Joe Rogan Experience #1567 - Donnell Rawlings & Dave Chappelle

Narrator 0:02 (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Joe Rogan 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Donnell, what's going on, bro?

Donnell Rawlings 0:14 Good to see you, my friend.

Joe Rogan 0:15 << Take me to the river, I wanna go. I'll go. Take me to your river, I wanna go >> I don't even know who sings that.

Donnell Rawlings 0:27 You don't know who sings that song?

Joe Rogan 0:28 No. Uh-

Donnell Rawlings 0:30 Leon Bridges. Leon Bridges? Yeah, he's like a folk country singer, black dude. I think he's, uh, Louisiana's, uh, where he's from. But about five years ago, he had a very popular song that was like a song that really charted well. It was called The River. That was that?

Joe Rogan 0:48 That was that song. And then he-

Donnell Rawlings 0:50 There he is.

Joe Rogan 0:50 And then what he does is he-

Donnell Rawlings 0:51 Are you aware, Jamie? You know that dude?

Narrator 0:53 I've seen him before. Yeah, I don't know that I know the song, though.

Joe Rogan 0:54 But this song is like... He's had other songs, but for some reason, this song resonated with a lot of people-

Donnell Rawlings 1:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01 ... in the country, man. It was like him reminiscing what, um, going to a place that made him feel good in the river.

Donnell Rawlings 1:07 I hope when we go over to Spotify we can play it. I don't think-

Joe Rogan 1:10 << I go. >> I could... << Take me to your river, I wanna go. I'll go >>

Donnell Rawlings 1:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:20 That's pretty much it. That's the one part everybody knows.

Donnell Rawlings 1:24 It's acceptable now for people wear like neck scarfs.

Joe Rogan 1:28 Are you being insulting?

Donnell Rawlings 1:29 Neckerchiefs. No, not at all.

Joe Rogan 1:31 It's... What are you saying though?

Donnell Rawlings 1:33 It's normal. If you'd worn that on any other time, I'd be like, "What is on your neck?"

Joe Rogan 1:36 And I would explain it to be a gator.

Donnell Rawlings 1:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:38 A gator.

Donnell Rawlings 1:39 I know what it is. I know what a gator is, I hunt.

Joe Rogan 1:40 Yeah, this is what it is. It's my gator.

Donnell Rawlings 1:42 Yeah, you wear 'em when you're sneaking up on animals.

Joe Rogan 1:44 Or people, or people.

Donnell Rawlings 1:46 But you don't wear 'em in that color. Well, that color's not... You can't sneak up on anybody. Or people.

Joe Rogan 1:49 Gay pride, gay pride. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 1:50 Well, it's... There's a lot of colors-

Joe Rogan 1:51 This could be-

Donnell Rawlings 1:51 ... in that. Yeah, I guess that's a rainbow.

Joe Rogan 1:53 Yeah, this is-

Donnell Rawlings 1:53 Not a traditional rainbow.

Joe Rogan 1:54 This is a liberal, liberal gator.

Donnell Rawlings 1:56 Liberal gator?

Joe Rogan 1:57 Yep. It's accepted by anything. Gay people, black people, Hispanic people, Tr- I'm sorry.

Donnell Rawlings 2:02 No worries.

Joe Rogan 2:03 My baby mother asking me about weed. Jesus fucking Christ.

Donnell Rawlings 2:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:07 I thought you don't like me? I thought you don't like me? Why you keep blowing me up about weed? You said you don't like me.

Donnell Rawlings 2:12 She likes your weed.

Joe Rogan 2:14 I mean, they like something, man.

Donnell Rawlings 2:15 What happened to your thumb?

Joe Rogan 2:17 I got shot.

Donnell Rawlings 2:19 Who shot you?

Joe Rogan 2:23 That's a question I haven't found an answer to.

Donnell Rawlings 2:25 Really?

Joe Rogan 2:26 It was... The shit happened so quick, Joe, I didn't really get, get a good look at the person, the person that shot me. Um, not too many people around to witness it, but I have the wound to show that I got shot.

Donnell Rawlings 2:40 Wh- What was the situation?

Joe Rogan 2:42 I was... My dog, you know, I got a little... I got a new dog.

Donnell Rawlings 2:44 She's adorable.

Joe Rogan 2:46 Listen, come here.

Donnell Rawlings 2:47 That's as adorable as a dog gets, ladies and gentlemen. Look at that little cutie. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:51 Yo, can you see-

Donnell Rawlings 2:52 Can you see her on camera?

Narrator 2:53 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:53 Yo, this is my emotional support dog.

Donnell Rawlings 2:55 That's Maggie?

Joe Rogan 2:56 Yeah, that's Maggie.

Donnell Rawlings 2:57 Maggie. Come here, sweetie.

Joe Rogan 2:58 Come here, Maggie.

Donnell Rawlings 2:59 Come here, honey. She's ad... She doesn't know what coffee is. She's like, "Hmm, what I try that?"

Joe Rogan 3:02 She don't know... She know what weed is, but she don't know what coffee is. But I was protecting her. Some people were trying... Joe, you want to hear the story about how I got shot or what?

Donnell Rawlings 3:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:11 I was protecting her honor, right?

Donnell Rawlings 3:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:13 I was protecting her from a hail of bullets. It was a gang, it was a lot of people. I don't remember all of that, but I got shot in my motherfucking thumb.

Donnell Rawlings 3:24 Where were you?

Joe Rogan 3:25 In the streets.

Donnell Rawlings 3:26 Oh, just regular?

Joe Rogan 3:28 Yeah, I was in the streets. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 3:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:30 I was in the streets. No, not just the-

Donnell Rawlings 3:32 Just the streets.

Joe Rogan 3:33 I was just in the streets.

Donnell Rawlings 3:34 No, no town?

Joe Rogan 3:35 No, just the streets.

Donnell Rawlings 3:36 Come here, Maggie.

Joe Rogan 3:36 And that happens sometimes, Joe. You put yourself... You're hanging in the streets, you put yourself in some unforgiving situations, and that's what happened to me, and that's how I got my motherfucking thumb shot the fuck off. And that's the story I'm talking, that's the story that I'm sticking to.

