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Joe Rogan Experience #1496 - Colion Noir

Colion Noir is a gun rights activist, lawyer, member of the National Rifle Association. Check out more of his content on his YouTube channel: @ColionNoir

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Jun 23, 20202h 54mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 2:41

    Glock shirt, portable safe gift, and Steven Seagal “Lawman” detour

    1. JR

      Boom, and we're live. Hey, great to see you. Thank you for being here. Appreciate you, man.

    2. CN

      Good to be back.

    3. JR

      Wore this just for you.

    4. CN

      Hey, yeah-

    5. JR

      Bam.

    6. CN

      ... I like it. I like it. (laughs)

    7. JR

      Um, and thank you for the gift too, man.

    8. CN

      You're just pandering at this point, brother.

    9. JR

      No.

    10. CN

      (laughs)

    11. JR

      Come on, man. I do... I, I wore this for you.

    12. CN

      (laughs)

    13. JR

      I, I had it. I knew I had it. I had to, I had to go find it.

    14. CN

      Yeah. (laughs)

    15. JR

      My daughter's friend's ex-boyfriend worked for Glock.

    16. CN

      Ah, okay.

    17. JR

      So-

    18. CN

      Okay.

    19. JR

      ... um, what we're talking about.

    20. CN

      Yeah. No, I had to get you a gift, man. So it's, uh, it's, uh, so my LifePod. It's, like, my portable safe 'cause you know out here in California, you have to... If you're gonna travel with a firearm-

    21. JR

      Right.

    22. CN

      ... it has to be in a locked case.

    23. JR

      Right.

    24. CN

      And so when I travel out here to California, I do bring a firearm with me. I can't carry 'cause my, you know, my license isn't recognized out here, but I can keep a gun in, like, my hotel and so forth now.

    25. JR

      What do you have to do t-... Like, Ted Nugent can carry everywhere.

    26. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    27. JR

      'Cause he's, like, a sheriff or some shit.

    28. CN

      Yeah. There's always, you know, you have those little special licenses, right?

    29. JR

      Yeah. You gotta, you gotta... (laughs)

    30. CN

      (laughs)

  2. 2:41 – 5:02

    “Pew pew” culture and why the lockdown triggered a Second Amendment mindset shift

    1. JR

      Oh. It says here the pew pew pew life.

    2. CN

      Pew pew life. Yeah. (laughs)

    3. JR

      Pew pew. Get it?

    4. CN

      (laughs)

    5. JR

      Gun people don't know what the fuck that means if you say-

    6. CN

      (laughs) The pew pew?

    7. JR

      ... the pew pew life.

    8. CN

      Yeah. Gun people or non-gun people?

    9. JR

      Non, excuse me, non-gun people.

    10. CN

      Yeah. No, they don't.

    11. JR

      Non-gun people.

    12. CN

      They don't. They're kind of like, "What church?" You mean, like, pews in a church or Catholic... And it's like, "No."

    13. JR

      Right. What does that mean, pew pew? Like, stinky?

    14. CN

      Yeah. Like, I, I w- I wore a shirt one time and the lady was like, "What's, what is pew pew?" And she's like, "What does that mean?" I was like, "Guns." She was like, "Oh."

    15. JR

      Oh, Jesus.

    16. CN

      And she goes-

    17. JR

      People, this is one of the reasons why I contacted you. I contacted you right when the looting hit.

    18. CN

      Uh-huh. (laughs)

    19. JR

      (laughs) Because-

    20. CN

      That's racist. (laughs)

    21. JR

      No. Because there were a lot of white people looting.

    22. CN

      There is. (laughs)

    23. JR

      Um, it was a thing where I recognized that there was a giant shift in people's perception of the Second Amendment.

    24. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    25. JR

      And I said, "This is a good time for you again."

    26. CN

      Appreciate it, brother.

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. CN

      Thank you.

    29. JR

      Because you're out there beating the drums and sounding the alarms. And all these people that are anti-Second Amendment people were a lot of these motherfuckers that were lined up in California trying to buy a gun last minute.

    30. CN

      Yep.

  3. 5:02 – 7:49

    Best-case vs worst-case gun owners—and the limits of laws against criminals

    1. JR

      Yeah. Well, you're a best case scenario, though.

    2. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      You're, you're a lawyer.

    4. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      You're super intelligent, and you're a really nice guy.

    6. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      But you also love guns.

    8. CN

      Yes.

