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Joe Rogan Experience #1529 - Whitney Cummings & Annie Lederman

Whitney Cummings is a stand up comedian, actress, writer, and producer. Check out her new podcast “Good For You” on Apple Podcasts & Spotify. @whitneycummings Annie Lederman is a stand up comedian. She is also the host of “MEANSPIRATION” podcast on All Things Comedy. @annielederman

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Aug 21, 20203h 9mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:001:19

    Reuniting at The Comedy Store: missing the old nights

    1. JR

      Doo, doo. First of all, how do you two not have a show together?

    2. AL

      (laughs)

    3. WC

      I don't know.

    4. JR

      'Cause hanging, hanging with you guys the other night-

    5. AL

      (laughs)

    6. JR

      ... at the store, first of all, how much fun was that?

    7. WC

      The best.

    8. AL

      It was so much fun.

    9. WC

      It was so fun. But is that what it... I can't remember 'cause it's been so long. It's been like six months now. Was that what every night was like?

    10. JR

      A lot of nights were like that.

    11. AL

      We just had the craziest... Like a circus freak night.

    12. WC

      (laughs)

    13. JR

      Just fun, just laughing constantly.

    14. WC

      The best.

    15. AL

      Oh my God.

    16. JR

      We used to go to the back bar and crack each other up.

    17. WC

      Yep.

    18. JR

      That was the constant thing.

    19. AL

      Mm-hmm.

    20. WC

      For hours.

    21. JR

      It was either in the back bar or the back smoking area, and everybody was laughing.

    22. AL

      Yep.

    23. JR

      And y- you get like a low-grade depression when you're not around it-

    24. AL

      (laughs)

    25. WC

      Yeah, it's so true.

    26. JR

      ... and you forget. You forget for months and months and months. And then we had one night where we were all like, ah!

    27. AL

      (laughs)

    28. WC

      (laughs) That's so true.

    29. JR

      Just shooting up and saying ridiculous shit.

    30. AL

      I do feel like I had like a crush on the night. Like I kept thinking about it-

  2. 1:192:48

    COVID-era anxieties to malaria (and why diseases come back)

    1. AL

      Yeah.

    2. JR

      I mean, the way we did it the other night, everybody gets tested.

    3. WC

      Mm-hmm.

    4. JR

      You go and hang out and it's fun and we had a great time.

    5. AL

      That was STD tests, but-

    6. WC

      (laughs)

    7. AL

      ... we do all have COVID, unfortunately.

    8. WC

      My chlamydia killed my COVID, so I'm good.

    9. JR

      Well, COVID goes away.

    10. WC

      We cancel each other out. (laughs)

    11. AL

      (laughs)

    12. WC

      Eventually.

    13. AL

      We think. (laughs)

    14. WC

      (laughs)

    15. JR

      (laughs)

    16. AL

      Wait, fingers crossed.

    17. JR

      Yeah, we don't know, right? What if it's an annual thing, it keeps coming back? I have a friend who got malaria, and then he got malaria again when he got sick. So it had been dormant inside of his system. My friend, Justin Wren, he runs Fight for the Forgotten. He does charities in, uh, the Congo where he builds wells for the pygmies. And he's there all... He got malaria three fucking times.

    18. AL

      Jesus.

    19. JR

      And so he goes over there, he gets malaria, like deathly ill, comes back, and then he beats it, does all the medication. And then a long time later, he gets really sick. And when he gets sick, the malaria kicks back in again, and he wasn't even in the Congo.

    20. AL

      The mara- malaria's like-

    21. WC

      Whoa.

    22. AL

      ... not to be forgotten.

    23. WC

      (laughs)

    24. JR

      No.

    25. AL

      He's like, "This is a charity for me."

    26. JR

      Malaria has killed more people than anything.

    27. WC

      That's right.

    28. JR

      Like anything ever.

    29. WC

      More than wars, I think, right?

    30. JR

      Yeah. Mm-hmm.

  3. 2:484:05

    Genetically modified mosquitoes, clickbait news, and “nothing matters” politics

    1. JR

      Yeah. So they just, I just put this on my Twitter, or my, uh, Instagram, that they've released or they're about to release some fucking untold hundreds of millions of genetically modified mosquitoes in the Everglades.

    2. WC

      I saw that.

    3. JR

      Did you do it? In either Everglades or in the Florida Keys. I think the Florida Keys.

    4. WC

      Florida, I think.

    5. JR

      Who the fuck knows?

    6. WC

      And what is it supposed to do? I feel-

    7. JR

      I don't know. You get some fucking nerds.

    8. AL

      Did you read it?

    9. WC

      (laughs) Delivering the vaccine.

