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Joe Rogan Experience #1473 - Tom Papa

Tom Papa is a comedian, actor, writer and television/radio host. Check out his new book "You're Doing Great!" and also his podcast "Breaking Bread with Tom Papa" on Apple Podcasts. @TomPapaComedy

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May 13, 20203h 4mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:001:41

    LA’s extended stay-at-home order and economic fallout

    1. JR

      (sighs) Okay.

    2. TP

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      So, what were you just saying, Jamie?

    4. TP

      (sighs) We have LA's stay-at-home order will likely remain in place for the next three months unless there is a, quote, "dramatic change to the virus and tools at hand," officials say.

    5. JR

      How are people supposed to feed themselves? Like, r- really, realistically, how do they expect this to work?

    6. TP

      You go out to work, and then you skitter back home.

    7. JR

      That's not what they're saying. That's not what stay at home means. Stay at home means you don't go to work.

    8. TP

      Yeah. But at the same time, they're opening up businesses, right?

    9. JR

      They're opening up very few businesses, and you have to get curbside for retail.

    10. TP

      I heard our governor in the state of California say that 70% of businesses are open now.

    11. JR

      Well, if that's the case, even if that was the case, let's say 30% of people are out of work.

    12. TP

      Yes.

    13. JR

      That's catastrophic.

    14. TP

      Yeah., It's a lot.

    15. JR

      And I don't think it's true. I don't- I don't think 70% of the places are open.

    16. TP

      That's what he said, 70% of the businesses.

    17. JR

      Well, even if they're open, they're not open at 100% capacity.

    18. TP

      Or they're probably working from home, like offices, he's probably counting offices.

    19. JR

      Hmm.

    20. TP

      And those people are still working and getting paid, but they're doing it from home.

    21. JR

      So, this is just LA?

    22. TP

      LA County. Just LA, yeah, yeah.

    23. JR

      So, that means, uh, like, Comedy Store has no chance?

    24. TP

      (clicks tongue) Yeah, I believe it's for the county, yeah, so till July.

    25. JR

      This is the same fuck-up who thought it would be a good idea to have people rat on people for money.

    26. TP

      Technically, this was not coming from the mayor. This is coming from a health... someone in the Health Department talking at a supervisor meeting or something.

    27. JR

      (sighs)

    28. TP

      So, it was a suggestion, it wasn't a...

    29. JR

      This is not-

    30. TP

      Not an official order, but it's how it was coming, yeah.

  2. 1:413:48

    Density, outbreak patterns, and asymptomatic spread (NYC, prisons)

    1. TP

      So, it's not an official order? Not an official order, but LA is the densest county in America. How about that?

    2. JR

      Is it really?

    3. TP

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      More than New York?

    5. TP

      Yeah. A- a- as a county.

    6. JR

      Hmm. That seems odd, doesn't it?

    7. TP

      It does seem odd. It seems like a lot of people.

    8. JR

      Seems like New York City is... New York City is denser.

    9. TP

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      It's just... New York City is... The- the- the thing about New York City that makes it great is that everybody sort of mingles together.

    11. TP

      Mm-hmm.

    12. JR

      Everybody gets on the subway together, everybody walks together on the streets.

    13. TP

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      It's also the reason why everybody is getting sick together.

    15. TP

      Yeah. But I saw an interesting thing, that the highest... This guy wrote an editorial about, uh, the reasons for New York, and he lives in New York, and he says Staten Island had the highest number. This was written before... I think Brooklyn has now edged it, but at the time, uh, that Staten Island was the highest and it was the least densely populated. And Manhattan, which is the most densely populated, had the fewer number of cases.

    16. JR

      Really?

    17. TP

      Mm-hmm.

    18. JR

      Well, I wonder if that is similar to, you know, what, what they're finding with people that work together-

    19. TP

      Right.

    20. JR

      ... or in prisons, in particularly.

    21. TP

      Mm-hmm.

    22. JR

      Right? They're finding that... There was this one prison they did a study on, 98% of the people were asymptomatic.

