Joe Rogan Experience #1483 - Jesus Trejo

1. 0:01 – 1:20

   Nerves and excitement for Joe’s first hour special (Showtime)

   1. JTJesus Trejo0:01

      Jesus, my man.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:02

      What's up, man?

   3. JTJesus Trejo0:03

      What's up, brother? Good to see you.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      Good to see you, man. Thank you so much for this amazing opportunity. I, I, I couldn't sleep last night.

   5. JTJesus Trejo0:09

      Aw, get outta here.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      Yeah, I was... Yeah, no, I was excited. I laid down my, my, my outfit and ironed it.

   7. JTJesus Trejo0:15

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      I'm like... You know, I got... Yeah, lint roller.

   9. JTJesus Trejo0:17

      That's so crazy. Dude, you and I have been friends for years.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Yeah.

   11. JTJesus Trejo0:20

       You gotta, you gotta relax.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       But this is a big deal. I mean, you're, you're, you're-

   13. JTJesus Trejo0:24

       Try to get that shit outta your head. Try to get that big deal outta your head.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Yeah.

   15. JTJesus Trejo0:29

       Just clean it, clean it. You got a big deal. Tomorrow night, showtime. Well, when this airs, it'll be tonight.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Yeah, it'll be tonight, yeah.

   17. JTJesus Trejo0:35

       Showtime.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       My first one-hour special.

   19. JTJesus Trejo0:37

       That's amazing.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Yeah.

   21. JTJesus Trejo0:38

       I'm excited for you. I've seen you working it out. It's hilarious shit.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Thank you, man.

   23. JTJesus Trejo0:41

       And I know you've been really grinding up until this pandemic, but luckily, you filmed it. You got under the wire, right?

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Yeah.

   25. JTJesus Trejo0:47

       How, how many months out were you?

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Um, I filmed it November 2nd.

   27. JTJesus Trejo0:51

       Oh, okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Yeah.

   29. JTJesus Trejo0:51

       So you missed it by a couple months. That's good.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Yeah, November 2nd, I filmed it. And, you know, people think I, I named the special Stay-at-Home Son because of what was going on, but I, I landed on the, on the title, uh, in the summer.
2. 1:20 – 3:39

   How comedians develop: the 10-year rule, humility, and rewriting instincts

   1. JTJesus Trejo1:20

      How many years you been doing standup now?

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:21

      Uh, 13.

   3. JTJesus Trejo1:22

      Oh, that's good.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:23

      I started when I was 20, and I'm 33 now.

   5. JTJesus Trejo1:25

      There's a thing that they say. Uh, I don't know who they are, but I say it too. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:29

      (laughs) Who are they?

   7. JTJesus Trejo1:30

      Who are they?

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:31

      (laughs)

   9. JTJesus Trejo1:32

      10 years. Takes 10 years to become a real comic.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       Hmm.

   11. JTJesus Trejo1:35

       That's what they always say. I don't know why they say that.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       Is it like the black belt? It's like, you know, it takes 10 years to... More, more or less to get a black belt, then the learning begins?

   13. JTJesus Trejo1:44

       Well, you're always learning, you know. I think that learning begins stuff is kinda... It's a weird way to say it 'cause you're always learning, you know?

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       Yeah.

   15. JTJesus Trejo1:51

       I mean, I understand what they're saying, that there's so... You... Once you under-... It's like there's an expression. I think it was either Darren, uh, Dennis or Terence McKenna said, that when the bonfire of knowledge increases, the surface area of ignorance is exposed.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       Hmm.

   17. JTJesus Trejo2:07

       So the idea is that the more you know, the more you realize the possibilities-

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       Sure.

   19. JTJesus Trejo2:13

       ... and the less you really think you ever knew anything. When you're young, your knowledge is so limited and your world is so small that you get cocky, and you think... Also, your brain's not fully formed.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:25

       Right.

   21. JTJesus Trejo2:26

       You think, you know, you're way smarter than you really are. But as you get older, the older I get and the more I understand, I'm like, "Oh, this is all madness." Like, this whole thing's, like, tied together with bubble gum and fucking shoestrings, and it could fall apart and fly off into the universe.

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:39

       Right.

