The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience #1473 - Tom Papa
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150 min read · 30,028 words- 0:00 – 1:41
LA’s extended stay-at-home order and economic fallout
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs) Okay.
- TPTom Papa
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, what were you just saying, Jamie?
- TPTom Papa
(sighs) We have LA's stay-at-home order will likely remain in place for the next three months unless there is a, quote, "dramatic change to the virus and tools at hand," officials say.
- JRJoe Rogan
How are people supposed to feed themselves? Like, r- really, realistically, how do they expect this to work?
- TPTom Papa
You go out to work, and then you skitter back home.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's not what they're saying. That's not what stay at home means. Stay at home means you don't go to work.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah. But at the same time, they're opening up businesses, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
They're opening up very few businesses, and you have to get curbside for retail.
- TPTom Papa
I heard our governor in the state of California say that 70% of businesses are open now.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, if that's the case, even if that was the case, let's say 30% of people are out of work.
- TPTom Papa
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's catastrophic.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah., It's a lot.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I don't think it's true. I don't- I don't think 70% of the places are open.
- TPTom Papa
That's what he said, 70% of the businesses.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, even if they're open, they're not open at 100% capacity.
- TPTom Papa
Or they're probably working from home, like offices, he's probably counting offices.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- TPTom Papa
And those people are still working and getting paid, but they're doing it from home.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, this is just LA?
- TPTom Papa
LA County. Just LA, yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, that means, uh, like, Comedy Store has no chance?
- TPTom Papa
(clicks tongue) Yeah, I believe it's for the county, yeah, so till July.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is the same fuck-up who thought it would be a good idea to have people rat on people for money.
- TPTom Papa
Technically, this was not coming from the mayor. This is coming from a health... someone in the Health Department talking at a supervisor meeting or something.
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs)
- TPTom Papa
So, it was a suggestion, it wasn't a...
- JRJoe Rogan
This is not-
- TPTom Papa
Not an official order, but it's how it was coming, yeah.
- 1:41 – 3:48
Density, outbreak patterns, and asymptomatic spread (NYC, prisons)
- TPTom Papa
So, it's not an official order? Not an official order, but LA is the densest county in America. How about that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Is it really?
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
More than New York?
- TPTom Papa
Yeah. A- a- as a county.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm. That seems odd, doesn't it?
- TPTom Papa
It does seem odd. It seems like a lot of people.
- JRJoe Rogan
Seems like New York City is... New York City is denser.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's just... New York City is... The- the- the thing about New York City that makes it great is that everybody sort of mingles together.
- TPTom Papa
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Everybody gets on the subway together, everybody walks together on the streets.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's also the reason why everybody is getting sick together.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah. But I saw an interesting thing, that the highest... This guy wrote an editorial about, uh, the reasons for New York, and he lives in New York, and he says Staten Island had the highest number. This was written before... I think Brooklyn has now edged it, but at the time, uh, that Staten Island was the highest and it was the least densely populated. And Manhattan, which is the most densely populated, had the fewer number of cases.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- TPTom Papa
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I wonder if that is similar to, you know, what, what they're finding with people that work together-
- TPTom Papa
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... or in prisons, in particularly.
- TPTom Papa
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right? They're finding that... There was this one prison they did a study on, 98% of the people were asymptomatic.
- TPTom Papa
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTom Papa
98%?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, 98%.
- TPTom Papa
Geez.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's nuts. Yeah.
- TPTom Papa
That's wei- yeah, it's weird.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, I was bringing it up with a friend of mine, and I was like, um, what... "Do you think this is because..." My friend, Kyle Kulinski, and he was like, "I think it's because their immune systems are strong 'cause they're just interacting with each other constantly."
- 3:48 – 5:47
Immune system “atrophy,” online misinformation, and public health messaging
- JRJoe Rogan
And now, our immune systems are p- I would imagine, and this is just pure speculation.
- TPTom Papa
Mm-hmm (laughs) . Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But I would imagine that your immune system is like all the other systems of your body, that when it gets tested, it gets stronger, right?
- TPTom Papa
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, your immune system right now is being put into a state of atrophy.
- TPTom Papa
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because it's not being exposed to anything new.
- TPTom Papa
It's- it's a, it's in a lounge chair (laughs) .
- JRJoe Rogan
It's just chilling.
- TPTom Papa
It's got sunglasses on.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's in a BarcaLounger. (laughs)
- TPTom Papa
(laughs) Hasn't worked in years. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) It's got soft legs that cramp up when it goes upstairs.
