Joe Rogan Experience #1531 - Miley Cyrus

Miley Cyrus 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (heavy guitar music) Hello, Miley Cyrus.

Miley Cyrus 0:14 All right.

Joe Rogan 0:14 How are you?

Miley Cyrus 0:15 I'm good. Joe, how you doing?

Joe Rogan 0:15 Pleasure to meet you.

Miley Cyrus 0:16 You also. I'm happy to be here.

Joe Rogan 0:18 I'm happy to have you here.

Miley Cyrus 0:19 Thank you very much.

Joe Rogan 0:19 You have a fantastic voice. Not just a singing voice, but your talking voice is very unusual. It's like it makes you step back a little bit like, "Oh."

Miley Cyrus 0:27 I've actually ... Uh, recently, I was walking around in Boston, and I went to a museum. And this, like, older man walked up to me, had no idea who I was. He was just enjoying the art also in the museum and started talking to me forever about my voice. And my ... And then there was a college, some sort of trip to the museum, and then everybody started freaking out. And it was so cool just to have someone stop me about my speaking voice 'cause that had never happened to me before. I think it's 'cause I was turned around, and I had the mullet, so I could've been, you know, anybody. I could've been anyone from Tennessee.

Joe Rogan 0:57 It's a heavy voice.

Miley Cyrus 0:59 It's a heavy voice. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:00 You didn't always have a heavy voice though. Like, when ... Uh, my kids love Hannah Montana, by the way.

Miley Cyrus 1:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05 So when I, I would watch, your, your voice was different.

Miley Cyrus 1:09 It's definitely changed. I actually ... I kind of learned a lot about the voice and how our experiences affect our voice. I had a surgery in November on my voice.

Joe Rogan 1:20 Oh.

Miley Cyrus 1:20 I had something called Raikhi's edema, which when my doctor told me about it, he said, "No one shy ever has this. This is for abuse of the voice."

Joe Rogan 1:29 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 1:29 "This is for people that talk way too fucking much." And usually, this happens when you're, like, in your 60s or 70s, a couple other singers.

Joe Rogan 1:35 How do I not have that?

Miley Cyrus 1:37 I don't know. (laughs) I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:38 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 1:38 Mine, I think honestly, really, I, I started touring, you know, at probably 12 or 13, and not only was I ... The adrenaline that you have after a show, it's not really the singing that affects your voice as much. It's afterwards. You're totally on, and then it's really hard to get that sleep. You stay up, talking all night. Later, the talking all night turn into smoking all night, and now this is kinda where we're at.

Joe Rogan 2:01 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 2:02 We got some dirt on her. You know, she ...

Joe Rogan 2:05 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 2:05 The, the voice can be like, like a face. It collects wrinkles, and, and it tells a story. If you look at yourself, and you go, "Oh, I didn't have this until these- this trip. You know, I sat out in the sun," or, "I partied too much," or whatever, and your voice does the same thing. It collects dirt.

Joe Rogan 2:17 It's very distinctive. Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 2:19 Yes. It gives me away, um ... I mean, I'm pretty much one of the only chicks in LA with a mullet.

Joe Rogan 2:24 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 2:24 So that gives me away also.

Joe Rogan 2:26 Well, you're not in the right neighborhood. There's plenty of- plenty of them.

Miley Cyrus 2:28 (laughs) I know. I gotta dry out to the- to the desert, I guess.

Joe Rogan 2:30 Yeah. That's right. Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 2:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:32 Yeah. Go out to Joshua Tree.

Miley Cyrus 2:33 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 2:34 Find the chicks that are tripping.

Miley Cyrus 2:35 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 2:36 Yeah. With handmade tattoos

Narrator 2:37 (overlapping) Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 2:37 I have a couple of those too.

Joe Rogan 2:39 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 2:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:40 But there's something very distinctive about a, a voice you earned, you know?

Miley Cyrus 2:44 It's true. It's kinda like, you know, when you see somebody and, and I- I think, I think especially being, like, a female in the industry, I think growing up and changing and, like, kind of that there is such a kinda stigma with aging. It's a very kinda scary thing as a female in the industry.

Joe Rogan 2:58 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 2:59 And, um, I've thought about it a lot and thought about my voice. I actually had someone when I was doing an interview couple months ago said, you know, "She sounds like she stayed up all night smoking too many darts." And I said, "Well, I fucking have."

Joe Rogan 3:11 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 3:11 Um, and that's just the truth, and if-

Joe Rogan 3:12 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 3:12 ... you know, that was anyone else, you know, it's kinda like you're weathered or you're aged or you've been through it. And, you know, we'll talk about it as we go, but there, there ... Over the last year, I noticed a really big change in my voice, kind of a heaviness to it. And I experienced some heavy things, and so I feel like it is a reflection. It is kind of a, a scar in a sense. Um, but also just by having the surgery was kind of a gift also because I was able to understand my instrument. No one ever explained that to me, you know? I sat in a room with a piano and did scales and shit, but no one taught me about d- how you have longevity, you know?

Joe Rogan 3:46 Right.

Miley Cyrus 3:46 You are in here with athletes all the time, and, and recovery days are the most important days.

Joe Rogan 3:50 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 3:50 Um, I didn't get recovery days.

Joe Rogan 3:52 Right.

Miley Cyrus 3:52 There ... That was not important for someone that was making so much capital for such a big corporation, you know? The off days are-

Joe Rogan 4:00 Mm.

Miley Cyrus 4:00 ... days that, that money's not coming in and, and I, I definitely probably didn't get the training that I needed to say, "Hey, you know what? I don't wanna do this 'til I'm 15. I wanna do (laughs) this 'til I'm 80." And that wasn't always considered. Definitely not complaining. It gave me an amazing launchpad for everything I'm doing now, but I hear it.

Joe Rogan 4:18 But it had to be really odd to be working that much and be a young girl.

Miley Cyrus 4:24 The balance it trained me to have is something that I don't think you are gonna get taught any other way besides jumping in the deep end of the pool and hoping you know how to swim. That's the only way. I ... There was no way I could've prepared for the amount of balance I would have to learn to kinda teeter, because, you know, at one point, again, it, it went from it was school, then it went from, you know, h- how many- how much weed can I actually smoke and still play a teenage superstar on the Disney Channel?

Joe Rogan 4:54 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 4:54 And then, like, and then, like-

Joe Rogan 4:56 Uh, what's the answer to that question?

Miley Cyrus 4:58 Uh, more than you would fucking think.

Joe Rogan 4:59 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 5:00 Um, I remember one time when ... And I don't smoke anymore, and I'm sober. Uh-

Joe Rogan 5:06 How long you been sober for?

Miley Cyrus 5:06 But I, I've been sober since the- pretty much the vocal surgery kinda did it for me, um, because I just learned so much about the effects, which, again, you're just not taught. Um, it's not really the drinking. It's staying up all night. You know, once you have your drink, you end up smoking. And I kinda ... I- I have a ... I've become the face of a lot of things kind of, uh, against my will. I guess, uh, from my opinions, when you're someone in my position, your opinion becomes your identity.

Joe Rogan 5:34 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 5:34 And it also becomes kind of almost like a ... You kinda become this, like, preacher. You become this ... You know, they don't really let you just always have your own opinion, so I've decided to start telling people, "I live my own lifestyle. Alcohol was never my problem." There was other things that I end up, you know ... I like to go up, so I, I now just avoid really drinking 'cause I- I- I like to wake up at 110%. Um, but it's never really been my problem, and I could see myself having a drink of celebration in the future. But I get so fucking hungover now that I'm like, "Why would I celebrate with, like, just feeling like ...... a volcano's erupted in my brain, you know. So, so it's really just a personal preference, but it's definitely not anything that I promote in, I think it's a lifestyle everyone should be... I think everyone should experiment. It's a good time and you learn a lot of things about yourself and the people around you. But now, I'm, I'm watching, I have younger siblings and they're going through that and I don't know how my mom did it with me 'cause it's scary.

Joe Rogan 6:30 Yeah, I don't think... I think if we're gonna acknowledge the fact that all these things exist, cocaine exists, pills exist, marijuana exists, we should teach people how to do it right.

Miley Cyrus 6:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:41 Really, I mean-

Miley Cyrus 6:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:41 ... you're leaving children. It's the same thing with sex, right?

Miley Cyrus 6:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:44 We leave children to their, their, there's, uh, th- the information that they're gonna get is from other kids.

Miley Cyrus 6:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:51 And if you're learning about sex from another 14-year-old or you're learning about coke from a 14-year-old-

Miley Cyrus 6:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:56 ... that's not good.

Miley Cyrus 6:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:57 Like, someone, uh, we, we play this game with children where we try to pretend that, you know, they live in a movie.

Miley Cyrus 7:05 All right. Well, listen to this. This is actually funny you bring this up because I had the idea this week, not that I really have time to do this in the near future, but I would like to at some point in my life. I wanna do my own children's book series of realistic children's stories.

Joe Rogan 7:20 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 7:20 Because I don't like the idea that we teach them that this is sunshine world and everyone walks on a rainbow-

Joe Rogan 7:25 Right.

Miley Cyrus 7:26 ... and everyone's equal. And you need to say, like, "That's not. What are you gonna do about it?"

Joe Rogan 7:29 Right.

Miley Cyrus 7:29 "That's not true. What are you gonna do about it?" And I think there's a way to not terrify children of life, even though I go in and out of periods where I think life is really overwhelmingly terrifying. Um, and that's coming from my position. And my position, I, I tell myself all the time, "If you're not enjoying this life, honey, you got it coming in the next one 'cause I better fucking love this life." It's the best one. Uh, I, I couldn't imagine being in a different body and having a different experience.

Joe Rogan 7:51 It's an awesome life if you do it the right way.

Miley Cyrus 7:53 It's an awesome life. And I also, I didn't hurt myself beyond repair in my experiences. I survived, and I don't even mean heart still beating survival. I mean, I have a lot of people that love me around. I didn't kick all the people that had my best interest at heart out. That's the, that's where you die-

Joe Rogan 8:15 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 8:15 ... is you kick everyone that says-

Joe Rogan 8:16 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 8:17 ... "Hey, are you d- are you okay?" You know, out. "No, uh, of course I'm okay. You don't trust me. Get the fuck out."

Joe Rogan 8:21 Right.

Miley Cyrus 8:22 And so now that I have people that I've had in my life, I feel that I have people in my life that I've known for 15, 20 years, and not many people in my position get to say that. My parents are awesome. My dad's l- loopy as hell, but I ve- love him-

Joe Rogan 8:37 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 8:37 ... so much. Um, he, he has no way of ever hearing this 'cause my dad doesn't have wifi or, uh, anything but a Blackberry, so I can tell you what I got him for his birthday.

Joe Rogan 8:45 Your dad has a Blackberry?

Miley Cyrus 8:45 My dad has two Blackberries, which equal-

Joe Rogan 8:47 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 8:47 ... an iPhone, which is not true, but that's what he says. So for his birthday, he said that he wanted to see if he could go 365 days without eating pizza 'cause he had never done it before.

Joe Rogan 8:56 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 8:56 So my dad has now gone a year without having pizza, and my dad loves bubble baths. He's gonna kill me for saying this, but his country ass loves bubble baths.

Joe Rogan 9:04 That's hilarious.

Miley Cyrus 9:05 And so he loves to smoke his joint, eat his pizza, and get a bubble bath. So he said, "That's what I'm gonna do for my birthday." So for his birthday, I've organized a five-foot pizza to be delivered to his farm, so he can have all he can eat. And I'm the pizza delivery person on the box. I had someone draw it where it's me with-

Joe Rogan 9:20 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 9:20 ... my tongue out and a mullet delivering the pizza. And I got a bathtub on Craigslist, and I put it... My dad has 500 acres, so I put it in the middle of the farm filled with bubble gum, just like my music video. And so my dad's gonna have a bubble gum bathtub and a five-foot pizza for his birthday.

