Joe Rogan Experience #1475 - Bridget Phetasy

Joe Rogan 0:01 Bridget!

Bridget Phetasy 0:03 Hey-o.

Joe Rogan 0:03 You're here.

Bridget Phetasy 0:05 Yeah.

0:05 I came to make a citizen's arrest. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:06 Oh, congrats. Ooh. It's touchy these days.

Bridget Phetasy 0:10 We're m- less than six feet apart, I believe.

Joe Rogan 0:13 I think we're okay.

Bridget Phetasy 0:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:14 But did you see-

Bridget Phetasy 0:14 Do we need to wear masks? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:15 Um, no. We don't.

Bridget Phetasy 0:16 Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:16 Well, you don't. You got tested and I've been tested too.

Bridget Phetasy 0:19 I got one of the Joe Rogan tests.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Yes. Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 0:21 I feel special.

Joe Rogan 0:23 Y- you are special.

Bridget Phetasy 0:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:24 Um, did you see that the, L.A. is ... They're, they have a number now where you can turn in businesses that, uh, aren't complying?

Bridget Phetasy 0:32 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:32 Like, what, what is going on?

Bridget Phetasy 0:34 Why?

Joe Rogan 0:34 W- what is this?

Bridget Phetasy 0:35 Who's doing that?

Joe Rogan 0:36 But this is bad government. Listen, there's zero effort talking about, uh, giving people information on how to strengthen your immune system. Zero.

Bridget Phetasy 0:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:45 Zero effort. Zero effort telli- talking to people about lowering stress levels through meditation and exercise. Zero.

Bridget Phetasy 0:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:51 Zero. The importance of keeping your body healthy, zero. Zero talk about this.

Bridget Phetasy 0:56 Yeah, the-

Joe Rogan 0:56 Zero concentrating on the, the, the, the new data that's coming in about vitamins and all the, the different vitamin deficiencies.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03 Vitamin D.

Joe Rogan 1:03 Yes. Dr. Rhonda Patrick knocked it all outta the park on the podcast yesterday.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08 Fuck, man. It's crazy. These people are just like, "Stay home." Locked up. Locked up, stay inside.

Bridget Phetasy 1:12 But aside from the government, snitches get stitches.

Joe Rogan 1:14 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 1:14 This is basic childhood etiquette.

Joe Rogan 1:17 Well, they were first giving snitches for people who were violating social distancing.

Bridget Phetasy 1:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:20 But now they're moving on to businesses that are non-compliant.

Bridget Phetasy 1:24 But how are you supposed to make money? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:25 How are you supposed to make money? I don't understand this. Like, what is the thought bi- ... Here's the crazy thing. Garcetti said, "We're gonna keep L.A. on at least partial lockdown until there's a cure."

Bridget Phetasy 1:37 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:37 There's not gonna be a cure, you fucking dummy. It's a virus.

Bridget Phetasy 1:40 And it's ... Isn't it a cold virus?

Joe Rogan 1:42 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 1:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:43 You don't cure viruses.

Bridget Phetasy 1:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:45 I- and unless you find a way to eradicate it from the, the actual gene pool, you just-

Bridget Phetasy 1:50 But did he actually say that?

Joe Rogan 1:51 Yes. Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 1:52 That was an actual-

Joe Rogan 1:52 He said, "Until there's a cure." You can't say that.

Bridget Phetasy 1:54 No.

Joe Rogan 1:54 I- first of all, I'm sure what he meant is, like, a viable treatment that, you know, uh, a vaccine. But they're saying that even a vaccine ... There's never been a coronavirus vaccine.

Bridget Phetasy 2:06 W-

Joe Rogan 2:06 "Mayor, L.A. will never be com- never completely reopen until we have a cure." That's his, that's his quote.

Bridget Phetasy 2:13 That, that just seems ... I mean, we don't have a cure for the flu. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:17 That poor lady who is the health lady, someone needs to give her a steak and let her lie outside in the sun.

Bridget Phetasy 2:22 (laughs) Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 2:23 Like, Jesus Christ, you're the health lady.

Bridget Phetasy 2:27 I, I heard you're moving.

Joe Rogan 2:28 She looks hard.

Bridget Phetasy 2:29 That's been on the, on the wires. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:30 Listen, we're, we're all talking about it. All of us talk about it. Everyone.

Bridget Phetasy 2:34 Oh, all of ... Who?

Joe Rogan 2:35 E- all my friends.

Bridget Phetasy 2:36 Oh.

Joe Rogan 2:36 Callan, Schaub, Joey Diaz. Everyone.

Bridget Phetasy 2:39 You can just start like a-

Joe Rogan 2:41 Everyone's talked about it. A cult.

Bridget Phetasy 2:41 ... a Davidian ranch? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:42 We're gonna call it a cult. We're just gonna be up, up and, uh, upfront about it.

Bridget Phetasy 2:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:46 All these people hide the fact they have a cult.

Bridget Phetasy 2:48 10 years from-

Joe Rogan 2:48 We're just gonna call it a cult.

Bridget Phetasy 2:49 (laughs) 10 years from now it's just Waco and it's-

Joe Rogan 2:52 Yeah. No name.

Bridget Phetasy 2:53 ... Joe. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:53 We're just gonna call it the cult. We'll just g- we'll have the band play, The Cult. "Sanctuary." (laughs) .

Bridget Phetasy 2:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:59 That's a great band.

Bridget Phetasy 3:00 I would, I would join if you started-

Joe Rogan 3:02 Underrated.

Bridget Phetasy 3:02 Yeah. It is.

Joe Rogan 3:02 Super underrated band.

Bridget Phetasy 3:03 It is.

Joe Rogan 3:03 The Cult?

Bridget Phetasy 3:04 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:04 "Love Removal Machine." Holy fuck, that's a good jam to work out to.

Bridget Phetasy 3:08 (laughs) I would probably join your cult.

Joe Rogan 3:09 Thank you.

Bridget Phetasy 3:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:10 I would have you. I would have you in my cult.

Bridget Phetasy 3:11 Oh, thank you. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:11 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 3:12 Hi.

Joe Rogan 3:12 I basically have everybody if you're nice. Just be nice and tell the truth. And if you fuck up, tell the truth about that. We'll, we love you. This is the idea of the cult. We'll just call it The Cult.

Bridget Phetasy 3:20 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 3:21 And we just get a gigantic chunk of land somewhere and start building.

Bridget Phetasy 3:24 D- What do I have to pay?

Joe Rogan 3:27 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 3:27 What are the dues? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:28 No dues. No dues. That's the key. That's where everything goes wrong. Here's ... There's two ways things go wrong. The cult leader, that's a problem. You should never have a cult leader.

Bridget Phetasy 3:36 So you're not the leader.

Joe Rogan 3:37 No. There's no leader.

Bridget Phetasy 3:38 There ... It's just an amorphous cult.

Joe Rogan 3:39 Can't be a leader. Yeah. I, I think everybody should be informed and get to vote. That's how it should be.

Bridget Phetasy 3:44 Okay.

Joe Rogan 3:45 But you have to be informed.

Bridget Phetasy 3:46 So you're basically- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:46 You can't just vote. You should ... You gotta be informed and get to vote.

Bridget Phetasy 3:50 (laughs) You're starting your own state. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:52 Something like that.

Bridget Phetasy 3:53 The State of Romin. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:53 But a few thousand acres. That's all we need. A few thousand acres in, like, Colorado or Montana.

Bridget Phetasy 3:57 And helicopters.

Joe Rogan 3:58 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 3:59 I know.

Joe Rogan 3:59 A lot of other shit. I got some plans.

Bridget Phetasy 4:01 I've been looking at Idaho.

Joe Rogan 4:03 (laughs) Idaho's good.

Bridget Phetasy 4:04 I know.

Joe Rogan 4:04 Wyoming's g- ... Idaho ... By, by the way, Boise is ... I don't even wanna talk about it right now on the podcast-

Bridget Phetasy 4:09 'Cause you-

Joe Rogan 4:09 ... 'cause I wanna blow it up for Boise.

Bridget Phetasy 4:11 They get mad at me when I talk about going to Idaho.

Joe Rogan 4:13 They get mad.

Bridget Phetasy 4:13 They're like, "Don't give away our secret. Let everyone go to Texas."

Joe Rogan 4:15 I did a show in Boise a little over a year ago and I was like, "I feel like I should not tell people about this."

Bridget Phetasy 4:21 (laughs) Like, keep it a secret. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:22 Like, "This is a goddamn secret." Like, you guys have this really cool town. Boise's this really cool town. It's a little red. But hey, I get along with people that are red, by the way, more, a lot of times, than I get along with people that are, like, uh, ideologically left. Like, without thinking about it.

Bridget Phetasy 4:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:40 You know, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's, there's people that are left 'cause they're compassionate and, and-

Bridget Phetasy 4:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:44 ... and the, the ... You know, they, they want people to have freedom and the choice to do whatever they want to do with their body and, you know?

Bridget Phetasy 4:50 Were you raised Democrat?

Joe Rogan 4:51 No. Yeah. Yes. Democrat. Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 4:53 Okay. 'Cause you're from-

Joe Rogan 4:53 Well, I was raised, raised hippie.

Bridget Phetasy 4:55 Okay.

Joe Rogan 4:55 My parents were hip- ... My, my stepfather had long hair down to his ass. My parents went from New Jersey, like, really Italian neighborhood to San Francisco.

Bridget Phetasy 5:05 Mm-hmm. Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 5:05 And then became a hippie. But my stepdad was a hippie when my mom, mom met him, and then we moved across the country when I was seven.

Bridget Phetasy 5:11 Okay.

Joe Rogan 5:11 It was ... We lived in San Francisco in, like, in the middle of, like, where Lombard Street is.

Bridget Phetasy 5:17 So you were like-

Joe Rogan 5:17 It was all just flower children and gay people-

Bridget Phetasy 5:20 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:20 ... and fuck this war. Like, I was in San Francisco when the Vietnam War broke.

Bridget Phetasy 5:24 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 5:24 When I was a little kid. When it ended. When, when the war ended, rather. And I remember thinking, like, "Wow, they'll ... They're never gonna have war again. They figured it out."

Bridget Phetasy 5:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:32 "Thank God."

Bridget Phetasy 5:33 And (laughs) that's been-

Joe Rogan 5:34 I really thought that. I was like, because I was worried.

Bridget Phetasy 5:36 I'm like, "Oh."

Joe Rogan 5:36 'Cause, you know, there's people that were around me that were ... You know, if there was younger folks, they were worried about being drafted.

Bridget Phetasy 5:40 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:41 You know?

Bridget Phetasy 5:42 And so you were pretty indoctrinated with a- all of that?

Joe Rogan 5:45 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 5:45 Okay.

Joe Rogan 5:46 But it's ... I don't think that's what's going on here with, with the left today.... there, there's a lot of weird cult shit. It really is like cult shit. It's like religious shit. It's like instead of thinking rationally and looking at the faults of both sides, the faults of one side are completely ignored or exonerated or, you know, you find a way to forgive it or to, to find out for ... Y- you do mental gymnastics until you can-

Bridget Phetasy 6:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:11 ... f- let, let them get away with all sorts of heinous shit, privacy invasing, sh- invading shit, going after whistleblowers, drone attacks, like fucking across the board.

Bridget Phetasy 6:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:20 Everything, right?

Bridget Phetasy 6:21 But I would say this is true about the MAGA-ists too.

Joe Rogan 6:25 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 6:25 You know, there's-

Joe Rogan 6:26 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 6:26 ... there's a certain amount of t- I mean, speaking of cults. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:30 Yes. Yeah, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 6:30 It's a little bit like dear leader-y. You, you k-

Joe Rogan 6:33 They fell into something. They fell into something. You know, they fell into a, the, the spell of a powerful figure that's stand-

Bridget Phetasy 6:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:40 They d- they feel like they don't have a word in.

Bridget Phetasy 6:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:42 They feel like they don't ... they're not represented. First of all, it's really hard for assholes to find a king. Like all kings are noble, like most of the, the people that were running for president, most of the people that were president, they were at least outwardly noble. They weren't the type of people that talk shit on someone's-

Bridget Phetasy 6:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:59 ... call someone horse face on Twitter, you know, so it's-

Bridget Phetasy 7:02 There was a certain amount of digni- ... They were dignified to a cert-

Joe Rogan 7:06 Yeah. Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 7:06 ... certain extent.

