Joe Rogan Experience #1535 - Tim Kennedy

1. 0:00 – 1:35

   Intro

   1. NANarrator0:02

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) What's going on?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      (laughs)

   5. TKTim Kennedy0:14

      (laughs) Well, I c- I c- I've, of course, come bearing gifts to two new Texans, so that's, that's a separate thing. Um, but I, I did... I was at the range working, and I was wearing a Hawaiian shirt. It wasn't even a Hawaiian shirt. I had bought it in Czech Republic and, uh... But it looked like a Hawaiian shirt. And in the comments section, I was in body armor, I had my gun, I was literally working, everybody was like, "Oh, my gosh, you're wearing a Hawaiian shirt. Oh, you're part of this super extremist, like, white supremist group." And I was like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:44

      What?

   7. TKTim Kennedy0:44

      ... "I'm wearing a Hawaiian shirt."

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:46

      (laughs)

   9. TKTim Kennedy0:46

      I... And they start, like, freaking out, like, cancel culture. And I was like, "I bought that... It doesn't matter where I bought it, but now... Because you're telling me I'm not supposed to wear it." Because I guess Hawaiian shirts are w- for a... Uniform for white supremacists now.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Oh, God. Please google this. This is a new thing.

   11. TKTim Kennedy1:00

       Yeah. (sighs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       What?

   13. TKTim Kennedy1:01

       Yep.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Hawaiian shirts are white supremacists?

   15. TKTim Kennedy1:03

       Yeah. Can't do it. So, of course, the first thing I did was, like, buy every Hawaiian shirt (fingers snap) I can possibly find, just because I'm not supposed to, you know?

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       I... Who the fuck is saying this? I need to see this. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. How can a Hawaiian shirt be white supremacist? It's-

   17. TKTim Kennedy1:18

       I don't think there's any logic ever attached to any of these things.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       No.

   19. TKTim Kennedy1:22

       But, um, like, the Boog- I think, like, the Boogaloo Bros-

   20. NANarrator1:25

       Yeah, so that's what the Wall Street Journal says, why the extremist Boogaloo Boys wear Hawaiian shirts.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       Pl- Please put that up on the screen.

   22. TKTim Kennedy1:32

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       I need to see this fucking nonsense. What? Oh, my God, this

2. 1:35 – 4:27

   Aloha Shirts

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:35

      is real. "Why the extremist Boogaloo Boys wear Hawaiian-"

   2. TKTim Kennedy1:38

      I'm not joking. That, the f-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:39

      Oh, my God. "Aloha shirts have become a disconcerting signature for members of a gun-toting, anti-government..." What does it say? You made it a little too big.

   4. TKTim Kennedy1:47

      "I work for the government," so...

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:49

      Faction.

   6. TKTim Kennedy1:50

      Does, does that cancel this?

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:51

      Oh, my God. "In the past couple weeks, following the killing of George Floyd, curiously dressed counter-protestors have attended scattered demonstrations across the US armed and disconcertingly garbed in Magnum PI-style floral Hawaiian shirts." Magnum PI is pretty fucking American.

   8. TKTim Kennedy2:08

      He... Yeah, it's pretty epic. Three things here. They're really comfortable.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:12

      Yeah.

   10. TKTim Kennedy2:12

       Floral- floral's a great pattern, and they're very breathable, and you can... And on the range, I, I like to do the top button thing and pop a collar so you don't get hot brass down your neck.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:20

       Oh.

   12. TKTim Kennedy2:20

       'Cause when we're shooting a ton.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       Yeah.

   14. TKTim Kennedy2:21

       So it's like a, uh, don't get burned, don't wanna be a redneck, you know?

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:24

       Yeah.

   16. TKTim Kennedy2:25

       Like, I hate white supremacists, but-

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:27

       What's wrong with Hawaiian shirts?

   18. TKTim Kennedy2:28

       I don't know.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:29

       We can't let them take away Hawaiian shirts.

   20. TKTim Kennedy2:30

       No, that's the exact point that I'm-

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:31

       Yeah.

   22. TKTim Kennedy2:31

       ... that I'm trying to... Is, like, you tell me the things that I'm not supposed to do, and I'm gonna do those things, because I'm not gonna let you take those things from me. Like-

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:39

       There they are, "Far-right Boogaloo movement is using Hawaiian shirts to hide its intentions."

   24. TKTim Kennedy2:43

       Oh, that's a Chubby's shirt. The dude right there on the far right?

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       Mm-hmm.

   26. TKTim Kennedy2:47

       I, I have that shirt.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       Oh, they're wearing the shirts to hide their intentions.

   28. TKTim Kennedy2:51

       What?

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       Oh, Christ.

   30. TKTim Kennedy2:52

       No, they wear them because they're comfortable and they're breathable and they're s-... And this one's stretchy.
3. 4:27 – 6:25

   The Thumbs Up

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:27

   2. TKTim Kennedy4:27

      Yep.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:27

      4chan was just preten-... In Iran, Greece, Russia, Sardinia, and parts of West Africa, the thumbs up is as rude as the middle finger is-

   4. TKTim Kennedy4:34

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:35

      ... in the UK, so no posing in front of the Parthenon making the thumbs up gesture like a nerdy tourist.

   6. TKTim Kennedy4:41

      Oh, God.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:42

      I'm doing it. If I go there, I'm gonna do that, for sure. 100%.

   8. TKTim Kennedy4:46

      I'm gonna go there, I'm... Yeah. I'm in West Africa a bunch, and, um, we're, um... This, this is, this is okay.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:52

      Okay.

   10. TKTim Kennedy4:52

       Yeah. And there's only Black people there.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       Yeah.

   12. TKTim Kennedy4:54

       So nobody's getting mad at my okay symbol.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       They probably do it, too. I've got a picture-

   14. TKTim Kennedy4:59

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       ... of Beyonce doing it. I saved a bunch of pictures of, uh, Black folks doing the okay symbol and I was, uh, sending it to my friends.

   16. TKTim Kennedy5:06

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       People were saying that there's something wrong with the, the okay. I'm like, "You can't take away-"

   18. TKTim Kennedy5:11

       There's nothing wrong.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:11

       ... "something that's been around forever-"

   20. TKTim Kennedy5:12

       No.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       "... that just means okay." B-... And the whole... The, the thing about there were some people that were doing it, like, upside down.

   22. TKTim Kennedy5:20

       So that's a military thing.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:21

       Oh, okay.

   24. TKTim Kennedy5:22

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       Explain that.

   26. TKTim Kennedy5:23

       Um, it's an asshole. This is an asshole. So the game is, um, at any moment, you know, we're, we're talking over here, you know, they'll be like, "Oh, man, I hurt my leg down here." And if you look at it, I gotcha, and I get to flick you in the dick.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:38

       Really?

   28. TKTim Kennedy5:38

       Yeah. So, like, pop.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:40

       Wait a minute. If you say-

   30. TKTim Kennedy5:41

       But you can cancel it if you can get your finger in there.
4. 6:25 – 7:25

   West Point

   1. NANarrator6:25

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:25

      But do you remember-

   3. NANarrator6:26

      ... alternative meaning to it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:26

      ... when those cops-

   5. NANarrator6:27

      Uh-huh. That's what I'm saying.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:27

      ... they all got in trouble because they were taking a picture? And everyone's saying these cops are doing the white power thing.

   7. NANarrator6:32

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:33

      But you're saying that's not what that is at all.

   9. TKTim Kennedy6:35

      No. So West Point, at one of the recent graduations, I think Trump spoke there. Um, a bunch of the West Point graduates were doing that symbol.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:43

       'Cause of the W and the P.