    23. TP

      Really?

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. TP

      98%?

    26. JR

      Yeah, 98%.

    27. TP

      Geez.

    28. JR

      It's nuts. Yeah.

    29. TP

      That's wei- yeah, it's weird.

    30. JR

      So, I was bringing it up with a friend of mine, and I was like, um, what... "Do you think this is because..." My friend, Kyle Kulinski, and he was like, "I think it's because their immune systems are strong 'cause they're just interacting with each other constantly."

  3. 3:485:47

    Immune system “atrophy,” online misinformation, and public health messaging

    1. JR

      And now, our immune systems are p- I would imagine, and this is just pure speculation.

    2. TP

      Mm-hmm (laughs) . Yeah.

    3. JR

      But I would imagine that your immune system is like all the other systems of your body, that when it gets tested, it gets stronger, right?

    4. TP

      Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

    5. JR

      So, your immune system right now is being put into a state of atrophy.

    6. TP

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      Because it's not being exposed to anything new.

    8. TP

      It's- it's a, it's in a lounge chair (laughs) .

    9. JR

      It's just chilling.

    10. TP

      It's got sunglasses on.

    11. JR

      It's in a BarcaLounger. (laughs)

    12. TP

      (laughs) Hasn't worked in years. (laughs)

    13. JR

      (laughs) It's got soft legs that cramp up when it goes upstairs.

    14. TP

      (laughs) And all of a sudden, it gets called to go to work-

    15. JR

      Right.

    16. TP

      ... and it's just like, "Dude, what?"

    17. JR

      Wouldn't you imagine that that's the case?

    18. TP

      "Now?" It seems like it, and yeah.

    19. JR

      I would kinda... Yeah, I would kind of imagine-

    20. TP

      It seems like it.

    21. JR

      ... we're setting ourselves up to get really sick if something comes down the pipe.

    22. TP

      Yeah, yeah. Well, that was what was very strange in the beginning of all this, when people were saying that you, you know, that people just spout out, "You can't do anything for your immune system. You can't make it stronger. You can't do-"

    23. JR

      That's nonsense.

    24. TP

      And it was like, "Really?"

    25. JR

      Who is saying that?

    26. TP

      Just online. I- I- I did a thing with, uh...

    27. JR

      (laughs)

    28. TP

      Really (laughs) , just like-

    29. JR

      Online.

    30. TP

      ... just people spouting off (laughs) , yeah.

  4. 5:477:22

    Beach reopening rules and the absurdity of micromanaged restrictions

    1. JR

      I- I think so, too. LA County beaches, uh, beaches reopen May 13th.

    2. TP

      Yes. But you can't hang out on your lounge, you can't hang out on your towel.

    3. JR

      No.

    4. TP

      You gotta go in-

    5. JR

      Ple- Go, make that larger please, go back to where it was.

    6. TP

      You can do water sports.

    7. JR

      No lying or sitting on the sand.

    8. TP

      Right.

    9. JR

      Canopies, coolers or picnicking.

    10. TP

      Right.... you can a- you can be active. You can go swim-

    11. JR

      Parking lots are closed. So where do they expect you to park?

    12. TP

      (laughs) They don't want you to go.

    13. JR

      "Individual family activities and exercise only." Hmm.

    14. TP

      Yeah, so you can go down, you can swim, you could ride the waves, and then get out of the ocean and get back in your car- (laughs)

    15. JR

      Look at this. No-

    16. TP

      ... and get home. (laughs)

    17. JR

      No picnicking. You can't picnic.

    18. JV

      No biking.

    19. TP

      No biking.

    20. JR

      No, why can't you bike?

    21. TP

      I have to say-

    22. JR

      No volleyball?

    23. TP

      ... that, you see that round circle with the slash through it with the giant canopies?

    24. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    25. TP

      Those should be banned all year.

    26. JR

      Oh.

    27. TP

      Have you ever been next to one of those (laughs) on the beach?

    28. JR

      Oh, those are disgusting.

    29. TP

      Oh my God.

