Joe Rogan Experience #1497 - Joe Schilling

Joe Rogan 0:01 Stitch 'em up. What's up, brother?

Joe Schilling 0:04 How you doing, Joe?

Joe Rogan 0:05 We're going ... We're, we're, we're rolling.

Joe Schilling 0:06 Rolling.

Joe Rogan 0:07 So, um, I've been talking about you a lot lately.

Joe Schilling 0:09 I appreciate that.

Joe Rogan 0:10 First of all, you know I love you.

Joe Schilling 0:11 I love you too.

Joe Rogan 0:12 But it's also, your Instagram page has become a highlight of police brutality. And, um, I know you take a lot of shit for it, but I think it's very important. And we were just talking about this. I think it's important not just for the people, but I think it's important for the police. I think it's important for police reform. I think they need to see, like, this is, this is what happens when you have shitty people doing this very fucking difficult job, and you got a lot of them.

Joe Schilling 0:39 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:41 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 0:41 I think, you know, my thing was it just became ... A- everybody just always says, "Well, it's, it's only a few bad apples, a few bad apples, a few bad apples." And I'm like, "Well, I could just show you there's a lot of these bad apples." You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 0:52 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 0:52 And I think that, like you said, it's better for future police. But if they're so scared to do their job, it's because everyone hates them. It's because everybody hates them 'cause they're constantly being dickheads to everybody, that makes it worse for the good cops. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:06 I, I do know what you mean. We, we ... I was talking about this the other day with Colion Noir, and we were saying that it's a job that is almost impossible to do for the average person. You need to be, like, a fucking Navy SEAL. You need to be, like, a person who's gone through some rigorous training and a person who really understands how to defuse situations. You need to be a person who knows how to keep your shit together, a person who knows how to respect people. They need a lot more training. Jocko Willink was talking about that.

Joe Schilling 1:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:34 He said, "I think they should have 20% training." He goes, "They, they train for, like, you know, a couple of weeks."

Joe Schilling 1:40 Like, nine weeks or something.

Joe Rogan 1:41 Yeah. "And then it's over. And then they're out there in the field." He goes, "I think-"

Joe Schilling 1:44 You know what?

Joe Rogan 1:44 "... 20% of their time should be spent training."

Joe Schilling 1:46 I don't mean to interrupt you, but you know what's even worse than that, is it's not nine weeks and then they're in the field. In LA County, you wanna be a sheriff, it's nine weeks or however long. And if it's 10 weeks, I'm sorry, or 12 weeks, it's not that many weeks. Right out of the academy, you go straight to two years in the s- in the jail. They're like, oh, all the s- all the human interaction you've had before you went to the academy, now we're gonna surround you by the worst examples of everybody for two years. And then you're gonna go on the streets and try to be normal.

Joe Rogan 2:13 You go to jails for two years?

Joe Schilling 2:14 Two-year minimum.

Joe Rogan 2:16 What?

Joe Schilling 2:16 All, all sheriffs have to do-

Joe Rogan 2:18 That's probably 'cause they just need people in the jails, right?

Joe Schilling 2:21 Well, that goes back to what ... Uh. I mean, I feel like they, uh ... Oh, we got a long way to-

Joe Rogan 2:26 There's a lot of shit going on there.

Joe Schilling 2:28 We got a long way to go.

Joe Rogan 2:28 There's a lot of shit going on there. First of all, there's private prisons, then there's drug laws. That's, that's ... Those are the two big ones. You wanna find out why the fucking prisons are filled up with people, those are two big ones right there. How many people are in jail for shit they should never be in jail for? Decisions that other people make with their own body that doesn't harm anybody other than themselves. You could buy alcohol, but you can't buy coke, you can't buy weed, you can't buy ...

Joe Schilling 2:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:52 Non-violent drug offenses is a giant percentage of the population.

Joe Schilling 2:56 And then you said, like, you, you ... They go to jail for that because they made a mistake. But then they don't just get out of jail and they're free. They put you on probation, and they put these extended five years probation. Anything's a probation violation.

Joe Rogan 3:08 Yep.

Joe Schilling 3:08 And then they just keep you back into that same system, back into the same system-

Joe Rogan 3:11 Yep.

Joe Schilling 3:11 ... back to the same system. You know, Father's Day, I was, uh, I was out back. I did, like, a post around my kids. I'm re- ... You know I'm really proud of my kids. So I did a post on Father's Day, then I was like, "Man, it's Father's Day, I'm gonna chill, I'ma smoke a joint, fucking crack a beer." It's like, 10:00 in the morning, I can do that on Father's Day, you know? And, uh, I'm sitting there and I'm r- I smoke a joint, and I'm like, "Oh, I'm gonna do a post for Ignite." Shout-out to Ignite. And, uh, I'm like ... It hit me, like, it's Father's Day. How many fathers are in prison right now, still, to this day, over something that I can do legally and post on the Instagram now?

Joe Rogan 3:43 Right.

Joe Schilling 3:43 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 3:44 Not only that-

Joe Schilling 3:44 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 3:45 ... in jail for something that's now an essential. Like, it's a, it-

Joe Schilling 3:48 It is essential.

Joe Rogan 3:48 ... an essential thing that you can do during COVID. Like, when everything was locked down, you could still buy weed.

Joe Schilling 3:53 It's nuts.

Joe Rogan 3:54 It's crazy.

Joe Schilling 3:55 And then you can't just blindly turn your eye-... like, turn your eyes to all this stuff.

Joe Rogan 3:58 No.

Joe Schilling 3:58 You know, with everything going on in the world, it's like, that's why I'm putting this stuff on, on my Instagram.

Joe Rogan 4:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 4:03 'Cause it needs to be seen.

Joe Rogan 4:04 Yeah, it's ... I'm glad you're doing it, you know?

Joe Schilling 4:06 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 4:06 And I know you take a lot of hate for it, and that's one of the reasons why I highlighted it. I wanna shine people your way and let them know. Like, you're, you're doing ... You're not doing this 'cause you're a dickhead. You're doing it because you're, you're showing horrible shit. There's a video that you show that I, I've watched so many times, man. There's a, the, the cop that, uh, rear naked chokes that lady and throws her to the ground for no reason.

Joe Schilling 4:25 Horrendous.

Joe Rogan 4:26 No reason.

Joe Schilling 4:27 Horrendous. And then you would see him ... Like, some days I'm like ... Sometimes I don't have time, I'm not even gonna look at the comments 'cause I don't really wanna go there. But some days, like, today I got time. I will battle with these fucking assholes in the comments all day long. They'll defend that. "Well, she shouldn't have resisted." I want, I want context. Show me context. Like, if that was your mom, what, what scenario or context are you looking for that that would be okay for a guy-

Joe Rogan 4:50 Or your lady.

Joe Schilling 4:50 ... to jump on her back? Or your daughter.

Joe Rogan 4:52 Yeah. Or your daughter.

Joe Schilling 4:52 Or your grandma.

Joe Rogan 4:53 Yeah, Jesus Christ.

Joe Schilling 4:54 It's nuts. It's nuts.

Joe Rogan 4:56 It's people that shouldn't be cops. And it's too easy to be a cop.

Joe Schilling 4:59 It's too easy.

Joe Rogan 5:00 And they don't get paid enough.

Joe Schilling 5:01 You could be-

Joe Rogan 5:02 And they don't, they don't get trained well enough. And this defunding the police shit is the wrong way to handle it. I know they think it's the right way to handle it. "Yeah, we're just ... These cops are bad, we'll just take away all the money." Oh, my God, you're gonna create fucking chaos.

Joe Schilling 5:13 I don't know, I haven't looked into the defunding thing a lot. I've heard it ... heard about it a lot. But when you talk about defunding, let's talk about why do, why do these cops need fucking tanks in downtown? Why do these cops need all these AR-15s and full bullet ... Like, what is all ... What are we training for?

Joe Rogan 5:28 We're sh- trying to scare people, and that's, that's all the-

Joe Schilling 5:30 Why are we, why are we spending all of these tax dollars to scare people? And then-

Joe Rogan 5:33 I'm gonna show you some shit that John Joseph sent me, my buddy John Joseph from The Cro-Mags. He's, um ... This is a show that people who have different points of view can be good friends, 'cause he's a good friend of mine. He wrote a book called Meat is for Pussies.

Joe Schilling 5:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:47 So there you go, folks. We can all get along. We really can, you fucking idiots. (laughs)

Joe Schilling 5:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:52 But any- but anyway, he, uh, he sent me some shit. His friend is, uh, he's working homicide in Harlem. And 21 people got shot the other day because nobody wants to be a cop there anymore. So it's fucking madness. Like, he said, "It is madness in New York City."... like, literally. Goddamn it, where can't I find it? Like, nobody wants to do the fucking job. He's like, "It's, it's crazy down there."

Joe Schilling 6:17 They didn't wanna do the job before, and they don't wanna do the job now that the heat and the spotlight is on them-

Joe Rogan 6:21 Both.

Joe Schilling 6:21 ... and how everybody's r- resigning. "Well, if I can't, if I can't do whatever I want and have absolute immunity, then I don't want the job anymore." He shouldn't have had the fucking job to begin with.

Joe Rogan 6:29 That's a good point too.

Joe Schilling 6:30 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 6:30 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 6:30 Like, why did you have the job?

Joe Rogan 6:32 All right, look at this. This is all the fucking people that got shot the other night. That's one day. This is what's ... That's what happens when there's no cops. When there's no cops and no one's policing anything, people just go HAM. I mean, that's what you saw in Santa Monica. Santa Monica is as white as Wonder Bread, right?

Joe Schilling 6:49 It's crazy, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:50 And, and it was crazy during the looting. I mean crazy. The cops were told to stand down. They were told to stand around and watch. So, the whole thing of, you know, "Hey, w- you need the cops. When you call them, you need them. When shit goes crazy, the cops are there for you." Not that time. The sheriff actually told them to not do anything. So people were smashing windows and stealing things, and they're standing around and there's, there's videos of this one guy running around the street pointing guns at people, cars smashing into each other. It's like a movie.

Joe Schilling 7:19 What was the point of telling them to stand down?

Joe Rogan 7:21 I think they-

Joe Schilling 7:22 Where, where did-

Joe Rogan 7:23 ... thought that people were gonna burn all this anger out, the George Floyd anger, and that somehow or another, like, let them do it and then we'll clean up the mess. It's just incompetent policing. It's incompetent leadership.

Joe Schilling 7:34 So does the person that made that choice, do we vote for him? 'Cause everybody should probably-

Joe Rogan 7:37 It's a girl.

Joe Schilling 7:38 Oh, that, for her? Like, these are the kind of decisions that need to be made. I mean, you have to ask yourself, why would they ... What was the purpose in telling them that?

Joe Rogan 7:45 Well, this is a liberal, uh, progressive perspective. They, this is, uh, something that they've tried in a bunch of different cities. They also ... De Blasio did the same thing in New York City. The cops were literally told to stand down. And they, the cops are standing there, and they're do- they're doing nothing while people are ... This fucking video's ... The videos from New York City are the nuttiest, 'cause people are filming them from their apartments.

Joe Schilling 8:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:04 So they're looking down on the street while cars are running people over and people are smashing into windows and running in and stealing stuff. Like, all these kids just wanting free shit. Nothing to do with black lives for the most part.

Joe Schilling 8:15 No, nothing.

