Joe Rogan Experience #1541 - Bridget Phetasy

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0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Oh, hello, Bridget.

Bridget Phetasy 0:13 Hello.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Welcome.

Bridget Phetasy 0:14 We're gonna save the world-

Joe Rogan 0:15 W- yeah, that's what I heard you were gonna say.

Bridget Phetasy 0:16 ... right now.

Joe Rogan 0:17 Th- I'm sorry for being late for the most California reason ever.

Bridget Phetasy 0:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:20 I d- I really, I thought I was meditating for 20 minutes and I was 45 minutes in, I was like, "What happened?"

Bridget Phetasy 0:24 Last time we talked, you hadn't even started meditating yet, so tell me about this journey.

Joe Rogan 0:28 Well, I d- I would do it occasionally.

Bridget Phetasy 0:30 Yeah, but you weren't really into it.

Joe Rogan 0:31 But most of the time, I was getting in the tank.

Bridget Phetasy 0:33 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 0:33 Which is kind of like meditating.

Bridget Phetasy 0:34 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 0:35 But, you know, the, the tank is its own thing.

Bridget Phetasy 0:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:37 Uh, but, yeah, I've been doing... I, I, uh, had this guy James Nestor on, he's the author of Breathe. Breath, Breathe, Breath.

Bridget Phetasy 0:45 Breath. Breath.

Joe Rogan 0:46 Breath. Breath. Breath. The book is Breath. I always forget which ones has the E at the end.

Bridget Phetasy 0:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:52 (laughs) Um, but, uh, I g- I really got into breathing exercises afterwards.

Bridget Phetasy 0:56 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 0:56 And so, I mean, I'm calling it meditating, but I'm really doing both. I'm meditating and doing... And while I'm doing these breathing exercises, I'm just concentrating on breath. It is the-

Bridget Phetasy 1:05 Trippy.

Joe Rogan 1:06 It is the best fucking stress reliever.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08 It just, ooh-

Bridget Phetasy 1:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09 ... it all goes away. It's amazing.

Bridget Phetasy 1:11 I taught yoga and I always said if you could, if you had to choose like all, all the different parts of that practice, if I had to tell somebody just to do one, it would be the breathing exer- exercises are the best.

Joe Rogan 1:22 Yeah, there's something about it too that, like, you don't realize how shallow your breath is most of the day-

Bridget Phetasy 1:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:29 ... until you sit down, you do these big... I do six in, six out.

Bridget Phetasy 1:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:32 So six seconds in, big (inhales) .

Bridget Phetasy 1:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:35 And then (exhales) .

Bridget Phetasy 1:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:50 He, he's the one who had me so scared in the beginning.

Bridget Phetasy 2:17 And I, I went, "Come out and play, Sam." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:18 But he knew somebody though that got it early in Italy-

Bridget Phetasy 2:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:22 ... and got really sick.

Bridget Phetasy 2:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:23 But then upon questioning, um, I was asking him a bunch of things, like, the guy was drinking. Like, the guy was partying and then he, he was skiing and then he caught COVID. So, uh, the people that I know that have got it and got it bad were all compromised.

Bridget Phetasy 2:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:36 They w- they were all beaten down, worn out, and then it got them. That's where it gets scary.

Bridget Phetasy 2:40 Or you don't know. We had a friend whose, um, boyfriend's brother died of it and he got it, but he was sick for two weeks and his wife was like, "Please go." And he didn't-

Joe Rogan 2:52 Hm.

Bridget Phetasy 2:52 ... because he's a dude. (laughs) And-

Joe Rogan 2:54 Yeah. Yep.

Bridget Phetasy 2:54 ... and then he went and, um, found out that he had, like, diabetes or something. He didn't even know he had it.

Joe Rogan 3:00 Hm.

Bridget Phetasy 3:00 And so he was compromised and it was really tragic and sad, but-

Joe Rogan 3:05 Well, our nurse was telling us, she was... How harsh is she?

Bridget Phetasy 3:08 Yeah. She's hardcore. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:10 Harsh, harsh. What she's seen-

Bridget Phetasy 3:11 I al- I like it, though.

Joe Rogan 3:12 She's seen it. She's great, I love her. But anyway, when she's, uh, doing the test, she's telling us about all these kids that vape that are dying.

Bridget Phetasy 3:19 Oh yeah, I've been hearing this.

Joe Rogan 3:21 Yeah. Fucking getting pneumonia and dying from vaping.

Bridget Phetasy 3:24 Here's a fun story. I was g- talking to my physical therapist, and he is married to an Italian woman, so they were hearing all the stories from Italy and then all the whole s- thing about like hydrochloric, hydroxychloroquine came out. And, well-

Joe Rogan 3:39 Hydroxy? Hydroxy?

Bridget Phetasy 3:39 The hy- hydroxychloroquine, howev- however the hell you say it.

Joe Rogan 3:43 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 3:43 Um, and he, he had been hearing from the people in Italy that this was kind of working with like some... and it was helping. So, after Trump said it was helping, he was trying to get some on the West Side, and he's like, "All these motherfuckers who are talking shit about it, you couldn't get it anywhere on the West Side of LA." Every rich person in LA went out and bought it, and then was like, "Oh, this... we shouldn't be listening to this." He's like, "But you couldn't get it anywhere." (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 4:10 Well, my doctor told me that people are not taking it because they hate Trump.

Bridget Phetasy 4:15 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 4:15 He l- when Schab got it, they asked Schab what your political leanings are. And he's like, "What?" And he's like, "Well, hydroxychloroquine has been proven to be very effective in the early stages of virus."

Bridget Phetasy 4:24 Especially early, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:25 He goes, "Fucking give it to me. What are you talking about?" (laughs) But imagine if he's like, "Fuck Trump, I'm gonna die!"

Bridget Phetasy 4:33 Literally.

Joe Rogan 4:33 "I'm gonna die on this hill, fuck Trump."

Bridget Phetasy 4:36 You're literally... People have lost their minds.

Joe Rogan 4:37 Lost their minds.

Bridget Phetasy 4:38 It's, it's a... I saw a tweet yesterday and it was like, "I'm so tired. I'm so tired." I'm like, "What are you..." This whole idea of everybody being like, "I'm so exhausted." I'm like, "You're sitting on your fucking ass, you're watching Netflix, you're on your couch, you're waiting for Postmates. Like what are you fucking tired from?"

Joe Rogan 4:55 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 4:56 You're exhausted from tweeting? You know, like, "It's so hard educating all these people, all these fascists online all day."

Joe Rogan 5:02 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 5:03 What are you fucking exhausted from?

Joe Rogan 5:05 (coughs)

Bridget Phetasy 5:06 I don't understand. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:07 Educating fascists. Everybody who disagrees with you is a fascist.

Bridget Phetasy 5:10 Every- everyone.

Joe Rogan 5:11 That's just how it is.

Bridget Phetasy 5:11 Everyone. And it's... I- I was talking to Colin Quinn for my podcast, and we were talking about this. I was like, "Do you not get shit for like..." He's like, "I feel like we're kinda in the same place." And I was, I was like, "Don't you get shit for being like both sides?" And he was like, "Isn't that insane though? Like, that the people who are like trying to see things reasonably are the ones who are like getting attacked?"

Joe Rogan 5:32 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 5:32 He's like, "No, the middle used to be the people looking at the zealots being like, 'You're fucking crazy.' And now they're looking at us and they're like, 'You guys need to be stopped.'" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:40 (laughs) The middle needs to be stopped.

Bridget Phetasy 5:41 "All of this reason needs to be stopped."

Joe Rogan 5:44 Well, because you make them confront their own biases.

Bridget Phetasy 5:47 Yeah. Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:47 That's what the problem is. When you're a... if you're a reasonable person, espec- especially if you're someone like you or I, who has a platform and you're reasonable, and there's a lot of people listening, and then people are like, "Wow, she's, she's actually s- got some good points. No, she doesn't! She's a fascist!"

Bridget Phetasy 6:02 (laughs) Look, I'm no Alyssa Milano, I don't have a platform like you guys-

Joe Rogan 6:06 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 6:07 (laughs) ... but...

Joe Rogan 6:08 Well, it's a real shame that her platform is a third of mine.

Bridget Phetasy 6:11 (laughs) That's like a really... (laughs) I'm really delusional. I wanna-

Joe Rogan 6:16 The... (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 6:17 This is the two plus two equals five math. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:20 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 6:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:20 Yeah, that math is, uh, that's like Hollywood math-

Bridget Phetasy 6:23 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:23 ... when they tell you a movie didn't make any money.

Bridget Phetasy 6:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:25 Yeah, listen-

Bridget Phetasy 6:26 Yeah. It's-

Joe Rogan 6:26 Listen, Hooker.

Bridget Phetasy 6:26 ... it's really wild watching-

Joe Rogan 6:29 (clears throat)

Bridget Phetasy 6:29 ... the hatred that people who are... Um, even... So the other day, I saw... I, I'll say something like, I've heard, because I put out an article, and it was like, uh, um, why I don't, why I'm not voting for the president. I'm like, "Fuck this. I'm out." Um, and I got all these emails, like 900 emails in two days from people who are conservative voting for Biden, from people who are Democrats voting... And I'm saying, I'm like, "I'm hearing a lot of people saying that they've never voted for Trump or considered it, and they're going to." And they're like, "That's propaganda." I was like, "Pro- so anything you don't want to hear is propaganda?" Like, I'm just reporting what I'm hearing anecdotally-

Joe Rogan 7:12 Exactly.

Bridget Phetasy 7:12 ... from people, and you're telling me it's propaganda, which is-

Joe Rogan 7:15 It's, it's really the opposite of propaganda because-

Bridget Phetasy 7:17 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:18 ... the problem is the, the media overwhelmingly is liberal.

Bridget Phetasy 7:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Overwhelmingly. Like, there's Fox News, and what is that AON? What is that?

Bridget Phetasy 7:28 Oh. Oh.

Joe Rogan 7:28 The QAnon Network?

Bridget Phetasy 7:29 Oh, no. Whatever. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:30 Whatever it is.

Bridget Phetasy 7:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:31 There's, there's one, (laughs) there's one crazy network-

Bridget Phetasy 7:33 One America Network.

Joe Rogan 7:34 ... that's like full-

Bridget Phetasy 7:35 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:35 ... full right on the edge of the cliff-

Bridget Phetasy 7:37 They're right there.

Joe Rogan 7:37 ... with a fucking eagle tattoo on their back.

Bridget Phetasy 7:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:39 And then you have everything else. I mean-

Bridget Phetasy 7:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:42 ... everything else is liberal, whether it's, whether they pretend to be or not. They, they lean liberal, whether it's NBC, CBS-

Bridget Phetasy 7:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:48 ... MSNBC, of course CNN. CNN is, CNN's atrocious.

Bridget Phetasy 7:52 This is what I-

Joe Rogan 7:53 They, they're so bad.

Bridget Phetasy 7:54 ... does. (sighs)

Joe Rogan 7:54 They used to be my favorite source of news. And now I, I see, when, when you see Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo talking about white people and, and, and, and how, like, white people have every advantage, like, "Why don't you have an education? Why don't you have a loan?"

Bridget Phetasy 8:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:08 Like, and, and Chris Cuomo's just standing there, like, letting Don Lemon say this. I'm like, "What are you guys talking about?"

Bridget Phetasy 8:12 They're parodies.

Joe Rogan 8:13 You guys, have you ever been to Appalachia?

Bridget Phetasy 8:14 No, they haven't.

Joe Rogan 8:15 Do, do, do you know about r- really poor white people?

Bridget Phetasy 8:17 No.

Joe Rogan 8:17 They're, they're there. There's p- poor white people all over the world.

Bridget Phetasy 8:20 I tweeted something about-

Joe Rogan 8:21 It's so crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 8:22 ... they were like, "Don Lemon's calling out celebrities, and I am here for it." And I was like, "Don Lemon is the arsonist standing in the house-"

Joe Rogan 8:28 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 8:28 "... asking for everyone else to put out the fire." Like, what? This guy has been so divisive. He's so... What are you even talking about?

Joe Rogan 8:35 All, all generalizations, all of them-

Bridget Phetasy 8:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:37 ... do nobody any good.

Bridget Phetasy 8:38 No, but they're fun.

Joe Rogan 8:39 But I just made one.

Bridget Phetasy 8:40 I know, but they're so fun.

