Joe Rogan Experience #1534 - Ron White

1. 0:00 – 0:21

   Show kickoff: lockdown glow-up and settling into the new studio vibe

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Hey.

   3. GUGuest0:14

      Joe, you look good.

   4. RWRon White0:15

      Oh, thank you, man.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      You did. You- you- you look like, uh, you've- you're well rested. Like the COVID lockdown has done you well.

2. 0:21 – 3:22

   "Dial It Back" drinking plan, cigarillos, and Texas’ CBD/weed gray area

   1. RWRon White0:21

      Thank you. You know, I- I ... D- during this thing I- I came up with a program, uh, called the "Dial It Back A Little Bit" program and it's like AA except there's only six steps but you don't get completely sober. So it's gonna be very popular, I think. And, uh, the first step was, "Ron, why don't you quit drinking so fucking much?"

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:43

      And what is so fucking much? Like what- what's the numbers?

   3. RWRon White0:46

      Ah, you know, it's a half a mile of tequila a night or something like that. Maybe a little more.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:55

      Jesus.

   5. RWRon White0:55

      Uh, wound back to a third. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:58

      By the way, these little cigars are the shit. These are really good. Romeo & Julieta tiny cigars.

   7. RWRon White1:04

      Yeah, that- that's the, uh, the mini cigarillo.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:07

      Mm-hmm.

   9. RWRon White1:07

      So there's one that's a little bit bigger than that, uh, that's called a cigarillo and these are the minis and I started, like I was saying, at ... When I was playing golf, you know, that- that just- whenever it's time for me to hit I just throw it away and light another one, you know.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       Right.

   11. RWRon White1:20

       So there's 20 of 'em for $15 bucks, so you know, as opposed to a $15 cigar which is what I usually smoke. Something like that. And, uh ...

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       But it's good tobacco?

   13. RWRon White1:30

       Yeah, it's really good.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       You can tell. It's like a real cigar.

   15. RWRon White1:31

       It's the same thing that's in their big old premium cigars, just rode by- rolled by the junior rollers. That's how they learn.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       Yeah. And you look like you're smoking a blunt.

   17. RWRon White1:41

       But, we're clearly not.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       Clearly. And, uh, in Austin what were you saying about the rules? It's like a qua- what did- you could have as much as a quarter of a pound before they arrest you?

   19. RWRon White1:53

       Uh, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:54

       Something crazy like that?

   21. RWRon White1:54

       A quarter of a pound, is that right? Yeah, uh, and that- and if you just say it's, uh, CBD, CDB, whatever, nugs, then, uh, th- they would have to test it and they don't wanna test it. They got other things to do. So ...

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:08

       They have CBD stores out here, folks. It's- it's very strange. They have stores that sell CBD joints but marijuana's illegal.

   23. RWRon White2:15

       Right. So I don't know. You know? My- my son is in that business, and, uh, it- it- and it is confusing. The- the, uh, and I think (laughs) that's what helps, you know?

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       Yeah.

   25. RWRon White2:27

       Is, uh, they- they got dizzy trying to figure it out. But I was going through LAX on the way out here a week early, and, um ... Because we set this up for, uh, we- we were talking on Friday and you said next Tuesday, the 8th. Well I don't even know what month it is much less-

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:43

       (laughs)

   27. RWRon White2:43

       ... what day of the month it is and so I just thought it's the next Tuesday coming up, which was only three days away and I was a little mad at you and I was like going, "Wow, it seems like you'd have given me more than three days notice and I gotta find a way to get to LA."

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:57

       (laughs)

   29. RWRon White2:57

       And I'm looking at flights. There's nothing good. I'm thinking about bringing my plane down, uh, which it turns out has a problem so we couldn't bring it down and- and, uh, and I get down here and he's like, "The 8th is, uh, (laughs) a week from today." And I was like, "God, I'm so stupid, man."

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:15

       We made it work.
3. 3:22 – 6:15

   Ron’s first Austin trips: 6th Street in the ’70s and how cities ‘used to be better’

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:22

      So, you- so you're not from here but you've been here for how long now? Like two years? How long have you ...