   11. TKTim Kennedy6:44

       Yeah. Well, that's what the, the article was like, "Oh, no, a bunch of white supremacists are graduating from West Point." And so there's a huge military inves- investigation. I mean, Pentagon sending people out to, to research this, and they're like, "Oh, shoot. It's them playing an asshole game."

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:02

       (laughs)

   13. TKTim Kennedy7:02

       This is, this is actually not better because now (laughs) the, our West Point, the most prestigious military academy, our graduates are playing, their senior year at a Trump graduation, the asshole game.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       And the asshole game has consequences, and those are dick slaps.

   15. TKTim Kennedy7:17

       Yep, that's right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:17

       (laughs)

   17. TKTim Kennedy7:18

       Unless you get your finger in there, and then you're safe.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:20

       That's so fucking ridiculous.

   19. TKTim Kennedy7:22

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:22

       Oh.

   21. TKTim Kennedy7:23

       We have to, we have to, like,

5. 7:25 – 10:03

   Retractions

   1. TKTim Kennedy7:25

      amuse ourselves.

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:26

      Well, the problem is with someone being able to write an article like that and say this is a white power symbol, and then all of a sudden these people get labeled as white supremacists. And then there's no repercussion-

   3. TKTim Kennedy7:35

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:35

      ... because once the article's out there, even if you have a retraction, the art- the original article's still out.

   5. TKTim Kennedy7:40

      And the damage is done.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:41

      Done. Done.

   7. TKTim Kennedy7:42

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:42

      And those guys are labeled as white supremacists when they're really just dorks.

   9. TKTim Kennedy7:45

      Yeah. Have you ever read a retraction?

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:48

       Not one.

   11. TKTim Kennedy7:48

       No?

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:49

       No. I don't believe I have.

   13. TKTim Kennedy7:50

       No.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:51

       I mean, maybe someone's showed me one a couple times, but the- when, when someone gets accused of something like that, it's a pretty heinous thing. Like, you're, your retraction's not gonna reach the same amount of people.

   15. TKTim Kennedy8:02

       No. I would be enraged if somebody was like, "Hey, you're a white supremacist because you did this thing." And I was like, "No, I'm not a white supremacist and, um, that thing is an asshole." Um, like, how are we gonna e-

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:14

       Yeah.

   17. TKTim Kennedy8:14

       ... equal this out here?

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:16

       They, they should be sued.

   19. TKTim Kennedy8:16

       'Cause that's, that's not forgivable.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:17

       They should be sued.

   21. TKTim Kennedy8:18

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:18

       It's like you're doing some, some irreparable damage to someone. It's just so weird today. Everyone is just like, I've, I can't imagine a time where people are more outraged about more things.

   23. TKTim Kennedy8:30

       Yeah, I, I, I really think it's just... You say more people, but I really just think it's a small percentage of people that-

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:37

       Yeah.

   25. TKTim Kennedy8:37

       ... are always outraged-

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       Yeah.

   27. TKTim Kennedy8:38

       ... on both sides all the time. And I-

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:40

       But they have an opportunity to talk about it more now.

   29. TKTim Kennedy8:42

       Yeah. Be- we're all connected and they can-

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:44

       Yeah.
6. 10:03 – 11:16

   Comedy

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:03

      are.

   2. TKTim Kennedy10:03

      You are. I mean-

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:03

      Yeah, you are.

   4. TKTim Kennedy10:03

      ... I know you think that comedians ch- should be allowed, as, as I do. I think comedy is, um, the best way to address socially sensitive issues.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:13

      Yeah.

   6. TKTim Kennedy10:13

      Like if you can't... One of the things about the military is there's a lot of dark humor and people kind of look at us as these scarred, um, damaged people because of that humor. But the truth is, like, we're able to talk about those things through this humor. And whether it's like a release for post-traumatic stress or just how we're able to get to the next day, how we're able to go and do some of the things that we do, it's because we're allowed to joke and laugh-

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:36

      Of course.

   8. TKTim Kennedy10:36

      ... and burn that stuff off these sensitive times. And I think that's what comedy does to these socially charged issues.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:43

      Yes.

   10. TKTim Kennedy10:44

       And, um, you know, JP Sears, uh, long haired kind of hippie YouTuber, he, he has been recently kind of attacking how comedians can't make jokes right now and how everything, um, has been charged. And there's not a way, like you can't make racist, sexist, um, jokes or political jokes whatsoever, uh, w- without being canceled. And I was like, "That's the best time to do

7. 11:16 – 12:00

   Comedy is dangerous

   1. TKTim Kennedy11:16

      it."

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:16

      Yeah. Ari Shaffir had the best quote about that. He said, "This is a great time for comedy 'cause comedy's actually dangerous again."

   3. TKTim Kennedy11:23

      Ah, that's cool.

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:24

      It's actually dangerous now.

   5. TKTim Kennedy11:25

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:25

      Whereas like five years ago, you would say something, people didn't like it, they didn't come see you.

   7. TKTim Kennedy11:28

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:29

      Now they're, they'll attack.

   9. TKTim Kennedy11:31

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       And you have consequences. But I think you just have to structure your bits better. You have to, you have to treat them... Like, uh, Doug Stanhope has a great quote that he was talking to me about. He said, "I go over my bits like I'm a defense attorney." Like I, I, like I am, I'm going over my bits like I'm being prosecuted for, with, you know, some, someone's using the, the bit against me. And so I have to figure it out like a defense attorney.

   11. TKTim Kennedy11:53

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:53

       I'm like, "That's a great way of looking at it."

   13. TKTim Kennedy11:55

       Yeah, but what a horrible approach in the process to...

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:59

       It is and it isn't

8. 12:00 – 15:17

   How to make a joke bulletproof

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:00

      because he writes the joke first and then he figures out how to make it bulletproof, you know?

   2. TKTim Kennedy12:03

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:03

      Well, I, I have... My method is usually I shit on myself so hard that by the time that I get to shitting on someone else-

   4. TKTim Kennedy12:11

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:11

      ... like, I've, I've already figured out, like w- most of my bits that are controversial, they start out with me belittling myself-

   6. TKTim Kennedy12:18

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:18

      ... like in the, the most vicious way I can, like explaining what a fucking idiot I am and then all the dumb shit that I've done that's related to this thing.

   8. TKTim Kennedy12:27

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:27

      And like, when I wanted to make a joke about Caitlyn Jenner, what I talked about was... The first thing I talked about is how living with all women, I have three daughters and my wife, like, I, and then the way I described it was, it's like if my manhood was a mountain of marbles, every day, they'd take two.

   10. TKTim Kennedy12:44

       Ugh.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:45

       Like, you have so many marbles. God, it's every day is snatch a marble, snatch a marble. And my whole bit was getting to... I was want- I wanted to get to people are saying, "He was born a woman. He's always been a woman." I was like, "Maybe." Or-

   12. TKTim Kennedy12:58

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:58

       ... maybe if you live with crazy bitches long enough-

   14. TKTim Kennedy13:02

       All the time.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:02

       ... they, they fucking turn you into one.

   16. TKTim Kennedy13:04

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:04

       Maybe you go crazy. Maybe that too.

   18. TKTim Kennedy13:06

       Especially those ones.

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:07

       Especially those ones.

   20. TKTim Kennedy13:08

       (exhales)

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:08

       And so I had to figure out a way to do... And so I came up with this thing where they're demons and they, they whisper in his ear in the middle of the night and they talk him into being a woman. Like, but it took forever-

   22. TKTim Kennedy13:18

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:18

       ... to figure out a way, but I had, but it worked.

