Joe Rogan Experience #1471 - Tony Hinchcliffe

1. 0:00 – 5:09

   California reopening rules list: “soft martial arts,” singles sports, and other absurdities

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      Three, two, one. Tony motherfucking Hinchcliffe.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe0:07

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      Good to see you, buddy.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe0:08

      Good to see you.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:09

      Every time comics come here that I usually spend multiple nights a week with, like ... (sighs) It's so nice to be semi-normal again.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe0:19

      Yes, for fucking sure.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      The restrictions are supposed to be lifting up here in Los Angeles on Friday, which means nothing for us, for comedians. It means something for, like, some re- retail, some other stuff, but they're doing it nice and slow. And did you see the list of shit that the governor's office put out of stuff you're allowed to do?

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe0:39

      Mm-mm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:39

      You should pull that up, Jamie, 'cause it is ... It's quite hilarious. First of all, it's, it's kind of condescending. It's what? It's like treating you like you're a moron. Like, "Here's things you're allowed to do."

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe0:50

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       One of them that I thought that was hilarious, it said, "soft martial arts."

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe0:53

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Yeah. It did. It said, "Tai chi. This is ... You're allowed to do this outside."

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe0:57

       Oh, no.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Soft martial arts.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe0:59

       No.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Like, why can't you do ... Why can't you shadowbox? Can you do that?

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe1:03

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Or it's only okay if you do things that don't work?

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe1:06

       Ugh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Like, you're saying martial, martial art, all right? That's an art of war, right?

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe1:11

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       And Tai Chi is ... It is a ... It's more, much more of a meditation than it is an art of war.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe1:18

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       I, I think there's ... It's very beneficial. But, like, look at what it says. "Athletics, number one." What does that mean? Badminton, singles. Singles! Throwing a ball, a baseball, softball. Stop. Here's the problem with that.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe1:30

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       If you're throwing a baseball, you're basically shaking hands.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe1:33

       Yup.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       And you're doing it with an organic skin, right? Baseball, the outside of it is cow skin.

   30. JVJamie Vernon1:38

       You could throw a ball by yourself, but ...
2. 5:09 – 14:16

   What counts as a real martial art? From tai chi semantics to MMA “look-see-do”

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:09

      car accidents. Look at ... Stop. Go back. Soft martial arts. Look at that. Tai chi, qigong.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe5:17

      What's qigong?

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:19

      Well, I know what qigong is. It's like a, a type of, like, a breathing exercise. I'm pretty sure. Um, and you know what tai chi is.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe5:28

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:28

      It's almost like a series of rhythmic movements. But I wa- ... Why are you calling that a soft martial art? It's su- such a weird definition. "And not in groups." It's just, like, so specific. Like, if a person wants to go outside and they have a shadowboxing routine they do and they like to practice Muay Thai, why can't they go practice Muay Thai? They can't just go outside? Like, imagine, like, you're pent up in your apartment and you can go on the beach and just, like, spark up a little-

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe5:53

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:53

      ... and just throw some combinations under the sun, in the sand. You can't do that? Is that threatening to people?... but I c- but you're allowed to do all this jazz? That's not even a martial art, let's just be honest. It's great-

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe6:05

      Correct.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:05

      ... people that do it, they find it very therapeutic and it's good for the body. You know, you're doing these slow poses so it gives you, you know, um, uh, you're exercising control over your body. But it's not really a martial art, not f- Uh, it's, uh, it's weird. It's like, you wouldn't fight with it, so what is it? You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not gonna fight with Tai chi.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe6:25

       I've never heard the terminology before. Is there such thing as soft and hard martial arts?