Joe Rogan 7:07 And Trump is Trump. Love him or hate him, he's Trump. And assholes have a king now. They never had a king before. And there's a lot of assholes. It's a, it's a large market.

Bridget Phetasy 7:17 Well, what's interesting I think on the left and what you're saying is it's more of a religion and it's, it's, uh, a f- free floating ideology that everybody's a b- a bit enamored by, but they don't have that one personality that they-

Joe Rogan 7:30 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 7:30 ... rally around and that they focus on.

Joe Rogan 7:32 Right. It's showing, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 7:32 And they feel like they don't have a voice either. So it's very similar feelings, I think, that drive that.

Joe Rogan 7:38 And it's similar also in that the really far left people are the ones that people point to when they mock the left, whereas the vast majority of them don't fall into that.

Bridget Phetasy 7:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:48 You know?

Bridget Phetasy 7:48 And I've been hard on the left, hard on them, and (laughs) and rightfully so I think to a certain extent because I do see a lot of the stuff like the language policing and the r- erosion of the, of freedom of (laughs) speech to a certain extent-

Joe Rogan 8:02 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 8:03 ... as deeply terrifying, but I've kind of been saying I see fascism, you know, uh, uh, on all sides kind of encroaching. There's elements of it, the creepy worship of the cult of personality, the, you know, just abiding by this mob mentality. And I've just been, I've been feeling pretty nihilistic. (laughs) I-

Joe Rogan 8:25 Have you ... But isn't it also because you've been locked up?

Bridget Phetasy 8:28 No. No. That's normal for me. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:31 No? (laughs) So what's making you feel more nihilistic?

Bridget Phetasy 8:33 I've never felt less, um, optimistic about people's ability to govern themselves. So this American experiment is supposed to be one in which it's smaller government and we, we can ... You know, we're adults, we're grownups, and now I feel like everybody's ratting on everybody else. Everyone's looking to somebody to save them or tell them what to do. There's this lack ... And it comes to the culture is just so, um, l- lack of resilience, you know, just psychological resilience. And so, I don't know. I, I've been feeling you don't know who to believe. Where do you get, where do you get your news from? Where, where do you get your trusted news from?

Joe Rogan 9:17 It's a good question. I don't.

Bridget Phetasy 9:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:20 I've been not getting news.

Bridget Phetasy 9:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:22 Like I, I just skim through things these days. It's like-

Bridget Phetasy 9:25 Because-

Joe Rogan 9:25 It's so frustrating. There's ... First of all, there's too many series to follow. There's the Obamagate series.

Bridget Phetasy 9:32 That's f-

Joe Rogan 9:32 You gotta follow that.

Bridget Phetasy 9:32 ... nu- nutcase.

Joe Rogan 9:34 Yeah. Nutcase. Nutcase. The, the, l- the se- sitting president, uh, e- exiting president literally hires or gets the FBI to investigate Trump. (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 9:45 I don't know anything about Obamagate, but I did see a take down of Obamagate that was pretty harsh where the guy was like, it basically relies on you having to believe a series of conspiracy theories in order for it to even hold up. And I am just gonna sit here right now before everyone's all like, "Da, da, da, da, da," I know nothing about Obamagate.

Joe Rogan 10:05 Yeah. I don't-

Bridget Phetasy 10:05 And I actually don't give a shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:07 That might have been an older video. That might have been an older video.

Bridget Phetasy 10:09 No, it's from last night.

Joe Rogan 10:11 Mm. J- Listen to Jimmy Dore's video on it. Jimmy Dore's video is excellent.

Bridget Phetasy 10:15 Okay.

Joe Rogan 10:15 And he, he breaks down exactly what the administration did.

Bridget Phetasy 10:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:20 And that it's illegal. And that you're, you're, you're essentially using the FBI to spy on Trump. And then when it turned out that all that Russia stuff that they were claiming was going to happen didn't take place and that they knew it wasn't really happening to begin with, that what, what they're saying was all exaggerating and hyperbole and they were trying to turn it into something that it wasn't.

Bridget Phetasy 10:42 I do- I don't know. I, I-

Joe Rogan 10:42 Oh, okay. You don't know.

Bridget Phetasy 10:43 ... I haven't been following it. I see it and I just-

Joe Rogan 10:45 It's not good. It's all not good. It's not good 'cause it's-

Bridget Phetasy 10:47 What's the other story that we need to follow? Other series?

Joe Rogan 10:50 'Cause there's so many stories. There's so many going on right now, right? Is, is Joe Biden losing his fucking mind?

Bridget Phetasy 10:54 Oh.

Joe Rogan 10:54 Like do they have him locked in a basement somewhere and they're pumping him up with steroids and Coke right before he does an interview?

Bridget Phetasy 10:57 Weren't they gonna do like a whole Fortnite thing where he was gonna be a, you know, what are they called, a hologram in Fortnite or something and then like, this is gonna be our first hologram president of the house? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:08 Oh, hologram debate, right?

Bridget Phetasy 11:10 Do you put anything beyond the realm of possibility at the point that we're at, though?

Joe Rogan 11:15 No.

Bridget Phetasy 11:15 In, in the world?

Joe Rogan 11:17 There's-

Bridget Phetasy 11:17 Doesn't it feel like we live in a fucking simulation?

Joe Rogan 11:20 It does. Kevin Rose ... You know Kevin Rose from Digg? He put something up on his page a couple of days ago, I retweeted it, it's the new Unreal Engine, Unreal 5. It's-

Bridget Phetasy 11:30 Oh, I saw that.

Joe Rogan 11:32 It's fucking insane. It's fucking insane.

Bridget Phetasy 11:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:35 It's like movie stuff and it's in-game action.

Bridget Phetasy 11:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:39 So the in-game, in-game action... Now, th- there's a scene where the, the character that you're playing, it's a third-person game and you're, um, m- moving this girl around and she runs up this hill. And as she runs up the hill, you see, like, rocks falling-

Bridget Phetasy 11:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:55 ... and you see the shadows. It's spectacular.

Bridget Phetasy 11:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:58 And Kevin said, uh, you know, he tweeted it to me and he said, "Look at this and imagine..." I, I believe he said 25, 50, 100 years from now, "Of course we're in a simulation because this is, this is going to be just as realistic in 25, 50, 100 years from now as the world that you're experiencing right now."

Bridget Phetasy 12:17 But isn't there the question that we don't know that this isn't? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:20 Yeah, that is the question. I mean, it's a guy-

Bridget Phetasy 12:22 My friend-

Joe Rogan 12:23 ... that I had on, Nick Bostrom-

Bridget Phetasy 12:24 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 12:24 ... that explained it to me, that, uh, I was... My, my feeble brain was having a hard time calculating it.

Bridget Phetasy 12:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:29 But he's basically saying that a- according to probability theory, we are in a simulation. It's more probable that we are than that we're not.

Bridget Phetasy 12:38 My friend was saying that they would start doing things like this, leading you to believe you're in a simulation if people in the simulation started becoming self-aware.

Joe Rogan 12:46 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 12:46 They'd start making you think you were in a simulation. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:49 Ooh.

Bridget Phetasy 12:49 So (laughs) that you could doubt it.

Joe Rogan 12:51 Of course, little built-in fail-safes.

Bridget Phetasy 12:53 Yeah. (laughs) It's just-

Joe Rogan 12:54 Of course. But that makes sense, right?

Bridget Phetasy 12:56 So I'm gonna ask you, Jimmy Dore, do you get news from him?

Joe Rogan 13:00 I do.

Bridget Phetasy 13:00 Okay.

Joe Rogan 13:00 I get news from Kyle Kulinski, Jimmy Dore. My political news is all from, uh, The Hill, Jimmy Dore and Kyle Kulinski. The Hill is, uh, Krystal and Sa-

Bridget Phetasy 13:10 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:10 ... Sagar. I always say his name wrong. That they have a really good political show.

Bridget Phetasy 13:14 Okay.

Joe Rogan 13:15 And Kyle Kulinski is very well-versed in exactly what's going on and he's critical of both sides, as is Jimmy Dore. Like Jimmy Dore, neither one of those is partisan. Both those guys, even though they're left, they're both progressive guys, they're very, uh, open-minded.

Bridget Phetasy 13:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:29 And, and they're very honest about what's, what's going wrong and what's wrong about it. Jimmy Dore, especially. He has some fucking epic rants. An epic rant recently-

Bridget Phetasy 13:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:37 ... about when people tried to whitewash the, uh, the negative things that happened during the Ad- Obama administration.

Bridget Phetasy 13:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:43 He's like, "You guys are gaslighting people." Like-

Bridget Phetasy 13:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:46 ... look, this is what happens when you have your, your standard... You know, this is, this is the relationship, right? A guy goes into office, he promises a bunch of stuff, can't really do them but people like the way he talks, does some things that maybe aren't so good, you find out later. And then he gets out and he makes shitloads of money-

Bridget Phetasy 14:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:04 ... doing speeches. And Jimmy Dore highlights that, that he's making... He's e- even openly talking about it. That press correspondents dinner, you know that jokey gag?

Bridget Phetasy 14:12 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:13 He talked about how he's gonna try those lines out at Goldman Sachs-

Bridget Phetasy 14:17 Oh.

Joe Rogan 14:17 ... after he did them there.

Bridget Phetasy 14:19 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:20 And then he said he was gonna make him some serious Tubmans.

Bridget Phetasy 14:22 They're taking over all the streaming. I saw a whole thing about how-

Joe Rogan 14:26 Who's they?

Bridget Phetasy 14:27 ... uh, the Obamas I think are... They're getting into the streaming game. And I read somewhere that the Clintons are. That could be wrong. I-

Joe Rogan 14:34 Well, the Obamas apparently have some sort of a deal with Netflix to produce shows, documentaries, and then they have a deal where they're doing podcasts as well.

Bridget Phetasy 14:41 Did you like Obama? Were you-

Joe Rogan 14:43 I liked him as a spokesperson and as-

Bridget Phetasy 14:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:46 ... like as a figurehead of who the president is. I mean, he's a handsome guy. He's incredibly articulate, really well-spoken. The way he speaks is like a statesman. You know, I mean, he's, uh, always calm and collected.

Bridget Phetasy 15:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:01 There's a lot about him-

Bridget Phetasy 15:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:02 ... I really like.

Bridget Phetasy 15:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:03 There's a lot about him. But politics is a crazy, messy, impossible to do right business-

Bridget Phetasy 15:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:11 ... that no one has nailed.

Bridget Phetasy 15:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:12 Especially at the highest levels. No one's nailed it. I don't know why he didn't do what he said he was gonna do before he got into office. I don't know what they revealed to him. I don't know. But when you listen... If, if someone does an accurate job of breaking down what went wrong and particularly what's going on with this, uh, Flynn case, where-

Bridget Phetasy 15:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:29 ... they're trying to drop all the charges and then some new judge is coming in and saying, "No, we're not dropping shit."

Bridget Phetasy 15:35 I just feel so ill-equipped to process this stuff.

Joe Rogan 15:39 Oh, yeah. For sure, sure.

Bridget Phetasy 15:40 Because I am not a lawyer, I'm not a politician, I'm an idiot on YouTube. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:45 Thank you. And I'm an idiot right here.

Bridget Phetasy 15:47 And I don't know anything and, and I often hear even in my comments on the dumpster fire, they're like, "Oh, I get all my news from you and Joe Rogan."

Joe Rogan 15:55 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 15:55 I'm like, "No." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:56 "No, don't do it."

Bridget Phetasy 15:58 "Don't do that."

Joe Rogan 15:58 Don't do that.

Bridget Phetasy 15:59 Yeah, don't (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 15:59 No, don't get it from me or you.

Bridget Phetasy 16:01 Don't do that.

Joe Rogan 16:02 No.

Bridget Phetasy 16:02 No.

Joe Rogan 16:02 No.

Bridget Phetasy 16:03 I am not a trusted news source. But then I'm like, "But I don't know who is."

Joe Rogan 16:06 Yeah, I don't know who is either. I'm here to talk shit, okay? And if I'm wrong, which is often-

Bridget Phetasy 16:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:10 ... I will let you know. I'm not here to lie, but I am here to talk shit.

Bridget Phetasy 16:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:13 That's what I'm here to do.

