Joe Rogan Experience #1466 - Jessimae Peluso

Joe Rogan 0:00 Three, two, one. Jessie May.

Jessimae Peluso 0:03 Rogan.

Joe Rogan 0:04 Good to see you.

Jessimae Peluso 0:05 Joseph. Do people call you Joseph?

Joe Rogan 0:07 Uh, my mom does.

Jessimae Peluso 0:08 Oh, that's sweet.

Joe Rogan 0:09 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 0:09 What's your middle name?

Joe Rogan 0:10 She's basically a James.

Jessimae Peluso 0:11 Joseph James sounds like an author.

Joe Rogan 0:13 Yes. Hmm, maybe I should write books.

Jessimae Peluso 0:14 I can't believe you haven't written a book.

Joe Rogan 0:15 Ah, I tried.

Jessimae Peluso 0:17 What-

Joe Rogan 0:17 Started doing one o- a long time ago. I had a deal for a book, like, 12 years ago, and the dealing with the editors was so gross. They wanted ... They basically wanted me to just transcribe standup, and I, I wanted to write a bunch of weird shit.

Jessimae Peluso 0:31 Didn't Judy Carter already do that? You remember the Judy-

Joe Rogan 0:34 Ah.

Jessimae Peluso 0:34 (laughs) Do you remember that book?

Joe Rogan 0:35 Yeah. The books on ... Is that the worst genre ever, books on how to do standup?

Jessimae Peluso 0:40 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:40 They might be the most piss poor books ever. Belzer had a pretty good one. Be- Belzer had a decent one. I think it was, uh ... (sighs) What did ... Well, he had a couple of them. He had one on standup, and he had one on UFOs, Bigfoot, and JFK. Belzer is a crazy-

Jessimae Peluso 0:53 Those all go together.

Joe Rogan 0:54 Do you know him? Richard Belzer?

Jessimae Peluso 0:55 I don't know him personally, but, I mean, he's a legend for sure. He's, he's-

Joe Rogan 0:58 He's a crazy conspiracy theorist.

Jessimae Peluso 1:01 That makes sense.

Joe Rogan 1:01 Like, off the deep end.

Jessimae Peluso 1:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 1:03 Is he, like ... Rate him with Sam Tripoli. Is it just as crazy?

Joe Rogan 1:07 No, maybe more.

Jessimae Peluso 1:08 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:08 Yeah. He's, he's, uh ... I don't know if they believe in the same things. 'Cause it's funny, like, there's, like, classifications of conspiracy theorists. Like, some conspiracy theorists are bald, balls deep in, like, JFK. If you try to bring up 5G, they're like, "Get the fuck out of here with your 5G."

Jessimae Peluso 1:22 (laughs) So was Marilyn Monroe.

Joe Rogan 1:23 Yeah. Marilyn Monroe?

Jessimae Peluso 1:24 Balls deep in JFK.

Joe Rogan 1:25 Oh, yeah, that's true.

Jessimae Peluso 1:26 It was a little-

Joe Rogan 1:27 Sort of.

Jessimae Peluso 1:27 ... sex joke. I mean, well I guess he was balls deep in her.

Joe Rogan 1:29 Yeah. Allegedly.

Jessimae Peluso 1:30 But, I mean, who knows? Who knows what they were into behind closed doors? She could've strapped one.

Joe Rogan 1:33 That's a good, good conspiracy theory, too. Do you think they killed her?

Jessimae Peluso 1:36 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:36 100%, right?

Jessimae Peluso 1:37 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 1:38 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 1:38 Stitches ... Bitches get snitches.

Joe Rogan 1:40 Yeah, something, something happens.

Jessimae Peluso 1:40 Is that what it is? There's-

Joe Rogan 1:41 (laughs) Stitches.

Jessimae Peluso 1:41 ... stitches that happen with bitches.

Joe Rogan 1:43 Snitches get stitches.

Jessimae Peluso 1:44 Bitches who are snitches get stitches.

Joe Rogan 1:46 Yeah, or no stitches 'cause you're just dead.

Jessimae Peluso 1:47 Yeah, you're dead. You get the ultimate stitch of life-

Joe Rogan 1:50 (inhales deeply)

Jessimae Peluso 1:50 ... which is just done. What, what ... If you-

Joe Rogan 1:52 Yeah, for sure they killed her.

Jessimae Peluso 1:53 If ... So if you were gonna write a book today, what would it be about?

Joe Rogan 1:55 Oh, I don't know if I would do it today. I don't know. I, I ... Maybe th- maybe this is what I should be doing right now during this COVID time, but I'm using it as an excuse to, uh ... I don't know. Just not, I'm not, I'm not working on standup at all. This is the first time in forever.

Jessimae Peluso 2:11 Wow.

Joe Rogan 2:11 I've ... No writing. I haven't written anything.

Jessimae Peluso 2:13 Do you feel like it's relaxing, or do you feel any anxiety about having that detach from your day-to-day routine?

Joe Rogan 2:21 That's not the anxiety. The anxiety is the world. The anxiety is what, what's happening right now.

Jessimae Peluso 2:25 General existentialism?

Joe Rogan 2:26 Well, the ... Just the fact that the economy has come to a complete screeching halt, and all these people are losing their jobs, and all these people are losing their businesses, and we're not exactly sure what to do. 'Cause there's the hardcore people that are like, "Fuck it, open it up. Keep the women and the old people safe." (laughs) You know what I mean?

Jessimae Peluso 2:44 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:44 You know what I mean? There's-

Jessimae Peluso 2:44 We're fucking fine. First of all, stop making us so weak, okay? Why are we grouped into old, haggard people?

Joe Rogan 2:49 I shouldn't have said women. It's very ... Most people aren't women.

Jessimae Peluso 2:51 What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 2:51 Sorry, I made that up.

Jessimae Peluso 2:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:52 What people are saying is old people.

Jessimae Peluso 2:52 No, but you're right. It is a thing.

Joe Rogan 2:54 Well, you know, women and children first.

Jessimae Peluso 2:55 Yeah, wom- which we should be for sure.

Joe Rogan 2:57 Yeah. Well, on the Titanic you were, right?

Jessimae Peluso 2:58 Yeah, on the Titanic we were. We, we worked out.

Joe Rogan 3:00 That's why everybody loves Leonardo DiCaprio-

Jessimae Peluso 3:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:01 ... 'cause he died for her.

Jessimae Peluso 3:02 Paint Me Like Your Little French Girl.

Joe Rogan 3:04 Yeah, but meanwhile I'm like, "Can't you both get on that fucking raft?"

Jessimae Peluso 3:06 I know.

Joe Rogan 3:07 It's not that ... Just lie on top of each other. You're already making out. Like, what's-

Jessimae Peluso 3:10 She, like, picked his little frozen hands off-

Joe Rogan 3:11 Yeah. Jesus, like ...

Jessimae Peluso 3:11 ... and shoved them into the belly of the ocean.

Joe Rogan 3:13 "Get outta here, fucker."

Jessimae Peluso 3:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:15 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 3:15 Get a sign on the paper first.

Joe Rogan 3:17 Nice drawing.

Jessimae Peluso 3:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:20 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 3:20 You could write something about parenting. I mean, it must be interesting for you to be raising daughters in this climate.

Joe Rogan 3:27 Well, I think raising sons in this climate would be just as interesting and just as weird. Just raising humans in this climate, li- what no one's ever done before. Raising, raising kids with full-time electronics and the internet from the time they're babies. You know? What's the good stuff is, you can't bullshit people as much. You know? There's, like, a- a- access to information. Like we're trying to figure out today, just now, how many people died in the 1918 flu. And you said it best. You're like, "There's no un- unanswered questions anymore."

Jessimae Peluso 3:52 There's no ... You can't ponder.

Joe Rogan 3:54 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 3:54 Wondering and wonderment is a thing of the past. It's gone.

Joe Rogan 3:57 It's, it's still there, but you got ... You can get answers, you know?

Jessimae Peluso 4:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:01 It's like you could search shit down and get answers, but I didn't ... So what do we ... What was it? The number? Like, 50 million died in the 1918 flu?

Jessimae Peluso 4:08 Yeah, totally. That's, that's ... I mean, that's a huge number.

Joe Rogan 4:11 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 4:11 But the thing that we were talking about also is ... I d- I guess I just don't under- ... I understand that this disease has a lot of unknown factors, but there are so many other things that are detrimental to our society that it's wild that this ... It took this sort of situation to bring everything to a screeching halt globally.

Joe Rogan 4:29 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 4:29 It's a little scary. And it's scary that we're using so much resources to deal with it. I know we need to, but then, okay, after this are we gonna start to apply those resources to deal with, you know, child sex trafficking that happens in the country, to deal with homelessness, to deal with these other issues?

Joe Rogan 4:44 Mm-hmm.

Jessimae Peluso 4:44 Is this gonna be a sort of kickstarter to be like, "Okay, let's get our shit together as a global society instead of living in our own tribal existences," which doesn't work. It doesn't work anymore.

Joe Rogan 4:55 Whoa, Jessie May, you're going off.

Jessimae Peluso 4:56 I'm sorry. You made me hi- ... You made me smoke the blunt.

Joe Rogan 4:59 Yeah, but you're right.

Jessimae Peluso 4:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:59 You're right. Maybe that is what we'll do next. Maybe ... Listen, 500,000 people in this country alone die prematurely because of cigarettes. And we're just like, "Well, you know, whatever." Imagine if it was Kool-Aid. If Kool-Aid was killing half a million a year.

Jessimae Peluso 5:13 Well, Kool-Aid is.

Joe Rogan 5:13 Imagine if Diet Coke, but it's not.

Jessimae Peluso 5:15 Sugar kills a lot of fuckers.

Joe Rogan 5:17 But it's ... Yeah, but you can ... Yeah, but ... Yes, it does. It does, but not as clearly as cigarettes. Like, you can be healthy and occasionally enjoy Kool-Aid. Like, I don't think-

Jessimae Peluso 5:27 I agree, but don't you think sugar's just as addictive as nicotine?

Joe Rogan 5:29 It's very addictive. You're right. There's a good point, but-

Jessimae Peluso 5:31 I think if we look at it from a broader spectrum, it ... It ... They're both equally as bad and kill just as many people.

Joe Rogan 5:37 They do kill a lot of people.

Jessimae Peluso 5:37 But I see what you're saying.

Joe Rogan 5:38 I don't think they kill as many, 'cause I think heart attacks is higher right now. I guess you would have to lump diabetes in there, too, right?

Jessimae Peluso 5:44 You would, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 5:45 Oh, so, oh, heart attacks, strokes, diabetes.

Jessimae Peluso 5:46 And what's the highest killer? Heart attacks.

Joe Rogan 5:49 Heart attacks, uh, was number one until COVID. COVID took the number one spot on the chart.

Jessimae Peluso 5:53 (laughs) Woo!

Joe Rogan 5:54 Coming in at number one, COVID-19.

Jessimae Peluso 5:57 (laughs) Coming in, number 19, straight outta Wuhan. He's quick with the slips.

Joe Rogan 6:02 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 6:02 Killing bitches.

Joe Rogan 6:04 And sneaky.

Jessimae Peluso 6:05 Yeah, sneaky.

Joe Rogan 6:05 Sneaky disease that-... it kills healthy people, and then old people survive it like it's nothing. And then it kills an entire nursing home full of people. And then young people get it and, and die from it. And old people get it and brush it off. And some people have zero symptoms at all, as many as 50% or more.

Jessimae Peluso 6:23 Yeah, it's wild. It's like-

Joe Rogan 6:24 It's-

Jessimae Peluso 6:24 ... the crack of diseases. It doesn't make sense.

Joe Rogan 6:26 It's like a bunch of diseases.

Jessimae Peluso 6:27 It is. It does have a lot of characteristics of multiple diseases, and that's why, that's a scary factor for me. Uh, but I'm always grossed out. I mean, you and I travel. We used to. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:35 Yeah, we used to travel.

Jessimae Peluso 6:36 Remember wh- remember comedy?

Joe Rogan 6:38 But are you enjoying the not flying all the time?

Jessimae Peluso 6:41 Fuck, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:42 How good is it for your body?

Jessimae Peluso 6:43 Dude.

