Joe Rogan Experience #1497 - Joe Schilling

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   Stitch 'em up. What's…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      Stitch 'em up. What's up, brother?

   2. JSJoe Schilling0:04

      How you doing, Joe?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:05

      We're going ... We're, we're, we're rolling.

   4. JSJoe Schilling0:06

      Rolling.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      So, um, I've been talking about you a lot lately.

   6. JSJoe Schilling0:09

      I appreciate that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      First of all, you know I love you.

   8. JSJoe Schilling0:11

      I love you too.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      But it's also, your Instagram page has become a highlight of police brutality. And, um, I know you take a lot of shit for it, but I think it's very important. And we were just talking about this. I think it's important not just for the people, but I think it's important for the police. I think it's important for police reform. I think they need to see, like, this is, this is what happens when you have shitty people doing this very fucking difficult job, and you got a lot of them.

   10. JSJoe Schilling0:39

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Yeah.

   12. JSJoe Schilling0:41

       I think, you know, my thing was it just became ... A- everybody just always says, "Well, it's, it's only a few bad apples, a few bad apples, a few bad apples." And I'm like, "Well, I could just show you there's a lot of these bad apples." You know what I mean?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Yeah.

   14. JSJoe Schilling0:52

       And I think that, like you said, it's better for future police. But if they're so scared to do their job, it's because everyone hates them. It's because everybody hates them 'cause they're constantly being dickheads to everybody, that makes it worse for the good cops. You know what I mean?

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       I, I do know what you mean. We, we ... I was talking about this the other day with Colion Noir, and we were saying that it's a job that is almost impossible to do for the average person. You need to be, like, a fucking Navy SEAL. You need to be, like, a person who's gone through some rigorous training and a person who really understands how to defuse situations. You need to be a person who knows how to keep your shit together, a person who knows how to respect people. They need a lot more training. Jocko Willink was talking about that.

   16. JSJoe Schilling1:34

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       He said, "I think they should have 20% training." He goes, "They, they train for, like, you know, a couple of weeks."

   18. JSJoe Schilling1:40

       Like, nine weeks or something.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       Yeah. "And then it's over. And then they're out there in the field." He goes, "I think-"

   20. JSJoe Schilling1:44

       You know what?

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       "... 20% of their time should be spent training."

   22. JSJoe Schilling1:46

       I don't mean to interrupt you, but you know what's even worse than that, is it's not nine weeks and then they're in the field. In LA County, you wanna be a sheriff, it's nine weeks or however long. And if it's 10 weeks, I'm sorry, or 12 weeks, it's not that many weeks. Right out of the academy, you go straight to two years in the s- in the jail. They're like, oh, all the s- all the human interaction you've had before you went to the academy, now we're gonna surround you by the worst examples of everybody for two years. And then you're gonna go on the streets and try to be normal.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       You go to jails for two years?

   24. JSJoe Schilling2:14

       Two-year minimum.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:16

       What?

   26. JSJoe Schilling2:16

       All, all sheriffs have to do-

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       That's probably 'cause they just need people in the jails, right?

   28. JSJoe Schilling2:21

       Well, that goes back to what ... Uh. I mean, I feel like they, uh ... Oh, we got a long way to-

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       There's a lot of shit going on there.

   30. JSJoe Schilling2:28

       We got a long way to go.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      "The job is hard, man." Like, there's days where you literally d- you would... You think about taking your own life so you don't have to see anything anymore. They say that.

   2. JSJoe Schilling15:11

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      I've heard that from cops, and these are not cops that are abusive. They're cops that are just like, "Man, I'm telling you." It's like, you get overwhelmed. Like, you can only walk up on so many suicides, so many shotgun wounds to the face. You can only walk up on so many of those and keep your sanity.

   4. JSJoe Schilling15:25

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:26

      And, you know, the other thing that Jocko Willink was saying was that it's, it's the same thing in the teams. Like, psychologically some people can handle anything, and some people cannot handle anything. Some people, it's just one or two things and they're off tilt. They just can't.

   6. JSJoe Schilling15:42

      Oh, for sure.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:43

      And, but some people, they can go back home to their family and be a good dad and be a good husband and be a good neighbor and be a good person and just, you know, just absorb it, and just, uh, you know, go, "Well, you know, it's horrible, but hey, that's life."

   8. JSJoe Schilling15:57

      That's tough. Then that's another area that needs to be reformed is mental health with officers-

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:02

      Yeah.

   10. JSJoe Schilling16:02

       ... or whatever. But we can't just ignore the whole, the whole thing and say, "Well, the- you know, it's t- it's a tough job."

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       No. No, we can't. We-

   12. JSJoe Schilling16:08

       It's like the Chris Rock thing about, like, you can't be a, a sometimes a good pilot-

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       Right.

   14. JSJoe Schilling16:13

       ... and be a pilot. You can't just crash into things. You can't-

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       Yeah.

   16. JSJoe Schilling16:15

       ... go without-

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       Can't be a bad apple.

