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Joe Rogan Experience #1497 - Joe Schilling

Joe Schilling is an American Muay Thai kickboxer and MMA fighter who competes in the super middleweight and light heavyweight and the Middleweight division of Bellator MMA.

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Jun 25, 20202h 54mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:01 – 1:06

    Why Schilling posts police-brutality videos (and why it matters for reform)

    1. JR

      Stitch 'em up. What's up, brother?

    2. JS

      How you doing, Joe?

    3. JR

      We're going ... We're, we're, we're rolling.

    4. JS

      Rolling.

    5. JR

      So, um, I've been talking about you a lot lately.

    6. JS

      I appreciate that.

    7. JR

      First of all, you know I love you.

    8. JS

      I love you too.

    9. JR

      But it's also, your Instagram page has become a highlight of police brutality. And, um, I know you take a lot of shit for it, but I think it's very important. And we were just talking about this. I think it's important not just for the people, but I think it's important for the police. I think it's important for police reform. I think they need to see, like, this is, this is what happens when you have shitty people doing this very fucking difficult job, and you got a lot of them.

    10. JS

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. JS

      I think, you know, my thing was it just became ... A- everybody just always says, "Well, it's, it's only a few bad apples, a few bad apples, a few bad apples." And I'm like, "Well, I could just show you there's a lot of these bad apples." You know what I mean?

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. JS

      And I think that, like you said, it's better for future police. But if they're so scared to do their job, it's because everyone hates them. It's because everybody hates them 'cause they're constantly being dickheads to everybody, that makes it worse for the good cops. You know what I mean?

  2. 1:06 – 5:02

    Training gaps, jail culture, and the prison pipeline

    1. JR

      I, I do know what you mean. We, we ... I was talking about this the other day with Colion Noir, and we were saying that it's a job that is almost impossible to do for the average person. You need to be, like, a fucking Navy SEAL. You need to be, like, a person who's gone through some rigorous training and a person who really understands how to defuse situations. You need to be a person who knows how to keep your shit together, a person who knows how to respect people. They need a lot more training. Jocko Willink was talking about that.

    2. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      He said, "I think they should have 20% training." He goes, "They, they train for, like, you know, a couple of weeks."

    4. JS

      Like, nine weeks or something.

    5. JR

      Yeah. "And then it's over. And then they're out there in the field." He goes, "I think-"

    6. JS

      You know what?

    7. JR

      "... 20% of their time should be spent training."

    8. JS

      I don't mean to interrupt you, but you know what's even worse than that, is it's not nine weeks and then they're in the field. In LA County, you wanna be a sheriff, it's nine weeks or however long. And if it's 10 weeks, I'm sorry, or 12 weeks, it's not that many weeks. Right out of the academy, you go straight to two years in the s- in the jail. They're like, oh, all the s- all the human interaction you've had before you went to the academy, now we're gonna surround you by the worst examples of everybody for two years. And then you're gonna go on the streets and try to be normal.

    9. JR

      You go to jails for two years?

    10. JS

      Two-year minimum.

    11. JR

      What?

    12. JS

      All, all sheriffs have to do-

    13. JR

      That's probably 'cause they just need people in the jails, right?

    14. JS

      Well, that goes back to what ... Uh. I mean, I feel like they, uh ... Oh, we got a long way to-

    15. JR

      There's a lot of shit going on there.

    16. JS

      We got a long way to go.

    17. JR

      There's a lot of shit going on there. First of all, there's private prisons, then there's drug laws. That's, that's ... Those are the two big ones. You wanna find out why the fucking prisons are filled up with people, those are two big ones right there. How many people are in jail for shit they should never be in jail for? Decisions that other people make with their own body that doesn't harm anybody other than themselves. You could buy alcohol, but you can't buy coke, you can't buy weed, you can't buy ...

    18. JS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      Non-violent drug offenses is a giant percentage of the population.

    20. JS

      And then you said, like, you, you ... They go to jail for that because they made a mistake. But then they don't just get out of jail and they're free. They put you on probation, and they put these extended five years probation. Anything's a probation violation.

