The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience #1516 - Post Malone
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150 min read · 30,006 words- 0:00 – 0:47
Cold open banter: dark surprises, no sleep, and “we’re rolling”
- PMPost Malone
I'm giving you my dark surprise.
- JRJoe Rogan
(clears throat) That's my Everybody's Too High song. Do do do do.
- PMPost Malone
Do do do do do do. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Right? (laughs) When it's like, "Oh, no."
- PMPost Malone
(laughs) This guy's fucking high.
- JRJoe Rogan
Grab the table. Yeah, hang on. Do do do do. Do do do do do. And we're rolling. What's up, brother? How are you?
- PMPost Malone
I don't even...
- JRJoe Rogan
What's going on?
- PMPost Malone
How are you?
- JRJoe Rogan
Got you in here, man. I'm excited, excited.
- PMPost Malone
You know, I'm finally, I'm finally here. I'm happy to be here.
- JRJoe Rogan
By the light, huh? This is your shit?
- PMPost Malone
Yeah, come on.
- JRJoe Rogan
All right.
- PMPost Malone
Cheers, sir.
- JRJoe Rogan
Cheers, sir.
- PMPost Malone
Why not?
- JRJoe Rogan
Pleasure.
- PMPost Malone
Also, precursor, I haven't slept.
- JRJoe Rogan
I know. We haven't slept, we're on mushrooms.
- PMPost Malone
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And, uh, let's roll. (laughs)
- PMPost Malone
Yeah, fuck it. We'll do it live. (laughs)
- 0:47 – 3:41
Why Post Malone moved to Utah (and why LA wasn’t working)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. "Let's do it live! Fuck it!" W- why Utah, man? Why you live in Utah? What's that about?
- PMPost Malone
I have no idea.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you b- are you from there?
- PMPost Malone
No, sir. I was born in Syracuse, New York.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's bea- it's beautiful there. I love it there.
- PMPost Malone
It is. It's absolutely something special.
- JRJoe Rogan
I really love it. It's got a good vibe too, because it's, there's, it's almost like Utah's a secret because everybody's scared of the Mormons, so they don't go there.
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
But then you get there and you're like, "Jesus Christ, it's beautiful. And these Mormons are so nice."
- PMPost Malone
Everybody's so nice.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PMPost Malone
Everybody's so nice in Utah. And, um, you know, I did... So I don't remember what tour it was exactly, but there were supposed to be 5,000 people to show up. And then we end up getting to the show and there's 17,000 people. So we had to move it outside of the venue, right on the salt flats.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, wow.
- PMPost Malone
And I was just like, "If this isn't a sign from God or-"
- JRJoe Rogan
The aliens?
- PMPost Malone
... you know, the aliens (laughs) , then I don't know what is." So I looked at houses on Zillow and I found one and fixed it all up.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PMPost Malone
And...
- JRJoe Rogan
That's awesome.
- PMPost Malone
Now I've been there two years just about, and...
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a good, it's a good spot for a guy like you too, 'cause it's chill in comparison to the rest of your life, which is so crazy.
- PMPost Malone
Yeah, well, that's the whole shit. I couldn't do LA.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm, yeah.
- PMPost Malone
I couldn't do LA. Like, I moved, like I said, from Syracuse to Dallas, and then Dallas to LA when I was 18. And I... It's, it's a lot for me and I couldn't focus the way that I needed to.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- PMPost Malone
So...
- JRJoe Rogan
On your music and-
- PMPost Malone
Yeah. Um, I, I never... Like, there's always, you know, before COVID-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- PMPost Malone
... there's always something going on.
- 3:41 – 5:37
Mushrooms, microdosing, and the ‘VIP bracelet’ to the creative room
- JRJoe Rogan
If you do the right drugs, you can meet the aliens.
- PMPost Malone
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
We were talking about that in the green room. If you do the right amount of mushrooms in a tank, get in a float tank, you can meet aliens. 100%.
