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Touring during COVID: packed clubs, personal risk, and vitamin routines
- JRJoe Rogan
(drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- TDTim Dillon
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music) I'm here with the COVID kid. COVID kid, baby.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, you're free. You're free.
- TDTim Dillon
I'm free.
- JRJoe Rogan
You're COVID free.
- TDTim Dillon
Antibodies are negative.
- JRJoe Rogan
Are you worried? You're traveling-
- TDTim Dillon
Um.
- JRJoe Rogan
... in some r- r- risky circumstances.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah. Well, a lot of these clubs that you work are ... They're pretty full. They're-
- JRJoe Rogan
I- I-
- TDTim Dillon
... pretty full.
- JRJoe Rogan
I've been looking at those lines outside your club. I'm like-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... how big is this place? Where are you gonna socially distance all these people?
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
It doesn't seem, it doesn't seem that socially distanced, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
At all.
- TDTim Dillon
I don't know, but we also don't know. Nobody, you know ... I ... Is it airborne? Can you get it?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TDTim Dillon
It's ... It is airborne?
- JRJoe Rogan
100%
- TDTim Dillon
Well, that's not correct.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, you definitely can get it from the air.
- TDTim Dillon
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
But here's the thing, man. It's ... This is so politicized. It's been so politicized. If you look at the numbers of deaths, the numbers of deaths are way down. They talk about the numbers of, like, cases are up.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
But the deaths are way down.
- 2:49 – 5:41
Lockdowns vs. livelihoods: freedom, trade-offs, and social harm
- JRJoe Rogan
Listen, you gotta give people freedom.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
This ... The government was never supposed to have the ability to tell you what you can and can't do-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... in terms of, like, what's risky. The argument against that is that you're putting other people in danger.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
At this point in time, we're six months into this fucking thing.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You, you gotta pe- peel the Band-Aid off. You gotta do something.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You can't, you can't just allow people to go bankrupt-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and never, never be able to work.
- TDTim Dillon
Well, it's also like Thomas Sowell, the, the economist said. He's like, "There are no s-" One of my favorite quotes. He goes, "There's no solutions. There's only trade-offs."
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TDTim Dillon
So, you're, you're ... It's a trade-off, right? So if you tell everyone, "Yes, you might keep some people healthy," but at, at what level of damage to the economy, to people's livelihoods? Suicide is up. Child abuse is up. Uh, there's all kinds-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
... of problems that come from a lockdown.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it's way up. Suicide's way up.
- TDTim Dillon
That's crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Suicide, child abuse, and-
- TDTim Dillon
And that shocked me that child abuse-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
... was up because I was like, "Who ... " I thought child abuse was, like, a fixed thing, meaning if you hit your kids, you just hit your kids.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, I think people-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... react to, like, heavy stress too.
- TDTim Dillon
Right. Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, how many people are just broke and don't know what to do and their kids won't shut the fuck up?
- TDTim Dillon
And they just got a smack-up. Yeah.
- 5:41 – 7:59
Emergency powers and surveillance creep: 9/11 parallels and contact tracing fears
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, the government's not supposed to be able to have that kind of power over you.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And once they have it, it's very difficult for them to let it go.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah. Well, we saw it after 9/11, right? After 9/11, the government took a lot of powers supposedly for very good, virtuous reasons of keeping America safe or protecting everybody. And they ... A lot of those powers, they never let 'em go.
- JRJoe Rogan
Are we gonna go right into conspiracies?
- TDTim Dillon
They never gave them back. No, I just-
- JRJoe Rogan
Are we diving right in?
- TDTim Dillon
I just thought it was a nice segue.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you have your Q T-shirt on?
- TDTim Dillon
I just thought it was a nice segue. That's all.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
I just thought we could bring up 9/11 really quick.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
Just, we could go... It's just a nice route to k- you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's true. It's true. (laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
... the underground military bases. But I mean, it's true they, they have a lot of power-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, it's true. Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
... and they don't give it back. And none of the powers they get, they don't give them back. They don't go, "Oh, the disease is over. Now, we're gonna s-" You know, contact tracing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
It sounds great, right? You, somebody... Oh, it doesn't even sound great. But the idea of it is like, if you were in contact with people, they trace who you were in contact with because of COVID.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
They're gonna do that for other reasons and you're not gonna like it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, exactly.
- TDTim Dillon
They're gonna use that technology to trace people-
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly.
- TDTim Dillon
... that are considered antisocial personality disorder or whatever it is. They don't like what you posted on Facebook, they don't like... I mean, that's coming.