   2. RWRon White3:27

      I've, uh ... You know, I started coming to Austin when I was 15 years old. Uh, my- my buddy, uh, his brother had taught economics at UT and had a house on 4th Street which at that time was just little bitty low-end cracker box houses but that mostly teachers lived in and he would let us stay in his yard and, uh ... So we would tell my parents that we were going camping at Lake Sutherland and my buddy, Ricky Bellows, when he turned 16 had the littlest new Honda but he had one that was wrecked and he rebuilt it and we put all our camping gear in it and come straight to Austin and, uh, set up in my (laughs) , uh, brother's scot- uh, uh, my buddy, uh, Mickey McMillan and his brother Scott McMillan would set up in his yard, his backyard, and then we'd walk two blocks to 6th Street and it was probably '71 or '72 and Austin was tripping balls. I mean, it was people on unicycles, in clown suits, juggling, backwards music pumping outta every window, Stevie Ray Vaughan coming out of this one- with Stevie Ray Vaughan on one end of the guitar. And we're-

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:33

      So Stevie Ray Vaughan playing live?

   4. RWRon White4:34

      Live, right. Just out the window. Now we didn't have any money and we couldn't get in any clubs so we had- we were completely broke and ... But we were standing there listening to this music watching this scene of 6th Street in '71. I guess it was about '71 or two when I would've been 15. '71. And, uh, and even then there were people going, "It's over. You should've seen it in '67." I'm like-

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:57

      (laughs)

   6. RWRon White4:57

      ... still (laughs) still- still looks pretty good to me, man. (laughs) Uh ...

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:02

      Isn't that just what people always do though?

   8. RWRon White5:03

      Oh yeah, uh, uh ...

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:04

      "You missed it, man."

   10. RWRon White5:05

       Just the other day somebody was like, "Oh yeah, it's just not what it used to be," and I'm like, "When'd you get here?" Like, "Thursday." I'm like, "Fuck, dude. Really? It's taken a dive since Thursday?"

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:15

       All these fucking Californians moving in.

   12. RWRon White5:17

       Yeah, they really hate that shit.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:19

       Yeah, I talked to, uh, this guy's doing, uh, IT work, he's like, "We're being invaded."

   14. RWRon White5:24

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:24

       Bro, relax.

   16. RWRon White5:26

       Well, you know, it's a ... it-

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:29

       I get it.

   18. RWRon White5:30

       It's a great state and- and, uh, w- but it's, uh, it's just a liberal stronghold in the middle of a very Republican state and, you know, I was born and raised here and then, you know, w- if people ask me if I'm a Texan I tell 'em I'm a Texan. You know, this is where I'm from and- and, uh, the state is, uh, slowly changing and- and becoming more palatable for everybody and, uh, but there's still a pretty hard right wing, you know, faction that runs it all out of, um, out of Dallas where all the money is, and Houston, and ...

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:00

       But that's what keeps it from going haywire, right?

   20. RWRon White6:02

       Right. Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:02

       That's what keeps it from going straight Portland.

   22. RWRon White6:04

       Right. (laughs) Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:05

       (laughs)

   24. RWRon White6:06

       That- that's it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:06

       ... you fucking need that, man.

   26. RWRon White6:08

       That- there- yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:09

       Those people are ridiculous. You need that.

   28. RWRon White6:11

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:11

       You need, you need law and order. You do. I don't give, I don't give a fuck what anybody says.

4. 6:15 – 10:21

   Riots, law-and-order, and why civilization needs guardrails

   1. RWRon White6:15

      Yeah, yeah. That's, uh, remember my old joke was, uh, if you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back.

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:21

      (laughs)

   3. RWRon White6:21

      And, uh, go somewhere else and kill people. You'll be better off.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:26

      Yeah.

   5. RWRon White6:26

      You know, go to California, you know. You-

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:28

      It's just, uh, I just feel like, uh, you know, people wanna throw away everything that's there. They would just wanna d- break it all down and deconstruct society, but they don't really- I mean, their, their plan once they do that, like you, you saw what happened with, uh, that six block chunk of Seattle that they took over, Chaz.