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       Yeah, I guess you could de- Uh, yeah, you could kind of define it like that. People would, some people would say that Tai chi is a soft martial art. They would, I guess they could, would kind of say it, but it just doesn't make sense to me. It's not a martial art. It's, uh, martial art is something that you would use in a fight. If you were trying to have a thing with... There's rules to martial arts, though. So you could say, like, "Well, how come boxing is just boxing? How come they're not allowed to kick you or take you down?" Like, is that a full martial art? Like, what, what is a martial art? Martial art's like doing the best shit to do when you're in war with a person, hand-to-hand combat. But for so long, we didn't know what the best shit was, so they branched off into all these different groups. So like, there's the people that only concentrated on judo, and they were convinced that this is the best thing you could do. I remember, I was really foolish when I was doing TaeKwonDo. And, uh, I worked out with my friend Walter, he used to teach at this university, and he was a bad motherfucker, and I used to go down and train with him. And, um, there was, uh, this guy this w- was this judo guy who was there, and they were practicing judo, and this guy was a gorilla. He probably could have broke me in half and stuffed me up his ass.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe7:39

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       I mean, really, he was a big guy. But I thought, "God, that's so useless." This is what I thought.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe7:43

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:44

       But I was like, "Why would you wanna do that when you can learn how to punch and kick? Why would you wanna learn how to do that?"

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe7:49

       Did you do any wrestling?

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:50

       It's so silly. Yes, one year in high school.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe7:51

       Okay.

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:51

       Yeah. But man, uh, one, until I started doing jujitsu, like, I didn't (laughs) realize how vulnerable I really was.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe7:58

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:59

       Like, I was, I was... I hadn't done real martial arts in a long time 'cause I had a knee surgery and it took me a long time to recover, like more than a year. I had, uh, I fucked my knee up and I didn't get it fixed for like six months, and then I got it fixed, it took like a year to rehab. So, for like a year and a half plus I d- wasn't doing any martial arts. And then I started doing a little bit of kickboxing when I came to LA. I went to this legendary place in Van Nuys. It's one of the things that I wanted to go to. Other than going to The Comedy Store, I wanted to go to Benny "The Jet's" Jet Center.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe8:28

       Wow.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       The Jet Center in Van Nuys. Benny Urquidez was, like, a legendary kickboxer from LA. And him and, uh, his, I p- believe Blinky Rodriguez is his brother-in-law, but he was another beast. He's the guy who knocked out one of the greatest kickboxers of all time, Jean Yves Therriault, he knocked him out with a left hook. I mean, so this was a gym, a legendary gym. And I came here, and right when I came here, I started going there, and they had, uh, earthquake damage. So, when it rained, their, their place got fucked up, like, really fucked up, and they had to close down. And then he moved to a place in North Hollywood for a while. But, um, it just, uh, it wasn't, it wasn't the same once that legendary gym was gone. But that was, those were one of the, like, the number one places that I wanted to come to when I came to LA.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe9:14

       Yeah. Has, uh, anyone, uh, anyone ever claimed Tai chi or Qigong as any of their UFC (laughs) skillset?

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:22

       Yeah, they, they make stuff up for fun. Look, look the greatest fighter of all time, Jon Jones, what's his style? It says, "Look, see, do." That's his style. Lit- literally. Go look up when Jon Jones fights. Under his style, he writes, "Look, see, do."

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe9:36

       Wow.

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:36

       You wanna ta- talk about a dude thinking for himself?

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe9:40

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       This guy's like, "Look it. Listen. Fu- I know what I knew. I know what I know. I know what I can do. I'm just gonna call it look, see, do. I, I look at people see things. I, I look at people do something, I see it, and I do it." F- one of the first fights ever in the UFC, the guy tries to throw this wild spinning elbow, just out of nowhere. Fights Shogun for the title, opens up with a flying knee. Just wild.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe10:05

       Unbelievable.
3. 14:16 – 21:09

   Street-fight reality: eye gouges, nut shots, and why rules exist

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:16

      Even, even if like if they're teaching you self-defense, that's the only time they step up with the eye gouge and the nut shots. But those are like the most effective moves. Eye gouging and nut shots are the most effective moves. We just collectively decide that they're too destructive.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe14:31

      Yeah. It's weird seeing actual street fight videos. I saw one where the guy, uh, actual fight video where, uh, the guy does grab the other guy's nuts. It's like they're like in the army or something to each-

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:42

      Oh, Jesus.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe14:43

      He's begging, "Please," (laughs) like it's- It's actually really funny.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:46

