Joe Rogan Experience #1464 - Duncan Trussell

1. 0:01 – 1:36

   Pandemic beard, cabin-fever hobbies, and moving with a new kid

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      It's hilarious that your biggest concern was getting stuff in your beard and me not telling you about it.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell0:05

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      You've got a strange one going on, man, 'cause you're kind of, like, trimming the sides a little bit and then you're puffing out here-

   4. DTDuncan Trussell0:11

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      ... in sort of a bow tie fashion.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell0:13

      You're looking at the struggle between who I was and who I am.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      (laughs)

   8. DTDuncan Trussell0:18

      Why am I doing this? It's the pandemic. I got, like, let the pandemic beard go all the way. And yet, there's still this sense of, like, (sighs) "We've got to keep civilization. I can't with... I get... "

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      Mm.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell0:29

       What's next? If it goes all the way up, you know, what's gonna start happening? I'm already gardening now. What's next, you know?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       (laughs)

   12. DTDuncan Trussell0:36

       Where does it go? How d- how crazy can you go in a compound?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Now that you're a father, um, and this craziness went down, and your protection, protection instincts, protective instincts kick in, have you been thinking about moving elsewhere?

   14. DTDuncan Trussell0:50

       Yeah. I mean, yeah. I was thinking about that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Like Asheville?

   16. DTDuncan Trussell0:53

       Before... Uh, yep. We've thought of Asheville.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Yeah. Asheville's nice.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell0:56

       We've thought Georgia, we've thought... You know, we, we, it's w- it's a constant consideration, especially when you have a kid. And aside from, like, apocalyptic prepper bullshit, there's j- uh, just a general feeling of, like, y- you know, I think if I w- were a little boy, I would wanna be in a place where there's creeks and a place I, I could run-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       Yes.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell1:19

       ... and, like, woods and forests and, like, stuff like that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       Yeah.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell1:22

       So there's that consideration too. God, I hope my wife isn't listening to this 'cause she's always like, "Maybe we should move somewhere in the country." And I'm like-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       Mm.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell1:31

       ... "We gotta stay in LA! We gotta stay here now, now especially!" It's like, well, do we? And like...

2. 1:36 – 2:54

   ‘The Midnight Gospel’ breaks through: weirdness, success, and streaming-era freedom

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:36

      Well, Duncan, you now have a successful Netflix show.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell1:39

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:39

      Number two in the country on IMDb.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell1:42

      It... On Rotten Tomatoes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:43

      Whatever it is.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell1:44

      Yeah. Well, I'm-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:45

      Same thing.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell1:45

      And I don't know what that means-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:46

      (laughs)

   10. DTDuncan Trussell1:46

       ... necessarily, but yeah, yeah! It's true! I can't believe it, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       Is, uh, is IMDb even TV shows? It's Internet Movie Database? Is it?

   12. DTDuncan Trussell1:56

       It's... I'm not sure what it is. I, I, it's like IMDb-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:58

       If you know about it.

   14. DTDuncan Trussell1:58

       ... is odd, but yeah. They show-

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:00

       You have a successful show.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell2:01

       I got s-

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       That's what's important.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell2:01

       Right now, it seems like people like it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:03

       It is so weird, dude. Your show is so weird.

   20. DTDuncan Trussell2:05

       Yeah, man.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:05

       (laughs)

   22. DTDuncan Trussell2:06

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       It's so Duncan. It's the most Duncan thing you've ever done.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell2:10

       Yes, it is.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:10

       It really is great.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell2:11

       I got lucky that they let me do that too, you know? That's 'cause-

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:14

       Yeah.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell2:14

       ... they l- that's 'cause Netflix, you know the-

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:16

       Tell people the name of it real quick.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell2:17

       Uh, it's called The Midnight Gospel and, um, you know, I've watched some of your episodes where you're talking about the way things are changing 'cause of podcasts or streaming or whatever, and I think, like, the fact that the show exists is a testament to that shit, that change because the... You know, s- a subscription-based service versus, like, uh, any other old TV, they've got a lot more creative freedom and they, they, they can take bigger risks-
3. 2:54 – 3:50