Joe Rogan 8:41 Yeah. They are very fun. I mean, we're s- we're comics.

Bridget Phetasy 8:43 Yeah, you-

Joe Rogan 8:43 We just, we-

Bridget Phetasy 8:43 ... you have-

Joe Rogan 8:43 ... we live in the world of generalizations.

Bridget Phetasy 8:45 I said this waitressing, stereotypes don't exist in a void. Like, as-

Joe Rogan 8:50 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 8:50 ... a waitress, it was-

Joe Rogan 8:50 No.

Bridget Phetasy 8:50 ... 10% waitressing, 90% trying not to profile people. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:56 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 8:56 That was the hardest part of my job. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:58 Anti-bias training.

Bridget Phetasy 8:59 It's just like, "All right, these white ladies aren't gonna be a pain in the ass. These white ladies, ah, fuck!"

Joe Rogan 9:04 Yeah, but the fact-

Bridget Phetasy 9:05 "They're a pain in the ass."

Joe Rogan 9:06 But the fact that you can say that on CNN, you could say something ridiculously biased and in a j- a gross generalization on CNN, as long as you're saying it-

Bridget Phetasy 9:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:14 ... about the right people.

Bridget Phetasy 9:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:16 Whether you're, you're mocking all Trump supporters and being dumb. Do you remember when he did that?

Bridget Phetasy 9:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:20 And then there was this whole thing where they, like, said, "I was not mocking them. I, I heard a joke-"

Bridget Phetasy 9:24 When they made, like, the redneck voice?

Joe Rogan 9:26 "... and I laughed." Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 9:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:26 But it was, he was, like, fake laughing.

Bridget Phetasy 9:28 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:28 It was, like, it was so not funny.

Bridget Phetasy 9:30 (laughs) It was...

Joe Rogan 9:31 I was like, "What is this?" It was like when you go to one of those alt rooms and, and, and, and someone's laughing at some shit that you know nobody thinks is really funny. Like, "What is happening here?"

Bridget Phetasy 9:39 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:39 "What is this weird voodoo in the air that's forcing people to comply?"

Bridget Phetasy 9:42 I think one, one of the things that really was surprising to me that I'm hearing from a lot of people, and in my next column I kind of talk about this, is like the r- the mainstream media inadvertently red-pilled a huge sector of America during the pandemic.

Joe Rogan 9:58 Oh, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 9:58 Because they were like, "Lock up. This is for the best. Shut your business down. Don't bring your kids to school. Miss funerals, miss weddings, miss graduations, miss sports, miss comedy, miss everything."

Joe Rogan 10:11 Miss trick-or-treating. Did you see that shit-

Bridget Phetasy 10:13 Yeah, I did. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:13 ... in LA?

Bridget Phetasy 10:13 And then they were like, "Oh, but protests are okay," and everyone in Ame- You know, how many people protested? Like, what percentage? Was it like 1., .01%? It wasn't-

Joe Rogan 10:22 Enough to spread the virus.

Bridget Phetasy 10:24 Enough- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:25 Good solid number. How about de Blasio? He said the only protests you can do are Black Lives Matter protests. Like, hey motherfucker, this is America.

Bridget Phetasy 10:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:33 You can't do that.

Bridget Phetasy 10:34 No.

Joe Rogan 10:35 You can't say-

Bridget Phetasy 10:35 De Blasio's a parody though. He-

Joe Rogan 10:37 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 10:37 How is he even real? He can't be real.

Joe Rogan 10:40 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 10:40 He can't be-

Joe Rogan 10:41 He's a South Park mayor.

Bridget Phetasy 10:42 We are living in a South Park.

Joe Rogan 10:43 (laughs) We are.

Bridget Phetasy 10:44 It's, and so, yeah, I, I keep hearing this from people that that was... You know, I don't even think it was a protest because I think most people are actually on board, especially around George Floyd. Everyone was pretty united, like, "This is horrific."

Joe Rogan 10:56 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 10:56 "We need to address this. Police brutality is a problem."

Joe Rogan 11:00 Someone should've stepped up though. Some mayor should've stepped up and said, "I am with you, but we are going to have a real problem with health if we just all gather in a street like this."

Bridget Phetasy 11:11 And it's not even in the street. It's the making posters beforehand at your buddy's house, you know?

Joe Rogan 11:16 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 11:16 And, like, getting together afterwards and having drinks. E- Everybody was still getting together in apartments and houses before and after these protests. And it's interesting, it, it, it's just that, the thing I keep hearing is not even, it's not even the protests, it's the rioting. And when you're se- standing in front of a burning building and you're saying, "These are mostly peaceful..." People fucking have eyes.

Joe Rogan 11:37 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 11:38 Like, you are lying to their face, and I just think they overplayed their hand. They-

Joe Rogan 11:42 I think you're right. That CNN piece, it said how the, the riots are being misconstrued by right-wing media-

Bridget Phetasy 11:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:50 ... while they're most- mostly peaceful riots.

Bridget Phetasy 11:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:52 And they're, they made that with a photo of a building on fire.

Bridget Phetasy 11:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:58 It is so, (laughs) it is so crazy-

Bridget Phetasy 11:59 (laughing) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:59 ... how gaslighty that is.

Bridget Phetasy 12:01 It's not-

Joe Rogan 12:01 That's the biggest gaslighting event of our time.

Bridget Phetasy 12:04 It's actually just demanding that you swallow the lie.

Joe Rogan 12:08 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 12:08 It's even worse than gaslighting. It's just demanding you comply-

Joe Rogan 12:12 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 12:12 ... with the, the lie that they're presenting. Now, we get this on the right too-

Joe Rogan 12:17 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 12:17 ... where it's like, I, you'll directly contradict something that is clearly on video that you said.

Joe Rogan 12:22 Climate change.

Bridget Phetasy 12:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:23 Climate change is the, the biggest one on the right where they're, they just full on try to deny climate change, and it's a part of the narrative of the ideology of the right. There's a lot of people that just deny the narrative of climate change.

Bridget Phetasy 12:35 There are young...... Republicans who are changing this, though. And, uh, you should have some of them on because they're young.

Joe Rogan 12:43 Give me some names.

Bridget Phetasy 12:43 I will. There are some young kids who are-

Joe Rogan 12:46 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 12:46 ... really pushing back against... They don't like that. They believe that we should conserve our parks, that we should conserve... That it's important. And they hate that it's become this kind of partisan thing and that it's now Republicans are anti-climate, is this messaging. And so there, there are some young people in that space. They just don't have a big enough voice, really, yet. But they're, they're out there and they're pushing back against that, and they have some really cool things that are going, going on.

Joe Rogan 13:11 Well, that's good because there does need to be some pushback. The problem with the narrative on the right is that they're so pro-business that they're willing to sacrifice some environmental standards.

Bridget Phetasy 13:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:21 And people see the repercussions of that.

Bridget Phetasy 13:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:23 They're, they're like, "Hey. Listen, I understand that you want people to be able to work and you want people to make a living and you wanna raise the standard," and trickle-down economics and all that shit, "but you, you can't, you can't sacrifice the fucking environment."

Bridget Phetasy 13:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:36 Like, that should be a no-brainer. First, do no harm, right?

Bridget Phetasy 13:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:38 Like a doctor. First do no harm. And that you're doing harm. Like you can't make money while you're polluting.

Bridget Phetasy 13:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:45 Like that's, that's not good for anybody's future.

Bridget Phetasy 13:48 Yeah. They're seeing this in, in areas where the... You know, I think it was reading, like, the Louisiana belt, there's, like, tons of instances of more COVID mortality in the, like, Chemical Alley where all those fucking chemical plants are.

Joe Rogan 14:01 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 14:01 And that's the kind of untold cost and... Cause and effect that we need to pay more attention to. And then this is why I hate when these things... Like the climate shouldn't be... It... We should be able to have a conversation about this. And I think with the right wing, it's m-... It's more that it's, uh, used as a cudgel to just silence everybody and you're supposed to just get on board, and there are so many things that are... A lot of them will agree that they're... We might be having some effect on it, but what is the best way to, to try and make those changes? So that nuanced conversation is what needs to happen and everything is just partisan.

Joe Rogan 14:39 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 14:39 Everything. Even the mask thing.

Joe Rogan 14:41 (clears throat)

Bridget Phetasy 14:41 Like all-

Joe Rogan 14:42 That's f-

Bridget Phetasy 14:42 ... all of it.

Joe Rogan 14:43 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 14:43 And you wanna be able to come from a place of facts. It's the same with, you know, police brutality. All of these things... If we can start with what the actual facts are, that would be awesome and productive, but we don't (laughs) ... We don't start there. We start with, like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:56 Well, the police brutality thing, all you get is videos of horrific actions.

Bridget Phetasy 14:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 14:59 You know, I saw a video. There's a really terrible video that's going around right now that people are using as evidence that cops are racist because they didn't shoot this white guy who wound up shooting and killing a cop in Oklahoma. Did you see it?

Bridget Phetasy 15:12 Oh, I haven't seen it.

Joe Rogan 15:13 It's a-

Bridget Phetasy 15:13 I've been blissfully offline.

Joe Rogan 15:15 Every time I drink coffee with cream I say, "I'm not gonna do that again," 'cause I do it on the podcast and then I get phlegm and I have to... (coughs)

Bridget Phetasy 15:20 Oh. That's all right. It makes you human, Joe.

Joe Rogan 15:22 (clears throat) Sorry for people listening.

Bridget Phetasy 15:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:24 It's annoying, bro. But it's, it's a bad video. Um, they pull this guy over. They mace him. Um, they, they, they, they, they hit him with the pepper spray. They tase him. They do everything. And he's just as f- drugged up or a psycho.

Bridget Phetasy 15:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:38 Who knows? And they get into some sort of a wrestling exchange and he gets the cop's gun and unloads-

Bridget Phetasy 15:44 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 15:44 ... into this guy's bo-... And you hear the cop-

Bridget Phetasy 15:46 Wow.

Joe Rogan 15:46 You... From the cop's body camera, you see him get shot and you see him scream.

Bridget Phetasy 15:50 This is the fucking thing about our dystopia that I hate. I've seen someone die, like, every day for the t- past two weeks online. You know, where it's just-

Joe Rogan 15:58 But, but here's my point. This... People are looking at this saying, "Oh, the cops are racist 'cause if that was a Black guy, they would have shot him."

Bridget Phetasy 16:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:04 My position is, okay, this is... These are two totally different cops and maybe they didn't shoot him because they would have never shot anybody. May- maybe these t-

Bridget Phetasy 16:12 Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 16:13 ... these cops never would have shot a Black guy or a white guy or an Asian guy or anybody. But the point is, this is how dangerous it is to be a cop.

Bridget Phetasy 16:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:20 And this is why non-lea... There's two cops on one guy and they can't control this motherfucker.

Bridget Phetasy 16:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:25 And this is why non-lethal methods are... Th- the cops are reluctant to use them sometimes.

Bridget Phetasy 16:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:31 And this is also... It just shows you how fucking hard it is to be a cop. You get this crazy dude and you can't tase him, you can't pepper spray him.

Bridget Phetasy 16:39 No.

Joe Rogan 16:39 He still gets your gun and, and shoots and kills one of you.

Bridget Phetasy 16:42 (laughs) You're-

Joe Rogan 16:42 I mean, it's fucking nuts.

Bridget Phetasy 16:43 It is nuts. I mean, it, it's, uh... And I think you can't really jump to, "Oh, this is racism," with no evidence of racism. You know, you've-

Joe Rogan 16:51 Right. In that case, there is no racism, right? But what they're saying is-

Bridget Phetasy 16:54 Well, as far as we know.

Joe Rogan 16:56 ... if this was a Black guy, they would have shot him. And I understand why they feel like that because there are all these videos-

Bridget Phetasy 17:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:01 ... of Black guys getting shot by cops, and it is horrible. But this situation is two totally different human beings. That's the problem. It's in the generalization. It's, uh... The problem isn't stereotypes. The problem isn't the fact... Well, the f-... The real problem is that these fucking cops exist at all that would, would shoot a guy that's Black just because he's Black.

Bridget Phetasy 17:21 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:21 And those guys are real.

Bridget Phetasy 17:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:23 The... Those cops are... There are... And there's so many cops out there that have PTSD.

Bridget Phetasy 17:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:26 So many cops out there that they, they just don't know what is going on and they'll just shoot.

