Joe Rogan Experience #1515 - Dr. Bradley Garrett

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   And boom, (claps) because…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      And boom, (claps) because we're live. What's up, man? How are you?

   2. BGDr. Bradley Garrett0:04

      Nice.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      Cheers. Salud.

   4. BGDr. Bradley Garrett0:05

      Ha- hey, cheers, brother.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Nice to meet you.

   6. BGDr. Bradley Garrett0:07

      Good to meet you, too.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:07

      By the way, congrats on the mustache. The mustache-

   8. BGDr. Bradley Garrett0:10

      (laughs) .

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:10

      ... lower piece combo, that's, uh, the anarchist guy, with, that guy that, uh, who's the mask?

   10. NANarrator0:15

       Guy Fawkes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:16

       Guy Fawkes, that's right.

   12. BGDr. Bradley Garrett0:17

       Yeah, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:17

       Perfect, right?

   14. BGDr. Bradley Garrett0:17

       Yeah. Yeah, I was kind, I was going more for a kind of a, a Doc Holliday. Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Oh.

   16. BGDr. Bradley Garrett0:22

       I'm, I'm your Huckleberry.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       How good was he in that role?

   18. BGDr. Bradley Garrett0:25

       He was fantastic.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Come on, man. Mm. Many people have played Doc Holliday, but he's the best. So, uh, are you a prepper yourself? 'Cause you do have one of them GPS watches on, so either you're like-

   20. BGDr. Bradley Garrett0:38

       (laughs) .

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       ... a hardcore hiker or you just don't wanna get lost.

   22. BGDr. Bradley Garrett0:40

       So, you, you were waiting to see the paracord bracelet, right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       (laughs) Ah, but they always have that, right?

   24. BGDr. Bradley Garrett0:44

       I know, right?

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Does that ever come up?

   26. BGDr. Bradley Garrett0:46

       That, uh, when do you ever unravel that thing, you know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       (laughs)

   28. BGDr. Bradley Garrett0:49

       It's, it's... (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Yeah, that always seems to me like someone who, like, preps at, you know, they, you just try a little too hard if you've got a paracord bracelet.

   30. BGDr. Bradley Garrett0:55

       Yeah. No, it's a kind of virtue signaling.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Well, that, that's the…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      I'm prepared in some ways, and then when all this came down, basically all I did is I stockpiled on a lot of dried stuff like rice, pasta, things that, you know, you can cook easily. And then-

   2. BGDr. Bradley Garrett15:12

      Well, that, that's the thing is people get fixated on prepping as this kind of, you know, "I built a multimillion dollar bunker," or whatever.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:18

      Mm-hmm.

   4. BGDr. Bradley Garrett15:18

      Whatever spectacular stories that people hear, which, you know, I'm happy to, happy to verify if you (laughs) wanna go, get into those. But, um, you know, mo- like prepping on a, on a practical level, like everyday prepping is just, it's just common sense. You know?

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:31

      Yeah.

   6. BGDr. Bradley Garrett15:32

      Just having, you know-

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:33

      Having enough food to last a few days.

   8. BGDr. Bradley Garrett15:34

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:35

      Yeah.

   10. BGDr. Bradley Garrett15:35

       And thinking through, you know, what, what might happen, you know?

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       Right.

   12. BGDr. Bradley Garrett15:38

       In a, in a blackout or the, you know, the tap's not working or whatever.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       Yeah.

   14. BGDr. Bradley Garrett15:40

       These things do happen.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       Yeah. They do happen. And, but it w- I wanted to get into the psychology of prepping, prepping, because it seems to be conflated with, uh, conspiracy theorists-

   16. BGDr. Bradley Garrett15:52

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       ... in some way. Like, uh, preppers or, uh, it's the tinfoil hat brigade. It's like tho- those, those type of folks, folks who think 5G is causing COVID. You know what I mean?

   18. BGDr. Bradley Garrett16:03

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       Like it, there's, for whatever reason, prepping, which should be just, uh, prudence, you know, common sense, preparing, you know, having something that can purify your water if everything goes weird.

   20. BGDr. Bradley Garrett16:15

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       You know? I mean-

   22. BGDr. Bradley Garrett16:15

       Going, going camping every once in a while just to get a sense of what it's like to be outdoors.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:19

       Yeah.

   24. BGDr. Bradley Garrett16:19

       You know, and pop your tent and pull your water out of a river and, you know, it's great to have those practical skills.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       Yeah. It's f- Camping is fun as long as you know it's not permanent. Isn't that weird? (laughs)

   26. BGDr. Bradley Garrett16:29

       Well, so, I mean, and this is the thing about disaster, right, is that if, uh, if it has an endpoint, it's something that we can cope with, right? It, you know-

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       Yeah.