    21. JR

      Yep.

    22. JS

      And then they just keep you back into that same system, back into the same system-

    23. JR

      Yep.

    24. JS

      ... back to the same system. You know, Father's Day, I was, uh, I was out back. I did, like, a post around my kids. I'm re- ... You know I'm really proud of my kids. So I did a post on Father's Day, then I was like, "Man, it's Father's Day, I'm gonna chill, I'ma smoke a joint, fucking crack a beer." It's like, 10:00 in the morning, I can do that on Father's Day, you know? And, uh, I'm sitting there and I'm r- I smoke a joint, and I'm like, "Oh, I'm gonna do a post for Ignite." Shout-out to Ignite. And, uh, I'm like ... It hit me, like, it's Father's Day. How many fathers are in prison right now, still, to this day, over something that I can do legally and post on the Instagram now?

    25. JR

      Right.

    26. JS

      It's insane.

    27. JR

      Not only that-

    28. JS

      It's insane.

    29. JR

      ... in jail for something that's now an essential. Like, it's a, it-

    30. JS

      It is essential.

  3. 5:02 – 6:32

    Defunding vs. demilitarizing: what policing should (and shouldn’t) buy

    1. JR

      And they don't, they don't get trained well enough. And this defunding the police shit is the wrong way to handle it. I know they think it's the right way to handle it. "Yeah, we're just ... These cops are bad, we'll just take away all the money." Oh, my God, you're gonna create fucking chaos.

    2. JS

      I don't know, I haven't looked into the defunding thing a lot. I've heard it ... heard about it a lot. But when you talk about defunding, let's talk about why do, why do these cops need fucking tanks in downtown? Why do these cops need all these AR-15s and full bullet ... Like, what is all ... What are we training for?

    3. JR

      We're sh- trying to scare people, and that's, that's all the-

    4. JS

      Why are we, why are we spending all of these tax dollars to scare people? And then-

    5. JR

      I'm gonna show you some shit that John Joseph sent me, my buddy John Joseph from The Cro-Mags. He's, um ... This is a show that people who have different points of view can be good friends, 'cause he's a good friend of mine. He wrote a book called Meat is for Pussies.

    6. JS

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      So there you go, folks. We can all get along. We really can, you fucking idiots. (laughs)

    8. JS

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      But any- but anyway, he, uh, he sent me some shit. His friend is, uh, he's working homicide in Harlem. And 21 people got shot the other day because nobody wants to be a cop there anymore. So it's fucking madness. Like, he said, "It is madness in New York City."... like, literally. Goddamn it, where can't I find it? Like, nobody wants to do the fucking job. He's like, "It's, it's crazy down there."

    10. JS

      They didn't wanna do the job before, and they don't wanna do the job now that the heat and the spotlight is on them-

    11. JR

      Both.

    12. JS

      ... and how everybody's r- resigning. "Well, if I can't, if I can't do whatever I want and have absolute immunity, then I don't want the job anymore." He shouldn't have had the fucking job to begin with.

    13. JR

      That's a good point too.

    14. JS

      You know what I mean?

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. JS

      Like, why did you have the job?

  4. 6:32 – 9:39

    Looting, stand-down orders, and the dilemma of riot response

    1. JR

      All right, look at this. This is all the fucking people that got shot the other night. That's one day. This is what's ... That's what happens when there's no cops. When there's no cops and no one's policing anything, people just go HAM. I mean, that's what you saw in Santa Monica. Santa Monica is as white as Wonder Bread, right?

    2. JS

      It's crazy, yeah.

    3. JR

      And, and it was crazy during the looting. I mean crazy. The cops were told to stand down. They were told to stand around and watch. So, the whole thing of, you know, "Hey, w- you need the cops. When you call them, you need them. When shit goes crazy, the cops are there for you." Not that time. The sheriff actually told them to not do anything. So people were smashing windows and stealing things, and they're standing around and there's, there's videos of this one guy running around the street pointing guns at people, cars smashing into each other. It's like a movie.