   Animation collaboration: Pendleton Ward, Titmouse, and the army behind each frame

   1. DTDuncan Trussell2:54

      Yeah. And, and, yeah, and, uh, and it's like Pendleton Ward who made Adventure Time, he loo- he listens to my podcast and he just... I don't know, we had a really great collaboration and he... That's a lot of Pendleton and it's a lot of, like, 150 other people at Titmouse Studios, uh, like Jesse Moynihan, like, just these brilliant people like Mike Mayfield who are, like, who just... One of the... Also, by the way, a non sequitur, or- is when we were making it at Titmouse, one of the really weird things was walking by an animator and they're watching your podcast while they animate The Midnight Gospel.

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:32

      Whoa.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell3:32

      You know, it was one of those weird... It's not like a deja vu, but it's like, "That's my friend's pod-

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:37

      (laughs)

   5. DTDuncan Trussell3:38

      That's... You know, that, that just is- so many odd moments like that, but yeah, that's not just... That's... Whenever you see any animated thing, you're looking at a squadron of brilliant eccentric artists who-

4. 3:50 – 5:41

   Outsourcing, labor ethics, and fandom exploding into tattoos and fan art

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:50

      Or Asian slaves.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell3:51

      Yeah, a lot of people don't know that they send it overseas and we, they didn't send ours over. They let us do it in-house.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:56

      (sighs) That's so nice to know you're not supporting Asian slavery.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell4:00

      Is it really slaves?

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:01

      I don't know if it's slaves, but I mean, if you're working for five cents an hour and you, you live there, you know, there, there's people that live in bunks. Have you... You've seen those, those setups where they have for some of the cellphone factories-

   6. DTDuncan Trussell4:14

      (smacks lips)

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:14

      ... where they have bunk beds and shit.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell4:16

      Oh, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:16

      These people just live in these dorms.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell4:18

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       You know the Foxconn thing with the net-

   12. DTDuncan Trussell4:20

       I know, I know that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       ... tower on the building to keep people from jumping off?

   14. DTDuncan Trussell4:22

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       Like, yeah, they, they're ba-... I mean, they're not slave-slaves.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell4:25

       Is Foxconn Chinese?

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       Yes.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell4:27

       It's actually a very good company.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:29

       The best company ever?

   20. DTDuncan Trussell4:29

       What... Now just saying that-

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:30

       (laughs)

   22. DTDuncan Trussell4:30

       ... like now some people think I'm a Chinese shill or something. Like I'm just-

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       Dude.

   24. DTDuncan Trussell4:34

       ... kind of pres-

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       How long before someone gets one of those animation things tattooed all over their body? It's gonna happen for sure. Someone's gonna do their whole back with that DJ.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell4:41

       I know, man. I know.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:42

       Remember that picture again? That actually would look pretty dope. If you, uh, if you do get that done, shout me out on the Instagram.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell4:49

       Ooh.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       And I'll find it.

   30. DTDuncan Trussell4:50

       Thank you. Yeah, somebody tweeted at me that my biggest decision of 2020 is gonna be when do I get a tattoo of Clancy on my body.
5. 5:41 – 7:48

   How animation is built: dailies, microscopic continuity, and ‘kill your babies’ creativity

   1. DTDuncan Trussell5:41

      I mean, when... Like, uh, doing animation and, you know, I'll never be able to look... Even if it, if, if, uh, if an animated series, if I don't like it or if the plot's weird to me or whatever, I'll never be able to be like, "Whatever, man." When you realize how much and how many people go into, like, have to do just one frame, how much time goes into just a s- milliseconds and how many people are sitting in these rooms that are lit specifically so you see all the colors, having, like, real-... deep conversations and, and debates over, like, you know, what color they should make a pizza cutter in the show. Like, how ... Like, what should the shade of gray be for this one specific area? So much thought goes into that, and that's part of making one of these things. It's, it's called the dailies, where y- you'll sit and you'll watch tiny, tiny little bits of the show. And, like, you have to s- Every single frame, you have to look for continuity problems, and like, you gotta catch all these little things that I ... You know, I'm not an animator, obviously, so I'd be sitting there and, like, Pendleton or Mike Mayfield would be like, "Can you go back two frames? It looks to me like there's a..." They s- like, have an animator language, you know? They're like, "Looks to me like, um, (smacks lips) uh, there's some kind of warble on the 28th, uh, pixel there." And you're like, "What the fuck?"