      Oh, my God.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe14:47

      "Please! Please, God! No, please!" (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:50

      Oh, my God.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe14:51

      Like, "Stop." 'Cause someone can crush your nuts and take away- Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:53

      ... your manhood.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe14:53

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:54

       Uh! Oh, my God. I've heard of dudes getting their nuts exploded. Nuts exploded from a kick. One, one guy who was, uh, sparring just like, I think, they said it was like his r- last round of sparring. He said, "Ah, fuck it. I don't need a cup, just go light." Boom! Takes a shot to the nuts and one of his balls explodes.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe15:11

       Oh, no.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:12

       And then they had to remove it.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe15:13

       Ah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:13

       Yeah. Dude, you, you, you s- imagine the force of someone hitting you with a kick. Like imagine the force of someone who's a, like Tyron Woodley, who's an excellent leg kicker. He's got vicious power in his leg kicks. The force of that hitting your nuts (laughs) you're nuts are not desi-... You need a cup, man.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe15:32

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       Your nuts are not designed to survive that with no help. That's crazy.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe15:36

       That's why they gave us two, just in case.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       Just in case.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe15:39

       'Cause there's no kick that could blast through two at once, right?

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       There's a lotta kicks that'll blast through two nuts.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe15:44

       Wow!

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Yeah, 100%. Pedro Rizzo if he l- if he kicked your nuts, you would have no nuts. They would be all smashed up like gravy. (laughs)

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe15:54

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       He's... That guy kicked so hard.

   26. GIGuest (unidentified, brief interjection)15:57

       I was looking at, uh, hard and soft martial arts, uh, judo, like that's judo, ju- j- the "ju" of judo and jujitsu is soft. So it's, um-

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       Mm.

   28. GIGuest (unidentified, brief interjection)16:07

       ... like not, uh-

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       That's silly.

   30. GIGuest (unidentified, brief interjection)16:09

       ... blocking with a block. Like, blocking an attack with a block-
4. 21:09 – 25:56

   Top Gun, Tom Cruise stunts, and the morbid fascination of celebrity danger

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:09

      But that, that volleyball scene, isn't there a thing where Quentin Tarantino breaks down how gay this movie is?

   2. JVJamie Vernon21:15

      Mm-hmm. That's what I thought of it, I think. Speaking of Tom Cruise.

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:17

      Like a video of it, right?

   4. JVJamie Vernon21:19

      He's, he's gonna make a movie in space.

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:20

      Of course he's gonna make a movie in space. He's Tom fucking Cruise. Yeah. This is a ... If I was, uh, into gay men, this would be awesome. Right? If you're a gay guy and you're like, "Damn, look at th- these guys."

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe21:32

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:32

      This is a movie for you. If you look at it that way.

   8. JVJamie Vernon21:35

      Well, whoever wore jeans on the beach to play volleyball too?

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:38

      Well, also they slide into the sand and then miraculously, right after they slide into the sand, they are clean and shiny with glistening sweat and no sand on them.

   10. JVJamie Vernon21:51

       He just did the sand. He just dove.

   11. JRJoe Rogan21:53

       But watch, they hit the sand all the time, but there's no sand on them. Instead, they're perfectly glistening.

   12. JVJamie Vernon22:01

       It's magic sand.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe22:02

       This is a weird-

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:03

       Yeah.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe22:04

       I have ... I don't think I've ever really watched Top Gun the whole way through.

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:07

       Hold on. Back that up. Why does Tom Cruise walk like that?

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe22:09

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:10

       Back that up. Back that up. Watch this walk. Here we go. That's very odd. That's an odd walk. Maybe he hurt himself out there.

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe22:18

       Volleyball injury.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:20

       Bro, he does all his own stunts too, like motorcycle stunts. He's probably hurt all the time.

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe22:25

       He jumped out of a ... I watched the video. They have video of him being videoed while jumping out of that plane in Mission Impossible.

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:32

       Yeah. What is that?

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe22:33

       Nuts.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:33

       What is that?

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe22:34

       Nuts.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:35

       That video of him hanging on the plane, what is he doing there? Is he attached by a, a latch or something? Have you seen that shit?

