Joe Rogan Experience #1503 - Josh Barnett

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   ... two, one. Demons.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      ... two, one. Demons.

   2. JBJosh Barnett0:02

      Demons.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:03

      Demons, be gone.

   4. JBJosh Barnett0:04

      Demons. Uh, I'll, I'll take 'em. I'll just, you know, if- if-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Just absorb them into your soul.

   6. JBJosh Barnett0:07

      Sure, enough, you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:08

      And, and kill them with your own darkness.

   8. JBJosh Barnett0:10

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:11

      (laughs)

   10. JBJosh Barnett0:11

       That's probably possible, you know? Uh-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:13

       Just the beard alone might scare 'em off.

   12. JBJosh Barnett0:14

       It could be. I've g- I've definitely always got the soundtrack for it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:17

       How long you been growing that fucker?

   14. JBJosh Barnett0:19

       Uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       That's, that's a real one.

   16. JBJosh Barnett0:20

       This thing-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       That's a man's beard.

   18. JBJosh Barnett0:20

       ... actually has taken quite a long time. I am not of the sort who, who is prone to growing facial hair and ch- Like, it took me until probably 36 before I had a single chest hair.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       What?

   20. JBJosh Barnett0:33

       Oh, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Really?

   22. JBJosh Barnett0:34

       Yeah. I blame the, uh, the Native American side of my family.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Wow, that's crazy.

   24. JBJosh Barnett0:37

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm, I've got back hair now, like, full back hair. Something over the last, like, from the time I was, like, probably, like, 35, I started growing, like, serious back hair. Now, I'm 52 and, uh, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm not like... Who's that Russian wrestler dude? There's this one-

   26. JBJosh Barnett0:54

       Oh. Uh, well, there was this guy, uh, uh, Viktor Zangiev, who, who actually did professional wrestling, and that guy was just coated in it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Oh, yeah. Right.

   28. JBJosh Barnett1:02

       And there was another guy, Salman Hashimov also. (laughs) He, he, he's just a fur coat.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       Who was the... There was one wrestler who had... He'd done a bunch of films and stuff.

   30. JBJosh Barnett1:12

       Hmm.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      And I mean, if you think about just the level of awareness of elite fighters now, because of YouTube and because of all these different streaming services, I mean, you can watch. You could be anywhere in the world and watch top-flight talent.

   2. JBJosh Barnett15:13

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      It's not a surprise anymore.

   4. JBJosh Barnett15:15

      There's even amazing, uh, guys out there like Jack Slack and Lawrence Kenchin that do breakdowns-

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      Mm-hmm. Yes.

   6. JBJosh Barnett15:20

      ... on specific fights, fighters, and specific techniques.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:24

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JBJosh Barnett15:25

      Where if... A- and I send Jack Slack and Lawrence Kenchin stuff to my team all the time in group chats, like, "Watch this."

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      Yes.

   10. JBJosh Barnett15:30

       "Watch this."

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       Yes.

   12. JBJosh Barnett15:31

       "Watch this."

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       Yes.

   14. JBJosh Barnett15:32

       You know, if any of them pick up, like, a, a teep like Samart, then I'm like, "F- "

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JBJosh Barnett15:37

       ... job done." You know?

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       Yeah.

   18. JBJosh Barnett15:38

       And I didn't have to do anything about it, which is even better.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       I love it. Those clips are so great too because they'll highlight a specific technique, they'll show the, the KO or the finish-

   20. JBJosh Barnett15:47

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:47

       ... and then they'll break down all the different moving parts. Like, both those guys are fantastic. Robben Black's great at it as well.

   22. JBJosh Barnett15:54

       Robben Glap- bink.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:55

       Yeah.

   24. JBJosh Barnett15:56

       Yeah. Yeah, Robben Black is-

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       Robben is-

   26. JBJosh Barnett15:57

       ... fantastic.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       ... very entertaining too. He's a really entertaining person, you know, so... And his enthusiasm for martial arts really comes through in his-

   28. JBJosh Barnett16:04

       I do love his sincerity.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       Yeah. He's a great person.

   30. JBJosh Barnett16:05

       And, you know, and that's just a thing that is missing, you know.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JBJosh Barnett30:00

      It is the Chuck, uh ... I can't say his last name. Uh, Palan- Palaniuk, Pal-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      Yeah.

   3. JBJosh Barnett30:04

      Fight Club.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Palaniuk.

   5. JBJosh Barnett30:06

      Palaniuk.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      He's been on the podcast before too.

   7. JBJosh Barnett30:07

      No, he's awesome. I listen to him.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      He's awesome.

   9. JBJosh Barnett30:09

      Uh, he's a, he's a rad dude.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:10

       How do you say his name?... Palahniuk?

   11. JBJosh Barnett30:12

       P- Palahniuk?

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:13

       Palahniuk.

   13. JBJosh Barnett30:13

       Okay. Uh, and he, you know, the-

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:15

       Fascinating guy.