   18. JSJoe Schilling16:16

       ... with- without accountability.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Yeah.

   20. JSJoe Schilling16:18

       You know? Which, uh, off-topic, but like, that's how I feel about judges. Like, how many fights can you screw up-

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:23

       Yes.

   22. JSJoe Schilling16:23

       ... before there's an accountability there?

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       Yes. Yes.

   24. JSJoe Schilling16:25

       You know what I mean?

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       Yeah. No, that's a real good point. Yeah. I mean, it's like basically every job, you know. Um, it's just some jobs have much higher consequences, and cops, uh, it's like the highest. It's one of the highest. Uh, cops, soldiers is a, a few with the, the highest consequences of your mistakes.

   26. JSJoe Schilling16:41

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:42

       You know? And, uh-

   28. JSJoe Schilling16:43

       And zero accountability.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       Very little. Very little.

   30. JSJoe Schilling16:45

       They only do... Cops don't get- don't go to regular court. They get, uh, in- internal investigations.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Right. …

   1. JSJoe Schilling30:00

      they, they should b- have the same wherewithal that you and I are having-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      Right.

   3. JSJoe Schilling30:02

      ... in this conversation to be like, "Oh, dude. Fu- what are you doing, bro?"

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Yeah.

   5. JSJoe Schilling30:05

      "Go ... Your wife's probably pissed you're dum- drunk right now. Get home."

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      And that's one of the ones where the Atlanta Police Department's all walking off in solidarity because the guy was charged with felony murder.

   7. JSJoe Schilling30:14

      And so they all quit?

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:16

      Yeah. A lot of 'em are just not responding to things. They're, they basically don't feel like they're supported and they want to let people know, like, "This is what we do. This is how hard this job is, so this is what it's like when cops don't respond."

   9. JSJoe Schilling30:30

      That is the most idiotic, baby, little child shit to do. I, I can't even get behind that at all. "Well, if you ... I'm taking my ball and I'm going home then. If you don't want me here, then I'm leaving."

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       I don't even know-

   11. JSJoe Schilling30:41

       It's ridiculous.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       It's not gonna change the, the ...... the, the charges. If they charged him with felony murder, they're not gonna un-charge him with felony murder because the cops aren't responding. And once it's like-

   13. JSJoe Schilling30:54

       It just shows how much they don't care about their community. They don't care about their oath. They don't care about protecting and serving for you to do that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       Well, they care about staying together, you know? It's what we were saying earlier, like, but this is... That's the oath, right? The th- that's the, you know, the code of silence. You, you have to protect those other people because the shit could go down. You need them to have your back. It's, it's... I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying that is how it works in the police department.

   15. JSJoe Schilling31:22

       That's terrible.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       Did you ever see the documentary, The Seven Five?

   17. JSJoe Schilling31:25

       I didn't.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       You should see it. It's fucking crazy.

   19. JSJoe Schilling31:27

       What is it, The Seven Five?

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       The Seven Five. It is all about, uh, this guy. It's this guy, Mike Dowd, who's out now, who, uh, became a corrupt police officer. Just joined the force because he wanted to be a cop. And then right away, was introduced to the fact that this whole fucking thing is bad. It's all corrupt. They're all bad cops. They're all doing fucked up shit. I'm pretty sure they pushed a guy out of a window, like one of the first days that he got there. Someone got killed. And they would just say, "This is how it works." And then cut to many years later, he's robbing drug dealers and selling drugs, and they're organizing hits on people. Like, it's a crazy fucking movie. And it's from his words and his former partner's words, and it just details how everything went completely sideways. And it just shows you, like imagine if you were one of those guys and that's your job. You're a fucking cop, and you're in this precinct with all these other corrupt cops and you're like, "Well, this is what we do. So this is what we do. We're just corrupt."

   21. JSJoe Schilling32:25

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:26

       Fuck.

   23. JSJoe Schilling32:27

       It's like the mob mentality with the protests, right? You get a good protest or the people protesting a real thing, people that are having a peaceful march doing that stuff, and then you compound... They have been locked in their house for two months. Everybody's broke. They're losing their businesses.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:42

       Yeah.

   25. JSJoe Schilling32:42

       Shit's getting fucking weird. They're just going crazy. And, but they're, they're there in the protest. Now you have some asshole come up with a hammer and break a bunch of windows and start creating the drama. It, it causes a mob mentality, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:54

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JSJoe Schilling32:54

       It's like people are smart, but mop- mobs are stupid, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:57

       Yeah.

   29. JSJoe Schilling32:57

       Where a person is smart, people are stupid. That same thing happened to the cops, right? You're on a team. One guy starts doing shit like, "Pff, bro, just shoot him in the face with a beanbag. No one will see it." "Ah, he fucking got one. Hell yeah. Right on. Pass me the gun." Boom. And they're all doing the same shit.

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:11

       There's definitely a lot of that.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. Seriously, "So what's…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Trump and he's, he's not even doing it like he's his dad, you know? Like if I was sitting there with my dad I'd be like, "All right dude, tell me what's up. What's going on with the aliens, Pops?"