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe22:42

       Uh-uh.

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:42

       Like, there's a video of him, and supposedly it's actual video of him hanging from the side of the plane. This ... He's ... He doesn't get enough credit for this. He's a goddamn maniac. This, look, he's giving them the thumbs up. And so this fucking plane takes off, dude, and he's actually hanging off the edge of this. Look at this. Watch. He lets his legs go and everything. This is nuts, man. Look at this.

   29. JVJamie Vernon23:09

       It's the raw footage from the camera.

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:12

       This is insane. So he's really letting this plane take him in the air and he's hanging on from the power of L. Ron Hubbard?
5. 25:56 – 32:19

   Great actors, great TV: Ozark, The Outsider, Succession, and ‘rant’ writing

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe25:56

      I'll name another one right now. Philip Seymour Hoffman.

   2. JRJoe Rogan25:58

      Oh. He's brilliant.

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe25:58

      Oh my God.

   4. JRJoe Rogan26:00

      Brilliant.

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe26:00

      I just watched one I had, I hadn't seen with him. Nuts, man. Done by the, uh-

   6. JRJoe Rogan26:05

      God, he's so good.

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe26:05

      He did one with the guy that made, uh, There Will Be Blood. That director. I can't remember the name of it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan26:10

      He's in those Hunger Games, right?

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe26:12

      Yeah, but I'm not sure.

   10. JRJoe Rogan26:13

       D- he's good in those.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe26:14

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan26:14

       He's, I know those movies are silly.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe26:17

       Philip Seymour Hoffman's a freak.

   14. JRJoe Rogan26:19

       He was really good.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe26:20

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan26:20

       Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's got an impressive list. If you look at the movies that he's done, you go over it and you go, "Oh, wow, I forgot about that one. I forgot about that one."

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe26:27

       Yep. And he makes even the ones that look like they'd be lame, I went down, this is when the quarantine started, this is one of the big rabbit holes I went down, was a Philip Seymour Hoffman one. And even the movies that look like they wouldn't be great, are great.

   18. JRJoe Rogan26:41

       Yeah.

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe26:41

       There's a few actors that really, I think, read the scripts that they're offered, and have a real take on them. Th- then they, and they make everything good. That Ben Mendelsohn guy, I don't know if you've ever saw Bloodline, but he's another one of those.

   20. JRJoe Rogan26:54

       Is he that guy that was in 30 Days of Nights?

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe26:59

       Um ...

   22. JRJoe Rogan27:00

       There's a guy who's in 30 Days of Nights, which is a really fun vampire movie while you're quarantined. Good fucking ... Have you seen it?

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe27:07

       No.

   24. JVJamie Vernon27:07

       No, he's the guy from the, The Outsider.

   25. JRJoe Rogan27:09

       Oh, okay.

   26. JVJamie Vernon27:11

       The cop.

   27. JRJoe Rogan27:11

       The cop from The Outsider. Show me. Oh.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe27:17

       He is-

   29. JRJoe Rogan27:17

       That guy is amazing.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe27:19

       ... unbelie- you can look up anything he's done, it's unbelievable.
6. 32:19 – 37:39

   Sebastian Maniscalco stories: viral Instagram bits and a real home-invasion shooting

   1. JRJoe Rogan32:19

      Oh, oh, you gotta pull up this video from Sebastian's Ins- Instagram. He's walking and these people are walking up the hill behind him with, uh, water bottles on their heads.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe32:29

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan32:30

      (laughs) It is the most Sebastian thing you'll ever see in your life. It's brilliant.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe32:35

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan32:35

      This is... Like, if someone wanted to say like-

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe32:37

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan32:37

      ... "Hey, that Sebastian. He's really funny, right? What's his comedy like?"

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe32:41

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan32:42

      Be like, "Watch this video." It is... What? Look at it.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe32:45

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan32:45

       Give me, give me some volume. Give me some volume.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe32:48

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan32:50

       Look at this.

   14. GIGuest (unidentified, brief interjection)32:50

       You bother me. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan32:54

       (laughs) Look at this.