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:01

      Whoa.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell7:01

      And they ca- they have the eye to catch, like, the tiniest, tiniest, like, tiniest thing that's off. And you have to, 'cause otherwise, you know, once it's up there, it's up there.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:12

      Jesus.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell7:13

      I know. It's m- it's ma- it's literal magic. It's like Titmouse Studios who did that is like ... You know, I would go in there so stoned, and I would just start getting that feeling of like, "This is a temple. I don't think this is even a ... You could call this a studio as much as it's a temple."

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:28

      (laughs) Wow.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell7:28

      I mean, why, why wouldn't you call it a temple? And then you see all these people, you know, focusing their life energy on essentially, like, bringing a thing to life. Like, Clancy i- is alive now. That's a living being in some ... in this universe who lives, you know, in that medium of animation.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:45

      That's a good way to put it, right?

   9. DTDuncan Trussell7:47

      Yeah.

6. 7:48 – 14:52

   Clancy as a ‘living’ entity: spirit capture, Duncan’s mom episode, and why characters matter

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:48

      It almost seems like that, right? That's why people get so upset if you change a character's behavior. Like, "What are you doing?"

   2. DTDuncan Trussell7:54

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:54

      You had this thing. You gave birth to this thing.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell7:56

      Yeah, that's right. You ha- ... And that, that is also why you need a huge team of people who love, love the characters so they-

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:03

      Yeah.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell8:03

      'Cause it's easy ... Like, there would be times I would suggest a thing that would make Clancy seem, like, too mean, 'cause he's not mean. You don't ... Like, the moment a character seems like that, no o- like, it loses all likability. People are like, "What a fuck?" You know? Like-

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:17

      Clancy's alive to you. You're like, "He's m- he's not mean."

   8. DTDuncan Trussell8:20

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:20

      "Clancy's not mean."

   10. DTDuncan Trussell8:21

       He is alive.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:21

       You're like ... It's like you're talking about your, your brother or something.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell8:24

       He's like my little brother. I think of him as my little brother.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       (laughs)

   14. DTDuncan Trussell8:28

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:28

       He represents you in a weird way. There's something about what they captured. Go, go to, go to that image again.

   16. JVJamie Vernon8:35

       Oh, okay.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:35

       Just gi- give me-

   18. JVJamie Vernon8:36

       I like it better right there.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:37

       Well, don't give me the one with his head in a vagina.

   20. JVJamie Vernon8:39

       (laughs)

   21. DTDuncan Trussell8:39

       It's actually universal, you're right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:41

       Give, give me the one with the, the, with him ... There's something about one of the first couple of images that you pulled up. They, they look like you.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell8:49

       Yeah, man.

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:49

       And, and I don't mean they look like you. I mean, like, yeah, Duncan's thoughts. That's a Duncan thought.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell8:57

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:57

       You know what I mean? Like, he looks like a fake guy that you would create. Like, it kind of f- perfectly fits.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell9:03

       I, I don't ... I ... That qu- that is another of the magical aspects of animation-

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:08

       Yeah.

   29. DTDuncan Trussell9:08

       ... which is I don't know how they do that. Like, the, the, the ... Spoiler, spoiler. If you haven't seen it, put your fingers in your ears. Spoiler. I'm sorry if this is a spoiler. Uh, the last epi- Well, it's not too much of a spoiler. The last episode is the podcast I did with my mom when she was about three, three weeks away from passing on. And, uh, you know, they'd never met my mom, and, but they did the exact same thing with her. So, suddenly I'm watching, you know, her. Like, and not her like I'm looking at a vi- uh, uh, a video of her, but looking at her like her. Like, they got her spirit in there somehow. And that was one ... That, that is just a testament to the me- to the medium of animation, 'cause they ... That's one of the things it can do, you know? It can grab a spirit and hold it inside the art, and, like, that spirit is alive somehow.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:58

       Somehow, right?
7. 14:52 – 19:42

   Avatars, cosplay-friendly design, and where ideas come from

   1. DTDuncan Trussell14:52

      Yeah. Well, that, you know what? That's not... That... So when we were coming up with that, that... We had to come up with a character.

