Joe Rogan Experience #1549 - Tom Papa

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:02

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. TPTom Papa0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Tom Papa, welcome to Real America. I'm glad you've gotten out of your liberal hidey-hole.

   4. TPTom Papa0:19

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      You, you come here where you can eat at a real restaurant.

   6. TPTom Papa0:22

      It feels the same.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      Does it?

   8. TPTom Papa0:24

      It's ... Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      What do you mean it feels the same?

   10. TPTom Papa0:26

       Uh, it feels the same. I went to a restaurant and, uh, uh, you know. Is that what real life is now?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       It feels the same-

   12. TPTom Papa0:33

       Restaurant or not a restaurant?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Feels the same where?

   14. TPTom Papa0:35

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       As in, as it does in LA?

   16. TPTom Papa0:37

       Just walking around.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       LA feels the same as this place?

   18. TPTom Papa0:40

       Uh, kinda.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       That's not what you were just saying before we got on the air? What are you, a fucking propaganda?

   20. TPTom Papa0:45

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       This guy comes here-

   22. TPTom Papa0:47

       No, I'll tell you what the difference is.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       ... he's so different off air.

   24. TPTom Papa0:49

       I'll tell you what the difference is.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       He was saying y'all and all kinds of shit.

   26. TPTom Papa0:54

       (laughs)

   27. NANarrator0:54

       Don't you hide your guns.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       (laughs)

   29. TPTom Papa0:56

       Eh. No, you know what I've found? I c- I'm here to eat with you by way of Denver.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Mm-hmm.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Well, it's insanely contagious.…

   1. TPTom Papa15:00

      over it.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Well, it's insanely contagious. Santino caught it giving a guy a ride home, a g- a 10-minute ride home with the windows open, and he caught it.

   3. TPTom Papa15:07

      No mask.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      No, they weren't wearing masks.

   5. TPTom Papa15:09

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      Yeah, the guy didn't know he had it.

   7. TPTom Papa15:11

      Uh-huh.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      No symptoms, no coughing.

   9. TPTom Papa15:13

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:13

       No nothing.

   11. TPTom Papa15:14

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:14

       Gives him a ride home, 10 minutes.

   13. TPTom Papa15:17

       How did he know that that was the guy he trans-

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:18

       'Cause the guy called him afterwards, a couple days later, and says, "I got it."

   15. TPTom Papa15:22

       Oh.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       And then Santino's like, "Fuck." And then a couple days after that, Santino has it.

   17. TPTom Papa15:27

       I like Fauci. He looks like a little guy from the Bronx, and he's kinda makes me feel comfortable. And he's on the, in the administration, part of the Trump team, and he's saying, "Please, just wear the mask."

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       Yes, but, you know, initially, he didn't say that. And the reason why he didn't say that is 'cause he wanted to make sure there was masks for first responders.

   19. TPTom Papa15:50

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       The problem with that mean, that means he lied. That means he said something that he knew wasn't true.

   21. TPTom Papa15:55

       I'm not perfect. Everybody lies.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       He said something he knew wasn't true-

   23. TPTom Papa15:59

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       ... because he wanted people to react in a certain way, but then they still expect, he still expects them to trust him after that.

   25. TPTom Papa16:06

       Well-

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       I'm not saying you shouldn't trust him.

   27. TPTom Papa16:07

       I hear you.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       I'm not saying it's wise or unwise, but I'm saying, in that circumstance, I wouldn't have recommended he do that.

   29. TPTom Papa16:15

       Of course not.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       I mean, the idea was-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (laughs) Is that a…

   1. TPTom Papa30:00

      you right on the lips. (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      (laughs) Is that a threat? He's threatening me now. Jesus, Jamie.

   3. TPTom Papa30:05

      Really, Joe.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      He's come here.

   5. TPTom Papa30:07

      It really is such a great thing-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      Oh.

   7. TPTom Papa30:08

      Because to have such a historic place that was so bright and great and then really decimated and fell on its ass...... and you're really the force that brought it back to this. Was like, oh, it was, it was just great. It was so great. And watching your story was really, really cool.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:25

      Oh, thanks, man.

   9. TPTom Papa30:26

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       It was, it was heavy. It was weird to make. I cried a bunch of times thinking about Mitzi.

   11. TPTom Papa30:30

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       You know?

   13. TPTom Papa30:31

       Yeah, man.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:32

       Thinking about the old days, about what it was like to come there.

   15. TPTom Papa30:35

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       You know, just to, to be a paid regular there. It's, uh, you know, it's such a polarizing place. So many people have a, a negative impression of it-

   17. TPTom Papa30:43

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       ... because it's such a difficult club and there's so many killers there, and a lot of people just didn't feel like they got the respect that they deserved there. But it, it's, it's not the case. You just, it's, you needed a higher level.

   19. TPTom Papa30:54

       It's hard. It's-

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       You, you, you're going up, you're on a lineup with 15 murderers-

   21. TPTom Papa31:00

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       ... and everyone's killing in front of you.

   23. TPTom Papa31:01

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       And there's a lot of people that would go there and they would have, like, sort of mediocre sets, and they would be upset 'cause they had a career. Like, they'd be on television shows.

