Joe Rogan Experience #1531 - Miley Cyrus

1. 0:00 – 1:09

   Meeting Miley: the distinctive voice and how it evolved

   1. MCMiley Cyrus0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (heavy guitar music) Hello, Miley Cyrus.

   3. MCMiley Cyrus0:14

      All right.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      How are you?

   5. MCMiley Cyrus0:15

      I'm good. Joe, how you doing?

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Pleasure to meet you.

   7. MCMiley Cyrus0:16

      You also. I'm happy to be here.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      I'm happy to have you here.

   9. MCMiley Cyrus0:19

      Thank you very much.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       You have a fantastic voice. Not just a singing voice, but your talking voice is very unusual. It's like it makes you step back a little bit like, "Oh."

   11. MCMiley Cyrus0:27

       I've actually ... Uh, recently, I was walking around in Boston, and I went to a museum. And this, like, older man walked up to me, had no idea who I was. He was just enjoying the art also in the museum and started talking to me forever about my voice. And my ... And then there was a college, some sort of trip to the museum, and then everybody started freaking out. And it was so cool just to have someone stop me about my speaking voice 'cause that had never happened to me before. I think it's 'cause I was turned around, and I had the mullet, so I could've been, you know, anybody. I could've been anyone from Tennessee.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       It's a heavy voice.

   13. MCMiley Cyrus0:59

       It's a heavy voice. Um-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       You didn't always have a heavy voice though. Like, when ... Uh, my kids love Hannah Montana, by the way.

   15. MCMiley Cyrus1:05

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       So when I, I would watch, your, your voice was different.

2. 1:09 – 4:18

   Vocal surgery, early touring, and learning how to protect the instrument

   1. MCMiley Cyrus1:09

      It's definitely changed. I actually ... I kind of learned a lot about the voice and how our experiences affect our voice. I had a surgery in November on my voice.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:20

      Oh.

   3. MCMiley Cyrus1:20

      I had something called Raikhi's edema, which when my doctor told me about it, he said, "No one shy ever has this. This is for abuse of the voice."

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:29

      (laughs)

   5. MCMiley Cyrus1:29

      "This is for people that talk way too fucking much." And usually, this happens when you're, like, in your 60s or 70s, a couple other singers.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:35

      How do I not have that?

   7. MCMiley Cyrus1:37

      I don't know. (laughs) I don't know.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:38

      (laughs)

   9. MCMiley Cyrus1:38

      Mine, I think honestly, really, I, I started touring, you know, at probably 12 or 13, and not only was I ... The adrenaline that you have after a show, it's not really the singing that affects your voice as much. It's afterwards. You're totally on, and then it's really hard to get that sleep. You stay up, talking all night. Later, the talking all night turn into smoking all night, and now this is kinda where we're at.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       (laughs)

   11. MCMiley Cyrus2:02

       We got some dirt on her. You know, she ...

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:05

       Yeah.

   13. MCMiley Cyrus2:05

       The, the voice can be like, like a face. It collects wrinkles, and, and it tells a story. If you look at yourself, and you go, "Oh, I didn't have this until these- this trip. You know, I sat out in the sun," or, "I partied too much," or whatever, and your voice does the same thing. It collects dirt.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       It's very distinctive. Yeah.

   15. MCMiley Cyrus2:19

       Yes. It gives me away, um ... I mean, I'm pretty much one of the only chicks in LA with a mullet.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:24

       (laughs)

   17. MCMiley Cyrus2:24

       So that gives me away also.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       Well, you're not in the right neighborhood. There's plenty of- plenty of them.

   19. MCMiley Cyrus2:28

       (laughs) I know. I gotta dry out to the- to the desert, I guess.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:30

       Yeah. That's right. Yeah.

   21. MCMiley Cyrus2:32

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:32

       Yeah. Go out to Joshua Tree.

   23. MCMiley Cyrus2:33

       Yeah, exactly.

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:34

       Find the chicks that are tripping.

   25. MCMiley Cyrus2:35

       Exactly.