Bridget Phetasy 17:31 And-

Joe Rogan 17:31 There's a lot of that.

Bridget Phetasy 17:32 Yeah. And I mean, I had... I've had people writing me saying, like, "W- I, I work with cops and they need better training."

Joe Rogan 17:38 100%.

Bridget Phetasy 17:38 You know, they... They're... Cops themselves will say, "We need more training," and to act like some of them aren't racist is... It's delusional. It's acting like... All of them are, you know?

Joe Rogan 17:48 Exactly.

Bridget Phetasy 17:49 I think you have to take it on an... a case-by-case basis. Honestly, the thing that Sam... Did you listen to Sam Harris's-

Joe Rogan 17:55 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 17:55 ... hour-long thing that he did?

Joe Rogan 17:56 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 17:56 That... Everyone should listen to that.

Joe Rogan 17:59 It's very good.

Bridget Phetasy 17:59 You know? It's v-... It's based very much in, in what we know as far as facts because he's-

Joe Rogan 18:04 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 18:04 ... like, super reasonable.

Joe Rogan 18:06 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 18:07 And, um, it was... That... I th-... I sent it to, like, my dad, who's super... You know, my, my left... My ce- center-left people in my life. And he was like, "That was very good." You know? I don't think he hears that perspective.

Joe Rogan 18:19 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 18:20 Whereas-

Joe Rogan 18:20 Well, Sam's, Sam's a brave man.

Bridget Phetasy 18:22 (laughs) Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 18:22 Sam Harris is a brave man because he's already been attacked so many times for having these unconventional but very reasonable positions, and yet he still puts them out there. And he knows before he puts them out there that he's gonna get some flak and get some... But he's... He deleted his Twitter from his phone. He doesn't have Twitter on his phone anymore.

Bridget Phetasy 18:40 Yeah, I don't have it on my phone.

Joe Rogan 18:41 Yeah. That... Doing things like that can have a big impact.

Bridget Phetasy 18:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:44 I was talking to Schaub today. He's deleted all social media from his phone. He doesn't have any social media in his life anymore.

Bridget Phetasy 18:49 Yeah. I, I really only use Twitter and I only have it on my desktop so that if I'm... I can only check it when I'm, like, in front of a computer. I don't have it-

Joe Rogan 18:56 That's even worse though, 'cause then you should be writing.

Bridget Phetasy 18:58 Yeah. I mean, that might-

Joe Rogan 19:00 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 19:00 That might be a problem, too.

Joe Rogan 19:01 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 19:01 I might just need to delete it completely. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:03 I, I think I'm gonna get a computer that doesn't connect to the internet.... I think, uh, a, you know-

Bridget Phetasy 19:07 (laughs) Like from 1982? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:09 No, they have those. Like Snowden has one that has, like, a switch-

Bridget Phetasy 19:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:14 ... where you literally shut the Wi-Fi off.

Bridget Phetasy 19:16 Oh, okay. I might need that.

Joe Rogan 19:17 So you can't get tempted.

Bridget Phetasy 19:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:18 So, like, while you're working, the Wi-Fi's off. I mean, you could always go to the Wi-Fi and do the fucking-

Bridget Phetasy 19:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:23 But it seems like a, like a, like a switch.

Bridget Phetasy 19:25 They have apps for that too. I think there's-

Joe Rogan 19:27 Fucking app.

Bridget Phetasy 19:28 No.

Joe Rogan 19:28 I want a button. Like a click.

Bridget Phetasy 19:30 You could just unplug the Wi-Fi.

Joe Rogan 19:31 No.

Bridget Phetasy 19:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:33 No. It's just too tempting, 'cause y- th- this, I mean, you're a writer. You know as much as anybody. The, the, the temptation to procrastinate.

Bridget Phetasy 19:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:42 It's so hard to avoid.

Bridget Phetasy 19:44 I mean, I lo- I, I would, I actually wanna know how many words I've written on Twitter, and I've deleted ... I always kind of just delete. I'll, I'll go, have a mood where I'm like, "I'm deleting everything." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:54 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 19:54 And then I'll just delete every tweet. And so I was thinking, like, "God, it's, it's really a shame how many books I've written on Twitter." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:02 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 20:03 It's just like-

Joe Rogan 20:04 Yeah, but also Twitter-

Bridget Phetasy 20:05 ... I wrote, like, a great American novel. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:07 ... Twitter's also given you a very large following. That's how, I mean, I, I knew you-

Bridget Phetasy 20:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:11 ... from the store, but I really got into your shit because of Twitter.

Bridget Phetasy 20:14 Yeah, no. I, I think you can tell pretty quickly about someone on Twitter. I think it's the best social media for seeing who someone is, because everyone ... No one's afraid to be kind of their piece-of-shit self on Twitter, you know?

Joe Rogan 20:28 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 20:28 It's really the mo- m- it's the most honest, I think, of social medias, because it's primarily a battle of the wits. And-

Joe Rogan 20:34 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 20:35 ... um, it's not-

Joe Rogan 20:36 If you choose to engage.

Bridget Phetasy 20:38 It's not so much, uh, like, Instagram, which I can't stand. I don't know how people ... I, I don't know how anyone does Instagram.

Joe Rogan 20:46 Are you on it?

Bridget Phetasy 20:46 I'm on it, but I never use it. I hate it. I go on-

Joe Rogan 20:49 What do you hate about it?

Bridget Phetasy 20:50 I just, every, it's so fake. It's so curated. I know, because all the people on Instagram showing me their lives, they call me with all their problems. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:00 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 21:00 I'm like, "I know what's going on in your life, bitch. It's not looking like this."

Joe Rogan 21:05 That's so funny. It's so true. It's-

Bridget Phetasy 21:06 And so I think it's just is, like, phony to me, and I go in there and I'm like, "I can't." And all the women are just g-

Joe Rogan 21:11 Isn't that weird?

Bridget Phetasy 21:12 How does anyone feel okay about themel- self on there? I spent five minutes on there. I was like, "I'm old. I'm ugly." (laughs) I'm getting chest wrinkles. How do I get rid of chest wrinkles?

Joe Rogan 21:23 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 21:23 (laughs) I gotta call Whitney.

Joe Rogan 21:25 Antioxidant cream.

Bridget Phetasy 21:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:25 Call Whitney. Yeah, she'll, she'll get you on NAD drip.

Bridget Phetasy 21:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:29 Yeah, this, um, this filter thing that everyone's using-

Bridget Phetasy 21:32 Oh, that one-

Joe Rogan 21:33 ... is so bananas.

Bridget Phetasy 21:33 ... that you posted about your daughter? That your daughter's filter-

Joe Rogan 21:36 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 21:36 ... made you the pretty lady?

Joe Rogan 21:37 How weird is that?

Bridget Phetasy 21:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:39 You know, that was used in a class at, uh, at Texas Tech.

Bridget Phetasy 21:42 (laughs) That's terrifying.

Joe Rogan 21:43 Yeah, it is terrifying.

Bridget Phetasy 21:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:45 But that's what girls are dealing with. They look at themselves in the mirror, and then they look at, like, like, the, the Kourtney or Khloe? Which one?

Bridget Phetasy 21:52 None of those people are real.

Joe Rogan 21:53 But the, which, which, which was the one where she had a totally different head?

Bridget Phetasy 21:56 Oh, maybe the o- I don't know any of them. The old one?

Joe Rogan 21:59 Jamie?

Narrator 21:59 Yeah, the other-

Joe Rogan 22:00 Which one?

Narrator 22:01 You're right.

Joe Rogan 22:01 Which one?

Narrator 22:02 Khloe.

Joe Rogan 22:03 Khloe.

Narrator 22:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:03 Khloe.

Bridget Phetasy 22:03 Okay.

Joe Rogan 22:04 I mean, you know what she looks like.

Bridget Phetasy 22:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:06 She looks one way, and then the picture was like, "Okay, who's this?"

Bridget Phetasy 22:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:09 And it wasn't her. I mean, sh- they're doing stuff. They're moving their frame around and changing-

Bridget Phetasy 22:14 Yeah, but they're also-

Joe Rogan 22:15 ... and it was so-

Bridget Phetasy 22:15 ... doing stuff in real life.

Joe Rogan 22:17 But this one was so bad that she Photoshopped one side of the chain on her neck off, so she's wearing a chain. She's got, like, a little chain.

Bridget Phetasy 22:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:25 But she didn't realize, it's a very thin chain, that she had accidentally Photoshopped one side of the chain-

Bridget Phetasy 22:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:31 ... was gone, was not in the image. Like, look at it.

Bridget Phetasy 22:36 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 22:37 But look at the, the chain. Like, half-

Bridget Phetasy 22:39 Oh my god.

Joe Rogan 22:39 ... like on the right-hand side? The chain is missing.

Bridget Phetasy 22:42 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:43 Because she's done-

Bridget Phetasy 22:44 Is that even her body? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:45 I mean, I guess. Maybe.

Bridget Phetasy 22:47 That is so cra- I mean-

Joe Rogan 22:49 But it's so damaging.

Bridget Phetasy 22:50 That's so p- much pressure for young girls.

Joe Rogan 22:53 And her as well. She's gotta go outside.

Bridget Phetasy 22:55 Well, her. I'm not worried about her. Um, but d- do you-

Joe Rogan 22:58 I'm worried about her too. I am.

Bridget Phetasy 22:59 Okay.

Joe Rogan 22:59 I really-

Bridget Phetasy 23:00 I'm worried about her.

Joe Rogan 23:00 She's a human being.

Bridget Phetasy 23:01 She is.

Joe Rogan 23:02 You stop.

Bridget Phetasy 23:03 But-

Joe Rogan 23:03 That's how you get, that's how you get people off your case.

Bridget Phetasy 23:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:06 You attack other people.

Bridget Phetasy 23:07 (laughs) No, I'm not attacking.

Joe Rogan 23:09 What are you ... No, I'm attacking you.

Bridget Phetasy 23:10 Uh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:10 What you're doing is problematic.

Bridget Phetasy 23:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:12 It's terrible. I can't ... She's a person. She's a human being.

Bridget Phetasy 23:15 You're dehumanizing a Kardashian. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:17 It's really bad.

Bridget Phetasy 23:18 I know.

Joe Rogan 23:19 It's not cool.

Bridget Phetasy 23:20 I don't feel bad for them.

Joe Rogan 23:22 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 23:22 They're rich and-

Joe Rogan 23:23 Wow, but that's a problem when you say things like that, 'cause they suffer from mental illness-

Bridget Phetasy 23:27 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:27 ... as well as anybody. We all suffer.

Bridget Phetasy 23:30 We do. But it's easier when you're rich.

Joe Rogan 23:33 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 23:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:34 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 23:34 Can we just agree on that?

Narrator 23:35 That's the, that's the bo- same ... I think that could be the same picture.

Joe Rogan 23:39 Oh, well, how did they do the face smile in that?

Narrator 23:41 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 23:41 That doesn't make sense.

Narrator 23:42 Well, I mean, that, I don't mean the exact same photo. I'm sorry, but, like, the same photo shoot.

Joe Rogan 23:46 Oh. Wow. That's crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 23:48 I don't know. Well, uh, they, they have a lot done to their bodies too.

Joe Rogan 23:52 I think someone could probably do that at a doctor's office, could make her look like that too.

Bridget Phetasy 23:55 I mean, if I had enough money, maybe.

Joe Rogan 23:57 That's really crazy. You think so?

Bridget Phetasy 23:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:59 Get crazy?

Bridget Phetasy 24:00 We'll see when I have money.

Joe Rogan 24:01 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 24:01 I'll be like, "Hey." I'll come in, I'm, like, completely different.

Joe Rogan 24:04 I'll be like, "Where's-"

Bridget Phetasy 24:05 Yeah, like, "Where's Bridget?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:06 "... Bridget? And who are you? Hi."

Bridget Phetasy 24:08 Be like, "I'm Bridget. I just got rich and now I have tons of work."

Joe Rogan 24:13 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 24:13 "I've reconstructed my entire being."

Joe Rogan 24:16 Remember when Renee Zellweger did some stuff?

Bridget Phetasy 24:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:18 And everybody was like-

Bridget Phetasy 24:18 It ruins their life.

Joe Rogan 24:19 ... "What do you ... You can't ... We know what you look like."

Bridget Phetasy 24:22 That, what was the, who was the original one who did this?