    9. JR

      Look, what people are worried about is worst case scenario.

    10. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      They're worried about someone who's a criminal, who just wants to rob people, who has this ultimate power over folks. And that's what everybody's worried about when it comes to guns. They're worried about a school shooter.

    12. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    13. JR

      You know, they're worried about a mass murderer. They're worried about a guy who breaks into a mosque and starts gunning people down. That's what they're worried about.

    14. CN

      And that, that's... I, I totally get it.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. CN

      Like, I really, truly, honestly get it.

    17. JR

      I know you do.

    18. CN

      I can empathize and sympathize with that. But my whole thing is this. Once we move past that understanding of... So, you know, you have the best case scenario, which you pointed out was, theoretically, me, so to speak. And then you have the worst case scenario where you have, uh, you know, criminals, you have crazy people, mass shooters, things of that nature. Once we get out of that realm... So let's talk about the reality because, you know, there's overlaps, right?

    19. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    20. CN

      So I, I usually ask people, "Well, what law are you gonna come up with that's gonna completely stop that?"No one knows. Now, I'm not saying that because I have the absolute answer, but what I can tell you is this, if we don't know what law we can come up with that's going to completely stop that, 'cause you can say ban... You can ban all the guns tomorrow, you're still going to have crime. You're still going to have those crazy people doing those same things. We have 300 million, over 300 million guns in this country. Not going anywhere. You can ban them from law-abiding citizens and we'd have to deal with that as it comes, but at the end of the day, criminals are still going to get their hands on guns. And so what you have to understand and accept is, from a reality standpoint, if you know that, when all the barriers that are placed to prevent these things don't work, the only person that's going to be able to do anything about it is you. And you want the best thing possible, at your disposal, to contend against that. And that's, that's what the firearm does. I'm... Do I glorify firearms? To a degree, yes, but that's because I am a firearm enthusiast. I, I love them from a very practical, scientific, um-

    21. JR

      Engineering.

    22. CN

      Exactly. And even from a sports, uh, entertainment, all of those things, right? It, it's very holistic in that regard. But for people who are just understanding it from a practical perspective, like, okay, from self-defense, if that's the only box you wanted to live in, perfect, that makes per- that's perfectly fine with me. I just have a problem where people say things like, "Well, no one needs to have a firearm," but then you're co- perfectly aware of all the violence and everything else that goes on in this country, and you understand the limitations of the, of the first responders that we have in place to be able to prevent it. And if you understand that, theoretically speaking, you're on your own. And I don't mean that from the very sadistic kind of, um, you know, no way out kind of perspective, but it's just reality.

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. CN

      The reality of the case is, and we just learned, and we're learning it now with the whole COVID situation-

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. CN

      ... you're on your own.

  4. 7:49 – 10:49

    Shootings in New York & Chicago: concentrated violence, poverty, and broken systems

    1. JR

      Well, not just COVID, right? Like, how about, um, I have... My friend, John Joseph, he lives in New York City.

    2. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      And in New York City, there's, uh, there's a lot of cops that are quitting.

    4. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      And there's a lot of sh- crazy shit going on. He sent me a text message. He has a buddy that works in Harlem as a cop, and he said there was 28 shootings in one night, which is just fucking bonkers.

    6. CN

      (laughs) That is nuts.

    7. JR

      And this guy is like, uh, he said-

    8. CN

      And this, and this is New York?

    9. JR

      Yeah, this is in Harlem. So he sent me-

    10. CN

      Ke- ke-

    11. JR

      This is the list of all the shootings that he sent me. This is his, his buddy's 21 years old and he's working, um, in, uh, in Harlem.

    12. CN

      Keep, keep in mind, New York has, by far, some of the strictest gun con-

    13. JR

      Yes.

    14. CN

      It's literally one of the only places that, when I travel to, I will not bring a gun.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. CN

      Like... (laughs)

    17. JR

      I was going to bring that up, and then the other one I was going to bring up is Chicago-

    18. CN

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... which is very similar-

    20. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    21. JR

      ... in that regard.

    22. CN

      Very much so. Yeah.

    23. JR

      And there's a, there's a running total online, there's a website that shows all the shootings in Chicago, and it's fucking bonkers.

    24. CN

      Like, I mean, just look, look at what just happened Father's Day.

    25. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    26. CN

      I think it was like 102 people shot.

    27. JR

      Yeah. Yeah.

    28. CN

      Like, that's f- fucking ridiculous.