   24. TKTim Kennedy13:20

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       Like it, it worked and people didn't even get mad at me for it. I just had to figure out a way to do it where I, first of all, I belittle myself, and then I explain it in a way where it's not, it's not dehumanizing trans people, it's just, it's like saying, "Are we sure?"

   26. TKTim Kennedy13:36

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:36

       "Are we sure?" We lost a fucking Olympic gold medalist, goddammit.

   28. TKTim Kennedy13:39

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:41

       We, we lost one of our greatest athletes ever.

   30. TKTim Kennedy13:43

       Yeah.
9. 15:17 – 17:22

   Political correctness

   1. TKTim Kennedy15:17

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      I mean, the counter to that though is that when you do get away with it, it makes it even more powerful.

   3. TKTim Kennedy15:22

      A joke.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:22

      Like I'm te- Yeah, I'm telling you, man. The jokes that I've said on stage that are against political correctness that are good-

   5. TKTim Kennedy15:29

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:29

      ... like the way I've figured out a way to weave some of them-

   7. TKTim Kennedy15:31

      Uh-huh.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:32

      ... when they hit, man, they hit like a bomb.

   9. TKTim Kennedy15:34

      Mm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       Like the whole room is like, "Blah." 'Cause like they know... I go, "You know I'm right."

   11. TKTim Kennedy15:38

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       "You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not a bad person. You know what I'm saying?"

   13. TKTim Kennedy15:41

       No.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       Like I have this, this whole chunk that I do on, on banning words. And the whole chunk is like, it took forever to figure out how to manipulate it and get it to this place where it's, you could sneak it in on people and sneak it in on people that would ordinarily say those words in, in polite company and people would... Their assholes would tense up.

   15. TKTim Kennedy16:04

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       But you can get it in. And when you get it in, woo, it's sweet.

   17. TKTim Kennedy16:07

       Yeah. Bam.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       Yeah. But I'm with you, man. You know, I want whiskey to get me drunk. I don't want fake whiskey.

   19. TKTim Kennedy16:13

       Nope.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       Yeah. I'm not interested.

   21. TKTim Kennedy16:14

       Nope.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       I think there should be consequences. I think, I think the best way to combat things that you disagree with is to say how you feel. Not, not to say that person shouldn't be able to say that. That's ridiculous.

   23. TKTim Kennedy16:27

       Yeah, it's dumb.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       I was watching this video yesterday and these guys were just saying dumb shit. They were talking about people getting cloned in China. And this lady goes, "Deplatform that shit. Seriously." She's like, like, "What?"

   25. TKTim Kennedy16:39

       No, I want dumb people to say dumb things.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       Yes.

   27. TKTim Kennedy16:42

       E- especially our poli- our politicians. Like the... I think the art of listening has been lost. Um, one of the best things about, I think, this podcast is that you're a good listener, right? It takes, it takes a decently smart human that has a, a self-confidence and developed interpersonal skills to listen. That's lost in current cu- culture where, um, I, I, I'm gonna get so viscer- vis- viscerally outraged at something that somebody's saying, I can't even hear their point of view. Um, even if that point of view is wrong, you want that person to say that.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       Yeah.

   29. TKTim Kennedy17:13

       And the dumber it is, the more I want them to say it, because the dumber they sound. And the more we collective logical, reasonable person- people are like,

10. 17:22 – 20:03

    Deplatforming

    1. TKTim Kennedy17:22

       "Well, that person's really dumb and his ideas are not gonna work. So let's not follow him anymore." And then we're able to, to through process-

    2. JRJoe Rogan17:34

       Yeah. Or have a counter. "This is what's wrong with what that person said."

    3. TKTim Kennedy17:36

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan17:37

       But the idea you're supposed to deplatform them is just a-

    5. TKTim Kennedy17:39

       It's so bad.

    6. JRJoe Rogan17:40

       It's so stupid because then what if someone thinks that they should deplatform you?

    7. TKTim Kennedy17:44

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan17:44

       And I think you probably should be deplatformed for telling people they should be deplatformed. How about that?

    9. TKTim Kennedy17:48

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan17:48

        If you're the person that... If that's more dangerous than some dummy thinking that they're cloning people in China. And by the way, they might be cloning people in China.

    11. TKTim Kennedy17:54

        (laughs) Just don't know.

    12. JRJoe Rogan17:55

        I mean, who the fuck... Look, they can clone people. We know that. We know-

    13. TKTim Kennedy17:59

        If anybody's gonna do it.

    14. JRJoe Rogan18:00

        Yeah. They're gonna do it. They're probably doing it.

    15. TKTim Kennedy18:02

        China, China would be doing it.

    16. JRJoe Rogan18:02

        They're probably doing it. Look, I mean, it's probably the least of our concerns, you know? I mean, as far as overpopulation goes, I mean, China's trying not to have as many people. They, they mean, they had a w- the whole one child policy forever.

    17. TKTim Kennedy18:15

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan18:15

        It turned out to be disastrous and-... tilted everything extraordinarily male. I mean, I would not be, wanna be a man in China trying to find a woman.

    19. TKTim Kennedy18:24

        No.

    20. JRJoe Rogan18:24

        Right? S- it, it, I mean, I don't know if they've balanced that out yet, but that-

    21. TKTim Kennedy18:27

        No.

    22. JRJoe Rogan18:27

        ... was a real issue for a long time.

    23. TKTim Kennedy18:29

        I wouldn't want to be in China at all.

    24. JRJoe Rogan18:31

        No.

    25. TKTim Kennedy18:32

        Um, because I'm a big fan of not-

    26. JRJoe Rogan18:34

        Freedom.

    27. TKTim Kennedy18:34

        Yeah. (laughs)

    28. JRJoe Rogan18:35

        Yeah. Freedom's nice.

    29. TKTim Kennedy18:36

        Pretty, pretty-

    30. JRJoe Rogan18:36

        It's pretty important.
11. 20:03 – 22:51

    Defund the Police

    1. TKTim Kennedy20:03

    2. JRJoe Rogan20:03

       Yeah. There's (clears throat) , there's this defund the police thing that's going around right now. My friend Matt had this funny thing that happened. He has a son. His son's about 25, I think he said. And, uh, his son, uh, was talking about defunding the police, and he's arguing with him. His son's, you know, real liberal-

    3. TKTim Kennedy20:16

       Mm-hmm.

    4. JRJoe Rogan20:16

       ... and the whole deal. Uh, then his son is staying at the ... They have a beach house, and it's an old house. And the house was making, like, some crazy noises. He ran outside and called his dad, and he said, "There's something going on in the house. I'm gonna call the police." He goes, "I thought you wanted to defund the police."

    5. TKTim Kennedy20:29

       Ugh.

    6. JRJoe Rogan20:29

       He goes, "Now you're de- the fucking house is haunted and you're calling the police?"

    7. TKTim Kennedy20:32

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan20:32

       Well, you went from defund the police to the house is making noise, let me call the cops.

    9. TKTim Kennedy20:38

       Yeah. That's, that's a pretty fast jump. Uh, I mean, that's not only idiotic, it's dangerous and-

    10. JRJoe Rogan20:43

        It's dangerous and stupid, and it's everything. (coughs) It's everything wrong with these ideas that just get propagated online with that no one really thinks through, but then they get... They become a thing that you, if you're cool, you say it.

    11. TKTim Kennedy20:55

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan20:55

        If you're in the right group, you say it. And th- that's what defund the police is.

    13. TKTim Kennedy20:59

        And, and even fighting against those ideas, for some reason, you... Like, if I... I believe def- defunding the police is the dumbest thing you could possibly do. Do I think there might be problems within law enforcement-

    14. JRJoe Rogan21:10

        Yeah.