Joe Rogan 24:24 Jennifer b-

Bridget Phetasy 24:24 Jennifer Grey.

Joe Rogan 24:25 Yeah, from-

Bridget Phetasy 24:26 She, yeah, she said it ruined her life. She was, like-

Joe Rogan 24:28 Really?

Bridget Phetasy 24:28 ... known for her nose, and then she got the nose job and then that, it, it kind of ruined her ability to get booked.

Joe Rogan 24:35 To work.

Bridget Phetasy 24:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:36 Oh, wow.

Bridget Phetasy 24:37 I think she said that. I might be making that up. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:38 That makes sense. 'Cause she kinda stopped working.

Bridget Phetasy 24:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:42 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 24:42 And she was hot.

Joe Rogan 24:44 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 24:44 I mean.

Joe Rogan 24:44 Yeah, I mean, the, it's ... A nose that's not perfect does not make you unsexy. It just doesn't.

Bridget Phetasy 24:52 It comes from within.

Joe Rogan 24:54 Mm.

Bridget Phetasy 24:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:56 Mm. Let's not get crazy. (laughs) She had a beautiful body. She had a great personality. She was pretty.

Bridget Phetasy 25:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:03 She just had a non-perfect nose.

Bridget Phetasy 25:05 It's funny, I was just-

Joe Rogan 25:06 But guess what? So do I.

Bridget Phetasy 25:07 I, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:08 And a lot of people do.

Bridget Phetasy 25:08 Me to-

Joe Rogan 25:08 Yeah, my-

Bridget Phetasy 25:08 I was just joking about this the other day. Like, someone was asking me how I stay sane in COVID and what I'm doing. I'm like, "I focus on the only two things that matter in life, being hot and rich." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:20 (laughs) ... try to, trying to get hotter and richer.

Bridget Phetasy 25:24 Just, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:24 That's, that's the run.

Bridget Phetasy 25:25 I get mad on Twitter, I do push-ups. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:27 (laughs) Well, I just... You know, the temptation to alter your face like that is, uh... I guess if you see what some of the success stories-

Bridget Phetasy 25:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:38 ... you know, like some of the other Kardashians that have done it and it worked out awesome.

Bridget Phetasy 25:41 Yeah, there's a lot of pressure.

Joe Rogan 25:42 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 25:43 You know, there, there's-

Joe Rogan 25:43 For sure.

Bridget Phetasy 25:43 ... definitely. I was not too into any of it, and then I started being on camera more with all these media hits and I was like, "Oh, man." I had a... Somebody did a screen cap for one of the interviews I did. I was like, "Does the person doing this hate me? Why would they choose that?" I looked like I was eating sheet cake for breakfast.

Joe Rogan 26:00 (laughs) Did they catch you, like, with eyes half-closed but the mouth open?

Bridget Phetasy 26:03 It was like three... I was like, "How many chins do I have?"

Joe Rogan 26:06 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 26:06 I did, after this, the last time I was on your show, I just kept getting emails, "Stop eating bread." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:12 Whoa. People are saying that to you? That's so rude.

Bridget Phetasy 26:15 Yeah. Calling me, texting me, and emailing me.

Joe Rogan 26:18 Friends?

Bridget Phetasy 26:18 Friends were saying this.

Joe Rogan 26:20 Stop eating bread?

Bridget Phetasy 26:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:21 Wow.

Bridget Phetasy 26:21 This is the kind of pressure that Hollywood puts on you.

Joe Rogan 26:24 exhales deeply Can't you just be funny?

Bridget Phetasy 26:28 Yeah, but-

Joe Rogan 26:28 Can't, can't someone just be funny and smart?

Bridget Phetasy 26:29 I mean, fat-shaming works. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:31 It does work. That's the problem. It's worked on me.

Bridget Phetasy 26:34 It's worked on me.

Joe Rogan 26:35 When I went on that carnivore diet, one of the reasons I w-... I got up to, like, 205 pounds-

Bridget Phetasy 26:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:38 ... which for me is kinda fat.

Bridget Phetasy 26:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:40 I was getting a l- a belly, and I was getting these love handles, and we did this weigh-in thing-

Bridget Phetasy 26:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:44 ... for Sober October, and people were like, "Look at your belly." I'm like, "Fuck."

Bridget Phetasy 26:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:48 "It is kinda sticking out." And I had, uh, I got there for the, that episode-

Bridget Phetasy 26:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:53 ... at the worst time, 'cause I'd eaten.

Bridget Phetasy 26:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:56 And I eat like a wolf.

Bridget Phetasy 26:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:57 I eat like there's no food coming forever. Like, I'll eat, like, two steaks and I'll eat a, like, a bowl of pasta. I got-

Bridget Phetasy 27:04 You must love Texas.

Joe Rogan 27:05 I love it out here, but-

Bridget Phetasy 27:05 Yeah, I could eat barbecue for breakfast.

Joe Rogan 27:08 Ha- which places have you gone to?

Bridget Phetasy 27:09 What's the one where Matthew McConaughey, um, the s- the s-... Oh, it's the one where Matthew McConaughey, um, w- said his favorite, famous line in Dazed and Confused?

Joe Rogan 27:19 Oh, I don't know.

Bridget Phetasy 27:19 It's the... Oh, it's good. They use pepper.

Joe Rogan 27:21 Terry Black's?

Bridget Phetasy 27:22 No, it's Spitfire... Spit...

Joe Rogan 27:24 There's so many out here. You can't be bad and stay open.

Narrator 27:27 Style Switch.

Bridget Phetasy 27:28 Yes. Oh-ho-ho-ho.

Joe Rogan 27:30 Oh. Oh.

Bridget Phetasy 27:31 So good.

Joe Rogan 27:32 It's the place.

Bridget Phetasy 27:33 So good.

Joe Rogan 27:33 For a l- a place that has, like, two million people living in it-

Bridget Phetasy 27:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:36 ... they have, like, 150,000 barbecue spots. There he is, right there.

Bridget Phetasy 27:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:40 Hey, all right, all right.

Bridget Phetasy 27:41 It's not painted like that anymore.

Joe Rogan 27:43 All right, all right.

Bridget Phetasy 27:44 Yeah. Uh, yeah, that place was amazing. I went to the other one that's really big, um, the really famous one that's kinda out.

Joe Rogan 27:52 Franklin's?

Bridget Phetasy 27:53 No, I haven't been there yet. I heard it's amazing.

Joe Rogan 27:55 La Barbecue?

Bridget Phetasy 27:56 No, it's, uh-

Joe Rogan 27:57 Just you and I, we could d- do this all day long.

Bridget Phetasy 27:58 It begins with an R.

Joe Rogan 27:58 It'd be a real problem.

Bridget Phetasy 27:59 Yeah, it's like an hour live us just naming barbecue places. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:03 Yeah. Um, I found out through Adam Curry that there actually was, uh, Germans come, came here and they, they had, like, a smoked meat tradition-

Bridget Phetasy 28:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:12 ... from Germany, and that's... And they brought that and it became Texas barbecue.

Bridget Phetasy 28:15 Have you been down to Green?

Joe Rogan 28:17 Green?

Bridget Phetasy 28:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:18 Green, Texas? You know where she means?

Bridget Phetasy 28:18 It's, uh, it's not far, but there's, like, a old, um, it's a dance hall kind of common. We went the other night. It was awesome. There was just a guy. I have a video.

Joe Rogan 28:28 Did you dance?

Bridget Phetasy 28:28 I, we were... You can't dance, because everybody's, has to kinda social distance in there.

Joe Rogan 28:32 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 28:33 And he was just s- sitting on stage playing, like, the guitar and, I don't know, it was just a... It's a tiny little town, but I think it's, um, there, uh, is a German-founded town.

Joe Rogan 28:44 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 28:44 Yeah, it's interesting. There's-

Joe Rogan 28:45 Fredericksburg is very German, and that's a place that's, like, got a lot of, like, craft places and wineries and-

Bridget Phetasy 28:52 Yeah, there's-

Joe Rogan 28:53 ... yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 28:53 ... tons of history here.

Joe Rogan 28:55 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 28:55 I was, I was in Georgetown and there was a protest in front of the city hall because of the... There's a Confederate statue. It was a small protest.

Joe Rogan 29:05 Mm-hmm. How many people?

Bridget Phetasy 29:07 Um, it was mostly White people and...

Joe Rogan 29:10 Do you think they got there because of a Russian troll account-

Bridget Phetasy 29:13 N- I don't know.

Joe Rogan 29:14 ... that organized it?

Bridget Phetasy 29:14 It was, uh, e-... And the guy we s-... I spoke to, like, one of the Confederate, like, dudes after.

Joe Rogan 29:19 Supporters?

Bridget Phetasy 29:20 Well, he's a descendant of these fighters and he was trying to explain that they just don't want them to desecrate the... Uh, he's like, "We wouldn't go down to Green and des- desecrate their soldiers, and they were Union soldiers, and we just think you don't desecrate soldiers." That was, like, his whole argument for it, and he's, like, of th- an, of the lineage.

Joe Rogan 29:39 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 29:40 And so I was just chatting with him and, uh, and he was saying-

Joe Rogan 29:44 "Well, I'm, I'm a, I'm a descendant of Mao, and, uh, you know-"

Bridget Phetasy 29:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:47 "... the way I feel is, like, leave Mao alone."

Bridget Phetasy 29:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:50 You know?

Bridget Phetasy 29:50 And he was like, "You know, you just don't come and, like, desecrate the statues and, and whatnot." But he, uh, he said they came every Tuesday and they left at dark. And it seemed like there were reasonable conversa-... It seemed pretty, you know, reasonable. It wasn't, like, screaming on one side and then other... It was, like, pretty chill.

Joe Rogan 30:10 It is a good question, right? Like, if there's something that's openly racist and represents one of the worst aspects of our country's history, like, w- how do you treat it? Do you just leave a statue up? Or should we have, like... Maybe we should have, like, a, a graveyard for Confederate statues, and you could, you could go, "And this one was actually in w- uh, Huntsville, Alabama."

Bridget Phetasy 30:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:29 "It was actually in front of the courthouse until last year. Isn't that crazy?"

Bridget Phetasy 30:32 Mm-hmm. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:33 I'm like, (laughs) y- you could go on a tour. And, like, instead of taking them down and smashing them, wouldn't it be interesting if there was a place you can go where you could see all of them? But then-

Bridget Phetasy 30:42 I-

Joe Rogan 30:42 ... people would go that would be like-

Bridget Phetasy 30:43 And-

Joe Rogan 30:43 ... "We need to put these back!"

Bridget Phetasy 30:44 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:45 "Put them back where they belong!"

Bridget Phetasy 30:47 Well, I, I feel kinda like, yeah, we don't need them, you know, and some... Uh, I, but the problem is there's a process that we usually go through to take them down.

Joe Rogan 30:57 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 30:57 So I would generally err on the side of going through the process, but...

Joe Rogan 31:03 Yeah, but the process doesn't work sometimes.

Bridget Phetasy 31:05 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 31:06 And sometimes people just feel like they just wanna pull them down. Espe-... This is another thing that's going on right now. This is the perfect storm, the convergence of all these different things that are happening at the same time, and one of them being the COVID lockdown.

Bridget Phetasy 31:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:18 Social media, the COVID lockdown, the polarization of our country with Trump, and then, you know, this, this weird thing where everybody has to pretend that Biden isn't dying.

Bridget Phetasy 31:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:30 ... like, this is all happening together at the same time. Like, everyone has to pretend he's gonna do a great job.

Bridget Phetasy 31:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:34 "I'm gonna vote for him. We just need to get Trump out of office." Like, oh my God. Like-

Bridget Phetasy 31:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:38 ... can we freeze this?

Bridget Phetasy 31:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:39 Can we freeze this and rethink this?

Bridget Phetasy 31:41 Y-

Joe Rogan 31:41 Do you guys have anybody else on deck?

Bridget Phetasy 31:42 N- no one. I mean, I guess Harris is on deck.

Joe Rogan 31:44 She's wearing Timberlands.

Bridget Phetasy 31:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:46 I guess she's one of us. (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 31:49 I seriously love the tweet. Whoever it was who was like, "Oh, found the undercover cop." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:54 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 31:54 They're like, "Anyone who sees anyone wearing these in a club, this brand new is the undercover cop."

Joe Rogan 32:00 But Charlamagne-

Bridget Phetasy 32:00 "At the party."