- JRJoe Rogan
Or how about... What if you get injured? What if you hurt your back and they know that they put you on pills?
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then they say, "Hey-"
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- 7:59 – 10:38
Social media as a conflict machine: The Social Dilemma, dopamine loops, and logging off
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you watched The Social Dilemma?
- TDTim Dillon
I did.
- JRJoe Rogan
Holy fuck.
- TDTim Dillon
I did. Yeah. I, I mean, I thought a lot of that was pretty n- well-known before it though, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
It's well-known to you.
- TDTim Dillon
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
But I think for people who don't, like, really-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... pay attention to it... See, here's the difference between you and I and the regular folks.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Peo- people have a real job. Say if you work for-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... Microsoft-
- TDTim Dillon
It's true. Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... your fucking job all day is thinking about Microsoft.
- TDTim Dillon
Right, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, you have real important shit, you have bottom lines, you have to bump up, you have-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you have goals to meet, you have-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... meetings you have to get together.
- TDTim Dillon
Right, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
They have things to think of. They-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... they can't... We're just fucking off all day.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, that is a good point. We don't, we don't... Well, and part of our job is to kind of fuck off.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TDTim Dillon
Right? Part of our job is to figure out what's funny out there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TDTim Dillon
And you can't do that by really focusing on one thing. You have to just go all over the place.
- 10:38 – 13:07
Comment sections, CIA-handler jokes, and propaganda through Hollywood
- TDTim Dillon
I, yeah... Well, I stopped the comments when one of them was... said that, uh, "We think Whitney Cummings is Tim Dillon's CIA handler." I said, "I'm gonna check out now." Like, this is...
- JRJoe Rogan
Jesus.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah. They were like, "He's not-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Imagine.
- TDTim Dillon
"... talking about Obamagate on his show. It's because Whitney Cummings is telling him not to." I'm like, "Whitney Cummings, I love her to death. I don't think she knows what Obamagate is." And I have mentioned it a few times. It was like... But, uh, it was just so funny, I started laughing. But I'm like, I... 'Cause it's people's mental illness. Like, you're just-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
... living in people's very dysfunctional minds in the comments.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, uh, there's people I know, that I know, not good friends-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... but I know pretty casually-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that will tell me-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that they think the CIA talks to me about who I can have on the show.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, because I've had Mike Baker on-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... who used to-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... be in the CIA.
- TDTim Dillon
He's still in, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Most likely.
- TDTim Dillon
He's still in.
- JRJoe Rogan
I even joked with him about it.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah. Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
But my interaction with him is about what we talk about on the podcast-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and then afterwards, we talk about, like, fishing and his kids.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah. Right, right. He doesn't, he doesn't-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, that's our conversation.
- 13:07 – 18:15
Gotcha culture and comedy out of context: why people can’t tolerate nuance
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Then people need to realize that. Like, if you take my opinion seriously, like, listen to me, I don't even take my opinion seriously.
- TDTim Dillon
(laughs) Why are you listening to me for? Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Half the time, I'm just thinking out loud.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I d- I have no i- ... Like, literally, maybe 40% of the things that I say on this podcast, I don't know what I'm saying when I'm saying it.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm just t- thinking out loud.
- TDTim Dillon
Right, and that's the whole art form of doing this because you can't-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
You have to explore every possibility.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, and sometimes I have a thought that's very well thought out. Sometimes.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Where it's like, "No, I've thought about this for a while, and this is why I believe this."
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And there's a difference. Like, you'll, you'll hear me-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You'll hear things that I say that are, like, really cle- I, I, like, I know what I'm saying.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I know what I'm talking ... And then you hear, like, rambling nonsense too.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you gotta ... That's just how it goes. If you're gonna think out loud, you're gonna have both of those things.
- TDTim Dillon
Why do you think people get so angry at the idea of that? Like, people get very angry at the idea of, like, being, just being open to the idea of being wrong. Like, people get angry, and they're like, "Every word out of your mouth has to be absolutely the, what you want it to be," and, uh, it's weird to me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because we're in a gotcha sound bite culture.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right? So, one of the ways they'll digest your show or my show is someone will put a clip up, "Look what this piece of shit Tim Dillon said."
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it'll, it'll s- have something that you said completely out of context in a two-and-a-half-hour rant-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... where you're just, like, talking nonsense-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- 18:15 – 29:17
Performative politics online: celebrities, likes, TikTok winners, and the “fight phone”
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah. And my favorite thing is, vote. Tell everyone to vote. That's what everyone does now is tell everyone to vote. I did a whole podcast episode this week, I go, "I'm not telling you to vote. It's not my job." Vote or don't vote. It's like, I don't tell you to eat your vegetables.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TDTim Dillon
I don't tell you to jog.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Right.