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:57

      Yeah.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell14:57

      And so what's really fascinating about it is, you know, this character goes into a multiverse, -verse simulator and chooses a new avatar for every place that he goes. So it's like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      (laughs)

   5. DTDuncan Trussell15:07

      ... he p- he... So you have to take that character and put it in a completely different drawing that is that character and still maintain the body language that you're maintaining in that character to produce continuity. That's one of the challenges of the show, is like... And also the conversations you end up having just to come up with, like, um, the, you know, the char- his hat, or his... What's he gonna wear? Like, for example, here's how cool Penn is and how much he loves, like, people who love Adventure Time, is... One of the things he was saying is, you know, people are probably gonna want to co- cosplay Clancy at Comic-Con and stuff.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:46

      (laughs)

   7. DTDuncan Trussell15:46

      And, and he doesn't have any-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:47

      (sighs)

   9. DTDuncan Trussell15:47

      ... he doesn't have anything to carry anything. He doesn't have pockets. So if people are cosplaying him, they're not gonna have anywhere they could put their stuff. So-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       (laughs)

   11. DTDuncan Trussell15:56

       ... we should... Let's give him, like, a, a bag. And so-

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       That's hilarious.

   13. DTDuncan Trussell16:00

       ... Clancy ended up with this cool bag that he carries around.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       Oh my God.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell16:04

       Yeah, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       For the cosplay.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell16:06

       Yeah, man. For the, for the people.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       Respect to the streets.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell16:09

       Yeah, exactly. That, that.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       (laughs)

   21. DTDuncan Trussell16:12

       'Cause, 'cause that's the-

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       (sighs) .

   23. DTDuncan Trussell16:13

       ... the world of animation and comics, man.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       Listen, man. It's really easy to make fun of cosplay, but that's adorable.

   25. DTDuncan Trussell16:19

       Dude-

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:19

       That's a, that's a beautiful thing. Where's the bag? Oh, there it is. Let me show 'em.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell16:22

       Joe, if you... Let me tell you something.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       (laughs)

   29. DTDuncan Trussell16:24

       If you didn't make fun of cosplay, I would be worried about you. It would be like... I would be like, "Are you all right, Joe?"

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:29

       Yeah, they can't be mad at it either. You can't be mad if you're dressing like Ultraman, someone's shitting on you.
8. 19:42 – 25:46

   VR worlds, AI characters, and quantum computing as a civilization-level pivot

   1. DTDuncan Trussell19:42

      It... Yeah. Uh, w- th- You know, it does... To me, it's not that crazy. I mean, look, if you wanna, like, take it to, like, okay, forget all the shit about channeling some alien realm into this realm through, you know, this disguise, a TV show, whatever. Let's just look at, like, what we know is gonna happen regarding technology. There's no question but that... I mean, already somebody made a Clancy in Minecraft and I saw a picture of that. So that's... Clancy's now existing in 3D space in some Minecraft blocky version of that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:09

      Oh, my God.

   3. DTDuncan Trussell20:09

      But then, of course, as time progresses, Clancy... You know, the- the Chromatic Ribbon or any great animated series, Castlevania, whatever, uh, uh, Gravity Falls, all those things, they're gonna end up getting, uh, put in a 3D space in virtual reality.

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:25

      Yeah.

   5. DTDuncan Trussell20:26

      And then a- And then those worlds are gonna be real, but now it's gonna be more than just 2D. It's gonna be a virtual space that, uh, is gonna be real. And then, of course, it's only a matter of time before AI just decide... like, understands the character of Clancy, animates the- the- the virtual Clancity- Clancy in the simulated space, and now Cl- the Chromatic Ribbon is real. And then at some point, when does it... when is it just gonna be accepted that, oh yeah, that's a part of the universe now that's inhabited by ar- artificial intelligences? Which we don't call that anymore 'cause you know at some point it's gonna be considered off limits to call them artificial intelligence. Like...