Joe Rogan 6:44 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 6:44 I feel like I look, like, 15 now. I'm like, ah, (claps hands) I'm chilling. I got my, my plumpness back. I'm, sleep is amazing.

Joe Rogan 6:53 Isn't it weird-

Jessimae Peluso 6:53 I don't have to deal with farticles anymore in fucking airplanes.

Joe Rogan 6:56 Oh, God. Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 6:57 Dude, there's so, I don't know what it is about flying. I'm sure it's the pressure and the pressurized cabin.

Joe Rogan 7:01 People love to fart on airplanes.

Jessimae Peluso 7:02 God, they let it rip on airplanes. And that's, that's COVID in my face.

Joe Rogan 7:05 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 7:06 I'm fine with not dealing with the farts anymore.

Joe Rogan 7:08 Imagined if it was killing people, if farts were killing people. If a guy could fart on a plane and half the people on the plane died.

Jessimae Peluso 7:14 Whoa. You should've met my dad. The, the couple of those cookies would've ripped you right out of your seat. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:18 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 7:18 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 7:19 There's something about old man farts.

Jessimae Peluso 7:21 Oh, they're great. They're legendary.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Yeah. Like-

Jessimae Peluso 7:23 You know?

Joe Rogan 7:24 There's something funny about like when you walk into a supermarket right behind an old guy who crop dusted you, and you're like, "You motherfucker."

Jessimae Peluso 7:29 You're not even mad at him, though. You can't be mad at him.

Joe Rogan 7:31 Nope.

Jessimae Peluso 7:32 That, that fart went to Vietnam.

Joe Rogan 7:34 Pro-

Jessimae Peluso 7:34 That was a fart that maybe, you know, fought some wars.

Joe Rogan 7:37 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 7:37 He deserves it.

Joe Rogan 7:38 People that have been through war have gotta be like, "What are we doing?"

Jessimae Peluso 7:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:43 You know what I mean? Like, if you've been through war, and then everyone, "Shut the disease down. People are coughing." Wait.

Jessimae Peluso 7:48 This is what we're worried about?

Joe Rogan 7:50 Obviously, it's a terrible disease. I'm making light of it. But it's a terrible disease some time, which is weird. It's like, you know, car accidents are car accidents, right? You g- your car gets hit by a train, it's the same thing every time.

Jessimae Peluso 8:02 Yeah, it's an isolated situation.

Joe Rogan 8:04 But it's, it's terrible every time.

Jessimae Peluso 8:06 Every time.

Joe Rogan 8:06 This is terrible, like, like a car hitting a train sometimes. People just die. And then for other people, it's literally nothing.

Jessimae Peluso 8:13 Yeah, it's really wild. It's an inconsistent disease. And it's also, uh, I just don't understand how much longer we're gonna be shut down. I mean, the economy is struggling (laughs) so much over this fucking disease.

Joe Rogan 8:25 Not just struggling, like broken.

Jessimae Peluso 8:27 Yes. This broke us.

Joe Rogan 8:28 Like, they're gonna have to rebuild it, and it could take a long time. It scares me listening to these experts talk about it.

Jessimae Peluso 8:34 What scares you the most about the current situation?

Joe Rogan 8:37 Well, it's always gonna be a new disease and loss of life. That's number one, right? So, number one is we're all scared because this disease is super infectious. It's just running through, like, old folks' homes. There was one old folks home, I believe they said 70 people died in this one-

Jessimae Peluso 8:52 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 8:52 ... old folks home.

Jessimae Peluso 8:53 And that's terrible on another level because those people can't bury their family the way they need to or want to.

Joe Rogan 8:58 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 8:58 The grieving process is interrupted by the protocol.

Joe Rogan 9:01 Yeah, you can't even visit them in the hospital.

Jessimae Peluso 9:03 Yeah, that's, that's really brutal. And tha- tha- for that fact, it makes me really sad for families that are losing loved ones like that, older people.

Joe Rogan 9:10 That's why it's so crazy. It's almost like, and this is a ridiculous way to put it, but I'm gonna do it anyway.

Jessimae Peluso 9:15 Do it.

Joe Rogan 9:16 If, if a, if you were a intact, uh, th- if this country was attacked by an invasion of demons-

Jessimae Peluso 9:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:24 ... and they were all interconnected-

Jessimae Peluso 9:24 And we did. It was the Kardashians. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:27 ... but each... (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 9:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:28 Each-

Jessimae Peluso 9:28 It already happened.

Joe Rogan 9:29 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 9:29 It was a fucking genocide for women.

Joe Rogan 9:32 Oh, no.

Jessimae Peluso 9:33 It already happened. (laughs) Sorry. Sorry. Continue. You were making a good point.

Joe Rogan 9:40 Th- that's what it would be like. It's like some people don't even get haunted.

Jessimae Peluso 9:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:43 Some people, some people just get a little bit of a demon, and then some people get the full wrath of Satan himself.

Jessimae Peluso 9:49 That's a good point.

Joe Rogan 9:50 It's just, it's, I was reading about this guy who was on an incubator for more than 30 days. And it was a terrifying account of all the, it was in Massachusetts, of all these different ways they were doing, uh, different methods they were doing to try to revive this guy. And the two thing it made m- f- one thing it made me think is, like, thank God there's people out there that can do this, that know wha- how to s- how to keep a guy like this alive.

Jessimae Peluso 10:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:13 A guy who was a young guy, he was like in his late 30s, I believe, maybe 40s. And he was, uh, married with little kids. And, you know, it was a terrible story, but they figured it out. And they used some crazy machine that wa- it was, uh, bypassing his heart and his lungs. Like, uh, it had to go in through his leg and like, uh, like into, into a major artery I think-

Jessimae Peluso 10:33 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 10:33 ... or something like that. And then they had to keep him, like, basically in a coma, like so that he doesn't move.

Jessimae Peluso 10:39 Like an induced coma to keep him-

Joe Rogan 10:40 Yeah. And then they have-

Jessimae Peluso 10:41 ... so he can heal?

Joe Rogan 10:41 ... they're just trying to pump air into him. Oh my God, it's terrifying.

Jessimae Peluso 10:45 Yeah, that is terrifying. But-

Joe Rogan 10:46 That's why this disease is so strange.

Jessimae Peluso 10:49 It is. I, I laugh because it's, you s- you made a good point about we're lucky to have people who know how to handle this. I feel like that, you know, with social media and everything, those jobs are not as appealing to people. And who knows, in like 50 years if another thing like this, and we're lucky enough to be alive, and it hits us. Insta- Instagram influencers aren't gonna be able to intubate anybody.

Joe Rogan 11:08 Right.

Jessimae Peluso 11:08 You know what I mean? Like, the girl selling fit tea won't be able to help us.

Joe Rogan 11:12 And imagine if your job was, if you thought your job was to help people, which is what most nurses and first responders, I mean, their job is, hey, you know, I'm gonna do a good thing for the, the community. I'm gonna g- do a good thing for people. I'm gonna be there to help people.

Jessimae Peluso 11:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:28 When they're ill, I'm gonna treat them. I'm gonna help them survive and recover. Like, that's a beautiful thing. But to go from that to all of a sudden you're on the front line of this infectious, infectious virus war, and you could get bit.

Jessimae Peluso 11:42 You could get bit, and there's not enough PPE in all these places, and it's really scary.

Joe Rogan 11:46 Oh, that's-

Jessimae Peluso 11:46 That's the scariest part. We don't even have the f- the fucking equipment for these people. How is it possible?

Joe Rogan 11:51 They have more equipment now than they ever had before, but they just never saw this coming. And, you know, there was a, a pandemic department apparently. And it was... What do we know about that? Was it, it was canceled-

Jessimae Peluso 12:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:02 ... during the, the Trump administration? They canceled the pandemic?

Narrator 12:05 I believe, yeah, what I read, (clears throat) excuse me, what I read was that there was like a team in place when, at the transition that-... since that time, which would have been three years ago by now, those, those people are no longer at the jobs that they had. So they would have probably had other positions maybe in the White House or other places.

Joe Rogan 12:20 But does the actual position exist anymore?

Narrator 12:22 I don't ... From what I read, no. Or, like, I don't even know if it was, like, an, an actual position. I think it was-

Joe Rogan 12:27 (laughs)

Narrator 12:27 ... like a team of people-

Joe Rogan 12:28 Hmm.

Narrator 12:28 ... that had other jobs.

Jessimae Peluso 12:28 It's hard to not think about conspiracy when you hear that that team was just shut down, and that department was just shut down and then this happens. I'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but I understand where people might go, "Wait a minute. Hold on."

Joe Rogan 12:43 I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. Yeah. I don't think it's a conspiracy. I think it's incompetence. I think, you know, there's been scientists for years, even Bill Gates. Bill Gates in, I think it was 2015, in a very famous ... It was the 2015 he did that Ted Talk?

Jessimae Peluso 12:54 Oh, yeah. That Ted Talk about saying how it wasn't gonna be, like, war. It was gonna be about a, a m- m- microscopic war.

Joe Rogan 13:00 Yeah, yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 13:01 Which is what we're at right now.

Joe Rogan 13:02 This, I've heard this from so many independent sources. I think that's exactly what it is, really. I think they just didn't see it coming, and it's just incompetence. They, they didn't treat it with the respect that it deserved because it's not in their face.

Jessimae Peluso 13:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:13 Right? If you're, if you're a person deciding what to spend money on, and you're running something like the United States of America-

Jessimae Peluso 13:19 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 13:19 ... there's some fucking wacky decisions you have to make, you know? And someone, whoever it was, made the call that we don't need that. I mean, I don't even know if that's true. Maybe the money was diverted, or it was diverted into some sort of another program or something. But they just didn't see it coming. That's all-

Jessimae Peluso 13:35 I guess it would be hard to see something like this coming, and it's, like, preparing for the thing that you can't imagine would be hard to prepare for.

Joe Rogan 13:42 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 13:42 And it's, it's gonna be an interesting thing, because, like, for our ability to look back at ancient civilizations, it's a little difficult because of the lack of technology available then to record incidents happening.

Joe Rogan 13:53 Right.

Jessimae Peluso 13:53 But for us right now, this is all being recorded. And maybe there'll be a differentiation in the advancements with technology, but I wonder what future generations are going to know and, uh, decipher from this situation that we're in right now. Like, didn't they see that coming? You know, that sort of situation-

Joe Rogan 14:10 Right.

Jessimae Peluso 14:10 ... where they're like, "How did they not see this happening? How did they not know this was gonna happen?"

Joe Rogan 14:15 Well, 'cause we have a really weird inability to pay attention to anything that doesn't affect us immediately.

Jessimae Peluso 14:19 Yeah. That's strange.

Joe Rogan 14:20 So how it is ... It's very strange. But it's a, it's a characteristic of human beings that's probably got some sort of evolutionary benefit. Like, concentrate on what you're concentrating on. Don't see the big picture, because if you see the big picture, you're gonna go, "Why am I even bothering? I'm a finite life form on a planet with a dying star, flirt- floating through infinity, trying not to get eaten."

Jessimae Peluso 14:39 Yeah. You're absolutely right.

Joe Rogan 14:40 Fought-

Jessimae Peluso 14:40 It's a survival mechanism. It-

Joe Rogan 14:42 There's something about it, like, your brain has too much ability to comprehend. And if you comprehend everything, the, like, the ju- just the nature of life itself, the fact that your, your body is this ecosystem with all this different stuff inside you, but because you collectively, like, however they influence you, however your microbiome influences you, collectively are you, and you know that. You just assume that there's one. But meanwhile, it's this crazy fucking world-

Jessimae Peluso 15:12 It is. It's all interconnected.

Joe Rogan 15:12 ... in your body, on your body. It's all interconnected.

Jessimae Peluso 15:15 Do you ever talk to your cells?

Joe Rogan 15:17 No. Do you?

Jessimae Peluso 15:18 (laughs) That's so weird. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:19 Do you talk to your cells?

Jessimae Peluso 15:20 I do. I t- I, I say that, like, in a sense of, I thank, I thank my existence and my being for, for taking care of me.

Joe Rogan 15:29 Dude.

Jessimae Peluso 15:29 Like, I express gratitude to myself on a, on a microscopic level, on a, on a molecular level.

Joe Rogan 15:35 Like talking to plants and making them grow.