- TPTom Papa
(laughs) And all of a sudden, it gets called to go to work-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTom Papa
... and it's just like, "Dude, what?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Wouldn't you imagine that that's the case?
- TPTom Papa
"Now?" It seems like it, and yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I would kinda... Yeah, I would kind of imagine-
- TPTom Papa
It seems like it.
- JRJoe Rogan
... we're setting ourselves up to get really sick if something comes down the pipe.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah, yeah. Well, that was what was very strange in the beginning of all this, when people were saying that you, you know, that people just spout out, "You can't do anything for your immune system. You can't make it stronger. You can't do-"
- JRJoe Rogan
That's nonsense.
- TPTom Papa
And it was like, "Really?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Who is saying that?
- TPTom Papa
Just online. I- I- I did a thing with, uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TPTom Papa
Really (laughs) , just like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Online.
- TPTom Papa
... just people spouting off (laughs) , yeah.
- 5:47 – 7:22
Beach reopening rules and the absurdity of micromanaged restrictions
- JRJoe Rogan
I- I think so, too. LA County beaches, uh, beaches reopen May 13th.
- TPTom Papa
Yes. But you can't hang out on your lounge, you can't hang out on your towel.
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- TPTom Papa
You gotta go in-
- JRJoe Rogan
Ple- Go, make that larger please, go back to where it was.
- TPTom Papa
You can do water sports.
- JRJoe Rogan
No lying or sitting on the sand.
- TPTom Papa
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Canopies, coolers or picnicking.
- TPTom Papa
Right.... you can a- you can be active. You can go swim-
- JRJoe Rogan
Parking lots are closed. So where do they expect you to park?
- TPTom Papa
(laughs) They don't want you to go.
- JRJoe Rogan
"Individual family activities and exercise only." Hmm.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah, so you can go down, you can swim, you could ride the waves, and then get out of the ocean and get back in your car- (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at this. No-
- TPTom Papa
... and get home. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
No picnicking. You can't picnic.
- JVJamie Vernon
No biking.
- TPTom Papa
No biking.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, why can't you bike?
- TPTom Papa
I have to say-
- JRJoe Rogan
No volleyball?
- TPTom Papa
... that, you see that round circle with the slash through it with the giant canopies?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TPTom Papa
Those should be banned all year.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- TPTom Papa
Have you ever been next to one of those (laughs) on the beach?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, those are disgusting.
- TPTom Papa
Oh my God.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why- why- why are you allowed to set up camp?
- 7:22 – 11:17
Targeted protection vs broad lockdowns, testing, ventilators, and herd immunity debates
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, that's good. That's a, that's a start. I, I think we need to move in the other direction. I think we need to quarantine people that are at risk. That's what I think, really.
- TPTom Papa
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then let people make their own choices.
- JVJamie Vernon
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, this, the, the, the idea that these hospitals are gonna be overwhelmed is not true.
- TPTom Papa
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, it's not correct, luckily. We're very fortunate.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And the idea that we're gonna run out of ventilators, that's not true either.
- TPTom Papa
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So and then also, if that doctor that worked with Michael Yeo, I was telling you this before we started-
- TPTom Papa
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the doctor said that if you put him on a ventilator, he would die, um, 'cause his body would stop trying to breathe and it would just sort of give up. And this is what Michael Yeo's doctor-
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... told him and he, he survived. And then we're finding out that a lot of people they put on ventilators don't make it.
- TPTom Papa
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I wonder if what he's saying applies to those people.
- TPTom Papa
Right. He, was he a, his, his a special case of why they didn't want him on the ventilator?
- JRJoe Rogan
No, his doctor's just a wise guy. He's just smart-
- TPTom Papa
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and just figured it out.
- TPTom Papa
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, look-
- TPTom Papa
(sighs) I mean, it, it's a weird thing to think, you know, what, what if we hadn't done all of these measures, would the hospitals have ... I mean, 'cause the hospitals for a beat were crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Depends on where you are.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah, like, if you were in Queens-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTom Papa
... it was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTom Papa
... insane.
- 11:17 – 17:19
Civil liberties, Elon Musk’s factory, and the experiment of state-by-state reopening
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It just seems, you know, Elon just opened up his factory in California-
- TPTom Papa
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the Tesla factory, and said, "Come d- come arrest me."
- TPTom Papa
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Basically saying, "What you're doing is a violation of civil liberties."