    30. JR

      Why- why- why are you allowed to set up camp?

  5. 7:2211:17

    Targeted protection vs broad lockdowns, testing, ventilators, and herd immunity debates

    1. JR

      Well, that's good. That's a, that's a start. I, I think we need to move in the other direction. I think we need to quarantine people that are at risk. That's what I think, really.

    2. TP

      Yes.

    3. JR

      And then let people make their own choices.

    4. JV

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      You know, this, the, the, the idea that these hospitals are gonna be overwhelmed is not true.

    6. TP

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      It's, it's not correct, luckily. We're very fortunate.

    8. TP

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      And the idea that we're gonna run out of ventilators, that's not true either.

    10. TP

      Right.

    11. JR

      So and then also, if that doctor that worked with Michael Yeo, I was telling you this before we started-

    12. TP

      Mm-hmm.

    13. JR

      ... the doctor said that if you put him on a ventilator, he would die, um, 'cause his body would stop trying to breathe and it would just sort of give up. And this is what Michael Yeo's doctor-

    14. TP

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      ... told him and he, he survived. And then we're finding out that a lot of people they put on ventilators don't make it.

    16. TP

      Mm-hmm.

    17. JR

      And I wonder if what he's saying applies to those people.

    18. TP

      Right. He, was he a, his, his a special case of why they didn't want him on the ventilator?

    19. JR

      No, his doctor's just a wise guy. He's just smart-

    20. TP

      Right.

    21. JR

      ... and just figured it out.

    22. TP

      Wow.

    23. JR

      I mean, look-

    24. TP

      (sighs) I mean, it, it's a weird thing to think, you know, what, what if we hadn't done all of these measures, would the hospitals have ... I mean, 'cause the hospitals for a beat were crazy.

    25. JR

      Depends on where you are.

    26. TP

      Yeah, like, if you were in Queens-

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. TP

      ... it was-

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. TP

      ... insane.

  6. 11:1717:19

    Civil liberties, Elon Musk’s factory, and the experiment of state-by-state reopening

    1. JR

      Yeah. It just seems, you know, Elon just opened up his factory in California-

    2. TP

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      ... the Tesla factory, and said, "Come d- come arrest me."

    4. TP

      Right.

    5. JR

      Basically saying, "What you're doing is a violation of civil liberties."

    6. TP

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      "You're, you're telling people that they're not allowed to go to work and that this is, uh, we-"

    8. TP

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      "... we've just become a fascist state."

    10. TP

      Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      See how that goes.

    12. TP

      (inhales) Yeah, I kind of feel like they, they're seeing, like, they know that they'll save lives this way. But they, I mean, look, if you're the, if you're the governor, right?

    13. JR

      What do you do?

    14. TP

      What do you do? I mean-

    15. JR

      Right.

    16. TP

      ... you wanna, you want people to be safe, but you also are looking at the books every day and realizing (laughs) that your state is in need of a trillion dollars to survive. Like, it would be-

    17. JR

      If, if, if ... I mean, if that's it. It might be a lot more than that.

    18. TP

      Yeah. Like, you know-

    19. JR

      That's just based on what we know is active and the businesses that are open right now.

    20. TP

      Right.

    21. JR

      I mean, how many people, like, a friend of mine was saying, "How many people are unemployed right now and they don't even know it?"

    22. TP

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      Their business is just never gonna make it.

    24. TP

      Right.

    25. JR

      And then also, there's gonna be less people with money, so there's gonna be less spending, so these economies-

    26. TP

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      ... are gonna need some sort of a resurgence.

    28. TP

      So if you're the governor, you're not-... out there just to control people and take away their civil liberties because you're screwing (laughs) yourself on the other end, you know, with people being broke and the economy falling apart, so you're in this-

    29. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    30. TP

      ... in this spot. I do not envy it.

  7. 17:191:05:48

    Masks, shifting guidance, and the confusion of pandemic information flow

    1. TP

      It is preposterous. But the other part of the United States of America, and then we all get to make our own rules and see, this experiment is like, the information flow is so confusing.