Jessimae Peluso 15:37 I talk to my plants. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:39 They say that that's real, right? Like, if you play plants music, they actually grow better.

Jessimae Peluso 15:43 Yeah. I wonder if there's plants that like Cardi B.

Joe Rogan 15:45 Am I just making up-

Jessimae Peluso 15:46 Or if it's all just, like ...

Narrator 15:47 No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:48 That's ... Is that real?

Jessimae Peluso 15:48 No, it's real. Yeah.

Narrator 15:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:49 But there, was there a study on that?

Jessimae Peluso 15:50 Absolutely.

Narrator 15:51 There was. I did it. Yup, yup, yup.

Joe Rogan 15:51 But though that-

Jessimae Peluso 15:52 That they grow more flourishly, they, they, uh, flourishly. Is that a word? Uh, they, they flourish more with, with music in their growing process.

Joe Rogan 15:58 Have you ever been high in a grow op?

Jessimae Peluso 16:01 I don't even know what you just said to me.

Joe Rogan 16:02 High in a grow op, like a grow op, where they're-

Jessimae Peluso 16:04 Oh, a grow, oh, yeah, no. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:05 ... growing weed, walking through weed high.

Jessimae Peluso 16:07 Oh, actually, yes, I take it back. My partner's grow op, I was inside-

Joe Rogan 16:10 Ooh.

Jessimae Peluso 16:10 ... a little bit stoned. It feels nice.

Joe Rogan 16:12 Yes. One of the earliest studies of the effect of music on plants was conducted in 1962 by Dr. T.C. Singh, head of botany and at, uh, Animalia, Animalia University. He exposed balsam plants to classical music and found that their growth rate increased by 20% compared to a control group, along with 72% increase in biomass.

Jessimae Peluso 16:34 Wow.

Joe Rogan 16:35 72% increase in biomass from playing music.

Jessimae Peluso 16:40 But even that 20%, that's a huge, huge number. And imagine, like, what that does to plants. I mean, we already know there's science that it helps, uh, babies and, you know, fetuses and, and babies inside the womb to listen to classical music and things like that, so it's interesting. I wonder what the, the, uh, uh, rate of, of helping a baby grow is, what the percentage is.

Joe Rogan 17:00 No shit, right? I wonder if you could play Beethoven for your kid when it's, like, a tiny little baby who's in the crib, what if it increases its intelligence?

Narrator 17:07 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 17:07 I wonder, uh, uh, I wonder if it would.

Joe Rogan 17:10 Dun, dun, dun.

Jessimae Peluso 17:10 Do you think it would? (laughs)

Narrator 17:11 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 17:11 I mean, would be an exercise, right? 'Cause the kid would be follow along- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:15 ... with these beats. See, the thing to, like, really complex classical music is, like, look, I, I don't know about you, but I don't play shit. I have zero musical talent at all.

Jessimae Peluso 17:23 I do ... I have no- none.

Joe Rogan 17:25 So-

Jessimae Peluso 17:25 I mean, I can do, like, a, a f- a finger flute.

Joe Rogan 17:27 I love the fact that I don't know anything about how they do it. So I could just enjoy it, like, just enjoy the music without thinking about the technical details of it.

Jessimae Peluso 17:35 Yeah. It must be a little stressful if you know how it goes-

Joe Rogan 17:38 Right, right, right. Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 17:38 ... to obsess over that, over the notes.

Joe Rogan 17:40 Oh, yeah. It'd be like us with j- comics.

Jessimae Peluso 17:42 (laughs) You're like, "Why the fuck did he do that?"

Joe Rogan 17:44 "Wh- " yeah, yeah. Right?

Jessimae Peluso 17:44 "Why would he go that way? Why wouldn't he go this way?"

Joe Rogan 17:46 Or, you know what it'd be like? It would be like us if you're watching someone play a comic in a movie.

Jessimae Peluso 17:51 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 17:51 Right?

Jessimae Peluso 17:52 Yeah. You're like, "You did it all wrong."

Joe Rogan 17:53 Right. Yeah. You'd be like-

Jessimae Peluso 17:54 "Tha- that was so terrible."

Joe Rogan 17:56 So if you were a guitarist, and then they're doing a movie on Hendrix, like, what are you gonna do with the fingers? What do you do?

Jessimae Peluso 18:04 Uh.

Joe Rogan 18:04 'Cause you're not gonna trick people.

Jessimae Peluso 18:05 Flap 'em around aimlessly.

Joe Rogan 18:06 But you, yeah. You're not gonna ... You have to actually know how to play guitar-

Jessimae Peluso 18:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:09 ... if you wanna play Hendrix in a movie. Am I right?

Jessimae Peluso 18:11 I'm just laughing 'cause, like-

Narrator 18:12 Yes and no. There's, yo- you're right, but also, so many people have such different technique that you'd look at somebody and be like, "That's not, that's not how you play that." But you hear it and it sounds exactly right.

Joe Rogan 18:20 Let me, let me give props to someone-

Jessimae Peluso 18:21 Yeah, because of the way they develop their dexterity.

Joe Rogan 18:23 ... who faked it better than almost anybody. Will Smith when he played Muhammad Ali.... I wanna, I wanna say faked it.

Narrator 18:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:29 I so- would say acted his ass off.

Jessimae Peluso 18:30 Right, impersonated.

Joe Rogan 18:31 Became like a boxer. Like, I've seen so many fights, when someone moves, you go, "Oh, come on with that."

Jessimae Peluso 18:37 Oh, you're talking about the actual choreography of his movement.

Joe Rogan 18:40 He became his movement.

Jessimae Peluso 18:41 See, I never saw that movie, but I know it was a good one. I, I thought you were gonna say, like, 'cause we're talking about music, like Jamie Foxx with Ray, but I don't know-

Joe Rogan 18:49 Oh, he's fanta-

Jessimae Peluso 18:49 ... you know. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:50 That guy can do anything.

Jessimae Peluso 18:51 I know Jamie Foxx is amazing.

Joe Rogan 18:52 He's we- weirdly talented.

Jessimae Peluso 18:53 Yeah, he is.

Joe Rogan 18:53 If you listen to his voice, you're like, "Whoa, you can do that too?"

Jessimae Peluso 18:56 Yeah. He is a very, very talented dude, very funny. (laughs)

Narrator 19:00 He did the cello thing too, though. Like, he, like, made you s- made it seem like he was learn... Maybe he did, but a master cello player in that movie-

Joe Rogan 19:07 Yeah.

Narrator 19:07 ... with Robert Downey Jr.

Joe Rogan 19:08 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 19:08 That's right, the guy-

Joe Rogan 19:09 Yes.

Narrator 19:09 Yes.

Jessimae Peluso 19:09 ... was, like, homeless.

Joe Rogan 19:10 Yes.

Narrator 19:10 I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head.

Joe Rogan 19:11 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 19:11 I can... What was the name? We can Google it, Jamie. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:14 Yeah. But see, he can really do that. Like, it's not like, like, if someone asked me to play a guitarist. I've s- I don't know what you're supposed to do with your hand. It's gonna be like-

Jessimae Peluso 19:23 (laughs) I don't know what to do with my hand. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:24 (laughs) You ever see a movie where you could tell someone doesn't really smoke, and they're smoking cigarettes in a movie?

Jessimae Peluso 19:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:29 But it just looks so-

Jessimae Peluso 19:31 Unnatural.

Joe Rogan 19:31 ... awkward in their hand.

Jessimae Peluso 19:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:32 I've heard actors talk about that too. Like, they'll actually ... if their character smokes cigarettes, they'll actually smoke cigarettes-

Jessimae Peluso 19:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:39 ... so that they can get comfortable with the fact they have a cigarette. And even then, they feel like a fake.

Jessimae Peluso 19:43 Well, I think c- because so much of our mechanism is dependent upon our personality type, you know? It's not necessarily everyone smokes a certain way. It's just, like, how do you stand? Like, where are you ... Are you leaning or how do you eat, you know?

Joe Rogan 19:55 I think there's a-

Jessimae Peluso 19:55 If you have bad posture, it's gonna affect the way you do things.

Joe Rogan 19:57 There's a thing that you can see in someone that's doing something awkward. There's a weird thing, if they're not really good at it. And it's like, um ... Like, I play pool. And when you watch someone play pool in a movie and he's supposed to be an amazing pool player, you're like, "Bitch, get the fuck outta here."

Jessimae Peluso 20:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:11 "This guy's doing everything wrong." Like, everything's all clunky and, like, you can't ... That guy can't play.

Jessimae Peluso 20:15 Do you like that Martin Scorsese movie?

Joe Rogan 20:16 You can see it in seconds. Which one, The Hustler?

Jessimae Peluso 20:18 Y- no, with, um, with-

Joe Rogan 20:19 T- Color Of Money? Oh, that's right.

Jessimae Peluso 20:20 Color Of Money.

Joe Rogan 20:21 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 20:21 It's a classic-

Joe Rogan 20:22 Oh, it's amazing.

Jessimae Peluso 20:23 ... pool, pool movie.

Joe Rogan 20:24 Yeah, that's an-

Jessimae Peluso 20:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:24 ... amazing movie. It's an amazing movie.

Jessimae Peluso 20:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:25 That's actually the sequel to The Hustler.

Jessimae Peluso 20:27 Oh.

Joe Rogan 20:28 Yeah, The Hustler ... Uh, I've read the books. The really book ... I forgot ... Who's the author? I forget the author.

Jessimae Peluso 20:33 You read a lot. Do you ... When did you-

Joe Rogan 20:35 I don't read much-

Jessimae Peluso 20:36 ... have time before?

Joe Rogan 20:37 ... anymore. Mostly what I do is listen to books on tape.

Jessimae Peluso 20:39 Mm. Is that considered reading? I mean, you must-

Joe Rogan 20:41 It's a good question. Donna Rawlings says no. (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 20:44 (laughs) Don Ellsley-

Joe Rogan 20:45 Don Ellsley's like, "Wait!"

Jessimae Peluso 20:46 ... no, he's such a hater. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:46 "You listen, you listen and you say you read?" (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 20:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:50 And Ari Shaffir said the same thing too.

Jessimae Peluso 20:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:52 Ari Shaffir wrote on my Instagram, uh, something, some fucking comment.

Narrator 20:57 He said that books don't have tracks or something like that.

Joe Rogan 20:58 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Narrator 20:59 Come on, bitch.

Jessimae Peluso 20:59 That's funny. But I mean, if you're in school and you're-

Joe Rogan 21:01 We were all-

Jessimae Peluso 21:01 ... getting a lecture, you're learning.

Joe Rogan 21:03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, it's not, it's not the same, but I can do it when I work out. So I can listen to books while I work out.

Jessimae Peluso 21:09 Do you think you retain information better when you're, like, working out and doing physical exerting things, physically exerting things?

Joe Rogan 21:15 No, I think you retain the most information when you're sitting there concentrating on retaining information.

Jessimae Peluso 21:19 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 21:19 You retain less, but you, um, you can still do it.

Jessimae Peluso 21:23 You seem really able to acquire and retain a lot of information.

Joe Rogan 21:28 It's scattered though. It's like I have, um ... All my hard drives are fucked up.

Jessimae Peluso 21:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:34 Dude, I'm like-

Jessimae Peluso 21:34 Are you running on an old Dell processor?

Joe Rogan 21:36 Oh yeah, I'm supposed to ... I have a chimpanzee's brain, right?

Jessimae Peluso 21:38 A chimpanzee?

Joe Rogan 21:38 I'm supposed to, I'm supposed to have m- you know, like, a few categories of things that I concentrate on. That's what my, my brain's designed for. But I've taken it like, uh ... Like, if you're trying to put a big engine in a Volkswagen Bug, I'm just cramming information instead of, instead of horsepower. I'm trying to cram information-

Jessimae Peluso 21:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:55 ... in this chimp brain.

Jessimae Peluso 21:56 Do you get headaches from it?

Joe Rogan 21:58 Oh, every day.

Jessimae Peluso 21:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:59 No, lucky I don't get headaches.

Jessimae Peluso 22:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:01 I've had friends that have had migraines, and it seems like probably one of the, the most disturbing things you can experience.

Jessimae Peluso 22:06 Yeah, there's so many other physical, um, symptoms that are associated with migraines that just m- ... The migraine itself, everything else seems so much worse.

