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Joe Rogan Experience #1541 - Bridget Phetasy

Writer, stand-up comedian, and cultural commentator Bridget Phetasy’s writings can be found in The Spectator, Quillette, and The New York Times. In addition, she’s the host of the YouTube program Dumpster Fire, and the podcast Walk-Ins Welcome. @phetasy

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  1. 0:002:18

    Breathwork, meditation, and stress relief (from float tanks to six-second breathing)

    1. NA

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Oh, hello, Bridget.

    4. BP

      Hello.

    5. JR

      Welcome.

    6. BP

      We're gonna save the world-

    7. JR

      W- yeah, that's what I heard you were gonna say.

    8. BP

      ... right now.

    9. JR

      Th- I'm sorry for being late for the most California reason ever.

    10. BP

      (laughs)

    11. JR

      I d- I really, I thought I was meditating for 20 minutes and I was 45 minutes in, I was like, "What happened?"

    12. BP

      Last time we talked, you hadn't even started meditating yet, so tell me about this journey.

    13. JR

      Well, I d- I would do it occasionally.

    14. BP

      Yeah, but you weren't really into it.

    15. JR

      But most of the time, I was getting in the tank.

    16. BP

      Uh-huh.

    17. JR

      Which is kind of like meditating.

    18. BP

      Uh-huh.

    19. JR

      But, you know, the, the tank is its own thing.

    20. BP

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      Uh, but, yeah, I've been doing... I, I, uh, had this guy James Nestor on, he's the author of Breathe. Breath, Breathe, Breath.

    22. BP

      Breath. Breath.

    23. JR

      Breath. Breath. Breath. The book is Breath. I always forget which ones has the E at the end.

    24. BP

      (laughs)

    25. JR

      (laughs) Um, but, uh, I g- I really got into breathing exercises afterwards.

    26. BP

      Uh-huh.

    27. JR

      And so, I mean, I'm calling it meditating, but I'm really doing both. I'm meditating and doing... And while I'm doing these breathing exercises, I'm just concentrating on breath. It is the-

    28. BP

      Trippy.

    29. JR

      It is the best fucking stress reliever.

    30. BP

      Yeah.

  2. 2:183:24

    COVID vulnerability, hidden comorbidities, and vaping as a respiratory risk multiplier

    1. JR

      But he knew somebody though that got it early in Italy-

    2. BP

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      ... and got really sick.

    4. BP

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      But then upon questioning, um, I was asking him a bunch of things, like, the guy was drinking. Like, the guy was partying and then he, he was skiing and then he caught COVID. So, uh, the people that I know that have got it and got it bad were all compromised.

    6. BP

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      They w- they were all beaten down, worn out, and then it got them. That's where it gets scary.

    8. BP

      Or you don't know. We had a friend whose, um, boyfriend's brother died of it and he got it, but he was sick for two weeks and his wife was like, "Please go." And he didn't-

    9. JR

      Hm.

    10. BP

      ... because he's a dude. (laughs) And-

    11. JR

      Yeah. Yep.

    12. BP

      ... and then he went and, um, found out that he had, like, diabetes or something. He didn't even know he had it.

    13. JR

      Hm.

    14. BP

      And so he was compromised and it was really tragic and sad, but-

    15. JR

      Well, our nurse was telling us, she was... How harsh is she?

    16. BP

      Yeah. She's hardcore. (laughs)

    17. JR

      Harsh, harsh. What she's seen-

    18. BP

      I al- I like it, though.

    19. JR

      She's seen it. She's great, I love her. But anyway, when she's, uh, doing the test, she's telling us about all these kids that vape that are dying.

    20. BP

      Oh yeah, I've been hearing this.

    21. JR

      Yeah. Fucking getting pneumonia and dying from vaping.

  3. 3:244:38

    Hydroxychloroquine politics: when treatment debates become identity warfare

    1. BP

      Here's a fun story. I was g- talking to my physical therapist, and he is married to an Italian woman, so they were hearing all the stories from Italy and then all the whole s- thing about like hydrochloric, hydroxychloroquine came out. And, well-

    2. JR

      Hydroxy? Hydroxy?

    3. BP

      The hy- hydroxychloroquine, howev- however the hell you say it.