    10. JR

      I, I, I got scared. I pulled away from it. And then I got a text from a friend of mine who's a biologist, and he was like, "What the fuck are they doing?"

    11. WC

      (laughs)

    12. JR

      I'm like, "If you're scared, now I'm really scared."

    13. WC

      (laughs)

    14. AL

      I saw you post that and I was like, "Maybe I should read the article." And then I was like, "Reading's really challenging. Maybe I'll just go and ask what're gonna happen."

    15. WC

      I'm still catching up on murder hornets. Like I still don't know what happened with the pee tape. Like I'm so behind... Every day is some crazy adrenalizing story.

    16. JR

      Do you think the pee tape is real and is it gonna come out like right before the election? But if it does come out right before the election-

    17. AL

      Nobody's gonna care.

    18. JR

      ... but does it work now because of the mail-in thing? Like people are-

    19. WC

      Mm-hmm.

    20. JR

      They're voting already, right?

    21. WC

      Right. Right. I, I think we are sort of at a point where nothing fucking matters. We're in this-

    22. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    23. WC

      ... sort of like nihilistic thing where it's like if a pee tape came out right now of Trump like peeing on someone, we'd just be like-

    24. AL

      They don't care. Nobody ca-

    25. WC

      Like as long as it's-

    26. AL

      People that like Trump do... Aren't like, "I like him 'cause of how he treats women."

    27. WC

      As long as, as long as he-

    28. AL

      They don't... "I like how he doesn't pee on women. I love how women leave the room with him dry from urine."

    29. WC

      As long as he didn't apologize, he'd be fine. (laughs)

    30. AL

      Yeah, exactly.

  4. 4:055:44

    Apologies, car accidents, and the Caitlyn Jenner tangent

    1. WC

      As soon as you apologize, you're fucked.

    2. AL

      You can't cancel Trump.

    3. WC

      It's like it's, it's, it's like in a car accident, the first person to apologize, it's their fault, so you gotta just get out in the car accident-

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. WC

      ... and just be like, "What the fuck, man? What the fuck was that?"

    6. JR

      But it is a gross thing when someone hits you and then they say that was your fault, and you're like, "Oh, this is the grossest-"

    7. AL

      No, never apologize. You told me that your dad taught you that, right?

    8. WC

      Never apologize. Yep.

    9. JR

      In a car accident.

    10. AL

      Which you told me-

    11. WC

      Never.

    12. AL

      ... after I got in a car accident. You were like, "The one advice my dad gave me that was-

    13. WC

      (laughs)

    14. AL

      ... the best advice was when you're in a car accident, never say sorry 'cause you'll get blamed for it."

    15. JR

      But what if you actually, actually did it? Then you should say sorry. If you hit somebody with your car, like if you rear-ended someone-

    16. AL

      No, you look at them and you go like-

    17. WC

      Well-

    18. AL

      ... "I'm gonna sue the shit out of you."

    19. WC

      (laughs)

    20. AL

      "You missing a leg, I'm not paying for that."

    21. WC

      (laughs) Uh-

    22. JR

      Don't you think you should say sorry if you rear-end someone?

    23. AL

      Of course.

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. WC

      I did that. I was thinking about you 'cause you posted that Irresistible, uh, that book the other day.

    26. JR

      That book. Oof.

    27. WC

      Dude, I rear-ended someone-

    28. JR

      Oof.

    29. WC

      ... texting like a year ago. And I got out and I was like, "I know I need to have a consequence for this behavior because I was-

    30. JR

      Mm-hmm.

  5. 5:449:16

    “Jokes aren’t dead”: Comedy Store culture vs Twitter outrage

    1. WC

      Something that was so important at the Comedy Store the other night is that these last six months have sort of hoodwinked me into believing that like jokes are dead, that we're not allowed to make jokes anymore.

    2. JR

      Right.

    3. WC

      And c- because Twitter-

    4. AL

      Right.

    5. WC

      ... has sort of, you know... We're hallucinating with all the shit we're seeing on Twitter and, and blowing it up to be bigger than, uh, it should be. But like as soon as I saw Tony Hinchcliffe, I through-

    6. AL

      (laughs)

    7. WC

      I said the most-

    8. AL

      Oh my God.

    9. WC

      ... offensive shit possible, and everyone exploded in laughter. And I was like, "Ah."

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. WC

      "The fuck is back."

    12. JR

      Oh, he's the best for that. That little motherfucker will say the most evil shit.

    13. WC

      (laughs)

    14. AL

      No, the moment something happens. There's no too soon for... I mean, Tony's like-

    15. JR

      No, no, no, no, no. Not Tony.