Joe Rogan 22:15 I've had friends that say it's, like, literally like their head's in a vice and it, it'll last for an hour.

Jessimae Peluso 22:20 Yeah, that's brutal.

Joe Rogan 22:21 And there's-

Jessimae Peluso 22:21 Do you have any, like, physical issues? I know you have, like, a, like, a joint issue or a bad knee or something?

Joe Rogan 22:26 I've always got something wrong.

Jessimae Peluso 22:28 From, from fighting?

Joe Rogan 22:29 Yeah. There's always something wrong. Just from-

Jessimae Peluso 22:30 Well, is there, is there anything congenital?

Joe Rogan 22:32 No, no, nothing. No. Everything was just from just use and abuse. But, like, I'm 52, and for most guys that are 52 that still get involved in jujitsu, they've got a bunch of surgeries. Most guys have, like, back surgery or shoulder surgery or knee surgery. Almost every guy that I know that gets into, like, his 40s and 50s from jujitsu-

Jessimae Peluso 22:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:53 ... b- he probably just-

Jessimae Peluso 22:53 It must be, like ... Is it, like, a midlife crisis choice where you're just like, "I gotta, I gotta try this thing and challenge myself. I'm a man. I gotta get in the ring."

Joe Rogan 23:00 You could use it that way, but it's more like a life challenge.

Jessimae Peluso 23:03 Mm.

Joe Rogan 23:04 The way I look at it, it's like a really difficult thing to do. And in doing really difficult things, it increases your capacity to do other things. And it also occupies your mind with real drama. It's really dangerous.

Jessimae Peluso 23:17 What do you mean by by real drama?

Joe Rogan 23:19 It's really dangerous. It's really dangerous.

Jessimae Peluso 23:20 Mm.

Joe Rogan 23:20 I mean, it's not dangerous in the fact that you're gonna get hurt. You might get hurt, but it's ... Most, most of the time when you train, you don't. But I mean, it's dangerous in that this guy's trying to kill you. He will tap you out. You'll tap, and you'll give up, and then you go again. You're not gonna die, you're not gonna get hurt, but the reality is, he could've killed you. If somebody gets you in an arm bar, they're going to break your fucking arm. If they get you in a triangle, they're gonna put you to sleep and strangle you to death.

Jessimae Peluso 23:44 Are you flirting?

Joe Rogan 23:45 That's-

Jessimae Peluso 23:46 (laughs) That sounds great.

Joe Rogan 23:50 My point, Jessie Mae-

Jessimae Peluso 23:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:51 ... is that when you do that, it makes other things easier.

Jessimae Peluso 23:54 I get it, it's a-

Joe Rogan 23:55 It makes other things seem trivial.

Jessimae Peluso 23:56 It's a ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:57 The, the people that get good at jujitsu, men and women, they have a, a tolerance for the hardships of life that's built into them from training sessions that other people don't have. When you're constantly ... You're, you're a woman, you're constantly grappling with this other bitch who's just trying to kill you. You're good friends, and they're getting on top of you, and she's trying to strangle you, she's trying to get you in a rear naked choke, and you're like, "Not today, motherfucker." And you're, you're doing this all the time, like regular nonsense out in the street.

Jessimae Peluso 24:23 Yeah, it must be a great way-

Joe Rogan 24:24 Seems trivial.

Jessimae Peluso 24:25 ... to focus your stresses and angers in your everyday existence and sort of-... funnel them into this.

Joe Rogan 24:30 Instead of that, I think it avoids a lot of the anger.

Jessimae Peluso 24:34 Mm.

Joe Rogan 24:34 I think a lot of, like, frustration that a lot of people have, the tension, is, like, built-up energy that they need to expand. They need to expel. They need to get it out of their system and they don't get a chance to.

Jessimae Peluso 24:45 No.

Joe Rogan 24:45 They're stuck in offices, they're stuck in their car, they're stuck at home. Wherever they are.

Jessimae Peluso 24:49 I don't know if it's not they don't get a chance to, they don't decide to implement it into their life somehow.

Joe Rogan 24:53 Tsk. There is that too.

Jessimae Peluso 24:54 'Cause there's a choice to make.

Joe Rogan 24:55 There is.

Jessimae Peluso 24:55 And I realize there are limitations to people's lives in certain situations, but it's a choice to implement something like this where you can deal with your anger.

Joe Rogan 25:03 For sure. For sure, but-

Jessimae Peluso 25:03 I mean, anger is necessary.

Joe Rogan 25:04 Here's why it's a weird choice. It, it is a choice, but, you know, it's not normal or healthy to sit in a chair all day.

Jessimae Peluso 25:11 No, it's not.

Joe Rogan 25:11 And everybody is being forced to do that. And it's a w- it is a weird thing to decide that we gotta do.

Jessimae Peluso 25:16 I mean, that's why there's so many suicides in, in Chinese culture. Isn't that... Like, in Japanese cultures too?

Joe Rogan 25:22 Well, they just... It's crazy hours too, right?

Jessimae Peluso 25:23 Because... Yeah, but they're sitting in a, in a desk all day long-

Joe Rogan 25:25 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 25:25 ... jumping out of their windows because of the stress of the work week.

Joe Rogan 25:28 Just ah! Imagine the feeling when you make that jump.

Jessimae Peluso 25:33 You probably regret it.

Joe Rogan 25:34 You are like, "Fuck this job." Yah!

Jessimae Peluso 25:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:37 Like, that is-

Jessimae Peluso 25:37 There's no way you're, each time, you're like-

Joe Rogan 25:39 Whoo!

Jessimae Peluso 25:39 ... "This was a good choice."

Joe Rogan 25:40 (laughs) Each time? (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 25:41 (laughs) Milk was a bad choice-

Joe Rogan 25:43 Whoo!

Jessimae Peluso 25:43 ... and so was jumping out of the window.

Joe Rogan 25:46 (sighs) Boy, that's a crazy way to go.

Jessimae Peluso 25:48 It is. What-

Joe Rogan 25:48 But how crazy is that Foxconn place where they make the iPhones? They had to put nets around it 'cause so many people were jumping. (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 25:53 I mean, at least they're evolving, you know? Would be fun if they put a trampoline, then you can just kinda jump around-

Joe Rogan 25:58 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 25:58 ... and deal with your emotions and that. You're like, "Oh, I guess, uh, it was a good thing-"

Joe Rogan 26:01 Oh.

Jessimae Peluso 26:01 "... that I didn't do it, that I didn't die." What-

Joe Rogan 26:04 They have dorms there and everything. Like, why can't we make an American cellphone? Is that impossible? Or would we-

Jessimae Peluso 26:09 No, it's not.

Joe Rogan 26:09 ... have to pollute everything?

Jessimae Peluso 26:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:11 Like (laughs) here's the thing. It's like wh- no, no bullshit. Like, no bullshit.

Jessimae Peluso 26:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:15 I don't know why everything gets made over there other than cheap labor. And-

Jessimae Peluso 26:20 That's why it is.

Joe Rogan 26:21 But the other question could be, is it also because they don't have the same environmental concerns?

Jessimae Peluso 26:26 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 26:26 'Cause I know, and I know that if you're in some of those cities, the, the smog is fucking insane, right? Some of the worst, um, air conditions in the world you'll, you'll experience in these cities where they make all this shit.

Jessimae Peluso 26:38 Yeah, they don't give a fuck about the, about nature.

Joe Rogan 26:40 Like... Yeah. Like, uh, here's the deal. Can we even have all the stuff we have over here and make it over here?

Jessimae Peluso 26:47 And not have all that waste?

Joe Rogan 26:48 And not pollute the world?

Jessimae Peluso 26:49 Well, sh-

Joe Rogan 26:50 Like, is that-

Jessimae Peluso 26:50 Can I ask you a question? Don't you think-

Joe Rogan 26:52 Sure, but we should answer that one first.

Jessimae Peluso 26:53 Oh, yeah. We should answer that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:54 We gotta figure out if this is true.

Jessimae Peluso 26:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:55 Does this make any sense?

Jessimae Peluso 26:57 It does, it does make sense b- but don't you think we make too much shit? Do we need a new car every year?

Joe Rogan 27:02 No, we don't need a new phone every year either.

Jessimae Peluso 27:04 We don't need new shit every year.

Joe Rogan 27:06 Like-

Jessimae Peluso 27:06 And you talk about the waste that it's producing.

Joe Rogan 27:08 I got an iPhone 11 and you could have this for five years. Like, if this is all I could do on the phone, is call and, and make pictures and fucking shit that you do normally and send text messages, why do I nee- do I really need something better than this?

Jessimae Peluso 27:21 Right. Why do we need a new one?

Joe Rogan 27:22 Why can't you just keep making this? Just keep making this.

Jessimae Peluso 27:25 Right. I, I don't, I think we're-

Joe Rogan 27:26 But will one day-

Jessimae Peluso 27:26 ... we're produ- producing too much.

Joe Rogan 27:28 We're gonna be intertwined with this thing.

Jessimae Peluso 27:30 Fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:30 You, you were talking about that app, about the tracking, the COVID tracking.

Jessimae Peluso 27:34 The, the... Ugh. Which is just... It sounds scary to me.

Joe Rogan 27:37 Yeah, get the fuck outta here with that.

Jessimae Peluso 27:38 That's some NSA shit. That's really scary.

Joe Rogan 27:40 They're gonna keep going. This is what things do. They g- Like, if y- It's your job to try to do something like this, to try to implement something where you can get people to agree to tracking. If it's your job to do that, you're gonna keep going.

Jessimae Peluso 27:54 Yes, you are.

Joe Rogan 27:54 Once y- once you, once you get that tracking, then you're gonna want some new shit. Then you'll want cameras in front of people's houses to see if they really are quarantining. You know they're doing that in China.

Jessimae Peluso 28:02 Yes.

Joe Rogan 28:02 This guy just got back from a trip in China. They gave him a 14-day-

Jessimae Peluso 28:05 Sorry.

Joe Rogan 28:05 ... quarantine and they put a fucking camera right in front of his door.

Jessimae Peluso 28:08 That's weird.

Joe Rogan 28:09 And he's like, he's like, "Whoa." Like, "You're not going anywhere for 14 days and we're watching you."

Jessimae Peluso 28:14 It's also strange for people in politics to encourage society to snitch on people. That's weird.

Joe Rogan 28:20 Ugh.

Jessimae Peluso 28:20 That's a level of, of tracking.

Joe Rogan 28:22 Well, that's our mayor. That's our mayor.

Jessimae Peluso 28:23 I know, but, uh, don't you think that's fucking weird and wrong?

Joe Rogan 28:26 Well, it's w- It's weird and wrong, but it's even worse if you're offering rewards.

Jessimae Peluso 28:30 That's right.

Joe Rogan 28:31 If you're saying, i- if you're saying, "And usually snitches get stitches, but this time they get rewards."

Jessimae Peluso 28:35 "You guys are gonna get riches." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:40 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 28:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:41 (claps)

Jessimae Peluso 28:41 You know what it is, Joe? Honestly-

Joe Rogan 28:43 What is it?

Jessimae Peluso 28:44 ... it's be- it's, it's a behavior change.

Joe Rogan 28:46 Mm.

Jessimae Peluso 28:46 It's a weird step towards this tracking system that's going to be implemented that-

Joe Rogan 28:51 Right.

Jessimae Peluso 28:52 ... they're starting to be like, "Oh, it's okay. We're going to reinforce you guys being stitches. It's f- It's snitches. It's fine. Here's a little treat for you. Here's 500 bucks for letting me know that Karen was out not doing the proper protocol." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:05 Meanwhile, there's, there haven't been that many deaths r- r- like, relatively to what they thought there were going to be. And so, that means it's a success. So that means the way it's been implemented so far has been a success. Like, you're g- can you get more aggressive with it, even though the-

Jessimae Peluso 29:20 Why?

Joe Rogan 29:20 ... numbers are way lower than we thought they were going to be?

Jessimae Peluso 29:22 What are we doing, George?

Joe Rogan 29:24 We're, we're doing the right thing. Understand that it's hard for people if just, you know... K- Keep an eye on each other. Don't let people do stupid shit. You shouldn't have fucking parties, but you also shouldn't give people rewards to snitch.

Jessimae Peluso 29:35 No, that's not helping.