   7. RWRon White6:46

      Of course. Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:47

      It deteriorated almost instantly and became a, a terribly run country.

   9. RWRon White6:51

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:52

       They had borders. They had people beating people up for film and things. I mean, they had murders. They-

   11. RWRon White6:57

       They were thinking about walls. Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:59

       Yes. They took over too. Not only that, they appropriated all the buildings. They didn't build those buildings. They just took it over. But the problem with that kind of thinking is even if you think you're right, you- what you're doing, now someone can do that to you because you've already shown that it can be done.

   13. RWRon White7:13

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       You've already shown that you could just-

   15. RWRon White7:15

       No doubt.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:15

       ... by force, you can light the fucking mayor of Portland's apartment building on fire and stand out and chant. Well, they could do that to your house too.

   17. RWRon White7:21

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:22

       You gotta understand, like, what you're doing is not nice. It's not civilized. It's not polite. This is a civilized society.

   19. RWRon White7:29

       Sure is.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:30

       And if you decide that you're gonna do things that are not civilized and you're gonna justify it, people can do things that are not civilized to you. Like, the Founding Fathers, as crazy as it is, in the 1700s, figured this shit out in advance. They had a whole series of checks and balances to keep things from going sideways. They really had some good ideas. It's really amazing when you stop and think about their great insight into human nature and how it could apply.

   21. RWRon White7:53

       And, and where it might go, right?

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:54

       They were right. They were right.

   23. RWRon White7:56

       Yeah. Now, you know, when we were having protests and, uh, and vandalism and whatever in Beverly Hills, and they were saying that, uh, the next, uh, you know, they're coming to tear you apart, town apart, you know?

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:08

       Yeah.

   25. RWRon White8:08

       I really didn't think they would, but I still had a, uh, retired Navy SEAL standing in front of my house (laughs) uh, with a gun. And, uh, his message was, "Why don't you go fuck up the house next door to Ron and, uh-" (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:24

       (laughs)

   27. RWRon White8:24

       "... and leave Ron's place alone?" Of course-

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:25

       Well, it's just these young people with these idealistic ideas about people that are successful, that somehow or another you've stolen it from other people and that you need to give it back to everyone else and we need to have a communist society. And it's like, how-

   29. RWRon White8:37

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:37

       Where's the money coming from? Where- who's gonna work? What are you gonna do? Have you thought this through?
5. 10:21 – 11:49

   Comedian identity, road life, and the price of success (divorce and money math)

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:21

      We were talking about divorce outside. (laughs)

   2. RWRon White10:24

      Oh, yeah. Okay.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:24

      Outside, you were talking about how you've been fucked over.

   4. RWRon White10:26

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:26

      And I said, "If I could just go back in time when you were broke," and I said, "Ron, in the year 2020, you will have been fucked out of millions of dollars in divorce."

   6. RWRon White10:35

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:35

      And you'd be like, "Well, fuck, man."

   8. RWRon White10:37

      How much-

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:37

      "How much did I make?" (laughs)

   10. RWRon White10:39

       "How did I- how did I get all that money?"

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:40

       (laughs)

   12. RWRon White10:40

       "Where'd it come from? Do I have any left after this?"

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:44

       "How am I doing?"

   14. RWRon White10:45

       Yeah. So yeah, and it was, it was two women, and, uh, and altogether w- with lawyers and all in for 10- probably 10 million bucks, and-

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:55

       Woo.

   16. RWRon White10:55

       Ouch. And, uh-

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:57

       Woo.

   18. RWRon White10:57

       After tax money, you know, that-

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:59

       Woo.

   20. RWRon White10:59

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:59

       So that's $20 million in real world dollars.

   22. RWRon White11:02

       It's, uh, something like that.

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:03

       (sighs) Amazing.