    4. JS

      What was the point of telling them to stand down?

    5. JR

      I think they-

    6. JS

      Where, where did-

    7. JR

      ... thought that people were gonna burn all this anger out, the George Floyd anger, and that somehow or another, like, let them do it and then we'll clean up the mess. It's just incompetent policing. It's incompetent leadership.

    8. JS

      So does the person that made that choice, do we vote for him? 'Cause everybody should probably-

    9. JR

      It's a girl.

    10. JS

      Oh, that, for her? Like, these are the kind of decisions that need to be made. I mean, you have to ask yourself, why would they ... What was the purpose in telling them that?

    11. JR

      Well, this is a liberal, uh, progressive perspective. They, this is, uh, something that they've tried in a bunch of different cities. They also ... De Blasio did the same thing in New York City. The cops were literally told to stand down. And they, the cops are standing there, and they're do- they're doing nothing while people are ... This fucking video's ... The videos from New York City are the nuttiest, 'cause people are filming them from their apartments.

    12. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    13. JR

      So they're looking down on the street while cars are running people over and people are smashing into windows and running in and stealing stuff. Like, all these kids just wanting free shit. Nothing to do with black lives for the most part.

    14. JS

      No, nothing.

    15. JR

      A lot of them were just opportunists looking for stealing, and then also caught up in the chaos of the smashing windows and stealing stuff, and then the cops aren't doing anything and they're young, and they've been out of work for three fucking months. And everybody's-

    16. JS

      Right.

    17. JR

      ... broke. It's just so many factors compounded together, but Giuliani was actually on Fox News talking about there's a, a particular, like, political perspective on how to deal with looting and riots in these particular situations, and the idea is to let it burn out. Let these people burn it out of their system, but that it doesn't work. He's like, "This is an outdated style of, of policing that they, they figured out doesn't work in like the '60s and '70s."

    18. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    19. JR

      "But there's a lot of progressive people that are in p- positions of leadership that still think it's a good idea."

    20. JS

      It seems like a terrible idea, yeah.

    21. JR

      Well, nobody knows really what the fuck to do when everything goes haywire. It's like theories. Like, what's the theo- like, what do you do? Well, you better protect lives, but don't worry about property, 'cause everything's gone nuts. And then the other perspective is send in the fucking National Guard, and everybody's like, "Don't do that, that's the military." So, I don't know what the correct perspective is. And thank God I'm not a fucking governor or a mayor. That's when you know things are fucked, if someone like me ever gets to a position like that.

    22. JS

      Yeah, I don't know, part of me thinks that the National Guard would be service, you know, off-duty servicemen or however that works, that are from this city or from the area, would probably do a lot better job and get more respect than the police that are driving around shooting kids with pepper balls and doing all this crazy shit we're seeing everywhere.

  5. 9:39 – 14:33

    Graphic examples and the ‘code of silence’ problem

    1. JR

      You would say that, but one of the most egregious videos of police brutality was the National Guard in Minnesota where those girls were on their porch, I don't know if you saw that one.

    2. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      And they're, they're wa- these National Guard dickheads are walking down the street like, "Get inside! Get inside!"

    4. JS

      I did see that one.

    5. JR

      And they go, "Light them up!" And they're shooting rubber bullets at these fucking girls in their house.

    6. JS

      It's insane.

    7. JR

      They're on their porch.

    8. JS

      It's insane.

    9. JR

      These girls got hit.

    10. JS

      It's insane.

    11. JR

      And she's like, "Ow, fuck!" And she's like inside her house. And then a bunch of people have lost eyes. There's a bunch of people who've lost eyes during this.

    12. JS

      Oh, yeah. There's so many ... And everyone now, everyone's just tagging me in videos and it, it's like-

    13. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    14. JS

      ... overwhelming. That kid that got shot in the face, other one lost his eye, like-

    15. JR

      Yeah, mel- multiple-

    16. JS

      You know?

    17. JR

      ... people have lost their eye.

    18. JS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      Journalists have lost their eyes.

    20. JS

      The video I posted of that guy, they're like all squared up, like at a ... He's like walking to him, talking shit or whatever-

    21. JR

      Yes.