- PMPost Malone
Well, that's whenever you're, you're most vulnera-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMPost Malone
... like you said, most vulnerable, most, most susceptible too.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, that's, that's why I like weed, you know. We were talking about weed makes you vulnerable. And I think for someone like me, that's a good thing to, like, think that way, to think-
- PMPost Malone
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
... to think, uh, just, just to look at all the vulnerabilities and just the reality of life and the temporary nature of it, which, it makes me more appreciative.
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I feel like the fear actually makes me more appreciative.
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
But mushrooms are a different animal, man. They just bring you to this weird place that's, like, right next door.
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? It's like, it's like a hall pass to this other place. Like, you get, like, a, a VIP bracelet, you get to go into another room that's right there all the time.
- PMPost Malone
But you can't go in until you get that bracelet.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMPost Malone
And that's the whole thing. Like, uh, I, I've been doing these microdoses for a while, and you don't really catch it until you do, like, 10, like, right off the rip.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- PMPost Malone
But then I ate these chocolates the other day.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PMPost Malone
Some Shroomies Chocolates. And, uh, me and l- my, my producer, Lou, we made a, uh, a Coachella set for about two hours-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- PMPost Malone
... based off of the Roblo- do you know Roblox?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. I have girls, young daughters.
- PMPost Malone
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I have a 10-year-old, a 12-year-old-
- PMPost Malone
So you know, you, do, do you know the-
- JRJoe Rogan
... that are obsessed with Roblox.
- PMPost Malone
Do you know the death sound of Roblox?
- 5:37 – 13:03
Flow state, art-making ‘magic,’ and why people create at all
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you feel like that sometimes when ideas come to you when you're fucked up? Like, it's almost like, like it's a gift from somewhere?
- PMPost Malone
I have no idea. I think all of my ideas are kinda like mistakes. It's like, 'cause you never wake up and say, "Today I'm gonna write the," you know, Congratulations or any e- or any song. And you kinda just... It's, it's all about, like...... right moment, right time.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMPost Malone
Like I had... Oh, I had, like, eight Bud Lights, right? And then I took just a tiny bit of shrooms. And then here, it's like... And then it just happens.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMPost Malone
There's, it's- it's like, it is an accident. It is just like a spur-of-the-moment-type deal to where you're like, "Let me sing this melody over this beat," or, "Let me make this beat even." And it just kinda happens. I don't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, that's the flow state, right? When you just... You can get out of your own way, and you can let ideas come to you. Like, w- I was talking with this dude. His name's Joe De Sena. He runs a Spartan race. He's a really smart guy, very interesting guy.
- PMPost Malone
Mm. Mm.
- JRJoe Rogan
He does a lot of stuff for kids. He's got all these kid programs. These kids do, like, difficult tasks and it... Like, they do it over-
- PMPost Malone
(coughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... a summer camp. He gets 'em better. But what... We were talking about it, and we were talking about being healthy and all the benefits of being healthy.
- PMPost Malone
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I was like, "There's- there's a lot to that, but there's also a lot to, like, the person who binges and creates something incredible." Like-
- PMPost Malone
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... we were talking about Stephen King's books.
- PMPost Malone
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like some of the ones he doesn't even remember-
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... are the best ones 'cause he was on coke and drinking a- a fucking case of Bud.
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, it just blasted out of his head. Chain-smoking cigarettes. And he doesn't even remember writing, I think it's Cujo. He doesn't even remember writing it. Like wrote Carrie half blacked-out. You read that book today, man, that is one of the best-
- PMPost Malone
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
... fucking horror books ever.
- PMPost Malone
My dad's the biggest Stephen Kings fan. Stephen King fan.
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude.
- PMPost Malone
Like... And then, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
He's amazing.
- PMPost Malone
But, uh, I mean, at the end of the day, it's like, uh, to each his own.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMPost Malone
You know what I mean?
- 13:03 – 16:15
Fame before the internet: imposters, portraits as ‘filters,’ and shaky history
- PMPost Malone
I always, I always think about this too, and this is a weird thought. You know how like there's famous people throughout history?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMPost Malone
How the fuck do they know what they look like? Like, think about-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PMPost Malone
... like in like Wild West times.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- PMPost Malone
When they see a dude in a bar and he's like, "Oh, you're Crazy Bill. I've seen you." How does that work?