Joe Rogan 8:15 A lot of them were just opportunists looking for stealing, and then also caught up in the chaos of the smashing windows and stealing stuff, and then the cops aren't doing anything and they're young, and they've been out of work for three fucking months. And everybody's-

Joe Schilling 8:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:28 ... broke. It's just so many factors compounded together, but Giuliani was actually on Fox News talking about there's a, a particular, like, political perspective on how to deal with looting and riots in these particular situations, and the idea is to let it burn out. Let these people burn it out of their system, but that it doesn't work. He's like, "This is an outdated style of, of policing that they, they figured out doesn't work in like the '60s and '70s."

Joe Schilling 8:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:52 "But there's a lot of progressive people that are in p- positions of leadership that still think it's a good idea."

Joe Schilling 8:58 It seems like a terrible idea, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:59 Well, nobody knows really what the fuck to do when everything goes haywire. It's like theories. Like, what's the theo- like, what do you do? Well, you better protect lives, but don't worry about property, 'cause everything's gone nuts. And then the other perspective is send in the fucking National Guard, and everybody's like, "Don't do that, that's the military." So, I don't know what the correct perspective is. And thank God I'm not a fucking governor or a mayor. That's when you know things are fucked, if someone like me ever gets to a position like that.

Joe Schilling 9:22 Yeah, I don't know, part of me thinks that the National Guard would be service, you know, off-duty servicemen or however that works, that are from this city or from the area, would probably do a lot better job and get more respect than the police that are driving around shooting kids with pepper balls and doing all this crazy shit we're seeing everywhere.

Joe Rogan 9:39 You would say that, but one of the most egregious videos of police brutality was the National Guard in Minnesota where those girls were on their porch, I don't know if you saw that one.

Joe Schilling 9:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:48 And they're, they're wa- these National Guard dickheads are walking down the street like, "Get inside! Get inside!"

Joe Schilling 9:53 I did see that one.

Joe Rogan 9:53 And they go, "Light them up!" And they're shooting rubber bullets at these fucking girls in their house.

Joe Schilling 9:59 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 9:59 They're on their porch.

Joe Schilling 10:00 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 10:00 These girls got hit.

Joe Schilling 10:02 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 10:02 And she's like, "Ow, fuck!" And she's like inside her house. And then a bunch of people have lost eyes. There's a bunch of people who've lost eyes during this.

Joe Schilling 10:09 Oh, yeah. There's so many ... And everyone now, everyone's just tagging me in videos and it, it's like-

Joe Rogan 10:13 Oh, yeah.

Joe Schilling 10:13 ... overwhelming. That kid that got shot in the face, other one lost his eye, like-

Joe Rogan 10:16 Yeah, mel- multiple-

Joe Schilling 10:17 You know?

Joe Rogan 10:17 ... people have lost their eye.

Joe Schilling 10:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:19 Journalists have lost their eyes.

Joe Schilling 10:20 The video I posted of that guy, they're like all squared up, like at a ... He's like walking to him, talking shit or whatever-

Joe Rogan 10:26 Yes.

Joe Schilling 10:26 ... and he's like smoking a cigarette. And they mace him in the face and he turns around like a fucking G, like hits the cigarette like what a dick, turns back and they shoot him in the face point blank with like a, I think it's a-

Joe Rogan 10:36 Canister.

Joe Schilling 10:36 ... tear gas canister.

Joe Rogan 10:37 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 10:37 To the face.

Joe Rogan 10:38 In the face. I saw it. I mean, it ex- explodes in his face. You know, who knows what happened to that guy.

Joe Schilling 10:43 You know?

Joe Rogan 10:44 But it's ... Yeah, that is not serving or protecting.

Joe Schilling 10:48 On any level.

Joe Rogan 10:48 It's neither of those things.

Joe Schilling 10:49 On any level.

Joe Rogan 10:49 On any level. And you know, I get it, man. Look, there's a fucking video ... We wanna talk about the other perspective. There's a video. Go to Hector Lombard's Instagram. There's a video ... I mean, this is where it gets really squirrelly, 'cause there's this dumb white guy who's in the face of this Black cop. The Black cop's not doing anything, he's doing his job.

Joe Schilling 11:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:10 And this guy's calling him a bitch, he's calling him all these terrible names. He's inches from him, he's like ... This scrawny ass man-bun-wearing dickhead is in this cop's face like, w- what happened to Black Lives Matter? Like if this is Black Lives Matter, you ... This is a Black guy.

Joe Schilling 11:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:26 Like, what are you doing? He's not even doing anything, man. He's standing there trying to keep the peace and you're fucking with him and inciting him. It's people, man. It's people. People ... There's a lot of us suck, and in pressure situations, a lot of us suck.

Joe Schilling 11:42 100%.

Joe Rogan 11:43 And, and these cops that you're seeing that are doing these horrible things, they're just fucking people, man. And if you give a person that insane power to mace a guy in the face and then shoot him in the head with a fucking tear gas canister, that guy's gotta be held accountable. And you gotta make sure that never fucking happens again. And if you ... That video should be used for training purposes.

Joe Schilling 12:03 But everybody else on that, that day, they say like, "There's good cops." Everybody else on that guy's team knows that guy.

Joe Rogan 12:09 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 12:09 You know what I mean? They know that guy.

Joe Rogan 12:10 They do, yeah.

Joe Schilling 12:10 You're in a locker room with all your buddies or whatever, you know who cheats on his wife and who doesn't. Like, you know that guy. You know that guy's a fucking asshole, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 12:18 Right, right.

Joe Schilling 12:18 So-

Joe Rogan 12:19 ... but what do you do?

Joe Schilling 12:20 It's just like, I'm-

Joe Rogan 12:21 I mean, the- the-

Joe Schilling 12:21 ... I look at it-

Joe Rogan 12:22 ... th- they feel like they can't do anything because those people protect them. If they're, they're in the middle of a fucking shootout, they don't want to be the guy that doesn't get backup 'cause you ratted out the guy that shot the guy with a tear canister.

Joe Schilling 12:34 Well, if that's the problem that we're facing, then it's time to clear in- clean house and start all over again, and everybody needs to be... You're all fired, and then you can reapply for your job, but you're getting reapply for your job from a completely different, um, system or a comple- completely different interview process, somebody that's not attached to you. Because if that's the problem that you have is now I can't tru- these guys aren't gonna trust me, then what are, what are we supposed to do? Just say it's okay every time that happens?

Joe Rogan 13:00 Yeah. We shouldn't. We, we definitely shouldn't say it's okay. Th- they need reform. There's no question about it. Anybody who says they don't need reform needs to go to the Joe Schilling's Instagram page.

Joe Schilling 13:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:09 And (laughs) for real. That o- the other one-

Joe Schilling 13:11 Joe underscore Schilling.

Joe Rogan 13:13 ... the old man, that fucking old man that gets push- pushed down and cracks his fucking head, and then those guys in solidarity quit and walk off the job.

Joe Schilling 13:22 Yeah. And then when the guys get released from whatever cops got charged or released from whatever, they're all... All the other cops are outside plazing them.

Joe Rogan 13:29 Yeah. You can't push an old guy to the ground and he cracks his head open and you walk away. I don't know what that old guy said to them. I mean, he was apparently an old hippie that's, like, been a, a peace activist forever. And, you know, he's like 80-something years old or something like that. He's a really old man. Like when that... 70-something years old? Do you remember?

Joe Schilling 13:49 75.

Joe Rogan 13:50 75? When he gets pushed, man, you could see he's feeble. He falls. He has no control over his body and bangs his fucking head off the concrete, and they just leave him there, man. They just leave him there. No one's doing CPR, no one's calling a medic, no one's checking him, no one's holding his hand. No one's doing a goddamn thing. Like, you just watched an assault. You watched an assault on an old man.

Joe Schilling 14:10 On a helpless old man-

Joe Rogan 14:11 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 14:11 ... or a helpless woman, or a helpless 13-year-old girl you're slamming around. Like, it's all-

Joe Rogan 14:16 Yes. Yes.

Joe Schilling 14:17 ... weak, weak, weak, weak, weak men that are doing this.

Joe Rogan 14:20 Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Joe Schilling 14:21 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 14:21 Yes.

Joe Schilling 14:21 And these are the ones that we give... I don't know, it's like this lack of masculinity so we're, like, scared, so we give somebody else the power, and you're giving weak-minded people guns and power.

Joe Rogan 14:32 Right.

Joe Schilling 14:33 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 14:33 You're giving people guns and power that... The, the psychological ramifications of that job must be crazy. If you're day in, day out seeing gunshots and fucking suicides and car accidents and stabbings and rape and all day long you're seeing the worst aspects of humanity, that- your mind gets fucked. I've talked to a lot of cops that are good guys, and they'll tell you, like, "The job is hard, man." Like, there's days where you literally d- you would... You think about taking your own life so you don't have to see anything anymore. They say that.

Joe Schilling 15:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:11 I've heard that from cops, and these are not cops that are abusive. They're cops that are just like, "Man, I'm telling you." It's like, you get overwhelmed. Like, you can only walk up on so many suicides, so many shotgun wounds to the face. You can only walk up on so many of those and keep your sanity.

Joe Schilling 15:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:26 And, you know, the other thing that Jocko Willink was saying was that it's, it's the same thing in the teams. Like, psychologically some people can handle anything, and some people cannot handle anything. Some people, it's just one or two things and they're off tilt. They just can't.

Joe Schilling 15:42 Oh, for sure.

Joe Rogan 15:43 And, but some people, they can go back home to their family and be a good dad and be a good husband and be a good neighbor and be a good person and just, you know, just absorb it, and just, uh, you know, go, "Well, you know, it's horrible, but hey, that's life."

Joe Schilling 15:57 That's tough. Then that's another area that needs to be reformed is mental health with officers-

Joe Rogan 16:02 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 16:02 ... or whatever. But we can't just ignore the whole, the whole thing and say, "Well, the- you know, it's t- it's a tough job."

Joe Rogan 16:07 No. No, we can't. We-

Joe Schilling 16:08 It's like the Chris Rock thing about, like, you can't be a, a sometimes a good pilot-

Joe Rogan 16:13 Right.

Joe Schilling 16:13 ... and be a pilot. You can't just crash into things. You can't-

Joe Rogan 16:15 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 16:15 ... go without-

Joe Rogan 16:16 Can't be a bad apple.

Joe Schilling 16:16 ... with- without accountability.

Joe Rogan 16:17 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 16:18 You know? Which, uh, off-topic, but like, that's how I feel about judges. Like, how many fights can you screw up-

Joe Rogan 16:23 Yes.

Joe Schilling 16:23 ... before there's an accountability there?

Joe Rogan 16:24 Yes. Yes.

Joe Schilling 16:25 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 16:26 Yeah. No, that's a real good point. Yeah. I mean, it's like basically every job, you know. Um, it's just some jobs have much higher consequences, and cops, uh, it's like the highest. It's one of the highest. Uh, cops, soldiers is a, a few with the, the highest consequences of your mistakes.

Joe Schilling 16:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:42 You know? And, uh-

Joe Schilling 16:43 And zero accountability.

Joe Rogan 16:44 Very little. Very little.

Joe Schilling 16:45 They only do... Cops don't get- don't go to regular court. They get, uh, in- internal investigations.

Joe Rogan 16:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 16:51 They all protect their own. They protect each other. They're on a-

Joe Rogan 16:53 That-

Joe Schilling 16:53 ... their own little team.

Joe Rogan 16:54 That woman, what is her name? B- Brianna Taylor? Is that her name? The woman who got shot in her home. Um, and then, uh, pshh, they, they... No knock warrant, kicked down the wrong door, um, shot-

Joe Schilling 17:06 Shot through the window. She was playing with a v- with her son or her little brother or somebody on the- in the bed with a video game. And then they charged her boyfriend or husband with-

Joe Rogan 17:15 Attempted murder.