- TDTim Dillon
I don't tell you to do anything.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm not telling you you have to meditate.
- TDTim Dillon
Hey, raise your kids. You spend time-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
... with your kids? Are you spending time with your son? He's in college. He d- you and him don't ta- like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
... what in God's name ... Like, you walk into a nightclub to see me, I say, "Ruth Bader Ginsburg's burning in hell." Then I turn around and go, "Everyone make sure to have a voting plan."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, what's happened is-
- TDTim Dillon
It's absurd.
- JRJoe Rogan
... there's a lot of these fucking idiots that aren't getting any attention. And we've found out why they're in show business. They're not just in show business to create. They're not just in show business to, to hone their craft and to be good as an actor or be good as a comic. They want attention.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And when there's no attention to be had on stage, they seek it out on Twitter.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they seek it out by being correct about things.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Some people are using Twitter and they're just hilarious.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're just saying ridiculous shit.
- TDTim Dillon
Very funny.
- JRJoe Rogan
The same thing with Instagram. Like, L- Lil Duval's my favorite.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah, he's great.
- JRJoe Rogan
He just never gets political.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Never gets serious.
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Everything's just having a good time.
- 29:17 – 34:42
QAnon, trafficking realities, and Epstein/blackmail theories
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. There's enough real child trafficking where those people get, like, positive reinforcement of their ideas.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah, of course.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Like, we, we, we were talking about it recently, Jamie, those 35 people that were, uh, saved in, uh, Georgia.
- NANarrator
I heard some, some were also saved in Ohio recently, so.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it's real.
- TDTim Dillon
As wrong as they are, they're also right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
That's the thing about the Q people.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the thing. T-
- TDTim Dillon
As wrong as they are, they're also right in certain instances. There's... Human trafficking is a massive problem.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a real problem.
- TDTim Dillon
And, and there have been massive cover-ups with our government and many other governments.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you know that right now-
- TDTim Dillon
And we're in the midst of one right now.
- JRJoe Rogan
... today, there's more slavery today than when we had slavery in the United States? 25 missing and endangered kids rescued in Ohio over two weeks. US Marshals located dozens of missing children-
- TDTim Dillon
Sad. Fuck.
- JRJoe Rogan
... between the ages of 13 and 18 in a mission called Operation Safety Net. The children found in Cleveland-... East Cleveland, Akron, Mansfield... What is that? Euclid?
- TDTim Dillon
Euclid.
- JRJoe Rogan
Euclid.
- TDTim Dillon
Willoughby.
- JRJoe Rogan
Willoughby. And even Miami, Florida. Wow.
- TDTim Dillon
So right there, it's an operation. That's a trafficking operation.
- JRJoe Rogan
It, it's real.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah. It's absolutely real.
- JRJoe Rogan
That is, that is real. And it's particularly real when, you know, you can get kids that are, uh, orphans and-
- TDTim Dillon
Fall through the cracks.
- JRJoe Rogan
... foster kids. Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah. And the government... I mean, this is what nobody really wants to admit. That, that the United States government, um, at, at, at pr- at all levels has, in many ways, like, been either a, a kind of... I won't, I won't say a sponsor of this, on the whole, but there's elements of the CIA that have allowed things like this to happen in order to get information on people. This is s- this is one of the-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, that was the idea about the Epstein thing.
- TDTim Dillon
Absolutely, it was.
- 34:42 – 43:55
Project Veritas skepticism and election fraud anxiety: ballot harvesting and ‘if true’
- JRJoe Rogan
(clears throat) That, um, the guy, uh, what the fuck is his name? That guy that's always, uh, doing the undercover shit.
- NANarrator
James O'Keefe.
- JRJoe Rogan
James O'Keefe.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah, James O'Keefe. He's got a new one now about Ilhan Omar.
- JRJoe Rogan
The ballots in the car.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah, the ballots in the car. And he's got these guys saying, "Look at all these ballots. Look at all these ballots." But you gotta go with that guy, you gotta go, okay. But didn't he- (laughs) Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Didn't he... There was some shit with Roy Moore where they were trying to-
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... get girls to say that he'd knock, knocked them up. And there was, like, a lot of stinky shit-
- TDTim Dillon
It's anybody. It's like, anybody that, you know he- he's coming to this with an agenda, like a strong agenda.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. But then, he also catches shit that's real.
- TDTim Dillon
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, he caught those people on Twitter-
- TDTim Dillon
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the, the, the Twitter executives talking about how they shadow ban people.