Joe Rogan 29:36 You know, don't have one in house... I saw a Houseparty the other day where people had masks on.

Jessimae Peluso 29:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:39 So, someone put it up on their Instagram. I'm like-

Jessimae Peluso 29:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:41 ... "This is cra-" It might've been Lil Duval. Little Duval has the best-

Jessimae Peluso 29:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:45 ... he's the best Instagram follower out there.

Jessimae Peluso 29:46 It's s- it's so good. It's so good.

Joe Rogan 29:48 And, and he posts all day long. He's just getting high and posting.

Jessimae Peluso 29:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:51 Lil Duval-

Jessimae Peluso 29:52 Living the best life.

Joe Rogan 29:53 ... posts the funniest shit.

Jessimae Peluso 29:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:55 He posts the funniest shit, but he-

Jessimae Peluso 29:56 He really does. The Houseparty was f- packed.

Joe Rogan 29:58 Yeah, it was a hou- it was a packed Houseparty and I th- I think it said something like, "If these people ain't dead in 14 days, I'ma go out."

Jessimae Peluso 30:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:06 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 30:06 But also, like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:08 'Cause these people are partying with masks on. Like, it's so crazy.

Jessimae Peluso 30:11 They're partying in my apartment as well. Like, not my per- where I personally live-

Joe Rogan 30:15 The building?

Jessimae Peluso 30:16 But the building, people have been having Houseparties.

Joe Rogan 30:19 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 30:19 Having them. Chilling. I hear there's a Cards Against Humanity happening a lot.

Joe Rogan 30:23 Oh, my God.

Jessimae Peluso 30:24 It's, it's wild. And i- like-

Joe Rogan 30:26 Did you see the beach? Oh, there's the b- there it is right there.

Jessimae Peluso 30:28 Look at!

Joe Rogan 30:29 There's the beach.

Jessimae Peluso 30:29 Look at the dude with the mask.

Joe Rogan 30:31 If don't nobody from this house party die in 14 days, I'm going outside. (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 30:36 And also-

Joe Rogan 30:36 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 30:37 ... why is it so bright? Wh- It looks more-

Joe Rogan 30:39 It's-

Jessimae Peluso 30:39 ... like a meeting that just let out in a, in a, in a business. (laughs) Where are they?

Joe Rogan 30:44 Well, maybe it is. Maybe this is bullshit.

Jessimae Peluso 30:46 (laughs) That's the thing, like-

Joe Rogan 30:48 Or maybe someone turned the lights on and took a picture.

Jessimae Peluso 30:50 How do we know... These photos, so many photos are doctored-

Joe Rogan 30:53 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 30:53 ... like you talked about the, the picture from the w- the beach. How do we even know what date that's from? I'm sure a lot of these things you can sort of track, but... Then they posted a picture about, you know, the stay, the anti-stay-at-home protestors. It was a photo from, like, an election from 2011, one thing I saw.

Joe Rogan 31:08 I think that's just lazy journalism. They're just clickbait people, but-

Jessimae Peluso 31:11 That's interesting. That is.

Joe Rogan 31:12 ... did you see the deepfake of Biden's tongue?

Jessimae Peluso 31:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:15 Did you see that?

Jessimae Peluso 31:17 No.

Joe Rogan 31:18 There's, there's a crazy-

Jessimae Peluso 31:18 That sounds like a porno category.

Joe Rogan 31:19 There's a crazy deepfake-

Jessimae Peluso 31:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:21 ... where they took Biden, his, his thing where he's doing this press conference, and they made him move his eyebrows and stick his tongue out in this really wacky way. And when I saw it, I was like, "Is he really doing that?" And I'm like, "I don't know if this is real or not." So I think I retweeted it. I'm like, "What is this?"

Jessimae Peluso 31:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:37 You know, I just like, just sent it out there to the universe.

Jessimae Peluso 31:40 What, somebody tell me what this is.

Joe Rogan 31:41 Yeah. And then, um, someone wrote a thing about is, you know, this deepfake. What, what did it say, was the article? Like, the beginning to the end of democracy or something like that. But it's, uh, it's really wi- Have, do you want me to send it to you?

Narrator 31:54 No, no. I, I f- sorry, I've ... Jesus. I found it. I'm looking at ... I guess calling it a deepfake might be mis-

Joe Rogan 32:02 It's not a deepfake?

Narrator 32:02 ... mis- not misleading, but yeah, it's not technically a deepfake. But it's not accurate either. It's a, it's like manipulation.

Jessimae Peluso 32:09 But it didn't really happen?

Joe Rogan 32:10 But, but he, but he didn't really open his tongue like that, right? He didn't-

Narrator 32:12 Yeah, I think that what it, what this is saying-

Joe Rogan 32:14 (laughs)

Narrator 32:14 ... is that he opened his tongue like that, but there's some app you can use to do the rest of the manipulation

Jessimae Peluso 32:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:18 He opened his tongue like a normal open?

Jessimae Peluso 32:22 (laughs) What is that?

Joe Rogan 32:22 That's what I'm s- Can you show, can you show Jesse May?

Narrator 32:24 Well, I was trying to read through it, so I can explain it at the same time.

Joe Rogan 32:26 Jesse May doesn't know what we're talking about.

Jessimae Peluso 32:28 (laughs) Well, it seems like-

Joe Rogan 32:28 You need to see it. Yeah, yeah. You need to see it.

Jessimae Peluso 32:30 (laughs) I can't even.

Narrator 32:31 There's a picture like that. Here's the picture.

Jessimae Peluso 32:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:32 That's a real picture?

Narrator 32:33 I think this picture was real.

Joe Rogan 32:34 Why would you do that?

Jessimae Peluso 32:35 That looks like every housewife in Bel Air, by the way.

Joe Rogan 32:37 Yeah, by the time-

Jessimae Peluso 32:38 His face.

Joe Rogan 32:38 ... they hit 70.

Jessimae Peluso 32:39 Yeah, they're hanging on to it.

Narrator 32:40 This article's on Vice where it says it's not, not everything is a deepfake, but-

Joe Rogan 32:43 For the love of God, not everything is a deepfake.

Narrator 32:45 There's some-

Joe Rogan 32:45 What a great n- title for a arti- or for an article.

Narrator 32:48 This is what-

Jessimae Peluso 32:48 Sloppy Joe is trending? Wow.

Narrator 32:50 Yeah, I think it actually got taken down off Twitter. Now, so ...

Joe Rogan 32:53 (gasps)

Jessimae Peluso 32:53 Oh.

Joe Rogan 32:53 Didn't ... So Trump retweeted that?

Narrator 32:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:55 Did he retw- (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 32:56 (laughs) Tr- Trump, yesterday-

Joe Rogan 32:59 See if you can find it, guy.

Jessimae Peluso 33:00 ... retweeted his own tweet.

Joe Rogan 33:01 I know. (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 33:02 (laughs) Where are we? Like, what is life right now?

Joe Rogan 33:06 See, what people want from him is for him to be like, like his fans. They want him to be this boss guy that doesn't make dumb mistakes.

Jessimae Peluso 33:17 I mean-

Joe Rogan 33:17 But like, if you, if you say something stupid, that's one thing. But if you say something stupid and then try to pretend you didn't say something stupid, now you've doubled down.

Jessimae Peluso 33:26 Are you talking about when he told everybody to boof bleach?

Joe Rogan 33:28 Oh, yeah. Well, well, he said maybe-

Jessimae Peluso 33:30 Or whatever?

Joe Rogan 33:30 ... it was a way to use disinfectant. Now, here, here's what's interesting. He, this cle- it's clearly not, he's not being sarcastic, but then he said he was saying it sarcastic just to you reporters. Like, he's so embattled with the reporters. It's like, I've never seen anything like it.

Jessimae Peluso 33:44 He's embattled with his ego. His ego is the first thing he's embattled with, and any time that's threatened, he can't ... He focuses on that. He's so focused on his, his sensitive ego that everything else falls to the wayside. Like, just running the country, he's like, "Eh, I- I'm busy tweeting my haters right now."

Joe Rogan 34:01 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 34:01 "I'm busy tweeting trolls." For hours.

Joe Rogan 34:05 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 34:05 Can you imagine him, like ... What is he wearing when he's ... Is he in bed in, like, sweatpants? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:09 I hope he's naked.

Jessimae Peluso 34:11 Is he in bed in sweats? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:11 I hope he's in the steam room and he keeps blowing out his iPhones, they keep giving him, "Get me a new one!" (laughs) They get him a new one.

Jessimae Peluso 34:16 Do you think he has ...

Joe Rogan 34:16 He's just in there in the steam room.

Jessimae Peluso 34:19 (laughs) With his belly hanging out.

Joe Rogan 34:21 Chilling.

Jessimae Peluso 34:21 Turning beet red.

Joe Rogan 34:22 Talking shit about Putin. (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 34:23 (laughs) Yeah, fucking Putin. Whatever.

Joe Rogan 34:25 Yeah, talking shit about China and everything. I don't know.

Jessimae Peluso 34:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:29 It's, I, I, I think that guy ne- like, I, I bet he could've never imagined what it was gonna be like to have that job.

Jessimae Peluso 34:35 I-

Joe Rogan 34:36 To be hated that way.

Jessimae Peluso 34:37 No. I, I think he wasn't able to put himself in a, in a category of ever being hated. But that seems to be his biggest downfall and his biggest insecurity, is what people think of him.

Joe Rogan 34:47 But when you're living in conflict, right, so he's in this constant conflict with the press and the reporters when he, when he gives those speeches. When you're living in conflict like that, you're always at, like, seven. You're always on edge. You can't take things from a neutral place. You take things, you're, they're always a bigger front than they really are. The perspective is always off 'cause you're, you're, like, stuck in conflict. It's actually, like, happens to people s- when you, if you grow up in bad neighborhoods. If you grow up in back, bad neighborhoods, there's a, and they've, they've even said that they've done studies. Michael Irvin actually talked to me about this once on a plane flight from Australia. And he was explaining to me that kids that grow up and they're born when, when their mother is going through extreme stress, like the mother lives in a very violent neighborhood and there's violence in the house and things like that. The kid in the womb, it changes the way the kid will approach life, 'cause-

Jessimae Peluso 35:41 That's what I was saying to you before. I was wondering, like, a stressful, like, living in a stressful environment having an effect on the development of the child.

Joe Rogan 35:49 I'm sure it will, but I mean, this is literally they're changing the wiring in the brain while she's pregnant with him.

Jessimae Peluso 35:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:55 Like, it's happening because of the outside world. It's like changing the baby, changing the behavior. Make it the, apparently a, a much quicker, uh, ability to react or instinct to react, like-

Jessimae Peluso 36:07 Constant survival.

Joe Rogan 36:08 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 36:08 On edge.

Joe Rogan 36:08 Being a, being on edge. M-

Jessimae Peluso 36:10 It, it, I think that's definitely also-

Joe Rogan 36:12 Makes sense.

Jessimae Peluso 36:12 ... consistent with, you know, having a rough childhood or a traumatic experience. I definitely went through that experiencing things, you know, as a girl that made me reactive to men until I learned how to, like, n- narrow it down to this one instance and deal with it. It's interesting, like, how you're able to overcome trauma with therapy and behavioral changes. But I think it comes down to that. Like, having traumatic things will always sort of neg- negate-I'm sorry, we're always sort of dictate how you react to things.

Joe Rogan 36:45 Mm-hmm. Sure.

Jessimae Peluso 36:45 Trauma drives the ship for so long until you deal with it and have some sort of therapy. And even then, sometimes, it's difficult to overcome your instinctual response, which is based off of that sort of, you know, um, that experience of, of stress being, influencing how you react.

Joe Rogan 37:03 You know what you were talking about earlier? We were talking about, uh, what kind of an effect is this disease gonna have on people?

Jessimae Peluso 37:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:09 Well, I... M- I'm hoping that it's gonna have an effect on shifting in a way where we understand how, how good we had it, and how recent this is that people have had it good. I think one of the reasons why we're so quick to react to things, like why a child in the womb would be quick to react and, and mo- more v- uh, more... tend to be more violent or react quicker to violence.

Jessimae Peluso 37:32 Or d- be defensive.

Joe Rogan 37:34 Because it needed it for survival-

Jessimae Peluso 37:36 Yeah, it's survival.