   16. GIGuest (unidentified, brief interjection)32:56

       Oh, wow. Oh, are you walking with bottles on your head? You bother me. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan33:03

       (laughs) See, that is so Sebas- He's laughing while he's saying it. It's 100% his personality.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe33:09

       Oh, my God.

   19. JRJoe Rogan33:09

       "You bother me." (laughs)

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe33:12

       (laughs) Oh, God.

   21. JRJoe Rogan33:13

       (laughs)

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe33:15

       He kills me harder than almost anybody in the world.

   23. JRJoe Rogan33:17

       He's very funny in a very unique way. He's very funny in his own way. Like, uh, he's like Theo in a lot of ways. Like if someone said, like, "How do you describe Theo's comedy?" I'm like, (clicks tongue) "He's, he's Theo Von."

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe33:29

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan33:29

       He's just got... He knows how to be Theo Von-

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe33:31

       Mm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan33:31

       ... and it's amazing. And Sebastian is g- real... similar in that way.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe33:35

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan33:35

       Is he knows how to be Sebastian.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe33:37

       Yeah.
7. 37:39 – 53:50

   Guns, media incentives, and reopening tradeoffs: ‘we don’t know’ in real time

   1. JRJoe Rogan37:39

      Fuck, man. You know? And that's why people have guns, you know? And nobody wants to hear that story. You don't wanna hear that story 'cause that story's a pro-gun story. You know? It's anti-gun because someone tried to rob the guy's house with a gun, but it's pro-gun in if he didn't have a gun, what would've happened?

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe37:57

      You saw the-

   3. JRJoe Rogan37:58

      Yeah, it's anti-gun 'cause someone used a gun in a robbery.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe38:00

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan38:00

      But it's pro, if he didn't have a gun, maybe his family would be dead. Do you see? You have to be able to see both sides. 'Cause- 'cause the gun control argument is such a weird one. People, like they dig heels in. Left people dig on this side. They have like a- a set of beliefs that, uh, you're allowed to have.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe38:16

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan38:16

      And then the people on the right dig on another side. You know, the Second Amendment is, uh, right. It's not a privilege. You know, we- we own this and this is...

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe38:24

      And the media definitely doesn't cover it when it goes right-

   9. JRJoe Rogan38:29

      No.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe38:29

       ... with guns.

   11. JRJoe Rogan38:29

       Well, they did here because it's Sebastian's cousin.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe38:32

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan38:32

       But it's not, like if it went the other way, you know, if some people got shot to death inside their home, it would be an anti-gun argument. You know what I'm saying?

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe38:41

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan38:41

       Which is interesting because if you have a gun like he did, the people broke into his house and he was able to protect his family. That's the best case scenario for gun ownership. Well, the best case scenario is never having to use it. And the next best is being able to use it to protect your family, 'cause that's what it's there for. So it's actually a pro-gun story. It's a, it's an anti-gun... It would, it would be an anti-gun story if he didn't have a gun. That's what's crazy. If he didn't have a gun and the guy shot his family, it would be an anti-gun story. But because he had a gun, it's a pro-gun story. Isn't that interesting?

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe39:16

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan39:17

       So if he-

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe39:17

       You saw the one with the church where the guy went in for like a mass shooting and the guy standing against the back wall of the church had a gun too and just got him right away.

   19. JRJoe Rogan39:26

       Right, yeah. Yeah, yeah. An armed, trained man with a gun. Um, I know a guy in Vegas, he got carjacked recently. And he's a prof- I mean he's, he's like a competitive shooter. I mean, he, he has videos of him practicing shooting with pistols. He's a marksman, incredible fast draw, and he killed this guy in a gunfight. Like, that's a pro-gun story. Guy pulled a gun on him and he could have lost his life. Instead, he survived because he had a gun. It's- it's one of those things. Guns are like one of those things, like being a person. It's, being a person's weird. It's all sorts... It's not clear. We're not numbers, right? There's l- it all, it fluctuates. What we are and the way we live fluctuates. And right now, things are weird. Almost all of our decisions that we have to make about everything are like, "Well, if we just open up the country, we're gonna lose a lot of people. You know, we should maybe hold it back." And then the other argument, "If we don't open up the country, we're gonna lose a lot of people. So what are we gonna do? We're gonna let the people die because of despair and homelessness and- and suicide, drug addiction, because they've lost everything?" There's- there's gonna be those too.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe40:36