Joe Schilling 17:16 ... attempted murder for shooting back at the person who's shooting through the window with- they didn't even tell them they were cops.

Joe Rogan 17:20 Right. And he's-

Joe Schilling 17:21 Insane.

Joe Rogan 17:22 ... I mean, they have this guy cuffed in a fucking jumpsuit going to jail. It's crazy. It's... And the, and the cop who did that only got fired. That's it.

Joe Schilling 17:33 There was another one where the guy got did-

Joe Rogan 17:34 And just now, just now got fired, by the way. That, that happened quite a while ago.

Joe Schilling 17:40 Uh, the, the one I posted of the guy in the hotel where they called the-

Joe Rogan 17:43 Oh.

Joe Schilling 17:43 ... he had a pellet gun because he was, like, a out-of-town exterminator-

Joe Rogan 17:46 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 17:46 ... and he's with his girlfriend in a hotel room, and they call the cops. The cops come and they're, like, lined up down the hall with an AR15 screaming ridiculous orders.

Joe Rogan 17:54 Yes. Crawl.

Joe Schilling 17:55 Ridiculous orders.

Joe Rogan 17:55 Crawl over here.

Joe Schilling 17:56 Hands behind your back. Crawl while you have- scratch your head and your temple but don't fucking move or I'll kill you.

Joe Rogan 18:00 Don't reach back. They kept- the guy kept losing his pants 'cause he doesn't have a belt on. He's crying. He's like, "Please, please." And they just fucking gun him down while he's bellied down.

Joe Schilling 18:09 So they already knew what they wanted to do and they're waiting for him to give the reason.

Joe Rogan 18:13 Well, exactly.

Joe Schilling 18:14 It's not hard to tell that guy is not a threat, just like it's not hard to tell that that woman... Like, the one where the- they throw the woman down and she jumps... The cop, the cop jumps on her back and puts her in a rear naked choke. What do you do when you argue with your wife at home or your sister or your girlfriend? Like, when... At what point does your-... where do you get the right to just jump to that conclusion?

Joe Rogan 18:33 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 18:33 Just because you're a cop? That woman's not a threat to you.

Joe Rogan 18:36 No, no.

Joe Schilling 18:36 That old man that I posted yesterday, they body slammed h- you know, it's just ...

Joe Rogan 18:40 I don't know if you saw the one where there was a-

Joe Schilling 18:41 So much shit.

Joe Rogan 18:41 ... a guy who got pulled over going five miles an hour over the speed limit, and the officer's threatening to pepper spray him because he's filming.

Joe Schilling 18:48 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:48 See that one?

Joe Schilling 18:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:49 Yeah. There's a lot of them, man. There's a lot of them.

Joe Schilling 18:51 There's another one with a- the- it's a Black guy, and, uh, he's just going o- like, losing his shit on the cop, and he's like-

Joe Rogan 18:57 That's a new one, right?

Joe Schilling 18:58 He's like... Yeah. So I just saw it recently.

Joe Rogan 18:59 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 18:59 He's like, "You pulled me over for not using my turn signal, and you walked up to my window with a gun. I have a gun pointed at me."

Joe Rogan 19:05 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 19:06 "What the fuck is wrong with you?"

Joe Rogan 19:07 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 19:07 "I got kids, I got a wife, I wanna live my life. Why the fu-..." 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 19:11 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 19:11 ... because I made a turn- a turn signal?"

Joe Rogan 19:13 Right.

Joe Schilling 19:13 Why are these guys so terrified to do their job? "Well, you don't know what it's like to, to work the streets of South Side of Chicago." There's people that live in South Side of Chicago. There's people that grow up there, there's people that are raised there, there's old ladies that walk down the street there. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 19:28 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 19:28 So d- so don't tell me because you're too terrified to do your job, it makes it okay for you to kill people.

Joe Rogan 19:33 Well, it's definitely not okay to behave like that, because they escalate way before it becomes a real thi- and there's nothing going on. You're pulling a guy over... It's one thing if you're pulling a guy over and his windows are all blacked out and he won't- he's not complying, he's not rolling down his window. You should get sketched out.

Joe Schilling 19:47 And you run his tag and he has 15-

Joe Rogan 19:49 Right.

Joe Schilling 19:49 ... uh, armed robbery charges or whatever.

Joe Rogan 19:52 Right, right.

Joe Schilling 19:53 You know?

Joe Rogan 19:53 It's ... But then, you know, it's just ... There needs to be solutions. I- all this complaining about it is great, it's good. I really think what you're doing is very good, 'cause it i- and I think the cops should think it too. They really should, man, because it sh- it should highlight the need for reform, and highlight the need for education, and highlight the need for better training and, and better funding. You want better people? You gotta pay 'em.

Joe Schilling 20:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:16 You gotta y- y- you're- you can't have billboards up that say, "Earn $50,000 a year. Have a great gig." You know? That's not the people you want, man. You want, you want it to be difficult to be a cop.

Joe Schilling 20:27 It sounds like a joke, but it's not a joke. You need more training time to become a barber than it is to become a cop. That's a fact. That's not a joke. It sounds like a joke.

Joe Rogan 20:37 That's so crazy.

Joe Schilling 20:37 It's not a joke. It's a fucking fact. We give these people that have, like, very little training whatsoever, and l- little, very little background on their mental stability.

Joe Rogan 20:46 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 20:46 You know a fucking weirdo when you meet him, Joe?

Joe Rogan 20:48 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 20:48 You're like, "Oh, that guy's a little off." You're not gonna give that guy a fucking gun and a badge and then the right to do whatever he wants.

Joe Rogan 20:54 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 20:54 And that's what we do, and it keeps biting us in the ass all the time.

Joe Rogan 20:58 Yeah, I have a buddy of mine, and, uh, he has this dude who was his trainer that kept trying to be a cop. The guy was fucking insane, fucking insane. He would tell him in the middle of training, "Jesus doesn't want you doing that right now. Jesus wants you doing something different." And he'd be like, "What?" He's like, "Jesus wants you doing squats today. Just, uh, gotta trust in the Lord, man. Today it's squats." He's like, "What the fuck are you saying?" He's like, he was wrong, like something's off in his head, right? And he just kept saying that, "Yeah, Long Beach turned me down, so, uh, you know, I'm gonna try for the Pasadena Police Department." Like, this guy was mentally unstable, and he kept trying to become a cop. Now, if one police department was light on people and they needed that guy, and they gave that guy a gun and let that guy pull people over, and Jesus tells him to shoot somebody ...

Joe Schilling 21:48 Florida's saying that they would take on, the Police Department of Florida said we would take all the, uh, police officers at the other state that got in trouble or whatever.

Joe Rogan 21:55 Atlanta?

Joe Schilling 21:55 Or the re- whatever the fucking thing was.

Joe Rogan 21:57 Atlanta's, all the police officers are s- are, are not responding.

Joe Schilling 22:00 There's people that applied to be in the military and didn't pass the thing, but still became cops. It takes le- you- uh, a lower standard to be a police officer in the US than it is to be a soldier in the US.

Joe Rogan 22:12 That's crazy.

Joe Schilling 22:13 What are we doing? And what, and what is the ... You know, we have the same process when I was in high school, the guys come around in their suits, they, you know, they ... "If you take the ASVAB s- uh, test, son, we can show you the world. You'll get a free education," all that shit.

Joe Rogan 22:27 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 22:27 "You don't qualify for them, but I could still get a badge and a gun, and people are gonna respect me."

Joe Rogan 22:31 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Schilling 22:33 You know?

Joe Rogan 22:33 There's a lot of that.

Joe Schilling 22:33 There's a lot of that shit going on.

Joe Rogan 22:35 It's real.

Joe Schilling 22:35 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 22:36 That's real. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. And it's just a poor management. It- it's, it's a poor management decision to do- to run the police departments that way, to have them that underfunded, to have them that poorly represented. 'Cause I know there's good cops out there. I've met them. I know good guys that are cops.

Joe Schilling 22:54 For sure. For sure, me too.

Joe Rogan 22:56 Yeah. I feel-

Joe Schilling 22:56 I've trained, I've trained cops.

Joe Rogan 22:57 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 22:57 I've trained good cops, and I'm like, "Oh, that seems like a good guy." And then I've seen and met other cops that I'm like, "That dude is not all there."

Joe Rogan 23:03 Right, right.

Joe Schilling 23:03 "That dude's not all there."

Joe Rogan 23:04 And he's still a cop.

Joe Schilling 23:04 And everybody, everybody in the fucking precinct knows, "Oh, that's, that's Dewey."

Joe Rogan 23:10 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 23:10 "You know, don't worry about Dewey. He's a good guy."

Joe Rogan 23:13 Yeah, just don't get pulled over by him. LOL.

Joe Schilling 23:14 Just don't get pulled over by him.

Joe Rogan 23:15 Yeah. Yeah. It's, uh ... We're in a crisis in this country in many ways. We, and, uh, Jocko was talking about this, that it's a leadership crisis. It's all from the top down, you know? And, uh, it's a leadership when it comes to the president, leadership crisis, governors, mayors, sheriffs, and then the cops themselves. It's, it's a bunch of people that really don't have the character to be doing that. And look, it's a ... I wouldn't wish it on anybody, man. It's- that's a tough fucking g- all those gigs we just ... Being a governor, fucking insanely hard. I couldn't imagine being responsible for the economy of a whole state, especially California. That's why our goofy governor keeps calling it a nation state. It might as well be a fucking nation. There's 40 million people in this motherfucker. That's a lot of people, man. (laughs) That's crazy. I don't want that job. But if you're gonna have that job, you got- you better be fucking really good, man.

Joe Schilling 24:11 I don't-

Joe Rogan 24:11 You better be really good.

Joe Schilling 24:12 I think that we need four-year terms for everybody of major powers like this so that we don't end up with these career politicians and career p- you know, this sh- it just stays the same, and you build your, your relationships and the, the shit just stays the same. There's no accountability. There's no fresh blood coming in.

Joe Rogan 24:28 Maybe that's okay- a good key for cops too.

Joe Schilling 24:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:30 Have a four-year, like, term, and then you're up for review.

Joe Schilling 24:34 Or the police chief.

Joe Rogan 24:35 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 24:35 You know the police, how the police ch- I can only imagine it. It's why, like, uh ...... like Lethal Weapon or whatever, Martin and Riggs walk in or whatever, and he's like-

Joe Rogan 24:42 No.

Joe Schilling 24:42 ... "Oh, you know, the commissioner, Commissioner Gordon's breathing down my neck. You gotta stop choking all these guys out." And they're like, "You know, I don't give a fuck but, you know, the, the commissioner's down my back."

Joe Rogan 24:50 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 24:50 He's not saying, "Hey motherfucker, you're fired. I'm gonna press charges on your fucking ass." This is not how we do things.

Joe Rogan 24:55 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 24:56 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 24:56 But then there's always the, the, there's the romantic crazy cop. Like Riggs in Lethal Weapon was the romantic crazy cop. It was kinda cool. He's a little unhinged, but he gets the job done.

Joe Schilling 25:07 Yeah. Right.

Joe Rogan 25:08 You know? But the, those guys are never abusive in those movies, the unhinged guys. They're always-

Joe Schilling 25:14 No, they're heroes.