Donnell Rawlings 3:50 So you got caught in the crossfire?

Joe Rogan 3:52 A hail of bullets.

Donnell Rawlings 3:54 Jesus Christ.

Joe Rogan 3:54 45 shots rang out.

Narrator 3:56 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 3:56 Really?

Joe Rogan 3:56 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 3:57 Legitimately?

Joe Rogan 3:58 Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

Donnell Rawlings 4:01 Wow.

Joe Rogan 4:02 And this is the only injury I sustained.

Donnell Rawlings 4:05 Well, I'm very, very happy that that's the only injury you sustained.

Joe Rogan 4:08 You're not happy about it, Joe, because when I-

Donnell Rawlings 4:09 I love you. Come on.

Joe Rogan 4:10 I know you love me, but when I told you I got shot, you continued to question me about-

Donnell Rawlings 4:16 Well, Donnell, that's 'cause you're Donnell.

Joe Rogan 4:18 Right, but you continued to-

Donnell Rawlings 4:19 I didn't question you, like I didn't believe you.

Joe Rogan 4:21 You did, 100% you didn't believe me.

Donnell Rawlings 4:22 But you said it so casually.

Joe Rogan 4:24 That's what you-

Donnell Rawlings 4:24 I said, "Do you want a drink?" You said, "I can't, I'm on antibiotics." I said, "What happened?" You go, "I got shot."

Joe Rogan 4:30 That's it. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 4:31 (laughs) Now usually, any of, any of my other friends who've been shot, if I said, "Hey man, what happened?" And they said, "I got shot."

Joe Rogan 4:40 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 4:40 It wouldn't just end right there. They would say, "It's the craziest story ever, man. Uh-"

Joe Rogan 4:44 Yeah, but you know people-

Donnell Rawlings 4:45 "... I was on my way to the, on my way to the car and I had my little daughter and-

Joe Rogan 4:48 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 4:48 ... I was protecting her and shot..."

Joe Rogan 4:49 And that's the story that I told, but the thing that you didn't believe me... If someone said they got shot-

Donnell Rawlings 4:55 I believe you. You can't say I didn't believe you. That's not true.

Joe Rogan 4:57 It didn't look... The look in your face is like-

Donnell Rawlings 4:59 Well, it's unusual the way you were describing it. "I got shot." And then you wouldn't say anything more. Like what-

Joe Rogan 5:04 That's the problem with black people don't... "What happened? How'd you get shot?" "Well, remember I had the disagreement with so-and-so?"

Donnell Rawlings 5:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:09 "Well, we finally had an opportunity, our paths crossed."

Donnell Rawlings 5:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:12 "We found a situation where those energies came together and we was like-"

Donnell Rawlings 5:16 Ah!

Joe Rogan 5:16 "... how are we gonna settle this?" Right? It wasn't like that.

Donnell Rawlings 5:19 I understand.

Joe Rogan 5:20 It wasn't like that. It was a...

Donnell Rawlings 5:21 Okay.

Joe Rogan 5:21 And you don't-

Donnell Rawlings 5:22 So you don't want to get specific about details?

Joe Rogan 5:24 No, I don't want to get specific.

Donnell Rawlings 5:26 I understand.

Joe Rogan 5:26 I just want you to respect the fact that I got shot.

Donnell Rawlings 5:28 I believe that you got shot.

Joe Rogan 5:29 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 5:29 I do respect it. I'm sad that you got shot, but I'm glad you're okay.

Joe Rogan 5:32 I'm better. I'm good. Antibiotics helped.

Donnell Rawlings 5:34 So how is your thumb doing? Is it gonna be all right?

Joe Rogan 5:37 Yep. It's gonna be good. You know, we got all the bullet fragments out of it. You know, we avoided the surgery, so I'm gonna be good. Just gotta get the range of motion back.

Donnell Rawlings 5:47 Oh, that's real good. They didn't have to do any surgery on tendons or anything like that?

Joe Rogan 5:50 Nope. I got lucky.

Donnell Rawlings 5:52 I have a friend who cut his finger on a window, man, and he never got his fingers back again. His fingers are like this, curled.

Joe Rogan 5:58 I know, everybody knows a motherfucker like that, and we've all made fun of that motherfucker.

Donnell Rawlings 6:01 Hm.

Joe Rogan 6:02 We've made fun of the person that you know that don't have a thumb.

Donnell Rawlings 6:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:05 But I'm telling you, doing this, after we surviving this gunshot shit, just buttoning my pants become a task that I took advantage, I took, took for granted.

Donnell Rawlings 6:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:15 The point I'm making is that you're lucky to have all of your limbs, all of your shit on your body.

Donnell Rawlings 6:21 Yep. That's true.

Joe Rogan 6:21 And you don't appreciate it till one of the motherfucking gone.

Donnell Rawlings 6:24 Well, I think that's the case with everything, right?

Joe Rogan 6:26 Mm-hmm.

Donnell Rawlings 6:26 Like, we didn't appreciate how good we had it before the lockdown. Before COVID came around, nobody appreciated how good we really had it.

Joe Rogan 6:33 We was living in the moment.

Donnell Rawlings 6:34 It, we were all so spoiled. We were spoiled by how good everything was.

Joe Rogan 6:38 But we didn't think it was spoiled because that was what was going on-

Donnell Rawlings 6:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:42 ... until shit s- shifted, and then same thing, like, you lose your thumb. You're like, "Oh, shit, you know, I really do appreciate, uh, doing those three spots that night."

Donnell Rawlings 6:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:52 You know what I mean? "I appreciated the fact that I could just walk with my family anywhere and I wouldn't be judged, I wouldn't be discriminated against or whatever." It'd just be like, "There goes Joe and his family," not just like, "Do you have a mask or not?"

Donnell Rawlings 7:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:04 You know?

Donnell Rawlings 7:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:06 But I do believe that it took a pandemic for people to really realize what the most important things in life are.