   23. JTJesus Trejo2:39

       Like, this... As I get older, I, I'm, I'm less confident in everything. I'm more, I'm more, uh, puzzled by everything, and I think I know way less the more I know. Like, the... I know way more than I knew when I was 18, but I'm way less confident. (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:55

       Yeah, that's, that's absolutely true. The, the older I get, I seem to just even doubt myself more 'cause I'm like, "What do I know?"

   25. JTJesus Trejo3:01

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:01

       It's like, I guess, you know, even in standup, when you first start out and you have those first few minutes, you're like, "Oh, no, this is funny." And then you, you know, with time, you're like, "That was not funny at, at, at all."

   27. JTJesus Trejo3:11

       No.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:11

       So it's like you hold things less dear.

   29. JTJesus Trejo3:13

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:13

       You know? There... It's not like... You know, your first five minutes, you're like, "Oh, man, this is..." You know, "Late night show, here we come." And then just, like, you're looking back, you're like-
3. 3:39 – 7:39

   Specials changed the business: Louis C.K., volume explosion, and US vs UK styles

   1. JTJesus Trejo3:39

      Right. That's a good way to do it, man. I mean, I think the, the method that guys are doing now, like, uh, every... I guess, like, Louis probably started it off because Louis was doing one a year for a little bit.

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:50

      Right.

   3. JTJesus Trejo3:50

      I think that's too much. I think it's too much one a year. But something happened around that time where I think... I, I believe Louis C.K. was probably one of the big reasons why people started doing a lot of really regular specials.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:03

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JTJesus Trejo4:04

      Um, 'cause he was, he was... If he wasn't the top guy, he was certainly at the top. And you gotta remember that this is when Chris Rock had take that... He took that self-imposed exile, just decided to not really do shows except whenever he wanted to for, like, 10 years.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:17

      Right.

   7. JTJesus Trejo4:18

      So during that time, Louis really came up. And Louis, when he was at his peak, was doing a standup special every year. And I think even he thinks that they weren't as good as they could have been if he gave it two years or three years or stuff like that.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:30

      Yeah.

   9. JTJesus Trejo4:30

      But then everybody started doing that.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:31

       Right.

   11. JTJesus Trejo4:31

       So throw your material out, and then the, the number... If you go back, I bet, I bet if we had, like, a chart that showed the number of standup specials made, like, when the internet became really popular in like the 2000s and then things started getting on the internet, like YouTube clips-

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JTJesus Trejo4:47

       ... everything just ramped up.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:48

       Sure.

   15. JTJesus Trejo4:49

       Everything ramped in a big way, the nu-... Just the sheer volume. And everybody does the same thing now. You abandon your material, and then you do all new stuff, and it-

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       And I think, like, Louis C.K. during, during that time too, like, he disrupted the business model of introducing, like, the $5 special, so it's like-

   17. JTJesus Trejo5:03

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:03

       ... it became something that was like, "Hey, you know, you can self-produce it, put it out there. There's no middleman."

   19. JTJesus Trejo5:09

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       Exactly. But I feel like the, the, the hour... Like, throwing away the hour every year seems to be, like, what comics do overseas from what I understand, like the Edinburgh Fest, they go in, they do the, you know-

   21. JTJesus Trejo5:22

       They do themes, right?

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       Yeah, they do kind of, like, a-

   23. JTJesus Trejo5:23

       Have you been?

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:24

       I've never been. I, I, I would like to experience that, but I, I think American comics really, like, hone this special for years, you know?

   25. JTJesus Trejo5:31

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:31

       And, and it takes so long to get the first one and then in between, but now it's like... You know, like you said, it, it happens a lot more.

   27. JTJesus Trejo5:38

       Everybody's doing it now. Ari loves that Edinburgh F-... He says it right too. I say it wrong. Edinburgh? That's how you say it?

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:44

       Edinburgh. Edinburgh.

   29. JTJesus Trejo5:45

       Do you know how?

   30. JVJamie Vernon5:46

       No, it's kind of that Scottish extra, like-
4. 7:39 – 12:51

   Pandemic-era comedy innovators: Schulz, Tim Dillon, Fahim, and Kyle Dunnigan’s IG craft

   1. JTJesus Trejo7:39

      Well, one thing I've noticed, in particular in the ... these last couple of months when we haven't been able to do standup is f- so first of all some people are figuring out how to do it anyway. Like Andrew Schulz got it nailed.

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:50

      Andrew nailed it.

   3. JTJesus Trejo7:52

      He's got it nailed.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:52

      Nailed it.