   24. RWRon White11:04

       And, uh, well, you know, if you're, if you're making dollars at the box office, you know, you're, uh, you're really only putting about 28 cents out of every dollar in a bank account that you could spend. And so you got a big chunk going to taxes and managers and agents and travel and all that stuff. So-

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:21

       And you're trying to have fun.

   26. RWRon White11:22

       And trying to have a good time, so-

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:24

       Hey, you're not squirreling money away for divorce.

   28. RWRon White11:26

       (laughs) Well, it turns out I was.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:29

       (laughs)

   30. RWRon White11:29

       I thought it was retirement, but, uh, now it turns out, you know, I, I really, I really believe that I'm retired. I believe I'm done.
6. 11:49 – 23:17

   COVID kills the tour: canceled shows, partial reopenings, and the risk of spreading it

   1. RWRon White11:49

      I haven't even thought about a set in, in a half a year, you know. They, they tapped on my bus in, uh, the parking lot of a venue, uh, in, uh, Springfield, uh, Illinois. And, uh, the parking lot was half full. You know, I'd flown out from LA, got on my tour bus in, uh, in, uh, St. Louis.... my crew's with me, the crowd showing up, they knock on the door and said it's over.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:15

      Wow.

   3. RWRon White12:15

      And the government just, uh, the governor just pulled the plug on this date, and then they plugged it on the next date. And I'm like, "Fuck, there's not gonna be any shows till May, I bet."

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:25

      (laughs)

   5. RWRon White12:26

      (laughs) And boy, was I wrong.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:28

      It's, right now we're in September.

   7. RWRon White12:30

      Yes. It is September.

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:31

      And there's no shows in sight. Well, you can go some places. Uh, Houston's doing shows, San Antonio's doing shows.

   9. RWRon White12:38

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:38

       Nashville's doing shows. Kansas City's doing shows. A lot of places are like, "Fuck it, let's roll, let's just do it."

   11. RWRon White12:45

       Yeah. But you know, the, you know, Zanies in Nashville, uh, Hugley fucking collapsed on stage there. And he had-

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:51

       Yeah.

   13. RWRon White12:51

       ... COVID, and-

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:52

       Yeah.

   15. RWRon White12:52

       ... the guy that ran the club, uh, got COVID from him and...

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:56

       He got it from Hugley?

   17. RWRon White12:57

       Yeah, from Hugley. Well, he got it, so we're assuming-

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:00

       Yeah.

   19. RWRon White13:00

       ... it was from Hugley.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:00

       Maybe he ga- maybe he gave it to him.

   21. RWRon White13:02

       Yeah, well that could have gone the other way.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:04

       Yeah.

   23. RWRon White13:04

       Except for Hugley collapsed, and then he came up positive three days later.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:08

       Who, whoever Hugley's road manager is, props to that guy, 'cause he saw it coming and caught him.

   25. RWRon White13:13

       Yeah. Right. So, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:14

       I mean that guy-

   27. RWRon White13:14

       Didn't let him hit the floor. Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:15

       ... on the fucking... 'Cause if he hits the fall, floor, man, he's got brain damage, right?

   29. RWRon White13:19

       Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:19

       If you fall from that... If you fall from a sitting position and-
7. 23:17 – 29:24

   Road trip diary: Vegas, Sedona ‘energy,’ and protecting Ron’s mom

   1. RWRon White23:17

      Right. Well, that's what... You know, I was telling you that my girlfriend and I, I was gonna move, uh, this... I bought a new car for her out in LA and I wanted to move the car that was out there out here so we decided to just drive it. So we stopped in Vegas and, uh, stayed at the Bellagio. And I've always worked at The Mirage and I found out that outside The Mirage, I'm nobody (laughs) even with the MGM Grand folks. And so it was kind of just... You know, a week before we got there, people were going, "Who's got the keys to this thing, man? How do you turn those lights on?"

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:52

      Oh, right. Yeah.

   3. RWRon White23:52

      We fired those people. Uh, we gotta get them back because we don't know how to do this.

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:56

      Yeah, those casinos have basically shut down for months at a time.

