Joe Rogan Experience #1482 - Jordan Jonas

1. 0:00 – 2:07

   What the show 'Alone' really is (10 items, self-filmed, last to tap wins)

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      All right, we're rolling.

   2. JJJordan Jonas0:01

      All right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Hey, man, thanks for doing this. I appreciate it.

   4. JJJordan Jonas0:03

      Yeah, it's an honor to be here and to talk to you.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      My... Hey, my pleasure, honor to talk to you. I, uh, really en-... Uh, first of all, I really enjoyed you on Cuffaro Cast, so-

   6. JJJordan Jonas0:09

      Oh, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      ... uh, shout-out to my friend, Aaron Snyder-

   8. JJJordan Jonas0:11

      He says hey.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      ... and Frank the Tank.

   10. JJJordan Jonas0:13

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:13

       Say hey right back to him. Uh, I listened to you on the show, and I was like, "Goddamn, what an interesting guy. Uh, what a fucking crazy life-"

   12. JJJordan Jonas0:19

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       "... you've had." Um, we should... So, you were on that show alone, right?

   14. JJJordan Jonas0:24

       Right, right. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       And, uh, explain that show for people who don't know what the fuck it is.

   16. JJJordan Jonas0:28

       Yeah, so it's a, it's a show where they get, uh, 10 people. You... Each of those people get to pick out 10 basic items, you know, like an ax and a bow and a saw, and a... You know, 10 items.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Just 10 items?

   18. JJJordan Jonas0:40

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Does that include arrows? Like, you can only have one-

   20. JJJordan Jonas0:42

       Yeah, your... No, your bow comes with nine arrows.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Oh, okay.

   22. JJJordan Jonas0:45

       So, you get a bow and arrows, yeah, I guess is an item.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Okay.

   24. JJJordan Jonas0:47

       So, that's a loosely 10 items. And then you, uh... They basically take 10 people, fly them out into, uh, the middle of nowhere and drop them e- ev- each off by themselves. You got all the video camera equipment, and it's just self-filming. And it's basically the last one to give up wins, so-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Wow, and how do they-

   26. JJJordan Jonas1:06

       ... yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       How do you know if anyone's given up before you?

   28. JJJordan Jonas1:09

       You don't. You just... They're out there. You could be out... Like, previously, the show's been up, it's up to a year, you know, so there's a-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       A year?

   30. JJJordan Jonas1:14

       (laughs) Yeah, yeah. Hypothetically it could go a year, so-
2. 2:07 – 6:12

   Idaho farm upbringing and the freight-train ‘hobo’ years

   1. JJJordan Jonas2:07

      Yeah, we grew up on a farm in Idaho, and that kinda just puts you in the outdoors. I'd say I kinda had... You know, but then I was doing the normal thing, working a concrete job, working at a salad dressing factory, blah, blah. And then, uh, my brother took me out riding freight trains, and we rode across the country. I just, like, hopped-

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:25

      Like a hobo?

   3. JJJordan Jonas2:25

      Like a hobo, yeah. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:26

      Did you have a stick with, like, a bundle at the end of it?

   5. JJJordan Jonas2:29

      Well, we were advanced, progressive hobos with backpacks. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:31

      Progressive hobos.

   7. JJJordan Jonas2:34

      No, but-

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:34

      So, you just hopped the freight trains?

   9. JJJordan Jonas2:35

      Jumped on a freight train, went across the country-

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:37

       Wow.

   11. JJJordan Jonas2:37

       ... up and back, and then I, uh... It was also the first time I had been, you know, alone for a while. At one point, I split up with them and rode for a week by myself. So, it was like kind of a-

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       What year was this?

   13. JJJordan Jonas2:48

       This was when I was 19. I'm 37 now, so something like that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       I'm bad at math.

   15. JJJordan Jonas2:54

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       So, cell phone or no cell phone back then?

   17. JJJordan Jonas2:55

       No cell phone, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       No cell phone?