   15. JBJosh Barnett30:15

       ... that- that line about, uh, "You never know who you are until you've been in a fight." Like, psh, yeah. It's true.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:20

       True.

   17. JBJosh Barnett30:20

       Hold on, you really want to know who you are? Get into a fight.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       Yeah.

   19. JBJosh Barnett30:23

       Uh, but, uh, but watching that, and then, you know, so this side of me is going, "Well, s- see?" Like, per- perhaps, you know, a little bit of fisticuffs could- could make things a little better, you know, especially if- if we were to talk about the-

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       Law of-

   21. JBJosh Barnett30:33

       ... law of mutual combat that exists in Washington.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       Right, which is very weird.

   23. JBJosh Barnett30:36

       Which I think should be national, to be perfectly honest.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       The only th- problem I have with that is that, like, they let people fight out on the street, which y- you should be aware that if you get KO'd you're gonna- might- you might die.

   25. JBJosh Barnett30:48

       I know. I think it'd be-

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       Like, your head's gonna bounce off the concrete.

   27. JBJosh Barnett30:50

       ... I- that has to be included in- in such a law.

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       Yeah, if you're drunk-

   29. JBJosh Barnett30:52

       You have to be like, "Look, you're taking-

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm. Too raw. He…

   1. JBJosh Barnett45:00

      tears. Like, I, uh... I was able to watch it once, kind of from a far, so to speak, but I- I couldn't watch it again. Like, it... I'm like, "N- n- no."

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      Mm. Too raw. He needs to go home.

   3. JBJosh Barnett45:11

      No, that's, that's 100%. Like, I, I'm like, "Oh, I know this way too fucking much."

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      (laughs)

   5. JBJosh Barnett45:16

      "Y- you're, you're tugging on strings that I don't, I don't really want to play with right now, that I already know of." And it's just... Yeah. Uh, I don't, I don't expect that other people are always going to know what that's like, and that's okay. Uh, when people say that they don't understand my affinity to violence, I'm like, "Okay, yeah, sure. That makes total sense to me. That's, uh... You're, you're capable of it, by the way. All of us are." Like, they're... But, uh, not everybody's built the same to do the same things. Just as much as my way of abstract thinking, if I sit down with Eric Weinstein, I f- he leave- leaves me behind if he takes certain subjects. I'm like, "Okay, yeah, I'm just gonna be along for the ride." Because th- I can't... My brain can't operate on the same level in this fashion that you can.

   6. JRJoe Rogan46:03

      But you haven't spent time in that realm.

   7. JBJosh Barnett46:05

      Well, yeah, and, and, and may- may- maybe I could become, uh, competent enough in physics with him.

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:16

      You would have to start all over.

   9. JBJosh Barnett46:16

      But, uh-

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:16

       You would have to start your life over.

   11. JBJosh Barnett46:17

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       He... Weinstein talks to me about that stuff, and I'm like, "Okay. I don't, I don't know where you're going with this. I don't even know what you're saying."

   13. JBJosh Barnett46:24

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:24

       "I'm just gonna nod."

   15. JBJosh Barnett46:24

       But, uh, so, uh, it was Eric I was talking to, because he's always interested from my take on, on violence and how violence relates to humanity and how it relates to being. And I listened to his pod... He, he... His podcast with Jocko and, the... I would say, uh, I mean, it was really great. And I've never met Jocko, but I... He sounds like a really awesome dude and-

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:45

       He's the best. I'll connect you guys.

   17. JBJosh Barnett46:46

       Uh, would love to. Um, but I, but I said to Eric, I go, "One of the things that I, I saw that was kind of different here in the way that both me and Jocko seemed to a- approach this is that he's so very clinical about it, very regimented." And I understand that because if he's in a military presence, like, you, you can't just have a guy who's, you know, soaking himself in the enemy's blood and running around the battlefield screaming at the top of his lungs. That, that, that doesn't help anyone, right?

   18. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       Right.

   19. JBJosh Barnett47:11

       Like, reveling in something like this isn't really a necessity in anything, right? That is... It's besides the point. And if that's-

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:20

       Especially in 2020.

   21. JBJosh Barnett47:21

       If anything... Yeah, especially in 2020 when they went after, uh, Ghurkha soldiers, uh, Nepalese soldiers who were sent on a, a, a kill mission and to, to grab some sort of, uh, extremist. And they, like, "Well, we need... We're gonna have... W- we want proof too." So what do they do? They pull out their kukri and take the dude's head off and bring it back. And then they went and put that guy on trial for doing his job, because we thought, "Oh, that's too much."

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:46

       Too much proof.

   23. JBJosh Barnett47:48

       It's, it's, it's death and war and violence. What is too much? You know what I mean?

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:54

       Right.

   25. JBJosh Barnett47:54

       I mean, what... What if his head had gotten cut off and, you know, stuck on a pike somewhere to be like, "Don't fuck with us." I mean-

   26. JRJoe Rogan48:01

       The issue is, the problem is how it appears to people that don't live in that world, right?