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan40:37

       Like it's like everything else, man. Like all, all things involving people, we're just like, "Oh, well, there's this and there's that." It's, there's a lot of stuff like this that people wanna have like a definitive answer. Like, you know, is, are we waiting too long to open up? Is Florida jumping in too quick? Who's right? Who's wrong? We don't fucking know.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe40:59

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan40:59

       These are educated guesses. But it's just one of those things, like being a person. When things get started up again and no one knows what the future's gonna be, there's just a lot of predicting. And we're not right all the time, you know? You know? (laughs)

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe41:12

       It's just especially scary 'cause the news is so picky and choosy and weird about how they're covering things. They, they, it seems like it's almost all bad news now on the cable news programs.

   25. JRJoe Rogan41:23

       Yeah.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe41:24

       And...

   27. JRJoe Rogan41:25

       They've, well, that's where they get the most money. It's like they're being rewarded for it. But I mean, I understand from their perspective is that they only have an hour and there's a lot of fucking bad news. You know, when you're getting all the bad news from seven billion people plus around the world, it's g- a lot of it's gonna suck. You only have an hour. (laughs) Things are happening 24 hours a day. The news itself as like a show is really preposterous.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe41:47

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan41:47

       Like, oh, we're gonna condense it all into an hour. But isn't it the real stuff that's happening? How can it be condensed at all? And do you not, do you have to do that anymore? Do you know? Like when the, this guy has this show and that guy has that show and the show goes for an hour and they're gonna cover these details and show you what went wrong. Like, there's so many things that went wrong.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe42:06

       Yeah.
8. 53:50 – 1:02:23

   Asymptomatic outbreaks, immune-system theories, and why prison doesn’t ‘work’

   1. JRJoe Rogan53:50

      Well, I was, I was telling you, Jamie ... Well, we were talking about this before, the, the different groups of people that, uh, in, in the weirdest, weirdest way are, are asymptomatic. Um, that thing that I sent you ... I sent ... Did I send that to you, Jamie?

   2. JVJamie Vernon54:05

      No, but, uh-

   3. JRJoe Rogan54:05

      Let me pull it up. Uh, one of 'em was about ... I think it was a meat packing plant and they had some insane number of employees tested positive, all of 'em asymptomatic. Let me see. I know I have it in here somewhere if you just give me a second, I'll find it. Uh ...

   4. JVJamie Vernon54:23

      I'm looking too. I got a pork plant in Missouri.

   5. JRJoe Rogan54:27

      Yes.

   6. JVJamie Vernon54:27

      That was the one?

   7. JRJoe Rogan54:27

      That's exactly where it is, and that's the place ... Missouri just opened up concerts. They're like, "Let's do it. Whoo." So- (laughs)

   8. JVJamie Vernon54:34

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan54:34

      So here it is.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe54:35

       Interesting.

   11. JRJoe Rogan54:36

       370 workers at a pork plant in Missouri tested positive for coronavirus. All of them were asymptomatic. All of 'em.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe54:45

       That is the work of a boss that gets everybody to work and tells them all to lie. "You never had any symptoms."

   13. JRJoe Rogan54:52

       Mm, that could be true, huh?

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe54:54

       Right?

   15. JRJoe Rogan54:54

       That's possible. That's totally possible. That's totally possible.Yeah, you gotta take that into consideration.

   16. GIGuest (unidentified, brief interjection)55:02

       We'll all get in trouble.

   17. JRJoe Rogan55:04

       But if they were all there and they tested them, would they have been able to tell if any of them were exhibiting any symptoms? Yeah, that might be a thing, right? They might be influenced to not say it. It's hard to say. Yeah. You know, when you look at something like that, that's a good point. You nailed it there, dude. When you look at something that wild, like, all of you?

   18. GIGuest (unidentified, brief interjection)55:25

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan55:25

       No one felt anything and still worked?

