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Joe Rogan Experience #1516 - Post Malone

Post Malone is a singer-songwriter, rapper and record producer. @postmalone

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Jul 29, 20203h 49mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:000:47

    Cold open banter: dark surprises, no sleep, and “we’re rolling”

    1. PM

      I'm giving you my dark surprise.

    2. JR

      (clears throat) That's my Everybody's Too High song. Do do do do.

    3. PM

      Do do do do do do. (laughs)

    4. JR

      Right? (laughs) When it's like, "Oh, no."

    5. PM

      (laughs) This guy's fucking high.

    6. JR

      Grab the table. Yeah, hang on. Do do do do. Do do do do do. And we're rolling. What's up, brother? How are you?

    7. PM

      I don't even...

    8. JR

      What's going on?

    9. PM

      How are you?

    10. JR

      Got you in here, man. I'm excited, excited.

    11. PM

      You know, I'm finally, I'm finally here. I'm happy to be here.

    12. JR

      By the light, huh? This is your shit?

    13. PM

      Yeah, come on.

    14. JR

      All right.

    15. PM

      Cheers, sir.

    16. JR

      Cheers, sir.

    17. PM

      Why not?

    18. JR

      Pleasure.

    19. PM

      Also, precursor, I haven't slept.

    20. JR

      I know. We haven't slept, we're on mushrooms.

    21. PM

      (laughs)

    22. JR

      And, uh, let's roll. (laughs)

    23. PM

      Yeah, fuck it. We'll do it live. (laughs)

  2. 0:473:41

    Why Post Malone moved to Utah (and why LA wasn’t working)

    1. JR

      Yeah. "Let's do it live! Fuck it!" W- why Utah, man? Why you live in Utah? What's that about?

    2. PM

      I have no idea.

    3. JR

      Have you b- are you from there?

    4. PM

      No, sir. I was born in Syracuse, New York.

    5. JR

      It's bea- it's beautiful there. I love it there.

    6. PM

      It is. It's absolutely something special.

    7. JR

      I really love it. It's got a good vibe too, because it's, there's, it's almost like Utah's a secret because everybody's scared of the Mormons, so they don't go there.

    8. PM

      Right.

    9. JR

      But then you get there and you're like, "Jesus Christ, it's beautiful. And these Mormons are so nice."

    10. PM

      Everybody's so nice.

    11. JR

      (laughs)

    12. PM

      Everybody's so nice in Utah. And, um, you know, I did... So I don't remember what tour it was exactly, but there were supposed to be 5,000 people to show up. And then we end up getting to the show and there's 17,000 people. So we had to move it outside of the venue, right on the salt flats.

    13. JR

      Oh, wow.

    14. PM

      And I was just like, "If this isn't a sign from God or-"

    15. JR

      The aliens?

    16. PM

      ... you know, the aliens (laughs) , then I don't know what is." So I looked at houses on Zillow and I found one and fixed it all up.

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. PM

      And...

    19. JR

      That's awesome.

    20. PM

      Now I've been there two years just about, and...

    21. JR

      That's a good, it's a good spot for a guy like you too, 'cause it's chill in comparison to the rest of your life, which is so crazy.

    22. PM

      Yeah, well, that's the whole shit. I couldn't do LA.

    23. JR

      Hmm, yeah.

    24. PM

      I couldn't do LA. Like, I moved, like I said, from Syracuse to Dallas, and then Dallas to LA when I was 18. And I... It's, it's a lot for me and I couldn't focus the way that I needed to.

    25. JR

      Right.

    26. PM

      So...

    27. JR

      On your music and-

    28. PM

      Yeah. Um, I, I never... Like, there's always, you know, before COVID-

    29. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    30. PM

      ... there's always something going on.

  3. 3:415:37

    Mushrooms, microdosing, and the ‘VIP bracelet’ to the creative room

    1. JR

      If you do the right drugs, you can meet the aliens.

    2. PM

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      We were talking about that in the green room. If you do the right amount of mushrooms in a tank, get in a float tank, you can meet aliens. 100%.

    4. PM

      Well, that's whenever you're, you're most vulnera-

    5. JR

      Yeah.

    6. PM

      ... like you said, most vulnerable, most, most susceptible too.

    7. JR

      Well, that's, that's why I like weed, you know. We were talking about weed makes you vulnerable. And I think for someone like me, that's a good thing to, like, think that way, to think-

    8. PM

      Sure.

