Joe Rogan Experience #1529 - Whitney Cummings & Annie Lederman

Whitney Cummings is a stand up comedian, actress, writer, and producer. Check out her new podcast “Good For You” on Apple Podcasts & Spotify. Annie Lederman is a stand up comedian. She is also the host of “MEANSPIRATION” podcast on All Things Comedy.

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0:00 – 1:19
Reuniting at the Comedy Store: the “fix” of being around comics again
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Doo, doo. First of all, how do you two not have a show together?
2. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs) I don't know.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause hanging, hanging with you guys the other night-
4. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... at the store, first of all, how much fun was that?
6. WCWhitney Cummings
  The best.
7. ALAnnie Lederman
  It was so much fun.
8. WCWhitney Cummings
  It was so fun. But is that what it... I can't remember 'cause it's been so long. It's been like six months now. Was that what every night was like?
9. JRJoe Rogan
  A lot of nights were like that.
10. WCWhitney Cummings
  Yeah.
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  We just had the craziest... Like a circus freak night.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Just fun-
13. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
14. JRJoe Rogan
  ... just laughing constantly.
15. WCWhitney Cummings
  The best. Oh my God.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  We used to go to the back bar and crack each other up.
17. WCWhitney Cummings
  Yep.
18. ALAnnie Lederman
  Mm-hmm.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  That was the constant thing.
20. WCWhitney Cummings
  For hours.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  It was either in the back bar or the back smoking area, and everybody was laughing.
22. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yep.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  And y- you get like a low-grade depression-
24. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... when you're not around it. And you forget.
26. WCWhitney Cummings
  Yeah, it's so true.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  You forget for months and months and months. And then we had one night where we were all like, "Ah!"
28. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
29. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
30. WCWhitney Cummings
  That's so true.
1:19 – 2:48
From COVID testing to malaria: how diseases linger (and why that’s scary)
1. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, the way we did it the other night, everybody gets tested.
3. WCWhitney Cummings
  Mm-hmm.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  You go and hang out, and it's fun, and we had a great time.
5. ALAnnie Lederman
  That was STD tests.
6. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
7. ALAnnie Lederman
  But we do all have COVID, unfortunately.
8. WCWhitney Cummings
  My chlamydia killed my COVID, so I'm good.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, COVID goes away.
10. WCWhitney Cummings
  We cancel each other out. (laughs)
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
12. WCWhitney Cummings
  Eventually.
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  We think. (laughs)
14. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  Wait, fingers crossed.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, we don't know, right? What if it's an annual thing, it keeps coming back? I have a friend who got malaria, and then he got malaria again when he got sick. So, it had been dormant inside of his system. My friend, Justin Wren, he runs Fight for the Forgotten. He does charities in, uh, the Congo. He builds wells for the pygmies. And he's there all... He got malaria three fucking times.
17. WCWhitney Cummings
  Jesus.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  And so he goes over there, he gets malaria, like deathly ill, comes back, and then he beats it, does all the medication. And then a long time later, he gets really sick. And when he gets sick, the malaria kicks back in again, and he wasn't even in the Congo.
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  The mara- malaria's like-
20. WCWhitney Cummings
  Whoa.
21. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... not to be forgotten.
22. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
23. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
24. ALAnnie Lederman
  He's like, "This is a charity for me."
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Malaria has killed more people than anything.
26. WCWhitney Cummings
  That's right.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, anything ever.
28. WCWhitney Cummings
  More than wars, I think, right?
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Mm-hmm.
30. ALAnnie Lederman
  My dad had malaria. He was born in... His da-... He was born in Panama 'cause his dad was stationed there, and he got malaria when he was a baby, but it never came up again.
2:48 – 3:30
Genetically modified mosquitoes, doom headlines, and information overload
