Joe Rogan Experience #1553 - Maynard James Keenan

Maynard James Keenan is a singer, songwriter, producer, winemaker, actor, and martial artist best known as the vocalist for Grammy Award-winning rock band Tool, Puscifer, and A Perfect Circle. Look for "Existential Reckoning", the new album from Puscifer, on October 30.

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(drum music) Joe Rogan podcast,…
1. MKMaynard James Keenan
  (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
2. NANarrator
  The Joe Rogan Experience.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Oh, hello, Maynard.
4. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Hey, bro.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Is this how you're wearing your mask now, on the wrist? That's cool.
6. MKMaynard James Keenan
  I c- I, 'cause I- I just forget to bring it with me, so if I just like hang it on my nose, I just bring it, so...
7. JRJoe Rogan
  This is a new move.
8. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  People will do that now.
10. MKMaynard James Keenan
  L-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  They will see you and they'll say, "One side of the watch, look at the other one."
12. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Look at your miniature schnauzer right here.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Aw. You have a cute little dog, dude.
14. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  That picture of your dog is adorable.
16. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah. She's awesome. She's out t-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  What's her name?
18. MKMaynard James Keenan
  ... taking a walk. Miho.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Miho?
20. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah. She's 15.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  What does Miho stand for?
22. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Uh, beauty, crest of a wave, it's Japanese.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, okay.
24. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Uh, deadly little Miho from, uh, Sin City.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Which one was that?
26. MKMaynard James Keenan
  She had the- the swords and the- and the-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, right.
28. MKMaynard James Keenan
  ... and the one in her own.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  From the movie?
30. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah, Sin City. Yeah.
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But a dude in…
1. JRJoe Rogan
  to, uh, fuck a famous lawyer.
2. MKMaynard James Keenan
  But a dude in his... A dude in his position has to know that that's coming. Like, that, that-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  That a setup is coming?
4. MKMaynard James Keenan
  A setup's coming. Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Maybe not anymore.
6. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah, yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Maybe he forgot.
8. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah, maybe.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, he's old, dude.
10. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  You know?
12. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, you gotta think. Not only that, but he's been under this tremendous stress of being a top lawyer for the, the most fucked up administration in the history of the United States. So it's like the, just the, the legal shit he's been battling back and forth.
14. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah. It's a shit show.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  It's a shit show. His brain's probably hosed. And he's probably in this hotel room going, "Oh."
16. MKMaynard James Keenan
  This is it.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  "The universe is throwing me a bone. Oh, yes."
18. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yes, it is. (laughs)
19. JRJoe Rogan
  "Oh, yes."
20. MKMaynard James Keenan
  A big old bone.
21. NANarrator
  (laughs)
22. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
23. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Just not for you to chew on.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  It's... The hits never stop. It just never stops. There's like... Every time you think, "Well, the world's gonna be normal today. I mean, we've gotten it all out of the way."
25. MKMaynard James Keenan
  No.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Nope.
27. MKMaynard James Keenan
  No.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  No, new thing.
29. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Arizona's now spiking in, in, uh, supposed, uh, cases of COVID.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Are they?
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Now, you've only been…
1. MKMaynard James Keenan
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Now, you've only been doing Muay Thai for how long now?
3. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Not even a year.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  And-
5. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  ... no problems with the hip? 'Cause you've, you had your hip replaced.
7. MKMaynard James Keenan
  No, the, I mean, there's a, there's a weird shift that happens in the hip. I got one of those little, uh, hammer thingies, drrr, you know, the little electric, uh, massager things?
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
9. MKMaynard James Keenan
  So, uh, (laughs) that's weird, right? I don't know.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  No. Those are good. Theraguns.
11. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Uh, yeah, so-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Love those.
13. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah, so what happens is if I go a little too far, what's happening is my, my hip joint kinda just shifts forward a little bit and starts pinching something.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Ooh.
15. MKMaynard James Keenan
  And I'll just stand on my left foot, use that hammer, grrr, (hammering sound) on the hip. Done, we're fine.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  You're a robot.
17. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Then get back to work.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  You're cy- kind of a cyborg now.
19. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Kind of a cyborg, a little bit.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Now, did they give you a full hip replacement or was it just-
21. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Full.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  ... a resurfacing?
23. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Full hip.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
25. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  What is the b- like, John Wayne Parr just got a hip resurfacing and there's videos of him 12 weeks after surgery, kicking the pads.
27. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Now, for-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  It's insane.
29. MKMaynard James Keenan
  They were telling me, like, I th- I can't remember specifically, but I wanna say it was three months before I actually got back on the mats. They were like, "You're not gonna want to do that for six months, but you can probably start getting back and doing some things in three months." And-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  That's 12 weeks.
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Right. …
1. JRJoe Rogan
  to see.
2. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Right.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, if you watch Mike Tyson in his prime, it's pretty obvious what he's doing different.
4. MKMaynard James Keenan
  (laughs)
5. JRJoe Rogan
  You know? You watch Roy Jones Jr in his prime, pretty obvious. Faster than everybody, ridiculous left hook. You were seeing it all. With Georgie, you know, it's like, how is able to do this to these guys?
6. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Right.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, his understanding of, of position, of when to be there and when to not be there, it's just second to none.
8. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Okay. So, and I've ... So, you know, the transition, we were talking ab- you know, that's kind of th- the part that's always elude- even, even with Jiu-Jitsu. Like, those in-betweens-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
10. MKMaynard James Keenan
  ... are when you kind of lose the fight.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
12. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Like, you know, the, the match kind of, uh, loses ... So, you know, we get- we ended up here. So, um, Ortega, this last fight that Ortega did-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
14. MKMaynard James Keenan
  ... I felt like the, the thing that really was, like, s- surprising to me was not necessarily that he's like, "Oh, now you've trained striking and you're doing really well at the striking." It was like those in-between things that he was doing that I was like-
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
16. MKMaynard James Keenan
  "I've never ... I haven't seen that in most UFC fighters." Like, just that in-between thing that he put the glue together to-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  He wasn't leaving any holes.
18. MKMaynard James Keenan
  There was no holes.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, no holes.
20. MKMaynard James Keenan
  There were no holes.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, it was brilliant.
22. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  It was a, a ma- masterful performance.
24. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Because that guy, the Korean Zombie, uh, Chan Sung Jung is very tough.
26. MKMaynard James Keenan
  He's dangerous.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Very dangerous. And Brian neutralized him. He, he neutralized everything. And he looked so smooth and professional.
28. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Right.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, everything he was doing looked so good.
30. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Yeah.
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(laughs) …
1. MKMaynard James Keenan
  just disagree with-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
3. MKMaynard James Keenan
  ... but then I get to choke you.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  But it's just-
5. MKMaynard James Keenan
  (laughs)
6. JRJoe Rogan
  ... it's not as important as the jujitsu, you know?
7. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Right, right.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  It's like somewhere along the line, it became a th- like, you have to be on my side or fuck you. And that, these ideological echo bubbles that people, these chambers that people get into, it's just, it's never before happened where you've had people that can so readily find people that agree with them wholeheartedly and, and have full confirmation bias. Like, only, only people that are on this side and this, that believe these things and this core group, and yet it's real obvious. Like, it's, uh, it's real s- cut and dry what they believe and what they want and what they see-
9. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Hm.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and what they don't. And then it's reinforced by CNN and MSNBC and Fox News and, you know, all these biased news sources that-
11. MKMaynard James Keenan
  I'm kinda, if, if there is a division, I guess, th- that I would make, it would be fundamentalism versus...... fucking chill out-ism. (laughs)
12. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
13. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Just let them know. Uh, it's, 'cause you know, these people are so-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
15. MKMaynard James Keenan
  ... your, your, your far left and your far right are bumping each other's asses on the other side of the circle.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
17. MKMaynard James Keenan
  They're the same... They're, they're, they're all one fucking stroke away from Handmaid's Tale and they are burning books together. (laughs)
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
19. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Uh, telling you what pronouns to use and what religion you're supposed to pick and-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
21. MKMaynard James Keenan
  ... all this stuff. It's, they're the same person, they're the same people, and we're in the middle going, "I, I just want some pasta." (laughs)
22. JRJoe Rogan
  It's super similar, super similar. And it's all coming together with this pandemic.
23. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Mm-hmm.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Because people are being forced to be locked away, you're locking away, you're, you're staying away from people so you have less in- interaction.
25. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Mm-hmm.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Less s- actual real contact with people.
27. MKMaynard James Keenan
  Right.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  More digital contact, more processed, bullshit way of communicating with people. And then there's the fear, and then there's the lack of money because everybody's out of work. And then there's all this panic that comes with that, and this anger and anxiety and existential angst of the disease itself. And the, the combination of all these factors together with a fucking douchebag for a president-
29. MKMaynard James Keenan
  (laughs)
30. JRJoe Rogan
  ... chaos, and no good choices for opponents. You know, everybody's just voting... The people that are... aren't, not voting for Trump, they're just voting for not Trump. They're not voting for Joe Biden. Like, no, no one's super excited about Joe Biden. They're voting for not Trump.

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