Bridget Phetasy 16:14 Yeah. I mean, I, I don't... The, the show, we just basically make fun of how bonkers everything is and I, but I don't have any answers.

Joe Rogan 16:23 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 16:24 I don't know what the freaking pathway forward out of this shit show is. It seems like it's gonna get worse before it gets better, which is my fear.

Joe Rogan 16:31 It certainly is gonna get worse. It has to get worse unless the, the, the world starts back up and there's some sort of a, a shift in treatment. Some sort of a shift in, in how much more survivable the disease is. It's pretty survivable. The, the-

Bridget Phetasy 16:47 The disease. Are we back to COVID?

Joe Rogan 16:48 COVID.

Bridget Phetasy 16:48 Okay. Fine.

Joe Rogan 16:49 Yeah. I mean, that's what's wrong with everything right now.

Bridget Phetasy 16:51 Right, I mean, it's all, anyone-

Joe Rogan 16:51 I mean, until that gets solved, the politics is just amplified. What that is, is like gasoline to the fire of partisanship-

Bridget Phetasy 16:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:59 ... because everybody's in a panic and everyone's fearful and so many people are gonna be unemployed. And when people are unemployed, that's when Hitler kicked in, by the way.

Bridget Phetasy 17:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:06 Right? 'Cause people were acting... True, in Germany-

Bridget Phetasy 17:09 No, I know, I know, but you're-

Joe Rogan 17:10 ... because people would get scared.

Bridget Phetasy 17:11 You're not making any arguments against that Trump is literally Hitler cr- crap (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 17:15 I don't think he's Hitler.

Bridget Phetasy 17:16 No, I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 17:17 I don't think he's Hitler. I think he's Trump. I think he's always been the same guy. It's just that now they've expected so much more of him.

Bridget Phetasy 17:22 No, I think people-

Joe Rogan 17:23 They now expect him to be a statesman.

Bridget Phetasy 17:25 Yeah. And I think people are desperate. And that's what scares me is that, you know, even in the city, there's just more crime in my neighborhood. There's more... Now everyone's wearing a fucking mask. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:36 It's easy to do crime.

Bridget Phetasy 17:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:37 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 17:38 That's what you do.

Joe Rogan 17:39 I know.

Bridget Phetasy 17:39 You're either a superhero or you commit crimes.

Joe Rogan 17:41 I know.

Bridget Phetasy 17:41 And I definitely see, um... It's weird, like, m- where I live in LA is a bit of a crossroads area, and it's a little bit... Like, crossroads of the big freeways and some of the big arteries of the road, the roads. And it's at night because everybody's in lockdown. It's all the, like, drifters and homeless people.

Joe Rogan 18:00 Mm.

Bridget Phetasy 18:00 And it feels fucking weird when you go out in LA at night. It's all ju-

Joe Rogan 18:05 Mad Maxing?

Bridget Phetasy 18:05 It's like zombies. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:07 Right? Because nothing's open.

Bridget Phetasy 18:08 Yeah. So it's, nothing's open and no one's on the road-

Joe Rogan 18:10 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 18:10 ... but there, there's just like this kind of drifter population in LA. And they're, and y- they're the only ones that you see, so it's so highlighted right now.

Joe Rogan 18:19 Is anybody doing a tally on how many more homeless people there are?

Bridget Phetasy 18:23 What I wonder is-

18:25 40% increase I just saw last night. They're expected-

18:28 Whoa.

18:28 ... over the next 12 months, I think, or I don't know the time period.

Joe Rogan 18:30 40% increase. So go from 70,000 to like, what is that?

Bridget Phetasy 18:35 Another-

Joe Rogan 18:36 85,000, 87,000, something like that?

Bridget Phetasy 18:38 It's, uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:38 What in the fuck?

Bridget Phetasy 18:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:41 What the fuck?

Bridget Phetasy 18:43 I mean, it's hitting LA hard because most of the people were like freelancers, you know? Everybody's, everybody's in the gig economy here. Everyone I fucking knew drew- drove Uber who was trying to make it as a comic or trying to make it as... Any creative is doing a, has a side hustle.

Joe Rogan 19:02 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 19:03 So you take away... Like the ma- think about it, the makeup artists, all the people who are working on m- in music. All the people that are no longer in work because there are no live music shows. All the people lighting, uh, it's, it's so bottomless in this town, I'm, I, I'm worried about LA.

Joe Rogan 19:20 It should... You should be worried because we have a guy who's running it that thinks that the solution is keep everybody home.

Bridget Phetasy 19:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:26 That's not the solution.

Bridget Phetasy 19:27 No, no.

Joe Rogan 19:28 And, and now they're saying crazy things like... I'll read you a quote because this quote is fucking nuts. Someone sent it to me and I read it and I was like, "Is that real? Did he really say that?" And he was talking about the mandatory wearing of masks, and so this is the quote he said, "Bring your mask with you whenever you leave your home," Garcetti said. "That will help us get more freedoms."

Bridget Phetasy 19:51 What?

Joe Rogan 19:53 "That will help us get more freedoms."

Bridget Phetasy 19:55 I'm fine with wearing a mask in establishments, banks, or wherever. But walking, like on a walk with my dog with no one around? I'm not giving anyone the fucking-

Joe Rogan 20:07 Um-

Bridget Phetasy 20:07 ... coronavirus.

Joe Rogan 20:08 You're stopping our freedoms.

Bridget Phetasy 20:10 Yeah. (laughs) I was-

Joe Rogan 20:13 You're fucking it up for everybody, Bridget.

Bridget Phetasy 20:15 I... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:15 Go out and get our freedoms.

Bridget Phetasy 20:17 (laughs) All right, I'll try.

Joe Rogan 20:18 Earn our freedoms. Drive around with your mask on.

Bridget Phetasy 20:20 See, and I, again, I think here's my suggestion. Please get two constitutional lawyers on your show and have them debate the constitutionality of this because I would like... I know there's precedent. There were two states that voted that the lockdowns were... Even now they voted in favor of them. And so I, I think, um, Michigan was one, and I can't remember the other one, maybe Pennsylvania or somewhere. So there's precedent and, and, and there are people who are saying this isn't violating our rights, but I would really love to hear two people who aren't idiots-

Joe Rogan 20:55 Hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 20:56 ... like me have a discussion about whether or not this is the case.

Joe Rogan 20:59 Well, Wisconsin overturned it, and then they had all these bars and all these people were just getting hammered in the bars and people are really pissed off because (laughs) the bars are packed with people. I think people are getting pissed off 'cause it looks like fun. That's what I think. I think they're using the excuse like, "Oh, you're gonna transmit the disease." And I think what's really going on is they don't want anybody having any fun and they're depressed now. And when people are depressed, misery loves company, they want everybody to be depressed. They don't want anybody fucking listening to Garth Brooks sing, "And I got friends in low places throwing back Jack Daniels and high-fiving each other."

Bridget Phetasy 21:29 I-

Joe Rogan 21:29 The fuck out of here.

Bridget Phetasy 21:30 ... I grew up with that.

Joe Rogan 21:31 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 21:31 That was my upbringing in Minnesota.

Joe Rogan 21:32 I've been there.

Bridget Phetasy 21:33 That, i- you just described my high school years.

Joe Rogan 21:35 I have friends. It's a great song when you're hammered. If you're hammered at a country western bar-

Bridget Phetasy 21:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:39 ... and that comes on, you're like, "Whoa."

Bridget Phetasy 21:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:42 Right? Good times.

Bridget Phetasy 21:43 Jack Daniels too. That.

Joe Rogan 21:44 Sure.

Bridget Phetasy 21:44 You just described my exact high school-

Joe Rogan 21:47 Some, any kind of whiskey. Bring in that Buffalo Trace. Bring, get me, uh, what's that, um, uh, get me some of that Dan Aykroyd Skol Vodka. What's that stuff called?

Bridget Phetasy 21:55 Crystal Skol.

Joe Rogan 21:55 Crystal Skol Vodka. Dan-

Bridget Phetasy 21:57 Yeah. I, I think that most people can balance the two worries, you know, their concern about their e- their, their family, their economics. A lot of people are worried about their own safety and sickness. It's not just... There's... If you look online, you would think there's just two groups. The, like, people who are shut-ins and the people who are, are, you know, like grandma killers or whatever. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:23 Right, because you're insensitive and you won't go outside.

Bridget Phetasy 22:25 But I think most people live in the gray. They live in the area of saying, "Okay, we understand that this is new and we don't know really shit about it." And I understood it as we were supposed to stay home so we could flatten the curve, which I thought we did and help-

Joe Rogan 22:41 We for sure flattened it.

Bridget Phetasy 22:43 ... and help our, our places like the hospitals catch up.

Joe Rogan 22:46 Which we did.

Bridget Phetasy 22:47 And now they're going out of business.

Joe Rogan 22:48 Because there's no one there.

Bridget Phetasy 22:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:50 Yeah. And they, they said we need more ventilators. Well, now it turns out that the people that go on the ventilators-

Bridget Phetasy 22:54 Die. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:54 ... don't do well.

Bridget Phetasy 22:54 I thought that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:55 How crazy is that?

Bridget Phetasy 22:56 I'm like, "How funny is it gonna be when it comes out that the ventilators were killing people?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:00 Well, that's what Michael Yeo's, um, doctor said.

Bridget Phetasy 23:02 I mean, not funny.

Joe Rogan 23:03 It's not funny-

Bridget Phetasy 23:04 It's not funny-

Joe Rogan 23:04 ... but it is funny.

Bridget Phetasy 23:05 ... but it's ironic. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:05 As long as you're really far away from it, it's funny. (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 23:08 It's, it's... I know people who are worried, and I've, I've had family, you know... I have a family member in the hospital right now. I'm, I'm concerned, but it's also-

Joe Rogan 23:16 With COVID?

Bridget Phetasy 23:17 Uh, they don't know. They... I'm not sure that they've tested him yet, but, um, that was the other thing. They... It's weird when they test you and they don't. And so I don't mean to laugh at, um... It's a serious thing.

Joe Rogan 23:31 It is.

Bridget Phetasy 23:31 Any loss of life, but that happens a lot. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:35 Well, that's the problem is that we are only thinking of COVID.... and meanwhile the flu is still here. People are still dying from the flu. Tuberculosis is still killing people left and right. Uh, heart disease is ruthless.

Bridget Phetasy 23:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:48 Cancer is not stopping. All these things are happening to people right now while we're worried about COVID. It just highlights how fragile we are.

Bridget Phetasy 23:55 We are.

Joe Rogan 23:56 And it's that old saying that's been around forever that soft times make soft people.

Bridget Phetasy 24:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:03 And this is just, what- what we're seeing right now, we've had some soft fucking times.

Bridget Phetasy 24:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:07 And now all of a sudden, a huge, uh, dose of adversity, um, in a point where there's nothing you can do about it. It used to be when, when people, when their business failed, you could probably point to one thing. Like, "Oh, he got sick."

Bridget Phetasy 24:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:22 Or, "Oh, they, they lost, uh, a loan." Or, "Oh, he started drinking." Or, "Oh..." Whatever. You could p- point to a reason why the business went under. Now it's you can't work.

Bridget Phetasy 24:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:33 They won't let you work.

Bridget Phetasy 24:34 Right. They're-

Joe Rogan 24:35 You can't even make the decision yourself to work.

Bridget Phetasy 24:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:38 It's crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 24:39 And there ... Again, I believe there was precedent for lockdowns, like in the 1918 flu pandemic.

Joe Rogan 24:45 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 24:45 I think there ... This isn't ... Because, you know, you talk about adversity, and when this first started happening and people were asked to do this, there, it ... I understand taking away someone's livelihood and not giving them any right to work is obviously something that's bullshit, but also, no one's had to make any sacrifice either. So we're talking about a generation that hasn't experienced much, much adversity and hasn't experienced having to sacrifice, because my grandfather went off to war, you know, when he was 18 years old.

Joe Rogan 25:15 Right, he got drafted. Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 25:16 He didn't get drafted. He just went-

Joe Rogan 25:18 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 25:18 ... because it was World War II, but he sacrificed ... They ... There was a attitude of sacrifice that you made for your country.

