Joe Rogan Experience #1490 - Jimmy O Yang

Joe Rogan 0:00 Um, hey, what's up, brother? How are you?

Jimmy O. Yang 0:02 What's up, Joe?

Joe Rogan 0:03 Good to see you.

Jimmy O. Yang 0:03 It's great seeing you. It's great seeing a fellow comedian that I, I don't think I've been inside a comedy club or seen any comedians for two months now.

Joe Rogan 0:10 It's weird. It's like they're trying to get it out of our system, like they're trying to, like, uh, like, if we were junkies, if we were comedy junkies, we've gone through a rehab. Y- you have to live like a regular person for months.

Jimmy O. Yang 0:20 It's tough. I mean, I've gotten past the phase of, like... 'Cause back in the day, if I didn't do standup for a week, I would get depressed.

Joe Rogan 0:27 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 0:27 'Cause there's nothing else going on i- in my life. But now, I got other stuff going. I can do writing, whatever. But I feel bad for, like, the road guys. And, and-

Joe Rogan 0:35 Oh, yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 0:36 ... and the open mic'ers that just coming up.

Joe Rogan 0:38 Oh, yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 0:39 And I'm sure you've gotten this. Are a lot of people inviting you to do virtual, virtual standup comedy shows on Zoom?

Joe Rogan 0:46 Yeah, they can eat shit.

Jimmy O. Yang 0:47 Th- that is the worst idea on the fucking planet.

Joe Rogan 0:50 Bro, even great comics look terrible on those.

Jimmy O. Yang 0:54 And, and they can record you forever.

Joe Rogan 0:56 Exactly, exactly. And record you looking terrible, bombing. Just, it's just not the right place. It's like, uh, let's play basketball underwater.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:05 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05 No, that doesn't work.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:07 But that shows you how desperate people are.

Joe Rogan 1:09 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:10 I- they would put their whole material on the line, uh, to do virtual, no real people audience, just to get their rocks off.

Joe Rogan 1:18 Dave Chappelle's got a very unique solution. He's doing some shit in his backyard. He sent me... Well, not his backyard. His friend has a wedding pavilion.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:26 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 1:26 So, he set up this thing at a wedding pavilion. All of it is, uh, COVID-safe. Look at that. That's Dave on stage in Ohio at a wedding pavilion. (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 1:38 Oh, wow, dude. That's awesome.

Joe Rogan 1:40 So, that, that's be where people would get married, and Dave's up there doing standup.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:44 Yeah. Well, he's so good, he doesn't need, like, um, a low ceiling-

Joe Rogan 1:48 No.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:48 ... you know, packed seats.

Joe Rogan 1:50 He just needs a crowd. And, you know, he also, I think, he's just, he's a, he just figured out how to improvise. He's like, "There's gotta be a way to get around this. I'm going crazy."

Jimmy O. Yang 1:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:00 "There's gotta be a way." And doing it outside, separating everybody, following all the COVID requirements. The governor actually had to approve this.

Jimmy O. Yang 2:08 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 2:08 Yeah, yeah. He's in Ohio. So, the governor of Ohio approved all this.

Jimmy O. Yang 2:11 When did this happen? Like, recently?

Joe Rogan 2:12 He's just doing it. He just started doing it. He, he texted me a couple days ago saying it was gonna take like four days to work the kinks out. "We're making history over here, Joe Rogan." (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 2:22 (laughs) yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:22 And then, you know, next thing you know, he's off and running.

Jimmy O. Yang 2:25 This... I mean, comedy clubs probably gotta be the last thing to open up, right? Sadly.

Joe Rogan 2:29 No, not the last thing. I think like Staples Center, shit like that-

Jimmy O. Yang 2:32 Sure, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:32 ... arenas, big places. That's gonna be the last thing. Um, restaurants are slowly starting to... There it is. Boom.

Narrator 2:39 Damn it.

Joe Rogan 2:39 What is this? Brooklyn Vegan? Ew.

Narrator 2:42 It's just what I found.

Jimmy O. Yang 2:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:43 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 2:45 A very reputable site.

Narrator 2:46 Don't shoot the messenger. Don't shoot the messenger. Just getting information.

Joe Rogan 2:48 I understand. I understand. It's just like, boy, is that fraught with peril. (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 2:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:54 People that are really into being from Brooklyn and people that are really into telling you they're a vegan, together at last.

Jimmy O. Yang 2:59 Speaking of improvisation, I, I'm always very jealous. 'Cause I think, uh, my buddy Ben Schwartz and, uh, Thomas Middleditch, they did, uh, improvising show on Netflix, right?

Joe Rogan 3:09 Mm.

Jimmy O. Yang 3:10 And that is, like, the ultimate hack to people like us that take... Like, my first special took me 10 years. And now these guys can crank out five in a day-

Joe Rogan 3:18 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 3:18 ... 'cause it's improvised.

Joe Rogan 3:20 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 3:20 And I'm like, "What are we doing here?"

Joe Rogan 3:22 (laughs) Well, I remember the first time I saw you was at the Improv.

Jimmy O. Yang 3:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:25 I saw you kill in that little tiny room of death. Tha- that lab is death. Everybody eats shit in that lab.

Jimmy O. Yang 3:32 That is the worst. Ev- ever since they remodeled it-

Joe Rogan 3:34 It's terrible.

Jimmy O. Yang 3:34 ... that la-... Half the room is a bar-

Joe Rogan 3:37 Yes.

Jimmy O. Yang 3:37 ... and then there's pillars in, in the front of the stage.

Joe Rogan 3:40 And right next to you is where the door is.

Jimmy O. Yang 3:43 Oh.

Joe Rogan 3:43 So, people are coming in the door. There's all this chitchat and talking-

Jimmy O. Yang 3:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:46 ... and buying tickets. It's right there. But you were killing. And I was like, "Damn, this dude's legit funny."

Jimmy O. Yang 3:51 Oh, thanks, man.

Joe Rogan 3:51 'Cause you have to be legit funny-

Jimmy O. Yang 3:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:53 ... to kill in that bizarre envi-... I've seen a l-... I ate shit in that room. I've seen a lot of people eat shit in that room.

Jimmy O. Yang 3:58 It, it, it's a tough room. And sometimes, um, you, you wanna start in that small room and then do another set in the big room, so you go home happy.

Joe Rogan 4:04 I did the wrong way.

Jimmy O. Yang 4:05 Oh, that is the worst feeling.

Joe Rogan 4:07 I murdered in the big room, then I came to the little room and it was like 10 people in there and I ate shit. (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 4:10 Yeah. (laughs) And then your first set, you, you're completely forgotten.

Joe Rogan 4:13 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 4:14 And then you're just like, "Well, I'm a piece of shit."

Joe Rogan 4:15 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 4:15 "And I can't do standup."

Joe Rogan 4:16 Not only that, I strolled in cocky 'cause I just killed. I'm like, "I know how to kill."

Jimmy O. Yang 4:20 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:20 "Come on, I'm a fucking professional here." Went up and then bombed. Yeah, it's a, it's just a terrible setup. They know it, though. They've remodeled that Improv more than any other fucking club I've ever even heard of.

Jimmy O. Yang 4:31 Why? The old setup was fine.

Joe Rogan 4:33 They don't listen. They just, they just say, "I got an idea." And then everybody goes, "Okay, great." So, like, they put a new green room that you have to duck to get into. Have you seen that new green room that's upstairs that no one's ever gonna use, ever?

Jimmy O. Yang 4:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:44 And then you go down the stairs from that new green room and it takes you right to where the stage is?

Jimmy O. Yang 4:48 Wait, the, the one with the piano and stuff? Where-

Joe Rogan 4:52 No, that's the other green room.

Jimmy O. Yang 4:53 Okay. No, I haven't seen the other one.

Joe Rogan 4:54 There's two fucking green rooms.

Jimmy O. Yang 4:55 Huh.

Joe Rogan 4:55 It's the dumbest setup of all time. The main room is a great room, though.

Jimmy O. Yang 4:59 Great room.

Joe Rogan 4:59 It's a v-... It, like, it's one of the all-time classic rooms. They haven't fucked that up.

Jimmy O. Yang 5:04 I still think the Improv, in LA, it's my favorite place.

Joe Rogan 5:07 It's a great place.

Jimmy O. Yang 5:07 Yeah. And, and they show me love, like, early on, you know?

Joe Rogan 5:10 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy O. Yang 5:10 It's really... Like, Paige has been great. Rita's been great, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:13 Paige and Rita are awesome.

Jimmy O. Yang 5:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:14 They're, they're the salt of the earth, both those people.

Jimmy O. Yang 5:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:17 They're... It's a nice environment. It just was weird that you had to kinda wait in the hallway before you go on stage, and so you kinda got molested by weirdos who'd come out and ask you questions and shit while you're trying to get your head together.

Jimmy O. Yang 5:27 Yes. Well, sometimes, as a single guy, that's actually, that might be the good move, though.

Joe Rogan 5:32 Oh, yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 5:32 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 5:33 Good spot.

Jimmy O. Yang 5:33 Laugh Factory, you do your set, you get the fuck out.

Joe Rogan 5:35 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 5:35 You don't get to meet nobody, you know?

Joe Rogan 5:37 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 5:37 Improv, you do your set, you hang out at the bar.

Joe Rogan 5:40 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 5:40 And then, you know, some girls come talk to you.

Joe Rogan 5:43 It's like a head lift, ladies. Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 5:43 Like, you know, you have to swim through some weirdos, but-

Joe Rogan 5:45 You do have to swim through weirdos.

Jimmy O. Yang 5:47 ... it's fine.

Joe Rogan 5:47 And some dudes will just wedge themselves between you and a girl, too, right? If you were trying to chitchat with a lady?

Jimmy O. Yang 5:53 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 5:53 They'd go, "Hey, Jimmy. Hi, Jimmy, you were really funny. I gotta talk to you about something. I'm f-... I'm starting a virtual comedy club, and I'd love to have you be a part of it."

Jimmy O. Yang 6:01 There has been a lot of pitches that I inadvertently said yes to 'cause I was half-drunk at the bar.

Joe Rogan 6:05 Oh, no.

Jimmy O. Yang 6:06 It's like, "Hey, man, let me tell you about this show in, uh, uh, Silver Lake. It's kinda near Echo Park, but really it's in Boyle Heights. But, uh-"

Joe Rogan 6:12 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 6:12 "... great open mic, man. You know, Jamie Kennedy's done it. You gotta come do it."

Joe Rogan 6:16 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 6:16 I was like, "Um, sure. Why don't you, uh, send me an email?" And the next email-... I, I get. I completely forgot about the interaction. Next email I get he's like, "So, uh, I got you on the show May 15th, man. So, uh, are you good? Uh, you gonna do 15?" And I'm like, "W- w- well-"

Joe Rogan 6:31 I'm outta town.

Jimmy O. Yang 6:32 Well, I can't say that 'cause I- I'm like-

Joe Rogan 6:34 Yeah, you can.

Jimmy O. Yang 6:34 ... "Did I, did I-

Joe Rogan 6:35 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 6:35 ... agree to this?"

Joe Rogan 6:37 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 6:37 'Cause I don't remember. I was drunk. So I was like, "Sure. (laughs) I'll come." And I get suckered into these terrible things.

Joe Rogan 6:43 Yeah. You gotta know how to say no. It's very important.

Jimmy O. Yang 6:46 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:46 It's very important.

Jimmy O. Yang 6:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:47 Well, th- that's the thing about, like, the open mic community. There's always some dude who's got some kind of a bringer show that they're putting something together and it's always ... it's ... usually it's okay. It's good at seasoning. You get on stage, you do a little set. Y- you know, at any, any stage of the game, it's always good to get on stage in weird crowds.

Jimmy O. Yang 7:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:04 But the problem with a lot of those shows is you'll go on after, like, two or three people that are death.

Jimmy O. Yang 7:10 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:11 There is no comedy left in life, and you'll be convinced that nothing is funny. It's impossible to be funny.

Jimmy O. Yang 7:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:17 Do you know what I'm saying? Like, you see someone-

Jimmy O. Yang 7:18 Yes.

Joe Rogan 7:18 ... really, really, really bad and you ... like, there's nothing to comedy. Com- comedy doesn't work.

Jimmy O. Yang 7:23 'Cause there's so many, I guess, (sighs) approach to this, right? Like, I think there's one that's, like, right ... you know, you don't wanna follow someone that's too strong. Like, if, if I go on stage after Chappelle, kind of fucked, you know?

Joe Rogan 7:34 He's both strong and super famous.

Jimmy O. Yang 7:37 Yes.

Joe Rogan 7:37 It's a double hammer. (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 7:38 Yeah. Like, people will be leaving-

Joe Rogan 7:40 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 7:40 ... you know, the store or whatever.