Donnell Rawlings 7:15 I think so, for sure. I think at the beginning people were nicer, because they were scared and they were like, it was almost like post-9/11 feeling.

Joe Rogan 7:22 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 7:22 Like, we're all in this together.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 7:24 That didn't last very long.

Joe Rogan 7:25 It wa- it was unrealistic to think that everybody's gonna be that way. People are gonna get frustrated.

Donnell Rawlings 7:29 Once also resources started getting low and people started realizing they're not gonna be able to work for a long fucking time.

Joe Rogan 7:35 Correct.

Donnell Rawlings 7:36 Did you see that the governor got busted? Did you see the photos?

Joe Rogan 7:38 Which governor?

Donnell Rawlings 7:39 Governor of California.

Joe Rogan 7:40 He got busted for what?

Donnell Rawlings 7:41 Got busted going to a restaurant with 12 people, no social distancing, no masks. All the shit that he's been preaching for, he didn't do. They were saying that he was in, outdoors, like his-

Joe Rogan 7:50 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 7:50 ... his people said it was outdoors, but now they have photos of it, 100% indoors.

Joe Rogan 7:54 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 7:54 They're all indoors.

Joe Rogan 7:55 But the thing is-

Donnell Rawlings 7:55 Talking, sitting.

Joe Rogan 7:56 ... the, the unrealistic part about that, you know people got to push their platform, this mad shit is, has been crazy. But me, I know it shouldn't be like this, and I know it's like, but what does it-

Donnell Rawlings 8:05 Look at how she curls up and you-

Joe Rogan 8:06 But what does it represent?

Donnell Rawlings 8:08 ... she's so adorable.

Joe Rogan 8:08 When I see motherfuckers like that in a situation like that, no mask, not social distancing, I just assume that they all been tested and they all have been in a bubble situation.

Donnell Rawlings 8:19 Well, that's because-

Joe Rogan 8:20 That's what I think.

Donnell Rawlings 8:20 ... you've been in a bunch of bubble situations, like when-

Joe Rogan 8:22 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 8:22 ... when Dave did the shows down in Yellow Springs, you guys all got tested.

Joe Rogan 8:25 Like you, you bubbled me first.

Donnell Rawlings 8:26 I bubble you here, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:27 You're the first person, you're the first person. You didn't rape my nose, you rape, raped my finger.

Donnell Rawlings 8:32 (scoffs) I didn't do it.

Joe Rogan 8:33 Yes, you did.

Donnell Rawlings 8:33 You hired a nurse.

Joe Rogan 8:34 You made somebody do it.

Donnell Rawlings 8:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:37 You can call it whatever the fuck you wanna do, (laughs) but she worked for you.

Donnell Rawlings 8:40 That's true.

Joe Rogan 8:40 And you forced that, that she had to do it.

Donnell Rawlings 8:43 Well, I just suggested it'd probably be a good idea for everybody.

Joe Rogan 8:45 Yeah, but they, but it was good for everybody and you knew that-

Donnell Rawlings 8:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:48 ... so we know, like, that's a bubble world.

Donnell Rawlings 8:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:50 But it's not surprising that you would see the governor in a situation like that because I'm pretty sure it doesn't send out the right message, but I'm pretty sure that them motherfuckers was tested.

Donnell Rawlings 8:59 Well, that's what he should've said. They can't say that because they're a politician and everybody would go, "Wait a minute, if I just test people, can I go to work?" Like, what Dave's doing with all his shows.

Joe Rogan 9:08 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 9:08 Test people in the audience and you can have a full audience, you can, you know you have a bunch of people that are healthy.

Joe Rogan 9:13 You, no, you, you, you're taking the measures to create that safety.

Donnell Rawlings 9:18 Yes.

Joe Rogan 9:18 It's a bubble. Here's the thing that a lot of people don't understand is that, like, you could literally create your own bubble.

Donnell Rawlings 9:25 Yes.

Joe Rogan 9:25 Like, eh, I know people like, well, in certain states, you have to meet a certain requirement to be tested, you can't be tested unless you have s- she starts showing symptoms. But you could create your bubble. There's testing almost everywhere. There's an opportunity for people to get tested.

Donnell Rawlings 9:40 It's a little harder than that for most people because r- rapid testing-

Joe Rogan 9:43 But most people mean state for state?

Donnell Rawlings 9:45 Most people, in terms of, like, just peoples with, uh, just, uh, your access to it. It's not that common where you can go to a place and get a quick test yet.

Joe Rogan 9:53 Okay, so then what's the difference? And I may be wrong, that, this may be my ignorance, like California, like I know the situation, like, at Dodger Stadium.

Donnell Rawlings 10:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:01 You know what I'm saying? Like, for the most part, anybody with, I guess, a California ID or whatever, they can get tested.

Donnell Rawlings 10:07 No, but hold on, you know that takes hours. You know, those people have to wait in line for hours. There was a line do-

Joe Rogan 10:12 To get it done.

Donnell Rawlings 10:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And where, where are stu-

Joe Rogan 10:15 But why does that matter?

Donnell Rawlings 10:15 It takes fucking... If you have a job, man. If you have a job and you're, you're supposed to be at work at 9:00 AM and you, you get to the COVID thing at 7:30 and they tell you it's a two and a half hour line, that's what it is, that's the reality. And most of those aren't giving you the results immediately.

Joe Rogan 10:28 Not immediately, but enough where you could, if you got those results, let's say, you get those results in 18 hours, say you were gonna plan a family function or something-

Donnell Rawlings 10:35 Yeah, you don't do shit for 18 hours-

Joe Rogan 10:36 ... like, you could, you could do-

Donnell Rawlings 10:37 ... and then, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:37 What I'm saying is, like, when the bubble, the idea of the bubble first started, it started with the NBA, you kinda contributed to that, Dave did it. But-

Donnell Rawlings 10:43 Well, UFC did it first.

Joe Rogan 10:44 Yeah, they did it.

Donnell Rawlings 10:44 They did it and UFC did it first.

Joe Rogan 10:46 But do they, they always thought, like, "Oh my God." You don't have to be a millionaire to create a safe bubble for you and your family and your friends, right?