Joe Rogan 25:24 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 25:25 And so people, I think, the reason people got so on board behind this was they felt like it was ... They were doing the right thing, their civic duty. I mean, I think a lot of it was fear for their own health, but I also think that it was a sense of civic pride and duty. And I actually don't think that's a bad thing, that people rallied to help save our most vulnerable people. That's, that's good, but at what point are we now hurting more people than we're saving?

Joe Rogan 25:56 Yeah, I totally agree with you. My, my thoughts on the lockdown in the beginning were, this is great because this shows that people can act together to protect people when they're not worried about it themselves.

Bridget Phetasy 26:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:06 Like, I wasn't worried about it myself.

Bridget Phetasy 26:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:08 I knew a lot of people that weren't worried about it.

Bridget Phetasy 26:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:10 They were like, "Well, if I get sick, I'm healthy and I take care of my body, and it seems like, according to the actual statistics, I'm gonna probably be okay."

Bridget Phetasy 26:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:18 "But some people aren't, so let's lock down."

Bridget Phetasy 26:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:20 "Let's lock down. Let's not go anywhere. Let's just let this ride out."

Bridget Phetasy 26:23 Let's chill-

Joe Rogan 26:23 Let's chill.

Bridget Phetasy 26:23 ... and see what's going on.

Joe Rogan 26:24 Yeah. Let it ride out. Let these-

Bridget Phetasy 26:26 Because the-

Joe Rogan 26:26 ... super smart people figure this out. But-

Bridget Phetasy 26:27 And the images coming out of Italy were terrifying.

Joe Rogan 26:30 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 26:30 And they ... You know, my friend was in Italy. They were in l- lockdown in Rome for months.

Joe Rogan 26:34 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 26:34 And they were all singing from balconies, and she said ... She was saying watching America from Italy is funny because you guys are so partisan about everything. You cannot just ... She's like, "We've been through so many wars in Italy that it just, um ... There's a sense that the community can suck it up and rally together for a little bit for the good of the community."

Joe Rogan 26:55 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 26:56 But-

Joe Rogan 26:57 We don't have that.

Bridget Phetasy 26:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:58 There's also, like, 10,000 people over there. Like, who the fuck's over there? They don't have very many people in Italy.

Bridget Phetasy 27:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:02 It's so little. And I think what we're experiencing now is what happens when people who are in power don't understand the responsibility that they have, and they also don't understand that this is a multifaceted problem.

Bridget Phetasy 27:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:16 You can't just look at hospitals and PPE and old people that are dying. You have to look at the fucking economy. You have to look-

Bridget Phetasy 27:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:22 ... at all the human beings that are sacrificing, people that are losing their jobs-

Bridget Phetasy 27:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:25 ... people that are losing their livelihoods for no reason that makes sense to them. They're, they're-

Bridget Phetasy 27:32 There's so-

Joe Rogan 27:32 They're being forced to not work and they don't get it. It doesn't make sense.

Bridget Phetasy 27:35 There's ... Yeah, there's ... And they're gonna be angry, and there's so many-

Joe Rogan 27:38 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 27:38 And rightfully. There's so many groups too that, you know, I worry about small businesses. Like, they're never gonna recover. And this is really, unfortunately, the kind of march of Amazon and all of these places-

Joe Rogan 27:51 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 27:51 ... that have ... Now suddenly you have any little small business, mom and pop ... So I started doing, like, free advertisements for small businesses on my not huge podcast that I have, but just to help people out.

Joe Rogan 28:04 But can they work?

Bridget Phetasy 28:05 And th-

Joe Rogan 28:05 You're doing advertisements. Can they, can these people-

Bridget Phetasy 28:07 Well, they can ... Well, they ... This one particular, it's 100-year-old, um, company and they sell clothes up in Portland, and it was a, a dad and, like, his son who were running it. And they were about to celebrate their 100 years, and they can sell the clothes online, but because they had so many huge brand, so many huge stores cancel their orders and, I mean-

Joe Rogan 28:28 What's their company's name?

Bridget Phetasy 28:29 Um, I have to, I have to look. Um-

Joe Rogan 28:31 Jesus, woman. You should be prepared.

Bridget Phetasy 28:32 I'm sorry. I didn't know I was gonna bring ... They're great.

Joe Rogan 28:34 Okay, no, bring them up. Let's try to pump them up.

Bridget Phetasy 28:36 Um, and the other thing that I was thinking about a lot-

Joe Rogan 28:39 Let's get their name before we forget though.

Bridget Phetasy 28:41 Okay.

Joe Rogan 28:41 'Cause otherwise people-

Bridget Phetasy 28:42 Keep talking, keep talking. So-

Joe Rogan 28:43 Keep talking.

Bridget Phetasy 28:44 You keep talking.

Joe Rogan 28:45 Okay.

Bridget Phetasy 28:45 So, um, tell me about-

Joe Rogan 28:46 I, I love the f-

Bridget Phetasy 28:46 What have you been-

Joe Rogan 28:47 I love the fact that you're doing that though. That's really cool.

Bridget Phetasy 28:49 What, what have you been, um, hearing from your audience? Like, people who-

Joe Rogan 28:54 People are scared. Um, they're worried, b- the people that are prone to fear are really scared 'cause they're concentrating on the worst ac- uh, worst aspects of the disease. Out of all my friends, Ari's the biggest pussy.

Bridget Phetasy 29:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:05 He's scared more than anybody. Everybody else is basically wor- not worried about it, and, you know, don't, doesn't want to get it. But I know, now I know nine people that have gotten it, and, uh, everyone's been fine except for Michael Yeoh. And I also found out yesterday that Michael Yeoh told me that not only did he do all those things, like fly to New York, do all the radio, do the, do, do different shows, do the shows at night, fly back on very little sleep, and then drive to Vegas and drive home, but he's also vitamin D deficient.

Bridget Phetasy 29:35 Oh.

Joe Rogan 29:35 So he, when he saw the Rhonda Patrick podcast and saw the post that I put up on Instagram that showed how, you know, there's a massive difference between the number of people that are in critical condition in the ICU that are vitamin D deficient versus vitamin s- vitamin D sufficient. And the vitamin D sufficient was really low, like 4%, whereas the vitamin D deficient, uh, was a huge percentage of the people that were in the ICU.

Bridget Phetasy 30:01 Oh.

Joe Rogan 30:02 Huge. And this is not just in ... This was in Indonesia, there was a study in New Orleans, and a study in somewhere else.... um, but all of 'em came to a very similar conclusion. I mean, it doesn't mean that vitamin D is gonna absolutely protect you from this. But Rhonda Patrick, on ... If you go to my Instagram post, she actually breaks down why this is significant when someone else, uh, was a little bit critical about it. She stepped in and, and broke down why it was, uh, so important. 70% also of the US population is vitamin D insufficient and 28.9% are deficient in vitamin D.

Bridget Phetasy 30:41 Wow.

Joe Rogan 30:42 Deficient in vitamin D is very bad.

Bridget Phetasy 30:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:44 That's 28.9% of our entire population.

Bridget Phetasy 30:46 Wow.

Joe Rogan 30:46 So, more than a quarter of our population is deficient in a really important hormone.

Bridget Phetasy 30:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:51 'Cause it's a hormone, it's not just a vitamin. She was breaking it down in a brilliant way on the podcast and I listened to it.

Bridget Phetasy 30:55 I like her a lot.

Joe Rogan 30:56 She's a wizard.

Bridget Phetasy 30:57 She is a wizard. Um, I ... And now we can't go outside.

Joe Rogan 31:01 You can go outside.

Bridget Phetasy 31:02 I mean, I can go outside, but we can go ... We ... They opened the trails, right?

Joe Rogan 31:06 Well, some places, some places not.

Bridget Phetasy 31:08 Okay, I got the names.

Joe Rogan 31:09 What's crazy is some of the beaches, they, they had closed and they had the, the beaches closed in all the Republican areas. What's the name of the Portland place?

Bridget Phetasy 31:16 It's, um ... I, I always mess up how to say it. It's Dehen. It's D-E-H-E-N 1920-

Joe Rogan 31:23 Wow.

Bridget Phetasy 31:23 ... which is when they've been in business, and they have cool clothes and-

Joe Rogan 31:26 So, they opened right after the Spanish flu pandemic and right before-

Bridget Phetasy 31:30 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:30 ... the Great Depression.

Bridget Phetasy 31:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:31 And they rode it out all the way to 2020.

Bridget Phetasy 31:32 And they rode it out and they were about to sen- ... And, you know, brick and mortar businesses were already in trouble and now this is just the nail in the coffin.

Joe Rogan 31:40 So, what's the website called?

Bridget Phetasy 31:41 It's D, uh, D-E-H-E-N-

Joe Rogan 31:44 Dot com?

Bridget Phetasy 31:45 ... 19-

Joe Rogan 31:46 1920.com?

Bridget Phetasy 31:46 ... 20 dot com. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:47 D-E-H-E-N 1920.com (1920.com) .

Bridget Phetasy 31:50 Go support them.

Joe Rogan 31:51 Go support them. Um-

Bridget Phetasy 31:52 Um-

Joe Rogan 31:52 That's awesome.

Bridget Phetasy 31:52 Thanks.

Joe Rogan 31:53 I'm glad that you're doing that.

Bridget Phetasy 31:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:54 That's very cool.

Bridget Phetasy 31:54 So, we've been talking to just ... I, you know, I reached out to my audience and a lot of people are okay, and so they're willing to make the sacrifice. A lot of people have their own health worries that they're worried about. O- ... People who are overweight or diabetic are obviously more concerned.

Joe Rogan 32:09 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 32:09 And that's a problem in our country. One of the things that I've been thinking a lot about is just the school. And my uncle and I were talking about this, that year, you know, especially the vulnerable kids, kids who are at home, in homes that are abusive or-

Joe Rogan 32:25 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 32:26 ... kids who already are at a disadvantage. Maybe they, they live in, um ... They're just, like, in the vulnerable communities and they're ... Really, education is one of the only ways kind of out of their circumstances.

Joe Rogan 32:40 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 32:40 And now there's already something, I believe it's called the summer gap, and they, they fall very far behind because they don't have, like, summer camps and they don't have all the access that, uh, some other kids do. And now they're missing almost a year or half of a year, six months. And this is time and ... That these kids are never gonna get back. So, I'm worried about tho- those kids.

Joe Rogan 33:03 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 33:04 You know, there, there are so many ... All of this stuff, it hurts the poorest. You know, really, it's a, it's a disease that hurts. It's not even-

Joe Rogan 33:13 It's a divider.

Bridget Phetasy 33:14 Yeah, but it's a, it, it's a monetary thing, really.

Joe Rogan 33:17 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 33:17 It really comes down to i- if you're poor, you're gonna ... This is gonna hurt you a lot.

Joe Rogan 33:21 But this is also a disease where wealthy people can lose everything. People that have had, like, a really good run and had a great business and built it up for years and years and years and worked hard, all of a sudden, boom, it could be gone and you could have nothing.

Bridget Phetasy 33:34 Right. So, have you heard-

Joe Rogan 33:35 That's- that's real possible.

Bridget Phetasy 33:36 Have you heard anecdotally just-

Joe Rogan 33:38 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 33:38 ... stories of that from people?

Joe Rogan 33:40 My friends who own gyms-

Bridget Phetasy 33:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:41 ... they're going under.

Bridget Phetasy 33:42 Yeah, that's, that's the, one of the things that kills me too. All these, like, um, jujitsu places and the places where kids go, cam- little camps.

Joe Rogan 33:50 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 33:50 There's a place by me that's one of the gymnastics places that I used to take the autistic kids to go to, and I don't know how they're gonna make it. And then these places won't-

Joe Rogan 33:59 I don't understand how they're justifying keeping kids out of school. It's not a disease that is killing kids. The amount of kids that die from this disease are very small, much smaller than the flu, much smaller. So, if you look at how many kids die from the flu and you look at how many kids die from COVID-

Bridget Phetasy 34:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:16 ... we should be terrified of the flu.

Bridget Phetasy 34:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:17 But yet we'll let our kids go to school with teachers, and we're not checking these ta- teachers to make sure these teachers don't have the flu.

Bridget Phetasy 34:23 Yeah, and they often go teach with the flu (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 34:25 Yeah. The real question is, do the teachers have something and can they give it to the kids? And the kids go home and touch grandma and give it to her and give it to people that are vulnerable. Yeah, that's a real question. But that's not insurmountable. That's something you need to test people for. What's insurmountable is keeping schools closed. What's insurmountable is keeping businesses closed. It's not insurmountable to test everybody. That's not that hard. That's way easier than asking the entire economy to pause for half a fucking year 'cause you don't have any, uh, better answers.