   5. RWRon White23:59

      Yeah and they were...

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:59

      Furloughed everybody.

   7. RWRon White24:00

      And those are monster complicated fucking properties.

   8. JRJoe Rogan24:03

      Yeah, yeah.

   9. RWRon White24:04

      And, uh, then we went to, uh... We, we did some gambling, we ate some decent food and no shows or anything and we were there for three days and it was great. Played golf and...... and, uh, but we just stayed to ourselves. And we won some money playing blackjack and went and, uh, spent it immediately on caviar and champagne. And, uh, like, "Look what we won." (laughs) "This is great." And we went to Sedona, uh, and, uh, Sedona is... You've been to Sedona, Arizona?

   10. JRJoe Rogan24:33

       Mm-hmm.

   11. RWRon White24:33

       It's like-

   12. JRJoe Rogan24:34

       Hippie land.

   13. RWRon White24:34

       Yeah. It's-

   14. JRJoe Rogan24:35

       It's all crystals-

   15. RWRon White24:35

       But it's gorgeous.

   16. JRJoe Rogan24:36

       ... and faith healers.

   17. RWRon White24:37

       Just beautiful.

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:38

       It is beautiful.

   19. RWRon White24:39

       Oh, it's like, it's stunning. I mean, it... Every direction you look, it's, it-

   20. JRJoe Rogan24:43

       Why does it attract so many flaky people, though?

   21. RWRon White24:45

       They say it's because of some kind of a vibe-

   22. JRJoe Rogan24:49

       Energy.

   23. RWRon White24:49

       ... that it has.

   24. JRJoe Rogan24:50

       Mm-hmm.

   25. RWRon White24:50

       Energy or whatever.

   26. JRJoe Rogan24:51

       Yeah.

   27. RWRon White24:52

       And, uh, we were staying in this, you know, it's kind of a five-star resort and it was down on this river with these little cabins and this beautiful river, Wolf whatever, Oak Creek or whatever it is, and cuts through these huge canyons and, and, uh, you could take these Adirondack chairs and put them in the river and just sit in this beautiful, clear running river with... And, and just sit out there and relax and let the world go by and breathe. And it was really, really nice. And, uh, I told Jeanne, I said, "You know what we could do?" 'Cause we had, our... We were... Made kind of last minute reservations so we had the littlest cabin furthest from the river. But there was a little house right on the river. I don't know what they charged for it but it was cool as shit. And I said, "You know what we could do? We could pool our money and just rent this place and we'll just live here-

   28. JRJoe Rogan25:45

       Forever.

   29. RWRon White25:45

       ... until we're broke. Until it's all... Or there's... The money's gone, we've run up a tab, we can't pay it, we just... Hey, I'll tell them there's money coming, we've already spent millions here. And, uh, then when the cops are wading into the river to drag us out and throw us off the property, we'll shoot ourselves and just float dead." And she was like, "What?" (laughs) I'm like-

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:05

       (laughs)
8. 29:24 – 32:47

   Vitamin D, supplements, sleep, and the tequila clock finally runs out

   1. JRJoe Rogan29:24

      You taking your vitamin D?

   2. RWRon White29:26

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan29:26

      Okay. Well, you gotta take vitamin D. It's very important. There was a, an article that was just published recently that I put on my Twitter page, um, that-

   4. RWRon White29:33

      I don't, I don't read your Twitter page.

   5. JRJoe Rogan29:35

      You sh-

   6. RWRon White29:35

      But-

   7. JRJoe Rogan29:35

      You don't have to but I'll, I'll send you the things-

   8. RWRon White29:37

      Okay.

   9. JRJoe Rogan29:37

      ... directly that are important.

   10. RWRon White29:38

       All right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan29:38

       But, uh, this was, uh, talking about vitamin C and people that, uh, get COVID and wind up in the ICU. And vitamin, vitamin D rather. Vitamin D seems to be the, the biggest factor. That people, um... One of the things, uh, Dr. Rhonda Patrick talked about on the podcast too is that more than 80% of the people in the ICU are deficient in vitamin D and only 4% had sufficient levels of vitamin D. Vitamin D has a significant impact on your immune system and most people don't get it. You probably get a good amount because you're out in the sun golfing a lot but probably not quite enough.