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. So, they just r-... I just put this on my Twitter, or my, uh, Instagram, that they've released or they're about to release some fucking untold hundreds of millions of genetically modified mosquitoes in the Everglades.
2. WCWhitney Cummings
  I saw that.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  In the, in the Everglades- Did you know what- ... or in the Florida Keys? I think the Florida Keys.
4. WCWhitney Cummings
  Florida, I think.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Who the fuck knows?
6. WCWhitney Cummings
  And what is it supposed to do? I mean-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't know.
8. WCWhitney Cummings
  They're-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  You get some fucking nerves.
10. ALAnnie Lederman
  Did you read it?
11. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs) Delivering the vaccine.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  I, I, I got scared.
13. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
14. JRJoe Rogan
  I pulled away from it. And then I got a text from a friend of mine who's a biologist, and he was like, "What the fuck are they doing?"
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
16. JRJoe Rogan
  I'm like, "If you're scared, now I'm really scared."
17. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
18. ALAnnie Lederman
  I saw you post that, and I was like, "Maybe I should read the article." And then I was like, "Reading's really challenging. Maybe I'll just go and ask what are gonna happen."
19. WCWhitney Cummings
  I'm still catching up on murder hornets. Like, I still don't know what happened with the pee tape. Like, I'm so behind. Every day is some crazy adrenalizing story.
20. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
3:30 – 5:15
Pee tape politics, apologizing, and the comedy logic of “never say sorry”
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you think the pee tape is real, and is it gonna come out, like, right before the election? But if it does come out right before the election-
2. ALAnnie Lederman
  Nobody's gonna care.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... but does it work now because of the mail-in thing?
4. WCWhitney Cummings
  Mm-hmm.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, people are, are, are, they're voting already, right?
6. WCWhitney Cummings
  Right. Right. I, I think we are sort of at a point where nothing fucking matters. We're in this-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
8. WCWhitney Cummings
  ... sort of like nihilistic thing where it's like if a pee tape came out right now of Trump like peeing on someone, we'd just be like-
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  They don't care. Nobody ca-... People that like Trump-
10. WCWhitney Cummings
  Like, as long as it's-
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... ar- aren't like, "I like him 'cause of how he treats women."
12. WCWhitney Cummings
  As long as, as long as he-
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  They don't... "I like how he doesn't pee on women. I love how women leave the room with him dry from urine."
14. WCWhitney Cummings
  As long as he didn't apologize, he'd be fine. (laughs)
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah, exactly.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
17. WCWhitney Cummings
  As soon as you apologize, you're fucked.
18. ALAnnie Lederman
  You can't cancel Trump.
19. WCWhitney Cummings
  It's like it's, it's, it's like in a car accident, the first person to apologize, it's their fault, so you don't gotta just get out in the car accident.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
21. WCWhitney Cummings
  Just be like, "What the fuck, man? What the fuck was up?"
22. JRJoe Rogan
  But it is a gross thing when someone hits you and then they say, "That was your fault." You're like, "Oh, this is the grossest-"
23. ALAnnie Lederman
  Oh, never apologize. You told me that your dad taught you that, right?
24. WCWhitney Cummings
  Never apologize, yep.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  In a car accident.
26. ALAnnie Lederman
  Which you told me-
27. WCWhitney Cummings
  Never.
28. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... after I got in a car accident. You were like, "The one advice my dad gave me that was-
29. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
30. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... the best advice was, when you're in a car accident, never say sorry 'cause you'll get blamed for it."
5:15 – 7:09
Kurt Metzger, roast culture, and why offensive jokes land in the room
1. WCWhitney Cummings
  That, that is what I miss so much.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh my God.
3. WCWhitney Cummings
  Honestly, maybe-
4. ALAnnie Lederman
  And that's Kurt Metzger and the-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
6. ALAnnie Lederman
  He hasn't been canceled in a couple years.
7. WCWhitney Cummings
  First of all, he needs to be re-cancelled.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  That's such a, that's such a Kurt joke.
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  He's so funny.
10. WCWhitney Cummings