   5. JTJesus Trejo7:52

      He's absolutely making the most.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:54

      They're so fun to watch.

   7. JTJesus Trejo7:55

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:55

      I be turning the phone before he tells me to start it.

   9. JTJesus Trejo7:57

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:57

       Like that's how excited I am.

   11. JTJesus Trejo7:58

       Turn that phone real quick.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:59

       Yeah (laughs) .

   13. JTJesus Trejo8:00

       Dude, he's, he's put out some fucking amazing ones. That one on Joe Biden was just epic. It was epic.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:05

       I, I didn't see that one.

   15. JTJesus Trejo8:06

       Oh my God, how Biden's the perfect president for right now 'cause the world is fucking crazy.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:10

       Oh yes, yes, yes. I did see that. Yeah, yeah.

   17. JTJesus Trejo8:12

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:12

       It's so good.

   19. JVJamie Vernon8:13

       Yeah.

   20. JTJesus Trejo8:13

       It's like he's writing these pieces and then he's, he's doing a different thing because like the comedy clubs aren't available, which is where he would be working all this stuff out in the comedy club. So instead of just waiting, he said, "No, I'm gonna, I'm gonna just do it and I'm gonna make this content and just make it so good I don't even need an audience." Like everything's rapid fire. It's all-

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:31

       Monologue.

   22. JTJesus Trejo8:32

       He's having fun. You can tell he's being silly and having fun. They're great, man.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:36

       They're great. It's presented perfectly. It's, it's ... Yeah, it's ... Ev- ev- everything about it, it's, uh, impeccable.

   24. JTJesus Trejo8:42

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:42

       It r- it really is and, you know, they-

   26. JTJesus Trejo8:44

       And my boy Tim Dillon, his shit that he's been doing during this-

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:46

       Hilarious.

   28. JTJesus Trejo8:47

       ... during this pandemic.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:48

       (laughs)

   30. JTJesus Trejo8:48

       It's been some of the best.
5. 12:51 – 17:31

   From cartoons to reincarnation: why humans crave endings and markers

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:51

      That's what's great with cartoons, you know? It's like all of that's like, yeah, it's- it- it doesn't harm.

   2. JTJesus Trejo12:56

      Bro, imagine if that was really what life was. Like you started off as a single-celled thing and then that died. And the next life, you come back as a multi-celled organism and then that dies.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:06

      Right.

   4. JTJesus Trejo13:06

      And then you work your way through the worm world, the insect world, and the spider world. What if we're at the end of a long process that started, not just biologically started with the- the first single-celled organisms, but like that's a- a graduation that the life form has to go through?

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:25

      I think, I think that would be cool-

   6. JTJesus Trejo13:26

      Sounds dumb 'cause I am, but ... (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:29

      (laughs) I think it would be cool and if people had an idea that that's wh- what was happening, I think people would be a lot more mindful.

   8. JTJesus Trejo13:35

      You'd be like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:35

      'Cause you experienced every level along the way. It would mean something to be at the level that we're at, right?

   10. JTJesus Trejo13:40

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:42

       People wouldn't take life for granted as much because it's like, "Man, I- I have to go through every step of the way to get to here?" You see what I'm saying?

   12. JTJesus Trejo13:48

       Well, and you also run into people that seem like they got a fucked up roll of the dice from the start.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:54

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JTJesus Trejo13:55

       Like almost like even ... Almost like they're starting out life at a deficit from another life, like they owe money on their past life.

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:03

       (laughs) Yeah.

   16. JTJesus Trejo14:03

       Like they fucked their past life up so bad-

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:06

       (laughs)

   18. JTJesus Trejo14:06

       ... they're coming back in this one, they're doing their best but ...

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:09

       You should've paid the tickets off, bro.

   20. JTJesus Trejo14:10

       And then there's other people that believe shit that's even weirder. And all this shit's weird, right? 'Cause here's what's weird, just th- what we know is true. People have sex, they make babies, those babies live to s- be a certain time and then they die.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:21

       Right.

   22. JTJesus Trejo14:21

       And they have sex and they have babies and then we just all keep doing this. But everybody's living like they're living forever.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:25

       Right.

   24. JTJesus Trejo14:26

       Right? That's, that's crazy. Is it so crazy that you do the same life over and over and over again until you get it right? Is that crazy?

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:35

       I don't think it's crazy. It's almost satisfying because it's like, "Oh, I have another shot at doing it right." Because this one wasn't ...