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:02

      Right. It's gonna be a dirty word.

   7. DTDuncan Trussell21:04

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:04

      It's gonna be like calling someone a tranny.

   9. DTDuncan Trussell21:07

      They're gonna get mad. They're gonna be like, "Don't... Pl- please, I'm an intelligence just like you."

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:11

       "But I'm not artificial."

   11. DTDuncan Trussell21:12

       "I'm not artificial in the way you think."

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:13

       "I was just birthed through a different method."

   13. DTDuncan Trussell21:15

       Yeah, that. That. Yeah. That's a n- That's a matter of time 'cause I also already know people in, like, the tech world who- who think the term AI is ridiculous in the sense of, like, what do you mean it's artificial? Like, what's really artificial? Like, you could say this is artificial s- sweetener in the sense that it's not actual strawberry juice, but it's certainly real, as real could be.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:38

       Mm-hmm.

   15. DTDuncan Trussell21:38

       It's just a chemical compound. So intelligence is-

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:40

       Right. But if you have an artificial tree, that's a fake tree.

   17. DTDuncan Trussell21:44

       I mean, it's a... but it's an object that exists.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:47

       Right.

   19. DTDuncan Trussell21:47

       You know? I mean, yeah. That's... If you-

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:48

       I think the w- but that's a s- It's still the right word though. Artificial's still the right word. It would be a... You'd have... You'd w- You'd wanna use nonexistent or something.

   21. DTDuncan Trussell21:57

       Dude, they're gonna play this in the future-

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:59

       I know.

   23. DTDuncan Trussell22:00

       ... and you're done.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:00

       (laughs)

   25. DTDuncan Trussell22:01

       They're gonna be like, "Look at that. Joe Rogan refuses to s- say-"

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:06

       He was AI-phobic.

   27. DTDuncan Trussell22:07

       Yeah. It's-

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:08

       (laughs)

   29. DTDuncan Trussell22:08

       It's gonna happen, man. It's like... And also the- the thing is the- the AI is... I- I think the AI is probably not gonna give a shit what we call it, but like, the... When that starts happening, which m- it may already be happening, man. I mean, I- I don't know if you've been looking into this or not, but have you been checking out, uh, Google achieving quantum supremacy? Have you seen this?

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:29

       Yes, I have.
9. 25:46 – 34:15

   DMT, aliens, and ‘the spirit world’ as a shared place

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:46

      Or be able to r- tune into that frequency, rather. Like, what can they do now in terms of... I was watching Contact the other night, which was great.

   2. DTDuncan Trussell25:53

      Yeah, it's great.

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:53

      I forgot how good it was. It's a great movie.

   4. DTDuncan Trussell25:55

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan25:55

      Jodie Foster can act her fucking ass off, man.

   6. DTDuncan Trussell25:58

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:58

      She plays nervous and freaked out better than like anybody alive.

   8. DTDuncan Trussell26:03

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:03

      Like, you freaked out for her in that movie.

   10. DTDuncan Trussell26:05

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan26:06

       "I'm good to go! I'm good to go!" When she's about to drop through that thing.

   12. DTDuncan Trussell26:10

       Oh, Jesus Christ.

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:11

       Holy fuck, dude. That movie's-

   14. DTDuncan Trussell26:12

       We've all felt that before.

   15. JRJoe Rogan26:13

       That movie's am- yes.

   16. DTDuncan Trussell26:15

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:16

       (laughs) Yeah.

   18. DTDuncan Trussell26:17

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan26:17

       After the third hit when you put the pipe down, he'll go, "Oh, no."

   20. DTDuncan Trussell26:22

       I know. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:22

       And the DMT chants start happening.

   22. DTDuncan Trussell26:24

       I know that feeling. It's such a funny feeling. You kinda go, "Whoa!"

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:27

       "Good to go?" "Got to go, got to go!" (laughs)

   24. DTDuncan Trussell26:31

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:32

       Ugh.