    29. JR

      Fucking crazy.

    30. CN

      And, but here's, here's the thing about that too, there's, there's a consistency and a pattern behind these types of shootings.

  5. 10:49 – 12:28

    Colion’s NRA status and the surge of new gun owners learning hard realities

    1. CN

      I've done two epi- when I was with the NRA, I did two sh- two episodes in South Side Chicago.

    2. JR

      Are you not with the NRA anymore?

    3. CN

      No. No, I'm not.

    4. JR

      How come?

    5. CN

      Uh, they're, the NRA and their ad- agency of record had a falling out, massive falling out. Um, I was basically collateral damage within that. So for whatever reason, after the falling out, I haven't had contact with the NRA for almost a year.

    6. JR

      So were you working for them?

    7. CN

      I... Yeah. Pretty much.

    8. JR

      Pretty much?

    9. CN

      I mean, in terms of... As much as, say, Don Lemon works for CNN.

    10. JR

      Okay. Well, he-

    11. CN

      You know what I'm saying?

    12. JR

      ... really works for CNN. They give him a fat check.

    13. CN

      Y- well that's, that's what I mean.

    14. JR

      (laughs)

    15. CN

      Well, I don't, I don't get Don Lemon. I didn't, wasn't getting Don Lemon money, but essentially what I was doing was I was a commentator and I was a host of my sh- of two shows on their platform.

    16. JR

      Oh. Okay.

    17. CN

      That's the, the extent.

    18. JR

      Okay.

    19. CN

      A lot of people thought I was an actual spokesperson.

    20. JR

      Are you still a member of the NRA?

    21. CN

      Yeah, I'm still a member of the NRA. Yeah.

    22. JR

      Okay. Okay. I thought maybe you had a falling out with the way the organization was run.

    23. CN

      No, no. The, they... It's just radio silence.

    24. JR

      Right. Oh.

    25. CN

      On, on their end.

    26. JR

      Oh.

    27. CN

      Yeah. (laughs)

    28. JR

      That's kind of weird.

    29. CN

      I, I d- I... The way I function, I just keep, I just keep moving. That's what I do.

    30. JR

      Smart.

  6. 12:28 – 17:08

    Waiting periods, instant background checks, and private sales loophole debates

    1. CN

      And the funny thing that... I used to get the biggest pushback from my defense of not having a waiting period for firearms. I used to get, I used to get a lot of pushback from that 'cause people were like, "Well, at least, you know, it gives people time to calm down and cool off." I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's cartoon land thinking. Somebody who's made a decision to kill somebody, it... They're going to kill them, or they're at least gonna make an attempt to do so.

    2. JR

      Maybe.

    3. CN

      The idea that, that somehow not being able to buy a gun immediately to, to commit that crime... I personally don't think it does anything. I don't. I think if I'm... If I've set out to commit some crime against someone and I go try to get a gun and I can't get a gun, I'm going to try to find another avenue by which to get that tool that I need to commit that crime.

    4. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    5. CN

      And so I... However, on the, uh, in the alternative, I can tell you actual stories about people trying to get firearms who needed them immediately, um, but couldn't get them, and thus probably died as a result of it. And so... And I, and I know other people, people like I've had... Hell, I've had girlfriends in the past who have dealt with situations with stalkers who were like, "Okay, I need, I need a gun for tonight because this person showed up at my house."

    6. JR

      Right.

    7. CN

      You know, things like that. And so-

    8. JR

      But don't you think that in order to safely assu- you, you wanna make sure that someone is not a dangerous, violent felon-

    9. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    10. JR

      ... before you sell them a gun?

    11. CN

      Absolutely.

    12. JR

      So there's got to be some kind of background check.

    13. CN

      Mm-hmm. We... And we have them.

    14. JR

      Right.

    15. CN

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      But how long do you think... You, you don't want a wait period.

    17. CN

      No, I'm against the wait period.

    18. JR

      And what is... The... So the logic is if... Like, say, if a woman knows that a guy is stalking her-

    19. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    20. JR

      ... and might show up at her house tonight, she wants to be able to have a gun.

    21. CN

      Absolutely.

    22. JR

      That makes sense to me.

    23. CN

      Yeah, mm-hmm.

    24. JR

      Um, but there's still gonna be a background check on that girl.

    25. CN

      Yes. So, so, so if she were to... So let's, let's kind of flush that out.

    26. JR

      Okay.