   26. JTJesus Trejo14:41

       Here's what's-

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:41

       ... what I wanted it to be.

   28. JTJesus Trejo14:42

       But doesn't that ... I think that mind fucks you. If you really knew that that was true-

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:48

       (laughs) Right.

   30. JTJesus Trejo14:48

       ... you'd be so mind fucked you would ... I don't know if you'd be able to live in the moment.
6. 17:31 – 21:55

   Instincts, plant networks, and ‘energy’: communication beyond words

   1. JTJesus Trejo17:31

      I- sometimes I feel like you do. You have something. Because we know that, um, like dogs have like serious instincts, man, like crazy instincts that are built in. They all have 'em.

   2. JRJoe Rogan17:41

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JTJesus Trejo17:41

      Like where's that coming from? Where are they getting the information? Why do they know to smell piss?

   4. JRJoe Rogan17:45

      (laughs)

   5. JTJesus Trejo17:45

      Why do they know to pee on the spot that another dog did? Like I didn't have to teach my dog that. They all do it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:50

      Right.

   7. JTJesus Trejo17:50

      Every dog does it. It's like where is that information?

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:52

      Right.

   9. JTJesus Trejo17:53

      What is happening to that dog that it wants to do that and where's it getting th- that from? I think it's getting it through its gene- it's genetics, getting it through its ancestors.

   10. JRJoe Rogan18:00

       The gene pool, yeah.

   11. JTJesus Trejo18:00

       So there's some sort of a memory or programming that the ancestors have left in the thing. It's not a blank slate. Dogs are not blank slates.

   12. JRJoe Rogan18:08

       I mean, they say everything has, you know, some kind of level of- of programming, even plants at the molecular level. They say they have like kind of like a binary code in there if you look deep down inside. I've- I've read stuff online and it's like I- I kinda believe that. It's all part of like some kind of program of some sort.

   13. JTJesus Trejo18:23

       Well, they know plants communicate in- in these-

   14. JRJoe Rogan18:25

       Really?

   15. JTJesus Trejo18:26

       ... really weird ways. Yeah, they use the mycelium. I think that's what it's called. They use essentially fungus-... in the dirt and the, the, the soil that they live in. They, they transmit data from plants to plants and if there's a, a group of plants, in like a community of plants, and one of them needs more resources, like if it needs more water, they'll allocate more water to that plant. It's very weird.

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:49

       Yeah.

   17. JTJesus Trejo18:49

       Weird stuff. They've shown that it really does benefit their growth if you play music near them. Like classical music and talking to plants, like all that wacky hippie shit.

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:59

       No, that's-

   19. JTJesus Trejo19:00

       That shit works.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:00

       I remember there was a-

   21. JTJesus Trejo19:02

       Does it?

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:02

       Like, like-

   23. JTJesus Trejo19:02

       Am I making that up? (laughs) I'm not, right?

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:04

       No, that's real.

   25. JVJamie Vernon19:05

       Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

   26. JTJesus Trejo19:06

       Okay. That seems like one of those ones you-

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:08

       (clears throat)

   28. JTJesus Trejo19:08

       I could get called out on.

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:09

       Like I remember, uh, reading this case study, like it wa- it was in college, but so there was a doctor who had water, right? And, you know, before he froze the water he would ... One, he would say nice things. The next one he would say like really mean, obscene things. And then he would freeze it and then the pattern of which the ice would kind of crystallize, like the one he said mean things to, like the ice would crystallize in a very, uh, dissonant way. Like it, it-

   30. JTJesus Trejo19:34

       Mm-hmm.
7. 21:55 – 24:25

   Dogs, scent detection, and the body’s chemical signals (plus asparagus pee)

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:55

      Yeah. And to bring it full circle, like even dogs, like I, I have a, I have a phobia of dogs, you know? I have a, I have a terrible phobia of dogs. I'm better now but, you know, I got attacked when I was younger, but I can tell you that dogs like they sense it.

   2. JTJesus Trejo22:08

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:08

      And as so ... I've been bit multiple times, unfortunately, and it keeps happening, but it's because of my nervous energy. They g- it, they, they pick it up, you know?

   4. JTJesus Trejo22:15

      That makes sense.

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:16

      It's like, it's like, "Hey, what's up?" And then they're charging at me.

   6. JTJesus Trejo22:18

      They smell cancer. They've taught-

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:21

      Yeah.