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. BP

      Um, and he, he had been hearing from the people in Italy that this was kind of working with like some... and it was helping. So, after Trump said it was helping, he was trying to get some on the West Side, and he's like, "All these motherfuckers who are talking shit about it, you couldn't get it anywhere on the West Side of LA." Every rich person in LA went out and bought it, and then was like, "Oh, this... we shouldn't be listening to this." He's like, "But you couldn't get it anywhere." (clears throat)

    6. JR

      Well, my doctor told me that people are not taking it because they hate Trump.

    7. BP

      Oh, wow.

    8. JR

      He l- when Schab got it, they asked Schab what your political leanings are. And he's like, "What?" And he's like, "Well, hydroxychloroquine has been proven to be very effective in the early stages of virus."

    9. BP

      Especially early, yeah.

    10. JR

      He goes, "Fucking give it to me. What are you talking about?" (laughs) But imagine if he's like, "Fuck Trump, I'm gonna die!"

    11. BP

      Literally.

    12. JR

      "I'm gonna die on this hill, fuck Trump."

    13. BP

      You're literally... People have lost their minds.

    14. JR

      Lost their minds.

  4. 4:387:42

    Online exhaustion, “educating fascists,” and the attack on reasonable people in the middle

    1. BP

      It's, it's a... I saw a tweet yesterday and it was like, "I'm so tired. I'm so tired." I'm like, "What are you..." This whole idea of everybody being like, "I'm so exhausted." I'm like, "You're sitting on your fucking ass, you're watching Netflix, you're on your couch, you're waiting for Postmates. Like what are you fucking tired from?"

    2. JR

      (laughs)

    3. BP

      You're exhausted from tweeting? You know, like, "It's so hard educating all these people, all these fascists online all day."

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. BP

      What are you fucking exhausted from?

    6. JR

      (coughs)

    7. BP

      I don't understand. (laughs)

    8. JR

      Educating fascists. Everybody who disagrees with you is a fascist.

    9. BP

      Every- everyone.

    10. JR

      That's just how it is.

    11. BP

      Everyone. And it's... I- I was talking to Colin Quinn for my podcast, and we were talking about this. I was like, "Do you not get shit for like..." He's like, "I feel like we're kinda in the same place." And I was, I was like, "Don't you get shit for being like both sides?" And he was like, "Isn't that insane though? Like, that the people who are like trying to see things reasonably are the ones who are like getting attacked?"

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. BP

      He's like, "No, the middle used to be the people looking at the zealots being like, 'You're fucking crazy.' And now they're looking at us and they're like, 'You guys need to be stopped.'" (laughs)

    14. JR

      (laughs) The middle needs to be stopped.

    15. BP

      "All of this reason needs to be stopped."

    16. JR

      Well, because you make them confront their own biases.

    17. BP

      Yeah. Yeah. (laughs)

    18. JR

      That's what the problem is. When you're a... if you're a reasonable person, espec- especially if you're someone like you or I, who has a platform and you're reasonable, and there's a lot of people listening, and then people are like, "Wow, she's, she's actually s- got some good points. No, she doesn't! She's a fascist!"

    19. BP

      (laughs) Look, I'm no Alyssa Milano, I don't have a platform like you guys-

    20. JR

      (laughs)

    21. BP

      (laughs) ... but...

    22. JR

      Well, it's a real shame that her platform is a third of mine.

    23. BP

      (laughs) That's like a really... (laughs) I'm really delusional. I wanna-

    24. JR

      The... (laughs)

    25. BP

      This is the two plus two equals five math. (laughs)

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. BP

      (laughs)

    28. JR

      Yeah, that math is, uh, that's like Hollywood math-

    29. BP

      (laughs) Yeah.

    30. JR

      ... when they tell you a movie didn't make any money.

  5. 7:4212:22

    Media credibility collapse: CNN, bias, and the ‘mostly peaceful’ riots framing

    1. JR

      ... everything else is liberal, whether it's, whether they pretend to be or not. They, they lean liberal, whether it's NBC, CBS-

    2. BP

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      ... MSNBC, of course CNN. CNN is, CNN's atrocious.

    4. BP

      This is what I-

    5. JR

      They, they're so bad.

    6. BP

      ... does. (sighs)

    7. JR

      They used to be my favorite source of news. And now I, I see, when, when you see Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo talking about white people and, and, and, and how, like, white people have every advantage, like, "Why don't you have an education? Why don't you have a loan?"

    8. BP

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      Like, and, and Chris Cuomo's just standing there, like, letting Don Lemon say this. I'm like, "What are you guys talking about?"

    10. BP

      They're parodies.

    11. JR

      You guys, have you ever been to Appalachia?

    12. BP

      No, they haven't.