- JRJoe Rogan
How do they even know it was that guy?
- PMPost Malone
How do they even know? And then-
- JRJoe Rogan
They have photos, I guess.
- PMPost Malone
And then even somebody could say, "Oh, I'm Crazy Bill."
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- PMPost Malone
But then how do you even believe 'em?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, there's impos- there was imposter people all up until the internet, you know? There's like ... y- y- you can't be a fake Post Malone today.
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
But you could in 1970. You could play it off. Like, no one could get information to the real one.
- PMPost Malone
But then you have to think about these stories that people tell and think if it's the imposter or if it's the real dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. There's probably a lot of fuckery when it comes to like Wild West stories. Right?
- PMPost Malone
Or think about even 1600s, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- PMPost Malone
... "Oh, this dude was crazy with a battleax or something."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PMPost Malone
"I saw him cut like nine dudes in half with one swing."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- PMPost Malone
But it's the wrong dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- PMPost Malone
It's not even fucking William the, the, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Whatever he is?
- PMPost Malone
I don't-
- JRJoe Rogan
Braveheart?
- 16:15 – 19:55
Pirates, revolvers, and the accelerating tech of violence (to nukes)
- PMPost Malone
Also, there's some salty dogs-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PMPost Malone
... and some rapscallions. What's a, what's a-
- JRJoe Rogan
Pirates.
- PMPost Malone
... another pirate term? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Dude, I was reading about pirates off the-
- PMPost Malone
Landlubber. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... the coast of, uh, South Carolina. Was it Blackbeard? Is he the, the bi- the big one? It just makes you think like, Jesus Christ, like these are real people that would get ... Like, real famous dudes who'd get in boats and show up and just fuck people up and steal all their shit.
- PMPost Malone
So crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they were famous for doing that.
- PMPost Malone
So crazy. And it's so funny you bring up Blackbeard, because I saw somebody had like some kind of sash or like, uh, like ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Like a Miss America?
- PMPost Malone
Like a bandolier.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay.
- PMPost Malone
Yeah, yeah, exactly. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PMPost Malone
And it was ... Looked like you had a bunch of like black powder pistols.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- PMPost Malone
Like, you, you got one shot and then you're out.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- PMPost Malone
Like ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMPost Malone
It's so funny.
- JRJoe Rogan
That wasn't that long ago, man. That was the eight- early 1800s is when they came up with the revolver. The Colt came up with the revolver, and they didn't even really put it to use until the Texas Rangers. The Texas Rangers figured out how to, uh ... There was a guy named, I think it was Jack Hays. I think he's the original Texas Ranger, and basically was this badass dude who figured out how to fight the Indians on their turf. They were basically like, like the Navy Seals of the Texas frontier guys-
- PMPost Malone
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
... who fought against the Comanches. And this guy figured out how to use a revolver. That wasn't that long ago, man. That's like 1840.
- PMPost Malone
It, it ... And it's moving so fast. You know what they say? You, they say, "God made man. Samuel Colt made him equal."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. (laughs) That's a fucking great statement. That's what ... Colt invented the revolver. They're the ones who invented the ... I think it was a five-shot revolver. That was the first time they figured out how to fight the Comanches. They would, they would ride on a, a horse, they'd stay on the horse, they didn't get off to shoot, and they could shoot five times in a row. And they had a bunch of those cartridges. So they get ... The, the cartridges are already loaded, so they'd take it off, put a new cartridge in, fully loaded, then lock it in place.
- PMPost Malone
Sure. It was the whole-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 19:55 – 38:25
UFOs, government disclosure, and Post’s own sightings
- PMPost Malone
Tyler, Tyler and Ziggy are looking down at us right now. My at- those are my alien friends.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think that's why they're here.
- PMPost Malone
I agree.
- JRJoe Rogan
I agree.
- PMPost Malone
I agree wholeheartedly.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think they're like, "These dummies are gonna do something stupid." If aliens are real, I'm not 100% convinced-
- PMPost Malone
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... but I'm probably like 90% convinced, but if they are real, I'm leaving the room for bullshit. It's like ... J- Jamie, get a picture of your shirt.
- PMPost Malone
If they're real.