   8. JTJesus Trejo22:21

      ... dogs to smell cancer, which is just so crazy. They take cancer-

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:24

      Get COVID.

   10. JTJesus Trejo22:24

       ... they put it in test tubes and the dog will run-

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:26

       Oh, man.

   12. JTJesus Trejo22:26

       ... down the, the aisle with-

   13. JVJamie Vernon22:27

       Which I was gonna say, yeah, they were trying to teach dogs to smell people that had COVID symptoms.

   14. JTJesus Trejo22:31

       Oh, wow. That's-

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:32

       At the airport. He was like, "They could-"

   16. JTJesus Trejo22:33

       How could they do ... Is that possible?

   17. JVJamie Vernon22:35

       It's a nice answer. I don't know.

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:36

       Oh, my God.

   19. JTJesus Trejo22:36

       How COVID-y would you have to be for the dog to smell it? (laughs)

   20. JVJamie Vernon22:40

       I think they were just- they were trying. I don't know if they were successful.

   21. JRJoe Rogan22:42

       Right. (laughs)

   22. JTJesus Trejo22:42

       'Cause doesn't everybody have like a few cancer cells in your body-

   23. JVJamie Vernon22:46

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JTJesus Trejo22:46

       ... breaks down those cancer cells? I think that's the key is that like when you get like really ill with cancer, your body's just not stopping the reproduction of these damaged cells. So I think if, if the dog can smell it, they can always smell it when you got like real cancer, not like what normal people, the amount of cancerous cells people have in them. Like how many cells can they smell?

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:09

       I, I have a theory that, that the dogs like the smell that they're trained to smell, it's like there's something in the sweat. It's like in, in somebody's sweat that, that, that radiates either the smell of ... You know, when somebody's diabetic or when somebody, you know, it's like they have, uh, or high blood pressure, they have these dogs to kind of pick that up, you know?

   26. JTJesus Trejo23:25

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan23:25

       There's a very specific smell to somebody when, when, when they're, you know, diabetic or, in this case, COVID.

   28. JTJesus Trejo23:31

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:31

       You probably exert some kind of smell.

   30. JTJesus Trejo23:34

       Yeah, right? They can tell when people have a diabetic attack, right?
8. 24:25 – 25:21

   Nature is brutal: predators, hyenas, and how humans forget we’re on the menu

   1. JTJesus Trejo24:25

      Well, y- life is fascinating.... you know? It is- it's just like this is what we're peering at life through. We're peering at life through the lens of being a human being. But, uh, all of it is fascinating, man. I get- I go down these r- nature video rabbit holes.

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:39

      Yeah.

   3. JTJesus Trejo24:40

      Usually it's like one of those, uh, nature-is-metal Instagram posts that gets me. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:45

      Oh, that- that- that account is gnarly.

   5. JTJesus Trejo24:48

      Gnarly. (laughs) Dude.

   6. JRJoe Rogan24:49

      You can't watch that before going to bed. I'm- I'm- I'm up-

   7. JTJesus Trejo24:52

      No.

   8. JRJoe Rogan24:52

      ... I'm like, "Oh, boy."

   9. JTJesus Trejo24:53

      (smacks lips) No, I made the mistake of watching these, uh, I think they were wild dogs tear apart this, um, it was like some sort of antelope they had disemboweled.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:01

       Oh, boy.

   11. JTJesus Trejo25:01

       And they were spinning around and p- it was either hyenas or wild dogs, and they were tearing this thing apart while it's alive. And I'm like, (bangs fist on desk) "Whoa, Daddy."

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:09

       Yeah. There was one where I saw that- that- that they were like in- in- in- like, biting the leg, the butt, the- the neck and the- the animal's still fighting for life. And you know?

   13. JTJesus Trejo25:19

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:20

       And the hyenas didn't care. They were like, "Hey."

9. 25:21 – 34:49

   Florida ‘dinosaur’ reality: alligators, crocodiles, invasives, and Monster Soup Everglades

   1. JTJesus Trejo25:21

      They don't give a fuck. They just eat you. They eat you while you're alive. (whistles) Dude, we are so divorced from what nature is. We're so separate from it. We're so, like, so delusional. It's so- it- we're so delusional that people try to get closer to the scarier animals to take pictures with them. Not- (laughs) not-

   2. JRJoe Rogan25:40

      (laughs)

   3. JTJesus Trejo25:40

      ... not thinking that they're on the menu. Big-ass giant bears and that lady in, uh, was it South Carolina that got eaten by the alligator? She was trying to take a selfie with the alligator.