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:36

       Yeah. With handmade tattoos

   27. NANarrator2:37

       (overlapping) Yeah.

   28. MCMiley Cyrus2:37

       I have a couple of those too.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:39

       (laughs)

   30. MCMiley Cyrus2:40

       (laughs)
3. 4:18 – 7:05

   Growing up working nonstop: Disney-era pressure, weed, and getting sober

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:18

      But it had to be really odd to be working that much and be a young girl.

   2. MCMiley Cyrus4:24

      The balance it trained me to have is something that I don't think you are gonna get taught any other way besides jumping in the deep end of the pool and hoping you know how to swim. That's the only way. I ... There was no way I could've prepared for the amount of balance I would have to learn to kinda teeter, because, you know, at one point, again, it, it went from it was school, then it went from, you know, h- how many- how much weed can I actually smoke and still play a teenage superstar on the Disney Channel?

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:54

      (laughs)

   4. MCMiley Cyrus4:54

      And then, like, and then, like-

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:56

      Uh, what's the answer to that question?

   6. MCMiley Cyrus4:58

      Uh, more than you would fucking think.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:59

      (laughs)

   8. MCMiley Cyrus5:00

      Um, I remember one time when ... And I don't smoke anymore, and I'm sober. Uh-

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:06

      How long you been sober for?

   10. MCMiley Cyrus5:06

       But I, I've been sober since the- pretty much the vocal surgery kinda did it for me, um, because I just learned so much about the effects, which, again, you're just not taught. Um, it's not really the drinking. It's staying up all night. You know, once you have your drink, you end up smoking. And I kinda ... I- I have a ... I've become the face of a lot of things kind of, uh, against my will. I guess, uh, from my opinions, when you're someone in my position, your opinion becomes your identity.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:34

       Mm-hmm.

   12. MCMiley Cyrus5:34

       And it also becomes kind of almost like a ... You kinda become this, like, preacher. You become this ... You know, they don't really let you just always have your own opinion, so I've decided to start telling people, "I live my own lifestyle. Alcohol was never my problem." There was other things that I end up, you know ... I like to go up, so I, I now just avoid really drinking 'cause I- I- I like to wake up at 110%. Um, but it's never really been my problem, and I could see myself having a drink of celebration in the future. But I get so fucking hungover now that I'm like, "Why would I celebrate with, like, just feeling like ...... a volcano's erupted in my brain, you know. So, so it's really just a personal preference, but it's definitely not anything that I promote in, I think it's a lifestyle everyone should be... I think everyone should experiment. It's a good time and you learn a lot of things about yourself and the people around you. But now, I'm, I'm watching, I have younger siblings and they're going through that and I don't know how my mom did it with me 'cause it's scary.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:30

       Yeah, I don't think... I think if we're gonna acknowledge the fact that all these things exist, cocaine exists, pills exist, marijuana exists, we should teach people how to do it right.

   14. MCMiley Cyrus6:40

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:41

       Really, I mean-

   16. MCMiley Cyrus6:41

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:41

       ... you're leaving children. It's the same thing with sex, right?

   18. MCMiley Cyrus6:44

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:44

       We leave children to their, their, there's, uh, th- the information that they're gonna get is from other kids.

   20. MCMiley Cyrus6:50

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       And if you're learning about sex from another 14-year-old or you're learning about coke from a 14-year-old-

   22. MCMiley Cyrus6:56

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:56

       ... that's not good.

   24. MCMiley Cyrus6:57

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       Like, someone, uh, we, we play this game with children where we try to pretend that, you know, they live in a movie.

4. 7:05 – 8:22

   Teaching kids reality: drug/sex education and “realistic” children’s books

   1. MCMiley Cyrus7:05

      All right. Well, listen to this. This is actually funny you bring this up because I had the idea this week, not that I really have time to do this in the near future, but I would like to at some point in my life. I wanna do my own children's book series of realistic children's stories.

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:20

      Mm-hmm.

   3. MCMiley Cyrus7:20

      Because I don't like the idea that we teach them that this is sunshine world and everyone walks on a rainbow-

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:25

      Right.