Joe Rogan 7:41 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 7:42 But also, there's a ... the other side of it, it's you want to ride a wave.

Joe Rogan 7:46 Yes.

Jimmy O. Yang 7:46 If somebody that's doing well, you wanna go in there and ride that wave. But then the opposite of it is if somebody is bad, you can go on, you can kill it, and then the crowd believes in you. But if somebody is too terrible, then it's dead. Like, you have to ... you spend your first five minutes just doing crowd work.

Joe Rogan 8:04 One of the signs of a terrible headliner is when they bring really bad openers-

Jimmy O. Yang 8:09 Yes.

Joe Rogan 8:09 ... just so that they look really good.

Jimmy O. Yang 8:11 Yes.

Joe Rogan 8:11 They don't want anybody stealing any of their thunder, so they bring, like, just complete scrubs.

Jimmy O. Yang 8:15 That fucks me up though.

Joe Rogan 8:17 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy O. Yang 8:17 You know?

Joe Rogan 8:18 Yeah. Me too.

Jimmy O. Yang 8:18 I ... for me, my opener is more about energy. I want somebody's energy that matches my level-

Joe Rogan 8:24 Mm.

Jimmy O. Yang 8:24 ... but is funny. Or somebody that's kind of lower energy, but really smart and good.

Joe Rogan 8:29 Mm.

Jimmy O. Yang 8:30 'Cause if you have somebody that goes super big, that, that's kind of hard for me to do an hour of that same energy. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 8:36 You know what the worst is?

Jimmy O. Yang 8:37 Huh?

Joe Rogan 8:37 The guy before he does music.

Jimmy O. Yang 8:38 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 8:40 (laughs) You know that shit where they, they start doing songs? They have songs for shit. Oh, my god.

Jimmy O. Yang 8:46 I never cared about an opening song. You know the DJ when you go on the road, they're like-

Joe Rogan 8:50 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy O. Yang 8:50 ... "Hey, what song you wanna come up to?" I'm like, "Whatever. Just play some top 40 hip hop." Doesn't matter, right? But then one of my openers, uh, has a very specific Trick Daddy song. I gotta shout out to my boy, Derek Keener. Hilarious guy, right? Uh, he has a very energetic Trick Daddy song, and that bit kills. And it's kind of dirty and it's cool. And now I'm like, "Shit, I gotta step my game up."

Joe Rogan 9:10 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 9:11 'Cause if my opener is going up with a killer song and I walk up the stage with nothing-

Joe Rogan 9:17 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 9:17 ... you know, it just doesn't seem right.

Joe Rogan 9:19 In the early 2000s and the ... the late 90s, early 2000s, a lot of guys would have funny raps, and they would close with a rap.

Jimmy O. Yang 9:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:27 Like a, a rap parody, a hilarious rap. So things rhyme. They're loud. There's a lot of gesturing and they're like, "Thank you. Goodnight. Rah!"

Jimmy O. Yang 9:37 Oh, god.

Joe Rogan 9:38 And then you'd have to go up, "So, uh, talked to my mom today."

Jimmy O. Yang 9:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:43 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 9:43 It's ... I remember, um, I used to do a bunch of, like, urban clubs and, uh, J-Spot. You remember J-Spot?

Joe Rogan 9:49 Isn't that a funny name, Urban?

Jimmy O. Yang 9:51 Urban. Well-

Joe Rogan 9:52 All, all clubs urban.

Jimmy O. Yang 9:53 ... I guess ... should I say black club or should I just say-

Joe Rogan 9:55 Yeah. It's a bl- ... I guess it's a black club.

Jimmy O. Yang 9:56 I g- uh, urban may be more offensive. I, I don't know. But they, th- they call themselves urban clubs, though.

Joe Rogan 10:00 I know. But isn't that weird?

Jimmy O. Yang 10:02 That is weird.

Joe Rogan 10:02 Why urban?

Jimmy O. Yang 10:03 It's a code word for black, right? Like, urban?

Joe Rogan 10:05 It's a weird code because it also means a city. Like, all clubs are in cities. When the fuck was y- ... you ever done a club in the woods?

Jimmy O. Yang 10:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:12 Right?

Jimmy O. Yang 10:13 Well-

Joe Rogan 10:13 Clubs aren't rural.

Jimmy O. Yang 10:14 It, it's l-

Joe Rogan 10:15 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 10:15 ... the word urban and inner city for some reason.

Joe Rogan 10:18 Huh.

Jimmy O. Yang 10:18 Like, right? It, isn't that kind of the same thing?

Joe Rogan 10:20 But I mean, like, there's urban clubs in LA that are just downtown.

Jimmy O. Yang 10:24 Mm.

Joe Rogan 10:25 Right? Isn't that that one ... what is that one club?

Jimmy O. Yang 10:28 Um, Garrett Morris' club back in the day?

Joe Rogan 10:32 No, there's a club downtown that's, uh, a black club that's supposed to be real good.

Jimmy O. Yang 10:37 Ah, I don't remember.

Joe Rogan 10:38 But I mean, just the, the term urban is just very weird.

Jimmy O. Yang 10:41 I remember, um ... so when I did the J-Spot ... I, I don't know if it's still there. The J-Spot, it's, uh, opened by Jay Anthony Brown. I was pretty ... very green, you know? And, uh, it was on top of a Yoshinoya, but it's a popping club, right? And I remember the DJ come up to me. Uh, my set was, like, 15 minutes. He was like, "You got any music cues?" I was like, "No. Just play whatever." He was like, "Are you sure?" I was like, "Yeah. No, I don't have any music." He was like, "You don't, you don't want me to play anything in your set?" I was like, "No. Why would you do that?"

Joe Rogan 11:09 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 11:09 And then I realized ... I watch all the other comics. Everybody had, like, five music skits and the crowd loved it and they were killing it, and then I went up, was just trying to do my observational humor and just ate shit, you know?

Joe Rogan 11:22 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 11:22 'Cause it's just ... if everybody's doing it and you're not, like, you're at a complete disadvantage.

Joe Rogan 11:26 Yeah. There's a famous, uh, story about Mitch Hedberg. Mitch Hedberg was on the road in Ohio, and he was doing this club. And, um, for whatever reason, the manager of the club decided to book this guy who was, like, super high energy and he had music and I, I think he did, like, acro- acrobatics on stage and shit, like crazy stuff, and-

Jimmy O. Yang 11:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:47 ... got everybody riled up. And then Mitch would go on there, "Hey, man."

Jimmy O. Yang 11:52 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:52 And everything was like ... and he was bombing and they wanted to switch Mitch with him and pay him less money and it was like this-

Jimmy O. Yang 11:58 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 11:59 ... big fucking deal. It's like, no, man. You fucked up. I mean, it's not like Mitch isn't great.

Jimmy O. Yang 12:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:04 You, you ... do you run a comedy club? Well, you know who Mitch Hedberg is.

Jimmy O. Yang 12:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:08 You know he's great.

Jimmy O. Yang 12:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:09 Why are you having a guy who does backflips-

Jimmy O. Yang 12:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:11 ... to fucking bass beats before him? You can't do that.

Jimmy O. Yang 12:14 You ever do the comedy magic club?

Joe Rogan 12:16 Sure.

Jimmy O. Yang 12:16 One of my favorite clubs. You know, they have 10 comedians on there, but sometimes you gotta follow a magician or a juggler.

Joe Rogan 12:22 Yes. Yes.

Jimmy O. Yang 12:22 You know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:23 I t- I stopped doing that there. I said listen. We had a bunch of issues there. One issue is they would not let me bring up Joey Diaz.

Jimmy O. Yang 12:30 Oh, why is it ... oh, 'cause he's, he's not clean?

Joe Rogan 12:31 He's too dirty.

Jimmy O. Yang 12:32 Okay. Oh, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:32 But I'm dirty too, but I'm d- Right. ... like, uh, whatever. For whatever reason, I can get away with it for him. So I, I love the guy to death. Uh, Mike is the best, but-

Jimmy O. Yang 12:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:42 ... he wouldn't let Joey go up because, "I love him but he's just not f- my crowd is just this and that." I'm like, "Your crowd is people. They're humans. They come to see me."

Narrator 12:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:49 "Trust me."

Jimmy O. Yang 12:49 It is a different crowd and I do kinda like it because if you just run your set at the Improv or Fa- the Factory, whatever, right, uh, it, and then you take it on the road, sometimes it doesn't translate. But the, the Comedy Magic crowd is like almost like a Midwest white crowd, which is nice.

Joe Rogan 13:07 They're the opposite of urban. (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 13:09 Yes. (laughs) What, what is that?

Joe Rogan 13:10 This should be a code word for a white crowd.

Jimmy O. Yang 13:12 Suburb, like suburban crowd?

Joe Rogan 13:14 Um-

Jimmy O. Yang 13:14 Um-

Joe Rogan 13:15 They're like gated beach community crowd.

Jimmy O. Yang 13:19 Y- yeah. Uh, the one percenter crowd.

Joe Rogan 13:21 Older too.

Jimmy O. Yang 13:22 Oh, oh.

Joe Rogan 13:22 They're like Jay Leno fans.

Jimmy O. Yang 13:24 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:25 'Cause Jay Leno used to work out his Tonight Show set every Sunday night there.

Jimmy O. Yang 13:28 Hm.

Joe Rogan 13:29 That was his thing. He used to go there and he had all th- all his monologue shit and he would work it out at the Comedy and Magic Club on Sunday night.

Jimmy O. Yang 13:35 Yeah. They're definitely... I mean, it really helped me 'cause R- Richard and Mike gave me a lot of stage time coming up and, uh-

Joe Rogan 13:42 They're great folks.

Jimmy O. Yang 13:43 They're really nice. And the club is ran so n- they actually care about the comics. Like-

Joe Rogan 13:47 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy O. Yang 13:48 ... usually, you know, you do the Improv, and this is no knock to the Improv, but you gotta sign a W-9 and they give you five bucks in cash.

Joe Rogan 13:55 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 13:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:55 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 13:55 That's just the way it is at the Improv. Right? And then, um, you go to Comedy and Magic Club, it's, I think, $50 a set, which is very nice for like a-

Joe Rogan 14:04 A quick set.

Jimmy O. Yang 14:05 ... yeah, for like a quick set. But then if you do it on Valentine's Day, they don't tell you, "Hey, we're gonna pay you whatever." They just, "Come down, do Valentine's Day 'cause we like you." But they sell these Valentine's Day packages and then at the end of the day, I think I, I opened up a ch- it was like $1,000. They just gave all of us $1,000 checks. It was like really, really nice for a comic that really needs it.

Joe Rogan 14:23 The food there is really good.

Jimmy O. Yang 14:25 Real filet mignon in a comedy club.

Joe Rogan 14:27 Yeah. Yeah, like a real restaurant that you would go to. You would go there as a restaurant.

Jimmy O. Yang 14:31 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:32 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 14:32 That was a great, uh, a great spot. Um, but it is (sighs) ... I don't know. Like I-

Joe Rogan 14:39 It's white.

Jimmy O. Yang 14:39 I-

Joe Rogan 14:39 It's too white. (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 14:40 I tell my stories, like my Asian stories or whatever, but like, you can tell like people come up to me like, "Hey man, that was funny," but like you know like when they talk to themselves, they're like, "Yeah, that, that Asian, that Oriental boy kind of funny."

Joe Rogan 14:52 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 14:52 Like, you know, you know there's some kind of that going on, like I am so foreign to them-

Joe Rogan 14:57 Yes.

Jimmy O. Yang 14:57 ... that they found it refreshing. They're like, "I can't believe that Oriental boy spoke English that well."

Joe Rogan 15:01 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 15:02 (laughs) It... You kinda get that vibe over there, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:06 Isn't it funny that Oriental became like taboo, like the term Oriental?

Jimmy O. Yang 15:12 It's (laughs) it's a weird one.

Joe Rogan 15:14 I mean, and people that say Oriental, they never mean harm.

Jimmy O. Yang 15:17 No, they're just-

Joe Rogan 15:18 You know?

Jimmy O. Yang 15:18 ... old.

Joe Rogan 15:18 They always, they're old like, "It's my buddy's, uh, uh, father's in high school."

Jimmy O. Yang 15:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:24 They're like-

Jimmy O. Yang 15:24 Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 15:24 "So you and your Oriental parents, you guys..."

Jimmy O. Yang 15:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:28 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 15:28 It's like they're trying to be so PC.

Joe Rogan 15:30 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 15:30 It's like when people call black people African Americans 'cause they're too careful, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:35 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 15:35 And, and that's like kinda weird, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:37 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 15:38 Yeah. I don't, I don't love it.