Joe Rogan 32:01 Charlamagne, on Instagram, was like, y- y- you know, 'cause they were saying that she's bringing back Timberlands. And he was like, "What the fuck are you talking about?"

Bridget Phetasy 32:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:09 (laughs) Like, he's a, he's in New York. Like, dudes in New York have been wearing Timberlands forever.

Bridget Phetasy 32:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:14 They've been wearing 'em since the '80s-

Bridget Phetasy 32:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:16 ... or whenever they started wearing 'em. They never stop wearing 'em.

Bridget Phetasy 32:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:19 Like, does, th- she's bringing back Timberlands?

Bridget Phetasy 32:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:21 That's like some guy saying, "I'm bringing back Chucks."

Bridget Phetasy 32:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:23 You know, "I'm j- I'm bringing back Converse All Stars." Fuck you, you are.

Bridget Phetasy 32:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:27 They never went away, man. You can't bring back something that never went away. And Timberlands, in New York especially, never went away.

Bridget Phetasy 32:34 Yeah, you're n- you're not allowed to, um, to go back to Biden. You're not allowed to say that. You're problematic. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:40 Yeah, I'm a problem. But I've been, uh, getting canceled for that for six months now.

Bridget Phetasy 32:45 I said, I said in that column, I said something like, "He may or may not be slipping into dementia." I mentioned about why I'm not voting. And then someone from the New York Times said, "That is a, a widely debunked conspiracy theory, that he's slipping into dementia." And I said, "Okay, I said may or may not, and p- can you post, like, cite your source for where this has been debunked so that my, like, people reading this thread can see it?" And this New York Times researcher, writer says, "Well, I've seen him speaking, and that's just what I gather from..." Like, you seeing something- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:20 Belie- y- you're, you're a bad predator.

Bridget Phetasy 33:22 ... isn't widely debunking a situation. That's not... You... Okay, so you see something and have a different opinion, and other people have a different opinion. That's not widely, like, "Oh, well, I've seen it, and that's it."

Joe Rogan 33:33 Could you imagine? Let's l- let's pretend that Kamala Harris was the Democratic nominee and Biden was a Republican. Could you imagine how savage-

Bridget Phetasy 33:43 No, yeah, no.

Joe Rogan 33:44 ... they would be-

Bridget Phetasy 33:44 No.

Joe Rogan 33:45 ... a- a- attacking his mental incompetence.

Bridget Phetasy 33:47 Yeah, no. No, that's actually a really interesting thought experiment.

Joe Rogan 33:50 Well, this is where this bizarre bias comes into play, and this is where everybody's getting gaslit.

Bridget Phetasy 33:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:56 Because they're pretending that everything's okay because all they wanna do is get Trump outta office. But in doing that, you're exposing this very bizarre tendency that people have to comply and to go along with these lines of thinking and behaving and talking. And I can't get into that, man, 'cause that's cult shit.

Bridget Phetasy 34:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:16 That's religious shit. I mean, that's where these things come from.

Bridget Phetasy 34:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:19 They come from everybody not saying what they really feel because y- there's an agreement that's been made.

Bridget Phetasy 34:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:25 And everybody... You're gonna be on the right team, aren't you? You're gonna do the right thing. You're gonna do the right thing, aren't you?

Bridget Phetasy 34:29 Yeah, or we'll burn your fucking house down.

Joe Rogan 34:31 S- some guy offered me-

Bridget Phetasy 34:32 We have to stop these fascists, or we'll burn your house down. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:35 Some guy offered me an interview with someone who I probably could get an interview with him anyway, and he said, "If you vote for Biden, I will get you this guy as an interview. Come on, we have to save the country."

Bridget Phetasy 34:46 What?

Joe Rogan 34:47 That was, that was the real message I got.

Narrator 34:48 Hmm?

Joe Rogan 34:49 Like, "Hey, bro."

Narrator 34:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:52 Like (laughs) I don't-

Bridget Phetasy 34:53 Jamie's laughing.

Joe Rogan 34:54 That's so g-

Narrator 34:55 Well... So yeah, that's just a... Yeah, I understand where you're going with it. It's like so crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 34:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:59 It's fucking insane. It's, "Come on, we have to save the country."

Bridget Phetasy 35:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:02 Are you sure? What, what about, what about it do you wanna save the c- h- what, what, what part is gonna save? What is it? What's gonna happen?

Bridget Phetasy 35:08 When I was on, I did one of, uh, Bret's, um, Unity Campfires, and-

Joe Rogan 35:12 Oh, did you?

Bridget Phetasy 35:13 Yeah, and, you know, I was asking, uh, I was like, "Everyone is saying that the other side is the existential threat." And then Bret was kinda like, "Well, we need to come together because this, that is the existential threat." But everyone-

Joe Rogan 35:28 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 35:28 ... but isn't that... I'm like, "Why is everyone on Flight 93?" (laughs) You know? Like-

Joe Rogan 35:32 (laughs) Well, everyone's scared.

Bridget Phetasy 35:33 Of course. But it's also... I, I guess maybe I have optimistic faith in America. Like, I don't really see how Trump or Biden, like... W- h- wh- how can m- I don't know. I, I don't think-

Joe Rogan 35:50 The number one thing-

Bridget Phetasy 35:50 I hope that it c- one- either one of them can't destroy America in four years, because that means America's already fucked.

Joe Rogan 35:58 Yeah. Well, we're kind of fucked.

Bridget Phetasy 36:01 (laughs) I don't like to say... I know my, my 16-year-old nephew and all his friends listen, and I don't wanna give these children no hope for the future.

Joe Rogan 36:09 They have hope for the future, but we're fucked.

Bridget Phetasy 36:11 Do they?

Joe Rogan 36:12 Yeah, we do. Yeah. Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 36:13 Okay.

Joe Rogan 36:13 Let's... Listen, we're not in the-

Bridget Phetasy 36:15 What's the, what's the hope?

Joe Rogan 36:15 ... fucking Dark Ages.

Bridget Phetasy 36:16 No.

Joe Rogan 36:16 The Mongols aren't coming over the hills with horses and flaming arrows and shit.

Bridget Phetasy 36:19 This is what I always say. We're... Like, people are like, "There's a civil war." I'm like, "We're too f- America's too fat for a civil war."

Joe Rogan 36:25 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 36:25 Who's, who's fighting? What does that even look like?

Joe Rogan 36:28 There will be more armed conflict.

Bridget Phetasy 36:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:30 There will be. That's, that's gonna happen, because when you have things like the Kenosha guy who shows up o- you know, with an AR, and, and guys try to take his gun-

Bridget Phetasy 36:39 Yeah, they'll, they're LARPing.

Joe Rogan 36:40 ... and he shoots them. All of this th- stuff is crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 36:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:42 All of it's crazy. Like, the... More of that stuff is gonna happen if you have more of these conflicts. Like, the guy in Seattle-

Bridget Phetasy 36:47 And their kids.

Joe Rogan 36:47 Well, the guy in Seattle is not a kid.

Bridget Phetasy 36:49 Well.

Joe Rogan 36:49 Was it Seattle or Portland where he shot-

Bridget Phetasy 36:51 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 36:51 ... shot that... Portland, right?

Bridget Phetasy 36:52 Which-

Joe Rogan 36:52 Portland-

Bridget Phetasy 36:53 ... it's all the same.

Joe Rogan 36:53 ... shot the Trump supporter?

Narrator 36:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:54 Yeah, it was Portland.

Bridget Phetasy 36:55 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 36:55 Yeah, that guy was not a kid.

Bridget Phetasy 36:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:57 He's just a fucking sociopath-

Bridget Phetasy 36:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:59 ... who found a team that he could get with.

Bridget Phetasy 37:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:01 Did you see the interview with him with Vice?

Bridget Phetasy 37:03 Before they killed him?

Joe Rogan 37:04 A- yeah, before they killed him.

Bridget Phetasy 37:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:05 Before the cops killed him.

Bridget Phetasy 37:06 What an idiot.

Joe Rogan 37:08 Did you see the interview?

Bridget Phetasy 37:08 Di- did you ever see, um, Documentary Now, that show, where they made fun of Vice? They parodied Vice.

Joe Rogan 37:14 No.

Bridget Phetasy 37:14 It... That interview with that guy reminded me exactly of the Documentary Now parody of Vice. It was like, "This can't be real." (laughs) How-

Joe Rogan 37:23 Well, they interviewed a guy after he killed a guy in the street with a gun and then was justifying it with like, "Here's my face."

Bridget Phetasy 37:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:32 "Here I am. I definitely did it." Like, admitting that he did it, and the way he did it was in this weird...... culty w- like, to what he was saying, I, I wasn't gonna let him kill one of my friends of color.

Bridget Phetasy 37:45 But-

Joe Rogan 37:45 That's what he said. Like, but it was, it was so clear that this is a person who's, like, saying the things that he thinks you're supposed to say to signal that you're on this team.

Bridget Phetasy 37:55 I think they believe it, though.

Joe Rogan 37:57 Oh, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 37:57 I mean, look, if you believe Trump is literally Hitler, all of that behavior makes sense.

Joe Rogan 38:04 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 38:04 Because what lengths would you go to stop Hitler?

Joe Rogan 38:08 But it's the same thing in not calling out Joe Biden.

Bridget Phetasy 38:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:11 Right? Not saying that Joe Biden is ha- is having mental issues. It's the same thing, because it's all... You're, what you're doing is, you are, you're saying things that don't necessarily have to make sense, but they align you with a group.

Bridget Phetasy 38:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:24 They align you with... You're compliant, you're fitting into the words that need to be said, that, that... It's a cult.

Bridget Phetasy 38:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:30 It's c- And on both sides.

Bridget Phetasy 38:32 Oh.

Joe Rogan 38:32 It's right wing and left wing. It's like-

Bridget Phetasy 38:33 Trump devotion syndrome-

Joe Rogan 38:35 Oh, my God, it's crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 38:36 ... so there's Trump derangement, which is real, and there's Trump devotion syndrome, which is the MAGA side. And it is-

Joe Rogan 38:42 It's real.

Bridget Phetasy 38:42 Oh, I... We made fun of him on Dumpster Fire just because he said something re- like, completely retarded, and deserves to be ma-

Joe Rogan 38:50 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 38:50 All politicians deserve to be mocked.

Joe Rogan 38:52 Ah-

Bridget Phetasy 38:52 What happened, America?

Joe Rogan 38:53 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 38:53 We used to make fun of all of our politicians. And so I think at that, in that same episode, I had made fun of, like, Ben and the whole Cardi B thing, where he went viral. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:05 Yeah. (laughs) "Lites pussy."

Bridget Phetasy 39:06 Which was hilarious, by the way. If you listen to the whole-

Joe Rogan 39:08 "It's actually a gynecological condition."

Bridget Phetasy 39:10 If you listen to the whole 10 minutes, it's a pretty good bit.

Joe Rogan 39:12 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 39:13 Like, it's pretty funny. And so, he went, um-

Joe Rogan 39:16 He's funny.

Bridget Phetasy 39:17 Oh, yeah, he's really funny. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:17 He's a smart, funny dude.

Bridget Phetasy 39:19 Yeah, he's funny. So he retweeted it, and my cousin calls me, she's like, "We... Our m- Our comments on YouTube are, like, insane, people defending Trump." They couldn't get past two minutes of us ma- The next segment, we make fun of Biden, and then proceed to make fun of Nancy Pelosi and everything else. But they could not get past two minutes of us making fun of Dear Leader. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:39 Yeah, well, there's, there's a, there's an issue. I mean, a- and it works on both ways. There's... Trump tweeted a thing recently with, uh, me and Matt Taibbi talking about Biden, where I said that Biden-

Bridget Phetasy 39:49 (laughs) Oh, the flashlight?

Joe Rogan 39:50 Yeah. It's like... (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 39:51 (laughs) That's a great joke.

Joe Rogan 39:52 Thank you.

Bridget Phetasy 39:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:53 Well, I'm a comedian-

Bridget Phetasy 39:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:54 ... and I was making a joke, but on the same podcast, we talked about Trump being a sociopath.

Bridget Phetasy 39:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:59 We ta- we talked about all his li-

Bridget Phetasy 40:00 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:00 It was just fucking lies. Like, it was not a Trump-supporting podcast.

Bridget Phetasy 40:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:05 But Trump's like, "Good enough." Snip.