Joe Rogan 9:34 That's adorable.

Miley Cyrus 9:35 That's next week.

Joe Rogan 9:36 That, I like the fact that he has no wifi and no internet. Good for him.

Miley Cyrus 9:39 No wifi, no internet. Every now and then-

Joe Rogan 9:41 It probably feels good that way.

Miley Cyrus 9:41 ... he'll drive to my uncle's house to FaceTime us every now and then.

Joe Rogan 9:44 Oh, wow.

Miley Cyrus 9:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:45 Wow. He has to make a drive to FaceTime.

Miley Cyrus 9:47 You got it. It's not far. All of us are just, like, my dad's kept us a, a, a pebble's throw away, for sure. We all live on property. We all live really close to each other.

Joe Rogan 9:55 So if you did this thing, like, if you really decided to do, uh, children's books, like realistic children's books-

Miley Cyrus 10:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:01 ... like, how would you do that? Would you get a ghost author and sort of come up with the ideas of what you were trying to get across to kids?

Miley Cyrus 10:07 Well-

Joe Rogan 10:08 What, what do you wish somebody told you?

Miley Cyrus 10:11 I like that you mentioned that no one talks to us about drugs. I know this is gonna be controversial to introduce drugs to kids. I think that there's a way, and I'd have to think about it. Um, Wayne Coyne, who's a good friend of mine, and I did the Dead Pets record with him. Flaming Lips have been my favorite band since I was in fifth grade, and he's obviously an amazing artist. And he just had his first child, year and a half years old. He's six. He just had a baby. They're coming to visit me right now. And, um, I would have him do all the illustrations, so it stays in that kind of surrealist world 'cause I think, I think that's what would get the kids to wanna read this book is that-

Joe Rogan 10:43 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 10:43 ... that the illustrations are still surreal. Um, and I like that about children's books, but I do think that we do need to talk about, you know, equality, and I do think there needs to be diversity in children's books. And I think also we just need to talk about the fact... I was actually happy to talk to you today 'cause I didn't get to do therapy today 'cause I would with, be with you, but it's kind of the same thing.

Joe Rogan 11:01 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 11:02 And I was talking to him, and I said, "You know, sometimes it scares me that I'm too tough, and, and I feel like I'm not jaded, and I'm not cold, but I feel too tough." And he goes, "Well, I'm proud of that because life is tough." And it's not to get hard. I-

Joe Rogan 11:14 What do you mean by that? What do you mean by you feel like-

Miley Cyrus 11:16 I-

Joe Rogan 11:16 ... you don't like that you're too tough?

Miley Cyrus 11:18 I'm gonna stop. I feel that s- I worry sometimes that I can get over things easily. I don't fall to the floor and crawl up in a ball the way that I used to, and I think that's a part of me growing up. Like, when, you know, I recently just went through a very public divorce that fucking sucked. What really sucked about it wasn't the fact that me and someone that I loved realized that we don't love each other the way that we used to anymore. That's okay. I can accept that. I can't accept the villainizing and the, um-... just all those stories that, like, it's just amazing to me that the public kinda thinks that there's no gap of time that they didn't see that could possibly be what led to this. Like, it's not, "One day you were happy on the carpet, and the next day you were making out with your friend in Italy. What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 12:08 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 12:08 Well, there was a lot of time in between that, that you didn't see. It didn't go-

Joe Rogan 12:11 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 12:12 I didn't, like... I didn't, you know-

Joe Rogan 12:14 Yeah. But you can't rely on someone else's narrative, right?

Miley Cyrus 12:17 No.

Joe Rogan 12:17 Especially someone who doesn't know you. You really shouldn't even read what people write about you.

Miley Cyrus 12:21 But s-... Well, what's crazy is m- my dad, again... You know, my dad's been a real figure in my life. And, um, my dad, when he got his Grammy nomination, he wore a d-... He went to the Grammys in a John 3:16 shirt, and he-

Joe Rogan 12:31 Hmm.

Miley Cyrus 12:31 ... he didn't get the Grammy. And the next day, the New York Post or someone put, "Even God can't save Billy Ray Cyrus and his career."

Joe Rogan 12:38 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 12:38 And he was sitting next to Johnny Cash. They were going to s- something. I have a Johnny Cash tattoo that was handwritten, uh, to my dad fr- from around that time. And he, he said, "What the hell?" Just like you say to me right now. "You're my Johnny Cash." You know, he said, "What the hell are you doing reading that?"

Joe Rogan 12:54 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 12:54 And my dad said, "I just never really picked u- picked up the paper again." But again, my dad didn't buy that paper. It was just kind of in your face. And-

Joe Rogan 13:01 He should've thought that was funny.

Miley Cyrus 13:03 He, he does now. Now, he just says, "Well, whatever will get Johnny Cash to come and sit next to me and talk to me."

Joe Rogan 13:08 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 13:08 Now, he... Now, he loves it. Um, and it's been really good to have him go before me, you know? It's, it's kinda that buddy system. I think it'd be really scary if I wouldn't have been able to see that, but-

Joe Rogan 13:19 Right.

Miley Cyrus 13:19 ... to your point of I don't click on this shit, you know? It, it comes into my life by-

Joe Rogan 13:25 Other people, right.

Miley Cyrus 13:25 If I walk by a magazine stand, which I like to walk on the street-

Joe Rogan 13:28 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 13:28 ... and it says, like, "Miley's on drugs and pregnant." And then I think, "One of those things are true-"

Joe Rogan 13:35 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 13:35 "... but not the other. Fuck you for lying about me."

Joe Rogan 13:38 Yeah. But that's all they have. I mean, what... When someone's in the public eye and someone's as prominent as you are, you become, uh, a way for them to access money.

Miley Cyrus 13:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:48 That's all you are.

Miley Cyrus 13:49 Clickbait, advertisement-

Joe Rogan 13:50 Yeah, that's it.

Miley Cyrus 13:50 ... and I totally get it. It's that unprogramming of... Also, I think what's interesting, sitting here with you, is that all of this is kind of new. Um, I mean, even just, like, the idea of podcasts. What I used to do when it was, like, promo time for an e- record... Okay. So, I'm 12 years old, and I'm printing physical copies of my album. So, I have to write my fucking music, you know, six months before you actually... So, I just did Dolly's new album for Christmas, and I had to record a Christmas song in July. It was the weirdest thing I've ever done in my life. But when you make physical copies, that's what you do. And you're telling a story from always being behind, especially when it comes to the media. So, now, what I love about this, what I love doing, you know, a show like yours, is, like, we talk about it right now, and people hear it right now, so you're getting the real information.

Joe Rogan 14:39 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 14:40 You're not getting information from, "All right, I-"

Joe Rogan 14:42 Six months ago.

Miley Cyrus 14:42 "... you know, I shot a magazine cover. I did an interview. I was la-la in love with my boyfriend." I mean, that literally happened when I did Vanity Fair. I flew there, like, a week after I had gotten married. By the time the damn thing was on the stands, I was divorced. It was old news.

Joe Rogan 14:54 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 14:54 It was like, "Come on." You know? So, you're really not able to tell your story in real time, and that's what I love about the new way that music is happening and streaming. And I love the idea that, like, I threw up that, um, uh, Flaming Lips record I did on SoundCloud, and it was like, you know, no one had to buy it or-

Joe Rogan 15:09 Right.

Miley Cyrus 15:10 ... I sound 105. But it's very exciting because I really hated always being behind myself. And I think that's what now I can use my art as my kinda... Uh, I guess the way that I can talk to the... The press isn't what bothers me, it's kinda the public, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:28 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 15:28 And, and I, and I got in this habit where when people would meet me... I guess I didn't get in the habit, it just became a thing that happened constantly, was I'd meet someone and they'd go, "Man, you're not as crazy as I thought you'd be."

Joe Rogan 15:39 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 15:39 And I'm like, "Thank you." Uh, "I don't know what you thought I'd be doing right now. If you thought I'd be in, like, you know, space buns dropping acid or something." But people say that to me all the time, that I'm not as crazy as they thought I would be. And that's just a weird thing to say to someone.

Joe Rogan 15:54 Yeah. But the public image, like, what they sold of you... You know, here you are, Hannah Montana, and then all of a sudden, you're this very sexual singer, and you're doing all this crazy stuff, and you're on television shaking your ass, and everybody's seeing that. And they're like, "Oh, Miley Cyrus is out of control now. She's wi-"

Miley Cyrus 16:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:10 So then that becomes the narrative, right?

Miley Cyrus 16:11 It's funny when people make the narrative when you become in control that now you're out of it.

Joe Rogan 16:16 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 16:16 That's what's always really interesting for me.

Joe Rogan 16:18 But it's also youth, right? Like, like, think about the marriage thing, right? You t- Mm-hmm. You say Vanity Fair. They write the article. You're deeply in love. By the time it comes out, you're already divorced.

Miley Cyrus 16:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:27 That's so Hollywood.

Miley Cyrus 16:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:28 I mean, to them, that's like, "Oh, we've seen this fucking story before."

Miley Cyrus 16:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:31 "We know where this going." Oh, also, you're a child star.

Miley Cyrus 16:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:34 "Oh, shit. We've seen this story before." And so you get stuck in that narrative too, right?

Miley Cyrus 16:39 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 16:40 Because they want you to fall down the exact same path. They don't want you to reinvent yourself.

Miley Cyrus 16:44 It's a familiar path.

Joe Rogan 16:45 Yes.

Miley Cyrus 16:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:46 Well, th- then they'll spell it out-

Miley Cyrus 16:47 Familiar story.

Joe Rogan 16:48 ... for you.

Miley Cyrus 16:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:48 "This is what she's doing."

Miley Cyrus 16:49 Now, I've-

Joe Rogan 16:49 "She's on drugs and she's pregnant."

Miley Cyrus 16:50 I've had to con-... I've had to... Now I don't read those types of things, but I've had to unlearn that they're not true. 'Cause sometimes I write thing-

Joe Rogan 17:00 Hmm.

Miley Cyrus 17:00 I write things down when I want something to get put into my head. Even if I'm gonna have a hard conversation with somebody, usually I kinda write a little mini script for myself. So I kinda know where I... I don't like going into something with no direction. Where do I want this to go? What are my goals? What do I want? That's what any of your athletes would do. It's like I, I know that I have that as an artist. I wanna have a long career. I have to do the things to be able to have that, um, longevity. And so I would write down, you know, a kind of a, kind of an idea of where I'd want conversations to go, even with the people in my life, and what do I want out of them? And I had to stop going, "Hey, just 'cause they wrote that down, it's true." Because something about writing it down gives a lot of power.

Joe Rogan 17:41 Hmm.

Miley Cyrus 17:41 I don't like to write down things that I don't mean. That's why I don't write songs that I hate, because once you write it down, they are, like, alive, you know?

Joe Rogan 17:49 So, what you're saying is that, like, reading things that other people wrote about you made you think that those things were real?

Miley Cyrus 17:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:55 So, it, it fucked with your own personal narrative, like your definition of yourself.

Miley Cyrus 17:57 Yes. Sometimes I'd be trying to prove something that I didn't need to prove.

Joe Rogan 18:01 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 18:01 Like, all of a sudden, I'd be trying to prove that I'm not crazy when I knew I wasn't crazy to me.

Joe Rogan 18:07 Right.