    16. WC

      But I don't, I don't think we're designed to just be on the internet. If you're just on the internet and not seeing human beings and making jokes-

    17. JR

      Right.

    18. WC

      ... around actual people, you can be tricked into thinking that that shit's real.

    19. JR

      Well, Stanhope really said it best once. He said, "I could quit comedy, but I couldn't quit comics."

    20. AL

      Mm-hmm.

    21. WC

      Mm.

    22. JR

      And that's what the other night was like. Like I've, I've had my little fix where I did a weekend in Houston, uh, a couple, like a month or so ago, but it wasn't as fun as last, that night.

    23. AL

      Ugh, it was so fun.

    24. JR

      That night was the most fun because it was just a bunch of comics-

    25. WC

      (laughs)

    26. JR

      ... just laughing at each other.

    27. AL

      Stop.

    28. WC

      Saying a bunch of shit that will get us canceled.

    29. AL

      Screaming, laughing, talking over each other. It was just like amazing.

    30. JR

      But it's the art form of saying shit you don't really mean-

  6. 9:1611:19

    Roast Battle origins: how Whitney and Annie first met (and clashed)

    1. JR

      Roast battle was really good for comedy, really good for comedy.

    2. WC

      That's where Andy and I met the first time.

    3. AL

      Mm-hmm. Oh, should we talk about it? (laughs) Yeah.

    4. WC

      Our meet cute story?

    5. AL

      We, yeah-

    6. WC

      We didn't start off on great terms.

    7. JR

      Uh-oh.

    8. AL

      It was, it was okay, though. It wasn't that bad. You, you texted me so fast after it, though. I was like, "It's so weird Whitney Cummings just texted me." But, um-

    9. WC

      You are intimidating. I am gonna say that. There's something very intimidating about you. It's 'cause you're showing your midriff at all times. (laughs)

    10. AL

      It doesn't matter, all, all different shapes of muffins, it doesn't matter what genre.

    11. WC

      I'm afraid I'm gonna get tetanus from your poops.

    12. JR

      Well, you're, you're confident, that's one thing.

    13. AL

      It's Asperger's, honestly. (laughs)

    14. JR

      But there's a, there's a fear that you could be mean.

    15. AL

      (laughs) Yeah.

    16. JR

      So that's what people are scared of, that you're confident but you might be mean. It's like, "Ooh, I gotta tread lightly."

    17. WC

      She's a beast.

    18. AL

      I always think the funniest thing is, like, the truth.

    19. WC

      You also dress, you wear military garb, you dress like a Navy SEAL. (laughs)

    20. AL

      I do look, like, anti-Semitic, I'm gonna be honest, with these boots.

    21. JR

      What happened to those boots?

    22. AL

      You know, I just was like, "Should I wear-"

    23. JR

      Those are a choice?

    24. AL

      "... sneakers or boots?"

    25. WC

      Annie's dad didn't love her.

    26. JR

      But you bought those.

    27. AL

      No, my dad loved me a lot. He just was-

    28. WC

      Too much?

    29. AL

      Very mean. No, not that much. (laughs)

    30. WC

      (laughs)

  7. 11:1915:52

    Assistants, trust, and celebrity safety horror stories

    1. AL

      Well, you said to me, I was saying, I was like, "I'm, when I'm rich, I'm gonna get a chef." And you were like, "Keep your circle small, Annie." You were like, "You don't want a fucking chef."

    2. JR

      You don't even want an assistant.

    3. AL

      Yeah.

    4. WC

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      Yeah, when you, when you have an assistant, that means you do too much shit.

    6. AL

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      Do less shit.

    8. WC

      That's a good point. And by the time you tell someone to do something, you could've just done it yourself.

    9. AL

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      Look, you could get lucky. I have friends that have, have had assistants that wind up being their best friends, and it's great. They're just a cool person that they met-

    11. WC

      Yeah, yeah. I kinda have that, yeah.

    12. JR

      ... that needed a job. But I also have friends that got sued by their assistant, and David Spade got tasered and tied up.

    13. AL

      (laughs) He got tied.

    14. WC

      Almost murdered.

    15. JR

      Almost murdered by his assistant.

    16. AL

      I'm sorry to see.

    17. JR

      His assistant was trying to kill him.

    18. WC

      See, David Spade-

    19. AL

      Not a funny bite.

    20. WC

      David Spade has on his bedroom door a fucking, a latch, like a, like a Medieval wooden latch that-

    21. AL

      And the fucked up part is it's from the, it's from the outside, so when you go in-

    22. WC

      (laughs)

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. AL

      ... you can't leave.