Bridget Phetasy 40:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:07 "Post it. Rahh! MAGA!" And everybody's like, "Yeah." So this is-

Bridget Phetasy 40:11 "Joe Rogan's MAGA!"

Joe Rogan 40:12 This is the world we live in.

Bridget Phetasy 40:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:14 We th- we live in this world with no nuance.

Bridget Phetasy 40:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:16 And it's cu- it's very culty. The... But I wonder how many of those Trump supporters that you get on Twitter are bots, 'cause a lot of 'em, a lot of 'em are.

Bridget Phetasy 40:24 No, the devotion is real.

Joe Rogan 40:26 The devotion's real.

Bridget Phetasy 40:26 I mean, I know-

Joe Rogan 40:27 For sure.

Bridget Phetasy 40:27 ... people in real life who are borderline QAnon, and they're, they cried watching, you know, the RNC.

Joe Rogan 40:35 For sure.

Bridget Phetasy 40:36 They, their, the devotion... And I understand... Look, I get it too, because he, he rose out of the domination of the mainstream media, the culture, the domination of academia, Hollywood, all o- uh, all of it. And he was like a fuck-you vote-

Joe Rogan 40:54 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 40:54 ... by many people, and they feel like he is defending them. And the thing I hear from them over and over again is, "He will stand up... Uh, he'll stand against this tide of insanity coming from the left. He'll stand up for us." And-

Joe Rogan 41:06 That's why smart people are voting for him.

Bridget Phetasy 41:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:08 And that's a silent vote right now.

Bridget Phetasy 41:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:10 That's a si- that's gonna be just-

Bridget Phetasy 41:12 This-

Joe Rogan 41:12 ... like 2016.

Bridget Phetasy 41:13 This is propaganda, Joe.

Joe Rogan 41:14 They're gonna go, "What? Huh? What?"

Bridget Phetasy 41:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:16 "I thought everybody felt the way I feel."

Bridget Phetasy 41:18 How... This is another thing I keep hearing, which is hilarious. People who told me that he could never win in 2016 and that it was impossible are telling me again, "It's impossible, he can't win." I'm like, "You're telling me the thing that already happened that you thought was impossible, isn't possible." What kind of logic is this?

Joe Rogan 41:38 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 41:38 It doesn't even b-... They, they're so crazy.

Joe Rogan 41:40 It doesn't make any sense. And when, you know, the, the thing about Russian meddling-

Bridget Phetasy 41:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:44 ... when people talk about Russian meddling-

Bridget Phetasy 41:45 I love this show. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:46 But here's the real thing about Russian meddling.

Bridget Phetasy 41:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:48 The real thing is these trolls, like, they do affect people.

Bridget Phetasy 41:52 Yeah, they do.

Joe Rogan 41:53 The- they... It really does work. Like, if you get enough of these troll accounts that they literally hire to post pro-Trump-

Bridget Phetasy 42:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:01 ... things, and anti-Biden things, and memes and all these things, th- like, I... It catches people up in the wave-

Bridget Phetasy 42:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:06 ... and they wanna be a part of that group of people that's piling on against Biden-

Bridget Phetasy 42:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:11 ... and piling on for Trump. And a lot of it, like, there was one, um, o- well, there was a protest... It was, I think... Was it in Austin? I forget where it was, but it was a protest against white rage. This was a protest. And this dude traced the IP address back to Russia. He's like-

Bridget Phetasy 42:31 I'm not surprised.

Joe Rogan 42:31 ... "This is cra-" But they're organizing-

Bridget Phetasy 42:32 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:33 ... protests.

Bridget Phetasy 42:34 I know. (laughs) I know.

Joe Rogan 42:35 Like, R- Renee DiResta, she did this whole, uh, study of it, and it was... It's really fascinating.

Bridget Phetasy 42:40 It is.

Joe Rogan 42:40 'Cause she found hundreds of thousands of these posts-

Bridget Phetasy 42:43 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:43 ... that were all from this, uh, internet research agency in Russia, where-

Bridget Phetasy 42:47 I lo-

Joe Rogan 42:47 They're funny, some of them.

Bridget Phetasy 42:48 Yeah, no, I love it when it- something's trending on Twitter and someone will be like, "It's 9:00 AM in Russia." You know, like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:55 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 42:55 The bots have logged... Where it's something random-

Joe Rogan 42:57 Whoo!

Bridget Phetasy 42:57 ... and you're like, "Why is this trending?" And it's-

Joe Rogan 42:58 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 42:59 ... something anti-Biden or sowing-

Joe Rogan 43:00 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 43:00 ... dissent, and it's, like, s- always spelled wrong, and-

Joe Rogan 43:03 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 43:04 ... it's just like, "Oh, Russia's logged in for their work day." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:07 But we, we do it too. This is what's fucked up about it. It's like, we're talking about meddling in our elections, but, like, you know what that's like? That's like someone who's a fucking thief-

Bridget Phetasy 43:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:16 ... saying, "Someone's been stealing from me." Like, what the... Stealing some shit you stole?

Bridget Phetasy 43:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:20 Like, what are you talking about?

Bridget Phetasy 43:21 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:21 We, we do that with other countries.

Bridget Phetasy 43:22 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:23 If we're upset that China is fucking with us... You don't think we fuck with China?

Bridget Phetasy 43:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:27 Come on.

Bridget Phetasy 43:27 I know, it's, it's, it's w- like, the American supremacy-

Joe Rogan 43:32 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 43:32 ... kind of mentality, where it's like, "How dare these countries who we've historically meddled in their elections..."... can't meddle in our elections. (laughs)

Narrator 43:40 Don't you understand?

Bridget Phetasy 43:41 This is outrageous.

Narrator 43:42 We're the police of the world.

Bridget Phetasy 43:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:44 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 43:45 No, it's g- it's been, it's, it's a wild... You know, I, I had a funny experience w- kind of observing how people will engage with these bots. And my nephew, who's probably too young to be on Twitter, h- has kind of recently got on. He's like, they call me Dee, he's like, "Look, Dee, I had a tweet that went pretty big." And it was, like, him making-

Narrator 44:05 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 44:05 ... some comment about, they were coming after Lizzo. And he made this kind of-

Joe Rogan 44:09 They were coming after Lizzo?

Bridget Phetasy 44:10 ... for some reason.

Joe Rogan 44:11 Lizzo got canceled?

Bridget Phetasy 44:11 And he made some comment about it that was smart, but it wasn't necessarily, like, you know, A-to-B logic 'cause he's, like, 12.

Narrator 44:19 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 44:19 And people, adults, were commenting and yelling at him. And I'm like, "Oh, this is why I'm never gonna argue with someone I don't know on Twitter again, because they might be 12." (laughs) "It might be a 12-year-old."

Joe Rogan 44:32 Yup. Very likely. Either 12, or... What is this? "Report: Arizona Teens Paid to File Social Media Posts for Campaigns." Whoa.

Narrator 44:41 Yeah. This is a Washington Post report of t- yesterday?

Joe Rogan 44:45 W-

Narrator 44:45 Um, apparently they're being paid, and then when asked, this is the quote from the g- the CEO of the company.

Joe Rogan 44:52 "Real kids operating their real social media profiles and promoting mainstream American values." Well, Jake Hoffman, president and CEO of Rally Forge, said in an emailed statement Wednesday that the posts were nothing more than, in his quote, "Real kids operating real social media profiles and promoting mainstream American values." He said, "What these young Arizona activists are doing is honest and sincere political activism in the 21st century and in the age of COVID-19," whose firm was linked by the Post to the Turning Point project.

Bridget Phetasy 45:25 Oh, it's Turning Point? Okay.

Joe Rogan 45:26 Yeah. It did not respond to questions.

Bridget Phetasy 45:27 I was wondering.

Joe Rogan 45:28 Uh, "Neither Turning Point Action nor the affiliated Turning Point USA responded for request."

Bridget Phetasy 45:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:33 "Turning Point is a conservative youth outreach organization. Its founder, Charlie Kirk, was a featured speaker at the Republican National Convention." Yeah. Um, so-

Bridget Phetasy 45:42 So it's like a sweat shop of, like-

Joe Rogan 45:43 So they're paying kids?

Bridget Phetasy 45:45 (laughs)

Narrator 45:45 Yeah, I was trying to figure out how much they're paying this, so you're like, "Is this is like a job, or..."

Bridget Phetasy 45:48 Like, it's just these little political activist kids.

Joe Rogan 45:50 Imagine if there was a lot of money in it, 'cause you got, like, real writers.

Bridget Phetasy 45:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:53 Start... Like, people like you start-

Narrator 45:55 That's why I would wonder, like, if it's a good-

Joe Rogan 45:56 (laughs)

Narrator 45:56 ... shoe money to run.

Bridget Phetasy 45:56 Oh, I could start some serious dissent.

Joe Rogan 45:58 That's what I'm saying.

Narrator 45:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:59 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 45:59 Everybody on both sides should be happy I'm not on either one of these fucking sides, and you too.

Narrator 46:05 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 46:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:07 (laughs) For real, right?

Bridget Phetasy 46:07 They should be thanking us-

Joe Rogan 46:09 For real.

Bridget Phetasy 46:09 ... that we're not picking a fucking side.

Joe Rogan 46:10 Oh, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 46:10 'Cause I will bury the other side. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:13 I know, right? I've thought of that before. I've thought of, like, starting an anonymous account-

Bridget Phetasy 46:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:17 ... and just saying all the things I really feel-

Bridget Phetasy 46:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:19 ... and just going to war with people on Twitter.

Bridget Phetasy 46:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:22 I've never done it and I won't do it. I really won't do it because I feel like the problem with that, being deceptive... Like, here's what I'm 100% committed to. If I say something, it's 'cause I mean it.

Bridget Phetasy 46:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:33 I have to do that.

Bridget Phetasy 46:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:35 That's got me here.

Bridget Phetasy 46:36 And we might be wrong a lot of the time.

Joe Rogan 46:38 That's, that's who I am as a... I'm wrong a lot-

Bridget Phetasy 46:39 All, all, all the time.

Joe Rogan 46:40 ... all the time. But I'll tell you I was wrong.

Bridget Phetasy 46:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:42 But you, you can trust that the words that come out of my mouth are what I really think.

Bridget Phetasy 46:46 Well, I think, and I could be wrong, but I think we share a somewhat desire to explore honestl- honesty. You know?

Joe Rogan 46:56 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 46:56 Honestly what I'm feeling.

Joe Rogan 46:58 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 46:58 And sometimes I have to push back against myself. Sometimes I'll say things so that I can get pushback and hear, see the blind spots. I'm not gonna know what my own blind spots are unless I s- put my opinion out there and hear back from people. Not all of it is great. Some of it's really reasonable criticism that I-

Joe Rogan 47:14 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 47:14 ... I can take in from people I respect. You know? And not, not... Even people who maybe I am completely... If, if someone is not even my friend, but they, they critique something in a respectful way, I'll hear that. You know? I, I don't... I feel like it's necessary to just... I try really hard to be honest (laughs) . I, I can't... It's not lucrative for me (laughs) .

Narrator 47:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:39 To be honest?

Bridget Phetasy 47:40 No.

Joe Rogan 47:41 I think it is ultimately-

Bridget Phetasy 47:41 There's no money in nuance, kids.

Joe Rogan 47:43 I don't think that's true.

Bridget Phetasy 47:44 (laughs) No, I, I mean-

Joe Rogan 47:44 I think it is ultimately, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 47:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:47 I think ultimately there is th- th- there's, there's a future in that, ultimately. But we're... This is one of the reasons why I'm so steadfast today, is 'cause we're in the most polarized, the most ideologically based time ever, in terms of, like, you have a side, you stick with it, you battle against the other side. And I see this from smart people, and it drives me crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 48:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:10 It drives me crazy because I'm like, "I know you're smart 'cause I know you're educated and I know you know a lot of facts, but you are so fucking stupid about human nature-"

Bridget Phetasy 48:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:19 "... to behave like this because you're denying the very thing that literally has made us racist, the very thing that's made us go to war, tribalism."

Bridget Phetasy 48:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:28 "This is what it is."

Bridget Phetasy 48:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:29 "All of it stems from people who look like me, or people who think like me, or people from the patch of dirt that I'm from. Those are on my team."

Bridget Phetasy 48:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:37 "And d- we gotta stick together and we gotta all agree."