Joe Rogan 37:36 ... up until about 400 or 500 years ago, e- everything was a bloodbath.

Jessimae Peluso 37:40 Fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:40 I mean, if you r-... I don't... What's the year?

Jessimae Peluso 37:43 We've had it good.

Joe Rogan 37:43 Yeah, we've had it real fucking good.

Jessimae Peluso 37:44 We've had it so fucking good.

Joe Rogan 37:45 Real fucking good.

Jessimae Peluso 37:46 So f-... I mean, we, we have... All of our needs are instantly met. And, and then because of that, our needs grow because we need more. Like, "Oh, this iPhone 11 isn't good enough. I need an iPhone 24."

Joe Rogan 37:57 We also find more things to complain about. We find more things to be bitter about, but less things to be thankful of. Like, I think, if anything, I hope that when we come back from this, other than the fact that I hope people get their lives in order, is I hope that we get this understanding of how temporary all of this really is.

Jessimae Peluso 38:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:15 And how we just thought because just it existed, because it had always been here, it always will be here. Like, sh-... Th- this is fragile. This is fragile like the Great Barrier Reef, which we fucking-

Jessimae Peluso 38:25 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 38:25 ... killed with hairspray.

Jessimae Peluso 38:27 We fucked that up.

Joe Rogan 38:27 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 38:27 We killed it with... We killed it with hairspray. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:29 That shit's fishing line and-

Jessimae Peluso 38:32 We fucked it up.

Joe Rogan 38:32 ... hairspray and suntan lotion. It's like, "Fuck you. Fuck you."

Jessimae Peluso 38:36 We haven't, we haven't put enough effort into educating ourselves about the things we're consuming, the products we're buying, and the people we're surrounding ourselves with. We sort of had this reckless abandon approach to existence, and I agree with what you're saying. I think, hopefully... I thought about this yesterday when I was hi- on a walk yesterday with my dogs.

Joe Rogan 38:53 Oh, shit.

Jessimae Peluso 38:54 Where I hope... And one thing that I've gotten from this is a humility about existence, a humility about being a human and, and all of the things that we get in just this society, but also in everyday life. Our needs are... have exceeded what we really need to exist. And our, and our, our-

Joe Rogan 39:17 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 39:17 ... our wants are beyond what we really need on a day-to-day basis.

Joe Rogan 39:22 It's greedy.

Jessimae Peluso 39:23 It's so fucking greedy, and it's not serving, it's not serving the community.

Joe Rogan 39:28 It's a trick, too. You, you're tricked into working harder and wanting more, and it's, it's, it's just-

Jessimae Peluso 39:34 Working hard-

Joe Rogan 39:35 It's a trap.

Jessimae Peluso 39:35 ... for some dude you don't know that (laughs) that like cliche thing where you're making money.

Joe Rogan 39:40 It's a job you hate.

Jessimae Peluso 39:41 Job you hate.

Joe Rogan 39:41 Uh, ugh.

Jessimae Peluso 39:42 To get in a car to drive to a house you can't afford-

Joe Rogan 39:45 Ugh.

Jessimae Peluso 39:45 ... to be in a marriage that you haven't put any effort into, and to put the TV on, to put the food that's not good for you in your belly, and rinse and repeat.

Joe Rogan 39:52 The dog's a cunt.

Jessimae Peluso 39:53 The dog's a cunt.

Joe Rogan 39:54 Your goldfish, dead.

Jessimae Peluso 39:55 The dog's not the cunt.

Joe Rogan 39:56 No.

Jessimae Peluso 39:56 Usually it's the spouse.

Joe Rogan 39:57 No, usually.

Jessimae Peluso 39:57 The dog's the saving grace.

Joe Rogan 39:58 Sometimes you can get a fucking rescue dog that's a little bit of a cunt.

Jessimae Peluso 40:02 Yeah, but you can change that with behavioral training.

Joe Rogan 40:04 (laughs) Oh, so

Jessimae Peluso 40:04 It's the same thing as people. You get rescue people.

Joe Rogan 40:06 Yeah, but you can't talk to them. Dogs are j-... Like, it takes too much time.

Jessimae Peluso 40:10 Yeah, it does take a lot of time to train them.

Joe Rogan 40:12 Oh.

Jessimae Peluso 40:12 But it is possible.

Joe Rogan 40:13 When they're puppies, it's easy.

Jessimae Peluso 40:14 It is easy when they're puppies.

Joe Rogan 40:15 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 40:15 You can start from the behavioral... you know, from the ground zero with their behavior, but-

Joe Rogan 40:19 I know you're a big dog freak, though. You must have had like one or two dogs you've adopted. You're like, "Oh, Jesus, what kind of project did I take on?"

Jessimae Peluso 40:26 Yeah, it definitely has been a... I have one, my pit bull, my pit-boxer mix. He's been a, um, a journey. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:32 Hmm.

Jessimae Peluso 40:32 I've had him for like nine years. And when I got him, I got him in Brooklyn in this shelter, and it was like a bully breed shelter, you know, pits and Dobermans and German Shepherds and all the dogs that people are kind of scared of.

Joe Rogan 40:44 Mm-hmm.

Jessimae Peluso 40:45 Uh, and, and there was like three rows of cages that wrapped around this room, and they were all stacked on top of each other. And I just put my hand up against each cage just to see how the dog would react in this stressful... talking about being inside of... a baby being in a womb while the mother's stressful, this is a similar scenario where these dogs are in this room-

Joe Rogan 41:04 Mm-hmm.

Jessimae Peluso 41:04 ... and it's stressful and they're all barking. So, I just put my hand outside each one just to see their reactions, and Carlin was the only one who, when I put my hand in front of his cage, he didn't meet me with aggression. He turned around and showed me his butt and he let me scratch it. I'm like, "This is my dude right here."

Joe Rogan 41:18 Hmm.

Jessimae Peluso 41:19 But to that point, the dog's behavior... I'm sure you know this... in a, in a shelter is not reflective upon how his hav- behavior will be-

Joe Rogan 41:27 Of course.

Jessimae Peluso 41:27 ... or sh-... or what the female dogs will be. So, it took years of training, six years, pff... so much money. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:35 Here's a good question for you. Why is it so fucked up? Why do we feel so bad about that happening to dogs, but we don't feel that same way about it happening to people?

Jessimae Peluso 41:45 I think, I think people do, but, uh, it's also about, like, your personal experience. And, and maybe some people don't feel like they have the, the means or resources or the ability to start to help those other areas. You know what I mean? Like, maybe they don't know how to begin to help, like we were talking about before, um, causes that deal with child sex trafficking, or they don't know how to start. You know, where do they start to help to help homeless people and, and things like that? I think the dog situation is an easier step to feeling like you're contributing a little bit. I know for me, like, that whole thing changed because, um, uh, you know, feeling like I wanted to help and give back more and, and finding purpose. I think it's important in life to find purpose, and maybe that's one of the things that you're talking about. Like, after my dad passed away, I felt like I wanted to have more purpose because it made me realize the value of life-

Joe Rogan 42:39 Mm-hmm.

Jessimae Peluso 42:39 ... and what this is all about. And it's not about-... what can I get? It's what can I give. And so, I, I did research into Alzheimer's and did research into how could I become an advocate and ways that I could inspire and help other people that are dealing with the disease. And, um, i- it's really a statement on turning pain into purpose. And I think that people who get dogs, maybe they don't have a big enough purpose yet. Does that answer the question? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:08 Y- well ... Mm-hmm.

Jessimae Peluso 43:09 Did I go too deep?

Joe Rogan 43:10 Maybe you just like dogs? I love dogs.

Jessimae Peluso 43:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:13 It doesn't have to be so crazy.

Jessimae Peluso 43:14 Well, you know, I like-

Joe Rogan 43:15 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 43:15 ... I know you like to go into the darkness.

Joe Rogan 43:18 The darkness.

Jessimae Peluso 43:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:20 Yeah. No, there's ... Dogs are like little love dispensers, you know?

Jessimae Peluso 43:25 They're great. They're pure love.

Joe Rogan 43:26 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 43:27 They're ... They f- they only function on love and immediate, you know, gratitude. They just wanna lick your face. I mean, my dog crapped on my carpet last night, but that's okay. I'm not taking it personally.

Joe Rogan 43:37 The problem with dogs, I mean, the pound dogs a- at least, is that sometimes, you know, they're in for too long or they're just habituated to it. It's just they're scared. They c- went there because they were abused. But-

Jessimae Peluso 43:50 It takes a lot of effort.

Joe Rogan 43:51 But isn't it crazy that we don't think the same way about people?

Jessimae Peluso 43:54 It is. It's fucked up.

Joe Rogan 43:54 Like people that are in prison for stealing something, we're like, "Fuck them, keep them in the cage." Like, there's something about, like, the ... (sighs) How many people really should be in prison? How many people really, I mean, really-

Jessimae Peluso 44:07 A fraction.

Joe Rogan 44:07 ... really should be in prison?

Jessimae Peluso 44:08 A fraction of what we have.

Joe Rogan 44:09 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 44:10 There's people in there that don't deserve it and it's definitely a systemic issue for sure. And it's a, it's a, it's a, um, almost like a caste issue when it comes to, like, how much money you have. It's definitely, like, a financial issue too.

Joe Rogan 44:23 Right.

Jessimae Peluso 44:23 You know?

Joe Rogan 44:23 Like what, for like, how about non-violent drug offenders, right? Think about that. Non-violent drug offenders, what do they do? They take them, lock them in a cage. But if you're an opiate distributor, if you're a r- if you're a-

Jessimae Peluso 44:35 A rapist.

Joe Rogan 44:36 ... a pill ... No, no. I'm saying if you're like-

Jessimae Peluso 44:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:37 ... a pill company, like OxyContin, you know? What you ... You just get money.

Jessimae Peluso 44:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:41 You just get money. You, you, you kill ... How many million people die every year from OxyContins? I mean how-

Jessimae Peluso 44:48 It's a, it's a, it's a-

Joe Rogan 44:49 What is the, what is the worldwide, uh, opiate death, like s-

Jessimae Peluso 44:52 Is it 100 thou- is it over 100,000?

Joe Rogan 44:55 In this country, I don't think it's quite 100,000 a year.

Jessimae Peluso 44:57 75,000?

Joe Rogan 44:58 Uh, it's a fraction of cigarettes, which is really crazy. (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 45:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:01 Like, it's a fraction. Cigarettes are so bad.

Jessimae Peluso 45:03 They're so, so bad.

Joe Rogan 45:05 They're the worst.

Jessimae Peluso 45:06 But I get what you're saying. It's definitely, uh, y- you know, it's, you know, you're pumping pharmaceuticals and that's okay, but people who are in jail because of marijuana-

Joe Rogan 45:16 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 45:16 ... it's fucking ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 45:17 And, and some of it's just possession in some states.

Jessimae Peluso 45:19 Just, yeah, just having it on you.

Joe Rogan 45:20 Having a couple ounces. CDC's response to the opioid overdose epidemic in 2017-

Jessimae Peluso 45:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:25 More than 70,000 people died from drug overdoses, making it a leading cause of injury-related death in the United States. Out o- out of those deaths, almost 68% involved a prescription or illicit opioid.

Jessimae Peluso 45:38 And a lot of these people who get onto opioids, they never did drugs before.

Joe Rogan 45:43 That's not a word I say with confidence, opioid.

Jessimae Peluso 45:45 Opioid is a tough one. It's a weird-

Joe Rogan 45:46 It's, it's ... That's why when I'm saying it, I'm like, "Are you saying that right? Opioid?" Op- opiate.

Jessimae Peluso 45:48 It's a weird wo- word. It's fucking up the rest of my words.

Joe Rogan 45:51 'Cause it was like opiates, I could say that. Opioid, ooh.

Jessimae Peluso 45:54 And illicit opioid together is a, is a tough grouping.

Joe Rogan 45:57 There's so many people dying of that stuff. And so, yeah-

Jessimae Peluso 46:00 And those are legal ... That's legally prescribed.

Joe Rogan 46:02 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Jessimae Peluso 46:02 We're talking about a, uh-

Joe Rogan 46:03 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 46:03 ... quote-unquote "legal drug" that is on the market. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:06 Yeah. And they try to give it to you too. I had my nose fixed. I had a, uh, deviated septum and they put this thing in my nose and cut out all the scar tissue. It was really bad. Like, uh, I was listening to myself talk from like 30, 20, 20-something years ago, and, uh, I, I was like, "God, I'm so nasally." And I realized that's what it was.