Joe Rogan 15:39 Yeah, it's just a, I mean, what do you... Well, Jamaicans are te- like someone who comes from Jamaica and lives in America, I guess technically you'd be an African America 'cause Africans went to Jamaica first.

Jimmy O. Yang 15:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:54 And then to America.

Jimmy O. Yang 15:57 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 15:58 It's odd.

Jimmy O. Yang 15:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:59 It's all weird, man. It's all... The... But just the, like, for Asian folks, like also people get upset if you can't make the distinction.

Jimmy O. Yang 16:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:11 Right?

Jimmy O. Yang 16:12 Yes. Asians have a lot of beef amongst each other.

Joe Rogan 16:15 Yeah. You can't call it-

Jimmy O. Yang 16:15 Jo Koy has a great bit about that. There's a hierarchy, for sure.

Joe Rogan 16:19 What's the top of the food chain?

Jimmy O. Yang 16:21 What? (laughs) Putting me on the spot here. But I think, look, this is, I think generally, it's you have your main like, uh, Korean, Chinese, uh, Japanese.

Joe Rogan 16:32 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy O. Yang 16:32 And then they sometimes look down at the Southeast Asians.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Mm.

Jimmy O. Yang 16:37 So whatever, Filipino, Thai, whatever.

Joe Rogan 16:39 Vietnamese.

Jimmy O. Yang 16:40 Uh, probably. Um, but then if you call a Chinese person Japanese, they get pissed. But if you call a Japanese, they get p-... I, I, I don't know the exact thing.

Joe Rogan 16:50 But it could get ugly.

Jimmy O. Yang 16:51 It could. And I mean, it's not just country to country. It, it could be... Like my parents, they're from Shanghai, you know, which is a very metropolitan, like Manhattan of, uh, uh, China. So they have an elitist syndrome to them.

Joe Rogan 17:03 Oh.

Jimmy O. Yang 17:04 And they look down at people from the South China or whatever. And then I grew up in Hong Kong, which was a British colony, right? (smacks lips) And it's a very different government. We're a little more, I guess, uh, progressive or whatever, just a different city state. So Hong Kong people has an elitist syndrome, uh, uh, towards mainland Chinese people.

Joe Rogan 17:24 Hm.

Jimmy O. Yang 17:24 Like my, my dad came from Shanghai to Hong Kong, so he spoke Cantonese, which is the local Hong Kong dialect, with a Mandarin, like a mainland guy accent. And they would always make fun of him as like the, the mainland guy.

Joe Rogan 17:37 Oh.

Jimmy O. Yang 17:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:38 How does, how does it... Like when you're seeing what's going on with Hong Kong right now where they're losing their autonomy to China, (exhales loudly) does that freak you out? Is it crazy?

Jimmy O. Yang 17:47 Well, it, it, yeah, it's, it's very disheartening. Um, but I think my dad saw that coming.

Joe Rogan 17:52 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 17:53 You know? We moved here when I was 13, uh, the year 2000. Uh, that was three years after the British gave Hong Kong back to China after the hundred-year treaty, you know?

Joe Rogan 18:05 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 18:06 I guess (laughs) they're like nice colonizers.

Joe Rogan 18:08 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 18:08 They're like, "We're gonna colonize you, but just, just 100 years and here you can have it back." You know?

Joe Rogan 18:13 It seems like it's going downhill. The riots in the streets, or excuse me, the protests, 'cause they're extremely polite protests.

Jimmy O. Yang 18:19 It's-

Joe Rogan 18:19 Like the way they part the street for an ambulance is amazing.

Jimmy O. Yang 18:22 It's tough. And, and I think that's one of the main reasons, aside from education and all that, just more opportunities in America. That was probably one of the main reasons why my family wanted to move out of Hong Kong-

Joe Rogan 18:33 Mm.

Jimmy O. Yang 18:33 ... you know, to America.

Joe Rogan 18:34 They saw it coming.

Jimmy O. Yang 18:35 They saw... 'Cause my dad grew up 50s, 60s communist revolution. Motherfuckers would kick down your door and take everything. Both of my grandparents went to jail.... from both sides because they were intellectuals. Uh, I believe my, my father's father, my grandfather, uh, was, uh, like, a chemistry teacher and he was considered an intellectual and he went to jail.

Joe Rogan 18:57 What? So they j- put him to jail just because he was an intellectual?

Jimmy O. Yang 19:01 I believe so. I don't know the exact story, but then I know uncles that were, like, talking shit that also went to jail. A lot of people went to jail, dude.

Joe Rogan 19:06 So, went, they went to jail because they were complaining?

Jimmy O. Yang 19:09 I think it's, it's a mixture of things, yeah. You just, they just fucking throw you in jail and they kick down your door and take your shit.

Joe Rogan 19:14 Fuck.

Jimmy O. Yang 19:14 Look, now, now I've said that I can never do a movie in China anymore. I'm sure I'm banned. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:19 (laughs) 'Cause you just said that?

Jimmy O. Yang 19:20 Yeah. But who knows? But it's, it's ... I, I get ... Look, I, I don't ever try to get political in my standup or whatever, but I get mad when I see hipsters in their house having Chairman Mao posters.

Joe Rogan 19:33 Hmm.

Jimmy O. Yang 19:33 Or, like, wearing Chairman Mao T-shirts and shit. Chairman Mao killed a lot of people, man. That's like, on the other side of the spectrum, you having, like, a fucking Hitler poster in your house, but somehow that's cool.

Joe Rogan 19:44 Right. Right, right.

Jimmy O. Yang 19:45 You know? Like, it wasn't 'cause all I know, I don't know history that well, but I know the stories that my parents told me during the Communist Revolution, how they got fucked over.

Joe Rogan 19:54 There's something about Mao that's, like, it's intriguing for people that just look at it on the surface, right? Like, uh, same thing with Che Guevara, like, he looks cool.

Jimmy O. Yang 20:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:03 Cool looking, like, oh, rev- revolutionary. Oh, oh, yeah, murderer.

Jimmy O. Yang 20:06 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:07 Yeah. Murderer. Genocidal murderer. Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 20:09 Tiananmen Square.

Joe Rogan 20:10 Yeah. Right, exactly.

Jimmy O. Yang 20:10 You know? That, that was, uh, that was after Mao, I think. That was, uh, whoo.

Joe Rogan 20:14 But still.

Jimmy O. Yang 20:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:15 A Communist dictatorship.

Jimmy O. Yang 20:17 They were-

Joe Rogan 20:17 And it's a wei- it's in a weird place now, right? Because it's capitalist, but it's capitalist really run by this Communist government. Like, uh, the Communist government and the businesses are completely intertwined.

Jimmy O. Yang 20:27 It, it's interesting because they can make policies. They have less, less red tape because they can make policies faster because the government, whatever they say just goes.

Joe Rogan 20:34 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 20:35 But then I guess you hope that it's a decent person, you know-

Joe Rogan 20:38 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 20:38 ... in control. Uh-

Joe Rogan 20:39 That's the fear that people have here in the United States of competing with China, is that China has these advantages because their businesses are so, their corporations are so intertwined with the government that we might do the same thing here.

Jimmy O. Yang 20:53 Hmm. Hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:55 I mean, it's just, it's a weird sort of slippery slope as sort of, as laws and all your different rights get eroded, you get closer and closer to the government being in control of things. Like, these new laws that they've passed recently where the government can just look into your internet searching with no warrant whatsoever. This was something that, I don't know if you know about this, part of the Patriot Act, that, um, this was one of the things that was, people were furious at Senator Sanders. 'Cause-

Jimmy O. Yang 21:25 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 21:25 ... Bernie Sanders didn't, he wasn't there, he didn't show up for the vote. And if he had shown up and voted the other way, it wouldn't have passed.

Jimmy O. Yang 21:31 Why didn't he show up?

Joe Rogan 21:32 He won't comment.

Jimmy O. Yang 21:33 Oh, wow. Huh.

Joe Rogan 21:34 He won't, he's been reached out for, uh, to comment on it, he won't comment on it. But it's very disheartening and a lot of people who are progressives are furious at him and they, they-

Jimmy O. Yang 21:42 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:42 ... feel very, very betrayed by this. Because now, no one even knows. Like m- you didn't know, right? Most people don't know.

Jimmy O. Yang 21:48 No.

Joe Rogan 21:48 Well, the government can now look at all your dirty little searches.

Jimmy O. Yang 21:52 I don't care about that though. Like-

Joe Rogan 21:55 But, but you should care.

Jimmy O. Yang 21:56 ... I, I, it's a slippery slope, right? Is that the fear?

Joe Rogan 21:59 Well, here's the fear. The government is just people. Y- you know, I don't want any ... I don't, I don't think, like, I should be able to just go look into Jamie's search. Like, uh, just for whatever reason. I, I know J- Jamie's at home. What if I have some code I can go just look, "What, what is Jamie looking at?"

Jimmy O. Yang 22:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:15 "What'd he, what is he, what are you searching for?" That's, that's creepy, right? It's creepy. Like, privacy is privacy. It's important. You should, we should be able to reveal what you wanna reveal.

Jimmy O. Yang 22:23 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:23 And if the government, which is just a bunch of people, can peer into your life but you can't peer into their life-

Jimmy O. Yang 22:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:29 ... it sets up abuse. It's the same, it's the sa- like, it's power. It's the same thing you see with cops, right? All the shit that you see with cops, for sure racism is involved, but you know what else is involved? Power.

Jimmy O. Yang 22:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:39 When you see that, that old man get thrown to the ground.

Jimmy O. Yang 22:42 Oh.

Joe Rogan 22:42 The one that Trump said is faking it.

Jimmy O. Yang 22:44 That bashed his head, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:45 Bleeding out of his fucking head and Trump's like, "He-"

Jimmy O. Yang 22:47 Very good actor, by the way.

Joe Rogan 22:49 Yeah, yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 22:49 I mean ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:49 That's what Trump said. He said that he seemed to have fallen too easily. But yeah-

Jimmy O. Yang 22:54 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 22:54 ... he's fucking dead. He's an old man.

Jimmy O. Yang 22:56 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 22:57 That, the fact that he said that, that it's, this might- might be ANTIFA. Like, f- what?

Jimmy O. Yang 23:02 All these conspiracy theorists out there, as an actor I must say, if any of these people are conspiracy guys, they are am- they s- they're fucking Daniel Day-Lewis.

Joe Rogan 23:11 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 23:11 Like, they are great actors. Like, you know, like certain times I even sent like dumb YouTube videos of, uh, there's, uh, a funny YouTube video of, um, uh, uh, somebody's girlfriend deleting his 2K NBA account.

Joe Rogan 23:25 (gasps)

Jimmy O. Yang 23:25 And he just destroyed. You could tell it took everything for him, like, not to, like, hit her or, like, whatever, right? He just-

Joe Rogan 23:32 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 23:32 He was just destroyed. He was crying. And then some of my buddies are like, "Hmm, I don't know, man. That's fake, dude." I was like, "Yo, that guy, that guy is a fucking, uh, uh, Emmy Award, Oscar-winning actor if that shit is fake."

Joe Rogan 23:44 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 23:44 'Cause that is not easy to do.

Joe Rogan 23:46 No, the, people think everything is fake.

Jimmy O. Yang 23:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:49 They think so many things are fake. So many people have sent me things like, "You think this is fake?" I'm like, "Oh, Jesus Christ."

Jimmy O. Yang 23:55 (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:55 Some things are fake.

Jimmy O. Yang 23:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:57 That old man falling the way he did and bouncing his head off the fucking concrete in the middle of a huge protest? Yeah, that was real, dude.

Jimmy O. Yang 24:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:04 That's real. That's what happens when you push an old man.

Jimmy O. Yang 24:06 That's (laughs) the same. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:08 See, the fact that this, the President of the United States say that, like, hey bro, you would fall that way too.

Jimmy O. Yang 24:13 He's a Meisner-trained actor and he has a blood pack in the back of his head. Like, how can that-

Joe Rogan 24:18 Like a pro wrestler.

Jimmy O. Yang 24:19 Like how (laughs) yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:20 He fell onto a mat that was placed there-

Jimmy O. Yang 24:22 He, he cut himself-

Joe Rogan 24:23 ... in advance. Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 24:23 ... with razors for years.

Joe Rogan 24:25 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 24:25 So, so that wound bleeds easy. I don't fucking know.

Joe Rogan 24:27 You can hear the guy's head bounce off the ground.

Jimmy O. Yang 24:29 Oh, yikes.

Joe Rogan 24:29 Yeah, it's a thunk.

Jimmy O. Yang 24:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:31 There's a, a hollow coconut-like thunk when someone's head bounces off concrete.

Jimmy O. Yang 24:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:35 It's fucking terrible. But the fact that the President of the United States didn't just think that, but he thought it would be a good idea to tweet that, like, he's falling apart. All this protest shit, he's falling apart. And also the fact that they denied that they used ...... tear gas to clear out that square so that he can go to the church.