- TDTim Dillon
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Talking about how they ban conservatives or how they block conservatives.
- TDTim Dillon
Yes. Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's all real.
- TDTim Dillon
Right. Absolutely.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's all real.
- TDTim Dillon
Absolutely.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so, it's like, whenever someone can't be straight with you, and they have little tricks and they have stunts-
- TDTim Dillon
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... whenever that- you l- you go-
- TDTim Dillon
I think the argument that those guys make is that to get any attention in the climate that we're in, it's almost impossible to do it with, like, a sober, reasoned, rational approach. You have to... Because it's the circus.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
They're competing with Trump. They're competing with anybody. They're competing for oxygen with some of the most, the, the most entertaining president in history, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
By far.
- TDTim Dillon
By far, right? So, anything you do now has to be on that level of, of, of spectacle to get any type of attention.
- 43:55 – 47:33
No one to root for: Sanders, DNC maneuvering, and the incentives of spectacle politics
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, and I know people that... These people hate Trump so much, it's like, well, then have that be your last act.
- TDTim Dillon
All right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have that be your last earthly act.
- TDTim Dillon
Dude. That's heavy.
- JRJoe Rogan
How, how beautiful would that be?
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah. (coughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause all you've done... Right. (coughs)
- TDTim Dillon
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
There you go. All you've done is say, "This guy's ruining your life every day."
- TDTim Dillon
(sighs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"Go and die, and, and get rid of him." (sighs) I wish there was someone to root for.
- TDTim Dillon
I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know?
- TDTim Dillon
There's no one to root for.
- JRJoe Rogan
I, I wish there was someone who just stood out as being, like, this fucking perfect person that I, I really love.
- TDTim Dillon
No, we don't have any of them.
- JRJoe Rogan
I, I wish it was Tulsi Gabbard.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I wish... I, I'd fucking vote for her naked.
- TDTim Dillon
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'd be out there coughing-
- TDTim Dillon
Well-
- JRJoe Rogan
... my mouth. I'm vote, I'm voting for her.
- TDTim Dillon
Well, there were people that were interesting. Like Sanders was interesting 'cause he wasn't-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TDTim Dillon
He didn't seem like he was in the system like everybody else was.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TDTim Dillon
But it also seemed like maybe a lot of what he wanted to do never would've gotten done, but who knows?
- JRJoe Rogan
I was interested to see if he could pull it off. When he was talk-
- TDTim Dillon
That, yes.
- 47:33 – 1:02:02
Hunter Biden, selective media attention, and cable news as entertainment
- TDTim Dillon
What's crazy is when there's corruption, but they'll ignore it because it'll, it'll interfere with what they want.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TDTim Dillon
Like this Hunter Biden shit.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TDTim Dillon
Bro.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's crazy.
- TDTim Dillon
If this was Donald Trump Jr... And is Hunter the one that passed away or no? Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, he's the one that's still alive. He's the one that took millions of dollars. He's-
- TDTim Dillon
Did he marry the, the wife of the brother?
- JRJoe Rogan
I hope so. I don't know. (laughs)
- TDTim Dillon
Something went, something went wild there, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
What happened? Oh.
- TDTim Dillon
Didn't something go wild, Jamie? Something went weird with the brother that died's wife.
- JRJoe Rogan
(gasps)
- TDTim Dillon
And Hunter... I think.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, I don't know.
- TDTim Dillon
I could be wrong. Don't quote me on this.
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know. But the scandal is that he took a shit ton of money from Russian billionaires, right? Isn't that the scandal? Jamie's d- double Googling right now. Hold. Let's li- let's, let's start with the brother, the wife of the bro- which...
- TDTim Dillon
I could be wrong about this.
- JRJoe Rogan
Here it is. Hunter Biden fathered child with woman...
- TDTim Dillon
While dating brother's widow.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- TDTim Dillon
I mean, this is a wild family.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, hold on. Can I see a picture of this girl?
- TDTim Dillon
Good point. I don't know who is who in the picture.
- JRJoe Rogan
She might've been hot as fuck.
- TDTim Dillon
Well, Joe Biden is the one on the right.
- JRJoe Rogan
O- okay.
- TDTim Dillon
Uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
Hunter and Haley Biden.
- 1:02:02 – 1:10:08
Speech policing, culture wars, and the Spotify ‘censorship’ narrative
- TDTim Dillon
The, um, yeah, I mean, it's crazy. Do you, now everybody's, uh, and this is probably, uh, you know, this is probably overinflated, all that Spotify stuff, is it's just complete fodder?
- JRJoe Rogan
They have literally said nothing to me about it.
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