  He's gonna wake up and be like, "Fuck you guys. You just canceled me."
11. JRJoe Rogan
  He's, he's, it's a, a travesty that that guy's not more well-known.
12. ALAnnie Lederman
  She did-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  And every time I do podcasts with him too, he's so... He's funny on podcasts. He's smart as fuck.
14. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah, he's quick.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  He's really well-read. He's great.
16. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah, his ideas are very unique, funny-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
18. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... smart.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah, they're great.
21. WCWhitney Cummings
  Something that was so important at the Comedy Store the other night is that these last six months have sort of hoodwinked me into believing that like jokes are dead, that we're not allowed to make jokes anymore.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
23. WCWhitney Cummings
  And c- because Twitter-
24. ALAnnie Lederman
  Right.
25. WCWhitney Cummings
  ... has sort of, you know... We're hallucinating with all the shit we're seeing on Twitter and, and blowing it up to be bigger than, uh, it should be. But like as soon as I saw Tony Hinchcliffe, I through-
26. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
27. WCWhitney Cummings
  I said the most offensive shit possible.
28. ALAnnie Lederman
  Oh my gosh, yes.
29. WCWhitney Cummings
  And everyone exploded and laughed, and I was like, "Ah."
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
7:09 – 9:19
“Trauma bond” as the Comedy Store social contract: sparring, equality, and roasts
1. WCWhitney Cummings
  It's like the ultimate trust fall or something.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes. Yes.
3. WCWhitney Cummings
  Like, I'm gonna say some crazy shit to you, you're not gonna abandon me or judge me.
4. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
5. WCWhitney Cummings
  And we're gonna be... It's like a trauma bond or something.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
7. ALAnnie Lederman
  I've def-Trauma bond. That's my favorite. That's my favorite.
8. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
9. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
10. WCWhitney Cummings
  That's the name of your next special. (laughs)
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  Bond, trauma bond.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  That should be an album.
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  I'm gonna name it. I'm gonna name it Bond: Trauma Bond.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  That totally should be a special, Trauma Bond.
15. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
16. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  That's a great name for a special.
18. ALAnnie Lederman
  But, um, yeah, no, I've said some things to you where you've looked at me like...
19. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
20. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
21. ALAnnie Lederman
  And I'm like, "Are we not friends anymore?" Like-
22. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
23. ALAnnie Lederman
  There's two things I said to you that I'll never forget. And I like... 'Cause I just say things when they come to my head.
24. WCWhitney Cummings
  Yeah, we notice. (laughs)
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  Which, yeah, I know-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  But listen, if I react that way, it's because I have to react that way. It's like, I-
27. ALAnnie Lederman
  Once I was like, "Do you think you have CTA, CTE and, like, you could possibly, like-
28. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
29. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... at one point, like, murder your family?" And you went, do, you went, "Do you think I could?"
30. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
9:19 – 11:19
How Whitney and Annie first met: Roast Battle judging and the “smile more” moment
1. WCWhitney Cummings
  That's where Andy and I met the first time.
2. ALAnnie Lederman
  Mm-hmm. Oh, should we talk about it? (laughs)
3. WCWhitney Cummings
  Our meet cute story?
4. ALAnnie Lederman
  We, yeah-
5. WCWhitney Cummings
  We didn't start off on great terms.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh-oh.
7. ALAnnie Lederman
  It was, it was okay, though. It wasn't that bad. You, you texted me so fast after it, though. I was like, "It's so weird Whitney Cummings just texted me." But, um-
8. WCWhitney Cummings
  You are intimidating. I am gonna say that. There's something very intimidating about you. It's 'cause you're showing your midriff at all times.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
10. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  It doesn't matter. All, all different shapes of muffins, it doesn't matter what genre of-
12. WCWhitney Cummings
  I'm afraid I'm gonna get tetanus from your poops. (laughs)
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, you're, you're confident, that's one thing.
14. ALAnnie Lederman