Bridget Phetasy 34:53 Right. I mean, that's what's so upsetting, is the failure to have planned at all for anything like this. Like, you're gonna shut the whole fucking economy off with no plan, and then they're basically like, "Here's $1,200. Peace. Good luck to you."

Joe Rogan 35:05 Yeah. Good luck.

Bridget Phetasy 35:06 Good luck, guys.

Joe Rogan 35:06 It's a one-time payment.

Bridget Phetasy 35:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:07 And good luck getting it.

Bridget Phetasy 35:08 And fuck you.

Joe Rogan 35:09 You wanna kill Cliff?

Bridget Phetasy 35:10 Uh-

Joe Rogan 35:10 I'm being serious. It's got CBD in it. Don't be scared. Tim Dillon was.

Bridget Phetasy 35:12 I'm not scared.

Joe Rogan 35:13 Tim Dillon wouldn't even drink it.

Bridget Phetasy 35:14 Really?

Joe Rogan 35:14 He was scared, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 35:15 Why? He's just-

Joe Rogan 35:15 He was scared.

Bridget Phetasy 35:16 ... get blasted?

Joe Rogan 35:17 'Cause he's so, uh, clean and sober and doing so well.

Bridget Phetasy 35:20 So am I.

Joe Rogan 35:20 And used to be... I know. That's why I said, "Are you scared?"

Bridget Phetasy 35:22 No, I'm not scared.

Joe Rogan 35:23 Good.

Bridget Phetasy 35:24 I use-

Joe Rogan 35:24 It's not psychoactive.

Bridget Phetasy 35:25 No, no.

Joe Rogan 35:25 It's just CBD.

Bridget Phetasy 35:26 Yeah. Um, I, I am worried about ... I, I always, uh, check on the, the people. I'm like, "How's everyone doing?" 'Cause the other thing that bothers me and worries me is, um, mental health. Like, I have a lot of single female friends and-

Joe Rogan 35:40 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 35:40 ... they haven't hugged anyone in, like, two months. You know?

Joe Rogan 35:44 No.

Bridget Phetasy 35:44 They're ... The ... Just the lack ... That ... This is what we do to people when we put them in prison and we put, we put people in isolation because it's really one of the worst things you can do to a human.

Joe Rogan 35:54 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 35:55 And so all of these people in isolation who might already be wrestling with depression, anxiety, or whatever, you know, mental, uh, like, illness or problems they have now are alone and isolated. And I don't ... I'm worried. I'm worried about people.

Joe Rogan 36:13 Yeah.Yeah, you're right. You should be.

Bridget Phetasy 36:15 I mean-

Joe Rogan 36:15 Yeah, it's not good... It's not good for single men, single women, single anybody.

Bridget Phetasy 36:19 No, it's, um-

Joe Rogan 36:19 Especially folks... I mean, have you ever been moved to a place where you didn't have any friends?

Bridget Phetasy 36:24 Yeah, I moved every year and a half growing up. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:26 Me too. I moved a lot growing up. Same thing.

Bridget Phetasy 36:27 I'm very, very familiar with sitting a- I cannot watch people sit alone and eat, like, especially in a lunchroom, because it's trigger alert.

Joe Rogan 36:37 Oh, wow.

Bridget Phetasy 36:37 It's too much like, "Oh, I was the girl sitting alone for so long."

Joe Rogan 36:41 I remember when I first moved to LA, um, in '94. I came out here to do a TV show and I didn't know anybody. So I basically went to the set, and then I went to the Comedy Store, and I went to the gym, and that's basically it. And I didn't have any friends for a long time. And I remember I was on the set and this girl gave me a hug. And I remember thinking, "God, that feels so good." Like, not- not just a hug-

Bridget Phetasy 37:06 You weren't dating or anything?

Joe Rogan 37:07 No, no, no. She just, like, "What's up?" Gave me a hug.

Bridget Phetasy 37:09 No, no, no. I mean you were... In this time when you were, like, gym, on your little hamster wheel-

Joe Rogan 37:13 No.

Bridget Phetasy 37:13 ... you weren't-

Joe Rogan 37:13 No, no. I wasn't dating anybody. No. I was, uh, just doing this stupid TV show.

Bridget Phetasy 37:18 Just grinding.

Joe Rogan 37:18 And, um, I had a girlfriend back in New York, but we were kind of on the outs. And then I was just sort of-

Bridget Phetasy 37:25 Mm.

Joe Rogan 37:25 ... settling in-

Bridget Phetasy 37:26 That's good.

Joe Rogan 37:26 ... to whether or not I was gonna stay out there.

Bridget Phetasy 37:28 Heavy go to Vaga-

Joe Rogan 37:29 It's delicious, right?

Bridget Phetasy 37:30 ... for the record. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:31 Killcliff. CBDA, this is the grape one. Um, but anyway, this girl hugged me on the set. And I don't think I'd ever gone that long without a hug.

Bridget Phetasy 37:39 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 37:40 And it was, like, a couple weeks. And I was like, "Oh." Like, I f- like, I... Like, when you're thirsty-

Bridget Phetasy 37:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:46 ... and you get a drink of water. Not just... Every hug feels good. It's, like, nice.

Bridget Phetasy 37:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:49 But this was different. This was like I needed it.

Bridget Phetasy 37:51 Yeah. Because people do need to...

Joe Rogan 37:53 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 37:54 People need each other. We need each other.

Joe Rogan 37:56 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 37:56 Part of the reason... I read a really interesting article. Part of the reason that Italy, um, the death toll was so high is there's a lot more intergenerational contact.

Joe Rogan 38:05 Wow.

Bridget Phetasy 38:05 So the younger people are hanging out with their grandparents more than we do here in, in America.

Joe Rogan 38:11 Also, they smoke-

Bridget Phetasy 38:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:13 ... a lot. I mean, those fucking people are all smokers over there. It's crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 38:17 It's like the '90s-

Joe Rogan 38:18 It's crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 38:18 ... over there, so- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:19 It's like, "Do you guys not read?"

Bridget Phetasy 38:21 They don't care.

Joe Rogan 38:22 "You don't care about cancer? You guys are out of your fucking mind."

Bridget Phetasy 38:25 No.

Joe Rogan 38:25 It's weird, right?

Bridget Phetasy 38:25 And then it kind of goes through and, you know, r- ravages nursing homes here. And it's-

Joe Rogan 38:30 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 38:30 ... crazy once it gets into nursing homes. But so many of the people who work at nursing homes work at multiple nursing homes. We should be making sure that they're not-

Joe Rogan 38:41 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 38:41 ... spreading it.

Joe Rogan 38:42 I was reading this thing that, uh, they were criticizing Andrew Cuomo for making old people go back to nursing homes.

Bridget Phetasy 38:48 Oh, I know, because they tested positive and then they sent them back.

Joe Rogan 38:51 That is so crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 38:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:53 This article was... I was like, "How has no one brought this up-"

Bridget Phetasy 38:57 That's what's-

Joe Rogan 38:57 "... in any of these discussions on the mistakes that have been made?"

Bridget Phetasy 39:00 Yeah, when you asked me why I feel nihilistic, it's like our- our leaders have failed us. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:05 They d-... I don't think they knew. I don't think they understood. And also, I think they were in a situation where they had to clear room in the- the hospitals because these new patients were coming in and they were running out of space.

Bridget Phetasy 39:14 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:15 You know, the- the New York City situation is a different situation. They got it way worse than anybody else. They've had more than... I think last time I checked it was, like, 25,000 deaths, whereas the entire state of California has only had, like, 1,800 or something.

Bridget Phetasy 39:28 But... Yeah, it's low here.

Joe Rogan 39:29 It's very low here.

Bridget Phetasy 39:30 And I-

Joe Rogan 39:31 And I think it's... A lot of it is because the governor acted quickly. But I think you got to let go of the reins, man.

Bridget Phetasy 39:36 I do think it's part of that. I also think we don't use public transportation as much.

Joe Rogan 39:41 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 39:42 And that we're not on, as on top of each other and we live... Even though we might all interact, we're pretty isolated in LA. Jack Kerouac called it the loneliest city in the world.

Joe Rogan 39:52 Mm.

Bridget Phetasy 39:52 It's definitely a city where everyone's still... Even driving, we're all in our little pods alone.

Joe Rogan 39:58 Hunter S. Thompson had the best description of LA. He said it's like a graveyard from the future.

Bridget Phetasy 40:02 Oh, wow. Well, now it's an actual... We're in the graveyard. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:05 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 40:05 Well, guess what, Hunter?

Joe Rogan 40:07 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 40:07 We've caught up to the future.

Joe Rogan 40:09 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 40:10 Yeah, so-

Joe Rogan 40:10 He was right.

Bridget Phetasy 40:11 ... I think there's something-

Joe Rogan 40:12 As always.

Bridget Phetasy 40:12 ... to be s-... Yeah, something to be said for just how isolated we are already and just the actual physical distance. You know, we have more land. We're not all in apartments going up and down the same fucking elevator. You know, there's just so much-

Joe Rogan 40:27 Some people are. Some people are.

Bridget Phetasy 40:28 Some.

Joe Rogan 40:28 But yeah, I agree with you.

Bridget Phetasy 40:28 But not as many as New York.

Joe Rogan 40:30 No, not as many as New York. But still, I be- I bet that's an issue where people do live in apartments, I bet it's more of an issue, touching the same elevator buttons and all that stuff.

Bridget Phetasy 40:38 It's very complicated.

Joe Rogan 40:39 You're making a lot of sense about New York, though. But I- I think also the sun is a factor too. The fact that people are not getting any sun, you know. And no one's outside, you're not getting any vitamin D. And if you're not supplementing, you're not getting that. And I think that also they're getting a different strain of the virus because they're getting the strain that comes from Europe.

Bridget Phetasy 40:56 Oh.

Joe Rogan 40:56 Yeah, we're getting the strain from China.

Bridget Phetasy 40:58 We got the-

Joe Rogan 40:58 We're getting the strain from China.

Bridget Phetasy 40:59 ... OG.

Joe Rogan 40:59 Yeah, we got the OG. The OG's m- milder. So if you-

Bridget Phetasy 41:02 Are they naming weed strains after this yet?

Joe Rogan 41:04 Uh, sure. Someone must have a fucking COVID-19 killer.

Bridget Phetasy 41:08 Yeah, is there, like, a- a Wuhan?

Joe Rogan 41:09 If you went back in the 1970s and smoked some hippie weed, like, in San Francisco, you'd be like, "Bitch, what are you guys smoking?"

Bridget Phetasy 41:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:16 "You could smoke a whole joint to get high off this garbage."

Bridget Phetasy 41:18 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:19 Right?

Bridget Phetasy 41:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:19 And I think that's how it is with the virus too.

Bridget Phetasy 41:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:21 I think the Chinese version of the virus is not nearly as rugged as the virus that went all the way through Europe.

Bridget Phetasy 41:26 Ah, because it morphed.

Joe Rogan 41:27 Yeah, but again, I'm a moron, so what the fuck are you listening to me for?

Bridget Phetasy 41:29 What do we know? We're like, "Actually," suddenly. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:31 I don't even understand what a gene is. I know how to spell it and I could- I could point you to some papers that I've read.

Bridget Phetasy 41:37 So how have you been handling it?

Joe Rogan 41:39 Um, initially, I was scared. No bullshit. Like, we stocked up on food and I was worried about a bunch of things. First of all, I was worried about the guns. There's so many people that were buying guns. I was like, "Whoa, this ain't good." Like, people that don't know how to use a gun-

Bridget Phetasy 41:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:52 ... never shot a gun, they're all lining up to buy guns. And then there was... A lot of my friends were super liberal who never wanted guns, who were asking me how to get guns, how do you shoot a gun, where do you go to practice?

Bridget Phetasy 42:03 That was hilarious watching liberals learn about their gun laws.

Joe Rogan 42:07 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 42:07 I'm like, "You guys..."... that my friends would be like, "Do you know you have to wait 10 days?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:12 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 42:12 Like, yeah, no shit, idiot.