    13. JR

      Do, do, do you know about r- really poor white people?

    14. BP

      No.

    15. JR

      They're, they're there. There's p- poor white people all over the world.

    16. BP

      I tweeted something about-

    17. JR

      It's so crazy.

    18. BP

      ... they were like, "Don Lemon's calling out celebrities, and I am here for it." And I was like, "Don Lemon is the arsonist standing in the house-"

    19. JR

      (laughs)

    20. BP

      "... asking for everyone else to put out the fire." Like, what? This guy has been so divisive. He's so... What are you even talking about?

    21. JR

      All, all generalizations, all of them-

    22. BP

      (laughs)

    23. JR

      ... do nobody any good.

    24. BP

      No, but they're fun.

    25. JR

      But I just made one.

    26. BP

      I know, but they're so fun.

    27. JR

      Yeah. They are very fun. I mean, we're s- we're comics.

    28. BP

      Yeah, you-

    29. JR

      We just, we-

    30. BP

      ... you have-

  6. 12:2214:56

    Climate change as a partisan identity trap—and the missing nuanced conversation

    1. JR

      Climate change.

    2. BP

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      Climate change is the, the biggest one on the right where they're, they just full on try to deny climate change, and it's a part of the narrative of the ideology of the right. There's a lot of people that just deny the narrative of climate change.

    4. BP

      There are young...... Republicans who are changing this, though. And, uh, you should have some of them on because they're young.

    5. JR

      Give me some names.

    6. BP

      I will. There are some young kids who are-

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. BP

      ... really pushing back against... They don't like that. They believe that we should conserve our parks, that we should conserve... That it's important. And they hate that it's become this kind of partisan thing and that it's now Republicans are anti-climate, is this messaging. And so there, there are some young people in that space. They just don't have a big enough voice, really, yet. But they're, they're out there and they're pushing back against that, and they have some really cool things that are going, going on.

    9. JR

      Well, that's good because there does need to be some pushback. The problem with the narrative on the right is that they're so pro-business that they're willing to sacrifice some environmental standards.

    10. BP

      Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      And people see the repercussions of that.

    12. BP

      Right.

    13. JR

      They're, they're like, "Hey. Listen, I understand that you want people to be able to work and you want people to make a living and you wanna raise the standard," and trickle-down economics and all that shit, "but you, you can't, you can't sacrifice the fucking environment."

    14. BP

      Right.

    15. JR

      Like, that should be a no-brainer. First, do no harm, right?

    16. BP

      Right.

    17. JR

      Like a doctor. First do no harm. And that you're doing harm. Like you can't make money while you're polluting.

    18. BP

      Right.

    19. JR

      Like that's, that's not good for anybody's future.

    20. BP

      Yeah. They're seeing this in, in areas where the... You know, I think it was reading, like, the Louisiana belt, there's, like, tons of instances of more COVID mortality in the, like, Chemical Alley where all those fucking chemical plants are.

    21. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    22. BP

      And that's the kind of untold cost and... Cause and effect that we need to pay more attention to. And then this is why I hate when these things... Like the climate shouldn't be... It... We should be able to have a conversation about this. And I think with the right wing, it's m-... It's more that it's, uh, used as a cudgel to just silence everybody and you're supposed to just get on board, and there are so many things that are... A lot of them will agree that they're... We might be having some effect on it, but what is the best way to, to try and make those changes? So that nuanced conversation is what needs to happen and everything is just partisan.

    23. JR

      Yeah.

    24. BP

      Everything. Even the mask thing.

    25. JR

      (clears throat)

    26. BP

      Like all-

    27. JR

      That's f-

    28. BP

      ... all of it.

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. BP

      And you wanna be able to come from a place of facts. It's the same with, you know, police brutality. All of these things... If we can start with what the actual facts are, that would be awesome and productive, but we don't (laughs) ... We don't start there. We start with, like... (laughs)

  7. 14:5618:22

    Police brutality narratives, viral videos, and why generalizations break real-world analysis

    1. JR

      Well, the police brutality thing, all you get is videos of horrific actions.

    2. BP

      Right.

    3. JR

      You know, I saw a video. There's a really terrible video that's going around right now that people are using as evidence that cops are racist because they didn't shoot this white guy who wound up shooting and killing a cop in Oklahoma. Did you see it?

    4. BP

      Oh, I haven't seen it.

    5. JR

      It's a-

    6. BP

      I've been blissfully offline.