   5. MCMiley Cyrus7:26

      ... and everyone's equal. And you need to say, like, "That's not. What are you gonna do about it?"

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:29

      Right.

   7. MCMiley Cyrus7:29

      "That's not true. What are you gonna do about it?" And I think there's a way to not terrify children of life, even though I go in and out of periods where I think life is really overwhelmingly terrifying. Um, and that's coming from my position. And my position, I, I tell myself all the time, "If you're not enjoying this life, honey, you got it coming in the next one 'cause I better fucking love this life." It's the best one. Uh, I, I couldn't imagine being in a different body and having a different experience.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:51

      It's an awesome life if you do it the right way.

   9. MCMiley Cyrus7:53

      It's an awesome life. And I also, I didn't hurt myself beyond repair in my experiences. I survived, and I don't even mean heart still beating survival. I mean, I have a lot of people that love me around. I didn't kick all the people that had my best interest at heart out. That's the, that's where you die-

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:15

       Mm-hmm.

   11. MCMiley Cyrus8:15

       ... is you kick everyone that says-

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:16

       Yeah.

   13. MCMiley Cyrus8:17

       ... "Hey, are you d- are you okay?" You know, out. "No, uh, of course I'm okay. You don't trust me. Get the fuck out."

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:21

       Right.

5. 8:22 – 11:18

   Billy Ray Cyrus stories: no Wi‑Fi life, pizza goals, and wild parenting

   1. MCMiley Cyrus8:22

      And so now that I have people that I've had in my life, I feel that I have people in my life that I've known for 15, 20 years, and not many people in my position get to say that. My parents are awesome. My dad's l- loopy as hell, but I ve- love him-

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:37

      (laughs)

   3. MCMiley Cyrus8:37

      ... so much. Um, he, he has no way of ever hearing this 'cause my dad doesn't have wifi or, uh, anything but a Blackberry, so I can tell you what I got him for his birthday.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:45

      Your dad has a Blackberry?

   5. MCMiley Cyrus8:45

      My dad has two Blackberries, which equal-

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:47

      (laughs)

   7. MCMiley Cyrus8:47

      ... an iPhone, which is not true, but that's what he says. So for his birthday, he said that he wanted to see if he could go 365 days without eating pizza 'cause he had never done it before.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:56

      (laughs)

   9. MCMiley Cyrus8:56

      So my dad has now gone a year without having pizza, and my dad loves bubble baths. He's gonna kill me for saying this, but his country ass loves bubble baths.

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:04

       That's hilarious.

   11. MCMiley Cyrus9:05

       And so he loves to smoke his joint, eat his pizza, and get a bubble bath. So he said, "That's what I'm gonna do for my birthday." So for his birthday, I've organized a five-foot pizza to be delivered to his farm, so he can have all he can eat. And I'm the pizza delivery person on the box. I had someone draw it where it's me with-

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:20

       (laughs)

   13. MCMiley Cyrus9:20

       ... my tongue out and a mullet delivering the pizza. And I got a bathtub on Craigslist, and I put it... My dad has 500 acres, so I put it in the middle of the farm filled with bubble gum, just like my music video. And so my dad's gonna have a bubble gum bathtub and a five-foot pizza for his birthday.

   14. JRJoe Rogan9:34

       That's adorable.

   15. MCMiley Cyrus9:35

       That's next week.

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:36

       That, I like the fact that he has no wifi and no internet. Good for him.

   17. MCMiley Cyrus9:39

       No wifi, no internet. Every now and then-

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:41

       It probably feels good that way.

   19. MCMiley Cyrus9:41

       ... he'll drive to my uncle's house to FaceTime us every now and then.

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       Oh, wow.

   21. MCMiley Cyrus9:45

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:45

       Wow. He has to make a drive to FaceTime.

   23. MCMiley Cyrus9:47

       You got it. It's not far. All of us are just, like, my dad's kept us a, a, a pebble's throw away, for sure. We all live on property. We all live really close to each other.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:55

       So if you did this thing, like, if you really decided to do, uh, children's books, like realistic children's books-

   25. MCMiley Cyrus10:01

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       ... like, how would you do that? Would you get a ghost author and sort of come up with the ideas of what you were trying to get across to kids?