    15. TKTim Kennedy21:10

        ... that should be addressed? For sure.

    16. JRJoe Rogan21:11

        For sure.

    17. TKTim Kennedy21:12

        Like, how do you fix those?

    18. JRJoe Rogan21:14

        You need funding.

    19. TKTim Kennedy21:14

        You need funding, right? Like, um, I have a school that's underperforming. Kids are not graduating from high school. Do you know what we should do? We should take money from the school and we should give them fewer teachers, and let's see if that's gonna help. No, that's not gonna help. Right? You have to give them more teachers, you have to give them f- more funding, you have to give them more access to information. And then maybe that school starts performing a little better. A, a police department is no... They're s- just humans. Right? They're imperfect. They need training. They need funding. They need support. Right now, they need morale and they need people. Um, y-

    20. JRJoe Rogan21:44

        And they need to get rid of the people that suck.

    21. TKTim Kennedy21:46

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan21:46

        They need those things too, and one of the best ways to do that is through training.

    23. TKTim Kennedy21:49

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan21:49

        You weed people out. You find out who can't cut it. It's what, that's what it's supposed to be for.

    25. TKTim Kennedy21:53

        Yeah. The, the-

    26. JRJoe Rogan21:55

        (coughs)

    27. TKTim Kennedy21:55

        One of the best things about special operations is that there's so much training and process, the refiner's fire, the chaff in the wind. Like, you throw that stuff up and the crap blows away, and the good stuff comes back down. Then you take that stuff and you go and carry it into a fire, and then you heat it, and then you pull it out and you pound it. Then you heat it again and you pound it. Then you heat it and you pound it. And what you're left with at the end is this pretty cool thing. If any of that is, um, like with law enforcement, the- all of those things can only occur through training and, and, like, if you wanna test somebody, if you wanna check, if you wanna find racism, like, having them show up to work for eight hours and letting them hop in a car and run, run out, um, you're never gonna know what's inside of there. The only time that you get access, that you get peeks of that is i- at these stressful, emotionally drained moments.

    28. JRJoe Rogan22:48

        Yes.

    29. TKTim Kennedy22:48

        Right? And the only time that you can create those is through training.

12. 22:51 – 25:45

    Trick or Treating

    1. TKTim Kennedy22:51

    2. JRJoe Rogan22:51

       I've been arguing that we should have that for all of our leaders.

    3. TKTim Kennedy22:54

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan22:54

       Like, when we were talking about the mayor of California-

    5. TKTim Kennedy22:57

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JRJoe Rogan22:57

       ... or the, the mayor of Los Angeles and the governor of California and the people that are deciding you can't trick or treat this year. This is the new thing, the one fucking holiday-

    7. TKTim Kennedy23:05

       (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan23:05

       ... where you have to wear a mask. You're supposed to wear a mask.

    9. TKTim Kennedy23:09

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan23:09

        And they, for whatever reason, they've decided they're gonna save people by stopping little kids, the ones who have the least problem with this disease, from trick-or-treating. It's fucking asinine. It's so dumb. And I think part of it is because the people that are in that position, the people that are in the position of control, they don't have to be tested. They don't have to show their character. They just have to win a popularity contest that no one wants to enter.

    11. TKTim Kennedy23:32

        No.

    12. JRJoe Rogan23:32

        No one wants to be the fucking mayor of LA. Who's, who's entering? No one wants to be the governor of California.

    13. TKTim Kennedy23:37

        I mean, self-

    14. JRJoe Rogan23:37

        How many people?

    15. TKTim Kennedy23:38

        Self-serving people are entering.

    16. JRJoe Rogan23:40

        Yeah.

    17. TKTim Kennedy23:40

        You know, Mayor Adler here in Austin, you know like-

    18. JRJoe Rogan23:42

        Yeah.

    19. TKTim Kennedy23:43

        ... the, the-

    20. JRJoe Rogan23:43

        Same shit.

    21. TKTim Kennedy23:44

        Yeah, just get, get out of here.

    22. JRJoe Rogan23:46

        Yeah.

    23. TKTim Kennedy23:46

        Can ... Is i- is there a public servant that wants to step up, you know? I want Eminem to sing that song where the real public servants step up. There's, there's nobody.

    24. JRJoe Rogan23:54

        Well, they, they, they get so scrutinized and it's such a ruthless business-

    25. TKTim Kennedy23:57

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan23:57

        ... that the only people that you get left are these wishy-washy, milky people.

    27. TKTim Kennedy24:02

        And I, I, I do wish that, you know, political parties were afraid of the people again.

    28. JRJoe Rogan24:06

        Yeah.

    29. TKTim Kennedy24:07

        You know, that, that, that created a really healthy balance where, um, they understand that they are represen- that they represent their constituents and their job is to do what their people want. Um, once they get into this certain level of political power-... they kinda just do whatever they want. They forget that they're supposed to be representing the people. I've never seen California so charged right now against California. Like-

    30. JRJoe Rogan24:34

        Yeah.
13. 25:45 – 28:14

    Freedom

    1. JRJoe Rogan25:45

       So people are just leaving the state.

    2. TKTim Kennedy25:46

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan25:46

       They're like, "Well, I'm gonna go somewhere where I have freedom." And that's why so many people are coming here to Texas.

    4. TKTim Kennedy25:50

       Yeah. Well, they better remember why they left.

    5. JRJoe Rogan25:52

       Exactly. That's important. I wanted to talk to you about that. And I, and I wanna have Texas politicians on too, try to explain what the checks and balances are in the state that have kept it from being fucked up and given it the freedom that it enjoys right now-

    6. TKTim Kennedy26:04

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan26:04

       ... and one of the reasons why people are coming here in the first place.

    8. TKTim Kennedy26:06

       In droves.

    9. JRJoe Rogan26:07

       Yeah, in droves.

    10. TKTim Kennedy26:07

        I mean, like, f- from New York and California, it, I've... I, I argue if you walk downtown Austin, um, if you walked even up north, like, um, Lamar, Parmer and you s- usually, "Hey, where are you from?" Four out of five people are gonna be from California and New York.

    11. JRJoe Rogan26:25

        (laughs)

    12. TKTim Kennedy26:25

        And, like, you're not, you're not from Texas? To include myself, and you-

    13. JRJoe Rogan26:29

        Mm-hmm.

    14. TKTim Kennedy26:29

        ... and you. Like, all, all of us.

    15. JRJoe Rogan26:30

        Where are you from originally?

    16. TKTim Kennedy26:31

        California. Central California. My fa-

    17. JRJoe Rogan26:34

        How'd you get out here?

    18. TKTim Kennedy26:35

        Um, after 9/11 happened, I enlisted. And, you know, Georgia, Fort Bragg deployments, Georgia, Fort Bragg deployments, that cycle. Um, when I was fighting, I, uh... I liked Texas, and I could kinda live anywhere. If I was gonna go to New Mexico and do my training camps. Um, my wife is from the South, so she wanted to live in the South. She's from Louisiana. Um, she took a job... She was a government contractor, so she took a government contracting job here. And, um, you know, it was... We knew we were gonna be in Texas, we didn't know where, and Austin felt like California. So, that's really how we ended up here is, um, they have a special operat- they have a huge... Outside of Fort Bragg, North Carolina, this has the largest group of special operations in, in the entire country.

    19. JRJoe Rogan27:29

        Really?

    20. TKTim Kennedy27:29

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan27:30

        Interesting.

    22. TKTim Kennedy27:30

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan27:31

        How'd that happen?