    7. JR

      Every time I drink coffee with cream I say, "I'm not gonna do that again," 'cause I do it on the podcast and then I get phlegm and I have to... (coughs)

    8. BP

      Oh. That's all right. It makes you human, Joe.

    9. JR

      (clears throat) Sorry for people listening.

    10. BP

      (laughs)

    11. JR

      It's annoying, bro. But it's, it's a bad video. Um, they pull this guy over. They mace him. Um, they, they, they, they, they hit him with the pepper spray. They tase him. They do everything. And he's just as f- drugged up or a psycho.

    12. BP

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      Who knows? And they get into some sort of a wrestling exchange and he gets the cop's gun and unloads-

    14. BP

      Whoa.

    15. JR

      ... into this guy's bo-... And you hear the cop-

    16. BP

      Wow.

    17. JR

      You... From the cop's body camera, you see him get shot and you see him scream.

    18. BP

      This is the fucking thing about our dystopia that I hate. I've seen someone die, like, every day for the t- past two weeks online. You know, where it's just-

    19. JR

      But, but here's my point. This... People are looking at this saying, "Oh, the cops are racist 'cause if that was a Black guy, they would have shot him."

    20. BP

      Right.

    21. JR

      My position is, okay, this is... These are two totally different cops and maybe they didn't shoot him because they would have never shot anybody. May- maybe these t-

    22. BP

      Right, right, right.

    23. JR

      ... these cops never would have shot a Black guy or a white guy or an Asian guy or anybody. But the point is, this is how dangerous it is to be a cop.

    24. BP

      Right.

    25. JR

      And this is why non-lea... There's two cops on one guy and they can't control this motherfucker.

    26. BP

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      And this is why non-lethal methods are... Th- the cops are reluctant to use them sometimes.

    28. BP

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      And this is also... It just shows you how fucking hard it is to be a cop. You get this crazy dude and you can't tase him, you can't pepper spray him.

    30. BP

      No.

  8. 18:2221:29

    Quitting social media (or at least uninstalling it): attention, productivity, and self-control

    1. JR

      Sam Harris is a brave man because he's already been attacked so many times for having these unconventional but very reasonable positions, and yet he still puts them out there. And he knows before he puts them out there that he's gonna get some flak and get some... But he's... He deleted his Twitter from his phone. He doesn't have Twitter on his phone anymore.

    2. BP

      Yeah, I don't have it on my phone.

    3. JR

      Yeah. That... Doing things like that can have a big impact.

    4. BP

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      I was talking to Schaub today. He's deleted all social media from his phone. He doesn't have any social media in his life anymore.

    6. BP

      Yeah. I, I really only use Twitter and I only have it on my desktop so that if I'm... I can only check it when I'm, like, in front of a computer. I don't have it-

    7. JR

      That's even worse though, 'cause then you should be writing.

    8. BP

      Yeah. I mean, that might-

    9. JR

      (laughs)

    10. BP

      That might be a problem, too.

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. BP

      I might just need to delete it completely. (laughs)

    13. JR

      I, I think I'm gonna get a computer that doesn't connect to the internet.... I think, uh, a, you know-

    14. BP

      (laughs) Like from 1982? (laughs)

    15. JR

      No, they have those. Like Snowden has one that has, like, a switch-

    16. BP

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      ... where you literally shut the Wi-Fi off.

    18. BP

      Oh, okay. I might need that.

    19. JR

      So you can't get tempted.

    20. BP

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      So, like, while you're working, the Wi-Fi's off. I mean, you could always go to the Wi-Fi and do the fucking-

    22. BP

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    23. JR

      But it seems like a, like a, like a switch.

    24. BP

      They have apps for that too. I think there's-

    25. JR

      Fucking app.

    26. BP

      No.

    27. JR

      I want a button. Like a click.

    28. BP

      You could just unplug the Wi-Fi.

    29. JR

      No.

    30. BP

      (laughs)

  9. 21:2927:05

    Instagram fakery, filters, plastic surgery pressure, and the economics of ‘being hot’

    1. JR

      Yeah, this, um, this filter thing that everyone's using-

    2. BP

      Oh, that one-

    3. JR

      ... is so bananas.

    4. BP

      ... that you posted about your daughter? That your daughter's filter-

    5. JR

      (laughs)

    6. BP

      ... made you the pretty lady?

    7. JR

      How weird is that?

    8. BP

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      You know, that was used in a class at, uh, at Texas Tech.

    10. BP

      (laughs) That's terrifying.