   12. RWRon White30:13

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:13

       And you should almost always supplement.

   14. RWRon White30:15

       Yeah, my, you know, my doctor said something. I just had all my tests done the other day and, and, uh, he said that you need to bo- boost your, um-... vitamin D, that's what he said.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       Yeah. Everybody does.

   16. RWRon White30:24

       And, uh, yeah, right. So-

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:25

       Humans aren't supposed to live in this little fucking red spaceship. We're supposed to be outside in the world.

   18. RWRon White30:30

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       I mean, this is how we evolved.

   20. RWRon White30:31

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       We evolved to be outside all the time. We didn't evolve to be indoor creatures. So our bodies are designed to absorb vitamin D from the sun. I mean, that's, uh, that's how we create vitamin D in our body.

   22. RWRon White30:44

       Right. And I think you're right. I do sp- I, I do spend an awful lot of time outside, so that... But I'm, uh, you know, I need to get on a program, that's for sure, you know.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       Are you willing? I'll put you on a program.

   24. RWRon White30:55

       I'm willing. I'm willing-

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       I'll get you some vitamins.

   26. RWRon White30:56

       ... to be on a program. Yeah. A- do you take a d- ton of vitamins?

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       I take a lot of shit.

   28. RWRon White31:02

       E- even though you're-

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       (clears throat)

   30. RWRon White31:04

       Do you, and y- and you believe it's all good and that it's-
9. 32:47 – 40:19

   Microdosing mushrooms: ‘sparkle’ days, vet PTSD claims, and a disastrous early trip

   1. RWRon White32:47

      I was also gonna bring some shrooms, but I decided not to.

   2. JRJoe Rogan32:51

      Oh. Are you, uh, still microdosing?

   3. RWRon White32:53

      You know, it-

   4. JRJoe Rogan32:55

      Did it stop working?

   5. RWRon White32:56

      No, it didn't stop working. I, the, the guy I was getting it from went to prison, and, uh, so...

   6. JRJoe Rogan33:01

      For mushrooms?

   7. RWRon White33:02

      I don't know. (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan33:03

      What are the odds?

   9. RWRon White33:04

      Yeah, right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan33:04

       (laughs)

   11. RWRon White33:04

       I don't know. Yeah, I guess, I think that's exactly what happened.

   12. JRJoe Rogan33:08

       Who the fuck is putting someone in jail for mushrooms? That guy should go to jail.

   13. RWRon White33:12

       Yeah. It's, you know, he was a door guy in a club, and, uh, but he was really doing it because, you know, he knew a lot of vets that had, you know, PTSD, and, and they, and people were feeling like hallucinogens were, you know, making a connection for some-

   14. JRJoe Rogan33:28

       Yeah.

   15. RWRon White33:28

       ... of these guys. And-

   16. JRJoe Rogan33:30

       Particularly microdosing.

   17. RWRon White33:31

       Yeah, microdosing. That's what I... And that's what I was doing unless there was a concert to go to, and then I was maxo-dosing.

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:37

       Well, I ran into you at the green room at the Comedy Store, and you, you were like, "I found this thing that's fucking amazing. I'm just microdosing."

   19. RWRon White33:45

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan33:45

       "I guess I'm on medication."

   21. RWRon White33:46

       Puts a little sparkle in your-

   22. JRJoe Rogan33:48

       Yeah.

   23. RWRon White33:48

       ... in your day, and, and, uh, so I, you know, and I still do it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan33:51

       You described it as wonderful.

   25. RWRon White33:53

       Wonderful.

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:53

       I go, "How are you feeling?" "Oh, it's wonderful. It's wonderful."

   27. RWRon White33:57

       Take the drugs and go to the concert, you know. Have fun, you know, just get my lazy ass off the ground.

   28. JRJoe Rogan34:01

       But the microdosing, it's j- it's like, it's just enough to feel it, right?