   19. JJJordan Jonas2:56

       No cell phone.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:57

       Oh, my God-

   21. JJJordan Jonas2:58

       So, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       ... like a crazy person-

   23. JJJordan Jonas2:59

       No, it was awesome.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:00

       ... like a caveman.

   25. JJJordan Jonas3:00

       It wa- it was a real taste of freedom, and I think that was kind of like a coming-of-age experience for me, 'cause I just realized, "Oh, man, I don't really wanna..." You know, I wasn't gonna be in this typical life after having experienced that. Like, every night, you know, it's like total freedom. You're up-

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:15

       Yeah.

   27. JJJordan Jonas3:16

       You never know where you're gonna sleep, you never know who you're gonna meet. You're always out there in the elements. It's pretty, uh, fascinating.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:22

       Now, when you did stuff like that, did you plan on doing it for a long period of time?

   29. JJJordan Jonas3:26

       Um, I mean, I guess we just planned to go across the country and-

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       So-
3. 6:12 – 8:15

   Faith, purpose, and a leap to Russia to help build orphanages

   1. JJJordan Jonas6:12

      So, we did some construction jobs in Virginia, and then, uh...... and then, uh, you know, y- I was a young guy trying to figure out how to live a meaningful life or whatever, you know, "What am I gonna do with my life?" And, uh-

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:26

      Did you have thoughts? Did you have like a aspiration?

   3. JJJordan Jonas6:28

      Yeah, I mean, I guess to provide some context, I was... I'm like... follow a Christian path, so I was, uh, uh... I don't know if you felt that with me. It always feels like I gotta put some, uh, caveats to that, like it's like... I understand for a lot of people that means shame. I know you had, like, some mean nuns that beat you as a child. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:47

      (laughs) Yeah, you heard them?

   5. JJJordan Jonas6:48

      (laughs) Yeah, and I-

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:49

      One, one mean nun in particular straightened me right out.

   7. JJJordan Jonas6:51

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:51

      I was like, "All right."

   9. JJJordan Jonas6:53

      No, so I know it means a lot of things to a lot of people, but for me, it was always like... It was interesting 'cause it was summed up in like... in the Bible, like, uh, you know, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself," and s- god is defined as love, and so that was kind of always the core focus for my, um, you know... how I tried to decide what I was gonna do in life. And at the time, I heard of a guy that was over in Russia building orphanages and needed help, and so felt really strongly that, "Hey, that was the right thing to do," and I-

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       How did you hear of this?

   11. JJJordan Jonas7:28

       Uh, so I have a brother that's adopted, and when he grew up, he wanted to find his biological mom and just tell her, "Thanks for the (laughs) chance at life," or whatever, and when he did, turns out she had another son who was gonna go over there, and I met him, and he told me about-

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:44

       Oh, wow.

   13. JJJordan Jonas7:44

       ... this guy, so, uh... So I b- I basically felt it was the right thing to do and bought a ticket for a year, you know, just a full year, s- go over to Russia, and, and I f- headed over there. And that was kinda how the next chapter, I guess, started in life, uh-

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:02

       And how old were you then?

   15. JJJordan Jonas8:03

       Probably 21 or so- yeah, 21, mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:05

       So 21-

   17. JJJordan Jonas8:07

       Mm-mm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:07

       ... don't know anybody over there, don't know how to speak Russian.

   19. JJJordan Jonas8:09

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was, uh, that was interesting. I, uh... (laughs) There-

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:14

       Did you try to learn Russian?

4. 8:15 – 16:34

   Learning Russian from ex-cons: immersion, Cyrillic, and flexible grammar

   1. JJJordan Jonas8:15

      Oh, absolutely. So this guy that I was... that was building the orphanages is an American guy, but I went over there, and I didn't wanna live with an American 'cause I wanted to learn Russian, so he sent me to a neighboring village with, uh, these two families. Both of them were like ex-cons and, you know, (laughs) had been-

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:31

      Oh.

   3. JJJordan Jonas8:31

      ... spent a lot of time in Siberian prisons.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:33

      Oh, man.