- TPTom Papa
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
"You're, you're telling people that they're not allowed to go to work and that this is, uh, we-"
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"... we've just become a fascist state."
- TPTom Papa
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
See how that goes.
- TPTom Papa
(inhales) Yeah, I kind of feel like they, they're seeing, like, they know that they'll save lives this way. But they, I mean, look, if you're the, if you're the governor, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
What do you do?
- TPTom Papa
What do you do? I mean-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTom Papa
... you wanna, you want people to be safe, but you also are looking at the books every day and realizing (laughs) that your state is in need of a trillion dollars to survive. Like, it would be-
- JRJoe Rogan
If, if, if ... I mean, if that's it. It might be a lot more than that.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah. Like, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's just based on what we know is active and the businesses that are open right now.
- TPTom Papa
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, how many people, like, a friend of mine was saying, "How many people are unemployed right now and they don't even know it?"
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Their business is just never gonna make it.
- TPTom Papa
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then also, there's gonna be less people with money, so there's gonna be less spending, so these economies-
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... are gonna need some sort of a resurgence.
- TPTom Papa
So if you're the governor, you're not-... out there just to control people and take away their civil liberties because you're screwing (laughs) yourself on the other end, you know, with people being broke and the economy falling apart, so you're in this-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TPTom Papa
... in this spot. I do not envy it.
- 17:19 – 1:05:48
Masks, shifting guidance, and the confusion of pandemic information flow
- TPTom Papa
It is preposterous. But the other part of the United States of America, and then we all get to make our own rules and see, this experiment is like, the information flow is so confusing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yep.
- TPTom Papa
It's been so ... I mean, from the first time we heard about it in January, like, "There's this thing." I have been looking at my phone every day going, "Is that true? Is, is this right?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTom Papa
"Is, is this true? Is that ... Wait."
- JRJoe Rogan
"Well, I read it on Twitter."
- TPTom Papa
"No masks, now a mask, now not a mask." And-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTom Papa
You know what I mean? Like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, even Fauci. I posted something on, from 60 Minutes-
- TPTom Papa
I did.
- JRJoe Rogan
... yesterday.
- TPTom Papa
I read that. I saw that.
- JRJoe Rogan
That, that Fauci was saying you don't need to wear a mask. This was like-
- TPTom Papa
That was early, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
... two months ago.
- TPTom Papa
That was early.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fucking March-
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... is not that early, man.
- TPTom Papa
I know, but that's when they were saying no mask because they didn't have masks. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that why?
- TPTom Papa
I think so. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, maybe. But he was saying you don't ... He says specifically you don't need a mask.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But-... look, there's people out there wearing masks-
- TPTom Papa
It's confusing.
- JRJoe Rogan
... while they're driving in their cars. That's why I put it up, you fuck.
- TPTom Papa
(laughs) Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause I see these fucking dorks. Like-
- 23:46 – 31:41
Comedy’s shutdown, empty-arena UFC, and the logistics of reopening live events
- TPTom Papa
I know. I got an offer to go do sh- shows in a club in a couple weeks.
- JRJoe Rogan
Addison Improv's opened back up.
- TPTom Papa
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Apparently they're opening back up this weekend. Texas doesn't give a fuck.
- TPTom Papa
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I love it. (sighs)
- TPTom Papa
Would you perform?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TPTom Papa
Would you go to a club?
- JRJoe Rogan
I would book it. Yeah.
- TPTom Papa
I wanna do it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look, I don't know what I'm gonna do, man. I mean, if July is legit-
- TPTom Papa
Uh-huh.
- JRJoe Rogan
... if that's really when we go back, that's too many months.
- TPTom Papa
It's a lot of months.
- JRJoe Rogan
Too many months to not do standup.
- TPTom Papa
(inhales deeply) I know. I start feeling a little weird.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, also, your standup's gonna suck.
- TPTom Papa
Well...
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay? We were talking about how your cardiovascular system goes down.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
How about your standup system?
- TPTom Papa
(laughs) I know. We'll get that back quick though.
- JRJoe Rogan
We will. Yeah.
- TPTom Papa
But, but man.
- JRJoe Rogan
If you get there on Wednesday, by Friday you'll have your system back.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah, you'll be good. You'll be good to go.
- JRJoe Rogan
Maybe.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Your voice will be sore.