Joe Rogan 25:15 Yeah. They're always heroes and cool with people, but they just, you know, eat cold pizza in the morning in a blender and they fucking smoke cigarettes and then they choke people. (laughs)

Joe Schilling 25:23 Mm-hmm. So my son, Jackson, was, uh-

Joe Rogan 25:26 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 25:26 ... scared of the police before I was ever into any of it or said doing ... Like, I, when I noticed it and I was aware of it, I, like, took a step, like, step back and I looked at myself. Is he getting this from me? And he wasn't. He was, like, three or four years old. And we would pull ... I remember one day we pulled into a, a bank and I parked between two cop cars. And my older son gets out of the car and I'm like, "Where's Jackson?" He's still in the back and he's, like, all, like, tense in the back seat. I'm like, "What's wrong with you?" And he's like, "Uh," you know, he wouldn't say anything. My older son's like, "Oh, he's scared of the cops." I'm like, "Why?" Because all he sees is cops come when you're in trouble. Cops want ... Cops take you to jail. Cops do bad things. There's no, like ... When I was a kid, uh, in, uh, Bellbrook, Ohio where I grew up my ... we had a cat. And he used to always go up in the tree. And my mom would call the police and the fire department anytime the cat went in the fucking tree.

Joe Rogan 26:14 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 26:14 You know?

Joe Rogan 26:14 That's old school Ohio shit.

Joe Schilling 26:16 We'd try, right? We'd try.

Joe Rogan 26:17 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 26:17 You know, I couldn't climb a tree that high. You know, "Get down, you're gonna fall." And then she would call the, the fucking police and the fire department. And they'd come and they'd be cool. And that fucking cop would give us crapper- Cracker Jacks, and when a cop drove by he waved at you. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 26:30 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 26:30 And he would-

Joe Rogan 26:30 That's small town life.

Joe Schilling 26:32 Well, that was, like, how shit should be.

Joe Rogan 26:34 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Schilling 26:35 Now it's like, if I'm at a fucking Quiznos and I'm like, "Oh, man. Excuse me, officer. What time is it?" "I'm on my fucking lunch break." They're just fucking dickheads.

Joe Rogan 26:43 Mm.

Joe Schilling 26:43 All the time. They pull you over. "What are you doing speeding in my town?" You know? It's just, like, this overwhelming-

Joe Rogan 26:50 (car passes)

Joe Schilling 26:50 ... fuck you all the time.

Joe Rogan 26:51 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 26:51 I got cop stories. I got, I got cop stories.

Joe Rogan 26:54 I have no idea.

Joe Schilling 26:55 I got a few cop stories.

Joe Rogan 26:56 Yeah. There's a lot of cop stories to have, good and bad, but you only hear the bad ones. There's a, there's a lot of interactions every day that people have with cops that are positive.

Joe Schilling 27:04 I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 27:06 But it just ... Exactly like the Chris Rock joke, you really can't have bad apples-

Joe Schilling 27:11 No.

Joe Rogan 27:12 ... when it's that job.

Joe Schilling 27:14 No.

Joe Rogan 27:14 Just like you can't have bad fire department people, you can't have bad pilots, you can't have ... It's just a job you gotta do right.

Joe Schilling 27:22 And then it's like, for how long? Like, that's why lately I've been posting videos from, like, three years ago, four years ago.

Joe Rogan 27:27 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 27:27 Same, same type of shit.

Joe Rogan 27:28 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 27:28 It's still go- Like, this is an old video and nothing's changed.

Joe Rogan 27:31 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 27:32 Rodney King wasn't that long ago. There was another one that just came out. This guy's handcuffed on his back and they're beating him with tongs telling him to put his legs down.

Joe Rogan 27:39 I've seen that one.

Joe Schilling 27:39 While they're beating the shit out of him.

Joe Rogan 27:40 Yeah. I've seen that one.

Joe Schilling 27:41 And then, uh, the guy that got pulled over, or, uh, fell asleep in a Wendy's parking lot. Cop pulls him over.

Joe Rogan 27:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 27:48 Said, "Hey, what are you doing?" The guy's like, "Look, man. I was fighting with my wife, fucking had ... you know." "Have you been drinking?" "Yes, sir. I've been drinking." They hadn't ... He hadn't been driving that they could prove yet. So they're like, "Well, can you take his breathalyzer?" And he's like, "Well, you know I'm already been drinking." He's like, "That's just part of my investigation. It's no big deal." The reality was they needed him to take the breathalyzer 'cause they could arres- then they could arrest him. 'Cause they didn't see him actually drive, they couldn't do that.

Joe Rogan 28:09 Right.

Joe Schilling 28:09 So they trick him into doing that, then they arrest him. When they arrest him, they're ... he's got his hands behind his back. Maybe he's tussling or whatever. Nobody wants to get arrested. While they're tasing him in the back multiple times, these idiots give up the taser.

Joe Rogan 28:22 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 28:22 So he's running away with the taser and they shoot him in the back.

Joe Rogan 28:26 Yeah. We were talking about that one. He turned ... What? Didn't he turn and point the taser at him, or is that what they said?

Joe Schilling 28:32 On the video it looks like-

Joe Rogan 28:33 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 28:33 ... he's gonna do whatever.

Narrator 28:34 And this ... I, I can't keep up with the investigations of, like, what day things are being found. Maybe there was a shot left in it, that's why there was a pop heard, or there was ... I, I don't know. Now-

Joe Rogan 28:43 So there might have been a shot left in it?

Narrator 28:45 Okay. Potentially.

Joe Rogan 28:45 People are saying that?

Narrator 28:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:46 Mm.

Narrator 28:46 And that's why I don't know now.

Joe Rogan 28:47 Okay.

Narrator 28:47 I don't no- ... I'm

Joe Rogan 28:48 But eith- either way.

Joe Schilling 28:49 But if I tase you in the back four times, it doesn't give you the right to kill me.

Joe Rogan 28:53 No.

Joe Schilling 28:53 But if I shoot or may aim one in your general direction, it's, "Ice this motherfucker." And it wasn't like that guy was ... You had the conversation with him. He just said he would go home. He was ... Daughter ... His, uh, daughters were at his sister's house.

Joe Rogan 29:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 29:06 That, "I'll just leave the car here and go." But they already had the agenda of what they wanted to do.

Joe Rogan 29:10 Right.

Joe Schilling 29:10 Why shouldn't that guy just be like, "You know what? Go home."

Joe Rogan 29:12 Marc Lamont Hill had a really important point. He's like, "Why is that a case even for the police?" There should be something else, like some other division that just handles non-violent people that are just in need of assistance. If you got a guy who's drunk in a parking lot, there should just be some people that ... If you wanna cite him and give him some sort of a fine, or suspend his license for 30 days or something like that, something non-violent. But that guy should just get a ride home. And if he says that he, he drove there, "Well, hey, man. You can't drive drunk. You're in trouble for that." But, but to try to tase him and all, all that other shit, there's no, there's no need for that.

Joe Schilling 29:48 See, I'm torn on that, is that yes, you're absolutely right. Somebody should be able to see that. I just don't think that it's out of the realm of possibilities that the police could be called to that scene and not end up shooting the guy.

Joe Rogan 29:59 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 29:59 The- they, they should b- have the same wherewithal that you and I are having-

Joe Rogan 30:02 Right.

Joe Schilling 30:02 ... in this conversation to be like, "Oh, dude. Fu- what are you doing, bro?"

Joe Rogan 30:05 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 30:05 "Go ... Your wife's probably pissed you're dum- drunk right now. Get home."

Joe Rogan 30:07 And that's one of the ones where the Atlanta Police Department's all walking off in solidarity because the guy was charged with felony murder.

Joe Schilling 30:14 And so they all quit?

Joe Rogan 30:16 Yeah. A lot of 'em are just not responding to things. They're, they basically don't feel like they're supported and they want to let people know, like, "This is what we do. This is how hard this job is, so this is what it's like when cops don't respond."

Joe Schilling 30:30 That is the most idiotic, baby, little child shit to do. I, I can't even get behind that at all. "Well, if you ... I'm taking my ball and I'm going home then. If you don't want me here, then I'm leaving."

Joe Rogan 30:40 I don't even know-

Joe Schilling 30:41 It's ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 30:42 It's not gonna change the, the ...... the, the charges. If they charged him with felony murder, they're not gonna un-charge him with felony murder because the cops aren't responding. And once it's like-

Joe Schilling 30:54 It just shows how much they don't care about their community. They don't care about their oath. They don't care about protecting and serving for you to do that.

Joe Rogan 31:00 Well, they care about staying together, you know? It's what we were saying earlier, like, but this is... That's the oath, right? The th- that's the, you know, the code of silence. You, you have to protect those other people because the shit could go down. You need them to have your back. It's, it's... I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying that is how it works in the police department.

Joe Schilling 31:22 That's terrible.

Joe Rogan 31:22 Did you ever see the documentary, The Seven Five?

Joe Schilling 31:25 I didn't.

Joe Rogan 31:25 You should see it. It's fucking crazy.

Joe Schilling 31:27 What is it, The Seven Five?

Joe Rogan 31:28 The Seven Five. It is all about, uh, this guy. It's this guy, Mike Dowd, who's out now, who, uh, became a corrupt police officer. Just joined the force because he wanted to be a cop. And then right away, was introduced to the fact that this whole fucking thing is bad. It's all corrupt. They're all bad cops. They're all doing fucked up shit. I'm pretty sure they pushed a guy out of a window, like one of the first days that he got there. Someone got killed. And they would just say, "This is how it works." And then cut to many years later, he's robbing drug dealers and selling drugs, and they're organizing hits on people. Like, it's a crazy fucking movie. And it's from his words and his former partner's words, and it just details how everything went completely sideways. And it just shows you, like imagine if you were one of those guys and that's your job. You're a fucking cop, and you're in this precinct with all these other corrupt cops and you're like, "Well, this is what we do. So this is what we do. We're just corrupt."

Joe Schilling 32:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:26 Fuck.

Joe Schilling 32:27 It's like the mob mentality with the protests, right? You get a good protest or the people protesting a real thing, people that are having a peaceful march doing that stuff, and then you compound... They have been locked in their house for two months. Everybody's broke. They're losing their businesses.

Joe Rogan 32:42 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 32:42 Shit's getting fucking weird. They're just going crazy. And, but they're, they're there in the protest. Now you have some asshole come up with a hammer and break a bunch of windows and start creating the drama. It, it causes a mob mentality, right?

Joe Rogan 32:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 32:54 It's like people are smart, but mop- mobs are stupid, right?

Joe Rogan 32:57 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 32:57 Where a person is smart, people are stupid. That same thing happened to the cops, right? You're on a team. One guy starts doing shit like, "Pff, bro, just shoot him in the face with a beanbag. No one will see it." "Ah, he fucking got one. Hell yeah. Right on. Pass me the gun." Boom. And they're all doing the same shit.

Joe Rogan 33:11 There's definitely a lot of that.

Joe Schilling 33:12 And then they're protecting themselves.

Joe Rogan 33:13 Yeah. There's definitely a lot of that. It's, uh, there's also, there was some crazy shit where it was pretty much proven that some cops were the ones who were breaking windows in Minneapolis.

Joe Schilling 33:25 Oh yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:25 Did you see that?

Joe Schilling 33:25 There was one in New York where they were sawing, uh, sawing the like, the rollup door open on a, uh, a jewelry store.

Joe Rogan 33:32 A cop was doing it?

Joe Schilling 33:33 Yeah, they had... There's video. I'll find the video for you.

Joe Rogan 33:35 Oh.