   5. JJJordan Jonas8:33

      But they had changed, you know. They were like super cool dudes. One guy was just covered in prison tattoos, one of the funniest guys that I know, but he, uh...

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:41

      Did they drink a lot?

   7. JJJordan Jonas8:42

      No, they didn't. Those guys didn't 'cause they had changed their ways, you know-

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:46

      Ah.

   9. JJJordan Jonas8:46

      ... and found God in prison, so they, uh, they took me in like one of their own, and, uh-

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:51

       Oh, wow.

   11. JJJordan Jonas8:52

       ... and I spent the better part of that year with those guys, learning the language and-

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:56

       How much did you know before you got there? How much Russian?

   13. JJJordan Jonas8:58

       Nothing, just the alphabet.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:59

       Nothing?

   15. JJJordan Jonas8:59

       Yeah, uh, so it was-

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:01

       Can you read it?

   17. JJJordan Jonas9:01

       It was brutal. Yeah, I mean, I could make the sounds 'cause I knew the alphabet, but I didn't know what anything meant, so-

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:06

       Oh, wow.

   19. JJJordan Jonas9:06

       So it was... Yeah, that was an interesting experience, like just very isolating, to be honest, but also it was, uh... I mean, it was pretty cool, you know, in hindsight.

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:17

       Did you learn to write it?

   21. JJJordan Jonas9:20

       Yeah, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:20

       So you could write things to people in that... What is that called?

   23. JJJordan Jonas9:23

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:23

       Cyrillic? Is that what it's called?

   25. JJJordan Jonas9:24

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       Yeah.

   27. JJJordan Jonas9:24

       Right, right, right. Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:25

       So you could write things in Cyrillic?

   29. JJJordan Jonas9:27

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:27

       And you could read it as well?
5. 16:34 – 17:34

   Meeting the Evenki: nomadic reindeer life in the Siberian taiga

   1. JJJordan Jonas16:34

      Yeah, I think a year. And the guys I lived with, so they'd, you know, both been to prison, but they'd also been in prison together with some, uh, native nomadic guy that lived up in the north of Siberia. And so, my buddy would always tell me, "Oh, you gotta meet my buddy from the north. You know, you gotta go live up there." And so, so, I was like, "Yeah, that'd be cool." And s- eventually, he, uh, connected us. You know, dude was coming through to sell furs in the city and I was there, and he introduced me. And, uh, the Evenki guy, Yura, invited me up to the far north to kinda check out his way of life.

   2. JRJoe Rogan17:07

      Is that the videos that you showed ... sent me?

   3. JJJordan Jonas17:09

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan17:09

      And you ... I'm gonna send you these ... these to you, Jamie, 'cause it's crazy. Dude's riding on reindeers.

   5. JJJordan Jonas17:15

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:15

      Like, s- ... You, uh, you were ... What, what, what is the name of those people who are up there?

   7. JJJordan Jonas17:20

      So, those are the Evenki people. They live in the, like, b- you know, the taiga, the forest-

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:25

      Mm.

   9. JJJordan Jonas17:25

      ... up there and they, uh, are nomadic. Man, I didn't even know people like that existed until I met him 'cause they were-

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:31

       Oh, you have a video. You already have it.

   11. JJJordan Jonas17:32

       There you go.

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:33

       Look at you, wizard.

6. 17:34 – 27:39

   Velvet antlers, ‘supplements,’ and the odd economics of animal parts

   1. JJJordan Jonas17:34

      See, they're cutting the-

   2. JRJoe Rogan17:34

      Jamie's the best Googler of all time.

   3. JJJordan Jonas17:36

      ... cutting the antler offa one.

   4. JRJoe Rogan17:37

      So, why do they cut the antlers off?

   5. JJJordan Jonas17:39

      They do it for a number of reason. One is because they, uh ... That antler skin ... Well, this one particularly was growing into the reindeer's eye.

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:47

      Oh.