   28. BGDr. Bradley Garrett16:38

       So, so take nuclear war, for example, right? Like let's say, let's say we get a, a text message on our phone. Remember in Hawaii in 2018, everyone got that message-

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:48

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   30. BGDr. Bradley Garrett16:48

       ... that the ballistic missile was incoming, right?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   No. …

   1. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:00

      maps that are made out of sticks?

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      No.

   3. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:02

      Dude, they have... They're, so they're these, uh, they're 3D maps that are made from, like, sticks put together, and they can tell wind and air currents, and they can read the stars with them. That's how they navigated with these.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      Really?

   5. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:11

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:12

      Whoa.

   7. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:13

      Yeah, they're fantastic.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      Where did you see one?

   9. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:15

      Uh, I don't know. Well, actually, my, my, uh... I did my master's degree in maritime archeology, so I probably picked that up during that degree at some point.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:22

       So you, you did, uh, some of your studies was, were in Sydney, right?

   11. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:27

       Yeah, I sta-... I started... I actually started here, um, at the University of California. I did anthropology and history. I went to Australia to do a degree in maritime archeology, and then I went to London to do a PhD in cultural geography.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       Oh, wow.

   13. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:40

       So I've ha- I've hopped four disciplines. Uh-

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       Did you get anything, Jamie?Let me see what this looks like.

   15. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:45

       This way. Yeah, this way.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       Holy-

   17. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:46

       Yeah, look at those things.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       ... shit.

   19. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:47

       They're sweet, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       Wow.

   21. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:50

       I-

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:50

       What is that even?

   23. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:51

       Obviously, I have absolutely no idea how to-

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       Oh, my God.

   25. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:53

       ... how to read those things.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       That's so weird.

   27. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:56

       See, the thing-

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       So how do they tie them together, with twine, or like, what is ...

   29. BGDr. Bradley Garrett30:59

       Yeah, I think it's twine.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       And what are those images supposed to represent? What is that?
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   It is amazing. And,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      to what we take today with satellite imagery, that really is amazing.

   2. BGDr. Bradley Garrett45:05

      It is amazing. And, you know, we spend a lot of time talking about how, how advanced we are now, right? How ... like-

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      Mm-hmm.

   4. BGDr. Bradley Garrett45:10

      ... what, what we've done with technology, but we don't talk a lot about all these skills that we've lost.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      Sure.

   6. BGDr. Bradley Garrett45:15

      You know? Um, so that's why I like going out into the landscape. I, I love going out for a couple of days just hik- ... you know, hiking through the woods with a compass, you know, figuring it out. Leave- turn the phone off, leave it at home, you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:25

      I mean, give someone a sextant and tell them, "Figure your way across the ocean."

   8. BGDr. Bradley Garrett45:29

      Right. Yeah, "Good luck."

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:30

      Right?

   10. BGDr. Bradley Garrett45:30

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       I mean, the- just looking at one of those things. Or how about that, um, ancient Greek computer thing? What is that called?

   12. BGDr. Bradley Garrett45:38

       Oh, the a- the anti- abacus?

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       The anti- ... No, no, no.

   14. BGDr. Bradley Garrett45:40

       No.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       That's a counting thing. The, the, the ... That, that ... There's a device that they found that consists of, uh, a myriad of moving gears that took forever for them to try to understand exa- ... It's called the anti-th- ... Ugh, I'm gonna fuck up the word. You know what I'm talking about, Jamie? Yeah, I know what it is. Yeah. Jamie knows what I'm talking about. I know what it is. Th- there's this, this thing that they found that's intensely complex, and it's thousands of years old. And they found it in a shipwreck, and, um, they had to, to try to back engineer what this fucking thing is and how it worked, but- It's a astrolabe, I think, right?

   16. BGDr. Bradley Garrett46:19

       Astrolabe.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       Um, I don't think ... There's an actual- Two-dimensional model of the celestial sphere. That's, that's really cool. That's cool. That is a different thing, though. I- I- it is really cool. Pretty amazing. Um, the original smartphone. That's funny. But, no. (laughs) There's ... It's, uh ... It's a- an ancient Greek ... Essentially, it's an ancient computer. Just pull up ancient computer, anti-th- That's what I ... I mean, I typed in "ancient Greek ocean exploration tool," and- No, no, no, but it's not that. Okay. It's not an ocean explanati- exploration tool. Oh, okay. It's actually like a computer. It's an ... Goddamn it. I w- wish I wrote it down. It's, um ... The word is anti- ... That's it. That's it. Oh, the Antikythera thing. Yeah. Chysera. Antikythera. That's it. So, click on that thing. They found that, and they're like, "Okay, what in the fuck is this?" And this anti- ... Go ... So I can read it? An- Antikythera mechanism, a 2,000-year-old computer, and they found this. And, uh, they had to try to figure out what this is. And see how they've kind of 3D mapped it and, and reimagined-

   18. BGDr. Bradley Garrett47:29

       Whoa, that's a trip.