    9. JR

      ... to think, uh, just, just to look at all the vulnerabilities and just the reality of life and the temporary nature of it, which, it makes me more appreciative.

    10. PM

      Right.

    11. JR

      I feel like the fear actually makes me more appreciative.

    12. PM

      Right.

    13. JR

      But mushrooms are a different animal, man. They just bring you to this weird place that's, like, right next door.

    14. PM

      Right.

    15. JR

      You know? It's like, it's like a hall pass to this other place. Like, you get, like, a, a VIP bracelet, you get to go into another room that's right there all the time.

    16. PM

      But you can't go in until you get that bracelet.

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. PM

      And that's the whole thing. Like, uh, I, I've been doing these microdoses for a while, and you don't really catch it until you do, like, 10, like, right off the rip.

    19. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    20. PM

      But then I ate these chocolates the other day.

    21. JR

      (laughs)

    22. PM

      Some Shroomies Chocolates. And, uh, me and l- my, my producer, Lou, we made a, uh, a Coachella set for about two hours-

    23. JR

      Wow.

    24. PM

      ... based off of the Roblo- do you know Roblox?

    25. JR

      Yes. I have girls, young daughters.

    26. PM

      (laughs)

    27. JR

      I have a 10-year-old, a 12-year-old-

    28. PM

      So you know, you, do, do you know the-

    29. JR

      ... that are obsessed with Roblox.

    30. PM

      Do you know the death sound of Roblox?

  4. 5:3713:03

    Flow state, art-making ‘magic,’ and why people create at all

    1. JR

      Do you feel like that sometimes when ideas come to you when you're fucked up? Like, it's almost like, like it's a gift from somewhere?

    2. PM

      I have no idea. I think all of my ideas are kinda like mistakes. It's like, 'cause you never wake up and say, "Today I'm gonna write the," you know, Congratulations or any e- or any song. And you kinda just... It's, it's all about, like...... right moment, right time.

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. PM

      Like I had... Oh, I had, like, eight Bud Lights, right? And then I took just a tiny bit of shrooms. And then here, it's like... And then it just happens.

    5. JR

      Yeah.

    6. PM

      There's, it's- it's like, it is an accident. It is just like a spur-of-the-moment-type deal to where you're like, "Let me sing this melody over this beat," or, "Let me make this beat even." And it just kinda happens. I don't know.

    7. JR

      Well, that's the flow state, right? When you just... You can get out of your own way, and you can let ideas come to you. Like, w- I was talking with this dude. His name's Joe De Sena. He runs a Spartan race. He's a really smart guy, very interesting guy.

    8. PM

      Mm. Mm.

    9. JR

      He does a lot of stuff for kids. He's got all these kid programs. These kids do, like, difficult tasks and it... Like, they do it over-

    10. PM

      (coughs)

    11. JR

      ... a summer camp. He gets 'em better. But what... We were talking about it, and we were talking about being healthy and all the benefits of being healthy.

    12. PM

      Sure.

    13. JR

      And I was like, "There's- there's a lot to that, but there's also a lot to, like, the person who binges and creates something incredible." Like-

    14. PM

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      ... we were talking about Stephen King's books.

    16. PM

      Sure.

    17. JR

      Like some of the ones he doesn't even remember-

    18. PM

      Right.

    19. JR

      ... are the best ones 'cause he was on coke and drinking a- a fucking case of Bud.

    20. PM

      Right.

    21. JR

      Like, it just blasted out of his head. Chain-smoking cigarettes. And he doesn't even remember writing, I think it's Cujo. He doesn't even remember writing it. Like wrote Carrie half blacked-out. You read that book today, man, that is one of the best-

    22. PM

      Sure.

    23. JR

      ... fucking horror books ever.

    24. PM

      My dad's the biggest Stephen Kings fan. Stephen King fan.

    25. JR

      Dude.

    26. PM

      Like... And then, and-

    27. JR

      He's amazing.

    28. PM

      But, uh, I mean, at the end of the day, it's like, uh, to each his own.

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. PM

      You know what I mean?

  5. 13:0316:15

    Fame before the internet: imposters, portraits as ‘filters,’ and shaky history

    1. PM

      I always, I always think about this too, and this is a weird thought. You know how like there's famous people throughout history?

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. PM

      How the fuck do they know what they look like? Like, think about-

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. PM

      ... like in like Wild West times.

    6. JR

      Right.

    7. PM

      When they see a dude in a bar and he's like, "Oh, you're Crazy Bill. I've seen you." How does that work?