Miley Cyrus 18:07 Um...And yeah, I just think also, I mean, when we're talking about realistic children's books, I think the stigma that kind of, uh, surrounds, you know, youth growing up, rebelling and then craziness, and then what's the line between that and- and mental illness. And, you know, I do have some kinda genetic family history of alcohol. I mean, that totally gets erased when you're a celebrity. It's like, "Hollywood did this to you." It's like, no, dude. My great-grandma was an alcoholic, you know? My granddad was an alcoholic. My grandma's an alcoholic. Um, you know, so I- I obviously had... It wasn't Hollywood, you know?

Joe Rogan 18:43 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 18:43 It's genetic.

Joe Rogan 18:44 I think for you, I mean, I- I don't think there's anything wrong with writing a book and writing a- a realistic children's book.

Miley Cyrus 18:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:50 But I think you could do a lot of good by just making little YouTube videos.

Miley Cyrus 18:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:55 Just you make little YouTube videos just talking and explaining, "Hey, this is what I did, and this is where I fucked up."

Miley Cyrus 19:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:01 "And this is why you shouldn't do it this way. These are the drugs you gotta be really careful about."

Miley Cyrus 19:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:05 "These are drugs that are really dangerous." And look, if you wanna have, like, one drink, you wanna have one drink-

Miley Cyrus 19:11 Yeah, if you can.

Joe Rogan 19:11 Like, just have one fucking drink.

Miley Cyrus 19:13 If you can.

Joe Rogan 19:13 If you can.

Miley Cyrus 19:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:14 Yeah. If you wanna, uh, if you wanna smoke weed, take a hit.

Miley Cyrus 19:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:18 Like, don't get crazy.

Miley Cyrus 19:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:19 Like, figure this out. Like, you can have a good experience on marijuana, or you could fuck up your life and have a schizophrenic breakdown-

Miley Cyrus 19:26 And that's one thing that I felt like-

Joe Rogan 19:28 ... and get super paranoid.

Miley Cyrus 19:28 ... you know, when I was smoking weed, like, my mom, all the weed that I don't smoke, she takes care of, both of my parents.

Joe Rogan 19:34 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 19:34 So I have nothing against weed. My whole family's a bunch of stoners. I- I just felt like when you're talking about kinda some of the- the episodes that they can kinda bring on-

Joe Rogan 19:43 They can, yeah.

Miley Cyrus 19:43 ... you know, I maybe have a little some of those kind of tendencies already. Um-

Joe Rogan 19:49 And that's- that's something that people who love marijuana don't like to talk about.

Miley Cyrus 19:53 No.

Joe Rogan 19:53 And I'm pretty adamant about discussing that.

Miley Cyrus 19:55 Yeah, I- I agree.

Joe Rogan 19:55 There- I know people that have lost their fucking mind-

Miley Cyrus 19:58 Me too.

Joe Rogan 19:58 ... particularly on edibles.

Miley Cyrus 19:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:00 I- I know some people that literally became schizophrenic from edibles.

Miley Cyrus 20:03 And I- and I really like looking at, I like looking at facts like that.

Joe Rogan 20:08 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 20:08 And I don't know, you know, I do think that there are... I like, I like information. I'm a real... I love to process new information. Um, I love to receive new information. I love to go-

Joe Rogan 20:21 How do you get your information? Are you a person who reads? Do you watch documentaries?

Miley Cyrus 20:24 I- I read and I, uh, kind of... I was, uh, going on a, I was going on a trip when I was maybe 17 years old, and I was walking through the airport, and I saw a book that said Change Your Brain, Change Your Life by Dr. Daniel Amen, who's now been my therapist for 10 years.

Joe Rogan 20:40 Ah.

Miley Cyrus 20:40 And I couldn't get on this plane. I was having a full anxiety attack with smoking a lot of weed-

Joe Rogan 20:45 How old were you?

Miley Cyrus 20:45 ... with taking a lot of shrooms. I was 17.

Joe Rogan 20:46 17 smoking a lot of weed and taking a lot of shrooms.

Miley Cyrus 20:49 Taking a lot of shrooms. And I started getting a little-

Joe Rogan 20:51 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 20:51 I started getting a little cray-cray, you know, sometimes-

Joe Rogan 20:53 Don't recommend that.

Miley Cyrus 20:54 ... doing some things with, you know, causing some fights with my boyfriend that were unnecessary. They got heightened. Um, I remember one time I wrecked my car into my gate, and I said, "This is all your fault!" I was the one driving the damn car. How is this your fault? I did not have a great idea of reality at that time.

Joe Rogan 21:11 Right.

Miley Cyrus 21:11 So I was going to, I was leaving the country for the first time without my family. I was going to Costa Rica, and I was walking through the airport, and I saw this book Change Your Brain, Change Your Life. I'm like, "I- I wanna change my life." I don't like where this is going, and my brain is actually, I don't like who I'm living with. The person upstairs is, like, annoying the hell out of me. So I got this book, and it got me to get onto the plane. Now, I had a few anxious breakdowns on that when, you know, you, when you go to places like going in the middle of the jungle, you take all those little planes, and all of a sudden you're on a four-wheeler going to wherever you're going.

Joe Rogan 21:39 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 21:39 Every now and then I'd have to stop 'cause I would get so lightheaded and stabbing chest pains and all this. And he said, "Drop weed, first of all. Get rid of the weed, get rid of the psychedelics." And I also cut gluten from my diet from a little bit of a time so I could get an idea of like, what's my body on a natural level? And I started doing, you know, kinda blood work, and I- I did some SPECT scans, which he specializes in, so like actually looking at my brain. 'Cause what I really like about the SPECT scan is, you know, you wouldn't tell me I have a broken arm without freaking looking at it. I could tell you ow, it hurts, blah, blah, blah, but like, you know-

Joe Rogan 22:09 And what is a SPECT scan? Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 22:11 So a SPECT scan, um, we might have to look up exactly what it stands for (laughs) because I don't, I don't remember this. But basically, it's kinda like an X-ray, and it kinda shows you almost like in those thermal-type colors of the activity of your brain.

Joe Rogan 22:23 Here it comes.

Miley Cyrus 22:23 There we go.

Joe Rogan 22:24 Single-photon emission computed tomography.

Miley Cyrus 22:28 Yeah, so I have one of these.

Joe Rogan 22:29 Nuclear medicine study that evaluates blood flow and activity t- in the brain.

Miley Cyrus 22:33 So that's my doctor, Amen Clinics.

Joe Rogan 22:34 Mm.

Miley Cyrus 22:34 That's- that's his, uh, website right there.

Joe Rogan 22:37 Mm.

Miley Cyrus 22:37 And so I- I have a couple of these. Um...

Joe Rogan 22:40 How's your brain look?

Miley Cyrus 22:41 You know what? Surpr- he says... This isn't right. Surprisingly good for the abuse that it's had.

Joe Rogan 22:46 Well, you gotta think about the amount-

Miley Cyrus 22:46 I guess I soared at my throat.

Joe Rogan 22:47 ... but the amount of activity too.

Miley Cyrus 22:47 Exactly, it's the amount of time and what it's all... Okay, so the amount of activity, if we're looking at, like, female and male brains, I mean, they're totally lit up in different spots, you know?

Joe Rogan 22:56 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 22:57 Um, actually, I think he's even worked with some, some athletes of yours. He works a lot of, like, with football players 'cause he says, you know, like, you know, "I'm almost like a football player for the life that I lead. I gotta do everything else right." If you're gonna go and live under this amount of stress, which is pretty abnormal-

Joe Rogan 23:10 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 23:11 ... it's like you're getting hit in the head in an ab- abnormal amount of times, then I gotta do everything else right. So I gotta-

Joe Rogan 23:15 Right.

Miley Cyrus 23:15 ... be pretty diligent about my supplements. I gotta really care about the food that I eat. My mom always says like, "You guys are overthinking it. I've eaten Cheetos every single day..." It's true.

Joe Rogan 23:24 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 23:24 "... for the rest of my life." And I'm like, "Yeah, but you're not like a, you know, you're not a superstar that has to go on stage and do two-hour shows. You know, my heart really needs to be in good condition. I need to be in good condition. I can't..." By the way, my mom has crazy panic attacks. So like-

Joe Rogan 23:37 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 23:37 ... I can't have any of that. My mom has had me slam, like had them slam the brakes on a airplane to take off and made me drive home from Canada to Tennessee. I drove from Tennessee to Canada nine times because of her anxiety.

Joe Rogan 23:48 Oh, Jesus Christ. (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 23:48 I've driven from Nashville to California, like, four times because of her anxiety. So I don't listen to my mom.

Joe Rogan 23:54 Tell her to give up the Cheetos.

Miley Cyrus 23:55 Exactly. My grandma was on a popcorn diet where she took a trash bag-

Joe Rogan 23:59 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 23:59 ... to the movie theater and filled it up with popcorn. And she's like, "Don't I look good?" I'm like, "On the outside, it's fine."

Joe Rogan 24:06 Oh.

Miley Cyrus 24:06 "On the inside, I'm worried." Meanwhile, she's gonna outlive all of us. So sometimes I'll worry about that. But I think I am kinda like an athlete in the way, like, if I'm gonna be doing this kinda abnormal-type lifestyle-

Joe Rogan 24:16 Sure.

Miley Cyrus 24:16 ... then...I have to do everything else right. So my SPECT scan looks pretty good, but I like looking at my brain and knowing, okay, so this isn't looking at me and going, "There's just something wrong with me and I don't know why." I had a head injury when I was, you know, two years old.

Joe Rogan 24:31 What happened?

Miley Cyrus 24:33 Oh, it's bad. My dad had me... This is really bad, but he can't go to jail, I don't think, 'cause it's long enough time away. He had me in a baby backpack and I was on a dirt bike with my dad.

Joe Rogan 24:44 (inhales deeply)

Miley Cyrus 24:44 And he was riding and a tree had fallen and he ducked and I didn't and I hit my head on the tree.

Joe Rogan 24:49 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Miley Cyrus 24:50 It was bad. So that's what's wrong. Everyone's asked me that for years.

Joe Rogan 24:52 Well that, you know, that's a common theme with wild people. Do you know that?

Miley Cyrus 24:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 24:57 Sam Kinison got hit by a car when he was, like, a little kid and, and, and his brother Bill said it completely changed his life.

Miley Cyrus 25:03 We have just different standards.

Joe Rogan 25:04 He was this, like, real com... Same thing with Roseanne Barr. She got hit by a car when she was 15. Before that, she was, like, mild-mannered, b- b- really good at math. After she got hit by a car, she had to spend nine months in a mental institution, couldn't count anymore-

Miley Cyrus 25:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:17 ... and she became this wild lady who, who everybody knows as Roseanne.

Miley Cyrus 25:20 Right. I mean, maybe I, maybe I'm thankful for it. Maybe it, like, I don't know, knocked me into this identity or something.

Joe Rogan 25:26 I think, I think there's something to... I'm not kidding-

Miley Cyrus 25:28 He knows that there's something to that. Dr. Amen, we've talked about this a lot. So when I get really overwhelmed, I also have a tendency that if I know something's stupid, I just gotta try it to know that it's stupid, which is, makes it stupid 'cause I already knew about it. Sometimes I'm like, "Is it better to know it's dumb and do it or to not know it's dumb and do it?"

Joe Rogan 25:43 But don't you think part of that-

Miley Cyrus 25:44 That's the head injury.

Joe Rogan 25:46 Well, maybe. But also, development-

Miley Cyrus 25:49 It's the final home of your brakes. You know?

Joe Rogan 25:50 But just the way you developed as a human being, being that famous at, you know, 12 years old doing stadiums.

Miley Cyrus 25:56 But I do like, I like looking at my brain and going, "Okay, listen, like, someone cut my brakes, right, on my brain." And I have to take all the things, omega... I- I've been, was vegan for a very long time and I've had to introduce fish and omegas into my life because my brain wasn't functioning properly.