Joe Schilling 33:35 There was cops-

Joe Rogan 33:36 The police were in that video.

Joe Schilling 33:36 ... with like, with like a... With like a... fucking, what do they call it? Like a miter saw or whatever, cutting the rollup door on the jewelry shop.

Narrator 33:44 Uh, I think I saw that one. Uh, it was, if I remember. I might be incorrect. Uh, there was people... They got a call and there was people trapped in there, and they like had to get them out.

Joe Schilling 33:54 Huh.

Narrator 33:54 Somebody had been robbing it or something like that.

Joe Schilling 33:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:55 (laughs)

Narrator 33:55 But like they had to-

Joe Schilling 33:56 Huh. Maybe.

Narrator 33:57 ... I think.

Joe Rogan 33:57 They get trapped in there robbing it?

Narrator 33:59 Yeah. It's... I may be mistaken on that one, but I think I saw that.

Joe Rogan 34:02 Oh, that's interesting.

Joe Schilling 34:03 Jamie with the fact check.

Joe Rogan 34:04 That seems like a weird way to save people. Saw the fucking security door open?

Narrator 34:08 Well, 'cause they broke it open in a bad way and like snuck in.

Joe Rogan 34:11 Oh.

Narrator 34:11 And like, they had to get out all their equipment and shit, so like they used like the metal saw thing to like cut a-

Joe Rogan 34:15 "Hello, 911."

Narrator 34:16 ... hole in the wall.

Joe Rogan 34:17 "Yeah. Um, well, okay. We were robbing this jewelry store."

Joe Schilling 34:22 That seems like the type of thing that you would say when you were caught on camera robbing the jewelry store.

Joe Rogan 34:26 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 34:26 "Well, actually there was somebody inside. I was trying to get them out. It was just a weird thing. It happens sometimes, you know, being a cop, so..."

Joe Rogan 34:31 That's true too. Yeah.

Joe Schilling 34:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:33 I mean, how many cops rob things during all the melee? Had to be a lot, right?

Joe Schilling 34:38 Come on.

Joe Rogan 34:38 They had to.

Joe Schilling 34:40 Come on.

Joe Rogan 34:40 The one that I saw was a Target in Minneapolis where this cop that actually got recognized and he got identified.

Joe Schilling 34:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:45 And this cop was smashing windows. And these kids were like, "Hey man, are you a fucking cop?" He's like, "Fuck off, I'll kick your ass." And like, and he is a big guy too.

Joe Schilling 34:53 Oh, that was a guy in Minneapolis with the... He had the-

Joe Rogan 34:55 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had the full face shield on and everything.

Joe Schilling 34:58 ... the thing? Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:58 And they were like, "This guy's wearing like police issue shoes, police issue clothes." (laughs)

Joe Schilling 35:03 So let's look at, look at that. Why would they do that? Why would a cop do that? Because the cop wanted to break shit? Or is there a plan to get fucking drama started in a certain city and then that police station just happens to burn down and they, they give it up too?

Joe Rogan 35:16 Well, I think-

Joe Schilling 35:17 How many records-

Joe Rogan 35:17 ... in a lot of those situations what happ-

Joe Schilling 35:19 How many records got destroyed when they burned down that police station?

Joe Rogan 35:22 Oh, that's a good point. Ooh, look at Joe Schilling's thinking on multiple levels.

Joe Schilling 35:25 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 35:25 I think what happens with a lot of this, and you know, it's called an agent provocateur, right? And what they've used those people for before is to stop a peaceful protest. And the way they stop a peaceful protest, they turn it violent, and then they, then they have the authorization to go in and break, break up the protest and arrest people.

Joe Schilling 35:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:45 And that has been done. That absolutely has been done.

Joe Schilling 35:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:48 It was done with the World Trade Organization protests in the, uh, early 2000s. They did that in Seattle. That shit has been done. Um, they do it. It might be na- late '90s. Um, but they fucking do that. That is a, a government tactic.

Joe Schilling 36:01 And say you have a good protest and it has a good meaning and a good thing, and that's bad for you if you're the government, and you're trying to be like-

Joe Rogan 36:06 Right.

Joe Schilling 36:06 ... "I don't really like this shit."

Joe Rogan 36:07 Exactly.

Joe Schilling 36:08 "What do we do here? Let's get some fucking assholes to go in there and start some shit."

Joe Rogan 36:11 Exactly.

Joe Schilling 36:11 "We haven't, we haven't let these people leave their house in two months. They're gonna do some dumb shit, right?"

Joe Rogan 36:15 Yep.

Joe Schilling 36:16 "So we'll just start bashing up shit. You know what? Let's plant some fucking bricks. Maybe if we put some bricks on the street where all these people are gonna come, they're gonna fuck all this shit up."

Joe Rogan 36:23 Yeah, the brick thing was weird. You know, in some circumstances, the bricks actually were there because of construction. That's been proven. There was one that was a synagogue in North Hollywood and we were... And there was these like bricks set up right in front of the synagogue. We're like, "This is fucked up." Like, "What is this about?" Turned out even worse that bricks had actually been there for a long time, and they were there to keep people from driving into the synagogue.... they were to stop a car from smashing through the front windows and killing people. So they were worried after, like, the Pittsburgh mass shooting and a couple other, um, mass shootings.

Joe Schilling 36:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:56 They were worried about their synagogue, so they set up these bricks to keep some fucking psycho from driving a car through the building. Which is, I mean, almost worse. I'd almost rather them-

Joe Schilling 37:08 Well, I mean, they, we have that everywhere though, right? We have that in, like, Sunset Boulevard or wherever.

Joe Rogan 37:13 Those posts.

Joe Schilling 37:13 There'll be like those concrete posts, like-

Joe Rogan 37:15 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 37:15 ... that's a, that's a normal thing, I think.

Joe Rogan 37:17 I guess, but this is weird-

Joe Schilling 37:18 Especially with all the bricks.

Joe Rogan 37:19 ... because it was, like, set up by these folks that ran the synagogue. And they, they fenced in-

Joe Schilling 37:24 Because the city didn't even protect it. They had to do it themselves.

Joe Rogan 37:27 Yeah. I, I'm pretty sure. I mean, I think the city probably approved it.

Joe Schilling 37:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:32 But it's, it's a weird ... Have you s- see if you can find-

Joe Schilling 37:34 I saw the picture. They're in, like, cages, right?

Joe Rogan 37:36 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Narrator 37:36 Yeah, it's a weird thing. You can buy it at Home Depot, I guess.

Joe Rogan 37:38 Oh, you can?

Narrator 37:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 37:39 For that reason?

Narrator 37:40 Like a tech or something.

Joe Rogan 37:40 In case you run a synagogue that's-

Joe Schilling 37:42 No.

Joe Rogan 37:42 ... being targeted by white supremacists? (laughs)

Joe Schilling 37:45 Maybe the city's not got your back. "Yeah, we're not worried about the cops showing up-"

Narrator 37:48 Ugh.

Joe Schilling 37:48 "... we're gonna put these, put these rock piles in front of your shit."

Joe Rogan 37:53 Goddamn, man. It's just, this, this whole COVID and then the George Floyd protests and then the riots and the looting and everything like that really highlights how fragile our, our civilization is. Really.

Joe Schilling 38:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:06 Really shows everybody.

Joe Schilling 38:07 Yeah. And how easily we are controlled through the media.

Joe Rogan 38:11 Yep.

Joe Schilling 38:12 Easily, we're controlled. I, I try not to watch it anymore because, like, it's y- you're just getting brainwashed and once you realize you're just being brainwashed, like they just control how you feel about everything, they control... You hate this guy, change the other channel. Now, fuck, that guy's a good guy. This guy's... Fuck this guy. And it's just-

Joe Rogan 38:27 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 38:27 ... all misinformation.

Joe Rogan 38:29 Yep.

Joe Schilling 38:29 The WHO and Fauci one day, the-

Joe Rogan 38:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Schilling 38:31 ... "Don't do masks. You don't need masks." The next day, "Oh, you need masks. Como needs 50,000, uh-"

Joe Rogan 38:37 Ventilators?

Joe Schilling 38:38 "Respir- Ventera- ventilators and put them all in the nursing homes and all the nurse people die."

Joe Rogan 38:42 Yeah, he-

Joe Schilling 38:42 But let's not talk about that.

Joe Rogan 38:44 Yeah, that's the Cuomo nursing home thing is a giant scandal, man.

Joe Schilling 38:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:47 He let those people go back to the nursing homes and they infected and killed thousands of people because of that and-

Joe Schilling 38:52 And so his numbers go straight up, you know? And then, like, why are we incentivizing... If we're even going to the CO- I mean, why are we incentivizing hospitals to say that there were COVID deaths? What is the purpose of that? It makes no sense.

Joe Rogan 39:04 I think the idea was because this was a new disease and they required more fu- uh, like, uh, financially it's more difficult to treat those people, that they allocated more money towards people that had COVID.

Joe Schilling 39:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:19 But when you do that, you do incentivize people to mark deaths as COVID.

Joe Schilling 39:23 Yeah, there's people who get shot and they were like, "Well, he had COVID when he died."

Joe Rogan 39:26 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 39:26 But did, did they test him for COVID? Well, it doesn't matter, I just wrote it on there.

Joe Rogan 39:29 But there are also-

Joe Schilling 39:29 And then the numbers come out, you know?

Joe Rogan 39:30 Apparently, there have also been a bunch of people that died and weren't COVID tested that they do believe died because of complications for COVID too. So the idea is that it could even possibly balance it out. They don't know. But there are a l- a lot of people that have, like... There, here's a deceptive one that I've read. It was really fucked up. They were talking about this kid who was, uh, I think he was 17 who died from COVID, and they said, uh, he, he was, uh, uh, they said he was healthy. No under- no other, uh, health issues, they said. But then when you read the article deeper, it turns out he had diabetes. He had type I diabetes and he was 400 pounds. And it's like, wait a minute. The- that's not no issues. These articles are full of shit and they write those articles just so-

Joe Schilling 40:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:16 ... that you click on them because they get the, the fucking ad revenue from clicks.

Joe Schilling 40:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:20 That's... So they're incentivized to trick you into being scared and they're like, "Oh my God, a 17-year-old died? What hap- my 17-year-old can die. Holy fuck." And then you click on it and if you don't read, you know, six, seven paragraphs into the article, you don't find out that this was a 400-pound diabetic kid that, you know, has-

Joe Schilling 40:39 Could have died from the flu three months earlier.

Joe Rogan 40:42 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 40:42 And it would have been the same shit.

Joe Rogan 40:43 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Schilling 40:44 You know? So the numbers are fudged. So I don't, I don't wanna believe your numbers. Don't come to me with more scare tactics about like, "The numbers are spiking." Well, you already said that 50% of the positives are false positives.

Joe Rogan 40:54 Well, at least finally they're saying, when they're saying the numbers are spiking, I haven't heard that 50% are false positives.

Joe Schilling 41:00 I got a-

Joe Rogan 41:00 I never heard that.

Joe Schilling 41:01 ... a video, there was the, uh, that chick that is al- with Fauci, the other one.

Joe Rogan 41:05 She was saying 50%?

Joe Schilling 41:07 Yeah, I don't know how old the video was-

Joe Rogan 41:08 That's probably pretty old.

Joe Schilling 41:09 ... but she said that, that our testing is, we're coming up and if you have 1% of whatever and we test it, then 50%, you know, 50, about half of the positives are false positive.

Joe Rogan 41:18 Jesus.