    2. JR

      Yep.

    3. TP

      It's been so ... I mean, from the first time we heard about it in January, like, "There's this thing." I have been looking at my phone every day going, "Is that true? Is, is this right?"

    4. JR

      Right.

    5. TP

      "Is, is this true? Is that ... Wait."

    6. JR

      "Well, I read it on Twitter."

    7. TP

      "No masks, now a mask, now not a mask." And-

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. TP

      You know what I mean? Like-

    10. JR

      Well, even Fauci. I posted something on, from 60 Minutes-

    11. TP

      I did.

    12. JR

      ... yesterday.

    13. TP

      I read that. I saw that.

    14. JR

      That, that Fauci was saying you don't need to wear a mask. This was like-

    15. TP

      That was early, right?

    16. JR

      ... two months ago.

    17. TP

      That was early.

    18. JR

      Fucking March-

    19. TP

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      ... is not that early, man.

    21. TP

      I know, but that's when they were saying no mask because they didn't have masks. (laughs)

    22. JR

      Is that why?

    23. TP

      I think so. (laughs)

    24. JR

      Well, maybe. But he was saying you don't ... He says specifically you don't need a mask.

    25. TP

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      But-... look, there's people out there wearing masks-

    27. TP

      It's confusing.

    28. JR

      ... while they're driving in their cars. That's why I put it up, you fuck.

    29. TP

      (laughs) Right.

    30. JR

      'Cause I see these fucking dorks. Like-

  8. 23:4631:41

    Comedy’s shutdown, empty-arena UFC, and the logistics of reopening live events

    1. TP

      I know. I got an offer to go do sh- shows in a club in a couple weeks.

    2. JR

      Addison Improv's opened back up.

    3. TP

      Mm-hmm.

    4. JR

      Apparently they're opening back up this weekend. Texas doesn't give a fuck.

    5. TP

      (laughs)

    6. JR

      I love it. (sighs)

    7. TP

      Would you perform?

    8. JR

      Yes.

    9. TP

      Would you go to a club?

    10. JR

      I would book it. Yeah.

    11. TP

      I wanna do it.

    12. JR

      Look, I don't know what I'm gonna do, man. I mean, if July is legit-

    13. TP

      Uh-huh.

    14. JR

      ... if that's really when we go back, that's too many months.

    15. TP

      It's a lot of months.

    16. JR

      Too many months to not do standup.

    17. TP

      (inhales deeply) I know. I start feeling a little weird.

    18. JR

      Well, also, your standup's gonna suck.

    19. TP

      Well...

    20. JR

      Okay? We were talking about how your cardiovascular system goes down.

    21. TP

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      How about your standup system?

    23. TP

      (laughs) I know. We'll get that back quick though.

    24. JR

      We will. Yeah.

    25. TP

      But, but man.

    26. JR

      If you get there on Wednesday, by Friday you'll have your system back.

    27. TP

      Yeah, you'll be good. You'll be good to go.

    28. JR

      Maybe.

    29. TP

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      Your voice will be sore.

  9. 31:4150:30

    Russian slap fighting, street-fight breakdowns, and ‘nature combat’ videos

    1. JR

      Dude, I woke up this morning and I spent the first hour of my day watching Russian slap fighting videos.

    2. TP

      (laughs) Of course you did.

    3. JR

      (sighs)

    4. TP

      (laughs)

    5. JR

      It might be the dumbest thing that's going on today.

    6. TP

      Y- it's slap fighting?

    7. JR

      Yeah, they just stand in f... You know what it is?

    8. TP

      No.

    9. JR

      Oh, my God.

    10. TP

      Oh, is that when the two guys... It looks like they're gonna arm wrestle?

    11. JR

      They just stand in front of each other-

    12. TP

      (laughs)

    13. JR

      ... and they let each other slap each other in the face. And f- first of all, whoever goes first has such a monster advantage.

    14. TP

      (laughs) Yeah, of course.