Joe Rogan 26:12 Mm.

Miley Cyrus 26:12 Um, and-

Joe Rogan 26:13 Don't tell that to the vegans.

Miley Cyrus 26:14 I know.

Joe Rogan 26:14 They'll come for you.

Miley Cyrus 26:15 That's... They're gonna come for me, but that's okay.

Joe Rogan 26:17 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 26:17 Um, I'm used to people coming for me and it's gonna be-

Joe Rogan 26:19 You need to eat more celery.

Miley Cyrus 26:21 ... that I come out... No, I... Listen, if I, I give home... I have 22 animals on my farm in Nashville. I've got 22 in my house in Calabasas. Like, I'm doing what I need to do for the animals, okay?

Joe Rogan 26:32 Okay. Okay.

Miley Cyrus 26:33 But when it comes to my brain, you're not vegan.

Joe Rogan 26:35 No.

Miley Cyrus 26:35 You can't be vegan d- living this kinda... And not being this quick. But sure you can, some people can. I cannot because it was really giving... I was having a lot of-

Joe Rogan 26:43 What did it do for your brain?

Miley Cyrus 26:44 I feel that I'm much-

Joe Rogan 26:45 Slowed you down?

Miley Cyrus 26:46 Now I'm so much sharper than I was.

Joe Rogan 26:48 Mm.

Miley Cyrus 26:48 And I think that I was, at one point, pretty malnutrition. Like, I remember going to, um, Glastonbury and that was a show that I loved. I loved my performance, but I was running on empty.

Joe Rogan 27:00 Mm.

Miley Cyrus 27:00 Like, I was on, I was on empty.

Joe Rogan 27:03 Were you, were you- Can I ask you, were you doing a vegan diet, like, meticulous?

Miley Cyrus 27:07 The strictest you've ever known.

Joe Rogan 27:07 Were you doing it, but were you doing it intelligently? Like, were you supplementing-

Miley Cyrus 27:11 I did all my supplements.

Joe Rogan 27:12 ... the right way and-

Miley Cyrus 27:12 I do all my protein drinks.

Joe Rogan 27:13 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 27:13 I've watched every bodybuilder's YouTube about how they still-

Joe Rogan 27:17 You can't pay attention to those guys.

Miley Cyrus 27:18 ... train. That's what I'm saying.

Joe Rogan 27:20 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 27:20 All of a sudden I'm like-

Joe Rogan 27:21 Those guys that-

Miley Cyrus 27:22 ... "All I eat is celery and, like, why are my thighs, like, fucking huge?" Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:25 Those vegan bodybuilder guys, they're almost all on steroids.

Miley Cyrus 27:28 It's, it's... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:29 It's, it's fake.

Miley Cyrus 27:29 I'm not on steroids. Um-

Joe Rogan 27:30 But they, I mean, um, and they're, you know, they're different bodies too. S- Some people, I have good friends that are vegan and they, they're fine on it.

Miley Cyrus 27:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:36 My friend, John Joseph, he's been a vegan-

Miley Cyrus 27:38 See, that's-

Joe Rogan 27:38 ... for, like, 30 years. He's fine on it.

Miley Cyrus 27:39 That's why I think Nick Diaz... I always thought-

Joe Rogan 27:41 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 27:41 ... he was a vegetarian.

Joe Rogan 27:41 He's not v- vegetarian. No, he eats fish.

Miley Cyrus 27:43 At one point.

Joe Rogan 27:44 Though he... Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 27:44 Or pescatarian.

Joe Rogan 27:45 He eats fish.

Miley Cyrus 27:45 That seems-

Joe Rogan 27:46 Vegans eat fish.

Miley Cyrus 27:46 ... to be what I like to do.

Joe Rogan 27:47 Yeah. I s-

Miley Cyrus 27:48 That's where I'm at.

Joe Rogan 27:49 There's a lot of people that function really well with that.

Miley Cyrus 27:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:51 But some people f- it's, everybody's different, you know? We all have different ancestors and our ancestors-

Miley Cyrus 27:56 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 27:56 ... come from different parts of the world. And, you know, I don't know if the blood type thing is accurate, but some people really believe that.

Miley Cyrus 28:02 So this is another thing that I like about seeing the brain is I try to eat from my brain type and not my blood type-

Joe Rogan 28:07 Your brain type.

Miley Cyrus 28:07 ... necessarily. My brain type. So my brain type, I really need brakes on my brain 'cause I di-

Joe Rogan 28:13 Brakes.

Miley Cyrus 28:13 I did not have that. Where I s- in my new song it says I can't bite the devil on my tongue. That was, like, a really hard thing for me to learn how to do.

Joe Rogan 28:20 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 28:20 But instead of going, "I'm just totally impulsive and the most reactive person ever," I look and go, "Well, but my dad also slammed my head into a tree when I was two." So, you know, it's maybe if I-

Joe Rogan 28:30 As a dad, that's hard to hear.

Miley Cyrus 28:32 I know.

Joe Rogan 28:32 That scares the shit out of me.

Miley Cyrus 28:33 I've given him a, a award for worst dad ever at one f-

Joe Rogan 28:36 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 28:36 Every time I go, you know, if we're on Hollywood and there's the Best Dad Award, I scratch out best and put worst. Um, but he was also the best because he would allow me to do a lot of other crazy things that were awesome.

Joe Rogan 28:47 Well, it... You're fine. I mean-

Miley Cyrus 28:48 Yeah, I'm fine.

Joe Rogan 28:49 Look, people get injured-

Miley Cyrus 28:49 My dad let me steal chickens from the Malibu barn, that little red barn-

Joe Rogan 28:53 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 28:53 ... when you come down Topanga.

Joe Rogan 28:54 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 28:55 My dad, they were gonna feed these chickens to the snakes and they led us back there and my dad was like, "Listen, I'm Billy Ray Cyrus. I'm gonna totally distract them. You shove as many chickens in the back of the Corvette as you can-"

Joe Rogan 29:05 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 29:05 "... while I'm signing autographs and we're gonna get the hell out of here."

Joe Rogan 29:08 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 29:08 So I did. I went... Me and my brother got all these damn chickens and we shoved them in the back of his car and he was gonna-

Joe Rogan 29:13 The sh- the snakes weren't hungry though.

Miley Cyrus 29:14 He was about to go work for David Lynch. He, well, he was gonna audition for him for Mulholland Drive. And my dad-

Joe Rogan 29:19 Mm.

Miley Cyrus 29:19 ... brought the chickens in the Corvette and he said, "If you're gonna have chickens in the Corvette, like, you're playing the pool guy." You know, that's a-

Joe Rogan 29:24 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 29:24 ... pool guy thing to do. So my dad got the job. But so because he got the job, he had to stay in LA and we had to go back to Tennessee. So he told me and my mom to tell the people on the airplane that they were exotic Himalayan cockatoos. And we did and they let them on the plane and we had them in the purse and we, we, they lived in a bathtub in, like, on Hollywood and Highland-

Joe Rogan 29:44 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 29:44 ... in some hotel for a long time. And then we got home and the f- night we got there, our dogs got in the chicken coop and ate them all.

Joe Rogan 29:51 Mm.

Miley Cyrus 29:51 So they died anyway. But that's the kind of dad my dad is. He sets you up for failure and for disappointment. But I like that about him 'cause he made me tough.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Well, I mean, it's hard to keep dogs out of chicken coops. I had a dog that got in a chicken coop too.

Miley Cyrus 30:01 (sighs) That sucks.

Joe Rogan 30:02 I had, I had a lot of chickens at one point in time and then after the last fire out here-

Miley Cyrus 30:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:06 Uh, my chicken coop, my house stayed okay, but my chicken coop burnt to the ground.

Miley Cyrus 30:10 Damn.

Joe Rogan 30:10 And then we had to put them in a smaller chicken coop and the coyotes got them.

Miley Cyrus 30:13 That's the thing. That's the thing.

Joe Rogan 30:15 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 30:15 You can't blame dad for nature. That's the way that it is.

Joe Rogan 30:17 No, you can't.

Miley Cyrus 30:17 You know?

Joe Rogan 30:18 Dogs will eat chickens.

Miley Cyrus 30:19 Yep. They will.

Joe Rogan 30:20 Give them a chance.

Miley Cyrus 30:21 So will snakes apparently.

Joe Rogan 30:22 Pff. Fuck yeah.

Miley Cyrus 30:23 They got it.

Joe Rogan 30:24 I don't know.

Miley Cyrus 30:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:24 So you, your brain, like, when they do the scan-

Miley Cyrus 30:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:28 ... do they g- do they tell you what you should do to make it better? Like, what do they... Do they look at it and go, "Oh, you're fucked up." (laughs) What, what are they saying?

Miley Cyrus 30:35 No. They, they tell you what you can do to make it better. You know, he works kind of with, uh, you know, I guess a, a lot of, um...... you know, kind of mostly athletes, people that kinda live abnormal lifestyle. And, and so-

Joe Rogan 30:45 Injuries.

Miley Cyrus 30:45 ... injuries.

Joe Rogan 30:45 Head injuries. Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 30:46 Yeah. He just posted a cool picture with Tyson, and he just works with all d- He l- I love seeing the other brains that I'm allowed to see also 'cause it kind of is fun to... I would love, like, a match.com, but, like, where people just put their brain scans. I'd be like, "I like that one."

Joe Rogan 30:58 Oh, this would work.

Miley Cyrus 30:59 That's lighting up the, right where I need it.

Joe Rogan 31:00 Right.

Miley Cyrus 31:01 You know, you got something I don't have.

Joe Rogan 31:02 That would be actually amazing if that's how it worked.

Miley Cyrus 31:04 Right? That's what I'm saying.

Joe Rogan 31:05 'Cause you, you want... Like, personalities are weird. Like, people, sometimes you go, "Well, how..." They just work together.

Miley Cyrus 31:10 Exactly. And I think it has to do with that.

Joe Rogan 31:13 Maybe.

Miley Cyrus 31:13 You know, I'm not really looking now, I guess, for as much as I'm looking for the, the s- I want the soul connection, but I'm more about the brain connection. I'm a very logical... I like to have kinda logic in my life because I used to be kind of owned by emotion in a way. I was very emotional, and that's what I meant by... I think we spun off of what I meant by tough.

Joe Rogan 31:32 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 31:32 So I used to be very emotional, and, um, I used to kind of-

Joe Rogan 31:36 You used to cry about things, and now you get over things.

Miley Cyrus 31:38 And also more, like, I would really kinda just, like... I would just become such a recluse. I have that tendency. My dad, my dad said he's... Everyone's just getting on social distancing, he's been doing it since 1992. Like, my dad's been on social... I said it as soon as we walked in here, you know? I, it made me-

Joe Rogan 31:53 So that was around Achy Breaky Heart time.

Miley Cyrus 31:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 31:56 Right? '92 is-

Miley Cyrus 31:58 Yeah. That was right when I was born.

Joe Rogan 31:59 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 31:59 And that is when it was all crazy, so that also explains, I mean, I think somewhat of my, uh, just who I am, my personality, how I, how I kind of move.

Joe Rogan 32:09 Did your dad talk to you about what the anxiety was like for him when he became famous?

Miley Cyrus 32:14 Well, my dad-

Joe Rogan 32:14 'Cause your dad was a fucking-

Miley Cyrus 32:15 My dad-

Joe Rogan 32:16 For people who don't know, in the ni- early '90s, your dad was a fucking superstar.

Miley Cyrus 32:21 But he had a very different lifestyle than I did as my dad grew up in a house that didn't even have an indoor bathroom. My dad hadn't gone to the dentist until he was 30 years old. My dad had never gone to the dentist.

Joe Rogan 32:30 Wow.