    24. TKTim Kennedy27:32

        Um, (sighs) I... Texas has the ideals that we kinda stand for. Actually, I have a present for you from the Texas Special Operations community. They're like... Wait a second. So, um, they, uh... Uh, when I say they, they come here in droves, we, we have hundreds of Green Berets in the State of Texas in, from their border patrol workers that are still serving as Green Berets, their police officers, firefighters, uh, work for FBI. But they live in Texas, so they can be Texans that are Green Berets that then have their, their other shenanigan awesome jobs. It's huge.

    25. JRJoe Rogan28:11

        Wow.

    26. TKTim Kennedy28:11

        Yeah. You're surrounded by them.

    27. JRJoe Rogan28:12

        I didn't know.

14. 28:14 – 31:12

    Guns

    1. JRJoe Rogan28:14

       Well, they figured out it's awesome here.

    2. TKTim Kennedy28:16

       Mm-hmm. It is awesome.

    3. JRJoe Rogan28:17

       It's very unusual. I, I almost feel uncomfortable talking about how great it is here.

    4. TKTim Kennedy28:20

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan28:20

       You know?

    6. TKTim Kennedy28:20

       I'm gonna make you uncomfortable in a little bit when I give you a present.

    7. JRJoe Rogan28:23

       Okay. Okay. Give it to me now, fuck it.

    8. TKTim Kennedy28:24

       All right. All right, so we can do this in Texas.

    9. JRJoe Rogan28:27

       Oh, it's a gun.

    10. TKTim Kennedy28:29

        Um-

    11. JRJoe Rogan28:29

        (laughs)

    12. TKTim Kennedy28:29

        Well, these are cigars. I know they're important and it just says, "From the Special Operations Forces. Ƹoppresse le Barrière and range lead the way." It's our motto.

    13. JRJoe Rogan28:37

        All right. Thank you.

    14. TKTim Kennedy28:39

        Liberators of the oppressed.

    15. JRJoe Rogan28:40

        Hmm. Damn, that smells good.

    16. TKTim Kennedy28:45

        All right. One of these is yours and one of these is yours.

    17. JRJoe Rogan28:49

        Oh, Jamie.

    18. TKTim Kennedy28:50

        I have to see which ones. All right, so this one's yours. There's a pocket constitution. So anytime you're like, "Man, what are we supposed to do in this instance?" You can just-

    19. JRJoe Rogan28:57

        A pocket constitution, I love it.

    20. TKTim Kennedy28:59

        Yeah. You just, you just reference real fast.

    21. JRJoe Rogan29:00

        Damn, this smells great.

    22. TKTim Kennedy29:02

        You know, we're talking about the First Amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting any establishment or religion, prohibiting the free exercise thereof, abridging the freedom of speech, press, the right of the people to peacefully assemble, petition the government for redress of gravi- grievances." So this has all of them in here.

    23. JRJoe Rogan29:17

        All right.

    24. TKTim Kennedy29:17

        So this gun, uh, I took. It has been shot, so I zeroed it for you.

    25. JRJoe Rogan29:21

        Beautiful.

    26. TKTim Kennedy29:22

        Um, got you a holster too.

    27. JRJoe Rogan29:24

        Welcome to Texas. They bring you guns.

    28. TKTim Kennedy29:26

        Yeah. It's got a Leupold-

    29. JRJoe Rogan29:28

        How about that?

    30. TKTim Kennedy29:28

        Leupold DeltaPoint red dot on there.
15. 31:12 – 37:27

    Zombie Safari

    1. TKTim Kennedy31:12

       um, responsive targets that are built like zombies, so you shoot them and, like, blood comes out and you can-

    2. JRJoe Rogan31:17

       Yeah, I've seen those.

    3. TKTim Kennedy31:17

       And we have, um, they call them heavy metal zombie competitions. So it's like a three-gun competition. So you have to shoot .45, .308, and 12 gauge. Um, and you... Only head shots count. So as you-

    4. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       Texas Zombie Safari. (laughs)

    5. TKTim Kennedy31:36

       Yeah.

    6. NANarrator31:36

       Seems like fun, right?

    7. TKTim Kennedy31:37

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       Ah. Wish I came here years ago. Zombie Safari Dallas is open every Friday and Saturday in October. Well, we're going.

    9. NANarrator31:44

       (laughs)

    10. JRJoe Rogan31:46

        Yeah, we'll have to go to that.

    11. TKTim Kennedy31:48

        Weather's cooling off, so we're gonna do a lot more helicopter pig hunts.

    12. JRJoe Rogan31:53

        2,400 rounds kill zombies. Now, when you do the helicopter pig hunts, um, how do you guys gather up the meat? Do you have someone who d- drives after the helicopter and-

    13. TKTim Kennedy32:02

        It depends on where we're going and what we're doing. So some, some ranches, um, we are exterminating.

    14. JRJoe Rogan32:08

        Hmm.

    15. TKTim Kennedy32:08

        So-

    16. JRJoe Rogan32:09

        So you don't even gather up the meat?

    17. TKTim Kennedy32:10

        No.

    18. JRJoe Rogan32:10

        Oh, wow.

    19. TKTim Kennedy32:11

        And some of them are disgusting. Like-

    20. JRJoe Rogan32:13

        Yeah, but the meat's still good even if they're gross.

    21. TKTim Kennedy32:15

        No, it's not.

    22. JRJoe Rogan32:15

        Really?

    23. TKTim Kennedy32:15

        No.

    24. JRJoe Rogan32:16

        Why?

    25. TKTim Kennedy32:16

        The- they're like, like... You get an old male, like maggoty, rancid, gross-

    26. JRJoe Rogan32:22

        Oh.

    27. TKTim Kennedy32:22

        ... tough meat. I don't want that.

    28. JRJoe Rogan32:23

        Mm-mm.

    29. TKTim Kennedy32:23

        You get, like, a young sow. There you go.

    30. JRJoe Rogan32:27

        Yeah.
16. 37:27 – 40:24

    Protests

    1. TKTim Kennedy37:27

    2. JRJoe Rogan37:27

       I agree with that. Uh, uh, I feel like showing up at one of those protests with a gun, like, unless they're coming to you and trying to take your house or break down your door, why do you have a... Why are you walking around with a gun? Just-

    3. TKTim Kennedy37:39

       No.

    4. JRJoe Rogan37:39

       You're supposed to... If it's supposed to be a peaceful protest, and the idea is, like, what if someone comes to try to disrupt that peaceful protest? Like, you're inviting them, almost, with that gun.

    5. TKTim Kennedy37:48

       Yeah. I mean, we, we had a, a, a poor, um, kid killed here in Austin, um. He had a AK, and a poor Uber driver got in the middle of a protest and he's like, "Holy crap." His, his... You know, when he dropped... He had a drop-off and he went to go do another pickup, and Uber, like, automatically routes the, the way to go. So he's following his little Uber route and he turns and he's like, "Oh man, I'm in the middle of a protest." He's a soldier from Fort Hood, right here. And, uh, he's concealed carrying in, in, in his Uber vehicle and, um, he gets stuck in the protest and the protestors just swarm his car. And this, this, this kid that died, um, he's actually a really neat kid 'cause, you know, his, his girlfriend, um, was Black and he's there to support her. Um, she had a bunch of physical, physical impairments and he-

    6. JRJoe Rogan38:38

       She was in a wheelchair?

    7. TKTim Kennedy38:38

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan38:39

       Yeah.

    9. TKTim Kennedy38:39

       So, I mean, he's, like, a neat kid. You know, like, not smart. He's open carrying at a protest, you know, and he was saying kind of some inflammatory things beforehand. But, like, I think his point and his purpose was really good and pure in, like, trying to do the right thing.