Jimmy O. Yang 24:52 Do it.

Joe Rogan 24:53 Like, hey, man, there's video. There's video of tear gas.

Jimmy O. Yang 24:56 (sighs) Man.

Joe Rogan 24:56 You know, oh, you wanna call it, "It's pepper gas." Okay, you know what?

Jimmy O. Yang 24:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:59 That pepper gas they're using, you're not allowed to use that in war.

Jimmy O. Yang 25:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:03 You know that?

Jimmy O. Yang 25:04 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 25:04 Yeah, you're not allowed to use that shit in war. You can't use tear gas. It, it violates the Geneva Convention.

Jimmy O. Yang 25:11 It's like a bio, bio thing.

Joe Rogan 25:12 Yeah. Go- google that, make sure I'm right about that, but I'm pretty sure I'm right. I'm pretty sure the argument that they're making is you can't use tear gas in war, but you should be able to use it in protests. And these cops are shooting rubber bullets and y- you know, people are losing their fucking eyes. Here it is, "The military's banned from using tear gas on the battlefield, but police can use it on crowds at home. Here's why." And this is on CNN. Th- just think about that.

Jimmy O. Yang 25:38 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 25:38 The military is fucking banned from using this, but you're using it on civilians that just wanna protest the tortured death of a guy who was being detained by a cop who had a 14-year history of being a piece of shit.

Jimmy O. Yang 25:55 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 25:55 And dozens of com- I mean, he had more than a dozen complaints of abusive behavior. And th- they're gonna use tear gas on these people and just shoot rubber bullets randomly at folks.

Jimmy O. Yang 26:06 I, I, I, I, I don't know what it takes. What is the lowest common denominator, like he has to murder someone, like, in front of you? And people would still be like-

Joe Rogan 26:14 Or Trump.

Jimmy O. Yang 26:14 ... "Oh." Yeah, yeah, or whatever. 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 26:16 I think he's, he's, he's on the way out. I think it's, uh, it's, it's slowly but surely. Like stuff like this, he can't help himself. And under pressure, when the, th- when people are angry at him because of all this... And I think one of the b- it's kinda crazy, but one of the big things that started it off, where he really lost his composure, was all that shit that he said about Lysol. Like, uh-

Jimmy O. Yang 26:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:36 ... "Maybe we could get disinfectant and put it in the body, a cleansing."

Jimmy O. Yang 26:40 Oh, dude.

Joe Rogan 26:41 When, when he started doing that, and then the next day they were asking him about it, he goes, "I was being sarcastic to see how you reporters would call on it."

Jimmy O. Yang 26:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:48 Like, no you weren't, you were rambling. You were ram- like, I, I've done that before. I've been caught rambling, but I would say, "The fuck am I talking about? I don't know wha- how you use Lysol on a person. Why am I saying this?"

Jimmy O. Yang 26:58 He's pitching. He's pitching-

Joe Rogan 27:00 He's pitching.

Jimmy O. Yang 27:00 ... as if, like, you're in the writer's room and he's like, "Yeah, have you tried this idea?"

Joe Rogan 27:03 (laughs) Exactly.

Jimmy O. Yang 27:03 "You know what, what, what about you pair this character with that character?"

Joe Rogan 27:06 Exactly.

Jimmy O. Yang 27:06 But you don't (laughs) do that as the president in public about health issues.

Joe Rogan 27:10 See, look at this, "CDC: Some Americans are gargling with bleach or putting it on food to fight COVID-19." Is that real?

Narrator 27:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:18 Really?

Narrator 27:18 I, I read that they did, like, a survey of a couple thousand people and f- somewhere in the range of, like, 4% of people admitted to gargling-

Jimmy O. Yang 27:26 4%?

Narrator 27:27 ... and/or washing stuff with bleach or something like that.

Jimmy O. Yang 27:29 Whoa, this is, this is Darwinism. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:31 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 27:31 You know?

Joe Rogan 27:32 This is, if you're over 18, go do it.

Jimmy O. Yang 27:35 (laughs) No, wait, don't say that joke. Don't, don't say that.

Joe Rogan 27:38 No, this is a, if you're younger and you're young and you don't know any better-

Jimmy O. Yang 27:41 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:41 ... and you just, you're not uneducated. But at a certain age, like, you should know not to fucking gargle with bleach, right?

Jimmy O. Yang 27:48 (sighs) Tide Pod challenge all over again.

Joe Rogan 27:51 Yeah, it's Tide Pod challenge, but it'll kill you.

Jimmy O. Yang 27:53 It, it's interesting, even... Like, I stay off Twitter, all of that stuff.

Joe Rogan 27:56 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 27:57 I don't, I don't to- a lot co-

Joe Rogan 27:58 Thank you.

Jimmy O. Yang 27:58 I, uh... It's just, it's, it's tough. I think I'm gonna delete my Twitter account.

Joe Rogan 28:00 It's so toxic these days. I'm in a, um, a tweet thread, or a, um, text thread rather, with a couple comedians and they'll send me the most egregious, ridiculous things that are going on on Twitter where people are arguing about all kinds of crazy shit. And I'm like, "Man, this is toxic." Like, you're, you're reading into these... A l- these, a lot of these people have, like, severe depression and mental health issues, and they're lashing out at people. And they, and they, they have these, like, like, witch hunts, and they-

Jimmy O. Yang 28:29 Dude.

Joe Rogan 28:29 ... go after folks for jokes from 14 years ago and attack them-

Jimmy O. Yang 28:32 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:33 ... and put up screenshots and, and they think they're somehow or another, like, doing something positive.

Jimmy O. Yang 28:38 Did you do a tw- Twitter scrub of, like, old tweets?

Joe Rogan 28:41 No.

Jimmy O. Yang 28:41 Deleting... I did that. I'm, I mean, I see every day actors getting fired and shit. None of my stuff was, like, terrible, but it was just, like, bad jokes maybe.

Joe Rogan 28:49 Well, the problem is, with us in particular, we say the most ridiculous shit to each other all the time.

Jimmy O. Yang 28:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 28:57 And then Twitter was, like, a lot of it was, like, trying jokes out.

Jimmy O. Yang 29:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:01 And a lot of it was, like, you had a hot take on something that was ridiculous and you knew was offensive-

Jimmy O. Yang 29:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:05 ... but you were only saying it for fun.

Jimmy O. Yang 29:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:07 And then people take those things out of context and they pretend that it's, like, your real feelings and thoughts. Like, these are jokes. People say ridiculous shit that they don't really mean because they wanna get you to laugh.

Jimmy O. Yang 29:18 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 29:18 That's all it is. And if you take those out of context, it can look pretty bad.

Jimmy O. Yang 29:24 If... I'm... Like, you're, like, a pretty pure comedian, you know? I, I have to kinda, you know, I, I, I, I-

Joe Rogan 29:32 You act.

Jimmy O. Yang 29:32 I act and stuff-

Narrator 29:33 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 29:34 ... and that-

Joe Rogan 29:34 That world sucks.

Jimmy O. Yang 29:34 ... is a totally different world.

Joe Rogan 29:35 That world sucks.

Jimmy O. Yang 29:36 Because you can't really say anything. So, even when I do stand-up, like, like, what the fuck? What am I supposed to say?

Joe Rogan 29:40 No.

Jimmy O. Yang 29:40 Like, I can only... I've learned my lane is only telling my stories.

Joe Rogan 29:45 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 29:45 You can't argue with that.

Joe Rogan 29:46 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 29:46 Like, if I'm just telling you stories about my father or, like, me growing up in Hong Kong-

Joe Rogan 29:50 Exactly.

Jimmy O. Yang 29:50 ... what are you gonna say? I'm a fucking asshole-

Joe Rogan 29:52 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 29:52 ... because I'm telling my, because I grew up a certain way?

Joe Rogan 29:54 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 29:54 Like, so that's the only thing that I've found, a lane, that, uh, I guess people can't argue.

Joe Rogan 30:00 For now, they can't. For now. But as things get more and more ridiculous, eventually one day they'll be able to get mad at you for that. Like, they just... Once everything's been cleared out and people have been purified, they just move the goalposts.

Jimmy O. Yang 30:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:12 And they find some new thing-

Narrator 30:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:13 ... that's offensive to say or do. There's things that people are getting fired for today that three months ago you could say easily and people would agree with you.

Jimmy O. Yang 30:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:22 It's just weird, man.

Jimmy O. Yang 30:24 Just, just say it to your friends. Don't tweet about it.

Joe Rogan 30:26 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 30:26 I, I guess is the lesson.

Joe Rogan 30:28 Well, the thing is, a lot of people tweeted in, you know, fucking 2008, they tweeted it. And then someone will go back and find it-... 12 years later and you get in trouble. And you get fired. People are getting fired for old tweets.

Jimmy O. Yang 30:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:40 Like, I'm really glad I don't have a job job, like where someone hires me or fi- fires me. 'Cause just a, a, m- I've said a million things in the podcast-

Jimmy O. Yang 30:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:48 ... drunk or high or talking shit with comedians where you're just trying to make each other-

Jimmy O. Yang 30:52 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 30:52 ... laugh and say stupid shit.

Jimmy O. Yang 30:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:54 And, you know, and then if you take that out of c- ... If you don't see the whole podcast and get the vibe of how we talk-

Jimmy O. Yang 31:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:00 ... and the conversation, you just make a snippet out of it, you can make someone look like a real piece of shit. But it's, it's disingenuous. It's disingenuous. It's deceptive. They know what they're doing. They know that they're trying to paint a very distorted perception of who these people are when they're taking their tweets and taking them out of context and putting them up there and, and trying to get them canceled. They have rocks. It's just like a looter in a lot of ways. Like, they have rocks, and there's a window, and they want to throw a rock in the window.

Jimmy O. Yang 31:26 You know, um, how the military, uh, hires hackers to hack into their own system-

Joe Rogan 31:32 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 31:32 ... to see, uh, how vulnerable they are? I think there should be a new job out there for, uh, comedians, uh, celebrities to hire these, uh, uh, uh, Twitter people-

Joe Rogan 31:42 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 31:42 ... to see if they can dig up any dirt.

Joe Rogan 31:44 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 31:44 And I'll, I'll give them five grand if you can find anything.

Joe Rogan 31:47 (laughs) Right. Just to prevent some sort of tweet storm-

Jimmy O. Yang 31:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:50 ... against you. That's a good idea, actually. That's actually a good idea for actors. Like, they should do that befor- ... Well, I know they do do that now when they hire someone for any sort of prominent ... Whether it's you're gonna be on the Today show or you're gonna host some show or you're gonna be a sitcom actor, they'll check your fucking tweets down. They want to make sure-

Jimmy O. Yang 32:09 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 32:09 ... that they're not hiring ... Especially if you're a comic.

Jimmy O. Yang 32:12 Right. Oh, that's tough.

Joe Rogan 32:12 They, they look at us like we're criminals. They look at us like, "What do you do? What have you been up to?"

Jimmy O. Yang 32:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:18 "What have you been doing when no one's looking? What have you been writing on your own, you fucking weirdo?"

Jimmy O. Yang 32:22 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:23 "Trying to make people laugh with your ridiculous shit."

Jimmy O. Yang 32:25 Ugh. That's why the virtual shows are the worst. Imagine trying a joke on Zoom-

Joe Rogan 32:31 Aah.

Jimmy O. Yang 32:31 ... then record it.

Joe Rogan 32:32 Then you get canceled. (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 32:33 And then ... (laughs) You get canceled off a Zoom virtual show?

Joe Rogan 32:37 Aah.

Jimmy O. Yang 32:39 (gasps) Oh. It could happen. It could happen.

Joe Rogan 32:41 Yeah. Yeah. Well, you, you know what's interesting though? I, I think ... Um, I was talking to my buddies about this. If, if ... I think ... I'm, I'm a nice guy. If somehow there was an old tweet, uh, somebody found and it's some bullshit and, and they're trying to cancel me, do you think you or, like, uh, friends of mine would speak up and be like- Yes. ... "Hey, man, he's actually a good guy"? I would 100% speak up for you.

Jimmy O. Yang 33:03 Why is-

Joe Rogan 33:03 100%.

Jimmy O. Yang 33:04 Right. So, so I think the people that actually got tweets dug up about them ... There, there's two ways. Sometimes you get people speaking up and it's like, "No, no, no, he's actually a good guy." But most of the time, it's like, "Yeah, he was an asshole." Yeah. He actually-

Joe Rogan 33:16 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 33:16 Uh, didn't, uh, uh, hire no black people because blah, blah. So I think it's the combination of both. That tweet just exposes a little bit of that person, and then-

Joe Rogan 33:24 It could be.