Jessimae Peluso 46:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:25 Like, my nose didn't work. It was useless. I had like one quarter of one nostril that I could get air out of. The rest was all smashed up. So they fixed it, but it really didn't hurt. And I'm not trying to be a tough guy. It really didn't hurt. It just didn't hurt. Like, after it was over, it was like, yeah, my nose is a little numb, but I'm not like, "Ah, I'm in pain." It's like it certainly hurts, but it's not like I need a drug. And the guy offered me two different (laughs) kinds of pills. He offered me like Vicodin and, and Percocets or one of those fucking things. One of them was hardcore, whichever one it was. I was like, "Jesus, man."

Jessimae Peluso 46:59 Don't they get ... I mean, they used to get, you know, perks for prescribing and they would get perks for how much they prescribed out to people.

Joe Rogan 47:06 Th- it must be. It must be because-

Jessimae Peluso 47:07 And there was that whole pain management system that was implemented into our hospitals is also based off of, you know, b- being able to prescribe opioids.

Joe Rogan 47:16 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 47:16 And, and companies were giving kickbacks to hospitals based off of their level of pain. Like if you had higher-

Joe Rogan 47:23 Ugh.

Jessimae Peluso 47:23 ... pain, you would get money because that would equal dollars on the phr- pharmaceutical side of you prescribing the drug.

Joe Rogan 47:30 Really?

Jessimae Peluso 47:31 Yeah. I mean, I read an article.

Joe Rogan 47:33 As long as you got a citation-

Jessimae Peluso 47:35 As long ... (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:35 ... and you pull that article up. (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 47:37 Allegedly.

Joe Rogan 47:38 I mean ... Oh, God.

Jessimae Peluso 47:38 But I did read that.

Joe Rogan 47:39 It's crazy. The doctor didn't e- I mean, he was like trying to ... He was ... Wasn't just encouraging me. He was pushing these things. He's like, "You're gonna need this." And I was like, "Man, everybody told me like, 'Oh my God, it's the worst things ever.'" And apparently, uh, used to be that they would pack your nose up with gauze and then when they pulled the gauze out at the end of like a week or so, it was like really painful. But now they don't even do that. They have like these nose tampons and they just slide right into place and they come out after a week or whatever the fuck it was where I had to keep it in my nose to keep everything open after the surgery. But it was nothing. And this guy was like, "You need pills. You need s-" I'm like, "I'm telling you, it was nothing." Like, it was over, it was like, well, it doesn't feel good, but it's not ... It doesn't hurt.

Jessimae Peluso 48:20 Was he trying to Michael Jackson you? Was this, was this, uh-

Joe Rogan 48:22 I just think they do that with everybody.

Jessimae Peluso 48:24 ... during your ...

Joe Rogan 48:24 They just c- They don't wanna hear you bullshit about pain.

Jessimae Peluso 48:27 No. It gets you in and out.

Joe Rogan 48:27 They don't wanna hear you whine either. Like, "Doctor-"

Jessimae Peluso 48:29 It's a, it's a drive-through.

Joe Rogan 48:30 "My knee is killing me. What to do?" Take those pills I gave you, stupid.

Jessimae Peluso 48:34 I feel like a lot of the medical ... I, I'm, uh ... Let me rephrase that. There are some medical professionals, because I, I do think that i- it's an amazing profession, like you said earlier.... how lucky we are to have these people who wanna help people, as a profession.

Joe Rogan 48:47 Yes.

Jessimae Peluso 48:48 But there are doctors who are lazy. And there are doctors who aren't furthering their education. It's like they go to college and then they become a doctor-

Joe Rogan 48:55 Yes.

Jessimae Peluso 48:55 ... and they get that stamp and that label and then that's it. They don't continue to read and evolve, because information is evolving every day. I mean, look at this COVID crisis. Something new is, is coming about every single day.

Joe Rogan 49:07 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 49:07 And it was really apparent when my mother, she was sick, she had an issue with her heart. And she went into the doctor and then immediately the doctor wants to put her on a bunch of medication. Not once did the doctor ask her about her exercise. Not once did the doctor w- a- ask about how she eats and what her history was with nutrition. Didn't even offer, like, a, um, a, an alternate way for her to eat to sort of build s- her heart strength from within. Just wants to put her right on medication and, to me, that's a big issue with our medical professionals these days, is they're just lazy.

Joe Rogan 49:40 Well, there's, uh, it may be a little bit of that, but also it's like, that you can do. You can get a person on medication. But trying to get a person to get their shit together is fucking way too hard, in most cases.

Jessimae Peluso 49:51 It is way too hard.

Joe Rogan 49:52 Especially if someone's coming to you with, like, health issues. You can look at them and go, "Hey, man. You gotta get your shit together or you're gonna fucking die. Stop eating Twinkies, stop drinking soda all day, come on."

Jessimae Peluso 50:02 I would rather that.

Joe Rogan 50:03 But you can't do that. They not, they're not gonna ... First of all, they probably won't listen. They'll get mad at you. They'll say you're fat and fat-shaming them. You, you can't tell someone that they have to get their shit together and then, boom, they get their shit together. It's, like, a long process.

Jessimae Peluso 50:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:17 And they, they have to be fully onboard.

Jessimae Peluso 50:19 I, I agree with that. I just think it goes further to the doctors being, uh, not having the care or whatever it is to, to at least provide a little bit of information.

Joe Rogan 50:30 But I think to be a doctor, to give, like, a really good holistic approach, like a holistic response, like, "Let's take care of your whole body. Let's not think about this injury, let's think about your whole body and why did this injury happen, why do you get sick, why ... You know, wh- what, what's going on and what can we strengthen? Let's take a look at your nutrition, let's take a look at your lifestyle, let's take a look at the amount of sleep you get." But no one has time for that, Jessie May.

Jessimae Peluso 50:50 I know, no one has time for that.

Joe Rogan 50:51 That's the problem. Like to be a doctor-

Jessimae Peluso 50:53 The system is fucked.

Joe Rogan 50:53 ... like that is really fucking time-consuming. And these doctors are fucking pumping people in and out of their office and they're dealing with insurance and malpractice lawsuits and it's a business. It's a crazy business. And they're still in hock for the fucking student loans they got to go to medical school.

Jessimae Peluso 51:07 Yeah, and they still have to pay those student loans, it's so fucked up, it's-

Joe Rogan 51:10 Shout-out to my friend Steve Graham. He was on, he was fucking struggling with his student loans until he was, like, well into his adulthood. He's an ophthalmologist, and for him, it was just, like, a catastrophic amount of money that you have to spend to go to school.

Jessimae Peluso 51:22 It's so, it's, that's so unfortunate. It really is.

Joe Rogan 51:24 It's crazy.

Jessimae Peluso 51:26 It really is.

Joe Rogan 51:26 It's crazy. You, you send them out of the gate with an incentive to do more surgery because they're all broke.

Jessimae Peluso 51:31 And they're on debt. They're in debt.

Joe Rogan 51:32 They're in debt, in a big way. Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Imagine you gotta catch up to hundreds of thousands of dollars you spent-

Jessimae Peluso 51:39 And you got a wife and a kid or a husband and a kid.

Joe Rogan 51:41 Oh, Jesus, Jessie May.

Jessimae Peluso 51:43 It's so stressful. And then be able to operate or prescribe or to be present-

Joe Rogan 51:49 Or be on the front lines today.

Jessimae Peluso 51:51 ... and to be on the front lines.

Joe Rogan 51:51 Today.

Jessimae Peluso 51:51 But, I mean, a lot of that is the breakdown in the overall system. The overall, you know, healthcare system is completely, it's, it's so disjointed from really keeping people healthy. I know because it's a business, and maybe it's my hippie heart, but isn't there some way we could shake this shit up so that at least it's starting to give people information, knowledge, and tools so that they can have somewhat of a healthier existence?

Joe Rogan 52:17 The problem is people are a lot like dogs in some ways, that-

Jessimae Peluso 52:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:20 ... you know, it's very difficult to learn the bad lessons that you learned when you were young. You know, if you, like, you get a dog from the pound and their life was fucked up and they're all sketchy, that's the same thing with human beings. And it's also the same thing with diet. Like, when people get on a certain d- diet when they're really young and their parents were on this shitty diet, it's fucking hard for you to get them off of that.

Jessimae Peluso 52:40 It's ingrained, it's a part of their-

Joe Rogan 52:41 It's so hard.

Jessimae Peluso 52:42 ... their genetics.

Joe Rogan 52:43 All animals, whether it's humans or dogs or anything, they seem to get trained by their environment. And then once they're trained, once they've sort of adapted to their environment in, in whatever way they had to, it's really hard to get them to shift. It's really hard to get them to change.

Jessimae Peluso 52:57 It's that reinforcement. It's, like, behavior and reinforcement. Like, you have to almost take it upon yourself to recognize why you're doing something and what is it that's reinforcing you to do it.

Joe Rogan 53:07 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 53:07 And that takes a lot of self-awareness and self-work to go, "Oh, I'm doing this." You know?

Joe Rogan 53:15 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 53:15 You know, for, for a lot of girls that I know, I mean, because I have a huge female fan base, when I do Dr. Peluso on Mondays, thanks to you I'm a doctor-

Joe Rogan 53:23 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 53:25 ... uh, I ask, I answer questions for everybody. And sometimes they're medical and I'll Google and try and give a little bit of information, but a lot of times it's girls like, "This guy is such a jerk and, you know, should I text him back?" And you're allowing the assholes into your life to satisfy that void in, inside of you. You know, you're sort of allowing that behavior because then that, the, the negative effect that you have is, like, that reinforcement and it just brings you back into that cycle of, uh, trauma and abuse that you experienced before.

Joe Rogan 53:55 Dude, you, you, that's very deep.

Jessimae Peluso 53:58 I, I, I feel like I can get deep here with you, Joe-

Joe Rogan 54:00 You can.

Jessimae Peluso 54:00 ... and you won't judge me.

Joe Rogan 54:01 No, I don't judge you at all.

Jessimae Peluso 54:02 And as a father of, of daughters, that's why I say, like, "Do you feel, uh, you know, a certain way about raising daughters in this climate?" 'Cause that's my experience and I know what it's like.

Joe Rogan 54:12 I'm a very hopeful person and my hope, uh, not just for my daughters, not for, just for everyone in this room, but for everybody, is that all this stuff is a wake-up call for us. And I think that when we're, we're talking about these deeply-ingrained patterns of behavior that people get into, and that we need to, you know, especially, especially with healthcare but also, also with education and all the things that you, you need to, to keep your body healthy and to allow you to advance in life, to give you a chance in life, to be in a place that's crime-free, to have nutrition, and to have healthcare, and to have education. And th- if we could give that to everybody, like, I've always said, like, the-... if we really wanted to make this the best country ever, w- what would be the first thing you would do? You'd say, "Well, we need to have less losers. We need to have..." And I don't mean losers like, you know, they're weak or they're... I mean like they got dealt the wrong hand. You got born into a terrible neighborhood that's crime infested and it's been this way s- for decades and no one's gonna change it, and there's just gangs and drugs. You can't say that someone who's born in that neighborhood has the same starting line as someone who's born in Bel Air. It's crazy to say.

Jessimae Peluso 55:21 I agree.

Joe Rogan 55:21 One person... Right. So, we gotta figure out how to have more people have more of a chance. And instead of thinking that it's all for us, you know, like the people that- that- that do well, like, whether it's through Wall Street or business, instead of- instead of like continually chasing more and more money, maybe something like this will make us say, like, we gotta reinvest in bringing everybody up and then there'll be more competition, which will be better for everybody. Because you'll have more people that are striving to get better and people push y- th- they push you, people that are good push you, and you become better because of them. Like it's... Iron sharpens iron. It's in the Bible. You need it. You keep moving. And then we could somehow or another make things at least slightly more even. 'Cause right- we're- it's not like you can't fix it.

Jessimae Peluso 56:09 It's a huge disparity, though.

Joe Rogan 56:11 Yeah, but it's- it's not like these crime-ridden st- like, this is just what it is. No, there's no solution. We've- we've put all the mathematicians and all the- the social engineers and we can't fix it.