    22. JS

      ... and he's like smoking a cigarette. And they mace him in the face and he turns around like a fucking G, like hits the cigarette like what a dick, turns back and they shoot him in the face point blank with like a, I think it's a-

    23. JR

      Canister.

    24. JS

      ... tear gas canister.

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. JS

      To the face.

    27. JR

      In the face. I saw it. I mean, it ex- explodes in his face. You know, who knows what happened to that guy.

    28. JS

      You know?

    29. JR

      But it's ... Yeah, that is not serving or protecting.

    30. JS

      On any level.

  6. 14:33 – 16:54

    Mental health, accountability, and rethinking who should be a cop

    1. JR

      You're giving people guns and power that... The, the psychological ramifications of that job must be crazy. If you're day in, day out seeing gunshots and fucking suicides and car accidents and stabbings and rape and all day long you're seeing the worst aspects of humanity, that- your mind gets fucked. I've talked to a lot of cops that are good guys, and they'll tell you, like, "The job is hard, man." Like, there's days where you literally d- you would... You think about taking your own life so you don't have to see anything anymore. They say that.

    2. JS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      I've heard that from cops, and these are not cops that are abusive. They're cops that are just like, "Man, I'm telling you." It's like, you get overwhelmed. Like, you can only walk up on so many suicides, so many shotgun wounds to the face. You can only walk up on so many of those and keep your sanity.

    4. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      And, you know, the other thing that Jocko Willink was saying was that it's, it's the same thing in the teams. Like, psychologically some people can handle anything, and some people cannot handle anything. Some people, it's just one or two things and they're off tilt. They just can't.

    6. JS

      Oh, for sure.

    7. JR

      And, but some people, they can go back home to their family and be a good dad and be a good husband and be a good neighbor and be a good person and just, you know, just absorb it, and just, uh, you know, go, "Well, you know, it's horrible, but hey, that's life."

    8. JS

      That's tough. Then that's another area that needs to be reformed is mental health with officers-

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. JS

      ... or whatever. But we can't just ignore the whole, the whole thing and say, "Well, the- you know, it's t- it's a tough job."

    11. JR

      No. No, we can't. We-

    12. JS

      It's like the Chris Rock thing about, like, you can't be a, a sometimes a good pilot-

    13. JR

      Right.

    14. JS

      ... and be a pilot. You can't just crash into things. You can't-

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. JS

      ... go without-

    17. JR

      Can't be a bad apple.

    18. JS

      ... with- without accountability.

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. JS

      You know? Which, uh, off-topic, but like, that's how I feel about judges. Like, how many fights can you screw up-

    21. JR

      Yes.

    22. JS

      ... before there's an accountability there?

    23. JR

      Yes. Yes.

    24. JS

      You know what I mean?

    25. JR

      Yeah. No, that's a real good point. Yeah. I mean, it's like basically every job, you know. Um, it's just some jobs have much higher consequences, and cops, uh, it's like the highest. It's one of the highest. Uh, cops, soldiers is a, a few with the, the highest consequences of your mistakes.

    26. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    27. JR

      You know? And, uh-

    28. JS

      And zero accountability.

    29. JR

      Very little. Very little.

    30. JS

      They only do... Cops don't get- don't go to regular court. They get, uh, in- internal investigations.

  7. 16:54 – 31:22

    High-profile cases and nonviolent-call alternatives (Breonna Taylor, hotel shooting, Wendy’s)

    1. JR

      That woman, what is her name? B- Brianna Taylor? Is that her name? The woman who got shot in her home. Um, and then, uh, pshh, they, they... No knock warrant, kicked down the wrong door, um, shot-

    2. JS

      Shot through the window. She was playing with a v- with her son or her little brother or somebody on the- in the bed with a video game. And then they charged her boyfriend or husband with-

    3. JR

      Attempted murder.

    4. JS

      ... attempted murder for shooting back at the person who's shooting through the window with- they didn't even tell them they were cops.