Joe Rogan 42:14 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 42:14 Like, what do you think you've been voting for here? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:16 But that's a good thing, though. We should... You know, that's a good thing. The bad thing is you waited until a pandemic to get a gun.

Bridget Phetasy 42:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:22 That's the bad thing. So-

Bridget Phetasy 42:22 But I'm also just shocked at people who are so anti-gun don't a-... If you're gonna be anti-gun, know your laws.

Joe Rogan 42:28 I have a great story. My friend, I will, uh, will not name him.

Bridget Phetasy 42:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:32 But, uh, he's always had guns when he was younger. And he's married and they have a kid. And his wife was like, "No fucking guns. You're never gonna have a gun in this house. We're never gonna have a gun." He's like, "Okay, fine." Pandemic goes down, lockdown. "We need to get a gun. Get a gun. Go out and get a gun." She, he's like, "But what you said..." She's like, "Fuck what I said. Get a fucking gun."

Bridget Phetasy 42:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:49 Like, immediately, like, yelling at him. "We need a gun. We need a gun."

Bridget Phetasy 42:54 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:54 So he went out and bought two guns.

Bridget Phetasy 42:55 Yeah. It's not-

Joe Rogan 42:56 I'm like, damn.

Bridget Phetasy 42:56 ... gonna take much before shit goes sideways in this town.

Joe Rogan 42:58 We have to be careful, all you fucking liberals here in California, because you will turn this state Republican. You will do it with all this craziness. You keep things locked down. If Texas starts thriving and all these other states start thriving and they're doing well, uh, Utah is starting to open up, all the states are opening up, if they start thriving and the cases go down, we understand better treatment methods and, and people take better care of their bodies and-

Bridget Phetasy 43:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:24 ... use smart nutrition, California is gonna be fucked. And someone's gonna come along and exploit that-

Bridget Phetasy 43:30 Well-

Joe Rogan 43:30 ... and say, "This is what I would've done and this is what I'll do now." And they're like, "Fuck yeah." Newport Beach will come out in droves.

Bridget Phetasy 43:36 Oh, Newport.

Joe Rogan 43:37 Huntington Beach will... The... Every... 100% voted, 100% voted. Even dead people vote in Huntington Beach. (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 43:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:44 That's... They'll all vote Republican.

Bridget Phetasy 43:46 We... I wouldn't... It wouldn't hurt for our state to go purple. I would like to see some balance.

Joe Rogan 43:53 Some libertarian-type shit.

Bridget Phetasy 43:54 Well, I just think there's no balance at all in California. It's so one-sided. There's no... We need balance.

Joe Rogan 44:01 It's one-sided ideologically, meaning that it's one-sided-

Bridget Phetasy 44:06 But it's one-sided, actually, too.

Joe Rogan 44:07 Yeah, but I mean, it's one-sided b- subscribing to an ideology.

Bridget Phetasy 44:12 Do you think... I- I would disagree with that.

Joe Rogan 44:15 Liberal ideology.

Bridget Phetasy 44:16 I think there is a strong liberal ideology, yes. I also think there is a strong libertarian bent that just isn't vocal, because they-

Joe Rogan 44:26 Yeah. Oh, no, that's true too.

Bridget Phetasy 44:27 ... they can't be, and I think-

Joe Rogan 44:28 But I mean one-sided politically.

Bridget Phetasy 44:30 ... more and more, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:30 But we're, we're... One side... And Hollywood is one-sided ideology.

Bridget Phetasy 44:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:34 Thi- this area, like if, if you're in the movie business or the television business or any place where you have to get hired, the difference between podcasts, standup, and then having to get hired is massive. And you see these people that have been infected.

Bridget Phetasy 44:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:48 You see these standup comics that have been infected-

Bridget Phetasy 44:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:51 ... by their connection to Hollywood, so they'll spout out some liberal horseshit, and then you, you qu- you ask them on... You question them on it. And they don't have a great rational response, but they know the virtuous thing to say-

Bridget Phetasy 45:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:04 ... especially public, when you're on a pod- a podcast, publicly. They know the thing they have to say to be ingratiated with all these people that are gonna hire them for projects.

Bridget Phetasy 45:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:13 It's really fucked up, because it's like, it's like a s- a form of self-censorship by limiting your, your employment options.

Bridget Phetasy 45:21 Well, this is how I ended up in this space, is I was... I got picked up by a manager for a script, and we were gonna either try and sell a show or get into a writer's room. And then on Twitter, I was like, "Why am I self-censoring?" And I was doing comedy a lot, and I kept feeling like I couldn't say... I was self-censoring around my comedian peers. And I was like, "This is fucking weird." Comedians are supposed to be, like, the people saying all the shit you can't say.

Joe Rogan 45:46 Yes. All the time.

Bridget Phetasy 45:48 And... All the time. And so I started just be-... I became aware of that, and I'm like, "What would happen-" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:53 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 45:54 "... if I said the things I wasn't saying on Twitter?" And it was like, uh, a, A, it was... People were like, "Thank you," and B, I lost a lot of friends. I lost people who... And people... Because then there's that whole guilt by association.

Joe Rogan 46:09 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 46:10 And then my life took on a whole other path, but I never heard from those managers again. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:15 (laughs) That guilt by association thing is real, where people think that you shouldn't talk to people that have different ideas or talk to people that have somehow or another embraced these different ideas. It's very interesting to watch.

Bridget Phetasy 46:28 It's, it's weird, because I grew up... So my dad is one of 10. And we grew up... One, one brother went off and became, like, a commie in, in Germany, and-

Joe Rogan 46:38 Whoa, a commie?

Bridget Phetasy 46:39 ... one... Yeah. I mean, he, he was... It was the '80s. He was following (laughs) ... He... I don't know. He went off on a journey. Um, and I had ano-... Everybody... There was a Republican uncle, and there w-... You know, one of my uncles was gay, and it was a whole mishmash of... And my grandparents were like, "You do not fight about politics. Everyone's allowed to have their opinion, but you don't, you don't, like, lose family members." That's why this whole thing of, like, "You need to go to Thanksgiving (laughs) and confront your Fox-watching," you know, "parents."

Joe Rogan 47:11 Who said that? Who said that?

Bridget Phetasy 47:11 They... There are always articles, like around Thanksgiving-

Joe Rogan 47:13 Oh, God.

Bridget Phetasy 47:13 ... where you need to, like, go home and confront your-

Joe Rogan 47:16 Everyone who writes those articles is mentally ill.

Bridget Phetasy 47:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:19 They're all mentally ill, anxiety-ridden, with a, a rotting foundation.

Bridget Phetasy 47:25 I, I-

Joe Rogan 47:25 If you, if you really think that it's a good idea to confront your Fox News-watching relatives and yell at them-

Bridget Phetasy 47:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:31 ... over Thanksgiving, you fucking idiot.

Bridget Phetasy 47:34 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 47:34 No, that's not what it's for. You're not gonna fix them and change them.

Bridget Phetasy 47:36 No, no, no.

Joe Rogan 47:37 It's not gonna happen.

Bridget Phetasy 47:38 No.

Joe Rogan 47:38 What you're gonna do is make an awful v- thing, a- an awful holiday experience for the family.

Bridget Phetasy 47:45 Yeah, yeah. It's-

Joe Rogan 47:45 You're gonna ruin it.

Bridget Phetasy 47:46 And again, I'm, uh... You know, blood is thicker than water. It's just, I want to... We were really raised to be, uh, tolerant, like, ideologically tolerant.

Joe Rogan 47:55 That's good.

Bridget Phetasy 47:56 Not-

Joe Rogan 47:56 Well, that's one of the... The first thing cults do. They separate you from your parents.

Bridget Phetasy 47:59 Yeah, yeah. I was-

Joe Rogan 48:00 The first thing. It's the fir-... If, if someone says, "You need to get away from your parents."

Bridget Phetasy 48:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:04 Uh, you're like, "Oh, look, someone's starting a cult."

Bridget Phetasy 48:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:07 How cute.

Bridget Phetasy 48:07 Well, that's how I feel (laughs) on Dumpster Fire. We're always like... Our update on our, our cult... Because we always say Meghan Markle took Harry and, like, now he's in a cult (laughs) and in, like, her cult.

Joe Rogan 48:18 What is her cult?

Bridget Phetasy 48:19 I don't know.... know, but she separated from his family. She moved him to another country. There are a lot of red flags. He has no friends. He's completely isolated in LA. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:29 Well, he's probably never got that kind of pussy before.

Bridget Phetasy 48:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:33 You know?

Bridget Phetasy 48:33 He's Prince Harry, of course he has.

Joe Rogan 48:35 No, no, no, no, no. Very reserved, gotta be careful.

Bridget Phetasy 48:37 No.

Joe Rogan 48:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 48:37 He was a partier.

Joe Rogan 48:39 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 48:39 He was a partier.

Joe Rogan 48:39 But I'm sure, I'm sure. You saw what happened to the one dude who flew over to Epstein Island? That guy's fucked.

Bridget Phetasy 48:44 That was the older one, though.

Joe Rogan 48:46 What's that guy's name? Andrew?

Bridget Phetasy 48:47 Andrew?

Joe Rogan 48:47 He's fucked.

Bridget Phetasy 48:48 Well-

Joe Rogan 48:48 He's fucked. They got him out of the castle. He's gone. He's gotta get a job now.

Bridget Phetasy 48:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:52 They kicked him out.

Bridget Phetasy 48:53 He, he should be kicked out.

Joe Rogan 48:54 He doesn't even get the money anymore.

Bridget Phetasy 48:55 What was he doing in that weird place?

Joe Rogan 48:57 He doesn't get any of that free royal money. What was he doing? He was fucking the girls-

Bridget Phetasy 49:00 Yeah, I, I-

Joe Rogan 49:00 ... that Epstein brought to him.

Bridget Phetasy 49:01 ... I'm aware of what he was doing. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:04 It's a horrific story.

Bridget Phetasy 49:05 No, that shit is as dark as it gets.

Joe Rogan 49:07 Horrific.

Bridget Phetasy 49:07 It's as, it is as ... Uh, Tim Dillon and I always talk about this. It is as dark as it gets.

Joe Rogan 49:13 As it gets ever.

Bridget Phetasy 49:14 Ever.

Joe Rogan 49:14 And then, the fact that they killed him and got away with it in front of everybody.

Bridget Phetasy 49:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:18 You're like, "Holy shit. Holy shit."

Bridget Phetasy 49:22 A lot's happened since I was here last, a lot. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:24 A lot.

Bridget Phetasy 49:25 Yeah, it's been just like-

Joe Rogan 49:26 They fucking whacked him-

Bridget Phetasy 49:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:27 ... in front of everybody.

Bridget Phetasy 49:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:30 Wow. And then, when you find out how many different large tech organizations and people and, you know, influential people that he was in-

Bridget Phetasy 49:40 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:40 ... involved with, it's crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 49:42 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:42 It's crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 49:44 It is straight out of something that you, you couldn't even believe.

Joe Rogan 49:47 I wonder if it's that so many of those guys, like, wanna do something freaky, but they can't. Like, they, they, they wanna get hookers and do some coke-

Bridget Phetasy 49:54 And they can't.

Joe Rogan 49:54 And they can't.

Bridget Phetasy 49:55 So they just go to the-

Joe Rogan 49:56 If they can't-

Bridget Phetasy 49:56 ... fucking temple?

Joe Rogan 49:56 If you go to that island, the guy says, "What's up?"

Bridget Phetasy 49:58 What were they doing in that temple?

Joe Rogan 50:00 "This is what we do."

Bridget Phetasy 50:00 Were they sacrificing virgins?

Joe Rogan 50:01 No.

Bridget Phetasy 50:01 Like, what-

Joe Rogan 50:02 They were probably fucking. Probably it's all mirrors in that temple and-

Bridget Phetasy 50:04 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 50:05 ... incense and shit. (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 50:05 It's so gross. So speaking of cults, I was just thinking about this because I ended up on a cult, kind of, like, accidentally. I didn't have a place to stay.

Joe Rogan 50:15 Recently?

Bridget Phetasy 50:15 No. I was talking to Sam Harris yesterday, and we were talking about all of his time. I didn't know that he spent, like, 10 years as, like, a wandering hippie. I had no idea.