- JRJoe Rogan
Show everybody the shirt you're wearing-
- PMPost Malone
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... why we're talking about that. It's a UFO. It says ... Can they see it? "Believe dat." That's a dope shirt. It says-
- PMPost Malone
That's a saucer, if I've ever seen one.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think if they're, if they're here, they're not gonna love us. That's what I think.
- PMPost Malone
Well, that's what-
- JRJoe Rogan
I think they're gonna swoop in and go, "Hey, hey, hey."
- PMPost Malone
Well, that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
"Fuck."
- PMPost Malone
I, l- I'm 25, right? I can't speak on anything, but just looking from past experience and, you know, there's like drawings-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- PMPost Malone
Like even in the Mona Lisa, there's a weird thing or whatever in the background-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it looks like a flying saucer.
- PMPost Malone
... and shit. But there's a spike.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- PMPost Malone
It's a spike in like, because it's gettin' pretty weird here.
- JRJoe Rogan
The spike, they think ... It's ha- it's hard to tell because sometimes when people talk about UFOs, a bunch of other people hallucinate or lie. Like there's a lot of that.
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So every time there's a real legit UFO-
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you get a bunch of nut, just nut cases who just wanna tell crazy shit-
- 38:25 – 1:14:04
Ancient aliens, Anunnaki myths, and humans as engineered ‘gold miners’
- PMPost Malone
... you know the Anunnaki?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- PMPost Malone
(laughs) Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Yes.
- PMPost Malone
My, my... Yeah, if Lou was here. I got a great friend, Lou. Shout out to Lou. He would talk your ear off-
- JRJoe Rogan
I was just talking to this-
- PMPost Malone
... about this whole deal.
- JRJoe Rogan
... about this to an actual archeologist yesterday.
- PMPost Malone
Or the Nephilims.
- JRJoe Rogan
This Bradley Garrett. Yeah, the Nephilim or the Anunnaki from planet Nibiru, all that Zacharias Hitchin stuff. You ever read those books?
- PMPost Malone
No, sir.
- JRJoe Rogan
The books are weird, man. You know what's weird? Like, there's stuff that he was saying in, like, I believe it was, like, the 1970s where he was deciphering these, uh, texts. And one of the s- things that he said is... This is the craziest one of all. Humans were genetically engineered from lower primates and they were used to har- to, uh, harvest gold, and that the Anunnaki needed gold because gold-
- PMPost Malone
Gold.
- JRJoe Rogan
... is very plentiful here-
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and very hard to find, very rare on their planet.
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they engineered humans to mine... (hands clap) That's why people love gold so much.
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
If you think about, like, the usefulness of gold.
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Gold isn't even remotely... It's... Unless you're making electronics, like, gold's not the best metal. Like, why is it so valuable?
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because it's pretty? Well, it's not even the prettiest shit. Like, rubies are prettier than gold. Emeralds are prettier than gold. Why is gold so goddamn expensive?
- PMPost Malone
But where does diamonds fit in?
- JRJoe Rogan
(smacks lips) That's a good question. Probably just someone tricked a chick into thinking it was a good move.
- PMPost Malone
I, I was reading about, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PMPost Malone
Yeah, that's what... It's, like, one movie, she had a diamond and then-
- JRJoe Rogan
But what he-
- 44:49 – 58:44
CRISPR, cloning, and the road to ‘superhumans’ and cyborg life
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, maybe they figured out a way to make life. So maybe they figured out a way how to make life where you can transfer your consciousness in some eternal mechanical thing. This is what, um ... There's this, uh ... Oh my God, I can't remember his name. Oh, Ray Kurzweil, sorry. Uh, he's a guy that's obsce- he's a scientist. He's a inventor. He's got like 100 patents. Genius guy. Um, maybe not 100, but a lot. Um, and he is obsessed with downloading his consciousness into a computer. He's obsessed with the idea of technology reaching a point where you could replicate, uh, a human being i- i- in, in a way where you w- will never die. Your consciousness will actually transmit to some sort of a, a computer or an artificial body or another body that's they, they've genetically engineered. And he believes this is, like, he's, he's saying you have to look at the exponential rate of technology. Right now, that doesn't make any sense.