    11. JR

      Yeah, it is terrifying.

    12. BP

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      But that's what girls are dealing with. They look at themselves in the mirror, and then they look at, like, like, the, the Kourtney or Khloe? Which one?

    14. BP

      None of those people are real.

    15. JR

      But the, which, which, which was the one where she had a totally different head?

    16. BP

      Oh, maybe the o- I don't know any of them. The old one?

    17. JR

      Jamie?

    18. NA

      Yeah, the other-

    19. JR

      Which one?

    20. NA

      You're right.

    21. JR

      Which one?

    22. NA

      Khloe.

    23. JR

      Khloe.

    24. NA

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      Khloe.

    26. BP

      Okay.

    27. JR

      I mean, you know what she looks like.

    28. BP

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      She looks one way, and then the picture was like, "Okay, who's this?"

    30. BP

      Yeah.

  10. 27:0531:18

    Texas interlude: barbecue, German roots, small towns—and Confederate statue debates

    1. JR

      I love it out here, but-

    2. BP

      Yeah, I could eat barbecue for breakfast.

    3. JR

      Ha- which places have you gone to?

    4. BP

      What's the one where Matthew McConaughey, um, the s- the s-... Oh, it's the one where Matthew McConaughey, um, w- said his favorite, famous line in Dazed and Confused?

    5. JR

      Oh, I don't know.

    6. BP

      It's the... Oh, it's good. They use pepper.

    7. JR

      Terry Black's?

    8. BP

      No, it's Spitfire... Spit...

    9. JR

      There's so many out here. You can't be bad and stay open.

    10. NA

      Style Switch.

    11. BP

      Yes. Oh-ho-ho-ho.

    12. JR

      Oh. Oh.

    13. BP

      So good.

    14. JR

      It's the place.

    15. BP

      So good.

    16. JR

      For a l- a place that has, like, two million people living in it-

    17. BP

      (laughs)

    18. JR

      ... they have, like, 150,000 barbecue spots. There he is, right there.

    19. BP

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      Hey, all right, all right.

    21. BP

      It's not painted like that anymore.

    22. JR

      All right, all right.

    23. BP

      Yeah. Uh, yeah, that place was amazing. I went to the other one that's really big, um, the really famous one that's kinda out.

    24. JR

      Franklin's?

    25. BP

      No, I haven't been there yet. I heard it's amazing.

    26. JR

      La Barbecue?

    27. BP

      No, it's, uh-

    28. JR

      Just you and I, we could d- do this all day long.

    29. BP

      It begins with an R.

    30. JR

      It'd be a real problem.

  11. 31:1858:55

    Election-season cult behavior: Biden’s decline, ‘save the country’ rhetoric, and Flight 93 politics

    1. JR

      Social media, the COVID lockdown, the polarization of our country with Trump, and then, you know, this, this weird thing where everybody has to pretend that Biden isn't dying.

    2. BP

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      ... like, this is all happening together at the same time. Like, everyone has to pretend he's gonna do a great job.

    4. BP

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      "I'm gonna vote for him. We just need to get Trump out of office." Like, oh my God. Like-

    6. BP

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      ... can we freeze this?

    8. BP

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      Can we freeze this and rethink this?

    10. BP

      Y-

    11. JR

      Do you guys have anybody else on deck?

    12. BP

      N- no one. I mean, I guess Harris is on deck.

    13. JR

      She's wearing Timberlands.

    14. BP

      (laughs)

    15. JR

      I guess she's one of us. (laughs)

    16. BP

      I seriously love the tweet. Whoever it was who was like, "Oh, found the undercover cop." (laughs)

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. BP

      They're like, "Anyone who sees anyone wearing these in a club, this brand new is the undercover cop."

    19. JR

      But Charlamagne-

    20. BP

      "At the party."

    21. JR

      Charlamagne, on Instagram, was like, y- y- you know, 'cause they were saying that she's bringing back Timberlands. And he was like, "What the fuck are you talking about?"

    22. BP

      (laughs)

    23. JR

      (laughs) Like, he's a, he's in New York. Like, dudes in New York have been wearing Timberlands forever.

    24. BP

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      They've been wearing 'em since the '80s-

    26. BP

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      ... or whenever they started wearing 'em. They never stop wearing 'em.

    28. BP

      (laughs)

    29. JR

      Like, does, th- she's bringing back Timberlands?

    30. BP

      Yeah.