    5. JR

      Right. And he's-

    6. JS

      Insane.

    7. JR

      ... I mean, they have this guy cuffed in a fucking jumpsuit going to jail. It's crazy. It's... And the, and the cop who did that only got fired. That's it.

    8. JS

      There was another one where the guy got did-

    9. JR

      And just now, just now got fired, by the way. That, that happened quite a while ago.

    10. JS

      Uh, the, the one I posted of the guy in the hotel where they called the-

    11. JR

      Oh.

    12. JS

      ... he had a pellet gun because he was, like, a out-of-town exterminator-

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. JS

      ... and he's with his girlfriend in a hotel room, and they call the cops. The cops come and they're, like, lined up down the hall with an AR15 screaming ridiculous orders.

    15. JR

      Yes. Crawl.

    16. JS

      Ridiculous orders.

    17. JR

      Crawl over here.

    18. JS

      Hands behind your back. Crawl while you have- scratch your head and your temple but don't fucking move or I'll kill you.

    19. JR

      Don't reach back. They kept- the guy kept losing his pants 'cause he doesn't have a belt on. He's crying. He's like, "Please, please." And they just fucking gun him down while he's bellied down.

    20. JS

      So they already knew what they wanted to do and they're waiting for him to give the reason.

    21. JR

      Well, exactly.

    22. JS

      It's not hard to tell that guy is not a threat, just like it's not hard to tell that that woman... Like, the one where the- they throw the woman down and she jumps... The cop, the cop jumps on her back and puts her in a rear naked choke. What do you do when you argue with your wife at home or your sister or your girlfriend? Like, when... At what point does your-... where do you get the right to just jump to that conclusion?

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. JS

      Just because you're a cop? That woman's not a threat to you.

    25. JR

      No, no.

    26. JS

      That old man that I posted yesterday, they body slammed h- you know, it's just ...

    27. JR

      I don't know if you saw the one where there was a-

    28. JS

      So much shit.

    29. JR

      ... a guy who got pulled over going five miles an hour over the speed limit, and the officer's threatening to pepper spray him because he's filming.

    30. JS

      Oh, yeah.

  8. 31:22 – 37:53

    Corruption, agent provocateurs, and who benefits from chaos

    1. JR

      Did you ever see the documentary, The Seven Five?

    2. JS

      I didn't.

    3. JR

      You should see it. It's fucking crazy.

    4. JS

      What is it, The Seven Five?

    5. JR

      The Seven Five. It is all about, uh, this guy. It's this guy, Mike Dowd, who's out now, who, uh, became a corrupt police officer. Just joined the force because he wanted to be a cop. And then right away, was introduced to the fact that this whole fucking thing is bad. It's all corrupt. They're all bad cops. They're all doing fucked up shit. I'm pretty sure they pushed a guy out of a window, like one of the first days that he got there. Someone got killed. And they would just say, "This is how it works." And then cut to many years later, he's robbing drug dealers and selling drugs, and they're organizing hits on people. Like, it's a crazy fucking movie. And it's from his words and his former partner's words, and it just details how everything went completely sideways. And it just shows you, like imagine if you were one of those guys and that's your job. You're a fucking cop, and you're in this precinct with all these other corrupt cops and you're like, "Well, this is what we do. So this is what we do. We're just corrupt."

    6. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      Fuck.

    8. JS

      It's like the mob mentality with the protests, right? You get a good protest or the people protesting a real thing, people that are having a peaceful march doing that stuff, and then you compound... They have been locked in their house for two months. Everybody's broke. They're losing their businesses.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. JS

      Shit's getting fucking weird. They're just going crazy. And, but they're, they're there in the protest. Now you have some asshole come up with a hammer and break a bunch of windows and start creating the drama. It, it causes a mob mentality, right?

    11. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    12. JS

      It's like people are smart, but mop- mobs are stupid, right?

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. JS

      Where a person is smart, people are stupid. That same thing happened to the cops, right? You're on a team. One guy starts doing shit like, "Pff, bro, just shoot him in the face with a beanbag. No one will see it." "Ah, he fucking got one. Hell yeah. Right on. Pass me the gun." Boom. And they're all doing the same shit.