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
But if you go 10 years from now, 10 years is gonna ... The 10 years time is gonna be like 100 years of progress.
- PMPost Malone
Well, like you said, exponentially. It's snowballing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yep.
- PMPost Malone
Snowball.
- JRJoe Rogan
10 years after that, 1,000 years-
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... of progress. Like 20 years from now, I don't know if those are the right numbers, but 20 years from now or somewhere in that range, we could be looking at artificial life. We could be... 30 years from now, we could be looking at fake people.
- PMPost Malone
They're already cloning goats.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, they've done sheep. Yeah, Dolly the sheep. Yeah. I bet they're cloning people 100%.
- PMPost Malone
Must be.
- JRJoe Rogan
100%. 100%. You don't think Russia is cloning people right now? You don't think China's cloning people right now? Why wouldn't they?
- PMPost Malone
I think we're cloning people.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, if you think of the people that do, that treat human beings with the least amount of respect, if those ... Like, if you think of the way they treat their citizens, those people are likely to clone people. They're not gonna give a fuck. They're gonna wanna be able to-
- PMPost Malone
We don't give a fuck.
- JRJoe Rogan
... they better be able to quick, quick to the jump. Yeah.
- PMPost Malone
We don't give a fuck.
- JRJoe Rogan
We don't give a fuck.
- PMPost Malone
N- I don't think anybody ... It's, it's a matter of ... It does honestly feel like, oh, everybody's just a gold miner.
- JRJoe Rogan
In a way 'cause we're mining technology.
- PMPost Malone
Everybody, I mean, even, even you sitting on your phone, you're-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMPost Malone
... contributing.
- JRJoe Rogan
100%, yeah.
- PMPost Malone
And then they're learning.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you want a new phone. You want a new phone next year. So you work hard-
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... so you can buy that new phone.
- PMPost Malone
Right.
- 58:44 – 1:17:14
Nature’s horror show: gators, spiders, centipedes, bees, and bug-scale nightmares
- PMPost Malone
What happened to the dinosaurs, Joe?
- JRJoe Rogan
Asteroid. Yeah, that hit the Yucatan. They know when, they know where. There's, there's something called, uh, I think it's called iridium, and it, it's really rare on earth and really common in space. And, uh, there's a thick layer of it around 65 million years ago, and it's just a giant crater in the Yucatan. That's what killed all the dinosaurs.
- PMPost Malone
For certain.
- JRJoe Rogan
Most likely. Most likely. There's some other theories about, uh, how long they lasted, which ones died off, which one ... like, like alligators-
- PMPost Malone
What about alligators?
- JRJoe Rogan
Those motherfuckers are still here.
- PMPost Malone
Whoa!
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. (laughs)
- PMPost Malone
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Alligators are here right now, right? Bro, one ate a kid at Disneyland a couple years back.
- PMPost Malone
No shit.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was the year before I was there. Excuse me.
- PMPost Malone
Ate him whole?
- JRJoe Rogan
Disney World, not Disneyland. Disney World's the Florida one. Ate a kid. Yeah.
- PMPost Malone
Whole?
- JRJoe Rogan
A two-year-old kid, snatched him up.
- PMPost Malone
Jesus Christ.
- JRJoe Rogan
Horrible, horrible. Playing near the water and this fucking dinosaur. And imagine you take a kid to Disney World, "Well, it's gonna be safe for sure, we're at Disney World."
- PMPost Malone
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"They've done a great job making sure-"
- PMPost Malone
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"... there's not monsters living in the pond."
- PMPost Malone
Yeah. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Nope. No, there's monsters in that pond. Fucking alligator came out and ate their kid. Look at this motherfucker. Look at this thing.
- PMPost Malone
That's the motherfucker? That's the guy?
- JRJoe Rogan
No, this is a different one.
- PMPost Malone
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is a different one. This, but look at this.
- PMPost Malone
I was like, "They have video of this?" (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Bro, these people are standing just a few feet away from a goddamn dinosaur with a brain the size of a quarter. That thing doesn't give a fuck about you or your babies or your kids or ... You're just lucky.
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