Donnell Rawlings 10:54 No, you can do it now easier than ever before. But the, the problem with the governor saying it is other people will, like, will let us make a bubble and go to work, 'cause that's what they should do.

Joe Rogan 11:03 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 11:03 What they could do is what we're doing here, we're just lucky that podcasting is a, an essential business. I think she's trying to jump down.

Joe Rogan 11:10 She's not trying to kill herself, jumping down. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 11:11 No, I mean she's just looking over the edge.

Joe Rogan 11:13 Oh, right, it's, no, she's my emotional dog, so.

Donnell Rawlings 11:16 I understand.

Joe Rogan 11:16 All right.

Donnell Rawlings 11:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:17 Listen, if-

Donnell Rawlings 11:17 I'm, I'm-

Joe Rogan 11:18 ... anybody gonna jump, it's gonna be me. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 11:19 ... I'm in tune with her.

Joe Rogan 11:21 Okay.

Donnell Rawlings 11:21 (clears throat) She's the most adorable little dog I've ever seen.

Joe Rogan 11:24 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 11:24 I've never seen a little dog as a puppy.

Joe Rogan 11:26 Maggie River, she's five months old. She knows her biological dad and I'm her new dad.

Donnell Rawlings 11:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:32 (laughs) It was important for me, for her to know her biological dad 'cause I didn't want her to come from a place with, like, mental issues and shit, but-

Donnell Rawlings 11:39 I understand.

Joe Rogan 11:39 ... she's in tune with her mother, she knows her two, her brothers and sister, they have playdates.

Donnell Rawlings 11:43 She's a little cutie.

Joe Rogan 11:43 But she knows she's my, my little bitch right now.

Donnell Rawlings 11:45 What kind of dog is she?

Joe Rogan 11:46 A Chihuahua Pit Bull, uh-

Donnell Rawlings 11:49 No. She's part Pit Bull?

Joe Rogan 11:51 That dog don't look like it's part Pit... (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 11:54 (laughs) What kind of Pit Bull fucked a Chihuahua?

Joe Rogan 11:56 A toy Pit Bull.

Donnell Rawlings 11:57 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 11:58 Yeah, she's toy.

Donnell Rawlings 11:58 Oh, one of the little ones.

Joe Rogan 11:59 She's toy Chihuahua, a toy, toys-

Donnell Rawlings 12:01 'Cause toy Pit Bulls are cute little dogs.

Joe Rogan 12:02 Yeah, she's ferocious. Don't let that fucking sad eyes fool you.

Donnell Rawlings 12:05 Have you ever seen a, a toy Pit Bull, Jamie?... they're really tiny. We know real pit bulls, like the fighting pit bulls, they were like 30 pounds. They weren't big dogs. The ones that they bred for fighting, the smaller ones are the little, little demons.

Joe Rogan 12:19 I don't even know if I can remember ever seeing a small pit bull.

Donnell Rawlings 12:22 Yeah. Bryan Callen used to have a small pit bull. It was a tiny one and it was ferocious.

Joe Rogan 12:27 That's where he gets his personality from. It's not him, it's the-

Donnell Rawlings 12:29 No, he bought it at-

Joe Rogan 12:30 ... it's the animals.

Donnell Rawlings 12:30 ... we went to a guy who raised them for fighting.

Joe Rogan 12:34 Oh, shit.

Donnell Rawlings 12:34 Yeah. We were like, in our 20s.

Narrator 12:36 Those are all mostly puppies, but-

Donnell Rawlings 12:38 Oh my God, look how tiny.

Joe Rogan 12:40 Damn, that little motherfucker look tough as shit, the black one.

Donnell Rawlings 12:43 (laughs) Look at his face.

Joe Rogan 12:43 The Black Lives Matter one, son.

Donnell Rawlings 12:45 Look at his face.

Joe Rogan 12:45 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 12:46 Oh my God, that's ridiculous. That dog's ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 12:49 That dog's hardcore.

Donnell Rawlings 12:49 See, that's the thing that they do. They, they take these dogs and they, they turn them into-

Joe Rogan 12:52 But they break their legs and shit like that, right?

Donnell Rawlings 12:54 Well, no, they just breed them. They, they do what's called, uh, like, they, they select, right? So like a dog with shorter legs, they'll breed with another dog with shorter legs and they'll try to select for certain traits.

Joe Rogan 13:08 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 13:08 Like I used to have a dog that was from Hawaii and they used him for hog hunting. That's what they use his family for. So he had long ears.

Joe Rogan 13:15 It was a dog specific-

Donnell Rawlings 13:17 He's, he's a pit bull.

Joe Rogan 13:17 ... to Hawaii?

Donnell Rawlings 13:19 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:19 Yeah?

Donnell Rawlings 13:19 Yeah. They, they, they breed a lot of pit bulls in Hawaii for hog hunting.

Joe Rogan 13:22 And what are their jobs? 'Cause most dogs have to do, they go get birds. What the fuck does it do?

Donnell Rawlings 13:25 Hog hunting.

Joe Rogan 13:26 Okay.

Donnell Rawlings 13:27 See, what they do is, in the real thick brush you can't really get to the hogs. Like it's hard to shoot them even with a gun. Like you're shooting through hundreds of yards of brush.

Joe Rogan 13:36 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 13:36 But the dogs can go in there and get them, and they'll hold them. They'll hold the pig. And so there's a style of pig hunting-

Joe Rogan 13:41 That makes the hunting easy though, right?

Donnell Rawlings 13:44 It does, except for the dog. It's not like the same kinda hunting because you're-

Joe Rogan 13:49 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 13:49 ... relying 100% on the dogs. Usually there's two groups of dogs, depending on what animal you're d- Like if they, they hunt mountain lions, they use, they'll use a certain kind of dog that'll bay the dog.

Joe Rogan 13:58 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 13:59 It'll bay the mountain lion and... But if they hunt pigs, a lot of times they'll use an animal that lets you know where the pig is, and then they release other animals that hold the pig. So those are the, those are the pit bulls.