    15. JR

      There's definitely a lot of that.

    16. JS

      And then they're protecting themselves.

    17. JR

      Yeah. There's definitely a lot of that. It's, uh, there's also, there was some crazy shit where it was pretty much proven that some cops were the ones who were breaking windows in Minneapolis.

    18. JS

      Oh yeah.

    19. JR

      Did you see that?

    20. JS

      There was one in New York where they were sawing, uh, sawing the like, the rollup door open on a, uh, a jewelry store.

    21. JR

      A cop was doing it?

    22. JS

      Yeah, they had... There's video. I'll find the video for you.

    23. JR

      Oh.

    24. JS

      There was cops-

    25. JR

      The police were in that video.

    26. JS

      ... with like, with like a... With like a... fucking, what do they call it? Like a miter saw or whatever, cutting the rollup door on the jewelry shop.

    27. NA

      Uh, I think I saw that one. Uh, it was, if I remember. I might be incorrect. Uh, there was people... They got a call and there was people trapped in there, and they like had to get them out.

    28. JS

      Huh.

    29. NA

      Somebody had been robbing it or something like that.

    30. JS

      Right.

  9. 37:53 – 42:48

    COVID, media mistrust, and whether society overreacted

    1. JR

      Goddamn, man. It's just, this, this whole COVID and then the George Floyd protests and then the riots and the looting and everything like that really highlights how fragile our, our civilization is. Really.

    2. JS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      Really shows everybody.

    4. JS

      Yeah. And how easily we are controlled through the media.

    5. JR

      Yep.

    6. JS

      Easily, we're controlled. I, I try not to watch it anymore because, like, it's y- you're just getting brainwashed and once you realize you're just being brainwashed, like they just control how you feel about everything, they control... You hate this guy, change the other channel. Now, fuck, that guy's a good guy. This guy's... Fuck this guy. And it's just-

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. JS

      ... all misinformation.

    9. JR

      Yep.

    10. JS

      The WHO and Fauci one day, the-

    11. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    12. JS

      ... "Don't do masks. You don't need masks." The next day, "Oh, you need masks. Como needs 50,000, uh-"

    13. JR

      Ventilators?

    14. JS

      "Respir- Ventera- ventilators and put them all in the nursing homes and all the nurse people die."

    15. JR

      Yeah, he-

    16. JS

      But let's not talk about that.

    17. JR

      Yeah, that's the Cuomo nursing home thing is a giant scandal, man.

    18. JS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      He let those people go back to the nursing homes and they infected and killed thousands of people because of that and-

    20. JS

      And so his numbers go straight up, you know? And then, like, why are we incentivizing... If we're even going to the CO- I mean, why are we incentivizing hospitals to say that there were COVID deaths? What is the purpose of that? It makes no sense.

    21. JR

      I think the idea was because this was a new disease and they required more fu- uh, like, uh, financially it's more difficult to treat those people, that they allocated more money towards people that had COVID.

    22. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    23. JR

      But when you do that, you do incentivize people to mark deaths as COVID.

    24. JS

      Yeah, there's people who get shot and they were like, "Well, he had COVID when he died."

    25. JR

      (laughs)

    26. JS

      But did, did they test him for COVID? Well, it doesn't matter, I just wrote it on there.

    27. JR

      But there are also-

    28. JS

      And then the numbers come out, you know?

    29. JR

      Apparently, there have also been a bunch of people that died and weren't COVID tested that they do believe died because of complications for COVID too. So the idea is that it could even possibly balance it out. They don't know. But there are a l- a lot of people that have, like... There, here's a deceptive one that I've read. It was really fucked up. They were talking about this kid who was, uh, I think he was 17 who died from COVID, and they said, uh, he, he was, uh, uh, they said he was healthy. No under- no other, uh, health issues, they said. But then when you read the article deeper, it turns out he had diabetes. He had type I diabetes and he was 400 pounds. And it's like, wait a minute. The- that's not no issues. These articles are full of shit and they write those articles just so-

    30. JS

      Yeah.