    8. JR

      How do they even know it was that guy?

    9. PM

      How do they even know? And then-

    10. JR

      They have photos, I guess.

    11. PM

      And then even somebody could say, "Oh, I'm Crazy Bill."

    12. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    13. PM

      But then how do you even believe 'em?

    14. JR

      Well, there's impos- there was imposter people all up until the internet, you know? There's like ... y- y- you can't be a fake Post Malone today.

    15. PM

      Right.

    16. JR

      But you could in 1970. You could play it off. Like, no one could get information to the real one.

    17. PM

      But then you have to think about these stories that people tell and think if it's the imposter or if it's the real dude.

    18. JR

      Right. There's probably a lot of fuckery when it comes to like Wild West stories. Right?

    19. PM

      Or think about even 1600s, like-

    20. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    21. PM

      ... "Oh, this dude was crazy with a battleax or something."

    22. JR

      (laughs)

    23. PM

      "I saw him cut like nine dudes in half with one swing."

    24. JR

      Right.

    25. PM

      But it's the wrong dude.

    26. JR

      Right.

    27. PM

      It's not even fucking William the, the, uh-

    28. JR

      Whatever he is?

    29. PM

      I don't-

    30. JR

      Braveheart?

  6. 16:1519:55

    Pirates, revolvers, and the accelerating tech of violence (to nukes)

    1. PM

      Also, there's some salty dogs-

    2. JR

      (laughs)

    3. PM

      ... and some rapscallions. What's a, what's a-

    4. JR

      Pirates.

    5. PM

      ... another pirate term? (laughs)

    6. JR

      Yeah. Dude, I was reading about pirates off the-

    7. PM

      Landlubber. (laughs)

    8. JR

      ... the coast of, uh, South Carolina. Was it Blackbeard? Is he the, the bi- the big one? It just makes you think like, Jesus Christ, like these are real people that would get ... Like, real famous dudes who'd get in boats and show up and just fuck people up and steal all their shit.

    9. PM

      So crazy.

    10. JR

      And they were famous for doing that.

    11. PM

      So crazy. And it's so funny you bring up Blackbeard, because I saw somebody had like some kind of sash or like, uh, like ...

    12. JR

      Like a Miss America?

    13. PM

      Like a bandolier.

    14. JR

      Oh, okay.

    15. PM

      Yeah, yeah, exactly. (laughs)

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. PM

      And it was ... Looked like you had a bunch of like black powder pistols.

    18. JR

      Oh.

    19. PM

      Like, you, you got one shot and then you're out.

    20. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    21. PM

      Like ...

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. PM

      It's so funny.

    24. JR

      That wasn't that long ago, man. That was the eight- early 1800s is when they came up with the revolver. The Colt came up with the revolver, and they didn't even really put it to use until the Texas Rangers. The Texas Rangers figured out how to, uh ... There was a guy named, I think it was Jack Hays. I think he's the original Texas Ranger, and basically was this badass dude who figured out how to fight the Indians on their turf. They were basically like, like the Navy Seals of the Texas frontier guys-

    25. PM

      Sure.

    26. JR

      ... who fought against the Comanches. And this guy figured out how to use a revolver. That wasn't that long ago, man. That's like 1840.

    27. PM

      It, it ... And it's moving so fast. You know what they say? You, they say, "God made man. Samuel Colt made him equal."

    28. JR

      Yeah. (laughs) That's a fucking great statement. That's what ... Colt invented the revolver. They're the ones who invented the ... I think it was a five-shot revolver. That was the first time they figured out how to fight the Comanches. They would, they would ride on a, a horse, they'd stay on the horse, they didn't get off to shoot, and they could shoot five times in a row. And they had a bunch of those cartridges. So they get ... The, the cartridges are already loaded, so they'd take it off, put a new cartridge in, fully loaded, then lock it in place.

    29. PM

      Sure. It was the whole-

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  7. 19:5538:25

    UFOs, government disclosure, and Post’s own sightings

    1. PM

      Tyler, Tyler and Ziggy are looking down at us right now. My at- those are my alien friends.

    2. JR

      I think that's why they're here.

    3. PM

      I agree.

    4. JR

      I agree.

    5. PM

      I agree wholeheartedly.

    6. JR

      I think they're like, "These dummies are gonna do something stupid." If aliens are real, I'm not 100% convinced-

    7. PM

      (laughs)

    8. JR

      ... but I'm probably like 90% convinced, but if they are real, I'm leaving the room for bullshit. It's like ... J- Jamie, get a picture of your shirt.