   7. JJJordan Jonas17:47

      So they were gonna cut it off to help the reindeer. And then (laughs) , uh, you can also eat the f- the, uh, skin off the velvet.

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:56

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JJJordan Jonas17:56

      And it's, you know, Chi- uh, Chinese medicine for, uh, men's health and stuff, so ... (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan18:02

       Well, it, it actually was, uh, a thing that they were selling as a supplement.

   11. JJJordan Jonas18:07

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan18:08

       And they were, uh, they were selling ... Oh, man. They're digging in there and it's all bloody and shit.

   13. JJJordan Jonas18:13

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan18:13

       Is ... Isn't it crazy? Like, uh, uh, animals with antlers, it's such a bizarre thing because they regrow them-

   15. JJJordan Jonas18:18

       Every year.

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:19

       ... every year.

   17. JJJordan Jonas18:19

       So much energy.

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:19

       And they fall off.

   19. JJJordan Jonas18:20

       Yeah, so much energy into that.

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:22

       And caribou, which is what a, a reindeer is-

   21. JJJordan Jonas18:24

       Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:25

       ... I believe they have the largest antlers to body size of any of the-

   23. JJJordan Jonas18:30

       Oh, right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:30

       ... the deer family.

   25. JJJordan Jonas18:30

       Yeah, there's some massive ones.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:31

       Oh, hey.

   27. JJJordan Jonas18:32

       Oh, geez.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:32

       This is getting serious.

   29. JJJordan Jonas18:34

       Serious.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:34

       So, how often do they do that?
7. 27:39 – 33:30

   Injuries, field medicine, and survival know-how (ice nets, pine sap, rib breaks)

   1. JRJoe Rogan27:39

      What do they, what do they do if they get injured?

   2. JJJordan Jonas27:41

      Oh, that's a problem. They actually have... (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan27:46

      (laughs)

   4. JJJordan Jonas27:46

      There's good and bad out there, and it's g-... They, uh, uh... They can call in a helicopter, but i- it's so far out, you know, it'll... It's gonna be a problem. I've broken some ribs out there and had some... Myself, had some serious injuries that it just wasn't an option, you know. You just gotta tough it out 'cause there's-

   5. JRJoe Rogan28:04

      Like what kind of injuries-

   6. JJJordan Jonas28:04

      ... overcast.

   7. JRJoe Rogan28:04

      ... other than ribs?

   8. JJJordan Jonas28:06

      Br-... Oh, man. The... I, uh, chopped my knee with an ax one time-

   9. JRJoe Rogan28:11

      (inhales sharply)

   10. JJJordan Jonas28:11

       ... which cut a tendon, that-

   11. JRJoe Rogan28:12

       Ooh.

   12. JJJordan Jonas28:12

       ... tendon on the inside of your knee right in half, and the, uh... My other knee had recently had a knee surgery, so I was just laid up. Literally, like, three days, I was just laying in a teepee, couldn't move. I had to roll over, poop in a bag. (laughs) Like, I couldn't even... It was brutal. I, uh... But then-

   13. JRJoe Rogan28:30

       Jesus.

   14. JJJordan Jonas28:30

       ... you know, you s-... They rubbed, like, pine sap on it, and it actually healed, and, uh...

   15. JRJoe Rogan28:34

       Really?

   16. JJJordan Jonas28:35

       Yeah, it... I- I could've swore it would get infected, but they were just... Packed it with pine sap and-

   17. JRJoe Rogan28:39

       Pine sap?

   18. JJJordan Jonas28:40

       Yeah, and it healed right up pretty fast.

   19. JRJoe Rogan28:43

       So what happened to the ligament or the tendon that got cut?

   20. JJJordan Jonas28:45

       I don't know. I... It doesn't really feel as bothering me, but I didn't know it was cut at the time. It was only later when I did a...

   21. JRJoe Rogan28:51

       An MRI?

   22. JJJordan Jonas28:51

       Yeah, they told me it was, but...

   23. JRJoe Rogan28:53

       And so, it never healed?