  10. 42:48 – 52:49

    Aliens, stand-up comedy shutdowns, and Rogan’s COVID-era frustrations

    1. JR

      What happened to murder hornets? They came and went real quick.

    2. JS

      S-

    3. JR

      I was really worried about them.

    4. JS

      Aliens, bro.

    5. JR

      They're like, "Fuck."

    6. JS

      I'll put it out there. Aliens will come.

    7. JR

      The aliens?

    8. JS

      Aliens are coming before, before the election.

    9. JR

      The alien thing is interesting because there's quite a few, like, real, legitimate studies an- including black ops studies that are going on right now on aliens. Particularity after the David Fravor, uh, incident, which was a Air Force incident that was off the coast of, uh, San Diego, that was all documented in terms of the speed of the aircraft, the fact that they were tracking it, the fact that it blocked their, um, their tracking systems so it, it was an active object blocking their tractive, tracking systems. And it also went from something like right above the surface of the water to 60,000 feet in a matter of a second. Like, whatever the fuck that thing is, it violates all laws of propulsion. And all those, uh, Air Force guys were saying, "Yeah, we've been following these things. They've been down here for the last few weeks. Like, every now and then we'll see one and they'll hover above the water and dunk down into the water." They don't know what the fuck they were. And, you know, this David Fravor guy who's like a rock solid, buttoned down military man, he is not a bullshit artist, he's not a guy who needs a lot of attention, he came on the podcast and relayed his experiences with this thing. And there's not just one of 'em and they behave very similarly. They, they've, they had 'em on the East Coast. I'm doing, I'm doing a terrible job of giving all the facts about how they operate and how they, how they move, but they defy all the n- known laws of propulsion. They have no idea what they are, they have no idea where they're coming from, they don't know what they're doing. But these things behave in some really almost supernatural way in terms of, like, what we know about physics.

    10. JS

      And this is, like, unclassified now or this is recent, like happening-

    11. JR

      Well the government's come out and said, I mean, they, they've, they've openly said there's a real issue. "Trump says he's heard 'very interesting things about Roswell', site of an alleged UFO event. President was asked by-" Yeah, that was nonsense though. Did you see that interview? First of all, the, the whole interview was weird. Like Donald Trump Jr is interviewing Donald Trump and he's, he's not even doing it like he's his dad, you know? Like if I was sitting there with my dad I'd be like, "All right dude, tell me what's up. What's going on with the aliens, Pops?"

    12. JS

      Yeah. Seriously, "So what's going on with the aliens?"

    13. JR

      "What have you got back there, dude?" And also I woulda asked that question four fucking years ago, day one. I'd be like, "Come on, dude."

    14. JS

      As soon as, as soon as you walked in.

    15. JR

      "Aliens." Yeah.

    16. JS

      "Let's talk aliens."

    17. JR

      I would run for president just to find out. Just to win and fight.

    18. JS

      I think you should run for president, Joe.

    19. JR

      Fuck that, dude. Fuck.

    20. JS

      You should absolutely run for president.

    21. JR

      Listen, listen, listen. I could cancel for all Joey Diaz conversations. (laughs)

    22. JS

      You could, you could do, like, the, uh, presidential addresses and just do a stand-up bit the whole time, every time.

    23. JR

      That would, it would have to be that. It would have to be like some seriousness and some, uh, like, some ... But, you know, life is so preposterous. And it's more preposterous now than it's ever been before.

    24. JS

      It's nuts.

    25. JR

      And th- and meanwhile-

    26. JS

      It's just nuts.

    27. JR

      ... there's no stand-up. The only person doing stand-up right now is Ben ... There's a few guys that just started doing shows. I'm actually in Houston this weekend for the first time in three months. I haven't done any stand-up. Chappelle's doing regular shows in Ohio.

    28. JS

      Really?

    29. JR

      He's got a outside wedding, like, uh, pavilion and he's got it set up where everybody's socially distanced. They all wear masks in the crowd, they have Chappelle masks. So they'll have, like, the C on their mask, there in the crowd.