Jimmy O. Yang 33:24 ... everybody jumps on him and is like, "Yeah, no, you know what? He's actually a dick."

Joe Rogan 33:27 It could be or it could be the person who's getting attacked is, uh, does not have a high profile friend and they're-

Jimmy O. Yang 33:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:34 You know, they're kind of, like, just starting out and maybe they got a job somewhere and none of their friends have any clout so they can't really speak up for them. And if they did, they'd get canceled, so they're scared.

Jimmy O. Yang 33:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:44 They're scared of the mob-

Jimmy O. Yang 33:45 'Cause it-

Joe Rogan 33:46 ... 'cause it really is a mob, man.

Jimmy O. Yang 33:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:47 When an internet mob comes after you, you know, it's, um, it's just not a good way to communicate. You know, there's a, an interesting guy who had a, uh, tweet about this. I'm gonna pull this up. Um, there's a, a gentleman named ... Where is his, uh, tweet here? There, there it is. Okay. Um, Alex Levinovitz. I'm, I'm sure I'm saying this right. Levinovitz.

Jimmy O. Yang 34:17 Mm.

Joe Rogan 34:17 Uh, Alan. I'm sorry. Alan Levinovitz. I'm trying to read his last name and I can't even ... I'm ... I glossed over his first name. But he had a, uh, really interesting point that what we're eating when people get sick, you're eating highly processed food.

Jimmy O. Yang 34:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:31 Right? You're not eating healthy natural food.

Jimmy O. Yang 34:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:34 When you're consuming tweets and you're getting a lot of your information from Twitter and social media, you're getting highly processed information.

Jimmy O. Yang 34:43 Mm. Interesting. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:44 And, and he was saying it's just as bad for you as processed food, and that it's unnatural and it doesn't come-

Jimmy O. Yang 34:51 Ah.

Joe Rogan 34:51 ... in a natural form. And, uh, I was like, that's a very excellent point, the way he put ... His, um, his Twitter handle is Alan, A-L-A-N L-E-V-I-N-O-V-I-T-Z. I'm gonna have him on the podcast too. He's an author and a professor. Um, uh, he's just a ... The, the point was excellent. Like, I've, I've said ... I had a similar point that I said too many people, like, u- uh, consuming gossip and-

Jimmy O. Yang 35:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:19 ... and bullshit and you're watching stupid television shows, reality shows, and your, your, your mental diet is very poor. But I think the way he formed it is actually even better, that it's really highly processed, because the form ... When you're getting tweets, right, you're getting 280 characters. That form of, like, data and information, there's no social cues. There's no context.

Jimmy O. Yang 35:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:39 There's no nuance. And you're, you're getting this very weird message, and you can decide good or bad. Good message. Bad message. Bad person. Good person.

Jimmy O. Yang 35:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:50 Like, it's hard. It's, it's ... And then anger. You know, there's no, there's no real way to commu- ... It's a bad way to exchange information with other human beings.

Jimmy O. Yang 36:00 What's the anonymity of it?

Joe Rogan 36:01 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 36:01 Like-

Joe Rogan 36:02 That's, that's true.

Jimmy O. Yang 36:02 People wouldn't say that shit to your face.

Joe Rogan 36:04 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 36:04 They're, they're either gonna get beat up or just ... There's a common courtesy when you're talking face to face, I wouldn't say certain things to you. But when you're-

Joe Rogan 36:10 If you're a kind person, yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 36:11 But when you're anonymous, uh, and then you're angry, that's, uh, it's not ... I-

Joe Rogan 36:17 It's also convenient you can demonize someone and attack them and you, you don't care if you get them fired because they had a weird Halloween picture they dressed up like an Indian in 1988, you know?

Jimmy O. Yang 36:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:27 You know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of that shit going around.

Jimmy O. Yang 36:29 Um, we should all delete our twitters. I don't know why people have twitters anymore.

Joe Rogan 36:32 Well, it's good for promoting shows when we used to have shows.

Jimmy O. Yang 36:35 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:36 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 36:36 Yeah. Yeah, I never ... My Twitter never caught on 'cause my shit is so vanilla.

Joe Rogan 36:41 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 36:41 You know, 'cause I don't ever say controversial shit, and that's how you get followers, I think.

Joe Rogan 36:44 Well, you're smart. Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 36:46 I-

Joe Rogan 36:46 Well, it help- ... Controversial shit helps. I, I r- used to retweet a lot of cool shit that people sent me.

Jimmy O. Yang 36:51 Yes.

Joe Rogan 36:51 But then I had to stop listening, reading s- things that people were sending me.

Jimmy O. Yang 36:55 The one thing I ever really recently tweeted about, uh, was ... (sighs) I don't even wanna mention this, but the whole Shane Gillis thing with the SNL.

Joe Rogan 37:03 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy O. Yang 37:04 I was sitting in my trailer, I was just angry-

Joe Rogan 37:06 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 37:06 ... as an Asian person reading this. And then I just said, "Oh, bro, th- this guy should not be here, blah, blah." You know, like almost (laughs) the ... I became the mob s- ... But I was just angry and I never thought about it. And then I got so much flak, you know, uh, even saying some things I, I ... that I thought was right from my experience what I thought. And then ever since then I was just like, "Forget it," you know. "I'm gonna ... I'm only gonna retweet other people's shit. I have no opinions."

Joe Rogan 37:30 Yeah. That Shane Gillis thing was very weird 'cause, like, the ... They're talking shit, right? They're trying to be offensive to be funny and no one was listening, right? When they were doing it and there's, like, you know, 1,000 people downloading their podcast, what ... They, they just thought they were just being offensive and saying ridiculous shit because you can and 'cause you make each other laugh. I don't think, I don't think he's racist. I don't think he's a bad guy. I think he's just talking shit.

Jimmy O. Yang 37:59 It's the casualness of it, though-

Joe Rogan 38:00 Yes.

Jimmy O. Yang 38:00 ... I think that was what got to me. It's like, "Damn."

Joe Rogan 38:04 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 38:04 "There's just white people in their rooms talking about us like that."

Joe Rogan 38:07 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 38:07 Like, "That sucks," you know? And it's-

Joe Rogan 38:09 But I think they probably wouldn't talk like that if no one was around. It's weird. It's like you're talking like that because you know it's taboo to talk like that.

Jimmy O. Yang 38:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:18 It's part of the fun of doing it. It's so ... It's not ... It's ... I mean, you know, "Oh, you're a raci- racist apologist." I'm not. I'm not apologizing for it.

Jimmy O. Yang 38:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:27 But I am saying, like, that's what a lot of those kind of guys do. There's, like, a shock aspect to certain comedy-

Jimmy O. Yang 38:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:34 ... where they try to make each other laugh by saying shit you're not supposed to say. And, uh, he, he had some fucking great sketches. There was a great sketch that he put up that Norm MacDonald retweeted, 'cause Norm was upset that he got fired for it all. And, uh, it was about people taking things the wrong way and, uh, misunderstanding and running with the worst possible scenario. And it just, like, compounded. It was a really great sketch. But I came from-

Jimmy O. Yang 39:01 I shouldn't even have brought that up then. Now people's gonna tweet at me and be like-

Joe Rogan 39:04 No, no.

Jimmy O. Yang 39:04 ... "You're a fucking an asshole comic trying to get another comic fired." But-

Joe Rogan 39:08 No. You're ... H- y- ... I get it.

Jimmy O. Yang 39:09 You know?

Joe Rogan 39:09 Look, I get it, man, especially being a minority in America. I get it.

Jimmy O. Yang 39:13 Being an Asian, like, I say this in my stand-up. It's like people coming up to me, "Hey, thanks for representing Asians." I love i- ... I love Asians.

Joe Rogan 39:20 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 39:20 I love I represent Asians, but it wasn't a choice. When you wake up Asian-

Joe Rogan 39:23 (laughs) Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 39:24 When you wake up Asian, you can only represent Asians in there's some kind of responsibility, so ...

Joe Rogan 39:29 I was talking to Steve Aoki about Bruce Lee.

Jimmy O. Yang 39:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:31 You know, I'm a giant Bruce Lee fan, and we were talking Bruce Lee stories. And he was saying that, like, when he was a kid, it's like, Bruce Lee was like finally, like, Asians had this representative-

Jimmy O. Yang 39:42 Yes.

Joe Rogan 39:42 ... this badass representative.

Jimmy O. Yang 39:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:45 You know, who just didn't exist before in popular culture.

Jimmy O. Yang 39:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:48 Like, that's how unique Bruce Lee is if you really stop and think about it. Like, there was literally no one any ... even remotely like him in pop culture before him, and then bursts onto the scene. And then there was, like, a ton of fake ones. There was Bruce Li. Do you remember? Do you know about Bruce Li?

Jimmy O. Yang 40:02 No. What's Bruce Li?

Joe Rogan 40:03 When Bruce Lee died, th- they had this guy named Bruce Li. (laughs) They had him dress like Bruce Lee and do very similar movies to Bruce Lee. And Bruce Lee fans like myself, we were like, "All right, I'll take it." (laughs) It's like, you know- Was ... He was Asian though, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 40:17 Like, "Okay, shit." All right.

Joe Rogan 40:18 Yeah, yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 40:19 I mean, Bruce Lee was huge. I mean, you can tell his impact. 40 years later, he is still one of the most Asian ... famous Asian-

Joe Rogan 40:26 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 40:26 ... sex symbols.

Joe Rogan 40:27 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 40:28 And, and, and representation, it's in- ... extremely, uh, uh, important in that sense because I have had girls tell me ... This is a ... just anecdotally. Can't hate me for this story.

Joe Rogan 40:39 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 40:39 But I mean, it's just a fun story. But this girl told me, she was like ... Um, a white girl, she was like, "You know, uh, when I watched The Crow," which is Brandon Lee's movie, his son. She was like, "When I watched The Crow, I felt like that was my sexual awakening when I was 15 years old."

Joe Rogan 40:55 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 40:55 "And guess what? I had sex with him that night."

Joe Rogan 40:58 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 40:58 You know what I mean? Like, that shit matters, bro.

Joe Rogan 41:00 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 41:00 Like, I swear when Crazy Rich Asians came out and everybody was watching it, people wanted ... want to start fucking Asian dudes.

Joe Rogan 41:08 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 41:09 Because the-

Joe Rogan 41:09 That makes sense.

Jimmy O. Yang 41:10 Sadly, I don't know. Statistically, you know, I think they did some research on, like, Plenty of Fish or something. Asian dudes and Black women are the least likely to get matched on dating apps. Uh, I don't know. There's probably a much bigger systematic conversation 'cause we were, you know, emasculated-

Joe Rogan 41:28 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy O. Yang 41:28 ... blah, blah. Uh, but, um, I think what representative ... If, if we had, like, 10 more Bruce Lees, you know, or 10 more crazy rich Asians, that really helps, just the media representation.

Joe Rogan 41:41 Yeah. Or you.

Jimmy O. Yang 41:42 Or me. I'm, I'm ... Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:43 You just need to blow the fuck up and-

Jimmy O. Yang 41:45 I- I- I- I'm doing fine, you know?

Joe Rogan 41:47 You're doing real fine.

Jimmy O. Yang 41:47 I- I need some other brothers to ... or-

Joe Rogan 41:49 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 41:50 ... or, or some, some white girl to be watching my stand-up and be like, you know, "I'm gonna go fuck an Asian guy tonight."

Joe Rogan 41:56 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 41:57 That's important, man. That's-

Joe Rogan 41:58 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 41:58 That's my, my, uh, uh, dream in this business is to help other Asian brothers get laid.

Joe Rogan 42:05 I think you can do it.

Jimmy O. Yang 42:06 I hope so.

Joe Rogan 42:07 I, I, I have faith in you. You're that funny.

Jimmy O. Yang 42:08 I might just do porn, Joe.

Joe Rogan 42:10 You should do that too.

Jimmy O. Yang 42:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:11 Whatever. You should be the only guy that has a, a dual career, like successful comedian, successful porn star.

Jimmy O. Yang 42:17 Hm.

Joe Rogan 42:17 Is that po- ... There's something about, right? If you be- ... decide to become a porn star, it taints you for everything else.

Jimmy O. Yang 42:23 W- y- uh, comedy though?

Joe Rogan 42:24 Yeah, I think so.

Jimmy O. Yang 42:25 Really? Ah.

Joe Rogan 42:26 Yeah, I don't think ... Like, do you think-

Jimmy O. Yang 42:27 My acting career will be over.

Joe Rogan 42:28 ... if Dave Chappelle just started slinging dick?

Jimmy O. Yang 42:30 That would be hilarious. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:31 It would be kind of funny. But do you think that it would taint his comedy career at all?

Jimmy O. Yang 42:34 H- how's his dick game though?