   27. MCMiley Cyrus10:07

       Well-

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:08

       What, what do you wish somebody told you?

   29. MCMiley Cyrus10:11

       I like that you mentioned that no one talks to us about drugs. I know this is gonna be controversial to introduce drugs to kids. I think that there's a way, and I'd have to think about it. Um, Wayne Coyne, who's a good friend of mine, and I did the Dead Pets record with him. Flaming Lips have been my favorite band since I was in fifth grade, and he's obviously an amazing artist. And he just had his first child, year and a half years old. He's six. He just had a baby. They're coming to visit me right now. And, um, I would have him do all the illustrations, so it stays in that kind of surrealist world 'cause I think, I think that's what would get the kids to wanna read this book is that-

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:43

       Mm-hmm.
6. 11:18 – 18:07

   Tabloids, divorce, and taking back the narrative in real time

   1. MCMiley Cyrus11:18

      I'm gonna stop. I feel that s- I worry sometimes that I can get over things easily. I don't fall to the floor and crawl up in a ball the way that I used to, and I think that's a part of me growing up. Like, when, you know, I recently just went through a very public divorce that fucking sucked. What really sucked about it wasn't the fact that me and someone that I loved realized that we don't love each other the way that we used to anymore. That's okay. I can accept that. I can't accept the villainizing and the, um-... just all those stories that, like, it's just amazing to me that the public kinda thinks that there's no gap of time that they didn't see that could possibly be what led to this. Like, it's not, "One day you were happy on the carpet, and the next day you were making out with your friend in Italy. What the fuck?"

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:08

      (laughs)

   3. MCMiley Cyrus12:08

      Well, there was a lot of time in between that, that you didn't see. It didn't go-

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:11

      Yeah.

   5. MCMiley Cyrus12:12

      I didn't, like... I didn't, you know-

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:14

      Yeah. But you can't rely on someone else's narrative, right?

   7. MCMiley Cyrus12:17

      No.

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:17

      Especially someone who doesn't know you. You really shouldn't even read what people write about you.

   9. MCMiley Cyrus12:21

      But s-... Well, what's crazy is m- my dad, again... You know, my dad's been a real figure in my life. And, um, my dad, when he got his Grammy nomination, he wore a d-... He went to the Grammys in a John 3:16 shirt, and he-

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:31

       Hmm.

   11. MCMiley Cyrus12:31

       ... he didn't get the Grammy. And the next day, the New York Post or someone put, "Even God can't save Billy Ray Cyrus and his career."

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:38

       (laughs)

   13. MCMiley Cyrus12:38

       And he was sitting next to Johnny Cash. They were going to s- something. I have a Johnny Cash tattoo that was handwritten, uh, to my dad fr- from around that time. And he, he said, "What the hell?" Just like you say to me right now. "You're my Johnny Cash." You know, he said, "What the hell are you doing reading that?"

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:54

       Yeah.

   15. MCMiley Cyrus12:54

       And my dad said, "I just never really picked u- picked up the paper again." But again, my dad didn't buy that paper. It was just kind of in your face. And-

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:01

       He should've thought that was funny.

   17. MCMiley Cyrus13:03

       He, he does now. Now, he just says, "Well, whatever will get Johnny Cash to come and sit next to me and talk to me."

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:08

       (laughs)

   19. MCMiley Cyrus13:08

       Now, he... Now, he loves it. Um, and it's been really good to have him go before me, you know? It's, it's kinda that buddy system. I think it'd be really scary if I wouldn't have been able to see that, but-

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:19

       Right.

   21. MCMiley Cyrus13:19

       ... to your point of I don't click on this shit, you know? It, it comes into my life by-

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:25

       Other people, right.

   23. MCMiley Cyrus13:25

       If I walk by a magazine stand, which I like to walk on the street-

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:28

       Yeah.