    27. CN

      So right now, if you go and buy a gun from a dealer, right? Someone who has a license to sell firearms as, uh, as a business, you, you have to have a background check.

    28. JR

      Right.

    29. CN

      And the background check's instant, but I think a lot of people misconstrue the, the fact that the background check is instant as being insufficient.

    30. JR

      Okay.

  7. 17:08 – 19:01

    Power surge interruption → censorship talk, shadow-banning, and platform reach

    1. JR

      Right. It doesn't matter if you make a lot... (object thuds) Yo, what happened? The government. They don't want us fucking around anymore, dude.

    2. CN

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      We're talking too much shit. That's the anti-gun lobby.

    4. CN

      Man, I'm telling you.

    5. JR

      They blew a fuse. Technically, my voice, audio is still recording with my backup, but everything else shut off. Oh, so the video shut off? Should we pause for a second here? This one's still going. It's the Russians.

    6. CN

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      Or the Chinese. Who do you think is attacking us? That one's going? The video's going? I think so. We're gonna hold, hold, folks. Hopefully nothing will happen here and they won't think that- Everything else shut off, though. Everything... Like what? iMac, recorder, recorder. Okay, well, let's turn everything back on just in case. All right. We'll just pause. Ladies and gentlemen, something happened. There was some sort of a power surge, so we'll just pause here for a second.

    8. CN

      It's a conspiracy.

    9. JR

      We'll come back. All right, we're back. So something happened, folks. Sorry, we had some sort of a power surge. Um, all the lights went out for a second and popped back on. It was like a pop. I don't know. We don't know what...Never had that happen before. It's the fucking Russians or the Chinese or the-

    10. CN

      I don't know, man.

    11. JR

      ... aliens.

    12. CN

      I've been ha- been, I've been having some weird things happen on my end, so I wouldn't be surprised.

    13. JR

      J- yeah. That was... I was gonna ask you that. Do you feel like because you have this pro-Second Amendment message, do you think people fuck with you? Because, like...

    14. CN

      (laughs)

    15. JR

      You're a... Like, if I was someone who had an anti-Second Amendment message-

    16. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    17. JR

      ... you're the biggest nightmare.

    18. CN

      (laughs)

    19. JR

      A lawyer who's a friendly guy-

    20. CN

      Mm.

    21. JR

      ... good-looking, articulate, really good at media. You're always doing things and you have a passion for these guns and you talk about them like... You, you did this thing where you were walking around, there was a bunch of tires around and you're like smiling, "Goddamn, I love this gun."

    22. CN

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      Da-da-da. And you're shooting it and you're talking and, like, that motherfucker loves guns. Like, this isn't a joke.

    24. CN

      Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

    25. JR

      That you love guns the way I love muscle cars-

    26. CN

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      ... or, or bows. Or, you know, you're... I mean, I love guns too.

  8. 19:01 – 21:51

    Cars as passion: Astons, Ferraris, GT3s—and the “mechanical feel” analogy to guns

    1. CN

      You know... You know what the funny thing is, you know what I love slightly more than guns?

    2. JR

      What?

    3. CN

      Cars.

    4. JR

      Do you?

    5. CN

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      What kind of cars?

    7. CN

      I'm, I'm more into, like, the, the, the vanity, superficial level of cars, like-

    8. JR

      Oh.

    9. CN

      ... like, Astons-

    10. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    11. CN

      ... Ferraris, Porsches, and things of that nature.

    12. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    13. CN

      Yeah. That's my, that's my... That's where my heart really thumps.

    14. JR

      Mm.

    15. CN

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      I'm into cars that make me feel.

    17. CN

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      Like, I feel something. (imitates engine revving)

    19. CN

      Well, I'm-

    20. JR

      Like, like a m- manual transmissions, you know?

    21. CN

      Well, I consider... So my, my favorite brand is Aston Martin.

    22. JR

      It's a great car.

    23. CN

      And so I consider that the English muscle car.

    24. JR

      Mm.

    25. CN

      Um, because largely they are... They... All the sensorial effects that you get from an American muscle car, generally speaking, with a little bit more refinement, you get from Aston Martins. But then they also go wrong and they also lose value incredibly.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. CN

      And so... (laughs)

    28. JR

      The go wrong part-

    29. CN

      Yeah, yeah.

    30. JR

      ... Dane Cook was telling me about that.