  12. 58:551:08:53

    Mental health in the social-media era—and Bridget’s three-part method for beating hypochondria

    1. JR

      Well, the unhinged have never had a better time.

    2. BP

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      This is, uh, this is their time 'cause they, they have so much company.

    4. BP

      (laughs)

    5. JR

      You know, if you're an unhinged person, like, you're on team unhinged. You're like, you're like, "Oh, look at all the people on my side."

    6. BP

      Weren't you the one who had that tweet that was like, "We have a mental health problem that's a, a... We have a gun pro-" Something about guns and mental health?

    7. JR

      Yeah. Yeah.

    8. BP

      I feel like-

    9. JR

      We have a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem.

    10. BP

      Yeah, that's a great tweet. I think about that all the time because, man, is that played out.

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. BP

      Because now we're just seeing the mental health and the tyranny. (laughs)

    13. JR

      Yeah. Well, we legitimately have a gigantic mental health problem in this country. Look, I am a person who, uh, I've, I've done a lot of things. I've, I have a family. I'm happy. I have good friends. I'm successful. And I have mental health problems.

    14. BP

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      We all have mental health problems.

    16. BP

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      And my mental health problems are very minor.

    18. BP

      (laughs)

    19. JR

      I just wanna be real clear. They're very minor. But I get weirded out sometimes. We all do. We all, we all get in funks sometimes. We all have issues. We all have issues.

    20. BP

      (laughs) Yeah.

    21. JR

      But when something challenges us and we don't have character and we don't have a history of overcoming issues and we don't have tools in terms of like whether it's exercise or meditation or yoga or whatever you do to alleviate tension, and then you have the fucking gasoline which is social media-

    22. BP

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      ... and you're throwing gasoline on your fire instead of figuring out a way to put out the coals, you're just gonna have madness. And there's so many people that are unhinged-

    24. BP

      Yeah. Yeah.

    25. JR

      ... right now. Unhinged.

    26. BP

      And it's... And they've been alone and isolated, and it, it just shows how much you need that social interaction-

    27. JR

      Yes.

    28. BP

      ... because people, I feel like, are losing their manners, you know? I've heard from many people... And it... My, my sister texted me. She said, "I just saw a real-life Facebook fight at dinner." And it was like... And someone else texted me and he said, "I just saw a real-life Twitter interaction in the grocery store." So this behavior that generally is relegated to the way we are when we're anonymous or not anonymous online with each other that you would never necessarily be if you were face to face, because everybody's been online, it's like they're starting to behave that way in real life.

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. BP

      That's not good.

  13. 1:08:531:48:42

    Discipline, ‘warrior ethos,’ and why comedy needs freedom to be hyperbolic

    1. JR

      That's why I have these, th- this, I have, like, mugs and T-shirts that say, "Conquer your inner bitch."

    2. BP

      I love that.

    3. JR

      That's what it is. There's-

    4. BP

      I- It is.

    5. JR

      There's a thing, I, it's- it's in me. I was talking to-

    6. BP

      It's in me.

    7. JR

      ... David Goggins, who's one of the most savage people that's on the planet today.

    8. BP

      Mm-hmm.

    9. JR

      And he and I had a long, hilarious conversation on the phone yesterday about it. And I said, "One of the things that I really appreciate about you is you talk about your struggles." Like, there's a video that I put up on my Instagram the other day. I just wrote, "Stay hard," and it's his video, and it's him talking about this struggle that he has, David Goggins, one of the hardest men alive. He has this struggle sometimes when he gets up, he just starts feeling sorry for himself.

    10. BP

      Yeah. (laughs)

    11. JR

      He starts feeling like, it just like, "Fuck, I'm tired, I don't wanna do this."

    12. BP

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      And then he, he actually says, he said those thoughts into a tape recorder or-

    14. BP

      Hmm.

    15. JR

      ... you know, a phone or whatever the fuck it is, and, and then listened to it playback. And he's like, "I sounded like a straight bitch." (laughs)

    16. BP

      Yeah. (laughs) That's hilarious. (laughs)

    17. JR

      But he realized it-

    18. BP

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... and then he, he got fired up and, and went out and did it. But what I said to him is, what's so important about him and wh- wh- why he's so important to people is because he shows you the weakness.

    20. BP

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      He shows you that he has these thoughts himself, but he just always wins.

    22. BP

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      He overcomes those, but he knows that- that those demons are there. They're there for everybody, but he's just got a long history of overcoming those demons. And so he knows that he just has to go to work.

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