Joe Rogan 42:36 How's his dick game? I bet it's pretty fucking strong.

Jimmy O. Yang 42:38 If it's a strong dick game, I think it'll help.

Joe Rogan 42:39 You think so?

Jimmy O. Yang 42:40 I think so.

Joe Rogan 42:40 Maybe. Maybe.

Jimmy O. Yang 42:42 Somebody's got to be brave enough to do it.

Joe Rogan 42:43 Do you remember when Snoop Dogg was, like, hosting pornos?

Jimmy O. Yang 42:48 He was?

Joe Rogan 42:49 Yeah, he was hosting them.Yeah. (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 42:51 (laughs) What does that even mean? Like-

Joe Rogan 42:52 Well, he would be like in the room, like, "Oh, shit. People are fucking."

Jimmy O. Yang 42:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:55 Like he was, he was doing things, he was doing things with porn. I'm, I'm try- I'm, I'm sure I'm right about this.

Jimmy O. Yang 43:03 But who wants that?

Narrator 43:04 It came out doggy style, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:05 Yeah, doggy style.

Jimmy O. Yang 43:06 Oh.

Joe Rogan 43:06 So he had like porn that he was like put ... Look, Snoop Dogg is beyond reproach. He's so cool. He can get away with everything.

Jimmy O. Yang 43:13 He's amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:13 He can get away with everything and anything, no matter what it is.

Jimmy O. Yang 43:16 But that's a bad idea to start with. I don't even like, uh, the dude talking shit when he's like fucking, you know? Like-

Joe Rogan 43:22 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 43:22 I don't, I don't want any noise from the man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:26 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 43:26 Like (laughs) I, I-

Narrator 43:29 Sss. Oh.

Jimmy O. Yang 43:29 Like, like this one guy, I think his name is a, uh, like w- uh, uh, uh, a black porn star like Wesley Pipes.

Joe Rogan 43:35 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 43:35 I don't know if you know. Maybe I know too much about porn.

Joe Rogan 43:37 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 43:38 But he be talking some shit in his pornos.

Joe Rogan 43:40 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 43:40 I'm like, "Yo. Shut up, dog."

Narrator 43:41 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 43:41 Like let me, let me just-

Joe Rogan 43:43 Let me concentrate. (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 43:43 Yeah, dude.

Narrator 43:45 Trying to be very careful here about just showing you guys.

Joe Rogan 43:47 Oh yeah, we can't really, uh, see this, right?

Narrator 43:50 No, yeah, but the sun, uh, it's available to find.

Joe Rogan 43:53 And so, so the girls were like doing all their stuff and he's like ... He's not ha- doing porn, but he's like producing it, right?

Jimmy O. Yang 44:01 He, he's not-

Narrator 44:02 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 44:02 ... in the same room, right? He's like-

Narrator 44:03 I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 44:04 That's a good move.

Jimmy O. Yang 44:06 Commentating.

Joe Rogan 44:06 Probably had good advisors like, "Hm. Snoop, let's uh, keep you in the other room."

Jimmy O. Yang 44:12 Yeah.

Narrator 44:12 This is back when like we had the authorize button on the cable boxes, which is, doesn't really exist anymore. Do you remember that?

Joe Rogan 44:18 No.

Narrator 44:18 That's like how you bought pay-per-views.

Jimmy O. Yang 44:19 You had to press a button?

Narrator 44:20 You go to the channel and then like if you wanted it, you hit authorize.

Joe Rogan 44:24 Oh, wow.

Narrator 44:24 And then like for 3.99 you get to watch whatever it was on.

Joe Rogan 44:27 I don't really remember this.

Narrator 44:29 And that's how this ... Like, yeah. There's, that's how like, uh, it's like when cable boxes first came out.

Joe Rogan 44:32 You press it on the box itself?

Narrator 44:34 On the, on the remote control-

Joe Rogan 44:36 Oh.

Narrator 44:36 ... there's an authorize button.

Jimmy O. Yang 44:37 So there's a DJ-

Narrator 44:38 And then it made it very easy for kids to buy paper- porn.

Jimmy O. Yang 44:40 It's a whole party and then it becomes porn?

Joe Rogan 44:42 Looks like it.

Jimmy O. Yang 44:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:45 I mean, I'm no detective, but that girl's-

Jimmy O. Yang 44:46 What? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:46 ... got her pants off.

Narrator 44:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:48 Oh, there you go. Now we see something there.

Jimmy O. Yang 44:49 Oh. Oh.

Narrator 44:50 Oh.

Joe Rogan 44:50 Jeez Louise.

Narrator 44:51 I think it's like the after parties after the shows and shit.

Joe Rogan 44:52 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 44:54 But that, this is ... Oh, there's Snoop. But wait-

Joe Rogan 44:56 They were all dancing and everybody's having a good time.

Narrator 44:59 Yeah, so-

Joe Rogan 44:59 Okay. Seen enough. Snoop, don't throw up.

Jimmy O. Yang 45:02 I don't know. I don't ... (laughs) I don't know if I like that. Like it's-

Narrator 45:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:07 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 45:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:07 I don't know if I like that.

Jimmy O. Yang 45:08 You know, it's too casual. The fucking is too casual.

Joe Rogan 45:11 Right. Right. It's out in a party. Everyone's out in the open in the middle of like ... It's seems like they're by a pool. Right?

Jimmy O. Yang 45:16 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:17 A kind of a pool party-

Jimmy O. Yang 45:18 And I don't know about that.

Joe Rogan 45:18 ... fuck party type of vibe.

Jimmy O. Yang 45:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:21 Mm.

Jimmy O. Yang 45:21 Yeah. Maybe I'll consider a porn career. We'll see.

Joe Rogan 45:24 But it's weird, right? Because everybody wants to fuck, but nobody wants you to fuck on film.

Jimmy O. Yang 45:30 Mm. Mm.

Joe Rogan 45:30 It could taint you.

Jimmy O. Yang 45:32 Mm.

Joe Rogan 45:32 Like if you found out that Scarlett Johansson was having sex, you'd be like, "Of course she's having sex. She's a beautiful girl. She probably likes men and she has sex." But if you, if you sa- said Carla- Scarlett Johansson wants to have sex on film-

Jimmy O. Yang 45:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:43 ... and you can watch her, everybody would be like, "What's wrong with her?"

Jimmy O. Yang 45:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:48 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 45:49 But I mean, lo- look, uh, like Sasha Grey, porn star who became kind of an actress from those Soderbergh movies.

Joe Rogan 45:55 How many did she do?

Jimmy O. Yang 45:57 I, I ... The Girlfriend Experience I know she did.

Joe Rogan 45:59 Yeah. She did that one.

Jimmy O. Yang 46:00 Did a couple things.

Joe Rogan 46:01 She's an odd case, right? Because she's very smart.

Jimmy O. Yang 46:04 Yeah. She's, I think, a decent actress, but I ... She'll never make it to that next level because she was a porn star. Now, has anybody done the reverse? Where they're actor and then became a porn star and then went back to acting?

Joe Rogan 46:17 I don't-

Jimmy O. Yang 46:17 'Cause you establish yourself as an actor.

Joe Rogan 46:19 I don't think they've ever gone back. It's one of those hail Mary last ditch effort things.

Jimmy O. Yang 46:24 I think Dustin Diamond after his career-

Joe Rogan 46:26 From Screech?

Jimmy O. Yang 46:27 Yeah. I think he did-

Joe Rogan 46:28 Saved by the Bell?

Jimmy O. Yang 46:28 He did porn, right?

Joe Rogan 46:29 Did he? I'm sure he did.

Jimmy O. Yang 46:30 But that was after he hasn't acted in a while.

Joe Rogan 46:31 Didn't he stab somebody?

Narrator 46:33 I think so.

Joe Rogan 46:33 Think he stabbed somebody. Yeah. He did a lot of shit. He did standup, stabbed somebody, fucked people. Did a lot.

Jimmy O. Yang 46:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:39 What a rich life.

Jimmy O. Yang 46:41 I like how standup-

Joe Rogan 46:42 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 46:42 ... is grouped into that rock bottom.

Joe Rogan 46:44 It is, though. We're, we're grouped into porn stars and strippers.

Jimmy O. Yang 46:49 I think he did standup after he did porn. I think it's porn, standup, stabbing people.

Joe Rogan 46:53 I think it was standup, stabbing people, porn.

Jimmy O. Yang 46:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:58 But I might be wrong. (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 47:00 We're all just one step away from stabbing in porn.

Joe Rogan 47:02 Do you, uh, do you know about, uh ... Do you know Vincent Gallo, the actor?

Jimmy O. Yang 47:05 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:06 Yeah, yeah. Great actor. But ruined his career by getting a real blow job in a movie that he produced.

Jimmy O. Yang 47:14 Well, that's, that's sha-

Joe Rogan 47:15 Do you know about that?

Jimmy O. Yang 47:16 I, I think ... Yes, I think I heard about that.

Joe Rogan 47:18 Brown Bunny.

Jimmy O. Yang 47:18 Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. That guy-

Joe Rogan 47:20 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 47:20 That was recent.

Joe Rogan 47:21 Well, no.

Jimmy O. Yang 47:21 No?

Joe Rogan 47:22 It was like more than a decade ago at least.

Jimmy O. Yang 47:23 Oh, okay. No, no, no then. No.

Joe Rogan 47:24 Yeah. I want to say, pff, 2000, early 2000s.

Jimmy O. Yang 47:28 When was-

Joe Rogan 47:28 I want to say 2004-

Jimmy O. Yang 47:29 But that was the-

Joe Rogan 47:29 ... maybe something like that. Brown Bunny.

Jimmy O. Yang 47:30 That sounds ... I, I don't know what the, uh, story is, but that sounds kind of shady and me too if you're the producer and the star and you're getting, you know, a blow job.

Joe Rogan 47:38 Yeah. For sure. Yeah. You could definitely see that. 2003. Yeah. Brown Bunny. So it's with Cl- I don't know how to say her name. Chloë Sevigny. How do you say her name?

Jimmy O. Yang 47:47 Oh. Sevin-yay? Is that right?

Joe Rogan 47:49 Sevigny? Is that how you say it?

Jimmy O. Yang 47:49 I, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 47:50 She's, she's bounced back.

Jimmy O. Yang 47:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:53 But I don't necessarily believe that he has. And he's a really interesting ... Like Bu- what is it? Buffalo '64. Is that what the name of that movie is?

Jimmy O. Yang 48:02 Hm.

Joe Rogan 48:02 It's really weird, interesting movie. He did some interesting shit. What is that? His Buffalo movie.

Narrator 48:08 66.

Joe Rogan 48:08 Buffalo 66.

Jimmy O. Yang 48:10 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:10 Really interesting movie. He's a great actor.

Jimmy O. Yang 48:13 Mm.

Joe Rogan 48:13 But he decided ... I think he was like ... You know, he's out there, right? He's a real artist.

Jimmy O. Yang 48:18 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:19 And probably also a pervert. And he's like-

Jimmy O. Yang 48:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:21 ... "Listen. How about you just suck my dick for real?" And Chloë's like, "Let's do it."

Jimmy O. Yang 48:25 Oh.

Joe Rogan 48:25 "I'm ma- I'm an artist too." And so she really sucked his dick.

Jimmy O. Yang 48:29 That's-

Joe Rogan 48:29 And it was, uh, it was pretty hot. But people got very mad. They got very mad.

Jimmy O. Yang 48:34 Because his-

Joe Rogan 48:35 They went to see the fil- Like critics were fucking furious 'cause they went to see it and instead of it being like simulated-

Jimmy O. Yang 48:42 Hm.

Joe Rogan 48:42 ... it was actual sex.

Jimmy O. Yang 48:44 Hm.Hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:45 It's weird, right? Like, you could simulate violence, right? Like John Wick movies. I fucking love John Wick movies.

Jimmy O. Yang 48:52 Great, great movie.

Joe Rogan 48:52 But it's like, ba-bang, bang-

Jimmy O. Yang 48:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:54 ... brains are splattered, dudes are getting stabbed in the eyeball. Everybody's fine with it-

Jimmy O. Yang 48:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 48:58 ... 'cause you know it's not real.

Jimmy O. Yang 48:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:59 Could you have simulated sex if we know for sure it's a rubber dick and a plastic pussy? Fine. Like, show penetration.

Jimmy O. Yang 49:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:07 Fine. It's fake penetration, folks. No need to worry. Nobody felt really good while they were doing this. This is just rubber on plastic, just wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa.

Jimmy O. Yang 49:15 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:16 We had a f- a... There was a robot. The robot was pushing, and it's a fake dick-

Jimmy O. Yang 49:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:20 ... and it's all CGI.