Joe Rogan 14:09 And then you shoot them?

Donnell Rawlings 14:11 Well, they usually stab them.

Joe Rogan 14:12 Hand, like up?

Donnell Rawlings 14:13 Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's kinda fucked, because-

Joe Rogan 14:16 Oh, so that experience is all about the dog?

Donnell Rawlings 14:19 It's the dog is the one who did it and you just finish the job.

Joe Rogan 14:22 Damn.

Donnell Rawlings 14:23 It's crazy too. There's (coughs) , excuse me, there's, there's videos of it, of the way they do it and it's like woof. And I've been asked to go on one of those hunts. I'm like, "I am not interested in doing that." Like where-

Joe Rogan 14:33 What do they do? What, what happens when the dog gets old? Do they like-

Donnell Rawlings 14:35 They get new dogs. But this is a, this is a thing that people are doing for two reasons. One, for food, right? 'Cause this is the best way that they can get food. Like you can trap this animal and then th- that's, that's how you're gonna get the animal. If you just rely on just hunting with like a rifle or a bow and arrow in real thick shit with wild pigs, you're probably gonna go hungry.

Joe Rogan 14:56 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 14:56 So, so there's that. And then the other thing is, these are invasive animals. Like they, they were brought over to Hawaii and they're wild and they have no predators, so they have to kill them. They have to control their populations.

Joe Rogan 15:05 So did they bring them over to kill a s- a species or something? Like I know that-

Donnell Rawlings 15:09 No, no, they brought them over for food.

Joe Rogan 15:11 Oh, okay.

Donnell Rawlings 15:11 Like Captain Cook and those dudes used to do that shit. They used to release goats on islands.

Joe Rogan 15:14 I don't know Captain Cook. I only c- I know Cap- I know Cap'n Crunch.

Donnell Rawlings 15:17 I know Cap'n Crunch as well.

Joe Rogan 15:18 Yeah, that's a... I don't know Cap'n Crunch.

Donnell Rawlings 15:19 Delicious stuff.

Joe Rogan 15:20 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 15:21 Um, Captain Hook was, uh, an old pirate, right? Wasn't he?

Narrator 15:25 Cook. Cook.

Donnell Rawlings 15:25 Cook. Did that say Hook?

Narrator 15:26 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 15:26 Hook was a pirate too (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 15:28 Oh, so he's a Disney pirate.

Donnell Rawlings 15:30 That's some good news shit.

Joe Rogan 15:30 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 15:30 Captain Cook, uh, he used to go to islands and they would drop off animals so that the next time they came around, they'd have something to eat. Because it-

Joe Rogan 15:39 That's smart.

Donnell Rawlings 15:40 Yeah, so they'd leave goats on an island. I think that's how the goats got on Galapagos. I think that's how they got on s- a lot of islands. The, these pirates or sailors would drop these animals off. But meanwhile, these animals destroy ecosystems.

Joe Rogan 15:52 Yeah, but you had some fresh goat when you came back.

Donnell Rawlings 15:54 We had some fresh goat.

Joe Rogan 15:55 Yeah, fuck the rivers and shit.

Donnell Rawlings 15:56 They had a lot of turtles too. They, they killed off a lot of sea turtles 'cause they would take sea turtles and they would flip them over and put them on their back, and they'd be good for weeks. Like they didn't-

Joe Rogan 16:04 And they would eat them?

Donnell Rawlings 16:04 Yep, they would eat them. 'Cause you don't, you don't need any... They don't need anything. Like they can survive just on their back for weeks and weeks and weeks, and you don't have to worry about refrigeration or them, you know...

Joe Rogan 16:15 Yeah, but you can't tell somebody you're hunting turtles.

Donnell Rawlings 16:18 You're not trying to do it for sport.

Joe Rogan 16:20 That's... They slow as a motherfuck if you like... I fucking stalked this fucking, I followed this turtle for three days.

Donnell Rawlings 16:26 (laughs) I think, um, they probably get them on the beach. But if you got them in the water, they'd be quick. Sea turtles, like when you try to catch them while they're swimming-

Joe Rogan 16:34 When I was growing up, we'd catch a motherfucking, uh, turtle on the road and it was always one country motherfucker, like he us- he was a mechanic in the neighborhood and he had like oil up under his hand. He always helped people's baby mothers with fucking changing their brake pads and shit.

Donnell Rawlings 16:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:48 Just one of those grimy, dirty motherfuckers that eat any type of roadkill. And whenever we saw fucking a dar- dead turtle or something, we knew that nigga was gonna be yelling out "Turtle soup."

Donnell Rawlings 16:59 Yeah, people like turtle soup.

Joe Rogan 17:01 That's what he did. Yeah. I'm not a big fan of it, but-

Donnell Rawlings 17:03 I've never had it.

Joe Rogan 17:04 Yeah. It seems like it would probably be an alligator, meaty, meaty type of family.

Donnell Rawlings 17:08 Alligator tastes good.

Joe Rogan 17:10 It is.

Donnell Rawlings 17:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:10 Everything tastes good when it tastes like chicken. That's the reference for anything it tastes like chicken.

Donnell Rawlings 17:15 Yeah. I had frog legs recently. They were good.

Joe Rogan 17:19 You... It's... I've had frog legs before, but trying to convince a Black person to eat frog where, legs is a tough sell. That's-

Donnell Rawlings 17:27 To order?

Joe Rogan 17:28 Yeah, to a, to for bl-

Donnell Rawlings 17:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:29 To get a Black person (sniffs) to order frog legs off of a menu is like getting them to say, "I want my steak w, uh, rare." It's always gotta be well done.

Donnell Rawlings 17:41 You eat well done?

Joe Rogan 17:43 No, that's what I'm saying. I don't.

Donnell Rawlings 17:44 Oh, but how do you eat your steak?

Joe Rogan 17:46 Medium.

Donnell Rawlings 17:47 Medium?

Joe Rogan 17:48 Yep.

Donnell Rawlings 17:49 Not medium rare?

Joe Rogan 17:51 I don't... There's a lot of Black people that watch this show.