   20. GIGuest (unidentified, brief interjection)55:27

       If not, we all need to move to-

   21. JRJoe Rogan55:29

       Yeah.

   22. GIGuest (unidentified, brief interjection)55:29

       ... Missouri.

   23. JRJoe Rogan55:30

       Right. Huh. Yeah, you can't tell, right? You can't tell. (laughs) Like, you can't just say... And the other one was prisoners. Um, there was a, a group of prisoners that, um... I'll see if I can find it. I'll pull that article up for you. A group o- a group of prisoners and they tested them, and some insane number, like 96% of them-

   24. GIGuest (unidentified, brief interjection)55:51

       98%.

   25. JRJoe Rogan55:51

       Yeah, test-

   26. GIGuest (unidentified, brief interjection)55:51

       98?

   27. JRJoe Rogan55:52

       Tennessee?

   28. GIGuest (unidentified, brief interjection)55:52

       Yeah. 98% tested. But I... Let me just, let me check to see how many-

   29. JRJoe Rogan55:57

       98% were asymptomatic. So I was, uh, thinking about this and... God, I forget who I was talking to this, uh, about this. And they were talking... Oh, I think it was Kyle Kulinski. We were talking about, uh, your immune system, that your immune system, when you're in a place like a prison, is probably super strong because there's so many people around you. You're always interacting with all this different bacteria. Whereas if you just, like, live by yourself in an apartment, like, you quarantine for these five weeks and then you're gonna go back out into the world, your immune system is like your cardiovascular system. It's like you don't use it. So because you don't use it, it's weak.

   30. GIGuest (unidentified, brief interjection)56:39

       Right.
9. 1:02:23 – 1:08:33

   Quarantine habits and food obsession: pasta science, meat sauce formulas, and Fogo de Chão legends

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe1:02:23

      That's another thing I've, I've, I've gotten better at during this quarantine.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:02:27

      Cooking?

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe1:02:27

      Oh, dude. I-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:02:29

      Oh, dude, I gotta give you some elk.

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe1:02:30

      Yes, absolutely.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:02:32

      Please?

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe1:02:32

      Please do.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:02:33

      All I want is pictures, take pictures.

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe1:02:34

      For sure. I'm-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:02:35

       Take some food porn for me.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe1:02:37

       Absolutely. Ready to go.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:02:39

       (laughs)

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe1:02:39

       I actually fucking, uh ... There's this farmer's market right by where I live.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:44

       Oh, nice.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe1:02:44

       The original LA Farmer's Market. And so they have, like, multiple butcher shops. And I was going to, um ... I was going to different ones when this whole thing first started and trying out different things and different combinations of, uh, of s- basically remaking each week my mom's meat sauce, which is different than her regular sauce that has meatballs and this and that. Anyway, and I kept testing out these different concoctions. And one time, I nailed it, and it really tasted like hers. And I went back to that butcher shop and did it again, and I said to the guy, I go, "Yeah, that stuff I made last week came out just like my mom's." And he goes, "Where are you from?" I said, "Youngstown." And it turns out that that butcher shop was and is from originally there, and that it is the same ... it's basically the same stuff. It's all the same, like, meat or cut or whatever they do or how they do it was the same thing. So I ended up-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:03:38

       What, what are you putting in your, your sauce? Like, how are you doing when you say meat sauce? Are you using ground beef? Are you using-

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe1:03:45

       A percentage of ground beef. Basically, like, 50% ground beef, 25% hot ground up Italian sausage, and 25% pork.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:03:53

       Wow.

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe1:03:54

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:03:54

       You have a formula.

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe1:03:55

       Oh, yeah, baby. And, uh, it's been something that I've been tweaking here and there. It comes out fucking good now. I can-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:04:01

       So you're getting all the food, all the meat, from this one place?

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe1:04:05

       Mm. Well, n- ... I ... Now, I get my sausage and my pork from there and the ground beef from the other place.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:04:11

       I j-

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe1:04:11

       I have it all figured out now to a-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:04:13

       So you're, like, getting deep into this shit.