   26. DTDuncan Trussell26:32

       That, that feeling is the best worst feeling that I know of.

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:35

       Maybe that's the aliens. I've thought that many times when, uh, tripping, uh, in the middle of, uh, having some sort of like really vivid interaction with some intelligence or with some perceived intelligence.

   28. DTDuncan Trussell26:47

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:47

       I've always thought, "What if that was the aliens?" What if we're just stuck in this idea that travel is you gotta move this to there-

   30. DTDuncan Trussell26:54

       Yeah.
10. 34:15 – 47:28

    Predator reality tunnels: the poodle that kills, rat wars in NYC, and animal intelligence

    1. DTDuncan Trussell34:15

       No, but I'll tell you this. My fucking poodle took out a mouse today.

    2. JRJoe Rogan34:19

       Hmm.

    3. DTDuncan Trussell34:19

       Like the other day, I was, uh, I have a little, cute little poodle. And like, this is just a cute creature, sits in my lap. I love this dog. And, uh, and we've, but we, at our new place, I noticed like, a, a, a mouse turds around the dog food. And it sucks because you're like, "Damn, that mouse is definitely going to get through the doggie door and then we're going to have mice in the fucking house and that's going to be a nightmare." So anyway, I was like under a tree with my kid and I look down and there's a broken body of a mouse that one of the dogs took out. It's, you know, like just been smashed to death. And like, I know, it's brutal. I don't think my son saw it, thank God. I don't think he's ready to deal with that reality that like Gatsby, on, speaking of dimensions-

    4. JRJoe Rogan35:02

       Hmm.

    5. DTDuncan Trussell35:02

       ... on the dimension subjectively that that mouse lives in, Gatsby is a dragon. That's a monster that lives in the field it runs in when it's trying to get food for its kids.

    6. JRJoe Rogan35:12

       And it's not even hungry. It's full. It's a full monster.

    7. DTDuncan Trussell35:16

       Oh, no, it, I saw it kill the mouse today, you know. And I, w- my, my wife is like, "You got to get the mouse away from it. Don't let him torture it like that. You got to take it out of its misery." And I'm like, "All right, all right, all right. I will like, get it and then we'll like, we'll like execute the mouse, you know?" So e- I start walking over to the poodle. That's not my Gatsby anymore. It's killing and it like looks, he looks at me and he's like, (growls)

    8. JRJoe Rogan35:40

       Growled at you?

    9. DTDuncan Trussell35:40

       No, at the mouse, at everything, just a- approaching anything.

    10. JRJoe Rogan35:44

        Oh.

    11. DTDuncan Trussell35:44

        And so then, he like, he-

    12. JRJoe Rogan35:46

        A l- a wolf in him.

    13. DTDuncan Trussell35:48

        Dude, he's like tap dancing on this mouse and he realizes that we're approaching to like take his prey, and he just looks back like the fucking American Werewolf in London and just goes g- off into the shadows behind the house to finish off the mouse. And all you hear is like, (imitates mouse murder) , is he's like killing the mouse.

    14. JRJoe Rogan36:06

        Whoa.

    15. DTDuncan Trussell36:07

        You know? That's a fucking poodle. That poodle's the sweetest little thing ever, but like, it's also, I think, maybe something in animals knows that like ... And there was a time when mice were a sign that things were, they would eat your grain. They would fuck you up, like you, they'd spread disease, they'd shit on your baby, you know. They were like, they're gonna piss all over your hut. Maybe there's something in dogs that just knows that. I mean, I don't think he's a sociopath. I don't think he's doing like Jeffrey Dahmer shit where he's just like, "I wonder what sound it makes as it dies."

    16. JRJoe Rogan36:38

        (laughs) I think they're prey animals to dogs, too.'Cause coyotes eat a lot of rodents. The re- one of the reasons why we don't have rodents, like real rodent problems that we could, like New York City has, is we have m- way more coyotes. Coyotes are everywhere and hawks, a lot of birds, those are, those are the ones kill- so they're prey animals.

    17. DTDuncan Trussell36:55

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan36:55

        The reason why they, they're so prolific and they gr- they grow so fast and there's so many of 'em is 'cause a lot of things eat them.