    9. PM

      If they're real.

    10. JR

      Show everybody the shirt you're wearing-

    11. PM

      (laughs)

    12. JR

      ... why we're talking about that. It's a UFO. It says ... Can they see it? "Believe dat." That's a dope shirt. It says-

    13. PM

      That's a saucer, if I've ever seen one.

    14. JR

      I think if they're, if they're here, they're not gonna love us. That's what I think.

    15. PM

      Well, that's what-

    16. JR

      I think they're gonna swoop in and go, "Hey, hey, hey."

    17. PM

      Well, that's-

    18. JR

      "Fuck."

    19. PM

      I, l- I'm 25, right? I can't speak on anything, but just looking from past experience and, you know, there's like drawings-

    20. JR

      Right.

    21. PM

      Like even in the Mona Lisa, there's a weird thing or whatever in the background-

    22. JR

      Yeah, it looks like a flying saucer.

    23. PM

      ... and shit. But there's a spike.

    24. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    25. PM

      It's a spike in like, because it's gettin' pretty weird here.

    26. JR

      The spike, they think ... It's ha- it's hard to tell because sometimes when people talk about UFOs, a bunch of other people hallucinate or lie. Like there's a lot of that.

    27. PM

      Right.

    28. JR

      So every time there's a real legit UFO-

    29. PM

      Right.

    30. JR

      ... you get a bunch of nut, just nut cases who just wanna tell crazy shit-

  8. 38:251:14:04

    Ancient aliens, Anunnaki myths, and humans as engineered ‘gold miners’

    1. PM

      ... you know the Anunnaki?

    2. JR

      Yes.

    3. PM

      (laughs) Yes.

    4. JR

      Yes. Yes.

    5. PM

      My, my... Yeah, if Lou was here. I got a great friend, Lou. Shout out to Lou. He would talk your ear off-

    6. JR

      I was just talking to this-

    7. PM

      ... about this whole deal.

    8. JR

      ... about this to an actual archeologist yesterday.

    9. PM

      Or the Nephilims.

    10. JR

      This Bradley Garrett. Yeah, the Nephilim or the Anunnaki from planet Nibiru, all that Zacharias Hitchin stuff. You ever read those books?

    11. PM

      No, sir.

    12. JR

      The books are weird, man. You know what's weird? Like, there's stuff that he was saying in, like, I believe it was, like, the 1970s where he was deciphering these, uh, texts. And one of the s- things that he said is... This is the craziest one of all. Humans were genetically engineered from lower primates and they were used to har- to, uh, harvest gold, and that the Anunnaki needed gold because gold-

    13. PM

      Gold.

    14. JR

      ... is very plentiful here-

    15. PM

      Right.

    16. JR

      ... and very hard to find, very rare on their planet.

    17. PM

      Right.

    18. JR

      And they engineered humans to mine... (hands clap) That's why people love gold so much.

    19. PM

      Right.

    20. JR

      If you think about, like, the usefulness of gold.

    21. PM

      Right.

    22. JR

      Gold isn't even remotely... It's... Unless you're making electronics, like, gold's not the best metal. Like, why is it so valuable?

    23. PM

      Right.

    24. JR

      Because it's pretty? Well, it's not even the prettiest shit. Like, rubies are prettier than gold. Emeralds are prettier than gold. Why is gold so goddamn expensive?

    25. PM

      But where does diamonds fit in?

    26. JR

      (smacks lips) That's a good question. Probably just someone tricked a chick into thinking it was a good move.

    27. PM

      I, I was reading about, like-

    28. JR

      (laughs)

    29. PM

      Yeah, that's what... It's, like, one movie, she had a diamond and then-

    30. JR

      But what he-

  9. 44:4958:44

    CRISPR, cloning, and the road to ‘superhumans’ and cyborg life

    1. JR

      Well, maybe they figured out a way to make life. So maybe they figured out a way how to make life where you can transfer your consciousness in some eternal mechanical thing. This is what, um ... There's this, uh ... Oh my God, I can't remember his name. Oh, Ray Kurzweil, sorry. Uh, he's a guy that's obsce- he's a scientist. He's a inventor. He's got like 100 patents. Genius guy. Um, maybe not 100, but a lot. Um, and he is obsessed with downloading his consciousness into a computer. He's obsessed with the idea of technology reaching a point where you could replicate, uh, a human being i- i- in, in a way where you w- will never die. Your consciousness will actually transmit to some sort of a, a computer or an artificial body or another body that's they, they've genetically engineered. And he believes this is, like, he's, he's saying you have to look at the exponential rate of technology. Right now, that doesn't make any sense.