  9. 21:51 – 28:54

    Elmer Fudd loses the gun: media symbolism, ARs for hunting, and “victim vs empowered” framing

    1. JR

      Do you know that in the hunting world, um, there's, like, a, a dispute between the hunting world and the tactical world and the gun enthusiast world? And they're called the Hunting World Fudds.

    2. CN

      Fudds. (laughs)

    3. JR

      Yes, you do know. The Fudds, like, meaning Elmer Fudd.

    4. CN

      Yeah, yeah.

    5. JR

      And what's ironic-

    6. CN

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      ... is the new Warner Brothers, they cut out the gun. There's a new remake of Elmer Fudd. Now, this is where it gets crazy, folks. Elmer Fudd, who's always been hunting Bugs Bunny, now he's hunting Bugs Bunny with a scythe-

    8. CN

      Scythe? That is-

    9. JR

      ... which is so evil.

    10. CN

      It's disturbing as shit.

    11. JR

      It's the evilest shit ever.

    12. CN

      You, you look at it and you're like... Even, like, it literally made me go, "Oh, shit." Like...

    13. JR

      If Elmer shoots Bugs Bunny with a shotgun, at least he dies quick. He's-

    14. CN

      Scythe, you're hacking away, man. You're just-

    15. JR

      It's so... What...

    16. CN

      (laughs)

    17. JR

      And he's still allowed to use dynamite. They're still using dynamite. So they're using explosives, but they can't use a firearm anymore.

    18. CN

      Yeah. I actually did a video on it.

    19. JR

      Did you?

    20. CN

      Yeah, yeah. And one of the writers basically said his justification for it was, you know, during the time when they were working on the, on the actual cartoon, it happened really close to the Vegas shooting.

    21. JR

      Oh.

    22. CN

      And so they were like, everyone in media wanted to stay away from guns. So I'm like, "But the scythe and explosions are okay?"

    23. JR

      Yo, look at this.

    24. CN

      (laughs)

    25. JR

      Give me, give me a, a... Let me play some of this just so I can look at it. We can. Can you? We can. But just have it in the background, just so I can... I just wanna see what this looks like when he's running around with a scythe. Oh, here it goes.

    26. CN

      (laughs)

    27. JR

      Oh, there's something weird, man, about redoing the past.

    28. CN

      I...

    29. JR

      You know? Looney Tunes. So this is a new version, right?

    30. CN

      Mm-hmm.

  10. 28:54 – 43:39

    Policing, Atlanta shooting controversy, training gaps, and the ‘defund’ semantic split

    1. JR

      You hear what's going on in Atlanta?

    2. CN

      Mm-mm.

    3. JR

      Cops are just not responding.

    4. CN

      Yeah. And it's a, that's a huge, huge reality though for a lot of people.

    5. JR

      Yeah, we got a lot of messages from people. I got a lot of messages from cops that think that I had a bad take on the Atlanta case-

    6. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      ... 'cause the, the guy, um, stole the st- he stole a taser and then they shot him.

    8. CN

      Yeah. Mm-hmm.

    9. JR

      And they ... You know, what they were saying to me is essentially that this guy had a criminal history and that just because someone is com- being compliant doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have an ... evil intentions.

    10. CN

      Intentions. Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      They're just, they're just waiting to do something.

    12. CN

      Something.

    13. JR

      And then this guy got in a tussle with the cop. I understand what they're saying.

    14. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    15. JR

      But given the current climate, shooting a guy with a taser that doesn't work, you know, 'cause that's ... Jamie, that's the case, right? The taser didn't work? That's what (clears throat) that's what I had read, yes. That as they said, it already been fired twice. So that means it- it's done, but- Do we know that for a fact? It's what I read. Could we pull that up just in case? Yeah. 'Cause we are- All right. ... talking on a podcast that millions of people are gonna hear. Um, I don't want anybody to m- misunderstand me.

    16. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    17. JR

      I, I have two positions. One, I think it's really hard to be a cop.

    18. CN

      (laughs)

    19. JR

      Really-

    20. CN

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      ... really, really fucking hard to be a cop. And I think the defunding of the cops is a terrible idea. I think they need way more money and I think they need training.

    22. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    23. JR

      And I had Jocko Willink who's a former Navy SEAL.

    24. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    25. JR

      And, uh, he was a commander and he would, he would set up testing.And he would set up, uh, training rather. And that's what they need. They need constant training. Jaka was saying he thinks they should be training 20% of the time.