    10. JRJoe Rogan38:52

        Right.

    11. TKTim Kennedy38:53

        Um, but then he runs up to the side of a car and points a gun at an Uber driver that is scared and confused and he gets shot.

    12. JRJoe Rogan39:01

        Yeah.

    13. TKTim Kennedy39:01

        Like, that's the recipe for disaster.

    14. JRJoe Rogan39:03

        I saw so many different versions of that story, too, where people had twisted the facts. People had said he was unarmed. People... The, the guy who got shot.

    15. TKTim Kennedy39:12

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan39:13

        Pe- people were saying that the guy who did it was a white supremacist who drove into the protest on purpose.

    17. TKTim Kennedy39:18

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan39:18

        There was so many diff-

    19. TKTim Kennedy39:19

        And the video was edited-

    20. JRJoe Rogan39:20

        Yeah.

    21. TKTim Kennedy39:20

        ... where it looked like the guy was making a right hand turn and he, like, sped up 'cause he was trying to get around a person, and they cut right there 'cause it looks like the guy's speeding up to go into the crowd. But it's super... When you watch the whole video, it's really obvious what that poor kid was trying to do, the driver. Um, I saw a fascinating, um... This PhD on communication broke down, from the initial release of the information of the story, how it immediately started being, um-

    22. JRJoe Rogan39:46

        Distorted.

    23. TKTim Kennedy39:46

        Yeah. For, for two different sides.

    24. JRJoe Rogan39:48

        Mm-hmm.

    25. TKTim Kennedy39:48

        Like, "I'm gonna leave out this detail. I'm gonna include this de- detail." And by the time you got... You know the, the game Telephone, where you're like, "Hey."

    26. JRJoe Rogan39:55

        Mm-hmm.

    27. TKTim Kennedy39:56

        "Um, here's this catchphrase." And by the time it gets all the way around the room, it doesn't sound like any semblance of what it did when it started. When you got to the final version, I'm super enraged at one version and I'm super enraged at another version, but neither of them are true. And, like, that, that's what every single issue is happening. From defunding the police, to Black Lives Matter, to ANTIFA. It's like, can we just be reasonable-

    28. JRJoe Rogan40:21

        Yeah.

    29. TKTim Kennedy40:21

        ... and talk about what's really happening?

17. 40:24 – 43:14

    Portland

    1. TKTim Kennedy40:24

    2. JRJoe Rogan40:24

       And we have some real good examples of wh- the worst case scenarios are in this country right now. And one of them is Portland.

    3. TKTim Kennedy40:32

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan40:32

       Like, Portland is one of the best case scenarios of completely unreasonable, ridiculous shit that's going on every single day.

    5. TKTim Kennedy40:40

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan40:41

       101 days of protest. They've got... That fucking mayor up there is the most progressive mayor in the country, and they're like, "Fuck you. Resign."

    7. TKTim Kennedy40:49

       "We're gonna burn your house down."

    8. JRJoe Rogan40:50

       "Defund the police." Yeah.

    9. TKTim Kennedy40:50

       He had to move out-

    10. JRJoe Rogan40:51

        Yeah.

    11. TKTim Kennedy40:51

        ... 'cause they were gonna burn his place down.

    12. JRJoe Rogan40:52

        Well, they tried to burn down his lobby. They were throwing fiery things into his lobby. They were lighting fires in front of the street in front of his house. Having dance parties in front of his apartment building.

    13. TKTim Kennedy41:00

        So I was just coming back from Africa on an SFA mission. Um, a security forces assistance. Uh, like, uh... We, the military, go to places that have insurgents and we try to legitimize the process of government. So in counterinsurgency, there's, like, all of these different missions from, um, joint combined exercises for training, to foreign internal defense, to SFAs, security forces, um, assistance. And I'm over there doing a counterinsurgency mission, and I'm coming back, and I'm seeing the same kind of horrible, dangerous recipe in Portland. You know, the, the, the same types of organization and structure, and, and it's... An insurgency is a charged idea that... You know, an insurgency, as the DoD defines it, is a, an organized group trying to delegitimize or overthrow a constitutional government. Like, that's how the DoD, DoD defines it. And I think if you went to almost anyone in Portland, they're like, "What are you trying to do right now?" Like, that's what they're trying to do.

    14. JRJoe Rogan42:14

        Yeah.

    15. TKTim Kennedy42:14

        Right? Like, that's what they believe.

    16. JRJoe Rogan42:16

        But they're, but they're open about it.

    17. TKTim Kennedy42:16

        Yeah. Wh- which is... All right. And that creates a really hard, um... How do you combat that? 'Cause you have to combat the grievances and the ideas. You have to... And as, as dangerous as it is, those ideas are like a cancer because when truth and information is being, uh, adjusted, just like we talked about with the shooting here in Austin, where we have two different versions and some people are in the echo chamber of only hearing one side of it, it just...... keeps radicalizing more and more and catching more momentum. And then the reason that they're there is, is so convoluted with, you know, if you're a- are you there for Black Lives Matter or are you there, um, to, you know, to fight systemic racism? Are you here to... Like, what are you protesting about? Like, I think you'd get a lot of different answers.

    18. JRJoe Rogan43:06

        Yeah.

    19. TKTim Kennedy43:07

        That's dangerous. Like, now, now, now you're just there to do damage, like, you're not really trying to do anything that's good.

18. 43:14 – 46:56

    Black Lives Matter

    1. TKTim Kennedy43:14

    2. JRJoe Rogan43:14

       It's also exciting. This is the other thing about it. When, when you're allowed to throw fire into the lobby of the apartment building where the mayor lives-

    3. TKTim Kennedy43:24

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan43:24

       ... and no one stops you, and you're out in front and people are playing music and dancing and everyone's going, "Black lives matter" (mimics hi-hat cymbal) , there's excitement to that, right?

    5. TKTim Kennedy43:35

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:35

       Something's happening. And then when you're talking about people that are out of work, the economy is fucked, no one knows what to do, everyone's scared, COVID's killing a certain percentage of people, you're, you, you can't do anything about it, there's no vaccines, there's all this tension in the air, and then you have this movement.

    7. TKTim Kennedy43:51

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:52

       And then this is the most exciting thing that's happening. A- and then for people that don't have jobs and can't go anywhere, what the fuck do you want them to do? They're gonna get sucked up into that, especially if it aligns with their political ideologies, if they're a left-leaning person, and they're like, "Look, we have a real chance for a real revolution here," and this is-

    9. TKTim Kennedy44:10

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan44:10

        But what, what they don't understand, I was talking about Seattle, you're doing the same thing that you would hate for people to do. You're taking over businesses with force, you're, you are occupying land that you don't deserve, you're stealing buildings. You're literally occupying buildings that other people built. And then once you get there, you're establishing boundaries, you're putting up barriers.

    11. TKTim Kennedy44:34

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan44:34

        You have a police force that will attack and brutally beat people up for just filming what they perceive as injustices-

    13. TKTim Kennedy44:41

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan44:41

        ... or what they're gonna put on the internet. And then people get shot and you're calling the fucking cops. You call the police and ambulances when people get shot there.

    15. TKTim Kennedy44:48

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan44:49

        Do you know how goddamn crazy this is? It's so poorly thought out, across the board. And if you do that, if you take over an area, what's to stop people from doing that to you? You've already set a precedent.

    17. TKTim Kennedy45:01

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan45:02

        You've already said, "We could do this with force. We're gonna move in with no law behind us, with no court ruling, with no reasonable discourse, we're gonna move in with force and we're gonna take over an area with numbers and threats." And then what's gonna stop someone from doing that to you?