   27. JBJosh Barnett48:05

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan48:05

       That's the problem. Like, if you... If, if a soldier kills someone and then they say, "We need proof that you killed that person," they bring back a head and you go, "Hey, you fucked up now."

   29. JBJosh Barnett48:15

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:16

       "You brought back his head." Like, "Well, what do you want me to do? Bring back a picture of him dead?"
5. 1:00:00 – 1:10:28

   Didn't Karl have some…

   1. JBJosh Barnett1:00:00

      but I, I think the mace is a, uh, fantastic tool for building great strength. And it's all, it's wrestling related. It's warrior related.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      Didn't Karl have some crazy requirements that you had-

   3. JBJosh Barnett1:00:10

      Yes.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

      ... to achieve physically before you were able to train with him?

   5. JBJosh Barnett1:00:13

      Yes. And part of that was also to just keep idiots away.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      Yeah, I bet. (laughs)

   7. JBJosh Barnett1:00:16

      Just to keep the, the dummies away. 'Cause Karl was such a irascible dude. But I... Meeting Karl and getting to train a little bit under Karl made me feel like I, I met someone who, you know, may have been related to me in some way. Like, I felt like this guy was somehow part of my family, but I didn't know it-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

      Wow.

   9. JBJosh Barnett1:00:34

      ... for so long. And yet I come from part of that, that lineage, especially. Uh, and we're sitting there and these Japanese reporters have set this whole thing up.... and they're like, "Here. We're gonna have Karl watch you fighting Minotauro." I went, "All right." "And get his opinions." I'm just like, "Oh, God. All right." (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       (laughs)

   11. JBJosh Barnett1:00:53

       So, so Karl's watching this thing and he's just... I can see he's just, he's making comments. He's tearing into it and he's being highly critical. He'd say something, he'd look at me. He'd smile a little bit and he'd say something, and then when we're all said and done and the Japanese reporters are just like (gasps) , you know, they're just losing their shit. They're just like, "Oh, God. What? (laughs) This is not what we expected to happen." They're just like, "Whoa, what's gonna... H- how is this gonna fall apart?" Like, this Karl just t- tore this, (laughs) this guy a, a whole new one over this.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

       Right.

   13. JBJosh Barnett1:01:22

       And Karl looks at me and he goes, "What'd I say? Does that piss you off?" I looked at him, I went, "I don't care. All I want... All, all that's important to me is to try and understand what it is from how you see it, and see what I can do to take that and be better. And, and, and to take your criticism and your eyes and your experience and the way you see it so that I can use it to make myself a better fighter." And he looked at me and he just went, "Huh." And then he just started showing me stuff. And he would call me and give me workouts and see how I'm doing. And I... Honestly, not being able to spend more time with Karl and, and e- even to an extension, you know, Billy Robinson, even though I got to train under him for years and years and years in Japan, I, I... There, there was never enough time.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:06

       And Billy Robinson was the guy who worked with Sakuraba, right?

   15. JBJosh Barnett1:02:09

       Billy Robinson worked with Sakuraba and all the, uh, UWFi fighters. And Karl is... He started with New Japan Pro-Wrestling and Tony Inoki brought him in there to be their head trainer. And he's the one that prepped Inoki for, for Ali.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:24

       Wow.

   17. JBJosh Barnett1:02:24

       You can see some of Ali's camp getting real, uh, rambunctious and Karl just laughing, smiling. Even though he knows that Al... That, uh, Inoki's been just handicapped. Like, oh, you can't throw him. You can't put submissions on him.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:37

       Right.

   19. JBJosh Barnett1:02:37

       You can't do this, you can't do that. So...

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:40

       But it's crazy that they allowed leg kicks.

   21. JBJosh Barnett1:02:42

       They didn't think about it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:43

       That's so funny.

   23. JBJosh Barnett1:02:44

       They had no idea. I want-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:45

       And the way he did it too, from his back and from his side.

   25. JBJosh Barnett1:02:47

       Great story. I'm with Victor Webster and we're hanging out. And he's friends with Kenisha Norton, who is an absolute sweetheart, and so... Ken Norton's daughter. So we're hanging out at this coffee shop and Kenisha comes by with her friend. And so me and Victor are there, and we're talking. I'm wearing this T-shirt and it's, uh, it's got Inoki on it. Or it's... Yeah, it's got Inoki on the shirt. And, uh, one of the... The friend that comes with Kenisha goes, "That's an interesting shirt." I'm like, "Yeah." I go, "Yeah, uh, that guy put my dad in the hospital." It was one of Ali's daughters.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:03:22

       Whoa.

   27. JBJosh Barnett1:03:23

       From those leg kicks. And I'm all, (gasps) "What serendipity."

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:03:28

       Whoa, which daughter?

   29. JBJosh Barnett1:03:29

       I, I don't remember. I don't... I only met her the one time.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:31

       Wow.

Episode duration: 3:02:06