Miley Cyrus 32:30 My dad grew up poor. My, his, my uncle still lives in their same house.

Joe Rogan 32:33 Wow.

Miley Cyrus 32:33 He's got an indoor bathroom now 'cause my dad's a G and put that in.

Joe Rogan 32:37 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 32:37 But he still lives in the same house. And, um, yeah, so my dad grew up in, like, uh, you probably have seen it. It's one of the poorer areas in the country. My dad grew up in Appalachia in Kentucky, so does my mom.

Joe Rogan 32:47 Sure. I know where that is.

Miley Cyrus 32:48 So, um, I've been there a bunch, and I've, I've been able to see where my dad's from. So he had a different relationship to fame because he went from nothing to everything. I went kinda from having, you know, everything, if we look at, really, the way I grew up. Lived in a big house on a big farm. The only thing that was sad about it is we didn't have kinda neighbors or normal kids, uh, around 'cause I lived on this big, kinda isolated farm. But went to school, had this normal life, but, I mean, if we really look at it, I didn't know when I was a kid that I had everything, but I had everything.

Joe Rogan 33:18 Hmm.

Miley Cyrus 33:19 So I went from having it all to having more. And that, I don't know what's harder to kind of, uh, to kind of humanize, I guess, about yourself, because my life is, is, is very unique, and so it's very hard for me to, to sit with someone and relate to them. And I think that made me really scared because, um, my mom doesn't like to be alone. So I have that fear in, in my mind of I don't wanna be alone. But I think what makes you lonely isn't the amount of people that are around, but, like, am I relating to people? Am I really connecting?

Joe Rogan 33:49 Right. Well, you must have a hard time connecting to people-

Miley Cyrus 33:52 I do.

Joe Rogan 33:52 ... because they don't have the same life experience as you. Your reality, it's like you're in a, you're in a fishbowl.

Miley Cyrus 33:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:59 You're in a different reality, and you're hanging out next to people that aren't in the fishbowl.

Miley Cyrus 34:03 Here's the difference of the fishbowl. So we usually put the fish in the fishbowl. And I, you know, I-

Joe Rogan 34:08 You were born in the fishbowl.

Miley Cyrus 34:09 Right, we do it, and I was born into it. But then again, I put myself into it. So if you get a beta-

Joe Rogan 34:15 Well...

Miley Cyrus 34:15 ... you're the one that does it.

Joe Rogan 34:16 You did it when you were a little kid and you didn't know what you were doing, though.

Miley Cyrus 34:19 But my parents didn't really want me to. So my parents, my dad wouldn't even really go with us to the auditions. He was actually kinda mad at my mom about it. That was kind of a thing. And then my mom's like, "I'm gonna do this so, you know, she stays in this small town, she's gonna be like everybody else that just ends up on drugs." So she took me to LA. Mom.

Joe Rogan 34:35 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 34:35 Like, hello. She didn't even smoke weed yet. What, this is-

Joe Rogan 34:38 Oh, that's hilarious.

Miley Cyrus 34:39 That's, that's not the AB that I've ever heard of, like, let's avoid drugs in Nashville, so let's get more and better, a lot better drugs in LA.

Joe Rogan 34:46 But what, what's... We're, we're going way off track. What, what bothers you about being more resilient? 'Cause that's what it sounds like. It does... When you say, "More tough," you're talking about the difference between someone who reacts overly emotional to something, you would fall to the ground and curl up in a ball and cry about things, and now you can get over them. That, to me, is a, a sign of perspective.

Miley Cyrus 35:08 Okay, so here's where it is, and I don't even wanna have a conversation about, like, really, you know, sexism or men versus women-

Joe Rogan 35:14 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 35:14 ... 'cause, like, I love dudes, you know? And I, I actually relate to dudes a lot more. Um, but I think men in my life have told me that I'm cold or I'm a cold fucking bitch because I leave when things are done. I was actually gonna say, you know-

Joe Rogan 35:25 Well, maybe you've been dating bitches.

Miley Cyrus 35:26 I'm really into a lot of freaky things, but I don't fuck dead guys. And when it's over, it's over, and you're dead to me, and we move on.

Joe Rogan 35:32 Wow.

Miley Cyrus 35:32 You know? So that's how I feel about it.

Joe Rogan 35:34 That's heavy. That's heavy.

Miley Cyrus 35:35 And, uh, I'll do a lot of things, but I don't do that. And so I, um, think that that's where I've gotten the idea, which actually I'm glad you just said that to me because I, I get this kind of beaten into the brain from all different angles. My mom's like... You know, everyone else is proud of me for being, like you said, resilient.

Joe Rogan 35:51 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 35:51 And I have a lot of guilt. I'm a very guilty person.

Joe Rogan 35:54 But that sounds like you're talking to guys who want you to feel guilty because-

Miley Cyrus 35:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:58 ... you don't feel emotional about it ending.

Miley Cyrus 36:00 And this is the first time-

Joe Rogan 36:01 People need to learn how to just let shit go if they like you or if they love you.

Miley Cyrus 36:05 If they love you, they have to.

Joe Rogan 36:06 If they love you, they-

Miley Cyrus 36:07 But if they don't have to, that's a hard thing.

Joe Rogan 36:08 ... should want you to be happy. Just let it pass and then be friends.

Miley Cyrus 36:12 Okay, so-

Joe Rogan 36:13 If they can't do that, that's on them. That's not on you-

Miley Cyrus 36:16 That's why I'm looking for an older man-

Joe Rogan 36:18 ... because you're resilient.

Miley Cyrus 36:18 ... because these, like, guys that are... You know, I definitely should be with someone, I think, that-

Joe Rogan 36:22 You gotta find Nick Nolte.

Miley Cyrus 36:23 This is what I'm thinking. (laughs) This is what I'm think, this is what I'm thinking. I don't need a man or a woman that's gonna take care of me. I can take care of me 'cause I've got money, I've got all the things that I need to take care of myself. I need them to be able to take care of them.

Joe Rogan 36:37 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 36:37 Because somehow I keep getting into, to-

Joe Rogan 36:39 Well, you need someone with autonomy.

Miley Cyrus 36:41 Yes.

Joe Rogan 36:42 That's what you need. You need someone who d- d- they don't need your constant approval and affection and attention-

Miley Cyrus 36:47 And now that we're using this word need-

Joe Rogan 36:49 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 36:49 ... I, just for the record, I guess I really don't need to be in a relationship-

Joe Rogan 36:53 You don't need anything.

Miley Cyrus 36:53 ... at all, so that's good-

Joe Rogan 36:54 No.

Miley Cyrus 36:54 ... we got to this point.

Joe Rogan 36:55 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 36:55 See, this is therapy.

Joe Rogan 36:56 Yeah, you don't need it, but-

Miley Cyrus 36:57 No.

Joe Rogan 36:57 ... it's, uh-

Miley Cyrus 36:58 It does sound nice.

Joe Rogan 36:58 The, people can poison you with their ideas of what you should be, and if you don't meet up to their expectations, and oftentimes, their expec- expectations of you are just to reaffirm themselves.

Miley Cyrus 37:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:09 They want you to love them. They want you to tell them how awesome they are, and if you don't feel that way-

Miley Cyrus 37:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:15 ... you're cold.

Miley Cyrus 37:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:16 There's something wrong with you.

Miley Cyrus 37:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:17 Because they don't have autonomy. They can't-

Miley Cyrus 37:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:19 ... exist independently.

Miley Cyrus 37:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:20 That's the problem.

Miley Cyrus 37:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:22 The problem is there's a lot of bitches out there.

Miley Cyrus 37:23 I like it. You said it, not me.

Joe Rogan 37:25 That's what it is.

Miley Cyrus 37:25 That's how I feel, and honestly, we're talking in a very, um, this is a super, like, k- kind of pivotal moment for me right now. I haven't been single in, like, I guess, really, from 2015. I mean, there's been little months, so maybe about five years. Like, I've had, you know, a few months here and there where I've been single, but not for a long period of time. And, you know, something I'm really excited about is, uh, this VMA performance that's coming up, and I love that it's the first time that I'm gonna be on that stage as a single, badass, grown, evolved, secure, um, woman that's done a lot of work. Like, I've done, I've done the work, and that's the thing, is some people say, um, you know, h- like, "How did you, how did you get here? You know, you turned out pretty good." And it's like, "Dude, I f- I worked really hard at it."

Joe Rogan 38:10 Y- but just s- seriously, get it into your head, anytime someone gives you a hard time about being strong, you're not a bad person. Just 'cause you're strong, just 'cause you don't cry as easy as you used to-

Miley Cyrus 38:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:23 ... that's ridiculous.

Miley Cyrus 38:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:24 It's ridiculous.

Miley Cyrus 38:25 I'm learning that.

Joe Rogan 38:25 You should, it's perspective, that's all it is. You're not a bad p- you look at all, all these fucking animals you have.

Miley Cyrus 38:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:30 How can you be a bad person if you love animals that much?

Miley Cyrus 38:31 Dude, I put this stuff called Monkey Butt on my dog's ass-

Joe Rogan 38:34 What is Monkey Butt?

Miley Cyrus 38:34 ... every day, this baby powder for dog butts, 'cause I-

Joe Rogan 38:37 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 38:38 ... I got, uh, this guy, one of my, my-

Joe Rogan 38:41 For your dog?

Miley Cyrus 38:41 ... my friend who sit... Oh, my God, this is a whole other story. My friend who's sitting out there right now tried to immediately, you know, make me happy, 'cause I just went through a breakup and showed me a hot guy on Instagram. And then I started scrolling, and I see him putting this powder on his dog's ass. I'm like, "I don't want him, but I want that stuff for the dog's ass. That looks great."

Joe Rogan 38:55 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 38:55 So I ordered it right away, Monkey Butt. So I have a dog. Her, uh, she can't see. She can't hear. She can barely walk, 'cause she was dropped at a fire station. She was overbred. She's a bulldog, you know, and they bred them-

Joe Rogan 39:04 Oh, yeah.

Miley Cyrus 39:04 ... breed them crazy. And she, uh, can barely get off the floor, she's so overweight, and her name is Kate Moss.

Joe Rogan 39:11 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 39:11 And what I love about it is I tell everybody when I'm coming to set, you know, "I'm gonna bring Kate Moss, make sure she's good. She's COVID tested. We're all good." And then all the men on set's face are the best, 'cause it's like, "I thought Miley Cyrus was bringing Kate Moss. It's gonna be the best day of my life," and then she comes in with her big ass, literally, that I have baby powder. She has diapers, 'cause I t- I put-

Joe Rogan 39:33 Wow.

Miley Cyrus 39:33 ... diapers on her for when she comes to set, 'cause her butt is, like, atrocious.

Joe Rogan 39:36 Do you just need to get her on a diet?

Miley Cyrus 39:38 I have her on a diet. Honestly, I'll show you some pictures when we're done with this, because she had this thing called a cherry eye, and everyone... She had 'em in both eyes, so they were trying to get me to, like, either remove her eye or do all this surgery, whatever.

Joe Rogan 39:47 Oh, Jesus.

Miley Cyrus 39:48 I'm like, "Let me do this the old-fashioned way." So every day I get up. I clean her eyes. See, I'm not a bad person. I clean her eyes. I put four drops in two times a day, give her three tablets. She's lost probably 10 pounds already, and the cherries are completely out of her eyes. She is healed. And what I love about her, and I'll show you these videos, is, uh, she does, she can sing. That's what really-

Joe Rogan 40:08 Mmm.

Miley Cyrus 40:08 ... locked her in. So sh- I've never known this to be a d- to, for a dog to do this. When I do scales and I warm up for my shows, she howls and sings with me, and she's got-

Joe Rogan 40:16 Oh.