   25. TPTom Papa31:10

       Sure.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       They'd be doing things.

   27. TPTom Papa31:11

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       And the Comedy Store would be like, "Oh, you know, we don't have any spots for you," like, what the fuck?

   29. TPTom Papa31:15

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       And they would harbor this terrible resentment.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm. …

   1. TPTom Papa45:00

      not really-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      Mm.

   3. TPTom Papa45:02

      ... gonna help Greg.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Well, people don't know what we're talking about, but we should try to explain that there was a time where you would go to the Montreal Comedy Festival and you'd get a development deal.

   5. TPTom Papa45:11

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:12

      And this is like everybody would cash in.

   7. TPTom Papa45:13

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      You go get a development deal-

   9. TPTom Papa45:15

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:15

       ... and then you, they would try to do a pilot.

   11. TPTom Papa45:17

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:18

       And I knew so many people that lost their fucking minds-

   13. TPTom Papa45:21

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:22

       ... when they got deals to do a pilot. I had a phone call from this guy, and I'm not gonna say his name, but he's, he was a terrible comedian. He calls me up and he says, "Hey, listen, I know you've got a show that you're working on right now, but I'm telling you, my show is gonna go to air and I want you to play my brother."

   15. TPTom Papa45:37

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       I was like, "What?"

   17. TPTom Papa45:38

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:38

       He's like, "I know it's a smaller show, but this show's guaranteed to air." Never aired.

   19. TPTom Papa45:42

       (laughs) Of course not.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       Never aired. And he starts t- telling me all these crazy things, like, the, like there's a guaranteed pick up. And if this doesn't pick up, then-

   21. TPTom Papa45:49

       Uh-huh.

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       ... NBC Universal's got second position and they're gonna pick it up. Like he was drinking the Kool-Aid. It was like the craziest conversation.

   23. TPTom Papa45:57

       It's hard the first time around.

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       Nothing ever happened for him.

   25. TPTom Papa46:00

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       Nothing.

   27. TPTom Papa46:00

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       Nothing ever happened for him. And when I mean nothing-

   29. TPTom Papa46:00

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       ... I mean nothing. I mean, that went away.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:04:55

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      inaccessible right now.

   2. TPTom Papa1:00:01

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      But this Social Dilemma makes me very concerned about the future. Because all of these technologists and all of these people that have invented all this stuff that now are very unhappy-

   4. TPTom Papa1:00:13

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      ... it's really fascinating-

   6. TPTom Papa1:00:15

      And they're not-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

      ... to see them discussing their own creations and then see outsiders who are also technologists who didn't, didn't invent these things, but are seeing the patterns in these things and understand it from, you know, a- a- a really educated perspective. They're- they're saying this could lead to civil war. Like, people are getting more and more divided. And it shows in the film how social media has made people far more polarized, far more divided than ever before. The- the red and the blue and then this and-

   8. TPTom Papa1:00:41

      Sure.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

      ... you know, it's like, it's disturbing. It's-

   10. TPTom Papa1:00:43

       What's the most dangerous part of it and can it be corrected?

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       Well, there's a lot of dangerous parts about it, but the thought bubbles. The- the fact that these people get in these- these bubbles.... of thought-

   12. TPTom Papa1:00:55

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

       ... where everybody around you thinks your way, and everybody who thinks a different way is the enemy.

   14. TPTom Papa1:01:00

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

       This is a, a really dangerous part of the reality that we live in today, because it's not what we anticipated. I thought that the internet and the age of information and all that we're experiencing right now would bring about an understanding and a, a nuanced perspective-

   16. TPTom Papa1:01:17

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:17

       ... in life, in all ways. Like, you'd be able to see things from other people's perspectives more, more easily, because it'd be more readily available and it would be more encouraged for you to seek out all this information. But a bunch of factors that happened at the same time all have sort of made it worse than ever before. And one of them is Trump. Trump being such a polarizing figure-

   18. TPTom Papa1:01:41

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       ... and w- whether or not, you know, how... Whether or not it's justified and how much of it's justified and how much of it is liberal propaganda and how much of it is Republican propaganda, when you look at the way people feel about him and the things they equate with him, like, they equate white supremacy and, you know, and, and anti-immigrant mentality and, you know, xenophobia and all these different things they think. And, and a lack of empathy, and which is probably accurate, right?

   20. TPTom Papa1:02:11

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:11

       If there's anything... If you could say anything about Trump, one of the things you would say that's negative is he seems to not be emp- empathetic. He doesn't seem to care about other people-

   22. TPTom Papa1:02:20

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:20

       ... the way you would want a leader to care about people. Like, you don't-

   24. TPTom Papa1:02:23

       100%.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:23

       You don't buy it.

   26. TPTom Papa1:02:24

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:25

       Even when people die, like when John McCain died, he still never had any empathy for the guy.

   28. TPTom Papa1:02:30

       No.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:31

       And, you know, it's just-

   30. TPTom Papa1:02:32

       Yeah.

Episode duration: 3:00:58