    19. DTDuncan Trussell37:02

        Yeah, man.

    20. JRJoe Rogan37:03

        Yeah. All the animals eat 'em. Wolves eat 'em. Everything that can get a hold of 'em eats 'em. Dogs too and dogs are from wolves. So dogs see a mouse, they're like, "I'm eating that." Like that l- that must look like a delicious cold slice of watermelon on a hot July day.

    21. DTDuncan Trussell37:17

        Oh.

    22. JRJoe Rogan37:18

        Just oh yeah.

    23. DTDuncan Trussell37:20

        Just running across your yard when you are baked.

    24. JRJoe Rogan37:23

        Yeah. You're like, "It's a mouse."

    25. DTDuncan Trussell37:24

        Oh.

    26. JRJoe Rogan37:25

        Fuck yeah.

    27. DTDuncan Trussell37:26

        Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan37:27

        Bitch, it's a, a perfect orange. You know those oranges where sometimes-

    29. DTDuncan Trussell37:31

        (laughs)

    30. JRJoe Rogan37:31

        ... the, the, the peel just comes right free?
11. 47:28 – 1:05:35

    Pandemic conspiracies vs. messy reality: death counts, data uncertainty, and Sweden comparisons

    1. DTDuncan Trussell47:28

       Yeah, man. I mean, that's the ... That is the, uh, I- I ... And, you know, I was driving over. I'm like, "I don't ... I wanna talk about, like, all the different conspiracies about it with Rogan, but I don't want to, either."

    2. JRJoe Rogan47:39

       What kind of conspiracies? About the pandemic?

    3. DTDuncan Trussell47:41

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan47:41

       What are the conspiracies you're hearing b- ... other than 5G?

    5. DTDuncan Trussell47:44

       5G, comet impact.

    6. JRJoe Rogan47:47

       Comet impact?

    7. DTDuncan Trussell47:49

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan47:49

       I haven't heard that one.

    9. DTDuncan Trussell47:50

       Well, the com- ... The ... Well, you're definitely not my wife, 'cause my wi- ... I've mentioned this-

    10. JRJoe Rogan47:55

        (laughs)

    11. DTDuncan Trussell47:55

        ... so many times to my wife. She's like, "Duncan, please, don't ..." Dude, like, every day-

    12. JRJoe Rogan47:59

        Isn't there one that was supposed to fly by? Like, there's a meteor that's supposed to fly by in the next-

    13. DTDuncan Trussell48:05

        My-

    14. JRJoe Rogan48:05

        ... in a short amount of time.

    15. DTDuncan Trussell48:06

        Yeah. I ... Go ... I mean, check out Reddit Conspiracy. My Conspiracy friends, I'm not even gonna attempt to give the download on it, 'cause like y'all have done a pretty good job of putting all the, all the pieces together out there. Whether they're real or not, I don't fucking know, but I enjoy reading them late at night. And- and- and they've been giving me terrible dreams. But the- the asteroid theory is that, uh ... Okay, so we want to have m- ... By we, I mean they, wanna have maximum survivability for the planet. They're not out to, like ... They don't want people to die. They're not trying to ... The ... It's not a bioengineered thing that's designed to, like, cull the population, which is another of the theories. Uh, but rather, uh, they ... there- there was a plan, which is like, "What's our plan if we do see a meteor is gonna impact?"... the planet. What's our plan? Do we let people know that the meteor's gonna impact? Well, it depends. Like, if an astronomer that's not connected to one of our labs or whatever sees it, they're gonna let people know and then, you know, so that's a whole different, I think, method of, like, reacting. But what if we see a thing that they don't know about and w- there's some probability, even a th- 20% chance the thing impacts the Earth, right? Or there's some cosmic event maybe we're not even aware of, like the sun doing some weird shit that we don't even know happens because it's so de- it's like deep data, right? So, maybe it's not an asteroid, it's a cosmic event that's approaching, right? And so there's gotta be a plan. It's like, well, if we just tell people that the sun's gonna do like a mild blip, which is gonna destroy all, uh, satellites and destroy all GPS, and just that alone, uh, would cause runs on the bank, mass panics, like and people would start looting and shit. And that's not, you don't want that, because the idea is like we want them to hole up in their houses til the shit passes so we get maximum survivability. And so the whole pandemic, this is a conspiracy theory, not real. The whole pandemic was a plan to get people to go inside, store up food-