    26. CN

      Yeah. I mean, I, I honestly probably train a lot more than a lot of cops.

    27. JR

      I bet you've trained way more-

    28. CN

      Way more than... Yeah.

    29. JR

      ... than most cops.

    30. CN

      Yeah.

  11. 43:39 – 59:51

    BLM sentiment vs organization: Marxism claims, co-opting protests, and polarization

    1. CN

      I think, (sighs) a lot of this movement has been co-opted.

    2. JR

      By?

    3. CN

      (laughs) And I always, always hesitate because I, I, like I said, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I have to call a spade a spade. There are a lot of, there are a lot of subversive, there's a subversive group in this country that wants to topple the, the current structure of the United States-

    4. JR

      Yes.

    5. CN

      ... so that they can gain power because they think they can rule better.

    6. JR

      Yes.

    7. CN

      And a lot of those people, generally speaking, are Marxist.

    8. JR

      Yes.

    9. CN

      That's pretty much it. They're the, the, that's why, like, I make a delineation when people are asking me about Black Lives Matter, for instance. Black Lives Matter the sentiment I can get down with, Black Lives Matter the organization I cannot.

    10. JR

      And why is that?

    11. CN

      Because they are not for the same thing. They are not.

    12. JR

      So what do you think they-

    13. CN

      The, the up, the, the leader, the, the founders of Black matter, like, the founders of Black Lives Matter literally just came out and basically said she's a trained Marx. She didn't basically say it, she said it blatantly, she's a trained Marxist. She, the both of them, the founders of Black Lives Matter, the organization-

    14. JR

      Are these the same-

    15. CN

      ... are both trained Marxists too.

    16. JR

      ... folks that went on stage with Bernie Sanders at one time?

    17. CN

      I believe so. Don't quote me on that.

    18. JR

      And took the mic from him?

    19. CN

      Whoever the two women are who were, who were the founders of Black Lives Matters, the organization, they are trained Marxists. Said it with their own mouth on the show.

    20. JR

      And what, so what is their goal? What do they want?

    21. CN

      Well, what do Marxists want? They wanna topple the current structure. They utilize, they have, they have their use, so to speak, their useful idiots that create, that, that create chaos to topple whatever structure is in place so that they can come in and fill the vacuum. And then what do they do with the useless cha- what do they do with the useful idiots? They dispose of them because they are rebellious in nature, and thus, will topple the power structure that's in place then. So that's a-

    22. JR

      So who are the useful idiots that you think they are utilizing?

    23. CN

      The people running around screaming Black Lives Matters while rioting and looting.

    24. JR

      Yes.

    25. CN

      Not protesting-

    26. JR

      Right.

    27. CN

      ... but rioting and looting.

    28. JR

      That's the distinction.

    29. CN

      Yeah, mm-hmm.

    30. JR

      And this is what I did a shitty job of explaining. There's a lot of people that are out there protesting and I don't necessarily think they understand what, like, what needs to be done.

  12. 59:51 – 1:06:29

    Government competence: stimulus failures, personal responsibility, and fixing chronic poverty

    1. JR

      Here's where I'm a fan of big government-

    2. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      ... and I wish it did a better job. When the COVID shit went down-

    4. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      ... and no one could work... Now, it turned out that COVID was not nearly as deadly as we were worried it was.

    6. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      But it could have been.

    8. CN

      Yes.

    9. JR

      And no one could work and that's why everybody stayed locked up.

    10. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      When that happened, that's when we needed money.That's why we needed stimulus checks. That's why we needed people to get that 1,200 bucks that they only handed out once.

    12. CN

      (laughs)

    13. JR

      Like, how fucking crazy-

    14. CN

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      ... is that? They, they handed out trillions of dollars to all these corporations and they handed 1,200-

    16. CN

      (laughs)

    17. JR

      ... bucks out once to a, I mean, I don't know how any people got it-

    18. CN

      I don't know either, but-

    19. JR

      ... but that's not enough for humans to live off of-

    20. CN

      But you're right.

    21. JR

      ... for three fucking months.

    22. CN

      If there was a time to ever do that, it was then.

    23. JR

      It was then.

    24. CN

      It was then. Yeah.

    25. JR

      That was the time where big government made sense.

    26. CN

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      And it didn't work out.

    28. CN

      No, it didn't.

    29. JR

      And there was all these empty promises. And it's like, they got away with giving out one check and then they stopped.

    30. CN

      Yeah.

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