    19. TKTim Kennedy45:16

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan45:17

        Nothing, you fuck. You've already set a precedent. You've already said, "This is how it's done."

    21. TKTim Kennedy45:21

        Yeah. And then it's just chaos and anarchy.

    22. JRJoe Rogan45:22

        Exactly.

    23. TKTim Kennedy45:23

        Like, it just gets worse.

    24. JRJoe Rogan45:24

        Exactly.

    25. TKTim Kennedy45:24

        And the more violent and larger group will win. So from a, the, the mission of counterinsurgency, like, how, how do you fight those ideas, is stability and security, right? If we want, um, to see positive change in, in, you know, kind of destitute, poverty-stricken areas of the country, um, urban areas where, like, really you wanna talk about systemic racism, you start looking at, like, Detroit-

    26. JRJoe Rogan45:49

        Yes.

    27. TKTim Kennedy45:49

        ... and Baltimore and Chicago, um, how do you fix that? It's not fewer pe- police officers. It's more police officers. The way that you fix it is provi- providing stability and security in an area so that then businesses can flourish, capitalism arrives, more job opportunities, more wealth, more education, more, um... Like, immediately, in 10 years you, you'll see the, the transformation of a block when a, when a good business comes in and good things start happening. That business can't go there if it's dangerous.

    28. JRJoe Rogan46:20

        Right.

    29. TKTim Kennedy46:20

        If it's rioting and it's looting. So if you look at every one of the cities that had serious riots, um, in, you know, from, like, Rodney King, how bad those areas still are, it takes like 50, 60 years, if they ever bounce back, to come back from that. So if you're like, you know, "Go Black Mi- Lives Matter," but then you're going and rioting, you are absolutely condemning yourself to more poverty. And then you go and defund the police and you remove the one thing that's gonna provide stability and security out- in that area that will bring in commerce, that will bring in business and jobs. Like, you- you're screwing

19. 46:56 – 48:35

    Its a long game

    1. TKTim Kennedy46:56

       yourself.

    2. JRJoe Rogan46:56

       It's just so hard for people to see that because it's a long game.

    3. TKTim Kennedy46:59

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan47:00

       And in the short term they want justice and they're like, "No justice, no peace." And they just wanna light shit on fire. And I, I understand that they're angry and I understand that sentiment, but it's so... No one's explaining that this is, this is how this plays out. You're literally gonna fuck that area.

    5. TKTim Kennedy47:15

       Yeah. For a long time.

    6. JRJoe Rogan47:17

       Yeah. Yeah, it takes a long... And a lot of money is gonna be, have to be spent-

    7. TKTim Kennedy47:21

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan47:21

       ... in order to bring it back.

    9. TKTim Kennedy47:22

       So the mon- the money is a hard thing. Um, insurgencies are really cheap. You know, if, um, if I wanted to ruin something, you know, it doesn't take a lot of effort for me to destroy it. For me to build and protect something, that takes a lot of manpowers, manpower and hours. Um, insurgencies are also way more successful than a, you know, conventional type war. Um, even if it's just war of ideas, not that we're in a civil war, thank God we don't have, like, geographic lines that these radical groups could align themselves with, because then it would be a different problem. Um, it takes not just manpower, funding. Uh, you know, like if you're going to flood, say, Baltimore with police officers, that's a lot of money and it would take a long time for a business to feel like it's safe and secure for them to go in there and start effecting positive change, opening more stores, more jobs, more jobs, more wealth, more wealth, more education, more education, better schools, and then boom, we have a flourishing community where people can prosper. Um, but it takes, you know, one idiot with a Molotov cocktail to bring that all crumbling down

20. 48:35 – 52:50

    Its a trying time

    1. TKTim Kennedy48:35

       again.

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:35

       Yeah, and you're starting from scratch or below scratch.

    3. TKTim Kennedy48:37

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:38

       Yeah. Yeah. And that's where we are.

    5. TKTim Kennedy48:41

       Yep.

    6. JRJoe Rogan48:41

       I mean, this is, uh, a trying time for us in, in the weirdest of ways because I don't think anybody anticipated everything going this far south so quickly.

    7. TKTim Kennedy48:50

       Done- It's not done. Oh, this is yours.

    8. JRJoe Rogan48:52

       What's that? Oh, my Constitution.

    9. TKTim Kennedy48:54

       Mm-hmm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan48:55

        ... back up fuckers.

    11. TKTim Kennedy48:56

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan48:57

        I got the papers.

    13. TKTim Kennedy48:58

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan48:58

        I got the Declaration of Independence.

    15. TKTim Kennedy49:00

        It's just how it is. It's not for interpretation.

    16. JRJoe Rogan49:01

        Hmm.

    17. TKTim Kennedy49:01

        It's just as it is. Just read the words.

    18. JRJoe Rogan49:03

        Uh, just amazing that these guys saw human nature and how it could be fucked up.

    19. TKTim Kennedy49:08

        (sighs)

    20. JRJoe Rogan49:08

        And how they could ruin everything, so far in advance.

    21. TKTim Kennedy49:12

        (sighs)

    22. JRJoe Rogan49:12

        Do you smoke cigars?

    23. TKTim Kennedy49:13

        I don't.

    24. JRJoe Rogan49:14

        You don't?

    25. TKTim Kennedy49:14

        At all? No. I'm, I'm a pretty straight-edge-ish person.

    26. JRJoe Rogan49:18

        Don't drink at all?

    27. TKTim Kennedy49:19

        I'll have, like, uh, a glass of wine every other night. It's good for your blood. It's good for your heart.

    28. JRJoe Rogan49:25

        Allegedly.

    29. TKTim Kennedy49:26

        That's what they say, yeah. That's the extent of it.

    30. JRJoe Rogan49:28

        Yeah. But you know those are, like, epidemiology studies?
21. 52:50 – 53:19

    Court McGee

    1. TKTim Kennedy52:50

       coach.

    2. JRJoe Rogan52:51

       Well, he's still training Glover, right?

    3. TKTim Kennedy52:52

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan52:53

       He's got Glover, and then Alex Pereira is with them now-

    5. TKTim Kennedy52:55

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JRJoe Rogan52:56

       ... as well, which I thought was very interesting.

    7. TKTim Kennedy52:57

       Yeah, Court McGee is still in and out.

    8. JRJoe Rogan52:59

       Oh, is he?

    9. TKTim Kennedy52:59

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan53:00

        (coughs) Court's had some injuries, right?

    11. TKTim Kennedy53:02

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan53:02

        Yeah.

    13. TKTim Kennedy53:02

        Yeah. He, I think his whole career has kinda been like that.

    14. JRJoe Rogan53:05

        Yeah.

    15. TKTim Kennedy53:05

        That was a guy that was always on my radar of, like, I thought I might fight. Because when I went to Jackson's, you know, his clear break separation.

    16. JRJoe Rogan53:12

        Mm-hmm.

    17. TKTim Kennedy53:13

        Um, and then he-

    18. JRJoe Rogan53:13

        And he's in The Pit in Utah, right?

    19. TKTim Kennedy53:16

        Mm-hmm.

    20. JRJoe Rogan53:16

        Yeah.

    21. TKTim Kennedy53:17

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan53:18

        But yeah, he's...

22. 53:19 – 56:59

    Addictions

    1. JRJoe Rogan53:19

       That guy is-

    2. TKTim Kennedy53:19

       Got to stay healthy.

    3. JRJoe Rogan53:20

       He's a, he's in a... He's one of those guys that almost died and came back because of drugs. And there's a few of those guys that are almost unbreakable. They're like, they, they, they almost die and come back, and then they become these insanely disciplined people. And he's one of those.