  It's Asperger's, honestly. (laughs)
15. JRJoe Rogan
  But there's a, there's a fear that you could be mean.
16. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs) Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  So that's what people are scared of, that you're confident but you might be mean. It's like, "Ooh, I gotta tread lightly."
18. WCWhitney Cummings
  She's a beast.
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  I always think the funniest thing is, like, the truth.
20. WCWhitney Cummings
  You also dress... You wear military garb. You dress like a Navy SEAL. (laughs)
21. ALAnnie Lederman
  I do look, like, anti-Semitic, I'm gonna be honest, with these boots.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  What happened to those boots?
23. ALAnnie Lederman
  I, you know, I just was like, "Should I wear-"
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Those were a choice?
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... "sneakers or boots?"
26. WCWhitney Cummings
  Annie's dad didn't love her.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  But you bought those.
28. ALAnnie Lederman
  No, my dad loved me a lot. He just was-
29. WCWhitney Cummings
  Too much?
30. ALAnnie Lederman
  Very mean. No, not that much. (laughs)
11:19 – 15:13
Assistants, trust, and horror stories: from lawsuits to David Spade’s near-murder
1. ALAnnie Lederman
  Well, you said to me... I was saying, I was like, "I'm, when I'm rich, I'm gonna get a chef." And you were like, "Keep your circle small, Annie." You were like, "You don't want a fucking chef."
2. JRJoe Rogan
  You don't even want an assistant.
3. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. When you, when you have an assistant, that means you do too much shit.
5. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Do less shit.
7. WCWhitney Cummings
  That's a good point. And by the time you tell someone to do something, something, you could've just done it yourself.
8. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Look, you can get lucky. I have friends that have, have had assistants that wind up being their best friends, and it's great. They're just a cool person that they met-
10. WCWhitney Cummings
  Yeah, yeah. I kinda have that, yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that needed a job. But I also have friends that got sued by their assistant, and David Spade got tasered and tied up.
12. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs) He got tied.
13. WCWhitney Cummings
  Almost murdered.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Almost murdered by his assistant.
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  I'm sorry to...
16. JRJoe Rogan
  His assistant was trying to kill him.
17. ALAnnie Lederman
  Not funny, but-
18. WCWhitney Cummings
  See, David Spade, David Spade has on his bedroom door a fucking, a latch, like a, like a medieval wooden latch that-
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  And the fucked up part is it's from the, it's from the outside, so when you go in-
20. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
21. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
22. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... you can't leave.
23. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs) Imagine being a girl going in to hook up with David Spade and he's like...
24. ALAnnie Lederman
  He's like...
25. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
26. ALAnnie Lederman
  Ka-chunk.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  "Hey, can I get you something to drink?"
28. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
29. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
30. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs) It's like, damn.
15:13 – 17:13
Movies, faces, and body image: plastic surgery, dysmorphia, and the “golden ratio”
1. JRJoe Rogan
  No Country for Old Men was disappointing-
2. ALAnnie Lederman
  Oh.
3. WCWhitney Cummings
  Yeah.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  ... for a lot of people, 'cause the end, you're like, "Hey, that guy is okay? He gets away?"
5. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  What the fuck?
7. WCWhitney Cummings
  That's a wild movie.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  That's a wild movie.
9. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs) I re-watched a lot of classic movies over the last six months 'cause we haven't been able to do anything. And I re-watched that shit. That shit is insane.
10. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
11. WCWhitney Cummings
  That hair ... The weirdest part, the haircut is the craziest part.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  His haircut's amazing.
13. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
14. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah, it's a distor- ... He is disturbing looking.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  That dude is so good.
16. WCWhitney Cummings
  Wait, is that what I look like right now? (laughs)
17. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
18. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
19. WCWhitney Cummings
  Wait a second.
20. ALAnnie Lederman