   29. RWRon White34:06

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan34:06

       It's just like, you just, you're just enough to feel it. You just, just enough to take the edge off of life.
10. 40:19 – 47:54

    Texas freedom and the brutal history behind it: Comanches, Rangers, and revolvers

    1. JRJoe Rogan40:19

       Yeah. The thing, the thing about having a place like this is you gotta kinda let people do, like, one of the things that I love about Texas is the fact that it's so wild. That you could do a lot of shit here. You could do crazy, like, I looked at a ranch and I said, "What if I wanted to put a comedy club on this ranch? Is there any rules?" They go, "No. No, go ahead."

    2. RWRon White40:39

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan40:39

       They were like, "Go ahead." I go, "What about a shooting range?" They're like, "Okay."

    4. RWRon White40:41

       Oh, yeah, of course.

    5. JRJoe Rogan40:42

       "Fine."

    6. RWRon White40:43

       "Yeah, bring it."

    7. JRJoe Rogan40:43

       Like, do whatever the fuck you want. Put a fence around, shoot every animal you have.

    8. RWRon White40:46

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan40:47

       Like, they don't care.

    10. RWRon White40:48

        Kill 'em all. Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan40:48

        It's, it's, it's freedom.

    12. RWRon White40:50

        It is. It is. It's freedom.

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:52

        Yeah.

    14. RWRon White40:53

        And, um, and I, I, I enjoy, you know, I'm, I'm, uh, socially, uh, pretty liberal but physically pretty conservative and-

    15. JRJoe Rogan41:01

        Yeah, me too.

    16. RWRon White41:02

        ... and, uh, so I've, uh, I, uh, and, uh, and, and, you know, I, I just lean that way. And so, I, I, I hope that Texas, you know, leans that way too, you know. Uh, I don't know that it ever will, but, uh, you know, I, I, I, I love the, the freedom of Texas and, uh, and I, and I love calling myself a Texan, you know. It's a, was a sovereign nation at one time. We can fly our flag as high as the US flag. No other state can because they weren't a sovereign nation.

    17. JRJoe Rogan41:35

        Is that real?

    18. RWRon White41:35

        That's true.

    19. JRJoe Rogan41:36

        You, you, you could fly the Texas flag-

    20. RWRon White41:38

        At the same height.

    21. JRJoe Rogan41:38

        ... as the only, as the only flag?

    22. RWRon White41:40

        Yep. Yep.

    23. JRJoe Rogan41:41

        Do you know why, uh, this place is so crazy? Do you know the whole history of why it's so different than anywhere else?

    24. RWRon White41:47

        Why Austin or Texas?

    25. JRJoe Rogan41:48

        Just Texas in general.

    26. RWRon White41:49

        Because it was its own country.

    27. JRJoe Rogan41:51

        'Cause of the Comanches.

    28. RWRon White41:52

        Oh, the Comanches. (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan41:53

        It's really what it is.

    30. RWRon White41:54

        Oh, okay. Well, all right.
11. 47:54 – 1:00:40

    Why Joe left LA: looting, homelessness, economic stress, and politician hypocrisy

    1. RWRon White47:54

       I forget about your platform and how many people it reaches. I know the first time I did your, uh, podcast, I had no idea how big it was. You just asked me to come do it and I was driving down there going, "I can't believe I said I would do this." And I had no idea.

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:08

       (laughs)

    3. RWRon White48:08

       And then I fucking hit a curb while I was pulling in and busted a tire and I'm like, "Goddamn it." And then it turns out it was the biggest thing I've ever done in my career, was your podcast. More people saw that than anything. And I got more people coming up to me, "I saw you on Rogan, I saw you on Rogan, I saw you on Rogan." I'm like, "Goddamn, how many people are watching this fucking thing?"

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:29

       I remember you grabbed me at the comedy store afterward and you go, "I had no fucking idea."

    5. RWRon White48:32

       I had no idea. No idea. Nobody told me.