    25. WC

      Imagine being a girl going in to hook up with David Spade and he's like...

    26. AL

      He's like...

    27. WC

      Ka-chunk.

    28. JR

      "Hey, can I get you something to drink?"

    29. AL

      (laughs)

    30. WC

      (laughs) It's like, damn.

  8. 15:5221:25

    Plastic surgery, face dysmorphia, and internet self-perception myths

    1. JR

      I remember one time I was at the Brea Improv high as fuck, like, way too high.

    2. WC

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      And I'm sitting there just (breathes out) breathing heavy and Joan Rivers' show came on the television. And when you see someone with those fillers in their face and the ratio's all off-

    4. WC

      Oh, yeah.

    5. AL

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      ... 'cause it's like... And then their face isn't moving. I was horrified.

    7. WC

      Right.

    8. JR

      I was sitting there just p- barbecued watching the screen going-

    9. AL

      (laughs)

    10. JR

      ... "Oh my God, this is crazy."

    11. WC

      Well, I have a theory about plastic surgery. If you're gonna, like, trim some off the nose, you have to put it on your chin or something, you have a certain amount of face meat and it has to stay on your face.

    12. JR

      No, you're right. There's a, there's actually-

    13. WC

      You gotta put it back somewhere.

    14. JR

      ... a golden ratio.

    15. WC

      Right, right.

    16. JR

      The Fibonacci sequence actually applies to your face. That's why when someone gets a nose job and you're like, "Your nose looks good, but it doesn't look like it's your nose." Like-

    17. WC

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      ... what, what's happening here?

    19. WC

      Like, nature knows what it's doing.

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. WC

      There's a certain arrangement. It's, it's like Whac-A-Mole. If you-

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. WC

      ... mess one thing up, you're gonna have to move everything else. But I was reading something about body dysmorphia, about how we've gotten so dysmorphic about what we look like 'cause we're always looking at ourselves on screens and in photos, which is the reverse-

    24. JR

      Oh, right.

    25. WC

      ... of how other people see us.

    26. AL

      Right.

    27. WC

      And they say that if you were to see yourself out in the world, you wouldn't be able to recognize yourself. That's how dysmorphic we are.

    28. AL

      Hmm.

    29. JR

      That's ridiculous 'cause there's videos of you.

    30. WC

      Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

  9. 21:2529:40

    Whitney’s prescribed ketamine, David Blaine’s stunts, and magic psychology

    1. WC

      Um, so I was doing (laughs) definitely ketamine, by the way.

    2. AL

      Whitney's been date raping herself, guys.

    3. WC

      (laughs)

    4. AL

      She's been putting herself into K-holes and then getting right in that hole.

    5. WC

      I do K and masturbate. (laughs)

    6. AL

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      Now, the, the ketamine is like prescribed, though.

    8. WC

      It's prescribed, yeah.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. WC

      Yeah, it's prescri- it's like a nasal spray, that's prescrib-

    11. JR

      You have it here?

    12. WC

      It's in my purse somewhere. Yeah.

    13. AL

      What's so funny about it is it's a nasal spray-

    14. WC

      Why do I feel like-

    15. AL

      ... but when I was going to raves and doing it, we also nasally injected. I mean, there are literally just... (laughs)

    16. WC

      But this is a pretty trace amount. It's not a lot and I only do it like a couple times a week.

    17. JR

      A couple times a week. And what does it do?

    18. AL

      But let's do a, dude, let's-

    19. WC

      It's really a good, very helpful drug.

    20. AL

      ... let's do a when you do it.

    21. WC

      Let's do a bunch of ketamine and stab ourselves, like David Blaine. (laughs)

    22. AL

      (laughs)

    23. JR

      That's got his cooties on it. It went through his arm. I don't even think we cleaned it.

    24. WC

      Good.

    25. AL

      Did it really go through his arm?

    26. JR

      Oh, it f- I pushed it through. I pushed it through his arm.

    27. WC

      And then you made you stop for a second?

    28. JR

      Yeah. We, I hit a nerve the first time, then I had to back out and do it again. I didn't wanna do it. He wanted-

    29. AL

      Did the frog live?

    30. JR

      Yeah, yeah. The frog was fine.

  10. 29:4034:34

    Weapons, running safety, and the on-air taser moment

    1. JR

      No. I don't wanna have anything to do with bears. I'm scared of nature.

    2. WC

      Really?

    3. JR

      Yeah. Oh, for sure.

    4. AL

      That's why you kill it?

    5. JR

      Well, no.

    6. AL

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      I kill it to eat it.

    8. WC

      Do you run with a taser?

    9. JR

      No.

    10. WC

      I run with a little taser now.