   25. MCMiley Cyrus13:28

       ... and it says, like, "Miley's on drugs and pregnant." And then I think, "One of those things are true-"

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:35

       (laughs)

   27. MCMiley Cyrus13:35

       "... but not the other. Fuck you for lying about me."

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:38

       Yeah. But that's all they have. I mean, what... When someone's in the public eye and someone's as prominent as you are, you become, uh, a way for them to access money.

   29. MCMiley Cyrus13:47

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:48

       That's all you are.
7. 18:07 – 20:24

   Weed, mental health risk, and genetic realities behind addiction

   1. MCMiley Cyrus18:07

      Um...And yeah, I just think also, I mean, when we're talking about realistic children's books, I think the stigma that kind of, uh, surrounds, you know, youth growing up, rebelling and then craziness, and then what's the line between that and- and mental illness. And, you know, I do have some kinda genetic family history of alcohol. I mean, that totally gets erased when you're a celebrity. It's like, "Hollywood did this to you." It's like, no, dude. My great-grandma was an alcoholic, you know? My granddad was an alcoholic. My grandma's an alcoholic. Um, you know, so I- I obviously had... It wasn't Hollywood, you know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:43

      Mm-hmm.

   3. MCMiley Cyrus18:43

      It's genetic.

   4. JRJoe Rogan18:44

      I think for you, I mean, I- I don't think there's anything wrong with writing a book and writing a- a realistic children's book.

   5. MCMiley Cyrus18:50

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan18:50

      But I think you could do a lot of good by just making little YouTube videos.

   7. MCMiley Cyrus18:55

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan18:55

      Just you make little YouTube videos just talking and explaining, "Hey, this is what I did, and this is where I fucked up."

   9. MCMiley Cyrus19:01

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:01

       "And this is why you shouldn't do it this way. These are the drugs you gotta be really careful about."

   11. MCMiley Cyrus19:05

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:05

       "These are drugs that are really dangerous." And look, if you wanna have, like, one drink, you wanna have one drink-

   13. MCMiley Cyrus19:11

       Yeah, if you can.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:11

       Like, just have one fucking drink.

   15. MCMiley Cyrus19:13

       If you can.

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:13

       If you can.

   17. MCMiley Cyrus19:14

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:14

       Yeah. If you wanna, uh, if you wanna smoke weed, take a hit.

   19. MCMiley Cyrus19:17

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:18

       Like, don't get crazy.

   21. MCMiley Cyrus19:19

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:19

       Like, figure this out. Like, you can have a good experience on marijuana, or you could fuck up your life and have a schizophrenic breakdown-

   23. MCMiley Cyrus19:26

       And that's one thing that I felt like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:28

       ... and get super paranoid.

   25. MCMiley Cyrus19:28

       ... you know, when I was smoking weed, like, my mom, all the weed that I don't smoke, she takes care of, both of my parents.

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:34

       (laughs)

   27. MCMiley Cyrus19:34

       So I have nothing against weed. My whole family's a bunch of stoners. I- I just felt like when you're talking about kinda some of the- the episodes that they can kinda bring on-

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:43

       They can, yeah.

   29. MCMiley Cyrus19:43

       ... you know, I maybe have a little some of those kind of tendencies already. Um-

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:49

       And that's- that's something that people who love marijuana don't like to talk about.
8. 20:24 – 24:33

   Anxiety at 17 and finding Dr. Daniel Amen: brain scans and measurable mental health

   1. MCMiley Cyrus20:24

      I- I read and I, uh, kind of... I was, uh, going on a, I was going on a trip when I was maybe 17 years old, and I was walking through the airport, and I saw a book that said Change Your Brain, Change Your Life by Dr. Daniel Amen, who's now been my therapist for 10 years.

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:40

      Ah.

   3. MCMiley Cyrus20:40

      And I couldn't get on this plane. I was having a full anxiety attack with smoking a lot of weed-

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:45

      How old were you?

   5. MCMiley Cyrus20:45

      ... with taking a lot of shrooms. I was 17.