Donnell Rawlings 17:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:57 (laughs) And they're gonna be like, "I'ma tell you when he changed, when they started talking about blood."

Donnell Rawlings 18:01 Medium rare.

Joe Rogan 18:02 Yeah, when they was like... When they started talking about blood, that's when he lost the streets, so.... that I could do medium. Medium rare, I can't do it. I would-

Donnell Rawlings 18:11 I understand.

Joe Rogan 18:12 ... I've had it like that, but my preference would be medium.

Donnell Rawlings 18:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:14 But, dude, average, you know, circle that I grew up around.

Donnell Rawlings 18:17 My jujitsu instructor eats it well done and when he orders it, I cringe, like, "Ugh."

Joe Rogan 18:22 You know-

Donnell Rawlings 18:22 Jean-Jacques Machado, well done. I go, "Oof."

Joe Rogan 18:25 Do you know what that feeling is? For the ch- imagine the chef that gets the order that says, "Two well done steaks at table 49." Ch- they're calling him every fucking racial thing that they can think of. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 18:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:37 That's the quickest way to fucking fi- make somebody f- order a fucking well done steak and see how's it-

Donnell Rawlings 18:43 Chefs do not enjoy it.

Joe Rogan 18:44 Not at all?

Donnell Rawlings 18:44 They, they, they don't like cooking it like that. That's a weird thing, like, a preference thing, like, if you ask people's preference, like, it's not like you just cook it. Like, if you order chicken, they just cook your chicken.

Joe Rogan 18:53 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 18:53 They don't ask you what temperature you'd like your chicken breast. They just cook it.

Joe Rogan 18:56 But they know.

Donnell Rawlings 18:56 Yeah, well, they just cook it.

Joe Rogan 18:57 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 18:58 But even pork chops, same thing, right?

Joe Rogan 19:01 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 19:01 They don't ask you. But with steak, they'll give you options. Well, why the fuck are you giving me an option if I can't have well done?

Joe Rogan 19:08 You should just have it your way, but it's just insulting.

Donnell Rawlings 19:11 It is, but-

Joe Rogan 19:12 It's insulting, like-

Donnell Rawlings 19:12 ... they give the opportunity to insult, because they do have that as an option.

Joe Rogan 19:17 Have you ever been, uh, a certain way, like, judge somebody by the way they-

Donnell Rawlings 19:22 They eat?

Joe Rogan 19:22 ... order their steak?

Donnell Rawlings 19:23 Yeah, I do, honestly. But, but again, Jean-Jacques Machado, like I said, um, I have nothing but respect for him, but it's, makes me sad that he likes well done meat.

Joe Rogan 19:31 (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 19:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:33 I know this is gonna be bad. People are gonna be like, "What type of brother am I?" But I took, my sister out to eat once. She ordered a steak and she ordered it well done. I said, "I think you should order something else." I said, "I'm not paying for a leather belt."

Donnell Rawlings 19:45 Wow.

Joe Rogan 19:45 And I didn't even have to eat the shit. I wasn't gonna do it. I just felt fucked up.

Donnell Rawlings 19:49 Well, you felt judgey.

Joe Rogan 19:51 I didn't feel, I was judgey.

Donnell Rawlings 19:53 A little judgey.

Joe Rogan 19:53 Yep. I was like, "Let that fucking hood shit go."

Donnell Rawlings 19:55 Is it... But isn't that the only food that we have that with? Like, cheeseburgers, nobody gives a fuck. If somebody says, "How do you want your cheeseburger?" You're like, "Medium well done?"

Joe Rogan 20:02 Well, in the black community, in the black community, when you say cheeseburger, for the most part, that's gonna be well done.

Donnell Rawlings 20:08 Yeah, it's cheese b-

Joe Rogan 20:08 Black people don't wanna see the pink in it. That's d-

Donnell Rawlings 20:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:10 ... they want. They will tell you, "All the pink out."

Donnell Rawlings 20:14 Well, you really should with ground beef. See, the thing with ground beef is you don't know what the surface area is. When you're eating ground beef, right? They take a, a, a cow's whatever, and they grind it up. The stuff in the middle, like, that could've been on the outside, right? So you don't know, like, when you get a steak, you sear the outside, you cook the outside. The- there's no room for bacteria. Anything that could've grown on the outside is dead. And the inside, you don't have to worry about unless it's rotten.

Joe Rogan 20:42 That's why black people get their fucking hamburgers well done, Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 20:45 Well, that's, that's why I was saying. I'm saying for hamburgers.

Joe Rogan 20:47 We didn't know it, but that's just what it was for hamburgers, yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 20:49 Yeah. Right, you don't wanna get food poisoning.

Joe Rogan 20:51 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 20:51 Yeah, hamburgers, unless you are right there when they grind it or you go to a top shelf restaurant where they literally, they'll take a piece of chuck roast and they'll gr- or even filet mignon.

Joe Rogan 21:01 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 21:01 Like, some of them do it with, like, a, a lean cut.

Joe Rogan 21:03 If you get a burger that's ground out of filet mignon, you're in the right neighborhood.

Donnell Rawlings 21:06 You're in the right neighborhood.

Joe Rogan 21:07 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 21:07 They usually add fat to it, believe it or not.

Joe Rogan 21:09 To make it juicier?

Donnell Rawlings 21:10 Yeah, to make it juicier.

Joe Rogan 21:11 What is it with white people with blood, though?

Donnell Rawlings 21:13 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 21:14 I mean, like, like, I know this is bizarre, but white people get a kick out of, like, the rarest they can order their steak. Like, the blood part of it, like-

Donnell Rawlings 21:23 No.

Joe Rogan 21:23 ... get... What?

Donnell Rawlings 21:24 Nobody's... Rare is weird. When somebody orders rare or you know what blue is?

Joe Rogan 21:27 But you be, you proud of the blood, Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 21:30 No.

Joe Rogan 21:30 Every time you post a elk picture, it's like you-

Donnell Rawlings 21:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:34 ... you can't just show the meat. You want motherfuckers to see the knife-

Donnell Rawlings 21:38 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 21:38 ... and you do your picture, Joe. And dis- it's like you waited for the blood to sweat at a certain temperature. You know when it looks the bloodiest and that's the shot you always get.

