hospitalization rate, and mortality rate. And what was it, what was the study that was, was it UCLA? Is that what it was? For sure?... and it, it showed a v- a very low fatality rate in comparison to infection. So, that's good news. But the, the bad news is, this, you know, it could still kill a lot of fucking people, and, uh, people that are immune-compromised, people with diabetes, people that are overweight, people with lung problems, people with, uh, cigarette habits, all those. And p- and particularly, one of the nurses was saying, uh, people who were into the Juul, people who smoke, uh, with Juul-

   19. TGTom Green18:15

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:15

       ... they said there's a high instance that their, that he personally was seeing of people, um... Was it the he nurse or the she nurse? Hmm. I don't remember which one told me this.

   21. TGTom Green18:27

       You know what I was wondering? You remember, like, a s- like, one month before this happened, there, people were having lung issues 'cause of vapes? And that, do you think that was coronavirus?

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:37

       Sort of. Well, sort of-

   23. TGTom Green18:38

       Remember it was a big thing, like, for, like, a week.

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:39

       W- ... We had that explained to us by Adam-

   25. TGTom Green18:41

       And then it's like, "Oh, they're banning vapes." Maybe that was coronavirus.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:43

       We had that explained to us by Adam Curry.

   27. TGTom Green18:45

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:45

       It wasn't really what it appeared to be.

   29. TGTom Green18:47

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:47

       What it really was is a concerted effort to conflate two things that were happening. One, these assholes that made, like, really shitty low-level THC vape pens-
5. 24:53 – 35:25

   Cancer perspective and immune-system habits: vitamins, health messaging, and platform censorship fears

   1. TGTom Green24:53

      So have you ever been seriously ill?

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:55

      Yes.

   3. TGTom Green24:55

      Okay.

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:55

      I've had the flu, but I mean like-

   5. TGTom Green24:58

      So-

   6. JRJoe Rogan24:58

      ... I- I'm a cancer survivor.

   7. TGTom Green24:59

      Right, right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:00

      So to me, not putting, not saying the flu is not seriously ill, that's flu.

   9. TGTom Green25:05

      No, no you're right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:05

       You can die from the flu, right? You can die from the flu. We know this. But, so when I got cancer, my show was on MTV. Things were going great, everything was going great, you know? I got my show on MTV, people were watching. I'd been doing it on Public Access Canada for years, six years I'd been working away, making my own show, 'cause, you know, no one's ever gonna give me a friggin' show so I'll make my own show, right? Sort of, I did that before the web, I did that first, right? And that's how I, I always thought like that, you know? All of a sudden I'm on MTV, everything's great. Oh, oh, um, feeling a little funny down there. Fortunately, I went to the doctor, right? Which a lot of young people who get testicular cancer, thank you very much, w- don't go to the doctor right away, so it spreads- Mm.

   11. TGTom Green25:45

       ... and they die, right? I went to the doctor. I was lucky, I went to the doctor. But for me, having that happen at that time was so bizarre just in the c- you know, I- I sometimes think if I'd gotten, if I had gotten that testicular cancer one year earlier, you know, MTV wouldn't have picked up the show yet. So I would've been in Canada dealing with it, and then probably they wouldn't have picked up the show and my life would be completely different. That sort of change, th- and sort of the, the, the, you know, I don't believe there's coincidences, sometimes I don't believe in coincidences, sometimes I do. I flip-flop on that. But, but, uh, I, I basically, because of that, what that sort of made me realize is that, like, life's random, it's not fair, shit can happen. Even if it is unlikely, it might happen to me. And because of that, having dealt with that, and it just sucked man, it sucked having cancer. Like, like, 'cause it wasn't just about, like, you know, removing my right testicle, right? You know, 'cause, you know, that's, that- that sucks enough you think about it but, you know, but it's fine. I got the left one, it's fine. It's the middle one now. It's fine, it's doing good. But, uh... I'm doing a bit, but no, but the thing is-

   12. JRJoe Rogan26:58

       (laughs)

   13. TGTom Green26:58

       ... they also did a lymph node dissection, they cut me open, it was painful. I was in the hospital for eight, six, eight weeks or six weeks.

   14. JRJoe Rogan27:04

       Wow.