    2. PM

      Right.

    3. JR

      But if you go 10 years from now, 10 years is gonna ... The 10 years time is gonna be like 100 years of progress.

    4. PM

      Well, like you said, exponentially. It's snowballing.

    5. JR

      Yep.

    6. PM

      Snowball.

    7. JR

      10 years after that, 1,000 years-

    8. PM

      Right.

    9. JR

      ... of progress. Like 20 years from now, I don't know if those are the right numbers, but 20 years from now or somewhere in that range, we could be looking at artificial life. We could be... 30 years from now, we could be looking at fake people.

    10. PM

      They're already cloning goats.

    11. JR

      Yeah, they've done sheep. Yeah, Dolly the sheep. Yeah. I bet they're cloning people 100%.

    12. PM

      Must be.

    13. JR

      100%. 100%. You don't think Russia is cloning people right now? You don't think China's cloning people right now? Why wouldn't they?

    14. PM

      I think we're cloning people.

    15. JR

      Well, if you think of the people that do, that treat human beings with the least amount of respect, if those ... Like, if you think of the way they treat their citizens, those people are likely to clone people. They're not gonna give a fuck. They're gonna wanna be able to-

    16. PM

      We don't give a fuck.

    17. JR

      ... they better be able to quick, quick to the jump. Yeah.

    18. PM

      We don't give a fuck.

    19. JR

      We don't give a fuck.

    20. PM

      N- I don't think anybody ... It's, it's a matter of ... It does honestly feel like, oh, everybody's just a gold miner.

    21. JR

      In a way 'cause we're mining technology.

    22. PM

      Everybody, I mean, even, even you sitting on your phone, you're-

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. PM

      ... contributing.

    25. JR

      100%, yeah.

    26. PM

      And then they're learning.

    27. JR

      And you want a new phone. You want a new phone next year. So you work hard-

    28. PM

      Right.

    29. JR

      ... so you can buy that new phone.

    30. PM

      Right.

  10. 58:441:17:14

    Nature’s horror show: gators, spiders, centipedes, bees, and bug-scale nightmares

    1. PM

      What happened to the dinosaurs, Joe?

    2. JR

      Asteroid. Yeah, that hit the Yucatan. They know when, they know where. There's, there's something called, uh, I think it's called iridium, and it, it's really rare on earth and really common in space. And, uh, there's a thick layer of it around 65 million years ago, and it's just a giant crater in the Yucatan. That's what killed all the dinosaurs.

    3. PM

      For certain.

    4. JR

      Most likely. Most likely. There's some other theories about, uh, how long they lasted, which ones died off, which one ... like, like alligators-

    5. PM

      What about alligators?

    6. JR

      Those motherfuckers are still here.

    7. PM

      Whoa!

    8. JR

      Yeah. (laughs)

    9. PM

      (laughs)

    10. JR

      Alligators are here right now, right? Bro, one ate a kid at Disneyland a couple years back.

    11. PM

      No shit.

    12. JR

      It was the year before I was there. Excuse me.

    13. PM

      Ate him whole?

    14. JR

      Disney World, not Disneyland. Disney World's the Florida one. Ate a kid. Yeah.

    15. PM

      Whole?

    16. JR

      A two-year-old kid, snatched him up.

    17. PM

      Jesus Christ.

    18. JR

      Horrible, horrible. Playing near the water and this fucking dinosaur. And imagine you take a kid to Disney World, "Well, it's gonna be safe for sure, we're at Disney World."

    19. PM

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      "They've done a great job making sure-"

    21. PM

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      "... there's not monsters living in the pond."

    23. PM

      Yeah. Yeah.

    24. JR

      Nope. No, there's monsters in that pond. Fucking alligator came out and ate their kid. Look at this motherfucker. Look at this thing.

    25. PM

      That's the motherfucker? That's the guy?

    26. JR

      No, this is a different one.

    27. PM

      Oh.

    28. JR

      This is a different one. This, but look at this.

    29. PM

      I was like, "They have video of this?" (laughs)

    30. JR

      Bro, these people are standing just a few feet away from a goddamn dinosaur with a brain the size of a quarter. That thing doesn't give a fuck about you or your babies or your kids or ... You're just lucky.

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