    15. JR

      'Cause they ki-... They KO each other-

    16. TP

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      ... all the time. These are huge, these huge guys and they swing from the hip and the other guy doesn't even move.

    18. TP

      (laughs)

    19. JR

      And they open palm strike each other in the face. I spent an hour today.

    20. TP

      Is this- is this new? Or was this, like-

    21. JR

      I don't-

    22. TP

      ... an old Trd- Russian tradition?

    23. JR

      I don't know. I don't know how long it's been around for.

    24. TP

      (laughs)

    25. JR

      I re-... I think the first time-

    26. TP

      So funny.

    27. JR

      ... I watched it was, like, about a year or two ago-

    28. TP

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      ... maybe?

    30. TP

      Mm-hmm.

  10. 50:3053:19

    Book release: ‘You’re Doing Great’ and pandemic-era audiobook recording

    1. TP

      Hey, thanks for signing my book, Joe.

    2. JR

      I didn't sign your book, bitch.

    3. TP

      I didn't ... I mean, no, but you put a quote on the back.

    4. JR

      Oh, that's right, I did. And it comes out today, right?

    5. TP

      It comes out today.

    6. JR

      Uh, you, you just segued into book sales, did you?

    7. TP

      I did.

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. TP

      I did. It means a lot.

    10. JR

      What is it called?

    11. TP

      It means a lot that you did this.

    12. JR

      Oh, please, I love you. It says, "You're, you're doing great."

    13. TP

      Yep. You're Doing Great: Another Reasons to Stay Alive.

    14. JR

      But everybody's not doing great.

    15. TP

      Yeah, you are. It's just relative.

    16. JR

      Some people, some people aren't doing well.

    17. TP

      Well, not everybody.

    18. JR

      Look at it.

    19. TP

      And Other Reasons to Stay Alive. I had no idea how relevant it was gonna be when the ... when I wrote it.

    20. JR

      I'm in lofty company here, on the book. Patton Oswalt, Matt Damon, and Whitney Cummings. Ooh.

    21. TP

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      You have some powerful friends. Ooh.

    23. TP

      All good people.

    24. JR

      Dude, this is a real long book. How long did it take you to write this bitch?

    25. TP

      Uh, a year and a half.

    26. JR

      Really?

    27. TP

      Yeah, about that.

    28. JR

      How many pages?

    29. TP

      About 300.

    30. JR

      Wow.

  11. 53:191:13:30

    Cruise ships, touring life re-evaluation, and shifting comedy careers

    1. JR

      Tim Dillon was here a couple weeks ago and had an epic rant on cruise ships.

    2. TP

      Oh, really? (laughs)

    3. JR

      And we found out while he was here-

    4. TP

      (laughs)

    5. JR

      We found out while he was here that it costs $25 a week to be on one of those cruise ships.

    6. TP

      What does that mean?

    7. JR

      It costs $25 a week.

    8. TP

      For someone to be on?

    9. JR

      Isn't that what it was?

    10. JV

      I think it was like, it was like $100 for a four-day cruise. So it was like $25 a day.

    11. JR

      Oh.

    12. JV

      Normally it was like, $1,000 or $2,000 or something crazy.

    13. JR

      There was Starship Troopers 3?

    14. JV

      That's right.

    15. TP

      Uh-huh.

    16. JR

      There was like, $100 ... It was more than a four-day cruise. It was uh, like, five to seven.

    17. JV

      Could've been, yeah, like Mexico or wherever it was.

    18. JR

      Right. So, okay, we broke it down to how many, how many dollars it was a day.

    19. TP

      Right.

    20. JR

      So it's like-

    21. TP

      I'm confused, though.

    22. JR

      Less than ... It was less than $20 a day. Right?

    23. JV

      Mm-hmm.

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. TP

      What the cost of what you do?

    26. JR

      To be on a cruise ship.

    27. TP

      Uh-huh.

    28. JR

      It's better than being homeless.

    29. TP

      Oh.

    30. JR

      Like, we were, we were like, "How many homeless people just go on a cruise ship because it's all you can eat?"

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