   15. TGTom Green27:05

       Took, took years to recover from that physically, like pain, uh, you know, nerve damage, just sl- you know, slowing down your body and so I just go, "I don't want to go through that again." Like, I just, I- I'm, I'm happy to just stay in my house right now, cut, cut all, you know, cut, cut, you know, just completely, like, improve my odds. I don't really have anything to do right now anyways. You know? I, um, not touring. I have a lot of stuff that I love doing in my house. I'm working on my computer, on Pro Tools. I like making music, like making hip hop beats and stuff, you know, but I've, for years I've had these little details in that Pro Tools program that I've not unlocked, little mysteries, 'cause I haven't had time to go and figure out how to mix and do, like, compression and do all the little things that you do, so I'm, like, going down that rabbit hole. I got my sound engineer calling me and I'm, like, doing online, like, doing on FaceTime, like, Pro Tools lessons and I'm getting, I'm having fun with it and I'm thinking, "Okay, I'm doing something with myself right now that is positive. I'm enjoying that and I'm trying to avoid, you know, being hospitalized again 'cause I hate being in the hospital. It sucks."

   16. JRJoe Rogan28:20

       Yeah, makes sense.

   17. TGTom Green28:21

       Yeah. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan28:22

       Um, are you doing anything differently in terms of how you eat or healthwise or nutrients or taking care of your immune system?

   19. TGTom Green28:32

       Y- yeah. Yes, I, uh, well, I heard you say zinc, uh, on the show, and I- I-

   20. JRJoe Rogan28:36

       Don't listen to me, first of all.

   21. TGTom Green28:38

       All right. But-

   22. JRJoe Rogan28:38

       If you're getting your medical advice from me... (laughs)

   23. TGTom Green28:40

       Well, no, I- I had already had the zinc, I- w- but that confirmed that I was taking zinc, so I was taking zinc. I've been taking-

   24. JRJoe Rogan28:45

       Yes. There's a lot of articles you should read on it, but yeah, zinc is very good particularly.

   25. TGTom Green28:48

       Taking vitamins, multivitamins, vitamins, uh, and then, uh, honestly, I'm not drinking as much.

   26. JRJoe Rogan28:56

       You know what's unfortunate? YouTube said that they're gonna take down anything that doesn't coincide with the World Health Organization's ruling on, you know, what to do about this pandemic.

   27. TGTom Green29:07

       What do you mean?

   28. JRJoe Rogan29:07

       They're, they're, YouTube is taking down things and, uh, and I don't know how specific they're gonna be about this, but they were saying alternate therapies like vitamin C and things along those lines, um, which is kind of unfortunate.

   29. TGTom Green29:21

       Mm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan29:21

       Because, like, uh, unless they're not being that strict about it because I would say if someone was saying how do you... If somebody made a video, someone who's a nutrition expert, and they made a video, "How to Protect Your Immo- Immune System from COVID-19," um, or maybe just, "Protect your immune system during the time of COVID-19." So I'm not even saying that it's protecting it from that, but how to, how to boost up your immune system in this very dangerous time in terms of viral infections. Well, there's, there are strategies. There's things you can do like get more sleep, drink more water, eat healthier-
6. 35:25 – 44:44

   Simulation talk and early-pandemic surrealism: helicopters, hoarding, and the toilet paper theory

   1. TGTom Green35:25

      Well, uh, I watched one of your shows recently where you're talking about, uh... I love this episode where you're talking about, are we living in a simulation?

   2. JRJoe Rogan35:35

      Yes.

   3. TGTom Green35:35

      Okay. So I was, um... You know, I love talking about this stuff. You know, it doesn't mean that I'm... "Oh, I think we're living in a simulation. Oh, I think that we, you know, our doomsday is coming." Not necessarily. But I do love the thought experiment of talking about it and thinking about it. And so after I was watching that show, your show, I was really thinking about it a lot. I had a long conversation with my mom about how, "You know, we could be living in a simulation, you know." "What do you mean?" "Well, I mean, you know, the computers are getting so fast. I mean, they're going to be able to program computers that have conscious..." You know, that little...... character on a computer might be able to start to think, and then it might start to be able to self-determine, and then we could just be an advanced version of that, and how would we ever know? And my mom's sitting there going like, "No, what are you talking about?" And then I had a pretty long day of talking about this with my mom and trying to convince her not that we're living in a simulation, but that it's possible we could be living in a simulation. My mother wasn't really buying it, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan36:30

      (laughs)

   5. TGTom Green36:30

      And then two weeks later, this happens, and I'm thinking, "Is this, like, 'cause we're living in a simulation?" You know, 'cause if you were living in a simulation, and then you started talking about it-

   6. JRJoe Rogan36:40

      Mm-hmm.

   7. TGTom Green36:40

      ... and then the creator of the simulation heard that, he might start a pandemic, you know? (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan36:45

      Maybe the problem is the term simulation.

   9. TGTom Green36:48

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan36:49

       Because if you're living in a simulation-

   11. TGTom Green36:52

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan36:52

       ... then it becomes your whole life.