    6. JRJoe Rogan48:35

       (laughs)

    7. RWRon White48:35

       You know? You didn't tell me. You just ... I just knew you had a podcast. And, uh, turns out, you know, turned out to be a hell of a gig.

    8. JRJoe Rogan48:43

       Well, the thing is it seems like it's not, right? 'Cause it's just you and me here hanging out.

    9. RWRon White48:47

       (coughs)

    10. JRJoe Rogan48:47

        You know? It seems like it's ... It seems-... seems like it's just us.

    11. RWRon White48:51

        Yeah, right. Shooting the shit.

    12. JRJoe Rogan48:52

        This is how we would do if we were at the back bar of the Comedy Store.

    13. RWRon White48:55

        Exactly the same thing. And that's why when I watch it, you know, I, I watched one the other day with you and, uh, Whitney Cummings and-

    14. JRJoe Rogan49:02

        Andy Letterman. (laughs)

    15. RWRon White49:03

        Yeah. And that was really good.

    16. JRJoe Rogan49:04

        Those girls are awesome.

    17. RWRon White49:05

        Oh, they were so funny.

    18. JRJoe Rogan49:07

        Those girls are so funny.

    19. RWRon White49:08

        Did I tell you about, uh, about, uh, (laughs) Whitney's pig?

    20. JRJoe Rogan49:12

        Yes.

    21. RWRon White49:13

        Uh, yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan49:13

        She drove it all the way to Texas to a fucking pig sanctuary.

    23. RWRon White49:16

        And I met it.

    24. JRJoe Rogan49:17

        Did you meet it?

    25. RWRon White49:18

        Uh, yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan49:19

        You got pictures?

    27. RWRon White49:19

        Oh, yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan49:21

        (laughs)

    29. RWRon White49:21

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan49:23

        (imitates snorting)
12. 1:00:40 – 1:14:15

    UFO probability wars: Fravor, Bob Lazar, DeJoria’s certainty, and the Whitney pig detour

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       Or the aliens land. I've been thinking the aliens-

    2. RWRon White1:00:43

       You-

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       ... are coming, by the way.

    4. RWRon White1:00:44

       You know, I- I was talking to a buddy of mine the other day, a- another billionaire. I got a few billionaire buddies, and, uh-

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

       Look at you.

    6. RWRon White1:00:51

       I know.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       It's a good move.

    8. RWRon White1:00:52

       I (laughs) I know, really.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       Yeah.

    10. RWRon White1:00:53

        I think I'm sucking up to them for a reason.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

        They'll- they'll- they'll tell you in advance with- what's about to happen.

    12. RWRon White1:00:58

        Well, uh, and, uh, well- well- well, this one ...... this guy, a particular guy, is, uh, uh, really, really, really smart and, uh, he, he has no doubt in his mind whatsoever that, uh, aliens are, uh, dancing among us. And, uh-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

        I think he's right. Pass me one of them little baby cigars, Ron White. I love those things. I'm getting addicted to them.

    14. RWRon White1:01:21

        The white one or the dark one?

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

        Oh, there's different colors?

    16. RWRon White1:01:23

        Well, there's this one.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

        Oh, that's not a cigar.

    18. RWRon White1:01:26

        Right?

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

        I know what the fuck that is.

    20. RWRon White1:01:27

        That's a CDB. Uh-

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:29

        Oh.

    22. RWRon White1:01:29

        ... one of those things-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:30

        Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    24. RWRon White1:01:30

        ... that we were talking about earlier.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

        Give me some of that light. Mm. Thank you, sir. Yeah. I'm convinced. (lighter clicks) (exhales) I'm 100% convinced. (lighter clicks) I used to be, uh, 60%.

    26. RWRon White1:01:46

        And you're up to 100?

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:47

        Yeah, I talked to Commander Fravor-

    28. RWRon White1:01:49

        Uh, let me tell you this.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:49

        ... David Fravor.

    30. RWRon White1:01:50

        The, uh, uh ... At one time in my life I could do, uh, 75 pushups and I'm down to three. (exhales) All right. Go ahead.

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