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:46

      17 smoking a lot of weed and taking a lot of shrooms.

   7. MCMiley Cyrus20:49

      Taking a lot of shrooms. And I started getting a little-

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:51

      Yeah.

   9. MCMiley Cyrus20:51

      I started getting a little cray-cray, you know, sometimes-

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:53

       Don't recommend that.

   11. MCMiley Cyrus20:54

       ... doing some things with, you know, causing some fights with my boyfriend that were unnecessary. They got heightened. Um, I remember one time I wrecked my car into my gate, and I said, "This is all your fault!" I was the one driving the damn car. How is this your fault? I did not have a great idea of reality at that time.

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:11

       Right.

   13. MCMiley Cyrus21:11

       So I was going to, I was leaving the country for the first time without my family. I was going to Costa Rica, and I was walking through the airport, and I saw this book Change Your Brain, Change Your Life. I'm like, "I- I wanna change my life." I don't like where this is going, and my brain is actually, I don't like who I'm living with. The person upstairs is, like, annoying the hell out of me. So I got this book, and it got me to get onto the plane. Now, I had a few anxious breakdowns on that when, you know, you, when you go to places like going in the middle of the jungle, you take all those little planes, and all of a sudden you're on a four-wheeler going to wherever you're going.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:39

       Mm-hmm.

   15. MCMiley Cyrus21:39

       Every now and then I'd have to stop 'cause I would get so lightheaded and stabbing chest pains and all this. And he said, "Drop weed, first of all. Get rid of the weed, get rid of the psychedelics." And I also cut gluten from my diet from a little bit of a time so I could get an idea of like, what's my body on a natural level? And I started doing, you know, kinda blood work, and I- I did some SPECT scans, which he specializes in, so like actually looking at my brain. 'Cause what I really like about the SPECT scan is, you know, you wouldn't tell me I have a broken arm without freaking looking at it. I could tell you ow, it hurts, blah, blah, blah, but like, you know-

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:09

       And what is a SPECT scan? Mm-hmm.

   17. MCMiley Cyrus22:11

       So a SPECT scan, um, we might have to look up exactly what it stands for (laughs) because I don't, I don't remember this. But basically, it's kinda like an X-ray, and it kinda shows you almost like in those thermal-type colors of the activity of your brain.

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:23

       Here it comes.

   19. MCMiley Cyrus22:23

       There we go.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:24

       Single-photon emission computed tomography.

   21. MCMiley Cyrus22:28

       Yeah, so I have one of these.

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:29

       Nuclear medicine study that evaluates blood flow and activity t- in the brain.

   23. MCMiley Cyrus22:33

       So that's my doctor, Amen Clinics.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:34

       Mm.

   25. MCMiley Cyrus22:34

       That's- that's his, uh, website right there.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:37

       Mm.

   27. MCMiley Cyrus22:37

       And so I- I have a couple of these. Um...

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:40

       How's your brain look?

   29. MCMiley Cyrus22:41

       You know what? Surpr- he says... This isn't right. Surprisingly good for the abuse that it's had.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:46

       Well, you gotta think about the amount-
9. 24:33 – 35:14

   Head injury, impulsivity, and rebuilding cognition with diet (leaving strict veganism)

   1. MCMiley Cyrus24:33

      Oh, it's bad. My dad had me... This is really bad, but he can't go to jail, I don't think, 'cause it's long enough time away. He had me in a baby backpack and I was on a dirt bike with my dad.

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:44

      (inhales deeply)

   3. MCMiley Cyrus24:44

      And he was riding and a tree had fallen and he ducked and I didn't and I hit my head on the tree.

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:49

      Oh, Jesus Christ.

   5. MCMiley Cyrus24:50

      It was bad. So that's what's wrong. Everyone's asked me that for years.

   6. JRJoe Rogan24:52

      Well that, you know, that's a common theme with wild people. Do you know that?

   7. MCMiley Cyrus24:56

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan24:57

      Sam Kinison got hit by a car when he was, like, a little kid and, and, and his brother Bill said it completely changed his life.