   24. JJJordan Jonas28:55

       It... Well, I'm... I don't know what it did. They said it was hanging on by a thread. I don't know if it ever healed back or what, but-

   25. JRJoe Rogan29:00

       Oh, you don't even care? You don't wanna check that out?

   26. JJJordan Jonas29:02

       You know, I don't, I don't notice it as being weak, so I- (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan29:05

       Wow.

   28. JJJordan Jonas29:05

       ... haven't bothered. My surgery knee hurts more than that knee, so I just-

   29. JRJoe Rogan29:09

       What kind, what kind of surgery?

   30. JJJordan Jonas29:10

       AC... A couple ACL surgeries.
8. 33:30 – 36:11

   ‘Happy People’ vs. village despair: alcoholism, violence, and cultural rupture

   1. JJJordan Jonas33:30

      Right. Yeah, no, I, you, uh, you were, speaking of which, um, you've read those, like, Quanah Parker and stuff.

   2. JRJoe Rogan33:37

      Yes, yeah.

   3. JJJordan Jonas33:38

      Movie and books and stuff. Uh, me too, and now, uh, having lived with those natives, it's like there's so much good there. You see, like, uh, they really are happy people. So there's a giant, um, difference between the people who live in the village and the people who live in the forest, and the people who live in the forest, you would genuinely call, like, happy people. Like, this is, they're knowledgeable, they're being productive, they're doing all this stuff. Whereas when you go to the village, it's just like everybody's drunk.

   4. JRJoe Rogan34:05

      Oh.

   5. JJJordan Jonas34:05

      Nobody's doing anything. It's, like, just a total wreck. Especially villages that don't have any reindeer herding connected to them because they kind of don't have their cultural context to, uh, remain connected to. So the, uh, so at least in the villages that have reindeer herding, the kids can go out in the summer and live with the reindeer herders and kind of experience that, and it gives them a source of pride. It gives them, like, uh, the experience of living in the forest becoming, like, kind of really in touch with nature and all that. And whereas in the village, it's just kind of a dark hole. Everybody drinks. N- the, in those native villages, it's like, the statistic is that one out of three people die of suicide, homicide, or accident. So it's just-

   6. JRJoe Rogan34:51

      Whoa.

   7. JJJordan Jonas34:51

      And you feel it, like, I've got some stories of that that's just brutal too. But the, uh, the, I, when I read those, like, you know, the Empire of the Summer Moon, those types-

   8. JRJoe Rogan35:01

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JJJordan Jonas35:01

      ... of books, I, and I grew up with a couple good friends that were Native American, and it really made me think, like, "I wonder if you could," seeing how, how well, uh, how much of a difference it makes having that culture intact to some degree. Like, I wonder if, say, on Pine Ridge or, or, you know, on some, one of these, one of these, uh, reservations, if you could almost replicate li- something like that.

   10. JRJoe Rogan35:29

       Right. Yeah.

   11. JJJordan Jonas35:29

       Like, if you could maybe take the initiative to, like, restore some buffalo herd, use a bunch of unused land that maybe the, you know, government land or, or tribal land that's kind of unused, restore a herd, and then kind of bring back those nomadic ways. It's not like everybody would have to live that way, but from my own experience watching places that have that, um, option, you know, that kind of, that are connected to that culture, uh, flourish a lot more than the ones that didn't. There were Evenki villages with no reindeer herding and ones with, and it was like night and day as far as-

   12. JRJoe Rogan36:07

       Oh.

   13. JJJordan Jonas36:07

       And so I was like, "I wonder if that would be..." Anyway, it's something I've thought about as far, yeah.

9. 36:11 – 56:28

   Parallels with Native American history: buffalo, land, and restoring identity

   1. JRJoe Rogan36:11

      It's an interesting thing to think of, but one of the things that happened to the Native Americans in this country is-

   2. JJJordan Jonas36:17

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan36:17

      ... all the pieces of land that they got for reservations sucked.

   4. JJJordan Jonas36:20

      Yeah, no.