  He has your eye bags winning.
21. WCWhitney Cummings
  That's me in 10 years when I go full Joan Rivers.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  What is, what is his name again?
23. WCWhitney Cummings
  Uh, Javier Bardem.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  When I go full Joan Rivers.
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  Oh. I like how you're like, "Javier."
26. JRJoe Rogan
  I remember one time I was at the Brea Improv high as fuck, like way too high.
27. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
28. JRJoe Rogan
  And I'm sitting there just (breathes deeply) breathing heavy and Joan Rivers' show came on the television. And when you see someone with those fillers in their face and the ratio's all off-
29. WCWhitney Cummings
  Oh, yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  ... 'cause it's like ... And then their face isn't moving. I was horrified.
17:13 – 19:06
Bad information, trolls, and why people believe absurd claims (aliens included)
1. JRJoe Rogan
  People say ridiculous shit sometimes and it kinda sorta makes sense, but it doesn't. Like, I remember reading once that the Native Americans, when they first saw, like, uh, Columbus and the, the people in the boats coming-
2. ALAnnie Lederman
  They couldn't see them.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... they didn't, they couldn't see them-
4. WCWhitney Cummings
  Mm-hmm.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... 'cause they didn't know what that was. I'm like, "Get the fuck out of here."
6. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
7. WCWhitney Cummings
  They figured it out, yeah.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  They could look at ... How do you ... Like, then explain UFOs.
9. WCWhitney Cummings
  Right.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  How do people see UFOs? Explain asteroids.
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  I knew this would happen.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  If you've seen an asteroid.
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  I knew we were coming to aliens.
14. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
16. ALAnnie Lederman
  I had a feeling.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  You have to.
18. WCWhitney Cummings
  It didn't take as long as I thought it would, actually. (laughs)
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  We had a bet. Whitney, you owe me $10,000.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
21. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
22. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
23. JRJoe Rogan
  There's no way they didn't see the boats. That's a dumb thing. People are like, "Oh wow, they didn't see the boats."
24. ALAnnie Lederman
  They maybe didn't see boats.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  How the fuck do you know what they saw?
26. ALAnnie Lederman
  There weren't boats. They saw things that look like this thing they're gonna find out is called boats coming towards them.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  But that's 500 years ago.
28. ALAnnie Lederman
  Right.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  How the fuck do you know what they saw?
30. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
19:06 – 21:59
Sobriety, drinking culture, and pandemic experimentation (wine + prescribed ketamine)
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, she had a, like a blackout segment of her life that, like, doesn't count.
2. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Right?
4. ALAnnie Lederman
  I feel like-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  It counts towards you being funny, but doesn't count towards like life progress.
6. ALAnnie Lederman
  I'm five years younger than I am.
7. WCWhitney Cummings
  Okay.
8. ALAnnie Lederman
  Because I just didn't have those years.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
10. ALAnnie Lederman
  But there is foota- you know, luckily-
11. WCWhitney Cummings
  Was it drugs?
12. ALAnnie Lederman
  Just drinking.
13. WCWhitney Cummings
  Oh, got it, got it, got it.
14. ALAnnie Lederman
  I, you know, but just with enough Jaeger, you can really-
15. WCWhitney Cummings
  Have I been with you drunk before? I bet that's wild.
16. ALAnnie Lederman
  Never. No. I quit drinking, uh, right before I started s- right after my first open mic.
17. WCWhitney Cummings
  I bet you're a-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Maniac.
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  Tape Fletcher?
20. WCWhitney Cummings
  ... hot mess.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Maniac.
22. ALAnnie Lederman
  Oh, I was fun. They called me Fun Girl Annie, which I just realized was an insult now.
23. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
24. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  And the guy was like, "Oh." I was like, "That's right, I'm fun," and everyone's like, "Yeah, bitch, you're fun." (laughs)
26. WCWhitney Cummings
  D- did it, like, destroy your life?
27. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah, I would definitely be dead now, I think, if I didn't stop drinking.