   4. JRJoe Rogan25:50

      Oh, no. Oh, man.

   5. JTJesus Trejo25:52

      Yeah, she was trying to get close to the alligator and he just fucking ate her. It's like, "What?"

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:55

      Years ago, do you remember this story where this woman was in, uh, like they were doing a safari and she got out of the van because there was some argument?

   7. JTJesus Trejo26:02

      Yes. Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan26:02

      And- and- and the- the lion or- or tiger-

   9. JTJesus Trejo26:04

      Tiger, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan26:05

       ... was, I mean, waiting.

   11. JTJesus Trejo26:06

       That was in- that was in China. She- she got mad. I believe it was in China. She got mad, stepped out of her car and was yelling and then someone goes- gets out of the car to talk to her like, "Come on, get back in the car." And then this fucking tiger comes up, just snatches her and drags her away.

   12. JRJoe Rogan26:22

       (sucks teeth)

   13. JTJesus Trejo26:22

       And what was fucked up is it wasn't even her that died. It was actually her mom that died.

   14. JRJoe Rogan26:25

       The grand... Yeah.

   15. JTJesus Trejo26:26

       Her mom went after her with the tiger, then the tiger killed her.

   16. JRJoe Rogan26:31

       Oh, so the-

   17. JTJesus Trejo26:32

       And the first girl got away.

   18. JRJoe Rogan26:32

       ... first pr- oh, the first girl got away and then-

   19. JTJesus Trejo26:34

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan26:34

       Oh my God.

   21. JTJesus Trejo26:36

       Yeah. I think she was just in an argument with somebody. She's-

   22. JRJoe Rogan26:39

       Yeah, and it's like for- for the tiger, it's- it's like a- like a Hot Pocket. As soon as the doors open, ding, done.

   23. JTJesus Trejo26:44

       Yeah, they- they can't help themselves. This is my number one problem with the zoo. You- you- (sighs) you can't just feed them 'cause they don't want that. They wanna kill things.

   24. JRJoe Rogan26:56

       Right.

   25. JTJesus Trejo26:56

       So you've turned them into couch potatoes, you know? And that's- they're- they're gonna live and they're gonna die and you're gonna feed them meat, which means that animals have to die. If you want to not be cruel, you should have those animals kill animals. That's what it should be.

   26. JRJoe Rogan27:11

       Right.

   27. JTJesus Trejo27:11

       It should be like they are in the wild or as close to it as it can get. And you can't just feed them meat on a tray and expect them to be happy. That shit's boring.

   28. JRJoe Rogan27:20

       Yeah, psychologically they- they- they lose something, right? It's like they-

   29. JTJesus Trejo27:24

       Man.

   30. JRJoe Rogan27:24

       ... they get depressed. It's like it- it's a, what is it? A mammal instinct to work for something and-
10. 34:49 – 39:42

    Exotic animals in human spaces: cartel tigers, Tyson’s pets, pigeons, and NYC rat wars

    1. JTJesus Trejo34:49

       Did you see the video from Mexico of, uh, the cartel guy had a l- a tiger and the tiger got loose?

    2. JRJoe Rogan34:55

       No.

    3. JTJesus Trejo34:55

       And these dudes are chasing the tiger down the street? It's like, they're chasing them around-

    4. JRJoe Rogan35:00

       Really?

    5. JTJesus Trejo35:00

       Yes. They're on this road with a lasso, these fucking Mexican cowboy dudes-

    6. JRJoe Rogan35:04

       No way.

    7. JTJesus Trejo35:05

       Yeah, man. And they're- they're trying to lasso this tiger.

    8. JRJoe Rogan35:08

       What?

    9. JTJesus Trejo35:08

       What? Yeah, they got a tiger and they lassoed it.

    10. JRJoe Rogan35:11

        And the- and ... Psh.

    11. JVJamie Vernon35:12

        Bro.

    12. JRJoe Rogan35:12

        See, a- again, if- if the tiger gets upset and just decides to jump on one of them, it's game over.

    13. JTJesus Trejo35:17

        It's game over. The- look at it. Look at homeboy.

    14. JRJoe Rogan35:20

        This recently happened?