Joe Rogan 50:24 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 50:24 In, um, India. And so, I was like, you know, how ... A lot of people don't get out. And when I was traveling for two years around the world, I ended up on a lot of ashrams. And one of them was an Osho ashram, which was that-

Joe Rogan 50:37 Whoa.

Bridget Phetasy 50:37 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:38 Really?

Bridget Phetasy 50:39 So I came into my room. I wrote a whole piece about it for Mel Magazine.

Joe Rogan 50:42 "Energy is leaking out of your body."

Bridget Phetasy 50:45 It's so ... I walked into my ... Here, I walked in, and my roommate, Samantha Shahu, who's amazing, was watching the documentary. And there's this, like, exercise where they dance, and you go, "Hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo." And it's a meditation that they made up. And I'm like, "Oh, I've done that." And they're naked.

Joe Rogan 51:01 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 51:01 And she's like, "Of fucking course you've done this, Bridget."

Joe Rogan 51:04 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 51:04 And I sat down. I'm like, "Oh, my God. This is ..." It wasn't Osho 'cause he's obviously dead, but it was his lineage.

Joe Rogan 51:11 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 51:11 And it was, it was wild. It was ... I was there for, like, three weeks. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:15 Wow. That documentary-

Bridget Phetasy 51:19 But it was ... "They give you a new name."

Joe Rogan 51:20 ... starts out great. What was your new name? What's your name?

Bridget Phetasy 51:20 Uh, Prem Sarita.

Joe Rogan 51:22 Prem Sarita's beautiful.

Bridget Phetasy 51:22 It means river of love.

Joe Rogan 51:24 Oh.

Bridget Phetasy 51:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:25 Okay, don't drown.

Bridget Phetasy 51:25 But he called me a scumbag. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:27 Did he? Why?

Bridget Phetasy 51:28 He ... Because they break you down in front of people. And you, you know me. I couldn't stop laughing. And so he was like, "You are a scumbag. How-"

Joe Rogan 51:34 Wait a minute. Who is th- is this guy?

Bridget Phetasy 51:36 The, the guru.

Joe Rogan 51:37 What does he look like? You gotta explain to me.

Bridget Phetasy 51:37 He looks like a guru.

Joe Rogan 51:39 Like, like how? Like, got a beard?

Bridget Phetasy 51:40 Like, long hair. He was tan. He said that he was 80, but it came out that he was actually 60. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:47 (laughs) So he's like, "Look how good I look."

Bridget Phetasy 51:50 And he's like, "Look at the shape I'm in from being here and eating," 'cause they want you to stay. And he was trying to, like, break me down psychologically, but I think my brain is, like, too dirty to be washed. (laughs) Like, I just don't think-

Joe Rogan 52:02 (laughs) That's a great way of putting it.

Bridget Phetasy 52:04 I don't think that it, it is-

Joe Rogan 52:06 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 52:06 ... capable. And so he was like, "You are a scumbag out there. You don't have w- work." And I was like, "Actually, you're pretty right." And he's like, "Say it. Say you are a scumbag." And I had to yell, "I am a scumbag," in front of this whole group of strangers. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:19 That's so funny. That's so funny.

Bridget Phetasy 52:22 It was wild.

Joe Rogan 52:23 So this guy who was breaking you down, was he socially inept? Like, uh, was it an awkward breakdown?

Bridget Phetasy 52:27 No, no.

Joe Rogan 52:28 'Cause you didn't, you didn't buy into it. You just sort of went around with it for fun?

Bridget Phetasy 52:31 I mean, I'm very curious.

Joe Rogan 52:33 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 52:34 So I, like ... I think the writer in me ... And we talked about this last time, just the, the ... when I was, like, the, the third in the open marriage. Soma, I remember vividly sitting just, uh, on their couch and being like, "Ugh, should I do this? It's so weird," but then I'm like, "Eh, but it's such a great story."

Joe Rogan 52:50 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 52:50 And same, this whole thing happened because I was with a Sydney trust fund baby, and he needed somebody to drive up to Byron Bay with him. And I ... He's like, "Oh, it's no problem. You'll find a place to stay," and there was nowhere to stay. And he was off on boys week in Byron Bay during, like, Christmas. I knew no ... Speaking of knowing nobody, I went to Australia on a one-way ticket and knew nobody. And so I was like, "I'm fucked."

Joe Rogan 53:13 One-way ticket?

Bridget Phetasy 53:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:15 God, that's such a crazy move.

Bridget Phetasy 53:16 I-

Joe Rogan 53:16 How old were you? 28?

Bridget Phetasy 53:17 No, I was 30, 33.

Joe Rogan 53:19 Wow.

Bridget Phetasy 53:19 I called it 33. Yeah. And so-

Joe Rogan 53:22 33.

Bridget Phetasy 53:23 Yeah, I just went ... It was, uh ... I had been in LA kind of grinding, and I, and I was like, "If I don't travel now, I, I'm getting-"

Joe Rogan 53:29 One-way ticket is a wild move.

Bridget Phetasy 53:31 (laughs) I do it a lot.

Joe Rogan 53:33 Really?

Bridget Phetasy 53:33 A lot, yeah. A lot. I'm kind of down for that.

Joe Rogan 53:36 So you have to figure out how to get back. But imagine if COVID broke out right when you landed in Australia.

Bridget Phetasy 53:39 I know, I'd be stuck. I was stuck in, in, um, India with $7. I had to have somebody, like-

Joe Rogan 53:45 Ooh.

Bridget Phetasy 53:45 ... buy me a ticket out that, that time. An ex-boyfriend. Thank you, Casey.

Joe Rogan 53:49 Oh, wow.

Bridget Phetasy 53:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:50 Shout-out to Casey.

Bridget Phetasy 53:51 Shout-out to Casey.

Joe Rogan 53:52 Well, that's nice that he did that.

Bridget Phetasy 53:53 Getting me out of India.

Joe Rogan 53:55 What did they do before, like, in the old days? I mean-

Bridget Phetasy 53:59 India is basically like the old days when you travel there.

Joe Rogan 54:02 No, but I mean it's like you needed a ticket in, like, the '70s.

Bridget Phetasy 54:04 Oh, I don't know. I mean-

Joe Rogan 54:05 What the fuck would you do?

Bridget Phetasy 54:07 My dad traveled around the world when he was in his 20s. And I was like, "How did you do it?" You know? He's like, "Oh, you know, we ..." I wouldn't talk to my parents for ... They'd have no idea where you were.

Joe Rogan 54:18 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 54:19 I mean-

Joe Rogan 54:19 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 54:19 They ... You have to just do everything by paper. You look for s-... bus schedules when you get there. You know, you go find a hotel when you arrive in the city.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 54:29 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 54:31 How about hitchhikers? Like, hitchhikers are the craziest assholes ever.

Bridget Phetasy 54:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:34 Like, "Let's just randomly hope this person who's just gonna randomly pick me up-

Bridget Phetasy 54:39 Is a-

Joe Rogan 54:39 ... isn't gonna kill me."

Bridget Phetasy 54:40 (laughs) Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:41 And then, you would read stories. You'd read stories about this guy, kidnapped this girl and cut her hands off, like, "What?"

Bridget Phetasy 54:46 Mm-hmm. God, no.

Joe Rogan 54:47 "What the fuck?"

Bridget Phetasy 54:48 That's my biggest... I'm, I'm so afraid of, of that. Of like-

Joe Rogan 54:52 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 54:52 That's always been... In my most recent podcast I did, every once in a while I do story hours where my cousin, Maggie, interviews me. And I was telling her about my traveling, and she was asking me, and it turns out I have like four near-abduction stories (laughs) that I completely forgot about. But I, I have this... I have that fear, but it's also been reinforced by-

Joe Rogan 55:14 Oh. So when you join this cult-

Bridget Phetasy 55:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:15 ... and they, they, they break you down, they say, "You're a scumbag."

Bridget Phetasy 55:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:19 How, how, what's his accent like? What was it like?

Bridget Phetasy 55:20 It was a weird accent because he was from Italy originally.

Joe Rogan 55:23 Oh.

Bridget Phetasy 55:25 And then, he-

Joe Rogan 55:25 How much of that cult was about banging?

Bridget Phetasy 55:27 A lot.

Joe Rogan 55:28 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 55:28 But I didn't... I only had one cult boyfriend.

Joe Rogan 55:31 Oh.

Bridget Phetasy 55:31 But he encouraged polyamory and I think my cult boyfriend saved me, (laughs) my cult boyfriend. I mean, um-

Joe Rogan 55:39 Why did he save you?

Bridget Phetasy 55:40 Well, because he was, uh ... He had just come there to kind of recharge. He was in, getting his degree in philosophy and he had occasionally come and he was a musician. And then, he left and went to Melbourne. And then, I went back into the city to drop him off. And we weren't allowed to drink or anything, and this is when I was still partying like, um, a legend. And (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 56:00 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 56:01 ... and I got three bottles of wine and I drank an entire bottle of wine in the park. And then, my friend came and took me back to the ashram, and I was hammered. And I was crying and making a scene, and, and he was like, "What are you drinking?" And he said, "Do you have enough for the rest of everyone?" And so, then everyone dr... Then he let everyone drink. It was weird.

Joe Rogan 56:21 What?

Bridget Phetasy 56:22 Yeah. Then it became like a ... It was a weird thing.

Joe Rogan 56:24 You guys started partying.

Bridget Phetasy 56:26 But then, I l... I, I was texting my, I call him Sydney Trust-Fund Boy. I was like, "Get me the fuck outta here. I want a steak." We br... It was during the, um, playoffs and the, I think the Patriots were in. And so-

Joe Rogan 56:39 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 56:39 ... I was breaking into bars up and down, like, Byron Ba- Bay to try and see the playoffs. It was wild. That was-

Joe Rogan 56:45 Now, what did they eat?

Bridget Phetasy 56:47 Oh. Oh. So we had to wake up at 5:00 and we didn't have... We had a, it was a wood grill. We had a grill, but we put wood in it and that was how we cooked (laughs) everything too.

Joe Rogan 56:58 Cooked everything over wood.

Bridget Phetasy 56:58 So we had to get a (laughs) fucking fire started. It was all vegan, um, with some, like, if we got a, w- cheese was like a treat. And, um, we would have to get the fire going to even, like, make coffee or porridge or anything. And then, we'd make lunch right after breakfast was done, and then there was no dinner. (laughs) It was just, like, whatever was leftover from lunch.

Joe Rogan 57:21 Really?

Bridget Phetasy 57:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:22 So it didn't eat very well.

Bridget Phetasy 57:23 And we had to do four hours of work to stay on the ashram, like hard manual labor. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:28 Four hours a day?

Bridget Phetasy 57:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:30 Just for your room and board?

Bridget Phetasy 57:31 In the bush! In the Australian bush.

Joe Rogan 57:33 Wow. Like, what kind of stuff?

Bridget Phetasy 57:34 Well, there was this Malaysian way of raking that was really interesting, where we would mow, but then you'd rake it all into a line and you'd have to put it in a tarp and take it all away out of these fields. And it was, like, a really interesting way of taking away all the scraps.

Joe Rogan 57:51 Oh.

Bridget Phetasy 57:51 We had cold showers. There were all kinds of bugs and shit trying to kill me all the time.

Joe Rogan 57:57 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 57:57 Um, it was wild. It was a wild, it was a wild experience. And-

Joe Rogan 58:01 God, damn.

Bridget Phetasy 58:02 ... there was so much drama because everybody was swapping partners.

Joe Rogan 58:06 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 58:06 Like, so much drama. It was supposed to be this place where you go and meditate and get in touch, and it was like as the teepee turned. It was just like-

Joe Rogan 58:14 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 58:15 ... nonstop (laughs) drama with, like, all the... And he encouraged it and loved it. And that's what's weird about these places is they use that to manipulate you into staying.

Joe Rogan 58:27 Oh, my God. Have you ever talked to Adam Egert about his-

Bridget Phetasy 58:29 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 58:30 ... cult experiences?

Bridget Phetasy 58:30 No.

Joe Rogan 58:31 Yeah. You know Adam, from The Comedy Store?

Bridget Phetasy 58:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:33 He, he's the creative director at The Comedy Store.

Bridget Phetasy 58:35 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:36 He's coming on the podcast soon to talk-

Bridget Phetasy 58:37 Oh, I love Adam.

Joe Rogan 58:38 I love Adam too.

Bridget Phetasy 58:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:39 He's the best.