   19. JRJoe Rogan47:30

       Yeah. I mean, the ... I don't even know what they used it for. Let's, let's g- ... Let's click on that. What is the anti- ... That, th- ... The article to the right on Daily Express. What's of ... Uh, oh, there. Yeah. Let's see what it says. Uh, "Google Doodle marks the discovery of the ancient Greek computer." So, this is- "Track and calculate position of the Moon, Sun." Yeah.

   20. BGDr. Bradley Garrett47:54

       Okay.

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:54

       "Position of the Moon and Sun and planets, as well as predict the dates and colors of" (laughs) "colors of" ... So, it is a celestial device. So, so are the pl- ... Yeah, in some way, but all- ... It's a computer, right? So, this thing, this 2,000-year-old device, was even capable of adding, multiplying, dividing, and subtracting. So, they found it in, uh, May 17th, 1902 in, uh ... It was discovered, uh, in a Roman cargo shipwreck. For years, they were baffled by the purpose of the mysterious object and initially assumed the mechanism was a gear or wheel, but the archeologists soon discovered that the device was a complex machine capable of various fac- factions. The Antikythera mechanism gathered interest in 1950s, and its complexity, function, and computational powers has led it to be dubbed the first ever computer.Fucking crazy.

   22. BGDr. Bradley Garrett48:45

       Don't- don't you wonder how much stuff we have lost?

   23. JRJoe Rogan48:47

       Oh, yeah.

   24. BGDr. Bradley Garrett48:48

       You know, or how much stuff is still in the ground?

   25. JRJoe Rogan48:50

       Oh, yeah.

   26. BGDr. Bradley Garrett48:50

       I mean, that kind of haunts me. I co- you know-

   27. JRJoe Rogan48:52

       Yeah.

   28. BGDr. Bradley Garrett48:52

       ... you could go crazy thinking about when the (laughs) when humanity's gonna start-

   29. JRJoe Rogan48:55

       Yeah.

   30. BGDr. Bradley Garrett48:55

       ... digging up everything and try and unveil these ancient mysteries.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:10:39

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      back in the 1980s. I mean, I... You remember that?

   2. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:00:03

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      Do you remember the Jim Baker? Like, he had had an affair with this woman, and it became, for whatever reason, this big news.

   4. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:00:11

      Well, like, the s-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

      And that's the same guy. He's around today.

   6. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:00:13

      Because, because then, we, we still expected people to be guided by their (laughs) moral compass, you know? Never-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

      Right.

   8. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:00:18

      Everyone's a hypocrite now, so we, we just-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

      Right. Do you remember... and then there was Jimmy Swagger, got caught with a hooker, and he was crying, "I have sinned."

   10. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:00:25

       Oh, yeah. Yeah. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       Do you remember that? Do you remember that? That was good.

   12. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:00:28

       No-... yeah. No one confesses anything anymore.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

       Look at that. (laughs)

   14. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:00:31

       No one admits to anything anymore.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

       Spread the word, "Bible bucket." (laughs)

   16. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:00:33

       Yes, I love that one.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       Ah, a bucket of Bibles.

   18. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:00:38

       Why not?

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

       That's um... only 50 bucks?

   20. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:00:40

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       That's a pretty good deal. How many bi-... how many Bibles you get?

   22. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:00:43

       24.Why? I think that's what it says.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

       Should we get a bucket of Bibles? I feel like we should have one at the studio.

   24. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:00:48

       Get one. Get one.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       I feel like we should have one at the studio.

   26. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:00:50

       I don't wanna feed the beast, but you should, you should get one.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       Ah, if he gets 50 bucks from me. What the fuck are we gonna do?

   28. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:00:55

       We need at least a table worth, table worth right?

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       Right. A table's worth of Bibles.

   30. BGDr. Bradley Garrett1:01:00

       Six, six buckets? How many- Can you get- How many buckets makes a table? But that... Shouldn't we get the food? Or should we just get the Bibles? One bucket of Bibles and five buckets of food. (laughs) But his fucking food- I love watching him feed the audience-

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