Miley Cyrus 40:16 ... perfect pitch.

Joe Rogan 40:17 That's cool.

Miley Cyrus 40:18 So I haven't even adopted her yet. I was fostering her, and I was gonna take her to set hoping, you know, somebody's kids wanted a dog and they would want her, and the first thing that someone said is, "A face only a mother can love." And I was like, "That's not true. I love her." Um, and so I love her 'cause she started singing to me, and then I, I adopted her right then. She's so ugly that they waived the adoption fee. They said-

Joe Rogan 40:37 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 40:37 ... like, I, that's not a lie. They, literally, she was free, and I, I now have to remind myself, they say the best things in life are free, and when I look at her and her big ass-

Joe Rogan 40:44 That's hilarious.

Miley Cyrus 40:44 ... I know it's true.

Joe Rogan 40:45 She's so ugly, she's free.

Miley Cyrus 40:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:47 I had a friend who had wolves. He had wolf dogs, and you could, you could b- like, sing in his house, and the wolves would start howling. He would go, "Yahoo!"

Miley Cyrus 40:53 My dogs-

Joe Rogan 40:55 And they would go, "Rooo."

Miley Cyrus 40:56 See, my dogs, my dogs do that with the ambulance here.

Joe Rogan 40:58 Oh, yeah.

Miley Cyrus 40:59 If you're, uh-

Joe Rogan 40:59 Coyotes do that.

Miley Cyrus 41:00 Yes, the, also, they start going, then my dogs start going.

Joe Rogan 41:02 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 41:02 So all the dogs sing, but they ne- none of them do it to scale like Kate Moss.

Joe Rogan 41:05 Mm-hmm. (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 41:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:07 That's adorable.

Miley Cyrus 41:08 Oh, yeah. She's good.

Joe Rogan 41:10 So yeah, don't let anybody tell you that there's, uh, something wrong with being resilient. Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 41:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:14 That, but people will do that.

Miley Cyrus 41:15 I'm learning that.

Joe Rogan 41:16 Men will do that. I see a lot of men do that with women. They want women to feel bad. They want them to feel bad for, for not being emotional wrecks.

Miley Cyrus 41:22 And I used to get small. That's what I'm telling you.

Joe Rogan 41:24 Yeah. They fuck with you.

Miley Cyrus 41:24 See, that's what I, uh, it used to be really easy to kind of put me back in the, you know, kind of Jack-in-the-box kind of thing, you know? You could-

Joe Rogan 41:30 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 41:30 ... get me to come out and just for a little while, but it's, it's, it's become suspiciously convenient timing. It always seems that I get told that I'm a cold bitch before I'm about to-

Joe Rogan 41:42 Right when you're done. (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 41:43 Right when I'm, right when I'm ready to put out fucking music.

Joe Rogan 41:45 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 41:46 It happens every time.

Joe Rogan 41:46 Oh, because you're focused on other things other than the man.

Miley Cyrus 41:48 Focused on other things, exactly. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:50 Again, you're dating bitches.

Miley Cyrus 41:51 And then it's like, you know, and then I, it's just, it's all... It's a whole thing. It's all-

Joe Rogan 41:55 Do you, you have so much energy, like the way you talk and all the sentences run on into the next.

Miley Cyrus 42:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:00 Do you exercise?

Miley Cyrus 42:01 Yes, I exercise.

Joe Rogan 42:02 W- what do you do?

Miley Cyrus 42:03 I love Pilates, and, uh, it's not super, I guess, cardio.

Joe Rogan 42:07 I think you need to do something aggro.

Miley Cyrus 42:08 I need to run a little bit more. I-

Joe Rogan 42:10 You need to do something aggro.

Miley Cyrus 42:10 I got a bag being put in my house right now, so I'm gonna, next time I'm here, I'll show you. I'll be able to-

Joe Rogan 42:15 Okay, but-

Miley Cyrus 42:15 ... beat the shit out of it.

Joe Rogan 42:15 ... protect your hands. Like, if you, if you do-

Miley Cyrus 42:17 Oh, yeah. These nails come off. I just have them taped on.

Joe Rogan 42:19 Okay. Okay.

Miley Cyrus 42:20 This is Dolly style. Everything about me is taped on, honey.

Joe Rogan 42:22 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 42:23 Uh, it's an easy-

Joe Rogan 42:24 Dolly style.

Miley Cyrus 42:24 ... at night, you just go and I like, "Ah." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:27 But I know-

Miley Cyrus 42:27 It's all just tape.

Joe Rogan 42:28 ... people that have-

Miley Cyrus 42:29 It's an illusion.

Joe Rogan 42:29 ... that play guitar and, and do-

Miley Cyrus 42:31 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:31 ... musical instruments and they hurt their hands punching things.

Miley Cyrus 42:33 I actually had a, uh, I had a guy f-... told me that I had grubby little kid hands. And I liked that about it because I did have dirt. And that was because this was at a time where I was doing drugs, and I wanted to know where the hell the gophers go.

Joe Rogan 42:45 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 42:45 So, there was a gopher hole in my backyard. And I'm like, "Where do they keep going?"

Joe Rogan 42:49 Ugh.

Miley Cyrus 42:49 I see them pop up, and they go in. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 42:51 So you're digging them out?

Miley Cyrus 42:51 ... if you can dig to China, you can dig and fucking find a gopher, so here I go.

Joe Rogan 42:55 You can't really dig to China.

Miley Cyrus 42:56 I know that much, and you can't find the gophers either.

Joe Rogan 42:59 You can. Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 43:00 They, they, I couldn't-

Joe Rogan 43:00 My gardener knows how to get them.

Miley Cyrus 43:01 I could not find the gophers, and I looked for a very long time.

Joe Rogan 43:04 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 43:04 I even tried to get them out with pizza. I brought pizza down into the hole, hoping that... You know, everybody loves pizza. Apparently not gophers.

Joe Rogan 43:12 You rarely see gophers, but you see their holes all the time.

Miley Cyrus 43:14 That's what I'm telling you. That's where I was trying to go.

Joe Rogan 43:17 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 43:17 That's it. You know when someone tells you that they've been enlightened-

Joe Rogan 43:20 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 43:20 ... they saw Jesus and, you know, whatever? I wanted to see... I don't even wanna see Jesus. I just wanna see a damn gopher. So I went into the hole, and I never saw a gopher. So, I'll-

Joe Rogan 43:29 I wanna see a wolverine.

Miley Cyrus 43:30 I'll die disappointed.

Joe Rogan 43:31 If there's one animal I could see in, in the wild, I'd like to see a wolverine.

Miley Cyrus 43:34 See, you're like... That's, that's next level. I just want a freaking regular, degular gopher in the backyard of Studio City.

Joe Rogan 43:42 I've seen gophers. You rarely see them, but I've seen them.

Miley Cyrus 43:44 I know.

Joe Rogan 43:44 But I, I think that-

Miley Cyrus 43:45 Wolverines are dope.

Joe Rogan 43:46 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 43:46 Super cool.

Joe Rogan 43:47 Well, I just think seeing one of them fuckers, and the r- that's rare. It's rare to see one of those things in the wild.

Miley Cyrus 43:52 Yeah. Yeah. My dad, uh, my dad wanted to see a bear for 30 years. He had this dream. I, this is so... Half the time, I don't know if he's lying or if he's, what the hell is going on. But we're on this plane, and he's s- so excited. He's like, "I'm gonna see." He, my dad's a little kind of intuitive that way, and he's like, "I'm gonna finally do it. I've been looking for 30 years. And when you look hard enough and, and you're diligent about what you want, you know, I believe that you get it through diligence. And I've been looking for bears for 30 years, whatever."

Joe Rogan 44:17 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 44:17 And so he brought catnip to he- so he could get the bear to come out. I'm like, "What the, what's the deal?" So, of course, my dad ends up going on some hike, and he sees a bear. And he leaves the catnip for it as a treat. He ends up leaving. And now I was so scared. You know catnip gets the cats hype?

Joe Rogan 44:33 Right. Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 44:33 Like, it's like crack for... I'm like, "Please don't give crack to the bear."

Joe Rogan 44:36 That's wild. I don't think it works that way.

Miley Cyrus 44:37 I was, I was just, I hoped to God that... I don't know if, how would you know? Has anyone ever given catnip to a bear?

Joe Rogan 44:42 I'm sure someone's done it.

Miley Cyrus 44:42 That's very niche.

Joe Rogan 44:43 But-

Miley Cyrus 44:43 I'm pretty sure one person's done it, and their belly hurts after that.

Joe Rogan 44:45 Catnip doesn't work on dogs, so why would it work on bears?

Miley Cyrus 44:48 I don't know. Dogs aren't bears. I don't know. I-

Joe Rogan 44:50 They seem to be like more-

Miley Cyrus 44:51 Closer to dogs.

Joe Rogan 44:52 ... dog-like than cat-like.

Miley Cyrus 44:54 Well, no bears ended up going ham and doing anything crazy, but-

Joe Rogan 44:57 Where did your dad see a bear?

Miley Cyrus 44:59 He was somewhere on the East Coast doing a show.

Joe Rogan 45:02 There's plenty of places to see bears. You don't have to wait 30 years.

Miley Cyrus 45:05 My dad probably-

Joe Rogan 45:06 Just gotta go to the right spot.

Miley Cyrus 45:06 ... is lazy as hell and probably said, "I looked everywhere."

Joe Rogan 45:08 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 45:08 Probably opened his front fucking door, a bear wasn't standing there, and went back inside.

Joe Rogan 45:12 Well, that's what people think when they, when they're worried.

Miley Cyrus 45:14 And turned on nothing else.

Joe Rogan 45:14 "There's no bears left. Go outside, look. Well, just go to the right place."

Miley Cyrus 45:17 I've seen bears. I went-

Joe Rogan 45:18 There's plenty of bears.

Miley Cyrus 45:18 I w- I spent, uh, a little bit of time in Vancouver, BC with my brother.

Joe Rogan 45:22 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 45:22 This is actually one of the crazier things I've ever done. People think I'm so crazy, but this is the craziest thing. But it's not even that nuts. I, uh, I was following, like, NatGeo on Instagram, and I love the pictures of the spirit bears. I love those, like, beautiful bears up in BC. And, uh, I kinda started reading about the wolf cull up there, and I got really kind of invested in these animals. And I sent a DM and said, "Is there any way that some point I could go with maybe some of your researchers, and I could see some of these bears or wolves for myself? Because I think I'd be even more inspired to kind of like fight for them if I could actually see them and know that they're really real 'cause I've only ever seen them from a picture." And they responded and said, "Sure. You can come up and hang with the spirit bears." This is kinda like... I don't know if it's catfishing or I don't know what was really going on, but someone's telling me, "Sure." So me and my brother load up, we, uh, b- I didn't really wanna get my parents involved, so we got a coach flight and had to go through San Francisco. Then we got this shitty little hotel room 'cause we were just trying to f- how d- I didn't know how to do it. I've, everyone's always done my travel for me, managers and all these things, so I was just booking it. So we end up taking, like, two little planes, three boats, and we end up getting to, um, with this dude, Ian, who shoots in, uh, for NatGeo and shoots up in BC, and it was just amazing. And, and when I got to see all the spirit bears, um, I got to go into, like, where they do all their research on their boat. So they'll leave these, like, uh, kinda like trap combs where they- it just brushes the bear's hair when it, when it walks by-

Joe Rogan 46:40 Okay, yeah.

Miley Cyrus 46:40 ... so they can understand kind of more about it and-

Joe Rogan 46:42 DNA tests.