28. WCWhitney Cummings
  And what did you drink? Jaeger?
29. ALAnnie Lederman
  I was... I loved Jaeger, I liked whiskey. I liked anything that was, like, kind of like, I would be... either be in a frat or, like, with a grandfather, like it was like very-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Is it harder for clean comics when you're... I mean, clean, meaning not sober when you- you're around- (laughs)
21:59 – 26:24
David Blaine, pain tolerance, and the psychology of misdirection
1. WCWhitney Cummings
  Let's do a bunch of ketamine and stab ourselves like David Blaine.
2. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
3. JRJoe Rogan
  That's got his cooties on it. It went through his arm. I don't even think we cleaned it.
4. WCWhitney Cummings
  Good.
5. ALAnnie Lederman
  Did it really go through his arm?
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, it f- I pushed it through. I pushed it through his arm.
7. WCWhitney Cummings
  And then you made you stop for a second?
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. We... I hit a nerve the first time, then I had to back out and do it again. I didn't want to do it. He wanted-
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  Did the frog live?
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, yeah. The frog's fine.
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  He shit the frog out?
12. JRJoe Rogan
  He o- threw it up in my hand.
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  Do you know that there's a book called Eat That Frog that's like about getting your work done in the morning? (laughs)
14. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  It's just funny. He literally eat the, ate the frog.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, like eat it and just, like, get it over with. Just get it done.
17. ALAnnie Lederman
  Like get the worst part done.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
19. WCWhitney Cummings
  Huh. Annie and I have swallowed way weirder things, I have to be honest.
20. ALAnnie Lederman
  I know. It's really weird.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  It's-
22. ALAnnie Lederman
  We've swallowed a lot, honestly.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  That's not even a sharp ice pick.
24. WCWhitney Cummings
  This is cr- did it make a sound at all?
25. JRJoe Rogan
  No, it just was like puncturing a steak.
26. WCWhitney Cummings
  And it wasn't... You picked the spot that you stabbed?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, he kind of pointed me towards his arm, like, "What area is a better place to go through?" But it was bleeding. I mean, I-
28. ALAnnie Lederman
  Do you think it would taste like elk?
29. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't think so. I think people taste like pigs.
30. ALAnnie Lederman
  Mm.
26:24 – 42:20
Comedy Store as home base: shutdown grief, spit microphones, and the “walled garden” effect
1. WCWhitney Cummings
  Dude, I miss everyone.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  I do too.
3. ALAnnie Lederman
  I know, it sucks, dude.
4. WCWhitney Cummings
  I really... It's weird to think that we saw each other every night.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  I know.
6. WCWhitney Cummings
  I mean, every night for, for 15 years.
7. ALAnnie Lederman
  Mm-hmm.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  And just talking shit, having fun-
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and then, boom, it stops.
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  So weird.
12. WCWhitney Cummings
  It's like a family being broken up.
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  It really is.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't think it should have stopped. I really don't. I don't. You know, I think, uh, people should be able to make their own decisions.
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  Well, I think that there's ways to do it-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Especially now.
17. ALAnnie Lederman
  We could do the weird social distance things, you know, where it's... It could either be outside or it could be, you know, people are far back and spread out and wearing masks.
18. WCWhitney Cummings
  It makes no sense that people are allowed to go outside, have socially distanced meals, but as soon as someone stands up with a microphone and starts talking...
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  It is a spitty job though.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
21. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
22. JRJoe Rogan
  I was watching you-
23. ALAnnie Lederman
  When they changed the lights in the main room, right before everything shut down-
24. WCWhitney Cummings
  Yeah.
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... and the lights were dark, I was watching you from the side.
26. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
27. ALAnnie Lederman
  I've never seen so much spit. I was like...
28. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
29. WCWhitney Cummings
  (laughs)
30. ALAnnie Lederman
  It's like a fucking... What do... It's like when the sprinklers kids jump through. I was like...
42:20 – 42:58