Jimmy O. Yang 49:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:22 Would everybody be cool with that?

Jimmy O. Yang 49:24 Well, you, you know what's interesting? Now that you're talking about, like, real sex scenes inside of a movie, those movies, Nymphomaniac. What's that dude's name? Uh, Van something. Like, he's a European guy.

Joe Rogan 49:34 Oh, I don't know about those.

Jimmy O. Yang 49:34 And that was like a... There was, like, real sex scenes and I think real double penetration in those movies.

Joe Rogan 49:39 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 49:39 But, uh, it was, um... It was like... I guess, like a good... Considered a really good, uh, uh, envelope-pushing type of movie. So maybe if you're European can get away with it.

Joe Rogan 49:51 Yeah, they have different standards. I was in, uh, Germany, and I was flipping through the channels one time, and just raw porn was on regular TV.

Jimmy O. Yang 49:59 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 49:59 I was like, "Oh, okay." Just raw porn. Just regular porn. People were fucking.

Jimmy O. Yang 50:04 It's kinda cool.

Joe Rogan 50:05 I guess, for them. They're like, "You wanna watch people fuck? Here you go."

Jimmy O. Yang 50:08 (laughs) I- I- I don't get, I don't get the appeal of it 'cause there's Pornhub now.

Joe Rogan 50:14 I think what people are trying to do is what I'm saying about violence. Like, why are we so okay with overt, like, spectacular violence-

Jimmy O. Yang 50:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:23 ... but we're not okay with se-... Like, if you knew... Like, CGI is so good now.

Jimmy O. Yang 50:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:29 It's so good. You know, you can have monsters that aren't really there; they're all created by a computer.

Jimmy O. Yang 50:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:34 Why can't you have... Could you have CGI sex? Would people be okay with that? Or are we so freaked out by penetration that we don't even wanna watch fake penetration?

Jimmy O. Yang 50:45 Uh, n- nobody wants to get a boner next to their family in the theater.

Joe Rogan 50:48 Is that what it is?

Jimmy O. Yang 50:48 May- maybe it's a shame thing. Like, they, they feel-

Joe Rogan 50:51 But how? We're so distorted. We, we don't care if someone gets their brains beaten in. Like, one of the scenes on television that made me, uh, I abandoned, uh, Walking Dead-

Jimmy O. Yang 51:01 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:02 ... was when that n- what's his name? Negan? Is that his name? He beat Glenn to death with a baseball bat.

Jimmy O. Yang 51:08 I haven't seen it.

Joe Rogan 51:08 Beat him over the head, his fucking eyes hanging out-

Jimmy O. Yang 51:10 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:10 ... and he smacked-

Jimmy O. Yang 51:11 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:11 I'm like, "This is v- murder porn." Like, "What is this? Why are you making me watch this? This is not fun."

Jimmy O. Yang 51:16 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:16 I don't wanna watch someone get... Literally splatter. Like, he's beating him over the head, his brain is splattered like a, like a watermelon that dropped off the top of a building. It was terrible.

Jimmy O. Yang 51:24 Yeah. Uh-

Joe Rogan 51:25 That's okay? But you couldn't... If you had a scene-

Jimmy O. Yang 51:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:28 ... in that movie where, uh, uh, uh, a man went down on a woman who was eating her pussy and you could see him eating her pussy, people are like, "This is outrageous!"

Jimmy O. Yang 51:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:37 "This is disgusting! Get it off the TV!" She's enjoying it, every minute of it. She's got her feet up in the air, moaning.

Jimmy O. Yang 51:43 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 51:43 He's there, "Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." She's happy. N- uh, people would be like, "This is a terrible movie. You're a piece of shit. I can't believe you did this."

Jimmy O. Yang 51:51 I think it's shame. You gotta... Everybody watches porn and jerks off, but-

Joe Rogan 51:55 Not everybody.

Jimmy O. Yang 51:55 Y- you gotta... Wait, really?

Joe Rogan 51:56 There's like 40 or 50 people that don't even touch it.

Jimmy O. Yang 51:59 That's tough.

Joe Rogan 52:00 They're just ti- they're just out there drinking water and running.

Jimmy O. Yang 52:03 Yeah. Yeah, I don't, I don't trust those people. I used to, uh, uh... (laughs) My, my old, my old roommate, um, uh, uh, we used to watch Game of Thrones together. And, uh, great show, you know? But there's certain seasons that's slower than the other seasons. And I didn't like it because I was like, "Oh, I wish the storyline would go faster or the, you know, character would get developed faster." And my buddy, Terrell, he was just like, "Man, I'm gonna stop watching this show. There's, there hasn't been any fucking in the last four episodes."

Joe Rogan 52:29 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 52:30 And I, I didn't understand why he doesn't just go watch Pornhub or something. Like, why does he, he, he watch Game of Thrones only for the fucking? Nah.

Joe Rogan 52:39 Yeah. Some people are unique.

Jimmy O. Yang 52:41 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 52:42 They have a different take on things.

Jimmy O. Yang 52:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:44 But this, uh, brown bunny man, that tanked Vincent Gallo's career. I mean, you don't hear about him anymore. He was a big star. Like, he was in a lot of, like, really interesting movies that were well-respected and it was a big deal.

Jimmy O. Yang 52:58 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:58 And this one movie 17 years ago fucking ... (screeching sound)

Jimmy O. Yang 53:01 What's he doing now? He m- he might as well just double down and do porn.

Joe Rogan 53:05 No, I think he went back to doing movies, and I think he just does, you know, kind of obscure art house movies probably that... Is that the case, Jimmy? That people don't really know about that much? You just don't hear his name, and he's, it's a shame-

Jimmy O. Yang 53:18 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:18 ... 'cause he's a really fucking great actor.

Jimmy O. Yang 53:20 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:21 He just had this idea, and his logic, it's, it's, you know, it's trackable. Like, you get it. Like, w- I'm gonna... She's gonna actually blow me for real instead of, like, a scene where a woman... Like, if there was a scene they're making out and the girl goes down and you just see her head-

Jimmy O. Yang 53:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:38 ... and, and he's like, "Uh," and we're fine with that. We're fine with that.

Jimmy O. Yang 53:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:42 We don't wanna actually see a dick in a woman's mouth, though. Even though we know that's what it's supposed to be.

Jimmy O. Yang 53:46 Well, but also maybe it's because he produced it or wrote it. Like, that- that's like-

Joe Rogan 53:50 Yep.

Jimmy O. Yang 53:50 ... me writing-

Joe Rogan 53:50 Yep.

Jimmy O. Yang 53:50 ... a sex scene for myself. That's gross.

Joe Rogan 53:52 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 53:52 Like, that's Me Too for sure.

Joe Rogan 53:54 Well, unless y- your girlfriend was the actress and you guys talked about it and she's cool with it and she wanted to do it.

Jimmy O. Yang 54:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:01 I don't know what kind of relationship he had with Chloe Sevign- (stutters)

Jimmy O. Yang 54:04 Oy.

Joe Rogan 54:05 But, um ...

Jimmy O. Yang 54:07 (smacks lips) Well.

Joe Rogan 54:07 It- it... But that's the real, like, t- like, especially today in the Me Too era, you could fucking never get away with that, unless it was the girl's idea, you know? And like, so you'd have to get her on video saying, "It's my idea to suck your dick. I wanna do it." Like, you know? (laughs) You'd have to like... You'd have to get lawyers involved. They'd have to sign NDAs.

Jimmy O. Yang 54:25 I- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:25 People have to sign consent forms.

Jimmy O. Yang 54:27 I, I sadly have... I don't think I've ever had a sex scene in, uh, in, in anything.

Joe Rogan 54:31 I don't think that's sad. You should-

Jimmy O. Yang 54:33 Is it?

Joe Rogan 54:33 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 54:34 I j- I just feel-

Joe Rogan 54:34 It's fine.

Jimmy O. Yang 54:34 ... like, what? Am I, am I not ... Like, not a sex symbol to you guys?

Joe Rogan 54:37 D- is that what's bothering you?

Jimmy O. Yang 54:38 A little bit. I mean-

Joe Rogan 54:39 Time to write a movie, bro.

Jimmy O. Yang 54:41 Yeah, yeah. I've been. I've been. I still, uh, I still can't... I can't write my own sex scene. Somebody gotta write it for me.

Joe Rogan 54:47 Wasn't that a part of that ridiculously bad movie called The Room?

Jimmy O. Yang 54:51 (laughs) Yes. Oh-

Joe Rogan 54:52 ... where the guy wrote his own sex scene-

Jimmy O. Yang 54:54 Oh, so gross.

Joe Rogan 54:56 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 54:56 So gross. But the James Franco movie version was at, wa- wa- of it was qu- quite funny. And, and it's obviously kind of making fun of this guy. He has some, um, you know, some redeeming qualities. He's just, like, a dreamer. You know, good for him. But it's making fun of the guy, but he doesn't care. He just wants to ... Like, he was n- next to James Franco on stage at the Golden Globes and stuff. He just wants that fame.

Joe Rogan 55:18 Yeah. He just wants attention even if he's the, e- even if he's the nail.

Jimmy O. Yang 55:22 He, he, he-

Joe Rogan 55:22 He doesn't need to be the hammer.

Jimmy O. Yang 55:23 You know what the most insulting thing I, I've gotten? This is recent. I don't even know if I should talk about it. But anyways, I should, because it's just funny. You know, I'm at, I'm at the ... Finally, at this point in my career, people sense me scripts if I wanna do it, which is very flattering. I'm like, "Oh, great." So there's an email my agent sent me. It's like, "Either you're gonna be really angry at this or really happy about it." And I was like, "Oh, fuck." Not a good way to start.

Joe Rogan 55:45 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 55:45 An email from your agent.

Joe Rogan 55:47 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 55:47 And, um, they're like, "They want you to play a lead in this biopic." I was like, "Oh, shit. What's up?" You know? Like, "I'm ready." Uh, and then they're like, "Yeah, but, uh, it's the biopic of William Hung." I was like, "Brother, are you kidding me?"

Joe Rogan 56:00 Is that the Virginia's shooter?

Jimmy O. Yang 56:01 No, no, no, no, no.

Joe Rogan 56:02 No. Which one's ... Oh, that's that guy who's-

Jimmy O. Yang 56:04 He's the American Idol singer.

Joe Rogan 56:05 ... terrible singer? Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 56:06 She Bangs motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 56:07 Oh, I met that dude.

Jimmy O. Yang 56:09 Look, nothing wrong with the guy.

Joe Rogan 56:11 Oh, there's definitely something wrong with him.

Jimmy O. Yang 56:12 Well, yeah, yeah. But (laughs) yes, yes, yes. But he's not malicious. He-

Joe Rogan 56:15 No, no, no, no.

Jimmy O. Yang 56:16 Might be a little Asperger or something. I, I don't know-

Joe Rogan 56:18 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 56:18 ... wha- what, what it is. But th- (sighs)

Joe Rogan 56:21 I thought it was that, that one dude who was a shooter-

Jimmy O. Yang 56:24 I read-

Joe Rogan 56:24 ... at the university.

Jimmy O. Yang 56:25 Yeah. Yeah. That, that's tough too.

Joe Rogan 56:27 Virginia. Is that-

Jimmy O. Yang 56:27 I read all 115 pages of that script. I've never been so angry reading a script.

Joe Rogan 56:32 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 56:32 Like, I wanted to fucking vomit.

Joe Rogan 56:35 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 56:35 And i- i- i-

Joe Rogan 56:36 Why were you angry?

Jimmy O. Yang 56:38 Well, you gotta understand, I think, um, William Hung set us back, like, 10 years.

Joe Rogan 56:45 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 56:46 Look, nothing wrong with that brother. It's not his fault.

Joe Rogan 56:48 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 56:49 Maybe there's a very nuanced r- way to write this movie of why American Idol producers picked him outta the crowd and featured him just to make fun of him, and why the rest of America laughed at this guy.

Joe Rogan 57:01 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy O. Yang 57:01 That might be an interesting story.

Joe Rogan 57:03 Well, wasn't that the whole thing about American Idol? It's like you had real talent, but then you also had delusional people. And the-

Jimmy O. Yang 57:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:09 ... delusional people w- was part of the, the-

Jimmy O. Yang 57:11 Oh, it was funny.

Joe Rogan 57:12 ... thing. Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 57:12 I love watching that. But I think it just cuts so deep as an Asian guy. It's the opposite of Bruce Lee.

Joe Rogan 57:16 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy O. Yang 57:16 William Hung is the exact opposite of Bruce Lee.

Joe Rogan 57:19 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 57:20 And, and-

Joe Rogan 57:21 But he's g- ... There's something wrong with him, I mean, as a human being. Like, there's something to be said ... Like, I get that the guy signed a release, and I get that that's part of the fun with the show. But there is kind of a difference between people that are mentally challenged-

Jimmy O. Yang 57:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:38 ... and someone who's just not very talented.