Bridget Phetasy 48:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:40 But that, that's nonsense. That's nons- And we know it's nonsense. We know that in 2020 that we don't have to think like that.

Bridget Phetasy 48:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:48 It's not smart.

Bridget Phetasy 48:50 Yeah. It, uh, uh, I mean, I think that our founders really understood human nature. And they had this insight, which I still don't know how they managed to have it.

Joe Rogan 49:00 Amazing.

Bridget Phetasy 49:00 It's a miracle.

Joe Rogan 49:01 Amazing.

Bridget Phetasy 49:01 I mean, Jonah Goldberg wrote this amazing book, Suicide of the West, and he talks about all of this, essentially how the enlightenment... And we just stumbled on this miracle. And in the end, he has the appendix. I'm like, "If anyone in America should read anything, it should just be the appendix of his book, which is all the stats of how much humanity has been lifted out of the dirt." You know? And we've lifted up, even in developing world. Like, everybody's doing... Yeah, there's problems, obviously, but everybody overall. It's never been more convenient and easier for humans to just exist. And I sometimes feel like, is this just humans because they're not fighting and trying to, like-... survive their self-destructing and having to create that reality for themself? Is l- is life just too easy?

Joe Rogan 49:51 There's a lot of that. There's a lot of the existential risk, the, the real risk of, of humanity up until now has been war, murder-

Bridget Phetasy 50:00 Death.

Joe Rogan 50:01 ... death.

Bridget Phetasy 50:02 Conc- it was so-

Joe Rogan 50:02 Famine.

Bridget Phetasy 50:02 ... hard to live!

Joe Rogan 50:03 So hard. And that was the, what people concentrated on. But now because of, I mean, w- who, who was dis- discussing this with me the other day? Was it Douglas Murray? Maybe? Or was it ... I, I forgot who it was.

Bridget Phetasy 50:19 So many guests.

Joe Rogan 50:20 Anyway, so many guests.

Bridget Phetasy 50:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:21 But this is, this is part of the problem with social media is, like, the problems that you have today are big to you because you do not have big problems.

Bridget Phetasy 50:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:29 And when you have big problems, like, if you have someone in your family that you love-

Bridget Phetasy 50:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:32 ... that's, that, that's dying or sick, someone calling you a fuckhead on Twitter-

Bridget Phetasy 50:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:36 ... doesn't mean anything to you.

Bridget Phetasy 50:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:38 But when you don't have that, and then you're like, "Hey, fuck you," you know, like, then you, the, the, that Twitter comment is the thing that gets you.

Bridget Phetasy 50:45 Yeah, it's-

Joe Rogan 50:45 And that gets you out of bed, and you check the comments and see, "What else did they say? Oh, and I said this, let's see, I got them now."

Bridget Phetasy 50:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:52 You know, and that's, this is your conflict. This is you with a catapult with a flaming rock.

Bridget Phetasy 50:55 It's shadow boxing though. It's crazy because it's like, I know women on the East Side in New York who are online all day battling, and they're like, "I'm so tired. This is so exhausting. I am in so much distress." I mean-

Joe Rogan 51:08 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 51:08 ... it's mental illness. It's, and they, and I'm like, "You're doing this to yourself!"

Joe Rogan 51:13 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 51:14 You are all doing this to yourself. It's not... A lot of the conflict, and I was saying this on Twitter the other day, I'm like, "I'll be worried about America when no one can tweet."

Joe Rogan 51:22 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 51:22 Like, you're all tweeting, and you're online bitching about something or other. When you have, like you said, when you have somebody, uh, f- for instance, a cancer diagnosis. Someone in my life recently w- thought they were diagnosed with cancer, but they weren't. For that 24 hours, you realize that is your life now.

Joe Rogan 51:38 Well, that's how I felt at the beginning of COVID. At the beginning of the lockdown, I really thought it was gonna be like September 11. Like, when September 11 came around, everybody joined up. We all got together because we all realized, like, "Hey, all this petty bullshit-"

Bridget Phetasy 51:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:51 "... is not important. What's really important is we gotta fucking band together-"

Bridget Phetasy 51:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:54 "... because we're gonna run out of toilet paper and food 'cause there's a disease coming that's gonna kill everybody." And then when that didn't happen-

Bridget Phetasy 52:01 It's just-

Joe Rogan 52:01 ... it's like it ramped up the other way.

Bridget Phetasy 52:02 It's-

Joe Rogan 52:02 Everybody just got crazier.

Bridget Phetasy 52:04 (laughs) A, it just goes to show you how hilarious it is that people were stocking up on toilet paper. You're like, "Hmm, maybe this-"

Joe Rogan 52:10 Tom Green had a great point though. Tom Green's point was when you go to the supermarket, toilet paper is a light item, but it takes up a lot of space.

Bridget Phetasy 52:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:18 And you only have so much shelf space. And he goes-

Bridget Phetasy 52:21 It was just people seeing other people stockpiling.

Joe Rogan 52:23 Yeah, when they take it-

Bridget Phetasy 52:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:23 ... and then it's missing. Dude, I, I don't have one now-

Bridget Phetasy 52:26 But it's kind of funny. Like, that's not the first thing I would think of that I, I've, I've also worked in farms and, like, shit in the woods (laughs) so-

Joe Rogan 52:33 Oh, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 52:34 So, you, you can, you know... I, that's not my first thought in the apocalypse-

Joe Rogan 52:38 No.

Bridget Phetasy 52:38 ... like, that's what I need to, to stockpile.

Joe Rogan 52:41 Which shows you how-

Bridget Phetasy 52:41 I'm like water. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:42 Yeah, exactly. It shows you how disconnected we are with real threat.

Bridget Phetasy 52:45 We're like, "Oh, what am I gonna do? I'm not gonna be able to wipe my ass from all this food that I'm binge eating-"

Joe Rogan 52:50 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 52:50 "... while I'm locked down and Netflixing." Like, that's not a real crisis guys.

Joe Rogan 52:55 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 52:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:55 And drinking constantly. Everybody's drinking went up, like, some insane-

Bridget Phetasy 52:58 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:58 ... it was, like, 20% more al-

Bridget Phetasy 53:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:00 While the bars were closed, alcohol consumption rose like 20%.

Bridget Phetasy 53:04 I am on a, I had to, it was hard for me 'cause I'm sober, and I'm on threads with my very Irish Catholic family. And for the first couple weeks, there was just pictures of their, their booze stockpiles-

Joe Rogan 53:15 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 53:15 ... which I 100% would have done if I was... Back in my drinking days before even water, it would have been, it would have been booze.

Joe Rogan 53:22 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 53:23 I mean, my family, I, I always tell this joke, or, like, it, it's something that's just funny in our family. It was, like, police, v- it was, uh, police, Vickers Liquors, and then fire (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 53:36 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 53:36 ... on the emergency contacts. That's real. My grandmother had that in our, growing up. And we're like, "Let's be real. Fires don't really start until after we drink." Like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:45 Oh my God, it's so funny.

Bridget Phetasy 53:46 Yeah. It was, it was, I think it, it's just interesting to see when... I remember when it first started. I was, uh, it was kind of eerie. Like, no one was out in LA. That was, and it was rainy, and those first days, I went down to the beach, there was no one on the beach. There was no one even driving. And I walked by this guy, he was kicked back in his sofa. He had his television on, he had a beer, he was on his phone, just with a nice little throw. And I was like, "This is apocalypse lite," you know?

Joe Rogan 54:16 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 54:16 (laughs) It's, it's not really...

Joe Rogan 54:18 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 54:19 Like, I've never seen a more perfect picture of what the modern apocalypse looks like.

Joe Rogan 54:25 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 54:25 It's not fighting for... I just remember, remember Katrina when it got really bad down there and people-

Joe Rogan 54:30 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 54:30 ... were fighting for food, and it got, it got savage really, really quickly in those, um, in the, I think it was in, like, the Superdome?

Joe Rogan 54:38 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 54:40 Have you ever read the book Blindness?

Joe Rogan 54:41 No.

Bridget Phetasy 54:42 (sighs) I couldn't read fiction (laughs) for two years after I read that book. And it's all about a pandemic of blindness hits people, and they all get put in quarantine. They get quarantined together, the people who are getting this blindness. And then the wife of the guy who gets s- he is, like, stricken with blindness, she fakes it so she can be with her husband, and she's witness to all the shit that goes down once all these people are out of society and in this quarantine. And it's, like, rapes and murders and steal- and just how quickly it kind of, the veneer of society deteriorates.

Joe Rogan 55:18 Who wrote it?

Bridget Phetasy 55:20 Um, oh, God, he won a Pulitzer for it. I'm gonna blank on it. Uh, um...

Narrator 55:25 José Saramago.

Bridget Phetasy 55:27 Thank you. He's a great writer. It's amazing.

Joe Rogan 55:29 Oof.

Bridget Phetasy 55:30 Yeah. So, I think that we're, you know, it's pretty... Under the circumstances, the other thing that I've been kind of surprised about is, like you were saying, there's gonna be more armed con- conflict. I was like, "I'm pretty amazed at how we're straighting people with bats." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:44 Very amazing.... very amazing.

Bridget Phetasy 55:46 We have like 300 million guns, maybe probably 400 million now in America.

Joe Rogan 55:50 More than people.

Bridget Phetasy 55:51 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:51 More guns than people, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 55:52 And-

Joe Rogan 55:53 Just a few shootings.

Bridget Phetasy 55:54 ... they've been pretty restrained.

Joe Rogan 55:55 Yeah, pretty restrained. Especially-

Bridget Phetasy 55:56 Good job, America.

Joe Rogan 55:58 Especially considering the videos of cops shooting Black people, especially when you think about how crazy it could have gotten. There's been some horrific incidents.

Bridget Phetasy 56:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:07 Like there's a, there's a really bad one. I think it was in Baltimore, this white guy walking down the street and for no reason, this Black kid runs up behind him and hits him in the head with a brick.

Bridget Phetasy 56:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:17 And the guy face plants. And the people that are filming it are in a car and they're laughing-

Bridget Phetasy 56:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:22 ... while the brick hits the guy and the guy face plants on the concrete.

Bridget Phetasy 56:24 So much violence.

Joe Rogan 56:26 But for no reason, right?

Bridget Phetasy 56:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:27 It, it's crazy. But so little of that r- comparatively-

Bridget Phetasy 56:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:33 ... to what it could be.

Bridget Phetasy 56:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:34 I mean, you know, there's a lot of people that thought a real race war was gonna happen in this country. But I think most people, the vast majority of people, are not racist, the vast majority. The vast majority of cops, I think, are not racist. I think the vast majority of people are not violent or evil, the vast majority. That's why you can just go places.

Bridget Phetasy 56:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:56 That's why it's not a, a fucking shooting gallery everywhere you go.

Bridget Phetasy 57:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:00 The vast majority of people are not violent or evil.

Bridget Phetasy 57:03 You know-

Joe Rogan 57:03 It's just we have human beings living together in a very imperfect scenario.

Bridget Phetasy 57:08 Yeah. You don't... We w- uh, we were talking about this the other day. Um, you don't hear about the planes that land. You just, you, there are so many people doing-

Joe Rogan 57:17 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 57:17 ... so many good things all the time.

Joe Rogan 57:19 That's a great point. You don't hear about the planes that land.

Bridget Phetasy 57:20 And so you're only hearing... Even in, in police shootings, it's like we focus, and a lot of this I blame m- on the media, is like, it, it would be like only focusing on planes that crash. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:33 But it's not even the media anymore. A lot of these things are just online videos that go viral.

Bridget Phetasy 57:38 Yeah, yeah. But I think that, um, so much of the, the division and that, like, picking narratives, they're, they're driving narratives. And I th- and people are obviously kind of partaking in this. But I s- I still think that it's w- we... When I first... Like you said about the early days of the pandemic, I thought the same thing, because you would go out and there was... You'd have this kind of like... You'd look, you'd have your mask on or whatever, you walk and people were out walking 'cause they couldn't go to the gym or anything. And there would be that, you would kind of look at each other with that solidarity.

Joe Rogan 58:14 Yeah, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 58:14 There was that feeling of like, "Yeah. We're in this."

Joe Rogan 58:16 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 58:17 And it was only two weeks later before people are crossing the street angrily. I got mask shamed by a guy. We were walking and I had my bandana just around my neck and he was very far away and he was like, "No mask! No mask!" Screaming at us. And I'm a bright red.