    4. TKTim Kennedy53:35

       Yeah. Is that good though, to almost die from drugs?

    5. JRJoe Rogan53:38

       No. I don't think it's good.

    6. TKTim Kennedy53:39

       Okay.

    7. JRJoe Rogan53:39

       I think whatever led him to drugs-

    8. TKTim Kennedy53:41

       Mm-hmm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan53:42

       ... he probably could have squashed those demons with training.

    10. TKTim Kennedy53:44

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan53:45

        But the problem with... There's many obsessions and addictions that come from almost the same energy that could be applied to something that makes you incredibly successful. It's these, uh, th- where your brain is fixated, whether it's on gambling-

    12. TKTim Kennedy54:05

        Mm-hmm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan54:06

        ... or whatever it is, whatever these addictions are. They could ruin your life, or you could decide you're gonna be the baddest motherfucker that ever lived.

    14. TKTim Kennedy54:13

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan54:13

        And it's the same kind of addictions. You know, I've talked to Tyson about this. I've talked to a bunch of fighters about this, that have these addictive tendencies. But those tendencies are also obsessive tendencies, which can be applied to something that is ultimately positive, like training.

    16. TKTim Kennedy54:30

        Yeah. That's what I do.

    17. JRJoe Rogan54:31

        Yeah.

    18. TKTim Kennedy54:31

        I have a huge... (breathes deeply) I've never had any addiction, um, to negative stuff. But y- I think if you looked at my life from how I train, how I shoot, how I work, how I run my companies, you're like, "This, this guy's a psychopath with the, the, the disciplined regiment of, of literal pain and suffering that I intentionally put my body through." Um, and that's to stay productive. And so it's all constructive.

    19. JRJoe Rogan54:59

        Yeah.

    20. TKTim Kennedy54:59

        Um, I c- I always joke that if I didn't...... do martial arts and fight and go into the military, where all of those things were encouraged, like, w- yeah, "We want you to fight," you know, "We want you to kind of be a violent badass," um, I would be in prison. You know, I'd, like, for sure, um, probably you-

    21. JRJoe Rogan55:16

        There's a lot of people like that out there.

    22. TKTim Kennedy55:18

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan55:18

        Yeah. A lot of people. A lot of people that are in prison, that I f- to this day feel like if we could have got them when they were young-

    24. TKTim Kennedy55:24

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan55:25

        ... and said, "Hey, listen, listen. This is the path you're on."

    26. TKTim Kennedy55:28

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan55:28

        "But this is, this is a w- way better path you can get on. It's fucking exciting."

    28. TKTim Kennedy55:32

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan55:33

        "And it's gonna feel good."

    30. TKTim Kennedy55:34

        Yeah.
23. 56:59 – 58:33

    Incremental Changes

    1. TKTim Kennedy56:59

    2. JRJoe Rogan56:59

       It's just people need to n- they need to know about these procrastination demons that haunt your mind.

    3. TKTim Kennedy57:06

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan57:06

       And they will rob you of all possible success.

    5. TKTim Kennedy57:09

       Of everything.

    6. JRJoe Rogan57:10

       Everything.

    7. TKTim Kennedy57:10

       They'll, they'll steal everything from you.

    8. JRJoe Rogan57:11

       Yeah.

    9. TKTim Kennedy57:12

       And, like, when, when people come to our, our courses, um, the, the biggest thing that we're trying to impart, that like I'm not gonna in, in two and a half days, I'm not gonna turn somebody into a great fighter. I'm not gonna turn somebody into a great shooter in two and a half days. Uh, but what they're gonna learn is they're gonna learn their assets and their liabilities, and they're going to learn about themself, about what do they need to do that we're gonna put 'em on a course, a direction, a path, all the things they need to do to positively change their life. And i- it becomes this, this, I'll use addictive, like this all-consuming passion to want to know that your family is safe, to not live in fear, to know that you're healthy. You're like, "I have less body fat. I'm feeling kind of like a badass. I, like, wanna flirt with my wife a little bit more. Now I'm having more sex. Now my energy is going up. Now I'm sleeping better. And the next day is even better, so I can train a little bit more, I can work a little bit more, I can shoot a little bit more. And then, like, the next day I'm even better." And they're like, just 1% incremental changes, now two months removed, you're like, "Who is this person? You just lost 20 pounds of fat." Like, "You got calluses on your hands. You don't have that fat baby chub on your face anymore. And more importantly, I see life in your eyes, where you showed up two months ago and there's like this ghost skeleton of a human. Now I see a person." It's rad. Like, I, and I get to see this transformation of people. It's one of my favorite things about

24. 58:33 – 1:10:33

    Push Your Body

    1. TKTim Kennedy58:33

       what I do.

    2. JRJoe Rogan58:33

       Yeah, it's so hard for people that don't do it to understand that if you do push your body, it gets stronger and you grow.

    3. TKTim Kennedy58:41

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan58:41

       And then you literally feel better. I, I try to explain it to a friend of mine. I said, "Imagine if you have a race car, and the race car is 400 horsepower and a certain width tire and a certain kind of suspension. But literally, you can make it have more horsepower, and handle better, and w- all you'd have to do is work."

    5. TKTim Kennedy58:58

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan58:58

       "You just have to push it. And the tires will widen and the suspension will toughen, and it'll be m- m- more, more pliable around corners. The, the, the engine will get stronger. The exhaust will sound better. It'll be more rewarding to drive. You can do this."

    7. TKTim Kennedy59:12

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan59:12

       "You can do it with your body. Like, your body literally is like a race car."

    9. TKTim Kennedy59:15

       And your mind.

    10. JRJoe Rogan59:16

        Yes, and your mind. Your mind goes along with it.

    11. TKTim Kennedy59:18

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan59:18

        Which is another thing that bums me out, where really smart people don't wanna work out, 'cause they think it's like, they think it's, uh, for meatheads or they think it's, uh, it's a stupid egotistical pursuit. I'm like, "No, you, you literally are all connected."

    13. TKTim Kennedy59:31

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan59:31

        "Your brain and your body are one."

    15. TKTim Kennedy59:33

        Totally. Total human condition.

    16. JRJoe Rogan59:35

        Yes.

    17. TKTim Kennedy59:36

        And, uh ...

    18. JRJoe Rogan59:36

        Just because you... Look, if you're a, a, an awesome pianist, right? And you're really good at playing the piano, you have to understand that that's not just your fingers, right? That's your mind. Your mind is also making you play the piano.

    19. TKTim Kennedy59:49

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan59:49

        Well, guess what? If you were in better cardiovascular shape, you probably could do that even better, because then the whole system would work better. Everything would work better. And this is the same with everything you do.

    21. TKTim Kennedy59:58

        CNS is firing.

    22. JRJoe Rogan59:59

        Yes.

    23. TKTim Kennedy59:59

        You know?

    24. JRJoe Rogan59:59

        Everything.

    25. TKTim Kennedy1:00:00

        Everything is going quicker, you know. And guys like Rachmaninoff, big, huge, powerful hands that could play these big, huge chords, like his body conditioned to be able to do those things. It wasn't like immediately he had this one and a half octave reach, right? He learned and his hands literally grew to be able to play chords-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

        Mm-hmm.

    27. TKTim Kennedy1:00:17

        ... that if you and I go and play them right now, we have carpals tunnel in six months.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

        Yeah.

    29. TKTim Kennedy1:00:20

        You know? Like his, his body adapted, uh, evolved to be able to play like this (singing) . Like, that's so freaking cool.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

        It is cool.

Episode duration: 3:00:33