Jimmy O. Yang 57:40 But people are laughing at him all the time.

Joe Rogan 57:41 Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

Jimmy O. Yang 57:42 You know?

Joe Rogan 57:42 He's mentally challenged. There's something wrong with him.

Jimmy O. Yang 57:45 When, when, when I say there's nothing wrong with him, I don't mean he's not, you know, autistic, mentally challenged-

Joe Rogan 57:49 Right, right.

Jimmy O. Yang 57:49 ... whatever it may be. I'm saying there's nothing wrong with his intentions.

Joe Rogan 57:53 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 57:53 He's a dreamer. He wanna make it.

Joe Rogan 57:55 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 57:56 Right?

Joe Rogan 57:56 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 57:56 So there's, sure, a very nuanced way to write about William Hung, um, that could work, but we just shouldn't make that movie. Have we ran out of Asian people out there-

Joe Rogan 58:07 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy O. Yang 58:07 ... that I can do biopics about and a fucking William Hung script lands on my desk?

Joe Rogan 58:12 Well, isn't that, that's a part of the problem with reality TV in general, right? It's like, what they're trying to do is ... Th- there's some reality TV that's based on actual events that are taking place, but a lot of it is like, they're taking ... You have to sign these releases on a lot of these shows that allow them to edit your words in a very-

Jimmy O. Yang 58:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:30 ... distorted way.

Jimmy O. Yang 58:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:31 Like, you can ha- ... L- you and I can have a conversation. You could have an answer to one question, and they'll put that answer on another question that's totally unrelated-

Jimmy O. Yang 58:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:40 ... that makes you look like a real piece of shit.

Jimmy O. Yang 58:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:42 And they're 100% allowed to do that.

Jimmy O. Yang 58:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:45 And they do that for the storyline. They do that for the narrative. They don't care about your reputation. They don't care about what happens when you go back home, people are like, "How can you fucking say that, Jimmy?" Like-

Jimmy O. Yang 58:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:53 ... "I didn't." Like-

Jimmy O. Yang 58:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:54 ... you don't have access to the raw tapes. You can't release ... You know, no one's gonna believe you. But that's ... They victimize people on purpose just so that they can make a good, what they call, a good show.

Jimmy O. Yang 59:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:05 But they're doing-

Jimmy O. Yang 59:05 I-

Joe Rogan 59:05 ... that with him, it's different, because he's got a problem. It's not like he's a guy ... Like, it's not like if I decided I was gonna be a singer-

Jimmy O. Yang 59:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:13 ... and I went on American, America's Got Talent, I was terrible.

Jimmy O. Yang 59:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:17 And I was, I'm singing and everybody just, they hit the buzzer, "Get the fuck out of here." Like-

Jimmy O. Yang 59:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:21 I'm, I can ... I'm a normal person. Like, if you think I suck, like, I probably suck.

Jimmy O. Yang 59:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:26 But if I have a problem, like a mental problem, like there's something wrong with me-

Jimmy O. Yang 59:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:31 ... and I do that, and you know there's something wrong with me and you still put me on television, that's where we're getting weird.

Jimmy O. Yang 59:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:37 That's where we're getting, like, "Are you pr- ... You're profiting off of pe-"

Jimmy O. Yang 59:39 Taking advantage of someone else.

Joe Rogan 59:41 Yes. Yeah. Yes. You're profiting off of someone who's clearly mentally handicapped in some, some way, shape, or form. If there's a spectrum-

Jimmy O. Yang 59:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:49 ... of mental disability, he's on that spectrum.

Jimmy O. Yang 59:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:52 It's not you, it's not Jamie, it's not me, it's not ... It's like, "Oh, he's a regular guy."

Jimmy O. Yang 59:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:56 He's ... You know, we're all different, but regular, like, you can talk to them.

Jimmy O. Yang 59:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:59 That guy's off. Something's a- ... You know he's off.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:00:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 But they like, "Perfect. Run it. Perfect. Line him up. We got a spotlight on him."

Jimmy O. Yang 1:00:06 Because people will laugh. They know people will laugh. And why are people laughing? You know, I ... Look, it's, it's tough being, uh, I guess one of few Asian actors in America, right? Uh, I'm very fortunate to be in that position. We all kind of know each other. It's a small circle. I'm very proud of all of us. But early on in my career, I got some flak, uh, from Silicon Valley. My, my character, you know, uh, it was a accented character. Um, which, I mean, for me it's a little different because I came to this country when I was 13. I couldn't really speak English. So I was like, "Okay, I'm just gonna play an earlier version of myself. I understand ... I'm gonna try to put some humanity in this character." But then some articles or whatever, it's like, "This is an offensive stereotype," blah, blah. And that really ... Looked into that. I was like, "Okay, I get it." Eventually the character became a more three-dimensional character 'cause the joke's no longer on him just being foreign, it's on him being, like, a diabolical coder person or that ...But it's tough being an Asian actor, 'cause now not only do I have to, uh, uh, uh, uh, decide on playing a part or not by looking at, "Oh, is this a good script?" I gotta look at the cultural ramifications, "Is this good representation?"

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 Mm.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:01:18 Because there's so few of us, each of us that does something means so much more, right? Uh, that was the beef with the Apu character-

Joe Rogan 1:01:25 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:01:25 ... because there wasn't a lot of Indian... Yeah, and then you characterize-

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:01:29 ... whatever. Now, that's what's great about, uh, uh, Crazy Rich Asians. And I had a lot of fun on that movie, because for one of the first times, I wasn't the only Asian dude on set and I could just play a character. My character is an asshole in that movie, but I can just lean into that and be a character actor and play it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 And it's a powerful, funny movie.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:01:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 It's a great production. It came out excellent. Everybody enjoyed it.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:01:53 And there's a-

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 It was all good.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:01:54 ... and there's a whole spectrum of Asians. It's not just one Asian representing all Asians.

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:01:59 There's your handsome Asians, your asshole Asians, the, uh, uh, romantic lead, and also the bitchy ex-girlfriend, whatever. So, we can just actually be actors for the first time-

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 Mm.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:02:09 ... and not be actor/Asian representative. So when something like William Hung comes to the table-

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:02:15 ... just can't do it, man.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 I get it.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:02:17 I mean, come on.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 I get it. You know, it's interesting that w- that, uh, it's like when someone gets offended at racial stereotypes, society puts it through this filter of whether or not it's valid. And I'll give you an example, The Sopranos.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:02:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 The, uh, Italian American Anti-Defamation League or whatever the fuck it is-

Jimmy O. Yang 1:02:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 ... I don't know, they were, they were pissed at The Sopranos. They were pissed that it was, uh, it was reinforcing negative stereotypes about Italians. And I'm Italian-

Jimmy O. Yang 1:02:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 ... and everyone I know that's Italian was like, "What-"

Jimmy O. Yang 1:02:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 ... "the fuck are you talking about?"

Jimmy O. Yang 1:02:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 Those are real people. I know guys like that.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:02:54 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 Like, this is offensive? What's offensive? Reality?

Jimmy O. Yang 1:02:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 Is the mob real? Are those fat guys real? Do they eat pasta like that?

Jimmy O. Yang 1:03:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 'Cause that's real.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:03:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 Like, that's not a... Because Italians aren't really discriminated against.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:03:09 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 So it's, it doesn't hold any water.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:03:11 Well, also, you are Italian. There's a ton of Italian actors, comedians out there. So, Sopranos is not the only place where you see Italians.

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Right, it's not the only representation.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:03:22 So, so that waters it down-

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:03:23 ... and it's fine.

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:03:24 'Cause white people, you can play a whatever, a mentally handicapped guy, not-so-smart guy, or complete asshole, because there's a million other white people.

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 But as soon as you play a mentally handicapped guy, it's over. That's a very dangerous m- That was, uh, Robert Downey Jr.-

Jimmy O. Yang 1:03:41 Oh, he was, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 ... in Tropic Thunder.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:03:42 ... Tropic Thunder.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 Never Go Full Retard.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:03:43 Never Go Full Retard.

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 (laughs)

Jimmy O. Yang 1:03:45 But didn't he get an Oscar nomination for being in blackface?

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 I hope he did. I mean, he, we talked about it on the podcast, and he was a l- it was like a da- Thank God we talked about it on the podcast months ago-

Jimmy O. Yang 1:03:59 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 ... and we didn't talk about it today. Because today, I wouldn't even bring it up. It's like today, people are getting can- The guy who's the fucking editor of Bon Appétit-

Jimmy O. Yang 1:04:08 Yeah, I saw that.

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 ... he, they got f- he got fired-

Jimmy O. Yang 1:04:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 ... for a photograph that he took dressing up like, I guess he's Puerto Rican. Like, that was a costume that he did.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:04:15 Like a brown face or something like that?

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 No brown face at all, just gold chains-

Jimmy O. Yang 1:04:18 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:04:18 ... and a hat that said The Bronx or something.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:04:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 I mean, it's, I think they said, they called it racially insensitive.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:04:25 Well, but that was kinda what I was talking about earlier though. Adam Rappaport. I, uh, you know, I'm a big fan of Bon Appétit, um, until like maybe then and then I gotta, "Okay, what's going on here?" Because, okay, the news came out with him in that picture.

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:04:37 But it's not that picture. And then his staff, there's this girl, uh, that was, uh, one of the only minorities on camera. She started saying, "Yes, I agree, not just that picture, but I'm the only maybe non-white person on camera that's not getting paid fairly. They just wanna push me on camera for diversity, but I get paid fractions of whatever the other paid people." And then even other white people spoke up and were like, "Yeah, we have some systematic stuff here we should look into."

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 Oh, at the-

Jimmy O. Yang 1:05:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 ... at the organization.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:05:04 Yeah, so it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 So it's a combination of things.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:05:06 Yeah, so if, if I have a Puerto Rican picture of me, I don't think people would start jumping on me and be like, "Yeah, he is kind of a dick," or whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 But here's, here's the example. If someone had a picture of them pretending to be Italian, nobody would give a fuck. If, if he had a tank top on with spaghetti stains on it and his hair greased back, no one would give a fuck. The problem may be that there's not enough representation in a positive way-

Jimmy O. Yang 1:05:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 ... of Puerto Ricans in the media. 'Cause like you have... Who's like, who are the most... There's a lot of famous Puerto Ricans-

Jimmy O. Yang 1:05:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 ... like who, who are f- give, give me examples of... I don't wanna get the wrong nationality with famous actors, but I, I'm very aware that there's a lot of famous Puerto Ricans-

Jimmy O. Yang 1:05:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 ... but maybe not enough. Maybe like, because if, if... Man, maybe it's the, maybe it's the timing of immigration too. Like my grandparents, when they came here, my, I talked to my grandfather a lot about it, they were horribly abused.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:06:04 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 And there was a lot of racism against Italians when they were initially immigrated in the early 1900s. But by the time I was a kid, it was gone.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:06:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 I mean, I experienced a little bit of it in Boston with Irish kids. They would make fun of me for being Italian or shit on me for being Italian. But by the time I was a grown man, it's like that kind... Like anti-Italian racism is nonexistent basically.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:06:25 'Cause you guys are just white kind of.

Joe Rogan 1:06:27 It's like COVID in Italy right now.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:06:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 Like it's, you can't even, you can't even find it.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:06:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 Like, do you see the new CDC? They were talking about COVID, like the, the v- the viral load in Italy right now is so small it's barely registering.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:06:41 Oh, wow, really?

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 Yeah.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:06:42 Because they were rough. They had it rough for a while.

Joe Rogan 1:06:44 They had it rough.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:06:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:45 They're not healthy. Again, these are my people.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:06:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:48 They fucking eat pasta, drink wine, they all smoke cigarettes, they live on top of each other.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:06:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:53 No one's washing their hands.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:06:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:54 There's no exercise. Try find... I was just having this conversation with Sebastian yesterday, we were joking around about this. He was like-

Jimmy O. Yang 1:07:00 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 ... he's like, "Try finding a fucking good gym in an Italian hotel."

Jimmy O. Yang 1:07:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 And it's totally true. Every time I'd go there, there'd be like some cable machine with some fucked up pulley system that's broken and-

Jimmy O. Yang 1:07:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:11 ... I just wound up doing push-ups and sit-ups and just run up the rocks or something. Like there's no gyms.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:07:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:16 Like the gym is a joke. No one over there is working out.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:07:19 Well, the thing is I don't think I, I, I want to say that or I could say that.

Joe Rogan 1:07:23 Right.

Jimmy O. Yang 1:07:23 I can't just do a bit about Italians not having gyms and being fat, right?

Joe Rogan 1:07:27 Right, but