   13. TGTom Green36:53

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan36:53

       Like, is that simulated anymore? Like, what is that? Like, maybe it's always been a simulation.

   15. TGTom Green36:59

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan37:00

       Maybe if you stop and think about events that take place that ultimately all seem to be leading towards events, right? When, when you think about the invention of electricity, and then the, uh, electronics of the '80s and the '90s that led to everyone having a home computer, that led to everybody having a computer in your pocket that listens to everything you say, and takes pictures, and uploads video, and just keeps getting more and more advanced, and more and more intertwined with you being a person until one day you enter it and you become a part of it. And it, they create something inside the world of computers that's far more compelling than the regular world itself. But maybe that's just the natural course of progression, and that's where life is going anyway.

   17. TGTom Green37:45

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan37:45

       Like, may- maybe that's just a new kind of life, a new dimension of life, in that all these things just come about through that. They come about through either natural causes, like, you know, stars supernoving, and, you know, everything coalesces and things become... Carbon-based life forms emerge, and, and-

   19. TGTom Green38:04

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan38:04

       ... and life becomes what it is in 2020. Like, or those things figure out how to open up new realities.

   21. TGTom Green38:12

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan38:12

       And that what a simulation would be would just be another reality.

   23. TGTom Green38:16

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan38:16

       That we were created by some person doing the exact same thing that we're doing right now.

   25. TGTom Green38:22

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan38:23

       That one day, we get to the point where technology's so spectacularly advanced that you could have a new world that's indiscernible. Like, you can't tell that it's not real.

   27. TGTom Green38:36

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan38:37

       It's impossible to tell. You are in that world now-

   29. TGTom Green38:40

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan38:40

       ... and that's where you exist.
7. 44:44 – 1:05:42

   How to host without wasting the good stuff: “Don’t leave it in the hallway” (and why Tom shifted to standup)

   1. TGTom Green44:44

      But Ed McMahon-

   2. JRJoe Rogan44:45

      Yes.

   3. TGTom Green44:45

      ... used to come up and do my web show that, that we were talking about. And, you know, Johnny Carson's sidekick. I never got to meet Johnny Carson, but I, I got to meet Ed McMahon.

   4. JRJoe Rogan44:54

      That's pretty dope that you met Ed McMahon.

   5. TGTom Green44:56

      Yeah. We became friendly. He came and did it all the time. He did it like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan44:59

      Really?

   7. TGTom Green45:00

      I think he did like four times or something.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      Wow.

   9. TGTom Green45:02

      'Cause he... I think he just... You know, I had a curtain (laughs) . He might... I had a cur-... I had a shiny curtain.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:08

       Yeah.

   11. TGTom Green45:08

       I had a desk. I had the, the desk that you... And I just think he felt like it was fun for him. No pressure. We're doing a little kind of make-believe tonight show or whatever.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:18

       That's awesome, man.

   13. TGTom Green45:18

       And he'd come up, and I was just so overjoyed that he was there. And we'd stand in the hallway, and I'd start talking to him. And he'd say... I could tell he'd get quiet. He was never quiet on the show, but he'd get quiet before the show. And I was like, "Is he, is he not in a good mood?" The first couple times. And he said, "Don't leave it in the hallway, Tom."

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       (laughs)

   15. TGTom Green45:37

       "Don't leave it in the hallway." And I realized, oh, he doesn't wanna have the same conversation again. And it made it a lot easier for me, as the host of the show in my living room, because then I didn't feel obligated to talk to him either. And we just sat there in silence for half an hour until the show started.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:54

       We fucked that up a bunch of times-

   17. TGTom Green45:56

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       ... on this podcast.

   19. TGTom Green45:57

       Yeah. Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       Not, not just you and I. I mean-

   21. TGTom Green45:59

       Oh, yeah. I was trying to kinda talk about things that weren't gonna come up, like this.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:02

       I mean, like the early days of the podcast-

   23. TGTom Green46:04

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       ... sometimes before we ever got-

   25. TGTom Green46:05

       Oh.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       ... the show started-

   27. TGTom Green46:06

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:06

       ... we had talked about all the coolest shit.

   29. TGTom Green46:07

       Yeah. N-

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       And then like, "Fuck, what were we just talking about?"
8. 1:05:42 – 1:18:22

   Hunting misery vs loving the outdoors: camping, military dad stories, and fishing deep dive

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:05:42

      But I prefer to do the most miserable... Well, I think the most miserable is rain 'cause cold you can get warm, like I've done Montana, we did the Misso- me and Bryan Callen with, uh, my friend Steve Rinella and his crew for The Meat Eater show, we did, uh, the Missouri Breaks in Montana-

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