Jessimae Peluso 56:20 The education aspect is a huge, huge issue. Like, the- the access-

Joe Rogan 56:24 And safety.

Jessimae Peluso 56:24 ... to education.

Joe Rogan 56:25 Access to safety.

Jessimae Peluso 56:26 Yeah. And to sa-

Joe Rogan 56:27 Right?

Jessimae Peluso 56:27 Yeah. You're absolutely right.

Joe Rogan 56:28 And then, and then healthy food.

Jessimae Peluso 56:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:30 And then understanding the choices, like why- why you wanna eat healthy food and what's the difference and sh- and educate people. Just educate people on that. How many people grow up and they don't even know that drinking all that sugar, eating all that sugar is gonna fuck you up long term?

Jessimae Peluso 56:43 Well, it goes back to what you were saying about the p- parental influence. You know, it's just y- it's ingrained in who you are.

Joe Rogan 56:48 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 56:49 You know, it becomes that- that sort of vicious cycle of rinse and repeat, you know, how you- how you eat, how you live. It's- it's- it's definitely an issue. But there is something to say about people who experience severe trauma and they live in bad neighborhoods where they go the complete opposite route.

Joe Rogan 57:07 Mm-hmm. Sure.

Jessimae Peluso 57:07 You know, both of us... I mean, look at comedians.

Joe Rogan 57:10 Yes.

Jessimae Peluso 57:10 I mean, that's born out of a- a- a seed of trauma. And, you know, there's a lot of amazing businessmen and women who achieved what they achieved because of the disparity they experienced in their childhood. So, there is something to the- the dichotomy of the journey from ex- experiencing the trauma to achieving success, but I do agree, everyone needs to be lifted up so that we- eh- so that the whole community can experience the benefit of that. It's n- Eh- the- the- the thing about this COVID that makes me scared on a level, like on a little bit of a level, is, desperate people do really bad things.

Joe Rogan 57:48 Yes.

Jessimae Peluso 57:49 Because they need things for their family to survive. And I'm not saying that's where we're at right now. It could have gone that route. But imagine having people with access to safety and education and food. Everyone would chill the fuck out a bit.

Joe Rogan 58:01 Right, because you wouldn't be worried about survival.

Jessimae Peluso 58:03 No.

Joe Rogan 58:04 But still, you know, this is a- a... There's so many things that are fucked up about this, right? That we- we've never had this happen in our lifetimes. Hasn't happened in 100 years. There's so many things that are fucked up about this. But the repercussions, we gotta be real careful about how we manage the repercussions of starting everything back up, the economy, starting a... We-

Jessimae Peluso 58:24 What do you think is gonna be... What do you think one of the first issues is with opening things back up that we're gonna experience?

Joe Rogan 58:30 Restaurants, comedy shows, like that kinda shit.

Jessimae Peluso 58:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:32 Where people gather. Movie theaters are probably fucked, right?

Jessimae Peluso 58:35 Are you saying about the reinfection and the re-

Joe Rogan 58:38 I think they're gonna be scared to... People are gonna be scared to go. They're- they're gon- not gonna want anybody sitting like right next to each other in the movie theater like it used to be. So, there'll probably be like multiple seats that are open. So the movie theaters won't make nearly as much money. Probably cut their... I mean, who knows? Probably maybe even more than in half.

Jessimae Peluso 58:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:55 Right? And there's gonna be a lot of people that are scared to go to the movies. And now they also set a precedent where you can watch movies on Apple TV.

Jessimae Peluso 59:02 It's not the same. I miss going to movies. And I know that's such a, like, self-serving desire and want and it's not necessary, but I fucking miss it. I miss going to the movies. It's not the same watching at home.

Joe Rogan 59:11 You know what never happens at home? No one ever talks at home.

Jessimae Peluso 59:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:15 There's not two people in front of you having a conversation, "What do you think he's gonna do with that?"

Jessimae Peluso 59:19 I yell at those people.

Joe Rogan 59:20 Those fucking people.

Jessimae Peluso 59:21 I'm an asshole.

Joe Rogan 59:21 But that's the problem with going to the movies. Like, you can't... Like, if you go... Look, if you get lucky, you go to the movies and there's 100 cool people in there, you have a great time. And I've seen some movies with f- cool people, like, you know-

Jessimae Peluso 59:32 I think the movie really dictates that as well.

Joe Rogan 59:34 It makes the movie better. Yeah. But if you're in a movie where everybody's laughing, like if- if it's a- if it's a killer movie, it's a really funny movie-

Jessimae Peluso 59:39 It's an experience.

Joe Rogan 59:40 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 59:40 It's fun. It's a ride.

Joe Rogan 59:41 It's almost like being in a comedy club.

Jessimae Peluso 59:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:42 Yeah.

Jessimae Peluso 59:42 It... You feel the energy. But when motherfuckers talk, you know when that really doesn't happen? When it's like nerdy movies.

Joe Rogan 59:48 Nerdy movies?

Jessimae Peluso 59:48 You know, like Film House.

Joe Rogan 59:50 Ah.

Jessimae Peluso 59:50 You know, if you go see like Peanut Butter Falcon, nobody's fucking talking during that.

Joe Rogan 59:54 What's Peanut Butter Falcon?

Jessimae Peluso 59:54 You didn't see Peanut Butter Falcon?

Joe Rogan 59:55 No, what is it?

Jessimae Peluso 59:56 With Shia LaBeouf. Is that how you say his name?

Joe Rogan 59:59 I- if it's not, we're gonna say it that way from now on.

Jessimae Peluso 1:00:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 1:00:03 I'm sorry, Shia. I'm a big fan.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 I think that's how you say it. Is that how you say it?

Jessimae Peluso 1:00:06 (laughs) How do you say it? LeBoof?

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 Um, what is Peanut Butter Falcon?

Jessimae Peluso 1:00:09 It sounds like something that gay guys do in- in France.

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 Pfft. How dare you.

Jessimae Peluso 1:00:13 LeBoof? I'm sorry. Um...

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 LeBoof?

Jessimae Peluso 1:00:14 LeBoof. Uh, Peanut Butter Falcon was this great movie about, uh, this- this special needs kid and his friend that he picks up along the way and the journey that they make together, like a total-

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 Oh, wow.

Jessimae Peluso 1:00:25 ... you know, feel-good movie, but it- it features this really talented special needs actor that... It just... It's a heartwarming film. And Shia's... He's a great actor.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 Did you ever see that thing where he... When Trump was elected, he was getting people to chant, "He will not divide us. He will not divide us."

Jessimae Peluso 1:00:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 Did you see that?

Jessimae Peluso 1:00:45 I remember something about that. Where- where was he? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 Well, this is- this is why it became funny. Was it Reddit or 4Chan? 4Chan, right?... that did it, 4chan. So there's this, this, uh, website of, uh, mischievous people called for- 4chan, and they, uh, found out that he had set up, on his website, he had a webcam, uh, on this flag that said "he will not divide us." And he had this flag, like, in the middle of Oklahoma somewhere on a webcam stream on his website. So the- the geniuses, these nerd geniuses, decided to triangulate where that was based on the stars that you could see in the webcam in the distance. They figured out where it was on planet Earth. Then they had someone drive around in a truck and honk the horn while another person was listening to the webcam and see if it gets louder or quieter. So as they got closer and closer, they f- it's genius shit. They finally got to the webcam. They took the flag down. The guy looks in front of the camera and goes, "Fuck Shia LaBeouf."

Jessimae Peluso 1:01:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 1:01:45 That... I- I have to say, that's a, that was a fucking rollercoaster of a story.

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 It's genius. It's genius. It was a genius thing. But here's the thing, Radiolab had a whole podcast about it, and it was really interesting, because first of all, no one got hurt, all right? This is not about violence. This is not about terrorism. This is not... No one got hurt.

Jessimae Peluso 1:02:00 It's about point of views. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 This is... But it's also funny. It's also funny. And if you don't think that's funny, well, then you must not have had a job that you hated where you sit in a cubicle and you Google funny shit, because that's funny.

Jessimae Peluso 1:02:10 It is really fucking funny.

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 That's, that is fucking funny. And, look, Shia's gonna get over it. If that's all the guy did is say, "Fuck Shia LaBeouf," that shit's hilarious. If that was me and I- I was a pretentious fuck-

Jessimae Peluso 1:02:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 ... and I had a sign that said, "He will not divide us"-

Jessimae Peluso 1:02:21 Would you show them your butthole? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:22 ... and I showed it on my website. No, but if I did and they found my- my flag and they took it down, they went, "Fuck Joe Rogan," I'd be like, "Ha, you got me." (laughs)

Jessimae Peluso 1:02:30 (laughs) That's pretty inten- like, talented and-

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 But-

Jessimae Peluso 1:02:33 ... the fact that they found it by the stars?

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 But here's the thing, 4chan, they got... They said, well, it was on this website, 4chan, that's been known to be sexist and misogynistic and all the other -istics and -isms. You know, and so-

Jessimae Peluso 1:02:47 What does it have to do with-

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 It has nothing to do with it.

Jessimae Peluso 1:02:49 No.

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 So they di-... Because someone might have posted-

Jessimae Peluso 1:02:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 ... like, a Hitler frog with the Pepe the Frog-

Jessimae Peluso 1:02:55 A Hitler frog? What's that children's book?

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 Pep-... You know Pepe the Frog?

Jessimae Peluso 1:02:58 Oh, yeah, yeah, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 Like, because on that same message board, somebody might have posted a picture of that out of the thousands and thousands of users. They'll use something like that to just... to say, "Oh, this is just what 4chan is."

Jessimae Peluso 1:03:09 Right, to group it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 It's just the- it's just the worst people on Earth, the biggest monsters ever. Yeah, and people that found that fucking flag by staring at the stars. Okay? They're that too.

Jessimae Peluso 1:03:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 You don't think that's amazing?

Jessimae Peluso 1:03:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 You don't think that's amazing?

Jessimae Peluso 1:03:22 That's super.

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 And all they did is say, "Fuck Shia LaBeouf." That's it.

Jessimae Peluso 1:03:25 That's some really talent-... That- that's, like, talent that should be focused in a- in a specific field.

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 Listen, it probably is.

Jessimae Peluso 1:03:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 They were probably just bored. They're probably tired of this fucking shit and they just... they saw it and they're like, "This guy. I'm going to find it. I'm gonna find that flag." (laughs) And then they put their nerd minds to the test.

Jessimae Peluso 1:03:43 (laughs) Do you know how good it must have felt to find-

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 Amazing.

Jessimae Peluso 1:03:45 ... this fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 Amazing.

Jessimae Peluso 1:03:46 ... flag?

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Yeah, it's like a- like a movie, like- like finding X and dig a hole and find pirate's booty. Yeah, it's pretty-

Jessimae Peluso 1:03:52 It's like a treasure hunt.

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 A treasure hunt.

Jessimae Peluso 1:03:53 It's like the ultimate treasure hunt.

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 It's a treasure hunt. And it's... So Radiolab took the podcast down, and I love Radiolab. It's one of my- my absolute favorite podcasts.

Jessimae Peluso 1:04:03 Why'd they take it down?

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 Because people were complaining that they're supporting 4chan by- by making this podca-

Jessimae Peluso 1:04:09 That's a threat on-

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 ... by ma- making that podcast.

Jessimae Peluso 1:04:10 But that's a th-... That's a... That feels like a threat of f- freedom of speech.

Joe Rogan 1:04:15 Well-

Jessimae Peluso 1:04:16 If people don't like something, we're gonna start taking it down. Like, no, keep it up, because only those conversations are the ones that move the needle on a societal level. Like, only those conversations where people are debating do we learn and grow if we open ourselves up to that. I mean, if you and I sat here and agreed on everything, it'd be a fun conversation, but it's also interesting to have, you know, alternate points of view and- and learn from one another.

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 It's also they didn't do anything that deserves to have them nuked from the historical record.

Jessimae Peluso 1:04:45 Yeah, exa- exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 If- if- if you have people and you have an open message board, which is what it is, and people post awful shit, that's just... that doesn't even really represent who they are most of the time.

Jessimae Peluso 1:04:57 No.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 When people are posting, they're posting because they're bored or they want a reaction. It's like a- it's a terrible way to communicate with