    15. JTJesus Trejo35:21

        Yes, man. It happened last week.

    16. JRJoe Rogan35:23

        Oh my God.

    17. JTJesus Trejo35:24

        Like, last- last week-ish.

    18. JVJamie Vernon35:25

        Yeah, it was going around on Twitter.

    19. JTJesus Trejo35:26

        So, look. (laughs)

    20. JRJoe Rogan35:27

        One guy with a chair and shorts, yeah.

    21. JTJesus Trejo35:29

        This fucking tiger is just-

    22. JRJoe Rogan35:30

        He showed up to work.

    23. JTJesus Trejo35:30

        ... wandering around and look at these cowboys.

    24. JRJoe Rogan35:32

        Oh my goodness. Look at-

    25. JTJesus Trejo35:33

        This guy's got a chair in front of him.

    26. JRJoe Rogan35:34

        (laughs)

    27. JTJesus Trejo35:34

        You think that's gonna help you, bitch? Oh my God, look at the size of that thing. Look, he lassoed it. Bro-

    28. JRJoe Rogan35:39

        (laughs)

    29. JTJesus Trejo35:39

        ... those fucking cowboys are badass.

    30. JRJoe Rogan35:41

        He gets pulled.
11. 39:42 – 45:49

    Lockdowns and social tension: business collapse, reopening debates, and ‘snitch rewards’

    1. JRJoe Rogan39:42

       Yeah, I- I went to Downtown LA. Um, I've, I've been going to Downtown LA and it's like all the santeellies and all that, it's, it's gone. People cannot sustain the, the, you know, the close-down. You know, they don't have money to pay for-

    2. JTJesus Trejo39:55

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan39:55

       ... the leases and the rents. It's, it's a ghost town down there.

    4. JTJesus Trejo39:58

       It's crazy, yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan39:58

       And some people have opened up shops. I've noticed that they opened up shops, but a lot of them, they're not opening again. It's scary. Like, there's no traffic. I can get from where I live to Downtown LA in, like, 20 minutes. That's unheard of.

    6. JTJesus Trejo40:11

       Well, it's gonna be real weird to see what happens when they (powering down sound effect) turn it back on again (powering up sound effect) .

    7. JRJoe Rogan40:16

       Right.

    8. JTJesus Trejo40:17

       And society goes back... How long is gonna take for us to even out? 'Cause it's gonna be a rocky restart. It's gonna be rocky.

    9. JRJoe Rogan40:24

       Yeah, there's gonna be some warm up. You know, it's, it, it's gonna... Yeah.

    10. JTJesus Trejo40:28

        Dude, I saw an article that were saying people are criticizing Governor Newsom for opening up too soon. I'm like, "Stay home. Stay home."

    11. JRJoe Rogan40:38

        Yeah.

    12. JTJesus Trejo40:38

        "Don't tell everybody to stay home. You stay home."

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:40

        Right.

    14. JTJesus Trejo40:40

        "You stay home. Enough. We can't just stay home forever." This is not a, a valid strategy for dealing with a virus. This is not how it works. There's all this talk.

    15. JRJoe Rogan40:48

        Mm-hmm.

    16. JTJesus Trejo40:49

        All this talk, like, uh, uh, as if e- e- anyone has the correct answer.

    17. JRJoe Rogan40:55

        It is sad. I mean, you know, we were talking about it earlier that, you know, all these businesses are gonna go under, like the, you know, you know, childcare and barbershops and stuff like that. It's like... Gyms.

    18. JTJesus Trejo41:07

        And, and they didn't do anything wrong.

    19. JRJoe Rogan41:08

        They didn't. They did everything right. And, you know, yeah.

    20. JTJesus Trejo41:11

        I don't know. Maybe in hindsight it's gonna turn out that it was the right thing to do and that it stopped the spread of the virus, and even though there was some flare-ups here and there, it made people more aware and the virus eventually goes away. Maybe it's possible.

    21. JRJoe Rogan41:22

        But even if it's not the right thing to do, I think people are just, you know, doing it out of caution because we don't know what it is.

    22. JTJesus Trejo41:27

        But it's not the only strategy. There was other strategies that could be employed, and they, they could've made people more cognizant in protecting themselves. It would've really greatly slowed the risk of transmission, and I think you could've let people stay working.

    23. JRJoe Rogan41:41

        Mm-hmm.