- 31:41 – 50:30
Russian slap fighting, street-fight breakdowns, and ‘nature combat’ videos
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, I woke up this morning and I spent the first hour of my day watching Russian slap fighting videos.
- TPTom Papa
(laughs) Of course you did.
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs)
- TPTom Papa
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It might be the dumbest thing that's going on today.
- TPTom Papa
Y- it's slap fighting?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, they just stand in f... You know what it is?
- TPTom Papa
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, my God.
- TPTom Papa
Oh, is that when the two guys... It looks like they're gonna arm wrestle?
- JRJoe Rogan
They just stand in front of each other-
- TPTom Papa
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... and they let each other slap each other in the face. And f- first of all, whoever goes first has such a monster advantage.
- TPTom Papa
(laughs) Yeah, of course.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause they ki-... They KO each other-
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... all the time. These are huge, these huge guys and they swing from the hip and the other guy doesn't even move.
- TPTom Papa
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And they open palm strike each other in the face. I spent an hour today.
- TPTom Papa
Is this- is this new? Or was this, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't-
- TPTom Papa
... an old Trd- Russian tradition?
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know. I don't know how long it's been around for.
- TPTom Papa
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I re-... I think the first time-
- TPTom Papa
So funny.
- JRJoe Rogan
... I watched it was, like, about a year or two ago-
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... maybe?
- TPTom Papa
Mm-hmm.
- 50:30 – 53:19
Book release: ‘You’re Doing Great’ and pandemic-era audiobook recording
- TPTom Papa
Hey, thanks for signing my book, Joe.
- JRJoe Rogan
I didn't sign your book, bitch.
- TPTom Papa
I didn't ... I mean, no, but you put a quote on the back.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, that's right, I did. And it comes out today, right?
- TPTom Papa
It comes out today.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, you, you just segued into book sales, did you?
- TPTom Papa
I did.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TPTom Papa
I did. It means a lot.
- JRJoe Rogan
What is it called?
- TPTom Papa
It means a lot that you did this.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, please, I love you. It says, "You're, you're doing great."
- TPTom Papa
Yep. You're Doing Great: Another Reasons to Stay Alive.
- JRJoe Rogan
But everybody's not doing great.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah, you are. It's just relative.
- JRJoe Rogan
Some people, some people aren't doing well.
- TPTom Papa
Well, not everybody.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at it.
- TPTom Papa
And Other Reasons to Stay Alive. I had no idea how relevant it was gonna be when the ... when I wrote it.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm in lofty company here, on the book. Patton Oswalt, Matt Damon, and Whitney Cummings. Ooh.
- TPTom Papa
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You have some powerful friends. Ooh.
- TPTom Papa
All good people.
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, this is a real long book. How long did it take you to write this bitch?
- TPTom Papa
Uh, a year and a half.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- TPTom Papa
Yeah, about that.
- JRJoe Rogan
How many pages?
- TPTom Papa
About 300.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- 53:19 – 1:13:30
Cruise ships, touring life re-evaluation, and shifting comedy careers
- JRJoe Rogan
Tim Dillon was here a couple weeks ago and had an epic rant on cruise ships.
- TPTom Papa
Oh, really? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And we found out while he was here-
- TPTom Papa
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
We found out while he was here that it costs $25 a week to be on one of those cruise ships.
- TPTom Papa
What does that mean?
- JRJoe Rogan
It costs $25 a week.
- TPTom Papa
For someone to be on?
- JRJoe Rogan
Isn't that what it was?
- JVJamie Vernon
I think it was like, it was like $100 for a four-day cruise. So it was like $25 a day.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- JVJamie Vernon
Normally it was like, $1,000 or $2,000 or something crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
There was Starship Troopers 3?
- JVJamie Vernon
That's right.
- TPTom Papa
Uh-huh.
- JRJoe Rogan
There was like, $100 ... It was more than a four-day cruise. It was uh, like, five to seven.
- JVJamie Vernon
Could've been, yeah, like Mexico or wherever it was.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. So, okay, we broke it down to how many, how many dollars it was a day.
- TPTom Papa
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So it's like-
- TPTom Papa
I'm confused, though.
- JRJoe Rogan
Less than ... It was less than $20 a day. Right?
- JVJamie Vernon
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTom Papa
What the cost of what you do?
- JRJoe Rogan
To be on a cruise ship.
- TPTom Papa
Uh-huh.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's better than being homeless.
- TPTom Papa
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, we were, we were like, "How many homeless people just go on a cruise ship because it's all you can eat?"
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