Miley Cyrus 46:43 Yeah. Started looking about-

Joe Rogan 46:44 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 46:44 ... like, all this information. Again, this is one of the kinda weirder things that I've done that I, I, I didn't really know who was gonna be waiting on that boat. I mean, I know we tell girls not to go out into the middle of a boat and-

Joe Rogan 46:54 How old were you when you were doing this?

Miley Cyrus 46:56 This was, uh, two weeks after the VMAs in 2015.

Joe Rogan 47:00 So you're already super famous, and you're-

Miley Cyrus 47:01 I was super famous.

Joe Rogan 47:02 ... going out there to find bears.

Miley Cyrus 47:04 With my brother.

Joe Rogan 47:05 There you are.

Miley Cyrus 47:05 There I am. Yeah, there I am.

Joe Rogan 47:07 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 47:07 Yeah. And that's my-

Joe Rogan 47:09 Do you find that if you're not-

Miley Cyrus 47:10 ... that's my brother.

Joe Rogan 47:10 ... glammed up-

Miley Cyrus 47:11 (laughs) There I am.

Joe Rogan 47:11 ... like you, that you can kind of sneak around?

Miley Cyrus 47:13 Oh, this is kinda funny because they're, they're, uh, I think it's happening in a second. They gave me a caterpillar that if you lick its belly, your tongue goes numb.

Joe Rogan 47:20 Oh, great.

Miley Cyrus 47:20 And I pretended that I was... It might happen somewhere in here. Oh, yeah, save the BC wolves.

Joe Rogan 47:25 But if, like, you don't wear makeup and shit, can you sneak around?

Miley Cyrus 47:28 Um, yeah, I sneak around pretty good. It's the voice.

Joe Rogan 47:31 Right. Now in particular, right?

Miley Cyrus 47:31 It's not the makeup. I just have to shut up. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:33 Right.

Miley Cyrus 47:33 It's the voice which doesn't have as much.

Joe Rogan 47:34 Can you fuck with your voice and make it high? Can you pretend?

Miley Cyrus 47:37 Not really. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:39 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 47:39 Not really. Uh, I have a phone voice I think. I, I, apparently, you know, I directed this last video, and apparently when I read my presentations, I have like a different voice. You know, like when you answer the phone?

Joe Rogan 47:49 Uh-huh.

Miley Cyrus 47:49 But I think it sounds the same.

Joe Rogan 47:51 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 47:51 My, my phone voice I think is like... I think it just sounds the same.

Joe Rogan 47:55 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 47:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:56 So that's what gets you?

Miley Cyrus 47:57 That's what gets me every time.

Joe Rogan 47:58 That people know. Yeah, they're like, "Wait, what the... Listen to her talk."

Miley Cyrus 48:00 But the voice.

Joe Rogan 48:01 "I'm telling you it's her."

Miley Cyrus 48:02 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 48:03 "I'm telling you ............................"

Miley Cyrus 48:04 That's the worst when you hear those whispers.

Joe Rogan 48:06 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 48:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:07 Those are weird whispers, right?

Miley Cyrus 48:08 Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 48:09 Your life of growing up famous is... That, that doesn't end well for most people. You're remarkably together-

Miley Cyrus 48:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:18 ... for someone who grew up famous.

Miley Cyrus 48:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:21 You know, that's a, it's a weird way, it's a weird alchemy-

Miley Cyrus 48:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:24 ... to, to put together a human being where in your developmental stages, preteen in fact-

Miley Cyrus 48:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:30 ... you're hugely famous.

Miley Cyrus 48:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:32 What did, uh, what do you think that did for you?

Miley Cyrus 48:36 What did it do for me?

Joe Rogan 48:37 Do, do you think that's a good thing or do you think it's, it's a manageable thing?

Miley Cyrus 48:41 I would say it isn't recommended because like I kinda said in the beginning of this, it's, it's like jumping in the deep end of the pool and not knowing if you can swim or not. And it can go one way or the other. Luckily, I swam.

Joe Rogan 48:52 But it almost always goes the wrong way.

Miley Cyrus 48:54 Yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 48:55 Almost always.

Miley Cyrus 48:55 And that, I don't think comes very recommended. And I, I wouldn't recommend it. Um, I don't know-

Joe Rogan 49:01 Well, be-

Miley Cyrus 49:01 ... I don't know what it is, but I feel, uh, I feel like I've kind of been given this, like, special, I don't know, kind of special understanding of ... I don't even know where it comes from 'cause I'm really not religious. And, and I, I... Maybe it comes from, like, education of getting a good understanding of, you know, I've got kind of a good idea of, like, what fame does on kind of like, if, if we're looking at it from a level of-

Joe Rogan 49:25 Were you thinking about this when you were young?

Miley Cyrus 49:27 I wasn't thinking about this when I was young, but I started thinking about it, uh, at the time where I think it kind of mattered that I could go one way or the other. And that was probably when I was 17 and I bought Dr. Amen's book, about understanding, like, kind of, I, I get it, why I can't get high enough, like, on drugs and-

Joe Rogan 49:42 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 49:42 ... why I end up ch- doing more drugs than anybody else. I wrote a song where one of the lines says, "I'll go toe to toe like I'm Ali." Like, I'll just, I'll do more than could be the biggest guy in the room and I'll say, "I'll be able to do more drugs than you." But it's because my level of what high is, is s-... I've felt it from s-... I mean, when you're having 15,000 people scream your name and sing along to your songs, it's like, you know how you're saying your float tank is getting high without drugs? It's like that-

Joe Rogan 50:04 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 50:04 ... but times a billion.

Joe Rogan 50:05 No, I'm sure.

Miley Cyrus 50:06 Uh, so it's really hard to, to come down off that. And, uh, I never luckily had a problem with, like, taking downers to bring myself down. But there was a lot of people, uh, around me that was like, "You know, just take half of these and you'll be fine."

Joe Rogan 50:17 Hmm. Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 50:18 You know, so I, I'm lucky I didn't start messing with downers.

Joe Rogan 50:20 I think it also might have to do with your head injury.

Miley Cyrus 50:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:23 Yeah. I think-

Miley Cyrus 50:23 I know that.

Joe Rogan 50:24 There's, there's a real big connection between people with traumatic brain injury and the, the need for either alcohol or cocaine or, or-

Miley Cyrus 50:32 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 50:32 ... something to perturb your, uh, your natural state of consciousness.

Miley Cyrus 50:36 And a lot of my brain is really, really on. Uh, it's got, like, overactivity.

Joe Rogan 50:41 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 50:41 But then again, if you kind of look at the part, that frontal lobe that kind of tells you, you know, yes or no or stops you from making a bad choice, mine gets a little sleepy sometimes when I'm not doing, especially when it comes to the diet. When my diet isn't, you know... It's a, it's, it's annoying 'cause I do like to... Well, and I'm country, so I like to eat bad food. I, I had never... My mom used to get mad if I would tell her I don't want butter. Like, my mom is like-

Joe Rogan 51:04 Thought it was great for you.

Miley Cyrus 51:04 Yeah. Now I'm fine and, but I just remember growing up, my, my mom, you know, we, we ate frozen waffles and all that.

Joe Rogan 51:12 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 51:12 We don't know anything about nutrition. I-

Joe Rogan 51:14 Right.

Miley Cyrus 51:14 ... I grew up on that country diet. And so I learned a lot. I honestly, I mark a lot of, um, my, I guess kind of, like, my grounding and the weight that I have to my diet, to my supplementing, to my, my maintenance, to the diligence, to the sport that being an entertainer is.

Joe Rogan 51:32 It is a sport.

Miley Cyrus 51:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:34 Yeah. T-

Miley Cyrus 51:34 It is.

Joe Rogan 51:34 A- are you the boss?

Miley Cyrus 51:36 Yes, I'm the boss.

Joe Rogan 51:36 You're the boss.

Miley Cyrus 51:37 I'm the boss.

Joe Rogan 51:38 Do you have a mentor? Do you have someone that you can consult with when shit is weird?

Miley Cyrus 51:42 I send faxes back and forth to Dolly Parton 'cause that's how she communicates.

Joe Rogan 51:46 Oh, shit.

Miley Cyrus 51:47 That's how we communicate.

Joe Rogan 51:47 Well listen, that, if you need a mentor, that's the mentor.

Miley Cyrus 51:50 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 51:50 And that's a woman who's done it.

Miley Cyrus 51:51 And I kind of tr-... I, I try to kind of, you know, my life moves so fast, um, I try to kind of send her a little kind of rundown of what's going on every other month.

Joe Rogan 52:01 By fax? You guys fax each other?

Miley Cyrus 52:01 She faxes me, then I send an email, and they fax to her.

Joe Rogan 52:04 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 52:05 Um, they email the fax to me.

Joe Rogan 52:07 Something amazing about that.

Miley Cyrus 52:08 Yeah, it is. She, uh, yeah, she, she records everything on the cassette and all that, but, so she-

Joe Rogan 52:12 She records it on a cassette?

Miley Cyrus 52:14 And so she's, she... I have actually, um, a recording of her saying it. It's somewhere. It's in the beginning of Rainbow Land or at the end of it, but she says-

Joe Rogan 52:21 Oh, I listened to that.

Miley Cyrus 52:22 And she goes, "All right."

Joe Rogan 52:23 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 52:23 "I'm gonna put this on my cassette."

Joe Rogan 52:24 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 52:24 "Then I'm gonna run it down onto a CD. Oh, I'm so high tech." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:28 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 52:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:29 We played Jolene, your, your cover of Jolene on this podcast once.

Miley Cyrus 52:33 Thank you very much.

Joe Rogan 52:34 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 52:34 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 52:35 Now, when, uh-

Miley Cyrus 52:35 A lot of kids kind of think that's my song now. That's what I like doing about covers.

Joe Rogan 52:39 Oh, that's fun, right?

Miley Cyrus 52:39 I, I think you were talking about, uh, that Cornell tribute at one point also.

Joe Rogan 52:42 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 52:43 And that's what I love. My fans, you know, they, they, they wouldn't really know unless-

Joe Rogan 52:47 Love that music, right.

Miley Cyrus 52:47 ... I introduced it to them. And that's something that I really love. And that happened recently with Midnight Sky and Stevie Nicks. Uh, there's a sample of Edge of Seventeen, which I got, I got blessed by her to be able to allow me to do it. I had another melody, uh, a B melody. It's definitely below a B 'cause it's not Edge of Seventeen, which is my top five favorite song ever. And she said, "You can borrow from me anytime," which, like-

Joe Rogan 53:10 That's awesome.

Miley Cyrus 53:10 ... so cool. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:12 Yeah, that's gotta be-

Miley Cyrus 53:13 She's a mentor.

Joe Rogan 53:13 ... pretty badass to be able to be in contact and, and to collaborate with all these-

Miley Cyrus 53:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:18 ... amazing artists that you have famed.

Miley Cyrus 53:19 And I went on the road with Joan Jett for a little while too.

Joe Rogan 53:22 Oh, wow.

Miley Cyrus 53:22 When she was on, on tour with The Who, uh, I went and hung out with her for a little bi- for a little while.

Joe Rogan 53:26 That's amazing.

Miley Cyrus 53:27 And, you know, even if I'd show up there and I'd maybe been partying too much and she would yell at her manager Kenny, who's, you know, been her manager and in her band from the beginning, "Kenny, we gotta get her, like, some Mexican food or something. Look at her, like she's, she's, like-"

Joe Rogan 53:39 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 53:40 "... she's gonna break in half." And, you know-

Joe Rogan 53:42 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 53:42 ... All of a sudden all this food starts showing up at my room. And, you know, I think she's probably seen, you know, not just in her own band, but-

Joe Rogan 53:48 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 53:48 ... you know, um... She's seen everything.

Joe Rogan 53:50 I think everything.

Miley Cyrus 53:50 I think she's seen everything.

Joe Rogan 53:51 She's seen everything.