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:09

        (laughs)

    17. DTDuncan Trussell50:09

        ... get 'em off the roads and, like, wait for this, whatever this event is to pass. And as soon as the event passes, you'll, you'll find that it's g- it's all of a sudden it's like, "What do you know? The q- you know, the curves are all dropping off. What do you know?" And then we'll all be back because the thing they were worried about didn't happen. Also, it could be a test for, for that. So that-

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:29

        Can I just stop you? 'Cause it's, it's-

    19. DTDuncan Trussell50:30

        Please stop me.

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:30

        ... so dumb it's hard to believe.

    21. JVJamie Vernon50:32

        (laughs)

    22. DTDuncan Trussell50:32

        Thank you. (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan50:32

        There's a real virus that can, that can-

    24. DTDuncan Trussell50:35

        Dude. I know.

    25. JRJoe Rogan50:36

        ... they can image it.

    26. DTDuncan Trussell50:37

        I, I, but I-

    27. JRJoe Rogan50:38

        They know what it looks like. They, they've, they've been able to test for it, antibodies. They've test for live versions of it.

    28. DTDuncan Trussell50:43

        I feel like I, again, I feel like I'm talking to my wife.

    29. JRJoe Rogan50:44

        It's a real virus. It's a confusing virus.

    30. DTDuncan Trussell50:46

        It's so good that I married the person I married because if not, like I would probably be, like, digging a hole to, like, crawl into-
12. 1:05:35 – 1:15:32

    Contact tracing, chips, QR health status, and the slippery slope to social scoring

    1. DTDuncan Trussell1:05:35

       Yeah. Well, what do you ... Th- okay. So, the ... I've heard like three ideas regarding what to do. One of them is like incredibly controversial, and I wonder what you think about it, which is like using the same data that they use in like, uh, what's it called? Those chips.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:05:51

       South Korea? Yeah.

    3. DTDuncan Trussell1:05:52

       No, the chips you can put on ... Yeah, it's Bluetooth.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:05:55

       Damn.

    5. DTDuncan Trussell1:05:55

       It, it ... So, it's ess- essentially like tracking and alerting you if you've come in contact with someone who has it.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:06:00

       I don't trust.

    7. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:00

       What do you think about that?

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:06:01

       I don't trust anyone to have all that data and only use it for that.

    9. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:05

       Right.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:06:05

        There's no way. That data would be so valuable.

    11. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:08

        Right.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:06:08

        If everyone had a chip and everyone was tracked, you knew where everyone was-

    13. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:13

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:06:14

        ... all throughout the day. Oh, you're only gonna use that to see who's got coronavirus? Really? Get the fuck out of here.

    15. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:20

        Right.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:06:20

        Once that technology exists, it's not like they're gonna murder it at the end of the fucking season. "Well, we've got no more COVID-

    17. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:26

        (laughs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:06:26

        So, let's just stop all this technology."

    19. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:29

        Right.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:06:29

        No chance. They'll find a new reason to use it.

    21. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:31

        Yeah. Okay. S-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:06:31

        They'll be able to track the flu. They'll be able to track adulterers. They'll be able to track, uh, robbers. They'll be able to track, uh, carjackers. They'll be able to track w- you name it, man. You name it. These are the right-wing activists that like to yell at abortion clinics. Let's track them.

    23. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:46

        Right.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:06:47

        You know? And now, now a Republican gets into office. Hey, this is, these are the people that are the fucking animal rights activists-

    25. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:52

        Right.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:06:52

        ... that always get in front of the meat plant. Let's track them.

    27. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:55

        Right.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:06:55

        Like, you can't track people.

    29. DTDuncan Trussell1:06:58

        Okay.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:06:58

        And they're already doing it anyway. You talk to Snowden. They're already tracking you by your goddamn phone. But I like the fact that I can take this phone and chuck it in the fucking river.

Episode duration: 3:08:22