Texts, voice memos, and cancellable receipts: what happens if comedian group chats leak
1. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... when you go, I feel like our text chains, like comedians' text chains, if they ever get out, we're all gonna (laughs) get canceled, but there would be really good coffee tables, books...
2. JRJoe Rogan
  This one time I was like, "We should all delete these."
3. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah. (laughs)
4. JRJoe Rogan
  There was one where we, we got so ridiculous, I'm like, "We should delete these."
5. WCWhitney Cummings
  But you've also gotten too famous. I'm like, "You guys, we can't text Joe certain shit." I feel like-
6. ALAnnie Lederman
  No, I think he's gotten overly famous to the point where we can again.
7. WCWhitney Cummings
  Oh. (laughs)
8. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  He's come back around. Like-
10. WCWhitney Cummings
  He's un-cancelable.
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  He's gone past it. Now it's like, yes.
12. WCWhitney Cummings
  Because there are times where I'll like want to send something. I'm like, "I don't know. Joe's on this chain. Like I feel like he's just too famous for this." I feel like-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  You should see the shit Segura sends me. Jesus Christ.
14. WCWhitney Cummings
  Okay, good. So he'll get...
15. JRJoe Rogan
  I played it yesterday for Nikki Glaser. It's this girl fisting herself.
42:58 – 51:29
Porn, obscenity laws, and pee-on-face debates: from fisting clips to Fear Factor’s donkey cum
1. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
2. JRJoe Rogan
  But in the most preposterous way where you're like, "What?"
3. ALAnnie Lederman
  Well, is there a way that's not preposterous?
4. WCWhitney Cummings
  Uh, yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  No, no, no, this, this is, this is a different thing.
6. WCWhitney Cummings
  Uh, is fisting real?
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, I'll show you.
8. WCWhitney Cummings
  You can put your entire f-
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  But you know what it is? It's this.
10. WCWhitney Cummings
  That's right. That's right.
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  I realized I don't-
12. WCWhitney Cummings
  It's putting all your fingers together. It's not like a...
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Listen to me.
14. WCWhitney Cummings
  It's not a punch.
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  You go in.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Listen.
17. ALAnnie Lederman
  Jamie, you've been fisted. Tell us. (laughs)
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Here you go.
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  Send your reactions for this video. (laughs) Oh. Wait, hold on, hold on.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) Your face. "Hold on, hold on."
21. ALAnnie Lederman
  Oh, my God. It's me. (laughs) Oh, no. This girl just stole your act, Annie. (laughs) Just stole my fisting act.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Preposterous is the right word, right?
23. ALAnnie Lederman
  Well, it's gotta hurt. Why are you punching yourself? She has a bruised cervix. It does kinda look like Christina. (laughs)
24. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't think it is, but, uh...
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  A bruised ass cervix.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh, anything that's fucked up like that, Tom Segura will send it to me.
27. ALAnnie Lederman
  It looks like the opposite of having a baby. I know. (laughs) You guys have the most fucked up shit and I'm like, "I'm so going to jail for this."
28. JRJoe Rogan
  But you're not.
29. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
30. JRJoe Rogan
  I think that's legal. I'm pretty sure that's legal.

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Reuniting at the Comedy Store: the “fix” of being around comics again

From COVID testing to malaria: how diseases linger (and why that’s scary)

Genetically modified mosquitoes, doom headlines, and information overload

Pee tape politics, apologizing, and the comedy logic of “never say sorry”

Kurt Metzger, roast culture, and why offensive jokes land in the room

“Trauma bond” as the Comedy Store social contract: sparring, equality, and roasts

How Whitney and Annie first met: Roast Battle judging and the “smile more” moment

Assistants, trust, and horror stories: from lawsuits to David Spade’s near-murder

Movies, faces, and body image: plastic surgery, dysmorphia, and the “golden ratio”

Bad information, trolls, and why people believe absurd claims (aliens included)

Sobriety, drinking culture, and pandemic experimentation (wine + prescribed ketamine)

David Blaine, pain tolerance, and the psychology of misdirection

Comedy Store as home base: shutdown grief, spit microphones, and the “walled garden” effect

Texts, voice memos, and cancellable receipts: what happens if comedian group chats leak

Porn, obscenity laws, and pee-on-face debates: from fisting clips to Fear Factor’s donkey cum

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