Bridget Phetasy 58:40 He is.

Joe Rogan 58:40 And he, he's, he's got a crazy cult background.

Bridget Phetasy 58:43 No way.

Joe Rogan 58:44 Yeah. Um, my friend, Todd, who's a great guy, like not a cult member at all.

Bridget Phetasy 58:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:49 Just a super normal guy. He watched the first, uh, episode of Wild Wild Country and he was like, "This looks great."

Bridget Phetasy 58:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:57 He's like, "They're having so much fun." I go, "I know, I know, but stay with it." (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 59:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:00 "Stay with it." 'Cause in the beginning, you're like, "Oh, yeah. Like, regular life is bullshit. Oh, yeah."

Bridget Phetasy 59:06 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:06 Like, "Our society is bullshit."

Bridget Phetasy 59:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:08 "Wouldn't it be great if we just, well, all loved each other and we all embraced our fears and understood our, our, our position in the universe and were kind to each other and, and, and let go, let go of all this fear and all this bullshit?" And what, what better way to do it than to get a bunch of like-minded people and move to a, a spot in Oregon?

Bridget Phetasy 59:24 Yeah. Well, that was the, that... In the piece I wrote about it, I said I had a lot of conflicting feelings because it's amazing how quickly my biorhythms adjusted to waking up at 5:00 or 6:00, you know, living just ... The lack of waste. We had the compostable toilets, so the poo-... the poo became manure, you know, like manure.

Joe Rogan 59:45 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 59:45 Um, this was the same on the weed farms too. And it's nice to just not feel like you, you're creating all that waste.

Joe Rogan 59:52 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 59:52 Because I know that every time I get, like, a package from Amazon, I'm like, "Ugh."

Joe Rogan 59:56 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 59:56 "This is not sustainable." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:57 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 59:58 You know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:58 It's all waste.

Bridget Phetasy 59:58 It's just-

Joe Rogan 59:59 It could be sustainable with hemp paper. That's what's really crazy. I mean, all this stuff could be fixed, all this chopping down of trees. If you take 100 acres of hemp, how much more paper you could get out of 100 acres of hemp-

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:16 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 ... than 100 acres of trees because you could regar- regrow it every year. Whereas, if you're regrowing trees, you're not making paper outta those trees for years.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:24 Yeah, yeah. No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 For years.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:25 No.

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 They gotta grow and then you gotta kill them in their prime.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:28 Hemp is like the buffalo of plants.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 It's nuts.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 It's nuts.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:31 Like, you can use every part of it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 My friend, Todd McCormick, said it's alien.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 He- and he's, he's like a, a real marijuana wizard. Like, he really understands the history of it. He goes-

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:41 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 "But if you look at the compounds of it..." He goes, "There's nothing like it on this planet. And then, if you pick up the stalk..." Like, he had a, uh... You remember Jack Herer?

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:49 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 Jack Herer was, uh, a guy who wrote The Emperor Wears No Clothes.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:53 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 It was a book about his transition from being a Goldwater Republican to being, like, a, a pot evangelist.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:00 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:01:00 And I was very fortunate to meet him and know him. Uh, but he had this, this fucking ... It was either Todd or him, had this stalk of hemp. And it's, it's like, it feels like balsa wood.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:12 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 It's so weird.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 But it's hard, (knocks) like this oak.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 But it's, it's the strangest plant.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:18 Yeah, it is weird.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 It doesn't make any sense. You're like, "There's nothing like this."

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 Everything that's hard, like if you have a piece of, uh, mahogany, like it's heavy, but it's hard as fuck.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 Like oak is heavy, but it's hard as fuck. But hemp are as hard as fuck and it's light.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:31 Yeah, it's weird.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 It's really weird. It makes the best paper.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 Have you ever fucked with hemp paper? You can't even rip it. It's weird.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 It's- I'm not kidding.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:40 'Cause it has so much, um-

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 The fibers-

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:41 Yeah, the fibers.

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 ... are so strong.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:43 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 It's just a different kind of thing.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:44 Oh, I know. We had-

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 You did?

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:46 Well, we used to have to, like, break all the stalks-

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 Oh, that's right.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:48 ... at the end when we'd tear the whole garden down at the end-

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:50 ... of the season. And it was fun, but it was, it was a lot of work. And those plants definitely ... I loved working on the farms because they just to m- as far as ... Not to sound all hippie, but it radiates love. Like those-

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 There's something in them, right?

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:04 ... gardens just radiate love.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:07 And I would love going in the morning when there was dew on the plants and there'd be sun coming up and it was just so ... You could feel so much. There's something special about them for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 There's something going on you feel when you're next to them, especially if you go to a grow op and there's like a bunch of them in the room.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 There's a tangible difference you feel when you're in the room, almost like you're around these little angels.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:28 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 Like you get this love from like ...

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 "Are you, are you guys real?"

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:31 Yeah. They-

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 Their s- it feels so nice.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:33 Yeah. It's, it's good. It, it's a shame sometimes the culture around it gets a little aggro, like especially up in Humboldt. It can be-

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 I heard Humboldt's really weird-

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:43 It's-

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 ... 'cause it's like it's-

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 It's built on crime, essentially, right?

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:47 Yeah, it's a, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 'Cause it was an illegal business.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:48 ... aggro ... It's like there's a kind of aggressive weed bro type that is-

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 Do you think that's because the fact it was a, a crime? So you get, like people-

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 ... toting guns. There's like a g-

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:58 Yeah, and like their RVs and they're driving-

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 Uh-huh.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:00 In Humboldt. I mean, it's gorgeous up there, but it's definitely ... Um, compared to some of the more family operated places that I was on, there was a whole different vibe in Humboldt and in that area. It was like, "Whoa." The, like, the guns and the guards and the dogs and the ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 Well, these people have been illegally operating out there forever.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:20 Yeah. But same with a lot of the other people that were kind of grow ... I mean, it w- ... The people I was working for, they were like third generation, so they were like OG. And, and it was still very loving and family oriented and the whole vibe was very, um, gentle. (laughs) It wasn't as like aggressive and-

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 Did you ever watch the documentary, The Union?

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:42 No.

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 The Union is, um, by my friend, uh, Scott Cor- Scorgie and ... Adam Scorgie, sorry. Um, Adam Scorgie has this, uh ... I haven't seen him since like 2010 or something. He, um, had this documentary that he did about Vancouver.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:00 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:00 And about how Vancouver had this underlying economy that was all weed based.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:07 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 It's like the thing that was keeping ... Like, like, you look at the, the economy. If you look at the economy, like where, where's all the money coming from? Oh, well, there's an industry. We manufacture cars, we do this, we do that. There was this whole section, it was just weed.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:20 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 Weed and weed money.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 And it wasn't legal, you know?

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 He, he also did that, uh, the documentary The Culture High, which is another great movie on marijuana. But The Union is all about this one particular area where you see how intertwined pot growing is and how it's kind of accepted-

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 ... but still kind of illegal.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:39 Yeah, yeah. That was the weird thing about it. In the kind of 2000 ... You know, 2006 when it was shifting.

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:47 It was just that vibe of like it wa- ... It had been illegal and then it was in this weird gray area, and it was still illegal, even when I was working there. But it ... Everyone was like, "Is that illegal?" I'm like, "Eh, it's kind of a gray area." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:00 Yeah. It's, um, legal to grow a certain amount medicinally, and then by the time it became legal ... Here's the real problem. Um, the real problem ... Did, have you ever heard of, uh, what's going on with the cartels, cartels growing weed in public land out here?

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:14 Oh, yeah, I've heard about this. Like in the forests and stuff?

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 There's a guy named John Norris. He's been on the podcast before. He was a game warden that when he sta- ... Signed up to be a game morm- game warden is because he's a guy who enjoys the outdoors.

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 Thought it'd be great. You know, you're just going around making sure everybody's following the regulations, check your fishing license, that kind of stuff.

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:32 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 That's what he thought it was gonna be. It turned out he had to run a fucking tactical-

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:36 (laughs) Oh, right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 ... unit to stop the cartels from ... These grow ops and getting into-

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:40 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:05:40 ... gunfights, and they're using dogs, the sick dogs. So they sick them on fucking cartel members. It's crazy. And it, it shows how it all starts for him, that they found this one diverted stream and it was a very important stream for steelhead.

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:54 Ah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 And, see these, these fish were kind of fucked because the water had somehow now been diverted and dried up. So they thought, "Well, it's fine. We'll f- follow this, the stream, get to the source of it, and it's probably, you know, some, uh, you know, some sort of an issue that we can solve." Well, they get to the source of it and turns out there's a giant Mexican cartel-

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:11 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 ... illegal grow op.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:12 My God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 And they've, they've diverted all this water, and then on top of that, they're using super toxic pesticides.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:18 Yeah, yeah. They don't use the-

Joe Rogan 1:06:19 And poison to keep the animals from eating the leaves. And then you get this poison that's in the fucking plant when you're selling it, and he's like, "90% of the places that are ... where the, the, where marijuana is illegal," and they're getting, they're getting it from the cartels.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:33 Ah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 So they're getting this toxic, spewed on weed and they're distributing it. They're growing it in California in all the state parks.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:42 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 They're growing it in the national forest. They're growing it in this public land. They just ... They, they go out into the mountains. I have a friend who found a camp like this at Tejon Ranch.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:50 I would run.

Joe Rogan 1:06:51 ... they didn't know what to do. They, like-

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 ... They, like, st- these are ranchers.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:54 They stumbled upon all this, uh, this, like, piping and all this stuff.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:58 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:58 And they, they're like, "What in the fuck is this?" And then they found all these marijuana plants and they called, uh, I don't know what the sh- they called the sheriff's office or whatever and they came down and torched it.

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:06 It's... It's weird. I wonder how the illegal market's doing now that it's legal. It's so-

Joe Rogan 1:07:11 They're still doing well-

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 ... 'cause it's not legal everywhere. That's the point of his book.

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:14 And there's so much regulation, so-

Joe Rogan 1:07:16 Bro, it should be legal everywhere.

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 Because all you're doing is propping up the Mexican cartels.

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:22 Mmm...

Joe Rogan 1:07:22 Did you see the shit that was happening in Sinaloa yesterday?

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:24 No.

Joe Rogan 1:07:24 They were... There were gunfights in the streets.

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:26 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 1:07:27 The cartels are having gunfights in... Go to, uh, Ed's Manifesto, his Instagram page. He's got this video where these people are hiding behind a wall and you're just watching (mimicking machine gun firing) . Machine guns in the streets.

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:44 And this is all because of the cartels. This is all ca-... And the cartels are pumped up because of what? Illegal drugs.

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:50 But-

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 It's all... That's their, their source of revenue.

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:52 Big marijuana is, um... (laughs) You always laugh when I say that, but there is big weed and it's, it's taking out a lot of the independent, you know, mom and pop growers.

Joe Rogan 1:08:02 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:02 It's like the Amazon of weed. It take-

Joe Rogan 1:08:04 Yeah. Well, I'm sure that's gonna happen-

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:06 It's-

Joe Rogan 1:08:06 ... with everything that's worth money. Right?

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:08 Yeah. But I... There... I have... I don't know. I have mixed feelings about that too, because in places where there's this beautiful soil, they're paving over the soil and putting up, like, huge domes where there's no ambient light and now you have light pollution in places because they're growing everything indoor because you can control it, obviously, so...

Joe Rogan 1:08:26 And you can keep the lights on all fucking day.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:28 Yeah. It's fu-... It's like a fucking UFO just landed.

Joe Rogan 1:08:31 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:31 And-

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 All day, all night.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:32 And these, like, beautiful woods with some of the best soil in America. And I, I definitely, um... The hippie in me is like, "No. We're going too far." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:42 Yeah. But in their defense, that's how you make weed grow quicker.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:47 Yeah, but-

Joe Rogan 1:08:47 You're doing it right.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:50 I'm probably smoking some of that weed right now.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:51 Probably. Probably. But you're also destroying an economy of local mom and pop growers.

Joe Rogan 1:08:59 Ah, sloppy hippies should have planned for the future.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:02 You should (laughs) ... should have wrapped up your business years ago and hired guns. Armed guns.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:07 (laughs) So, have you been baking bread?

Joe Rogan 1:09:10 No. Tom Papa has though. He makes good bread.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:11 I know. I was gonna...