   2. JSJoe Schilling45:08

      Yeah. Seriously, "So what's going on with the aliens?"

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      "What have you got back there, dude?" And also I woulda asked that question four fucking years ago, day one. I'd be like, "Come on, dude."

   4. JSJoe Schilling45:18

      As soon as, as soon as you walked in.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:20

      "Aliens." Yeah.

   6. JSJoe Schilling45:21

      "Let's talk aliens."

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:21

      I would run for president just to find out. Just to win and fight.

   8. JSJoe Schilling45:24

      I think you should run for president, Joe.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:26

      Fuck that, dude. Fuck.

   10. JSJoe Schilling45:26

       You should absolutely run for president.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       Listen, listen, listen. I could cancel for all Joey Diaz conversations. (laughs)

   12. JSJoe Schilling45:31

       You could, you could do, like, the, uh, presidential addresses and just do a stand-up bit the whole time, every time.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:38

       That would, it would have to be that. It would have to be like some seriousness and some, uh, like, some ... But, you know, life is so preposterous. And it's more preposterous now than it's ever been before.

   14. JSJoe Schilling45:50

       It's nuts.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       And th- and meanwhile-

   16. JSJoe Schilling45:51

       It's just nuts.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       ... there's no stand-up. The only person doing stand-up right now is Ben ... There's a few guys that just started doing shows. I'm actually in Houston this weekend for the first time in three months. I haven't done any stand-up. Chappelle's doing regular shows in Ohio.

   18. JSJoe Schilling46:04

       Really?

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       He's got a outside wedding, like, uh, pavilion and he's got it set up where everybody's socially distanced. They all wear masks in the crowd, they have Chappelle masks. So they'll have, like, the C on their mask, there in the crowd.

   20. JSJoe Schilling46:20

       That's cool.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       And it's, uh, my, my buddy Donnell did it and he said he loves it. And Dave's like, "Listen man, I gotta do something. I gotta figure this out." And it's all been approved by the governor, everybody's, you know, distanced six feet apart, they all maintain social distancing during the show, they wear a mask during the show.

   22. JSJoe Schilling46:38

       How long are we gonna-

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:38

       What's this?

   24. JSJoe Schilling46:39

       How long are we gonna keep doing this?

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:41

       "Texas governor urges people to stay home as states report surges of new COVID-19 cases." Yeah, you wanna see the photo of the Austin protest?

   26. NANarrator46:51

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:51

       You seen it?

   28. JSJoe Schilling46:51

       Uh-huh.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:51

       It's crazy. You know, Austin, which is the most progressive city in, uh, Texas had this insane protest which, listen, I think is great, I do. I think it's great that people wanna show solidarity, that people want to, uh, to get out there and, and let everybody know that they're, they're not down with p- police brutality and that they're, they're, they're down with racial equality and that ... You got all these thousands and thousands of people together to have the same positive message. I love it. However, (laughs) that COVID doesn't give a fuck about racial equality or social justice. If you're, if you're not healthy, it's gonna get ya.

   30. JSJoe Schilling47:31

       I don't know, man and that's-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:05:13

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

   2. JSJoe Schilling1:00:00

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      So he had to get it reattached and it's a long recovery process. So, uh-

   4. JSJoe Schilling1:00:05

      I guess he just got big.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      He's huge, man.

   6. JSJoe Schilling1:00:08

      Well, it's like Anthony Johnson.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

      Yep.

   8. JSJoe Schilling1:00:10

      He, he was like fighting at, what, 170?

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

      170.

   10. JSJoe Schilling1:00:12

       I remember-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

       Yeah.

   12. JSJoe Schilling1:00:13

       ... when he was on the local circuit out here and he was fighting at 70 and then keep going up, keep going up, keep going up.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

       Thing is, if he can make 70, for the first, you know, few minutes until his body starts giving out, holy shit.

   14. JSJoe Schilling1:00:26

       That dude's terrifying-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

       Terrifying.

   16. JSJoe Schilling1:00:27

       ... no matter what weight class he's in.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:29

       Terrifying as a light heavyweight.

   18. JSJoe Schilling1:00:30

       Take him at 170, like, this motherfucker?

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

       Bro, icing people like Glover Teixeira with one punch as a light heavyweight.

   20. JSJoe Schilling1:00:36

       And he just throws everything with zero fucks. I love it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

       Zero fucks.

   22. JSJoe Schilling1:00:39

       I love it. And he's like, "You gonna take me down?" Whoom, just fucking giving it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       Also, he got an iron chin.

   24. JSJoe Schilling1:00:44

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       That's a big factor. Like, Anthony can take it.

   26. JSJoe Schilling1:00:47

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       You, you can't just put him out. He hits so goddamn hard, man.

   28. JSJoe Schilling1:00:53

       So hard.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       The fucking, uh, Minotaur punch, when he clipped him with that uppercut and flat-lined him.

   30. JSJoe Schilling1:00:57

       Mm-hmm.

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