Joe Schilling 41:19 And then-

Joe Rogan 41:20 I don't know if it's-

Joe Schilling 41:20 ... don't wear a mask and you have to wear masks. And they said the whole reason we have to flatten the curve is because you can live on anything for up to, like, nine days and even an asymptomatic person can still transmit it. Then it comes out they say the exact opposite.

Joe Rogan 41:34 Yeah, now they're saying asymptomatic people very, very rarely transmit it.

Joe Schilling 41:37 Well, I don't choose to believe that, Joe. I, I, I re- I don't, I'm gonna re- believe what they told me the first time.

Joe Rogan 41:43 There's a lot of people who do say that.

Joe Schilling 41:44 Not the new, not, not the new facts that they have now.

Joe Rogan 41:46 No.

Joe Schilling 41:46 So we're still gonna wear masks all the time. It, it-

Joe Rogan 41:48 Yeah, people get mad at you if you suggest differently. There's a lot of people that like being scared too. And they're like, "Fuck you."

Joe Schilling 41:54 Love it.

Joe Rogan 41:54 "Wear your goddamn mask."

Joe Schilling 41:56 Love it.

Joe Rogan 41:57 "We need to protect people."

Joe Schilling 41:58 Love it.

Joe Rogan 41:59 But meanwhile-

Joe Schilling 41:59 Well, if there's no police, who's gonna protect you and you- who's gonna protect your family? Me?

Joe Rogan 42:04 Meanwhile, there was no- these people weren't freaking out when you're seeing these masked protests. And the spikes-... guess what happened right after the protest? And at least they're saying that now, at least they're saying ... They're being forced into saying, "It's probably connected to the p- the protests." Well, of course. You get human contact.

Joe Schilling 42:21 Or it's just one more way to get the, get people to, just sca- scare them to, to stop revolting. "Let's scare them, let's get them to chill out." We've got, you know, now the numbers-

Joe Rogan 42:29 Covid spiking.

Joe Schilling 42:30 ... are spiking, guys. We got-

Joe Rogan 42:30 Do you think it's that calculated? That that's what they're doing?

Joe Schilling 42:33 I think there's a lot of calculated shit going on. There's too many weird things going on. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 42:37 Who's calculating it, though?

Joe Schilling 42:38 I'm ... I think that it's Dr Evil.

Joe Rogan 42:40 (gasps) He's live.

Joe Schilling 42:41 I think it is. I think that they're, they're in like their thing and-

Joe Rogan 42:44 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 42:45 ... "Next we're gonna launch the sharks with laser beams on their head."

Joe Rogan 42:48 What happened to murder hornets? They came and went real quick.

Joe Schilling 42:50 S-

Joe Rogan 42:50 I was really worried about them.

Joe Schilling 42:52 Aliens, bro.

Joe Rogan 42:52 They're like, "Fuck."

Joe Schilling 42:53 I'll put it out there. Aliens will come.

Joe Rogan 42:55 The aliens?

Joe Schilling 42:55 Aliens are coming before, before the election.

Joe Rogan 42:58 The alien thing is interesting because there's quite a few, like, real, legitimate studies an- including black ops studies that are going on right now on aliens. Particularity after the David Fravor, uh, incident, which was a Air Force incident that was off the coast of, uh, San Diego, that was all documented in terms of the speed of the aircraft, the fact that they were tracking it, the fact that it blocked their, um, their tracking systems so it, it was an active object blocking their tractive, tracking systems. And it also went from something like right above the surface of the water to 60,000 feet in a matter of a second. Like, whatever the fuck that thing is, it violates all laws of propulsion. And all those, uh, Air Force guys were saying, "Yeah, we've been following these things. They've been down here for the last few weeks. Like, every now and then we'll see one and they'll hover above the water and dunk down into the water." They don't know what the fuck they were. And, you know, this David Fravor guy who's like a rock solid, buttoned down military man, he is not a bullshit artist, he's not a guy who needs a lot of attention, he came on the podcast and relayed his experiences with this thing. And there's not just one of 'em and they behave very similarly. They, they've, they had 'em on the East Coast. I'm doing, I'm doing a terrible job of giving all the facts about how they operate and how they, how they move, but they defy all the n- known laws of propulsion. They have no idea what they are, they have no idea where they're coming from, they don't know what they're doing. But these things behave in some really almost supernatural way in terms of, like, what we know about physics.

Joe Schilling 44:39 And this is, like, unclassified now or this is recent, like happening-

Joe Rogan 44:41 Well the government's come out and said, I mean, they, they've, they've openly said there's a real issue. "Trump says he's heard 'very interesting things about Roswell', site of an alleged UFO event. President was asked by-" Yeah, that was nonsense though. Did you see that interview? First of all, the, the whole interview was weird. Like Donald Trump Jr is interviewing Donald Trump and he's, he's not even doing it like he's his dad, you know? Like if I was sitting there with my dad I'd be like, "All right dude, tell me what's up. What's going on with the aliens, Pops?"

Joe Schilling 45:08 Yeah. Seriously, "So what's going on with the aliens?"

Joe Rogan 45:09 "What have you got back there, dude?" And also I woulda asked that question four fucking years ago, day one. I'd be like, "Come on, dude."

Joe Schilling 45:18 As soon as, as soon as you walked in.

Joe Rogan 45:20 "Aliens." Yeah.

Joe Schilling 45:21 "Let's talk aliens."

Joe Rogan 45:21 I would run for president just to find out. Just to win and fight.

Joe Schilling 45:24 I think you should run for president, Joe.

Joe Rogan 45:26 Fuck that, dude. Fuck.

Joe Schilling 45:26 You should absolutely run for president.

Joe Rogan 45:28 Listen, listen, listen. I could cancel for all Joey Diaz conversations. (laughs)

Joe Schilling 45:31 You could, you could do, like, the, uh, presidential addresses and just do a stand-up bit the whole time, every time.

Joe Rogan 45:38 That would, it would have to be that. It would have to be like some seriousness and some, uh, like, some ... But, you know, life is so preposterous. And it's more preposterous now than it's ever been before.

Joe Schilling 45:50 It's nuts.

Joe Rogan 45:50 And th- and meanwhile-

Joe Schilling 45:51 It's just nuts.

Joe Rogan 45:51 ... there's no stand-up. The only person doing stand-up right now is Ben ... There's a few guys that just started doing shows. I'm actually in Houston this weekend for the first time in three months. I haven't done any stand-up. Chappelle's doing regular shows in Ohio.

Joe Schilling 46:04 Really?

Joe Rogan 46:05 He's got a outside wedding, like, uh, pavilion and he's got it set up where everybody's socially distanced. They all wear masks in the crowd, they have Chappelle masks. So they'll have, like, the C on their mask, there in the crowd.

Joe Schilling 46:20 That's cool.

Joe Rogan 46:20 And it's, uh, my, my buddy Donnell did it and he said he loves it. And Dave's like, "Listen man, I gotta do something. I gotta figure this out." And it's all been approved by the governor, everybody's, you know, distanced six feet apart, they all maintain social distancing during the show, they wear a mask during the show.

Joe Schilling 46:38 How long are we gonna-

Joe Rogan 46:38 What's this?

Joe Schilling 46:39 How long are we gonna keep doing this?

Joe Rogan 46:41 "Texas governor urges people to stay home as states report surges of new COVID-19 cases." Yeah, you wanna see the photo of the Austin protest?

Narrator 46:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:51 You seen it?

Joe Schilling 46:51 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 46:51 It's crazy. You know, Austin, which is the most progressive city in, uh, Texas had this insane protest which, listen, I think is great, I do. I think it's great that people wanna show solidarity, that people want to, uh, to get out there and, and let everybody know that they're, they're not down with p- police brutality and that they're, they're, they're down with racial equality and that ... You got all these thousands and thousands of people together to have the same positive message. I love it. However, (laughs) that COVID doesn't give a fuck about racial equality or social justice. If you're, if you're not healthy, it's gonna get ya.

Joe Schilling 47:31 I don't know, man and that's-

Joe Rogan 47:33 And cases spike. But the other thing about Texas is a giant percentage of it, I think somewhere in the neighborhood of 50%, is actually in prisons. So when they're talking about state-wide, uh, issues ... Do you, do you have an image? 'Cause I can get an image for you.

Narrator 47:45 Uh, yeah I have one, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:46 I got a good one for you. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, that'll cause a problem. (laughs) Look at all those fucking people. But one thing they have found out, if you guys, if you guys are gonna protest, protest during the day. And this is why. There's been a new study that came out that said that COVID-19 dies almost instantly in contact with sunlight. So-

Joe Schilling 48:07 Didn't Trump say that like two months ago and everyone said he was crazy?

Joe Rogan 48:11 No, he was saying like put light in your body-

Joe Schilling 48:13 He said-

Joe Rogan 48:13 ... and inject light into your day.

Joe Schilling 48:13 No, he said 80 degrees, he said, "When the summer comes, the heat, the heat kills it."

Joe Rogan 48:17 Yes. But it's not, but it's not the heat.... it's actually light. So, um, the nighttime is just as dangerous in the summer as it, as it is during the day. It's not heat, it's not a temperature issue. I'm sure some temperature kills it-

Joe Schilling 48:29 Joe, this thing is not real, bro.

Joe Rogan 48:31 No!

Joe Schilling 48:31 This is not real, bro.

Joe Rogan 48:33 It's not real?

Joe Schilling 48:34 It's not real.

Joe Rogan 48:34 Should we light a joint?

Joe Schilling 48:35 It is the fucking flu. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:36 We're gonna do this.

Joe Schilling 48:37 Yeah, please, let's do it. Dude.

Joe Rogan 48:38 I'll take one of those.

Joe Schilling 48:39 It's not real.

Joe Rogan 48:40 You don't think it's real?

Joe Schilling 48:41 I think that the flu is real. I think that people get sick from the flu every year and die. I think that it's a, it's a bad thing. I don't think that all of this nonsense that's going on, and they keep, keep perpetuating it and keep perpetuating it and keep perpetuating it, it's... Come on.

Joe Rogan 48:57 Well-

Joe Schilling 48:57 I just, I'm just not buying it anymore. I just, you guys, you change your, your views, you change your opinions. It's like, it's like if you were the writer of a TV show, say Friends. Your job would be to write a 30-minute episode that was funny and intriguing and dramatic and fucking scary, or whatever the fuck. And like, the media just writes an episode, and then the next day, they like write a new episode, and write a new episode, and like change their shit.

Joe Rogan 49:24 I understand what you're saying.

Joe Schilling 49:25 Such bullshit.

Joe Rogan 49:26 I understand what you're saying. I'm gonna give you a different perspective.

Joe Schilling 49:29 Okay.

Joe Rogan 49:29 This is the different perspective. The different perspective is, legit biologists have analyzed the actual virus itself, and they find all sorts of problems with this virus. I had Bret Weinstein on the podcast the other day. He's a professor, a legit biologist. And he was discussing all of the indicators in the virus that seem to point to the fact that this has probably been leaked from a lab, and explained it in terms of the way viruses evolve. I'm gonna do a terrible job of paraphrasing it, 'cause I'm a moron and he's brilliant. But when he said, in the, in the long run, what he's basically saying is, this is a very legit virus. It's very complicated because of the fact that it's been fucked with. Because this is not a virus like, you know, like a regular cold, or like anything else that we've encountered before. This is something that's really complicated, and may have evolved, because it came from a lab, his perspective is it may have evolved to transmit better indoors. Um, and it's very vulnerable to UV light, which al- also might be, uh, part of, you know, it being from a lab and not something that existed in the wild, that actually just jumped from a bat to a pangolin to a person, or, or what have you. So, legit scientists and biologists who are not a part of the narrative, they're not working for any government agency, they're not a part of the news media that's trying to ch- transmit propaganda, they are concerned with it. And they're concerned with it for very specific, scientific reasons. Now, me as a person who doesn't know what the fuck any of that stuff I just said means, really, I just repeat it, and it sounds like I'm smart. But they, the, the smart people actually are worried about it for very specific reasons that they could explain to you. Now, it's not vulnerable... For a lot of people, they're not gonna be vulnerable. Like pro athletes, we were talking about those NBA players that get it.