    11. JR

      I carry a big knife. I have this, uh-

    12. WC

      Oh, smart.

    13. AL

      I don't like... Please don't run with a knife.

    14. JR

      This knife with the...

    15. AL

      I've seen you play basketball.

    16. WC

      I have a taser. (laughs)

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. WC

      I have a little taser. It's like a...

    19. JR

      A taser's not a bad idea but I don't know if it'll work on an animal.

    20. AL

      I carry nunchuks, I carry, um...

    21. WC

      Oh, interesting.

    22. AL

      ... paper weights that fit on your knuckles.

    23. JR

      You carry that little taser around with you?

    24. WC

      This whole thing with me. Yeah, I put it in my fanny pack.

    25. JR

      Have you ever tased yourself to see what it feels like?

    26. WC

      No.

    27. AL

      I wanna do it.

    28. WC

      Should we?

    29. JR

      Nope.

    30. WC

      We have got to get more views to David Blaine. (laughs)

  11. 34:3449:13

    Comedy community as a ‘walled garden’ and why outsiders resent it

    1. WC

      So many people want to, like, go female comics, male comics. Like, I, I feel like we're so wooden. We're together, we're so weirdly genderless. Like, we're like brother and sister.

    2. AL

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      We were talking about that the other night. That it's a real meritocracy.

    4. AL

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      If you're funny, you're one of the clan. And that's really all it is.

    6. WC

      That's it. Right.

    7. JR

      And I get that it's upsetting for people who are on the outside.

    8. AL

      Yes-

    9. JR

      I get it.

    10. WC

      Yeah.

    11. AL

      ... because-

    12. WC

      You're not at the club and that sucks.

    13. JR

      A friend of mine who is a, like, a philosopher, very smart guy, tried to explain it to me and he, he just... Completely independent of this. He's like, "You guys have to understand that your little..." And he's not a comic at all. He's like, "This little group of people's like a walled garden."

    14. AL

      Mm-hmm.

    15. JR

      "So there's a lot of people on the outside of it that see you guys having so much fun and doing all these things together and having each other on each other's podcasts." And there's just an automatic feeling in human nature to feel like you're alienated from that group. So that group somehow or another disrespects you. That group is negative or bad or mean or this or that.

    16. AL

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      Or this or that. And then it compounds.

    18. WC

      Yeah.

    19. AL

      Right.

    20. JR

      You know? And then it becomes... It, whatever... Find whatever the group is, whatever your identity-

    21. WC

      Right.

    22. AL

      Right.

    23. JR

      ... politics is.

    24. AL

      Right.

    25. JR

      If it's a right-wing thing or a girl thing or a gay thing-

    26. AL

      Right.

    27. JR

      ... or a boy thing.

    28. WC

      Sports.

    29. JR

      Yeah, whatever it is.

    30. WC

      Or team thing.

  12. 49:1354:59

    Fear Factor extremes: donkey cum, network sign-off, and why TV couldn’t escalate further

    1. JR

      Just imagine if that... 'Cause, you know, they do that to mules actually. What? Yeah, when they- when they wanna extract sperm from them-

    2. WC

      Whoa.

    3. JR

      ... they actually stick a cattle prod up their asshole and they just shoot. Bang. (laughs)

    4. AL

      Oh, my gosh.

    5. JR

      Yeah. And I know that because of-

    6. WC

      That's someone's job.

    7. AL

      ... Fear Factor.

    8. WC

      That's someone's job. (laughs)

    9. JR

      No, because of Fear Factor. We made people drink donkey cum.

    10. AL

      Did you ever drink the bad stuff? Did you ever taste it?

    11. JR

      I didn't drink that, but I ate a bunch of things. I ate a cockroach, a Madagascar giant hissing cockroach. I ate, um, tomato wh-

    12. AL

      And it popped in your mouth?

    13. JR

      Oh, it destroyed... It just was all chewy and-

    14. AL

      Did it taste good at all?

    15. JR

      No, but it didn't taste bad. It's just-

    16. WC

      Was it alive?

    17. JR

      ... it's a mind fuck, yeah.

    18. WC

      Dude.

    19. JR

      It's a mind fuck. It's not... It doesn't taste bad. It's almost like tasteless.

    20. AL

      Yeah.

    21. WC

      The legs, dude.

    22. JR

      No big deal.

    23. WC

      The legs are what get me.

    24. JR

      Yeah, but it's basically a lobster.

    25. AL

      They're the best part.

    26. JR

      Like a lobster-

    27. AL

      Mm.

    28. JR

      ... is a bug.

    29. WC

      Oh, yeah.

    30. JR

      It's not much different.

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