Donnell Rawlings 21:47 But that's not what I'm trying to do. What I'm trying to do is show that it's cooked perfectly, that it's medium rare with respect for the meat. When I do it, I use a thermometer. I mean, I do it nice and slow.

Joe Rogan 21:57 Oh my God, man.

Donnell Rawlings 21:57 And I know you know how to cook. Don't get crazy.

Joe Rogan 21:59 Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Donnell Rawlings 22:00 Don't get crazy.

Joe Rogan 22:01 Wait a minute, Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 22:01 Just trying to explain something.

Joe Rogan 22:02 Wait a minute, Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 22:03 What?

Joe Rogan 22:04 You're a man of wilderness.

Donnell Rawlings 22:06 Yes.

Joe Rogan 22:06 Right? And all that, you're well respected.

Donnell Rawlings 22:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:09 Right?

Donnell Rawlings 22:09 Look at that, though.

Joe Rogan 22:09 Yeah, look at that, Joe. Look at that.

Donnell Rawlings 22:11 That shit's perfect. It's perfect.

Joe Rogan 22:12 Look at that.

Donnell Rawlings 22:13 That's perfect. You can't, it doesn't get better than that.

Joe Rogan 22:16 But you're proud of the color of it.

Donnell Rawlings 22:18 'Cause it's perfect. It's perfectly cooked.

Joe Rogan 22:21 But it looks bl- it's like, (growls) what is it?

Donnell Rawlings 22:24 That's elk. That's elk. That's super athlete.

Joe Rogan 22:29 I argued with someone because I told them that you like elk and I can make elk and they were like, "This is, you can't ma-"

Donnell Rawlings 22:34 I'm sure you can make it.

Joe Rogan 22:35 But they were like-

Donnell Rawlings 22:35 Tom Papa makes it.

Joe Rogan 22:37 The last time I spoke to you about, uh, me cooking, you were very condescending.

Donnell Rawlings 22:43 That's not true.

Joe Rogan 22:43 Yes, you were. You were making fun of me.

Donnell Rawlings 22:45 No, I, I said it the same way I said you got shot.

Joe Rogan 22:47 No, y- okay-

Donnell Rawlings 22:48 I said, "You can cook?"

Joe Rogan 22:49 Yeah. And you, you're right.

Donnell Rawlings 22:50 That's not condescending.

Joe Rogan 22:51 It is, but the way, with that, the way you looked at me, you looked me up and down, you judged me-

Donnell Rawlings 22:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:55 ... and then you said it. That's the difference, Joe. That's the difference. When I said I could cook elk and you looked at me like, "Get the fuck out of here."

Donnell Rawlings 23:02 Let me just hear what I've heard. Let me tell you what I've heard. I heard you cook really well.

Joe Rogan 23:04 Okay.

Donnell Rawlings 23:04 I heard you have amazing barbecue skills.

Joe Rogan 23:07 That's could be borderline racist.

Donnell Rawlings 23:08 Quite a, quite a few people-

Joe Rogan 23:09 That could be borderline racist.

Donnell Rawlings 23:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:11 That could be borderline... That's just like-

Donnell Rawlings 23:13 Isn't that your shit? What is your shit?

Joe Rogan 23:14 Yeah, but you said barbecue. You're like-

Donnell Rawlings 23:16 Listen, barbecue is one of the most complex forms of cooking.

Joe Rogan 23:18 I know, but you see, when I hear barbecue, I hear about-

Donnell Rawlings 23:19 You gotta be real careful. You're doing it slow. Too much, you fuck it up. Too little, you don't do it right. And then you, it's hard to put it back on because it hasn't been sitting at the same temperature the entire time.

Joe Rogan 23:28 That's the art of barbecuing.

Donnell Rawlings 23:30 Yes.

Joe Rogan 23:30 But when I hear barbecue, I think about The Barbecue.

Donnell Rawlings 23:32 I understand.

Joe Rogan 23:33 Like the Black barbecue.

Donnell Rawlings 23:34 I understand that.

Joe Rogan 23:34 With, like, the Frankie Beverly-

Donnell Rawlings 23:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:36 ... and the whole thing, it's a whole production, not just-

Donnell Rawlings 23:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:38 ... one piece of barbecue. That's what I'm saying.

Donnell Rawlings 23:39 Barbecue in Texas is mostly white people, I think.

Joe Rogan 23:41 And I, yo, I will say this-

Donnell Rawlings 23:42 As far as my own personal experiences.

Joe Rogan 23:44 I will say this, white people can fucking smoke some meat.

Donnell Rawlings 23:48 They know how to do it here, I'll tell you that.

Joe Rogan 23:49 They, when I first got, I think it was a place called Black's. I don't know if, if you found a favorite or whatever.

Donnell Rawlings 23:53 Terry Black's-

Joe Rogan 23:54 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 23:54 ... phenomenal.

Joe Rogan 23:55 Didn't that, that franchise-

Donnell Rawlings 23:56 Oh.

Joe Rogan 23:56 Didn't they break up, like...

Donnell Rawlings 23:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 23:58 They broke up one person takes over-

Donnell Rawlings 23:59 They used to be with the family, then the, the sons started on their own. That's the, the place I've been, yeah, they had some issues.

Joe Rogan 24:05 They started beefing with each other, literally.

Donnell Rawlings 24:06 I don't wanna g- air their dirty laundry on the podcast.

Joe Rogan 24:08 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 24:08 But, uh, the sons opened up a sp-

Joe Rogan 24:09 Somebody stole the barbecue secret sauce.

Donnell Rawlings 24:11 Something happened.... something happened. 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 24:14 Somebody gave up the secret sauce.

Donnell Rawlings 24:15 These pla- peop- Terry Black's in town has only been open since 2014, I believe. And th- it, it feels like a place that's been around 100 years. I mean, they got it dialed in. That barbecue's off the hook. It's so good.