Joe Schilling 51:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:19 Listen, those are top of the food chain stud athletes. They shake it off. They're not experiencing any symptoms, you know? Over and over and over again. There's a lot of people that get it. Idris Elba shook it off. There's a lot of people that get it, shake it off. They barely get it. They barely even know they have it. But they're really robust, healthy people. The concern is, people that aren't. Old people, people that are vulnerable. When they get it, man, they get it bad. And, uh, I was reading an article today about a woman who's been sick with COVID for 100 days now, and she still has days where she has like these horrible flu-like symptoms and she gets real wheezy. But I think she has multiple sclerosis and she's got some other underlying health conditions. So those people have to really be worried about this, 'cause it's not predictable and they don't know how to treat it totally.

Joe Schilling 52:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:05 Especially in the beginning. Turned out, when they put people on ventilators, my buddy Michael Yeo got it, and he got it early on. And his doctor told him, "If I put you on a ventilator, you're probably gonna die."

Joe Schilling 52:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:16 "Because your body's gonna stop breathing for itself, and it's gonna let, let the ventilator do all the work."

Joe Schilling 52:21 The ventilator, like, uh, 90% of people put on ventilators for-

Joe Rogan 52:25 I think it's 80.

Joe Schilling 52:26 80%.

Joe Rogan 52:27 ... die. Yeah.

Joe Schilling 52:27 For anything ever, die. Is that true?

Joe Rogan 52:31 I don't know.

Joe Schilling 52:31 That's what I heard.

Joe Rogan 52:32 It sounds good.

Joe Schilling 52:32 80%.

Joe Rogan 52:32 It sounds terrifying.

Joe Schilling 52:33 Say 80%. So when-

Joe Rogan 52:34 The question is, though-

Joe Schilling 52:35 When Cuomo's like, "We need 40,000 ventilators," 'cause w- who are you saving when 80% of those people are gonna die?

Joe Rogan 52:40 The thing is though, like, I think the ventilator, one way you could look at it, the ventilator's such a last ditch effort, that by the time you get to the... What is that? What do you got there?

Joe Schilling 52:49 Budweiser.

Joe Rogan 52:50 Oh, it's Budweiser.

Joe Schilling 52:50 It's cold, delicious-

Joe Rogan 52:51 Ooh, yes.

Joe Schilling 52:51 ... but heavy for you, my friend.

Joe Rogan 52:52 What a good man. He brings his own beer. You fucking stud.

Joe Schilling 52:56 I come with all kinds of gifts.

Joe Rogan 52:57 Um-

Joe Schilling 52:57 Oh, I brought you some Ignite stuff too.

Joe Rogan 52:59 Oh, nice.

Joe Schilling 53:00 Dan Senses-

Joe Rogan 53:01 Shout out to Dan Bilzerian.

Joe Schilling 53:04 Hey, hey.

Joe Rogan 53:04 I'm told he's writing a book.

Joe Schilling 53:06 He, he, I think he did write his book.

Joe Rogan 53:08 Look at that. There you go.

Joe Schilling 53:09 Is that-

Joe Rogan 53:09 This is dog stuff, right?

Joe Schilling 53:10 Yeah, that one's for, uh, Marshall.

Joe Rogan 53:12 Oh, yay! He'll love it.

Joe Schilling 53:13 My dog's been using it too. It's, uh, really good stuff.

Joe Rogan 53:16 Okay, cool.

Joe Schilling 53:17 You know Dan, everything's the best.

Joe Rogan 53:18 Yeah. No, I'm sure. He's, uh, it's funny how he's jumped balls deep into weed and CBD.

Joe Schilling 53:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:26 Oh, right. Look at that, dog CBD. It even says it on there. I fucked up with CBDMT and I took some of their dog CBD. It was delicious peanut butter flavor.

Joe Schilling 53:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:35 I think it's fine though. I feel like-

Joe Schilling 53:36 I'm sure. Why not? What's the difference?

Joe Rogan 53:37 I mean, it's just CBD.

Joe Schilling 53:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:39 But they make it flavored for dogs.

Joe Schilling 53:41 What's in this one?

Joe Rogan 53:42 What's that? More, more shit?

Joe Schilling 53:43 Glass glasses. Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 53:43 Look at this. Dan Bilzerian, you generous fella. All right. Okay, cool. CBD and T-shirts and shit. What is the-

Joe Schilling 53:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:52 ... bull for? What is the, all that? What is the ram's head?

Joe Schilling 53:55 Uh, I think it's a goat head.

Joe Rogan 53:56 It seems Satanic.

Joe Schilling 53:57 I asked him once about it.

Joe Rogan 53:59 Doesn't it?

Joe Schilling 53:59 And I can't remember what the answer was.

Joe Rogan 54:00 Bro.

Joe Schilling 54:00 But I think it's always been like his thing.

Joe Rogan 54:02 That's, that's like, uh, Satan. Right? What is the one, the, the devil that has the goat head? Beelzebub. Is it Beelzebub? Aye, Beelzebub. Sounds good. That sounds like that would be correct. All right. Thank you, Dan.

Joe Schilling 54:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:17 Thank you, Satan. Uh, no. No? What is it? Which one? I don't know.... you gotta be careful, you know? You get people so high that they get super paranoid and they look down at that goat head-

Narrator 54:28 Yeah, Baphomet.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Oh, Baphomet, that's right. I've seen him on things before. That's like something Duncan would know a lot about.

Narrator 54:33 That's what I was, I was trying to think of Duncan-

Joe Rogan 54:35 (laughs)

Narrator 54:35 ... and then think of words he said on that.

Joe Rogan 54:36 Yeah. Come on, man.

Joe Schilling 54:37 Yeah, that-

Joe Rogan 54:37 Hey, Dan, why is that guy on the cover of your fucking box? (laughs)

Narrator 54:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:42 Why is that goat dude with, with eagle wings-

Joe Schilling 54:45 It's that big goat dude, man.

Joe Rogan 54:46 Oh, that guy looks creepy as fuck with his pentagram on his head. Oof.

Narrator 54:50 That's, uh, interesting.

Joe Rogan 54:51 "Houston ICU capacity could soon be exceeded as COVID-19 hospitalizations worsen."

Narrator 54:57 So it could be tomorrow.

Joe Schilling 54:57 And then all the videos come out-

Narrator 54:59 Whoa.

Joe Schilling 54:59 ... and it's like people in the, uh, going to the hospitals and there's no lines that they're trying to make it out to be. You know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of fuckery going on with this misinformation, man. And that's-

Joe Rogan 55:10 There's a little bit of that going on.

Joe Schilling 55:11 ... I have a hard time just-

Joe Rogan 55:11 There's a little bit of that.

Joe Schilling 55:12 ... believing the newest of the new.

Joe Rogan 55:14 But there's also real shit going on. Okay, Dr. Peter Hotez, he's been on the podcast before, National School of Tropical Medicine Diseases, uh, Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of, of Medicine. He's a brilliant guy.

Narrator 55:26 Yeah, it says the city hu- of Houston, which is known for its, uh, medical schools has a large concentration of beds and research hospitals and whatnot, and they're very close to running out of all of their ICU beds.

Joe Rogan 55:36 "He said he called on the state to reimpose more aggressive social distancing restrictions." See, he's not a, um, he's not a foolish person. If he's saying this, he's a legit scientist and a doctor, and he knows, uh, a tremendous amount about diseases. I met him many, many years ago. He kind of freaked me out because, uh, we were doing this, uh, I interviewed him for this sci-fi thing, and he was telling me that people that live in tropical climates all have parasites. I'm like, "All of them?" He goes, "All of them." He said, "Everybody's got something." He's like, "That's your, you're living in this, like, soup of moisture and heat, and it's just a perfect breeding ground for all these diseases." And a lot of these third world countries, poor folks that live in these tropical climates, he's like, "They all have it." And when he was saying that, I was like, "Well, of course, it makes sense." There's no antibiotics, no med... It's probably, like, just a normal part of life to have all these different parasites.

Joe Schilling 56:25 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:25 Like, people used to just drink-

Joe Schilling 56:26 And their immune systems gets bet- gets better off of it or they just live with, live with it?

Joe Rogan 56:30 I don't know, man. Maybe they just live with it. It might be both. You know, some people's immune systems might be stronger. But, like, creek water, like, that's what people drank, man. They just drank creek water and you would get beaver fever, you'd get giardia. It was a normal thing. You know, people, uh, like, here we, we, like, talk about Mexico, right? People always say, "Don't drink the water."

Joe Schilling 56:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:50 "Don't drink the water." Well, they're fucking drinking the water.

Joe Schilling 56:52 They drink the water all the time, right.

Joe Rogan 56:53 But their, their system is just more, it's more tolerant of it, it's more-

Joe Schilling 56:57 Or they just used to shit in their pants all the time.

Joe Rogan 56:59 ... adapted. Just a little bit of that-

Joe Schilling 56:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:00 ... maybe a little bit of that.

Joe Schilling 57:00 No, that's just... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:02 But I imagine, like, beaver fever's got a, giardia is probably killing people. I mean, you're drinking, like, horrible bacteria. I know people have died from E. coli. I wonder if they died from giardia. Does giardia kill you? Because that's a normal thing you get if you drink out of a creek.

Joe Schilling 57:18 So, your, your guy that you were talking about, the, the really smart guy-

Joe Rogan 57:21 Peter Hotez?

Joe Schilling 57:21 Peter Hotez. He says it was made in a lab, then?

Joe Rogan 57:24 Okay, no, that's Brett Weinstein.

Joe Schilling 57:25 Brett Weinstein.

Joe Rogan 57:25 Brett Weinstein, yeah, he's the biologist. He, he said... He does not sa- talk like that. He does not say, like, "It was made in a lab."

Joe Schilling 57:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:32 He's like, "All indications would point to..." He's one of those guys. And, but he's, he's never like, "So therefore it does."

Joe Schilling 57:38 So that would support-

Joe Rogan 57:39 With a-

Joe Schilling 57:39 ... the Wuhan lab that's-

Joe Rogan 57:40 Yes.

Joe Schilling 57:41 ... not far from the Wuhan soup-

Joe Rogan 57:43 "Rarely does giardia infection-"

Joe Schilling 57:45 ... place.

Joe Rogan 57:45 Yeah, real close. "Rare- Rarely does giardia infection cause death, but each year 4,600 persons with giardia," giardiasis?

Narrator 57:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:53 Let's see, "Are estimated to be hospitalized in the United States. Hospitalization, uh, usually primarily, uh, children under five and dehydration are the most frequent co-diagnosis." Huh. Yeah, probably dehydrated and then you drank that shitty water.

Joe Schilling 58:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:09 Like, the fact that dehydration is, like, one of the co-inciding factors, like, yeah, dude, that-

Joe Schilling 58:13 Or that dirty water gets you so sick that you piss and shit-

Joe Rogan 58:16 Probably both, right?