   5. JRJoe Rogan36:21

      That's-

   6. JJJordan Jonas36:21

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan36:21

      ... the dirty trick that the white man pulled.

   8. JJJordan Jonas36:23

      Oh, for sure. I wonder, I w- right, and I wonder if it, I mean, were, were the, is any of that land suitable for raising, like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan36:31

      Well, I'm sure some of the land is good.

   10. JJJordan Jonas36:33

       ... buffaloes and, like, I wonder. Or-

   11. JRJoe Rogan36:34

       I'm saying every piece of land, but-

   12. JJJordan Jonas36:36

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan36:36

       ... it's not really true, but a lot of it-

   14. JJJordan Jonas36:38

       No, for sure. Okla-

   15. JRJoe Rogan36:39

       ... they gave them-

   16. JJJordan Jonas36:39

       That's why they sent them to Oklahoma and the Dakotas and, yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan36:41

       They sent them to some barron, barren land.

   18. JJJordan Jonas36:43

       Barren land, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan36:43

       But that was where the Comanches were anyway, right? Weren't they-

   20. JJJordan Jonas36:45

       Right, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan36:46

       ... in Oklahoma?

   22. JJJordan Jonas36:46

       Yeah, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan36:46

       But, you know, before-

   24. JJJordan Jonas36:49

       Just bigger.

   25. JRJoe Rogan36:49

       ... the white settlers got here and fucked everything up-

   26. JJJordan Jonas36:50

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan36:51

       ... Oklahoma was probably pretty dope.

   28. JJJordan Jonas36:53

       Right. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan36:53

       You know? Just a lot of animals.

   30. JJJordan Jonas36:54

       No, yeah, yeah.
10. 56:28 – 1:06:52

    Modern life vs. wilderness: attention, social media, and pandemic-era cities

    1. JRJoe Rogan56:28

       Well, it seems like we're becoming something different.

    2. JJJordan Jonas56:30

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan56:30

       It seems like we used to be this thing, this animal, that figured out how to use tools and clothes-

    4. JJJordan Jonas56:39

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    5. JRJoe Rogan56:39

       ... and figured out how to live off the land and figured out how to live in harmony with nature, and then we invented electricity.

    6. JJJordan Jonas56:46

       (laughs) Yeah. It changed a lot.

    7. JRJoe Rogan56:48

       And we ... Yeah, I mean, we, then we invented something that allowed you to project media, like whether-

    8. JJJordan Jonas56:53

       Mm-hmm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan56:53

       ... it's radio at first and then-

    10. JJJordan Jonas56:55

        Mm-hmm.

    11. JRJoe Rogan56:55

        ... television, and then, we are connected in this way where the world is ... It's a smaller place-

    12. JJJordan Jonas57:02

        Mm-hmm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan57:02

        ... in (laughs) some ways because it's ... you, you're connected to everybody.

    14. JJJordan Jonas57:05

        Right.

    15. JRJoe Rogan57:06

        But it's still the same size, really.

    16. JJJordan Jonas57:07

        Right, right, right.

    17. JRJoe Rogan57:07

        And it's also far more complicated because you get so much information. There's so much-

    18. JJJordan Jonas57:12

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan57:12

        ... shit thrown a-

    20. JJJordan Jonas57:12

        So much to parse.

    21. JRJoe Rogan57:13

        Yeah, like Twitter. Like, I don't know if-

    22. JJJordan Jonas57:15

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan57:15

        ... you go on Twitter, but, uh, I-

    24. JJJordan Jonas57:16

        I've actually saved myself from that.

    25. JRJoe Rogan57:17

        ... dip my toe into it every now and then-

    26. JJJordan Jonas57:19

        (laughs)

    27. JRJoe Rogan57:19

        ... just to peak at the fucking madness. It's like a, it's like a bunch of chimps with weapons-

    28. JJJordan Jonas57:25

        Right.

    29. JRJoe Rogan57:25

        ... just, uh, fighting in a box.

    30. JJJordan Jonas57:27

        Yeah. It's br-

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