    24. JTJesus Trejo41:41

        When you tell people they can't work, th-... I don't, I don't like that. You know, and I don't like that not just because it's unconstitutional. I don't like that because I don't like people telling people what to do. And I don't like that because I don't like one person being in charge of figuring out what's right or wrong – and I don't know if it's one person or 100 people – but what's right or wrong for an entire state of 40 million people to do.

    25. JRJoe Rogan42:03

        Right.

    26. JTJesus Trejo42:04

        And to make up the m- the mind for them based on what? Based on just 'cause you got voted into office?

    27. JRJoe Rogan42:09

        Right.

    28. JTJesus Trejo42:10

        That doesn't make any sense to me. You should be dealing with, like, legitimate problems, not controlling the population through some Orwellian mandate where you just d- deem it that everyone has to stay home, then you even offer rewards for people in LA. The mayor was offering rewards-

    29. JRJoe Rogan42:26

        Mm-hmm.

    30. JTJesus Trejo42:26

        ... for people turning people in who weren't social distancing.
12. 45:49 – 1:15:00

    George Floyd, policing, and reform: training, accountability, and a ‘good cop’ perspective

    1. JTJesus Trejo45:49

       Dude, the shit that's going down in Minneapolis is crazy.

    2. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       Crazy, man.

    3. JTJesus Trejo45:52

       Crazy.

    4. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       You see the, the video, the looting stuff and-

    5. JTJesus Trejo45:55

       The video of the looting is crazy, but the video of the guy-

    6. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       Of the guy.

    7. JTJesus Trejo45:57

       ... with his shin on that man's neck-

    8. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       (exhales)

    9. JTJesus Trejo46:00

       ... while the guy is begging for his life, telling-

    10. JRJoe Rogan46:03

        Goosebumps. Like, it, it's so heartbreaking 'cause he's, he, he's trying. And, and even as he's talking, he's like, "Officer, I can't breathe." Like, he's-

    11. JTJesus Trejo46:11

        But he's... That guy's gotta have some sort of physical training, right? He's gotta have... I mean, cops, do they teach them jujitsu?

    12. JRJoe Rogan46:18

        Um, some. I mean, uh, I, I'm... I mean, but, it's like to put the kn- I, I don't know that an- any law enforcement is, is teaches knee on the neck.

    13. JTJesus Trejo46:27

        No, no, no, that's-

    14. JRJoe Rogan46:28

        I mean, that's a thing.

    15. JTJesus Trejo46:28

        That's what I was gonna say. It's like, it's a shitty thing to do. Like, if you did that in jujitsu class, people would be really mad at you.

    16. JRJoe Rogan46:34

        Right.

    17. JTJesus Trejo46:34

        They'd be like, "Hey, man, fuck you. Get off my neck." You know? Like, this is, you, you're in the, the position he was in, too. Handcuffed on the street. Wo- So you have one really hard surface where your neck is pressed on the bottom and then him on the top, coming down with his shin. That cuts off all blood to the brain, it cuts off your ability to breathe.

    18. JRJoe Rogan46:55

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JTJesus Trejo46:56

        Like, he's gotta know that. Everybody knows that. If he's got any training at all, he knew what he was doing.

    20. JRJoe Rogan47:00

        Yeah.

    21. JTJesus Trejo47:00

        Which is so fucked up. He was killing that guy in front of everybody with a camera on him. Like, that's what's crazy about it.

    22. JRJoe Rogan47:07

        Mm-hmm.

    23. JTJesus Trejo47:07

        Like, he, he was just doing it right in front of everybody.

    24. JRJoe Rogan47:11

        Yeah.

    25. JTJesus Trejo47:12

        And you would think, after all these that have been filmed, all these have ha-... Like, there's some sort of education to stop this. There's some sort of intervention, there's some sort of psychological examinations they give people to stop them from getting to the point where they can't separate themselves-

    26. JRJoe Rogan47:29

        Yeah.

    27. JTJesus Trejo47:29

        ... from... As a per- You know? 'Cause he's killing a man. Whatever, whatever happened, I don't know if... Did they... There was a physical thing? Was there, was there a resisting arrest? I don't even know what happened.

    28. JRJoe Rogan47:39

        No, I don't know what, what happened leading up to it. And I know there was more officers there eventually, right?

    29. JTJesus Trejo47:45

        (sighs)

    30. JRJoe Rogan47:45

        But it's like, to-

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