Miley Cyrus 53:51 And I think she's seen it go the wrong way, you know-

Joe Rogan 53:53 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 53:53 ... how we're talking about whether you swim or drown. I think-

Joe Rogan 53:55 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 53:55 ... she's seen a lot more people drown. And so she always tries to feed me.

Joe Rogan 53:58 But that's where it's gotta be really hard if you're a woman like her, who's been there, done that, and then you see some young girl coming up and you're like, "Damn, this, this lady right now is in the waves."

Miley Cyrus 54:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:07 And, and, you know, and you've been in the waves-

Miley Cyrus 54:09 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:09 ... many times where that ship is rocking back and forth and you don't know which way it's gonna go.

Miley Cyrus 54:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:14 When you're a 17-year-old kid and you're doing a lot of mushrooms and smoking a lot of pot-

Miley Cyrus 54:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:18 ... and y- and also you're super fucking famous and really people can't tell you shit.

Miley Cyrus 54:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:22 Which is part of the problem.

Miley Cyrus 54:24 I know. That's why my mom's the best. I, I didn't understand she was the best at the time. She'd still take my cellphone.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 54:29 I'm like, "How can you take it? I'm paying for it." And she's like-

Joe Rogan 54:31 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 54:31 ... "I gave you life, shut up."

Joe Rogan 54:33 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 54:33 Um, you know, and-

Joe Rogan 54:35 But this-

Miley Cyrus 54:35 Yeah, my mom still took my cellphone until I was almost 20.

Joe Rogan 54:38 You have, like, an almost manic way of talking.

Miley Cyrus 54:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:41 Your, your way of talking is almost like a fountain, like a crazy fountain.

Miley Cyrus 54:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:46 Like, words just keep coming and, and ideas just keep coming.

Miley Cyrus 54:49 I know.

Joe Rogan 54:49 Like, how do you, how do you shut that off?

Miley Cyrus 54:52 Uh, I am into a lot of these... I- I love the idea of these hypnosis apps. I have a lot of those on my phone.

Joe Rogan 54:57 Which ones do you use?

Miley Cyrus 54:58 I like, uh, I like Amen Clinics, so I'm all about my boy, Dr. Amen.

Joe Rogan 55:02 Okay.

Miley Cyrus 55:02 Um, I listen to Headspace a lot-

Joe Rogan 55:05 Mm, good stuff.

Miley Cyrus 55:05 ... and I like Calm. I use that-

Joe Rogan 55:07 Great.

Miley Cyrus 55:07 ... a lot also.

Joe Rogan 55:07 Calm's great.

Miley Cyrus 55:08 Yes. I- I actually, my favorite thing about Headspace is I love the, um, the SleepScape, and my favorite one is the Cat Marina.

Joe Rogan 55:15 Okay.

Miley Cyrus 55:15 Uh, 'cause I do love boats and I do love cats, so that's a dream-

Joe Rogan 55:19 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 55:19 ... for me after a long day. And I-

Joe Rogan 55:21 Does that work on you?

Miley Cyrus 55:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:22 Does it calm you down?

Miley Cyrus 55:22 When my house burned down, I... Literally, I'm not joking, the Cat Marina got me through. I was shooting in South Africa, and every night, it'd be like, "Hello and good evening. You're at the Cat Marina."

Joe Rogan 55:34 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 55:34 "Lucky for you, you love cats. What do you love more? Boats." You know?

Joe Rogan 55:39 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 55:39 And it's like, "Hell yeah, I'm at the Cat Marina. My house is on the ground in a million pieces and I'll never see anything that I love inside of it again, but I'm at the fucking Cat Marina."

Joe Rogan 55:47 I'm not a doctor, but if I was, I would tell... I would prescribe to you some r- r- ridiculous rigorous exercise. I think you are... You're like a little Ferrari-

Miley Cyrus 55:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:56 ... and you need to get out there on the fucking racetrack.

Miley Cyrus 55:58 Let's go.

Joe Rogan 55:59 And I really think that.

Miley Cyrus 56:00 Let's go.

Joe Rogan 56:01 Like, I- I see all this fucking energy you have, I'm like, "That l- that lady's like an overflowing battery."

Miley Cyrus 56:05 This is why I like, this is why I like to work hard, and maybe-

Joe Rogan 56:08 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 56:08 ... that's maybe-

Joe Rogan 56:09 I'm sure.

Miley Cyrus 56:09 Yeah. I love to work.

Joe Rogan 56:10 Yeah. You're a thoroughbred.

Miley Cyrus 56:11 I do. And when I don't work, that's when I get in trouble.

Joe Rogan 56:13 But you also gotta think about there's genetics involved. You know, your father was a musician and, you know, just... And then all your life being in the public eye like that and performing and working, and then just the amount of, uh, effort that you put in when you were a kid, touring all the time. I mean, you're fucking geared for that shit, you know? And I just feel like people like that, your body can betray you sometimes-

Miley Cyrus 56:37 I know that.

Joe Rogan 56:37 ... if you don't...

Miley Cyrus 56:37 I have a lot of physical pain, to be honest-

Joe Rogan 56:40 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 56:40 ... with you. Um, and that's something I'm working on and trying to figure out too, and that had a lot...

Joe Rogan 56:44 You got physical pain? Like what kind of-

Miley Cyrus 56:45 Physical pain.

Joe Rogan 56:46 ... physical pain?

Miley Cyrus 56:46 My hips, like, really, really hurt me, and-

Joe Rogan 56:48 Your hips?

Miley Cyrus 56:48 ... my hips drive me crazy. Like-

Joe Rogan 56:50 From what?

Miley Cyrus 56:51 ... if I fly... I think... I don't know, maybe it's just the... (clicks tongue)

Joe Rogan 56:54 Do you stretch?

Miley Cyrus 56:54 I do stretch.

Joe Rogan 56:55 Yeah?

Miley Cyrus 56:55 I'm actually overly flexible. I'm, like, kinda double-jointed everywhere.

Joe Rogan 56:58 Mm.

Miley Cyrus 56:59 Um, and so I have a lot of, like, shoulder... Like, my shoulder will just slip out-

Joe Rogan 57:02 What?

Miley Cyrus 57:02 ... all the time. Like, it kinda just does weird things and my arms twist in weird directions.

Joe Rogan 57:07 Are you physically strong?

Miley Cyrus 57:09 Physically strong?

Joe Rogan 57:09 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 57:09 I think I'm pretty strong. I've been stronger. I've been stronger.

Joe Rogan 57:12 Maybe it's, like, a muscle thing. Maybe you need to exercise-

Miley Cyrus 57:14 Um, but I-

Joe Rogan 57:15 ... like weight lift.

Miley Cyrus 57:16 ... I- I really, really loved lifting and, um, doing all my weight training, my resistance, and then the kind of the veganism. I was kinda trying to... I think I'm really kinda building myself back up to realize what works on... I'm actually right now on a very experimental period. It's actually fun to talk about with you 'cause I know that you kinda have probably some good suggestions on that. But I'm experimenting a lot with, like, my diet and my body and my routine and my exercise right now, um, because... I mean, kind of, like, you know, leaving veganism in- uh, is, uh, really terrifying. Like you said, the public kinda will destroy you for that, and it's-

Joe Rogan 57:51 How long were you vegan?

Miley Cyrus 57:53 Uh, since tw- I was vegan from 2013 til 2019.

Joe Rogan 57:59 So in 2019, what was the first thing that you ate?

Miley Cyrus 58:02 Uh, my- my-

Joe Rogan 58:03 That wasn't...

Miley Cyrus 58:03 ... ex-husband cooked me, cooked me some fish on the grill. Um-

Joe Rogan 58:07 And did you-

Miley Cyrus 58:07 I cried, like, for a long time.

Joe Rogan 58:09 You cried for the fish?

Miley Cyrus 58:09 I cried for the fish, and I hoped-

Joe Rogan 58:10 Those little fucks.

Miley Cyrus 58:11 And I-

Joe Rogan 58:11 They don't even take care of their kids.

Miley Cyrus 58:12 Listen, I have some videos on my phone-

Joe Rogan 58:14 (laughs)

Miley Cyrus 58:15 ... of my fish at home. I have a blowfish that runs to the side of the tank every time I come home, so it really hurts me to eat-

Joe Rogan 58:20 'Cause it thinks-

Miley Cyrus 58:21 ... these fish.

Joe Rogan 58:21 ... you're gonna feed it.

Miley Cyrus 58:22 And I do every time.

Joe Rogan 58:23 Yeah, that's it.

Miley Cyrus 58:24 I know.

Joe Rogan 58:24 That's all it is.

Miley Cyrus 58:24 And then, then... You know what? I haven't really had-

Joe Rogan 58:26 You get shot in the head, that fish doesn't give a fuck.

Miley Cyrus 58:28 Well, that's what, that's what-

Joe Rogan 58:29 Just keeps swimming around.

Miley Cyrus 58:30 ... my ex said about the dogs. And I'm like, "I can't do this, the dogs." And he's like, "Watch this." Starts feeding them the fish. He's like, "They're happy. You know, they'll eat it." But, um, so that's what I had, and it was because of the hip pain I had, uh, actually going to... We were flying to, I think, Poland or something on a tour that I was on, and I started sobbing, crying on the plane 'cause I couldn't sit any longer-

Joe Rogan 58:48 W-

Miley Cyrus 58:48 ... 'cause my hips were hurting so bad.

Joe Rogan 58:49 So d- this was pre-gluten-

Miley Cyrus 58:51 And laying on the floor.

Joe Rogan 58:52 Pre-quitting gluten?

Miley Cyrus 58:53 Now I'm back on gluten. So that was a-

Joe Rogan 58:55 Now you're back on it?

Miley Cyrus 58:55 ... th- I did a trial period of 18 of, of, like, kind of removing things. 'Cause I think when you try all these different diets, like, "Okay, now I'm gonna try keto, now I'm gonna try vegan-"

Joe Rogan 59:03 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 59:03 "... now I'm gonna try this," you're doing it at such a kinda... It's really hard to know-

Joe Rogan 59:07 Drastic.

Miley Cyrus 59:07 ... what's affecting you.

Joe Rogan 59:08 Right.

Miley Cyrus 59:09 Um, so I tried to go slowly, like, "Okay, uh, it- it takes a freaking long time," but going through and going, "Oh, I'm gonna eliminate this now-"

Joe Rogan 59:15 Right.

Miley Cyrus 59:15 "... and then I'm gonna put it back-"

Joe Rogan 59:16 Yeah.

Miley Cyrus 59:16 "... and see how I feel." My body, when I am supplementing, especially with the omegas, like, the omegas have really changed my life for me. I think, again, you know, you kinda, you kind of refer to me as something like a car, and I think that we are kinda like a car. And I was, like, so dry from having none of these healthy fats in my diet.

Joe Rogan 59:33 Mm-hmm.

Miley Cyrus 59:33 I did what I could with, like, as many fricking avocados a day as I could-

Joe Rogan 59:36 It's hard.

Miley Cyrus 59:36 ... have another thing, but it's hard to get the fat.

Joe Rogan 59:38 Yeah. It's not as bioavailable when you eat, like, flax-

Miley Cyrus 59:40 And your brain is... You know-

Joe Rogan 59:41 ... and stuff like that.

Miley Cyrus 59:41 Your brain really needs those fats, and, you know, it was really, really hard for me.

Joe Rogan 59:45 Fish oil is the way to go.

Miley Cyrus 59:46 Yep.

Joe Rogan 59:47 I know people don't like it and they, they don't like the idea behind it if... But, goddamn it, it's so good for your brain.

Miley Cyrus 59:52 Yeah. I love, uh, I do kind of, like, the fish egg Vital Choice also-