   9. MCMiley Cyrus25:03

      We have just different standards.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:04

       He was this, like, real com... Same thing with Roseanne Barr. She got hit by a car when she was 15. Before that, she was, like, mild-mannered, b- b- really good at math. After she got hit by a car, she had to spend nine months in a mental institution, couldn't count anymore-

   11. MCMiley Cyrus25:16

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:17

       ... and she became this wild lady who, who everybody knows as Roseanne.

   13. MCMiley Cyrus25:20

       Right. I mean, maybe I, maybe I'm thankful for it. Maybe it, like, I don't know, knocked me into this identity or something.

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:26

       I think, I think there's something to... I'm not kidding-

   15. MCMiley Cyrus25:28

       He knows that there's something to that. Dr. Amen, we've talked about this a lot. So when I get really overwhelmed, I also have a tendency that if I know something's stupid, I just gotta try it to know that it's stupid, which is, makes it stupid 'cause I already knew about it. Sometimes I'm like, "Is it better to know it's dumb and do it or to not know it's dumb and do it?"

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:43

       But don't you think part of that-

   17. MCMiley Cyrus25:44

       That's the head injury.

   18. JRJoe Rogan25:46

       Well, maybe. But also, development-

   19. MCMiley Cyrus25:49

       It's the final home of your brakes. You know?

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:50

       But just the way you developed as a human being, being that famous at, you know, 12 years old doing stadiums.

   21. MCMiley Cyrus25:56

       But I do like, I like looking at my brain and going, "Okay, listen, like, someone cut my brakes, right, on my brain." And I have to take all the things, omega... I- I've been, was vegan for a very long time and I've had to introduce fish and omegas into my life because my brain wasn't functioning properly.

   22. JRJoe Rogan26:12

       Mm.

   23. MCMiley Cyrus26:12

       Um, and-

   24. JRJoe Rogan26:13

       Don't tell that to the vegans.

   25. MCMiley Cyrus26:14

       I know.

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:14

       They'll come for you.

   27. MCMiley Cyrus26:15

       That's... They're gonna come for me, but that's okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:17

       (laughs)

   29. MCMiley Cyrus26:17

       Um, I'm used to people coming for me and it's gonna be-

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:19

       You need to eat more celery.
10. 35:14 – 41:55

    Resilience, relationships, and autonomy: being labeled ‘cold’ for moving on

    1. MCMiley Cyrus35:14

       ... 'cause, like, I love dudes, you know? And I, I actually relate to dudes a lot more. Um, but I think men in my life have told me that I'm cold or I'm a cold fucking bitch because I leave when things are done. I was actually gonna say, you know-

    2. JRJoe Rogan35:25

       Well, maybe you've been dating bitches.

    3. MCMiley Cyrus35:26

       I'm really into a lot of freaky things, but I don't fuck dead guys. And when it's over, it's over, and you're dead to me, and we move on.

    4. JRJoe Rogan35:32

       Wow.

    5. MCMiley Cyrus35:32

       You know? So that's how I feel about it.

    6. JRJoe Rogan35:34

       That's heavy. That's heavy.

    7. MCMiley Cyrus35:35

       And, uh, I'll do a lot of things, but I don't do that. And so I, um, think that that's where I've gotten the idea, which actually I'm glad you just said that to me because I, I get this kind of beaten into the brain from all different angles. My mom's like... You know, everyone else is proud of me for being, like you said, resilient.

    8. JRJoe Rogan35:51

       Yeah.

    9. MCMiley Cyrus35:51

       And I have a lot of guilt. I'm a very guilty person.

    10. JRJoe Rogan35:54

        But that sounds like you're talking to guys who want you to feel guilty because-

    11. MCMiley Cyrus35:58

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan35:58

        ... you don't feel emotional about it ending.

    13. MCMiley Cyrus36:00

        And this is the first time-

    14. JRJoe Rogan36:01

        People need to learn how to just let shit go if they like you or if they love you.

    15. MCMiley Cyrus36:05

        If they love you, they have to.

