The Joe Rogan Experience

Joe Rogan Experience #1486 - Honey Honey

Honey Honey is a band, featuring members Suzanne Santo and Ben Jaffe, from Los Angeles, CA. @honeyhoneyband

Joe RoganhostSuzanne SantoguestBen JaffeguestWim Hofguest

Jun 4, 20204h 44mWatch on YouTube ↗

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Joe Rogan Reunites HoneyHoney: Music, Mushrooms, And Modern Mayhem

Joe Rogan hosts musicians Suzanne Santo and Ben Jaffe of HoneyHoney for a loose, four‑plus hour hang that mixes emotional band reunion, live performances, and rambling cultural commentary.
They talk candidly about repairing their friendship during COVID, choosing not to have kids, body image and modeling, psychedelics, and the pressures of modern life and social media.
The conversation dives into police brutality, George Floyd, racism, historical atrocities against Native Americans, and how trauma reshapes both communities and cops.
Between serious stretches, they veer into comedy, weed and whiskey, Wim Hof breathing, archery, photography, and close the show with intimate live renditions of “Angel From Montgomery,” “Big Man,” “Whatcha Gonna Do Now,” and “Angel of Death.”

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Serious friendships can survive long breaks if both people do inner work.

Suzanne and Ben admit to spending two years barely speaking, but reconciling during COVID after fear for each other’s health forced them to reevaluate their grudges and prioritize love and collaboration.

Not wanting children is a valid choice, not a moral failure.

They push back on social pressure that parenthood is required for a meaningful life, arguing you can contribute through art, loving other people’s kids, and living authentically.

Grudges and unspoken resentment erode connection; talking it out is essential.

Rogan and HoneyHoney repeatedly return to the idea that stepping back, then having uncomfortable, honest conversations, is the only way to clear long‑standing emotional debris in relationships.

Policing problems are both about racism and unmanaged trauma in officers.

They condemn the killing of George Floyd and other brutality, while also citing research on sleep disorders, PTSD, and chronic exposure to violence among police, arguing reform must address screening, training, and psychological care.

Historical context matters: today’s racial inequities are rooted in recent, deliberate policy.

Stories about redlining, the Osage murders in *Killers of the Flower Moon*, slavery being only ~150 years ago, and Native American dispossession illustrate that current disparities were engineered and not accidental.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Friendship and love, that's the best shit. Whatever you do, talk it out and don't carry grudges.

— Joe Rogan

If you ever felt that for someone at one point in time, you probably would feel it again. You just gotta talk it out.

— Joe Rogan

For all intents and purposes, when you have this capacity to grow from horrible things, you have the capacity for wisdom and also comedy.

— Suzanne Santo

We have to be careful of bad players. When people have power over people, even if it's just psychic power, they abuse it.

— Joe Rogan

We are in a digital age of self‑obsession and narcissism. Kids don't play outside anymore; our instincts have been muted.

— Suzanne Santo

HoneyHoney’s breakup, personal growth, and getting the band back together during COVIDFriendship, grudges, and repairing relationships after long estrangementsParenthood, life choices, aging, body image, and the modeling industryPolice brutality, George Floyd, racism, and mental health in law enforcementHistorical injustices: Native American exploitation, slavery, and structural racismPsychedelics, breathing practices, anxiety, and coping with modern stressArt, music, and comedy as responses to suffering and chaos

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