Joe Schilling 58:17 ... all the water out of you.

Joe Rogan 58:18 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 58:18 It's like babies get-

Joe Rogan 58:19 For sure.

Joe Schilling 58:19 ... dehydrated when they're sick, right?

Joe Rogan 58:21 Yeah, that's probably a better perspective. That's more likely.

Joe Schilling 58:22 That's what Pedialyte's for, right?

Joe Rogan 58:23 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 58:24 Yep.

Joe Rogan 58:24 Yep.

Joe Schilling 58:25 Yep.

Joe Rogan 58:25 Do you take any, uh, electrolytes? Like when you're training?

Joe Schilling 58:29 Not really.

Joe Rogan 58:30 Dude, I just started over the last year.

Joe Schilling 58:32 Take a little water-

Joe Rogan 58:32 I started taking one of my sponsors, they sent me this, uh, liquid IV stuff. Electrolytes make a big fucking difference.

Joe Schilling 58:38 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 58:39 Yeah, it makes a big difference in how quickly you hydrate, it makes a big difference in stopping cramps. Stops all the cramps.

Joe Schilling 58:45 Well, I heard that being dehydrate- any level of dehydration, like, reduces athletic output by, like, 20% or something.

Joe Rogan 58:52 Which is one of the things-

Joe Schilling 58:53 A lot.

Joe Rogan 58:53 ... I've been fucking sounding the alarm on forever.

Joe Schilling 58:56 Forever.

Joe Rogan 58:56 We gotta stop weight cutting.

Joe Schilling 58:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:58 Guys.

Joe Schilling 58:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:59 I want, I want people to fight healthy and I want them to fight for as long as they can. Look, DC had kidney failure before, and that's why he didn't get into the Olympics at one point.

Joe Schilling 59:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:09 Kidney failure.

Joe Schilling 59:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:10 Daniel Cormier.

Joe Schilling 59:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:12 You know, he's had real problems from cutting weight, man. It's fucking terrible for you. That's why he fights so good at heavyweight.

Joe Schilling 59:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:19 You know, when he's at heavyweight, he doesn't have to deal with any of that bullshit. He can just eat and train and just recover. When you're dehydrating yourself to that extent, the extent that some guy... Like Paulo Costa-

Joe Schilling 59:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:30 ... that motherfucker. Chael Sonnen had a video he had on YouTube. I, I urge you to go to Chael Sen- Sonnen's YouTube and listen to him talk about it. He was watching Paulo Costa, he said Paulo Costa is 230 plus pounds. He cuts down to 185 for a fight. That's insane. That's insane.

Joe Schilling 59:46 How low does he get before it's just water?

Joe Rogan 59:48 I don't know, man. You gotta see the video of him now.

Joe Schilling 59:50 He looks-

Joe Rogan 59:51 He looks like a fucking heavyweight. You know, 'cause he recovered from surgery, right? So he had, um, I believe he severed one of his biceps after his fight with Yoel.

Joe Schilling 1:00:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 So he had to get it reattached and it's a long recovery process. So, uh-

Joe Schilling 1:00:05 I guess he just got big.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 He's huge, man.

Joe Schilling 1:00:08 Well, it's like Anthony Johnson.

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 Yep.

Joe Schilling 1:00:10 He, he was like fighting at, what, 170?

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 170.

Joe Schilling 1:00:12 I remember-

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 1:00:13 ... when he was on the local circuit out here and he was fighting at 70 and then keep going up, keep going up, keep going up.

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 Thing is, if he can make 70, for the first, you know, few minutes until his body starts giving out, holy shit.

Joe Schilling 1:00:26 That dude's terrifying-

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 Terrifying.

Joe Schilling 1:00:27 ... no matter what weight class he's in.

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 Terrifying as a light heavyweight.

Joe Schilling 1:00:30 Take him at 170, like, this motherfucker?

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 Bro, icing people like Glover Teixeira with one punch as a light heavyweight.

Joe Schilling 1:00:36 And he just throws everything with zero fucks. I love it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 Zero fucks.

Joe Schilling 1:00:39 I love it. And he's like, "You gonna take me down?" Whoom, just fucking giving it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 Also, he got an iron chin.

Joe Schilling 1:00:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 That's a big factor. Like, Anthony can take it.

Joe Schilling 1:00:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 You, you can't just put him out. He hits so goddamn hard, man.

Joe Schilling 1:00:53 So hard.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 The fucking, uh, Minotaur punch, when he clipped him with that uppercut and flat-lined him.

Joe Schilling 1:00:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 He did the same thing to Glover. He just can... He could take people out with one shot like nobody else in this world.

Joe Schilling 1:01:05 And Glover was on, like, a 20-fight or something crazy-

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Something crazy.

Joe Schilling 1:01:08 ... win sh- win streak, right?

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 Well, he lost to Jon Jones before that. Jon Jones did some really clever shit in that fight, and he did something that I'm kind of amazed that people don't do more often. Jon, um, had an overhook on Glover's arm, and, and they were in a clinch, and Jon wrenched his fucking arm up in a way that I've never seen anybody do before.

Joe Schilling 1:01:27 Like, mirror lock style?

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Schilling 1:01:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah?

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 Like, like, he almost... You know, like a shoulder lock.

Joe Schilling 1:01:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 He got him in some kind of a shoulder lock, and he did it from there, right? So Jon has his arm... Like, he's got... Uh, Glover's got an ar... He, like, gave him the underhook, and Jon's got his arm, and Jon... He... See, it was right there. And Jon-

Joe Schilling 1:01:44 Ah, that's a mirror lock.

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 Fucking-

Joe Schilling 1:01:46 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 ... yanked his fucking shoulder, and afterwards Glover was telling me, he's like, "Oh, my shoulder's fucked." He kept fighting the fight with it, but made a big impact on his ability-

Joe Schilling 1:01:55 For sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 ... to throw the right hand and grapple. It was pretty... There, that savage shoulder crank. It was a pretty savage, man. It was pretty savage. And what's, what's interesting is, again, it's not... Here, let's see it. Let's watch it. Very rare, man. Look at that.

Joe Schilling 1:02:08 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 And did a couple times. Dude. I mean, he's f- He fucked his shoulder there.

Joe Schilling 1:02:15 And we all have fucked up shoulders anyway.

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 Everybody does.

Joe Schilling 1:02:17 You know, it's just so bad.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 Such a weird joint.

Joe Schilling 1:02:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 And for a guy like Jon, who first of all has massive leverage-

Joe Schilling 1:02:24 Oh, he's the best there.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 This is a terrible one. Boom.

Joe Schilling 1:02:26 Cosmo, ugh. Cosmo's a G.

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 He's a bad motherfucker.

Joe Schilling 1:02:28 Shout out to Cosmo. Such a bad motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 That's due to, uh, Fu-... Sage Northcutt in, uh, ONE FC, and, fra- fraction of his face.

Joe Schilling 1:02:33 Did everybody see that coming? I saw that lineup, and I was like, "Bro, this is totally what's gonna happen."

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 They want that to happen.

Joe Schilling 1:02:39 For sure.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 There's something about ONE FC, and I'm not, I'm not saying the UFC wouldn't do the exact same thing, 'cause they absolutely would.

Joe Schilling 1:02:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 But they would love to have those guys-

Joe Schilling 1:02:47 Coming and getting their ass kicked.

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 ... and have them come over there and get their ass kicked. The only one who's, like, proved everybody wrong, has... Not even proved everybody wrong, but proven his greatness in that regard is DJ, 'cause DJ's still dominating.

Joe Schilling 1:02:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 Mighty Mouse is still dominating, even over there. They're throwing their best killers at him, and he's still dominating.

Joe Schilling 1:03:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 But he's just so technical.

Joe Schilling 1:03:04 He's so good.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 He is so good.

Joe Schilling 1:03:06 He is so good.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 Good.

Joe Schilling 1:03:07 If you wanna teach somebody... Like, you wanna show somebody what, like, the best is, like that's it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Mighty Mouse.

Joe Schilling 1:03:12 Mighty Mouse. No, no argument.

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 Though I say The Goat is Jon Jones, and I say The Goat is Jon Jones 'cause Jon Jones has beat everybody in his fucking division. He's never lost to anybody.

Joe Schilling 1:03:23 You can't.

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 Anybody.

Joe Schilling 1:03:23 You can't look at Jon, at Jon Jones and the guys he's beat and say he's not the best.

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 Look at Paul Costa. He's fucking huge.

Joe Schilling 1:03:28 Fucking insane.

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 He's huge.

Joe Schilling 1:03:30 That is fucking insane.

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 Look how big he is. He's so big.

Joe Schilling 1:03:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 So Chael Sonnen's video's excellent, and he says he's 230-plus pounds. And look, not fat.

Joe Schilling 1:03:42 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 Gigantic. So Jon, I think Jon's The Goat. Jon's beat everybody. He turned back every single challenge. He's never lost once. The only fight that he has an L was the disqualification, a fight he was totally dominant in.

Joe Schilling 1:03:55 Yeah, Matt Hamill.

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 If anything, that fight should be changed to a no-contest, and, uh, and also, that rule should be amended. It's a silly rule. It doesn't make any sense.

Joe Schilling 1:04:02 Super stupid rule.

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 It's one of the dumbest rules that we still keep.

Joe Schilling 1:04:05 That's, again, another thing where I say, like, we all know it's stupid, but they don't change it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 You know what's crazy, dude?

Joe Schilling 1:04:10 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 It's not even the best elbow. Like, you know it's not the best elbow.

Joe Schilling 1:04:13 No.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 That's not the best elbow. Like, you're an elbow expert.

Joe Schilling 1:04:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 You can speak to this.

Joe Schilling 1:04:17 Yeah. No, it's not gre-

Joe Rogan 1:04:18 You're Stitch 'Em Up Joe Schilling.

Joe Schilling 1:04:19 It's not great. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 1:04:20 It's not a great elbow.

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 It's, it's okay.

Joe Schilling 1:04:22 It's a fun elbow for Muay Thai. Like, the downward-

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 Oh, yeah.

Joe Schilling 1:04:24 ... elbow is, like, it's f-... G-shit for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:04:26 It's G-shit.

Joe Schilling 1:04:27 I love doing that.

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 Yeah.

Joe Schilling 1:04:28 For sure doing that.

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 If you could step on a dude's thigh and ong bak him right in the fucking dump-

Joe Schilling 1:04:32 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:33 ... like, bang.

Joe Schilling 1:04:33 I mean, I've never been... I'm not gonna ong bak anybody, but, like, a jump elbow-

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 Woo-hoo.

Joe Schilling 1:04:36 ... like, I'm... Anytime I fought in Thailand, I always had at least one or two of those in the fight.

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 Oh, my God.

Joe Schilling 1:04:40 For sure I'm gonna throw that. But that's not the power... That's not the most dangerous... Like, they... Well, they... You, you've told this story 100 times, but they thought 'cause he could break blocks-

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 Ice.

Joe Schilling 1:04:49 ... of ice that that... It's too dangerous.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 (laughs)

Joe Schilling 1:04:51 That's too dangerous.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 That's literally what they said. But meanwhile, that, that position doesn't even exist on the ground anyway. If they understood leverage of, like, the human body, the position of... Whoops. The position of standing... Oh, I just killed the light.

Joe Schilling 1:05:03 I got it. It's, there's a plug. I got it.

Joe Rogan 1:05:04 Oh, sorry. Uh, we have this floating magnetic light that I just killed. Did I pull the thing out of the...

Joe Schilling 1:05:12 Yeah,