Joe Rogan 58:35 Like, like, "You're a bad person. You don't have a mask on."

Bridget Phetasy 58:37 But he's... I'm like, "Dude, you're gonna have a heart attack before COVID ever kills you just yelling at people who ha- who don't have masks." And, and he's not gon... I'm m- I would have to spit in his mouth for him to get COVID from me.

Joe Rogan 58:47 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 58:47 He's not gonna get it from me from a block and a half away just yelling. And this is where I think people are driving themselves insane.

Joe Rogan 58:55 Well, the unhinged have never had a better time.

Bridget Phetasy 58:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:58 This is, uh, this is their time 'cause they, they have so much company.

Bridget Phetasy 59:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:01 You know, if you're an unhinged person, like, you're on team unhinged. You're like, you're like, "Oh, look at all the people on my side."

Bridget Phetasy 59:06 Weren't you the one who had that tweet that was like, "We have a mental health problem that's a, a... We have a gun pro-" Something about guns and mental health?

Joe Rogan 59:13 Yeah. Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 59:13 I feel like-

Joe Rogan 59:13 We have a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem.

Bridget Phetasy 59:18 Yeah, that's a great tweet. I think about that all the time because, man, is that played out.

Joe Rogan 59:23 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 59:23 Because now we're just seeing the mental health and the tyranny. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:26 Yeah. Well, we legitimately have a gigantic mental health problem in this country. Look, I am a person who, uh, I've, I've done a lot of things. I've, I have a family. I'm happy. I have good friends. I'm successful. And I have mental health problems.

Bridget Phetasy 59:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:42 We all have mental health problems.

Bridget Phetasy 59:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:43 And my mental health problems are very minor.

Bridget Phetasy 59:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:46 I just wanna be real clear. They're very minor. But I get weirded out sometimes. We all do. We all, we all get in funks sometimes. We all have issues. We all have issues.

Bridget Phetasy 59:55 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:55 But when something challenges us and we don't have character and we don't have a history of overcoming issues and we don't have tools in terms of like whether it's exercise or meditation or yoga or whatever you do to alleviate tension, and then you have the fucking gasoline which is social media-

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 ... and you're throwing gasoline on your fire instead of figuring out a way to put out the coals, you're just gonna have madness. And there's so many people that are unhinged-

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:22 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 ... right now. Unhinged.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:24 And it's... And they've been alone and isolated, and it, it just shows how much you need that social interaction-

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:30 ... because people, I feel like, are losing their manners, you know? I've heard from many people... And it... My, my sister texted me. She said, "I just saw a real-life Facebook fight at dinner." And it was like... And someone else texted me and he said, "I just saw a real-life Twitter interaction in the grocery store." So this behavior that generally is relegated to the way we are when we're anonymous or not anonymous online with each other that you would never necessarily be if you were face to face, because everybody's been online, it's like they're starting to behave that way in real life.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:03 That's not good.

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 Well, that's what everybody's afraid of, was afraid of when it comes to, like, video games.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 People are afraid that, like, violent video games were forcing people or were going to cause people to be violent in real life. I don't think that's real 'cause, uh-

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:16 Mm, I think they've done studies that that's not real.

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 As a matter of fact, I think-

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:18 They've, they've never proven that t-... I think there's-

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 I think it's the opposite.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:20 ... actually violence has gone down.

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 I think it's the opposite. Um, uh, but I think that there's something about the way human beings are just interacting with other human beings. Those video games, you're not shooting a real person. You're shooting a v- a v- an a- avatar, you know?

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 You're shooting a thing and it's fun. The, the thing about interaction with people is you're really hurting someone's feelings.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 And then you get used to doing that. And then you don't... You're not around people a lot.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 Most of your interactions are just this way. And then when you are around people, you behave in the same way that you would if people weren't in front of you.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:51 Yeah. I mean, I think about how much...... um, like how many mental health tools I need. I don't, I'm n- I, I'm like you, I have mental health problems. I've had anxiety in my past. I had debilitating hypochondria that I overcame.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 How'd you overcome it?

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:07 Man, I, I should really write a book about it. I should write, Kill Your Hypochondria B- Before It Kills You, because it was debilitating. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 It's a good title. Solid title.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:17 It was debilitating. And it was, I-

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 Most people don't get past that.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:20 Oh, m- my therapist was like, "You... H- how did you do this?" But it was basically, I took... Um, okay, so, it was kind of a, a three-prong attack, because I'm like, "I can't live like this." Because hypochondria truly makes you feel insane, and you know, you can objectively know, "I'm crazy," but your mind gets stuck, it's like OCD, and so it's p- it's kind of based in OCD, because you get stuck in a loop. Like, I would just get stuck in a loop, for instance, like, "There's something wrong with my lip. There's something wrong with my lip. There's something wrong with my lip."

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 Your lips, like it's broken?

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:55 "There's something wrong..." I don't know. I would just get stuck in that loop. Or, "I have throat cancer. I have throat cancer." I've... You know, I would just be, like, stuck in this crazy loop. It's ins- it's insane.

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 Did it come slowly or did it-

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:05 It got worse. (sighs) You know-

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 Did you always have it?

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:08 No. Um, I think I come from, like, a long line of hypochondriacs though now... Because my mom used to have... You know those... Do you remember those books before the internet where it was like, "If you have this..." It was like a choose your own adventure, but it was like, "If you have this symptom..." Before the internet, there were these books where it could be like, "If you have these sym- this symptom, go to page 233. And if you have this..." And I remember my mom would use those quite a lot. So I think she has some of it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:34 Um, my dad is just a big worrywart. So, um, I have that kind of neurotic energy, I believe. But, I think too, I was smoking (laughs) a lot of weed, and I mostly got it when I was hungover. Like, that's when it would be the worst is I would be hungover. So, anyway, I had to-

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 Probably 'cause you were realizing what you did to your body.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:54 I think I just had... I had to attack it from, from three different places. So, the first is the actual, um... I was like, "All right, I'm gonna rewire my fucking brain." (laughs) And, and I set myself out to do this. And I put a rubber band on, and I did that stupid thing, but it totally worked, where if I was like, "There's something wrong with my lip," and I'd snap my rubber, rubber band, and I'd be like, "I'm healthy. I am hea..." I would just replace it with, "I am healthy." And if I-

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 How'd you come up with that idea?

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:22 I read somewhere that it's a good way to help with, like, repetitive thoughts, or to just help yourself. It, I mean, it... I was training my dog at the same time too, and I was like, "Uh."

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:32 "This is kind of like dog training. I just have to interrupt that," you know? Like-

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 (laughs) That's hilarious.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:38 ... that, that firing. And there's that whole idea of what fires together, wire... It's not even an idea. It's like, what fires together, wires together. So every time... The other thing I had to do was be-

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 Wait, explain that?

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:48 What fires together, wires together. So, it's this concept of w- whatever you're kind of thinking and acting on, it, it just creates, like, a pathway, a neural pathway in your brain that gets stronger and stronger if there... Um, if, if it's like the... Like, for instance, if I... So this is why part two was replacing the thought, but I also couldn't act on it. So I couldn't go look in the mirror, I couldn't go Google anything if I thought I had cancer. I had to cut myself off from acting on... Because a lot of people who have hypochondria, they'll, they'll obsessively Google. They'll go get tested for everything. They'll spend thousands of dollars getting tests. Luckily, I was not on, I didn't have insurance. I was too poor to really, like, lean fully into my hypochondria that way. Um, and I just had to stop myself from the action, because that... You know, anytime you have a thought, and you act on it, it reinforces that connection-

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:44 ... that, like, mind/body connection, and it would reinforce that pattern of worrying. And then, I had to start observing. I kept... This is very... I guess too, it's very, like, um, CBT, so cognitive behavioral therapy. I didn't know this is kind of what I was doing. But, I would keep... Now they have very... It's like you keep a record, a thought, what they call a thought log. And I would just document when I had the thought, what brought it up, like what triggered that thought, 'cause there's always kind of a trigger, and then what action I took, and what action I could take to replace it. And so, I... Sometimes it's just not acting on it at all. And then I started working with therapists on all the things that were underpinning those, um, the, the triggering thoughts. So one was like, I couldn't hold joy. I just... Anytime I felt like I was excited about doing anything, I was going to Hawaii, that was when I was like perseverating on my lips. And I couldn't... It was like I could not enjoy anything without my brain telling me that everything was going to shit and I was gonna die. So, I had to look at that. "Where does that come from?" Feelings of worthlessness, upbringing, whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:53 Then, the other one was shame around sexuality. Like, there was just some, a lot of shame around, um... Like I was pretty promiscuous when I was drinking a lot, and I didn't, I wasn't always proud of the men I woke up with. And it happens to the party girls, and-

Joe Rogan 1:07:10 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:10 (laughs) You know, I was an inter-

Joe Rogan 1:07:13 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:13 I was an international slut. And, um, there was some, there was some, like, guilt. I'm Catholic too, raised Catholic, so that shit got squirted in before I had a, a chance in hell. And so, there was lots of shame around that that I had to really look at and deal with. And, um, and yeah, so I just started looking at all this stuff, and I, like... It took me... It was work. It was fricking work. And now I'm, like, completely free of it. I don't-

Joe Rogan 1:07:38 That's amazing.

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:39 Yeah. It was-

Joe Rogan 1:07:39 That's amazing you did that. Congratulations.

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:41 I mean, I, (sighs) I definitely... I feel like I can live and breathe and I can just be present. Meditation was big. And then-I think a lot of people forget that, you know, drinking and substances are not a coping mechanism. (laughs) They can be, if you, if you are not using them addictively. But for many people, like, drinking is, they'll be like, "I have a coping tool, it's drinking." I'm like, "That's not a coping tool." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:04 It exacerbates it-

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:05 It does.

Joe Rogan 1:08:05 ... whether you like it or not.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:07 So I had to quit that. And I was joking, just like, how many fucking things I need to do to start my day. I'm like, I wake up, I meditate, I have to like, you know, I have to work out or I'm a crazy person. I've gotta sweat. There j- I just know what I have to do.

Joe Rogan 1:08:21 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:22 And people, it's important, I think, instead of ... And people ask me all the time how I deal with the online hate and all that. I'm like, "I, just go work out."

Joe Rogan 1:08:31 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:31 That's my answer to everything. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:33 Yeah, that's an answer people don't wanna hear though-

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:34 Go work out.

Joe Rogan 1:08:34 ... because it requires effort and it requires ... Like, as much as it's difficult when you're sitting down in front of a computer to overcome procrastination, right? Multiply that times 10 and it's g- getting to the gym.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:47 Because the physical discomfort of tr- You're like, "Oh." You're like, your mind will, your brain will mind fuck you.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:53 That's why I have these, th- this, I have, like, mugs and T-shirts that say, "Conquer your inner bitch."

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:00 I love that.

Joe Rogan 1:09:01 That's what it is. There's-

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:02 I- It is.

Joe Rogan 1:09:02 There's a thing, I, it's- it's in me. I was talking to-

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:05 It's in me.

Joe Rogan 1:09:05 ... David Goggins, who's one of the most savage people that's on the planet today.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:09 And he and I had a long, hilarious conversation on the phone yesterday about it. And I said, "One of the things that I really appreciate about you is you talk about your struggles." Like, there's a video that I put up on my Instagram the other day. I just wrote, "Stay hard," and it's his video, and it's him talking about this struggle that he has, David Goggins, one of the hardest men alive. He has this struggle sometimes when he gets up, he just starts feeling sorry for himself.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:31 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:31 He starts feeling like, it just like, "Fuck, I'm tired, I don't wanna do this."

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:35 And then he, he actually says, he said those thoughts into a tape recorder or-

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:39 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:40 ... you know, a phone or whatever the fuck it is, and, and then listened to it playback. And he's like, "I sounded like a straight bitch." (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:46 Yeah. (laughs) That's hilarious. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:48 But he realized it-

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:49 ... and then he, he got fired up and, and went out and did it. But what I said to him is, what's so important about him and wh- wh- why he's so important to people is because he shows you the weakness.

Bridget Phetasy 1:10:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:01 He shows you that he has these thoughts himself, but he just always wins.

Bridget Phetasy 1:10:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:05 He overcomes those, but he knows that- that those demons are there. They're there for everybody, but he's just got a long history of overcoming