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe1:04:15

       Oh, yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:04:16

       What else you cooking?

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe1:04:18

       Well, I mean, really, I'm, I'm a big sucker for pasta. So it's, like, a lot of different types of sauces and experimentations, like vod- the vodka sauce with, like, a pinker sauce and, uh-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:04:28

       Do you think people hate you because you're so slim and beautiful and yet you eat pasta all day?
10. 1:08:33 – 1:15:54

    Adele’s weight-loss backlash and the ‘beauty standards’ argument

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:08:33

       Did you see there's a new photo of her?

    2. THTony Hinchcliffe1:08:35

       Yeah. No, I saw it this morning.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:08:37

       Did you see the controversy?

    4. THTony Hinchcliffe1:08:37

       And the first thing I knew that the... Literally, the first thing that I thought of the second my eyes laid on that picture, I'm like, "This is gonna be crazy because people are going to say, uh, in these comments that she's beautiful." And, uh, that's going to be hilarious because you're basically saying that she wasn't beautiful before by saying that she's beautiful now in a weird way. Uh, uh, there's a sort of insinuated. And, and I, I didn't even realize until two hours or an hour later after I'd woken up that it became, like, this, like, news story.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:09:10

       (gasps)

    6. THTony Hinchcliffe1:09:11

       So it's just funny to me because (sighs) like it's like, is her voice the same, right? 'Cause that's what matters.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:09:19

       Well, it's, it's funny th- in that why wouldn't you want to applaud someone who did something that's really difficult to do and is now healthier?

    8. THTony Hinchcliffe1:09:33

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:09:33

       If you are an Adele fan, wouldn't you want her to be healthier? Wouldn't you... I mean, you want her to be able to keep singing for longer, right? You love her. You want her to be healthier. You don't want her to get... Uh, one of the main, uh, things they found in, in New York City about people that, uh, caught COVID-19 that was a real problem was obesity.

    10. THTony Hinchcliffe1:09:53

        Mm-hmm.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:09:53

        Big problem. She was at one point in time much larger, and now she's, like, really slim.

    12. THTony Hinchcliffe1:09:59

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:09:59

        And people are mad and saying...

    14. THTony Hinchcliffe1:10:02

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:10:02

        This is what they're saying, "I don't want her to be applauded for losing weight as if it's," some, some, uh, some, to some wording like this, like that, "I don't want to, uh, adhere to these beauty standards that she's better looking because she lost weight." But she is.

    16. THTony Hinchcliffe1:10:21

        Yup.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:10:21

        And you know that. The only reason why anybody would wanna fight against that when so many people overwhelmingly think she looks better is because they don't wanna look at themselves. It's that simple. They don't wanna change. And they want you to dis- they're, they're trying to bully you into deciding they're beautiful if they're 210 pounds.

    18. THTony Hinchcliffe1:10:38

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:10:38

        And that's, that's really what it is. It's like we're, you know, we're redefining beauty standards. You can't do that.

    20. THTony Hinchcliffe1:10:43

        Right.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:10:43

        You can't decide that the way you look is what everybody should like. That's crazy. You can't do that. And if people have a- a- all decided worldwide that f- f- fitter, healthier bodies are more attractive, that's just what it is.

    22. THTony Hinchcliffe1:10:59

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:11:00

        That's w- you can't... It's not redefining beauty standards. The beauty standards come from what people are attracted to. Yeah, it's not fair. You're right it's not fair. A lot of shit in life is not fair.

    24. THTony Hinchcliffe1:11:10

        Yup.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:11:10

        That's just how it is.

    26. THTony Hinchcliffe1:11:11

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:11:11

        If you choose to stay big, that is your choice. Um, I know it's a difficult choice to try to move your, your body down and lose weight and get healthy. We already talked about that. We were just talking about it. But you can't say that it's unattractive when someone has a good body 'cause it is. So if someone has a better body than they used to have, it looks better.

    28. THTony Hinchcliffe1:11:33

        Mm-hmm.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:11:34

        So that's what a beauty standard is.

    30. THTony Hinchcliffe1:11:35

        (laughs)

Episode duration: 2:58:20