    30. JS

      That's cool.

  11. 52:49 – 58:25

    Supplements, recovery hacks, and getting older (CBD, glutathione, NAD, breathing)

    1. JS

      Budweiser.

    2. JR

      Oh, it's Budweiser.

    3. JS

      It's cold, delicious-

    4. JR

      Ooh, yes.

    5. JS

      ... but heavy for you, my friend.

    6. JR

      What a good man. He brings his own beer. You fucking stud.

    7. JS

      I come with all kinds of gifts.

    8. JR

      Um-

    9. JS

      Oh, I brought you some Ignite stuff too.

    10. JR

      Oh, nice.

    11. JS

      Dan Senses-

    12. JR

      Shout out to Dan Bilzerian.

    13. JS

      Hey, hey.

    14. JR

      I'm told he's writing a book.

    15. JS

      He, he, I think he did write his book.

    16. JR

      Look at that. There you go.

    17. JS

      Is that-

    18. JR

      This is dog stuff, right?

    19. JS

      Yeah, that one's for, uh, Marshall.

    20. JR

      Oh, yay! He'll love it.

    21. JS

      My dog's been using it too. It's, uh, really good stuff.

    22. JR

      Okay, cool.

    23. JS

      You know Dan, everything's the best.

    24. JR

      Yeah. No, I'm sure. He's, uh, it's funny how he's jumped balls deep into weed and CBD.

    25. JS

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      Oh, right. Look at that, dog CBD. It even says it on there. I fucked up with CBDMT and I took some of their dog CBD. It was delicious peanut butter flavor.

    27. JS

      (laughs)

    28. JR

      I think it's fine though. I feel like-

    29. JS

      I'm sure. Why not? What's the difference?

    30. JR

      I mean, it's just CBD.

  12. 58:25 – 1:16:40

    From policing back to fighting: weight cutting, GOAT debates, and iconic fighters

    1. JR

      Do you take any, uh, electrolytes? Like when you're training?

    2. JS

      Not really.

    3. JR

      Dude, I just started over the last year.

    4. JS

      Take a little water-

    5. JR

      I started taking one of my sponsors, they sent me this, uh, liquid IV stuff. Electrolytes make a big fucking difference.

    6. JS

      Oh, really?

    7. JR

      Yeah, it makes a big difference in how quickly you hydrate, it makes a big difference in stopping cramps. Stops all the cramps.

    8. JS

      Well, I heard that being dehydrate- any level of dehydration, like, reduces athletic output by, like, 20% or something.

    9. JR

      Which is one of the things-

    10. JS

      A lot.

    11. JR

      ... I've been fucking sounding the alarm on forever.

    12. JS

      Forever.

    13. JR

      We gotta stop weight cutting.

    14. JS

      Right.

    15. JR

      Guys.

    16. JS

      Right.

    17. JR

      I want, I want people to fight healthy and I want them to fight for as long as they can. Look, DC had kidney failure before, and that's why he didn't get into the Olympics at one point.

    18. JS

      (laughs)

    19. JR

      Kidney failure.

    20. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    21. JR

      Daniel Cormier.

    22. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    23. JR

      You know, he's had real problems from cutting weight, man. It's fucking terrible for you. That's why he fights so good at heavyweight.

    24. JS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      You know, when he's at heavyweight, he doesn't have to deal with any of that bullshit. He can just eat and train and just recover. When you're dehydrating yourself to that extent, the extent that some guy... Like Paulo Costa-

    26. JS

      Mm-hmm.

    27. JR

      ... that motherfucker. Chael Sonnen had a video he had on YouTube. I, I urge you to go to Chael Sen- Sonnen's YouTube and listen to him talk about it. He was watching Paulo Costa, he said Paulo Costa is 230 plus pounds. He cuts down to 185 for a fight. That's insane. That's insane.

    28. JS

      How low does he get before it's just water?

    29. JR

      I don't know, man. You gotta see the video of him now.

    30. JS

      He looks-

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