    16. JRJoe Rogan36:06

        If they love you, they-

    17. MCMiley Cyrus36:07

        But if they don't have to, that's a hard thing.

    18. JRJoe Rogan36:08

        ... should want you to be happy. Just let it pass and then be friends.

    19. MCMiley Cyrus36:12

        Okay, so-

    20. JRJoe Rogan36:13

        If they can't do that, that's on them. That's not on you-

    21. MCMiley Cyrus36:16

        That's why I'm looking for an older man-

    22. JRJoe Rogan36:18

        ... because you're resilient.

    23. MCMiley Cyrus36:18

        ... because these, like, guys that are... You know, I definitely should be with someone, I think, that-

    24. JRJoe Rogan36:22

        You gotta find Nick Nolte.

    25. MCMiley Cyrus36:23

        This is what I'm thinking. (laughs) This is what I'm think, this is what I'm thinking. I don't need a man or a woman that's gonna take care of me. I can take care of me 'cause I've got money, I've got all the things that I need to take care of myself. I need them to be able to take care of them.

    26. JRJoe Rogan36:37

        Yeah.

    27. MCMiley Cyrus36:37

        Because somehow I keep getting into, to-

    28. JRJoe Rogan36:39

        Well, you need someone with autonomy.

    29. MCMiley Cyrus36:41

        Yes.

    30. JRJoe Rogan36:42

        That's what you need. You need someone who d- d- they don't need your constant approval and affection and attention-
11. 41:55 – 1:14:44

    Exercise as therapy: high energy, chronic pain, and the need for rigorous training

    1. JRJoe Rogan41:55

       Do you, you have so much energy, like the way you talk and all the sentences run on into the next.

    2. MCMiley Cyrus42:00

       (laughs)

    3. JRJoe Rogan42:00

       Do you exercise?

    4. MCMiley Cyrus42:01

       Yes, I exercise.

    5. JRJoe Rogan42:02

       W- what do you do?

    6. MCMiley Cyrus42:03

       I love Pilates, and, uh, it's not super, I guess, cardio.

    7. JRJoe Rogan42:07

       I think you need to do something aggro.

    8. MCMiley Cyrus42:08

       I need to run a little bit more. I-

    9. JRJoe Rogan42:10

       You need to do something aggro.

    10. MCMiley Cyrus42:10

        I got a bag being put in my house right now, so I'm gonna, next time I'm here, I'll show you. I'll be able to-

    11. JRJoe Rogan42:15

        Okay, but-

    12. MCMiley Cyrus42:15

        ... beat the shit out of it.

    13. JRJoe Rogan42:15

        ... protect your hands. Like, if you, if you do-

    14. MCMiley Cyrus42:17

        Oh, yeah. These nails come off. I just have them taped on.

    15. JRJoe Rogan42:19

        Okay. Okay.

    16. MCMiley Cyrus42:20

        This is Dolly style. Everything about me is taped on, honey.

    17. JRJoe Rogan42:22

        (laughs)

    18. MCMiley Cyrus42:23

        Uh, it's an easy-

    19. JRJoe Rogan42:24

        Dolly style.

    20. MCMiley Cyrus42:24

        ... at night, you just go and I like, "Ah." Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan42:27

        But I know-

    22. MCMiley Cyrus42:27

        It's all just tape.

    23. JRJoe Rogan42:28

        ... people that have-

    24. MCMiley Cyrus42:29

        It's an illusion.

    25. JRJoe Rogan42:29

        ... that play guitar and, and do-

    26. MCMiley Cyrus42:31

        Oh, yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan42:31

        ... musical instruments and they hurt their hands punching things.

    28. MCMiley Cyrus42:33

        I actually had a, uh, I had a guy f-... told me that I had grubby little kid hands. And I liked that about it because I did have dirt. And that was because this was at a time where I was doing drugs, and I wanted to know where the hell the gophers go.

    29. JRJoe Rogan42:45

        (laughs)

    30. MCMiley Cyrus42:45

        So, there was a gopher hole in my backyard. And I'm like, "Where do they keep going?"

Episode duration: 2:06:31