Joe Rogan 24:27 Think about it. They have to have it dialed in if, if they came up generations and generations.

Donnell Rawlings 24:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:33 They're just putting whatever the recipe is, whatever the love is-

Donnell Rawlings 24:35 Darnell, they make their own, they make their own smokers. They use giant propane tanks, and they make their own smokers.

Joe Rogan 24:41 Uh, maybe that's what I enjoy next.

Donnell Rawlings 24:43 Next level.

Joe Rogan 24:44 Yeah, white people level of barbecue, when they, when they start doing the machines, and different ways of-

Donnell Rawlings 24:47 I should say they hire someone to make their smokers. But they get this dude to make the smokers out of propane tanks. They're not buying, like, a big commercial smoker. They're having this commercial smoker made. We, they gave us a tour.

Joe Rogan 24:59 That's cheating the game, bro.

Donnell Rawlings 25:00 They did an amazing job. They wanted it to their specifications. And those, those, uh, propane tanks are thick as fuck. It's heavy gauge steel.

Joe Rogan 25:07 Fuck that, man. Where's the wood?

Donnell Rawlings 25:09 Well, you cook with wood.

Joe Rogan 25:10 Okay.

Donnell Rawlings 25:11 The wood is on offset. You know how those smokers work, right?

Joe Rogan 25:13 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 25:13 So you have an off- a fire box.

Joe Rogan 25:15 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 25:15 The fire box is over on the side, and they're constantly checking the temperature and opening the flues, make sure it's at a perfect temperature. And then, you got the smoker, which is off to the side. And they're moving meat around, 'cause it's hotter where the air comes right out, but they're really well-

Joe Rogan 25:29 So they got the whole system.

Donnell Rawlings 25:29 Oh, my God, they got it dialed in. Their brisket is ridiculous. It's so good.

Joe Rogan 25:33 That's the, what I'm talking about, bruh.

Donnell Rawlings 25:35 Oh.

Joe Rogan 25:35 That shit melts in your mouth. And it's, and that brisket-

Donnell Rawlings 25:37 Uh.

Joe Rogan 25:37 ... don't come off bloody like that.

Donnell Rawlings 25:39 (clicks tongue) It's a different kind of animal. That's, that's, that's elk. I mean, you could have elk, and you could do it that way. They cook the neck meat that way. My friend John Dudley, we were-

Joe Rogan 25:48 Ne- elk n- neck meat?

Donnell Rawlings 25:49 Yeah, neck meat. 'Cause the neck meat is very strong and dense. Because elk has giant antlers, right?

Joe Rogan 25:55 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 25:55 So el- elks car- it's like it's doing weights with its neck.

Joe Rogan 25:58 But elk doesn't have no fatty. It's no fatty fat.

Donnell Rawlings 26:00 No fat, no fat, no fat. There's a little bit of fat on the outside of them, but there's no fat in the meat at all. It's a totally different thing. So you gotta cook it slow. So if it's anything other than that, like, medium rare like that, it's gonna be dried out.

Joe Rogan 26:12 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 26:12 You want it just cooked slowly and seared on the outside. So, like, I take a totally different approach if I'm cooking, like, a rib eye from a, a cow versus a elk steak. Completely different way of cooking.

Joe Rogan 26:24 I know that because you never post regular steak pictures. It's like-

Donnell Rawlings 26:28 I'm, I, I eat regular steak. I do.

Joe Rogan 26:29 No, you don't. You don't never. You fucking, once you did your fucking first elk-

Donnell Rawlings 26:33 (hums)

Joe Rogan 26:34 ... your regular steak pictures was just dead, man.

Donnell Rawlings 26:37 Well, they're not as interesting to me. Regular steak is great. I'll cook it, I'll eat it, but the elk is like, I have an intimate relationship with that.

Joe Rogan 26:46 Everyone knows that.

Donnell Rawlings 26:47 Of course they do.

Joe Rogan 26:48 I mean-

Donnell Rawlings 26:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:49 (laughs) Even when I tell people I'm gonna do your show, they're like, "Take a bite of the elk for me."

Donnell Rawlings 26:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:56 I'm serious, man. It's like, yo, you done some cool shit. They seen you do a lot of cool shit, but they never seen you ... And you told me, do I really want elk? And I was like, "Yeah, but, um, it, I had, I was in the hospital recovering from an injury, so I couldn't get here-"

Donnell Rawlings 27:09 Damn.

Joe Rogan 27:09 "... the way I wanted to."

Donnell Rawlings 27:10 That's a, uh, a lucky injury in a sense, right?

Joe Rogan 27:14 I mean-

Donnell Rawlings 27:14 Like all the things that could've gone wrong with your thumb, not even need surgery.

Joe Rogan 27:17 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 27:18 Be able to get the bullet fragments out.

Joe Rogan 27:19 I mean, that's, that's how I run my life, man. I try to make it easy as possible.

Donnell Rawlings 27:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:22 Anybody else could've fucking had this injury and been fucked up. If the pandemic can't stop me, neither can this fucking thumb, man.

Donnell Rawlings 27:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:30 How does it feel? I know it's a crazy question, get it all the time. From being from a place, like you were saying, like, what we took advantage of-

Donnell Rawlings 27:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:37 ... and one of the things ... We never took advantage of stage time, 'cause we always did it, but not having it accessible to you all the time. How does it feel here with not being able to be like, "You know what? I'm getting ready to go do, like, fucking three spots and hammer some shit out real quick"?

Donnell Rawlings 27:53 Well, th- I haven't done that since March, you know, since, uh, the store closed down. There was no, uh, comedy at all in LA. So it was-

Joe Rogan 28:02 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 28:02 ... it was a whole life shift. Um, the only time I did it on the road was July. And in July, I did four shows at the Houston Improv. I had a great fucking time.

Joe Rogan 28:12 I just left there, man.

Donnell Rawlings 28:13 Great place.

Joe Rogan 28:14 It was... Did you feel... I know this sounds crazy. I know we gonna get to some mask shit, mask shit story, whatever.

Donnell Rawlings 28:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:21 But it's a club that had a certain capacity. Now, they gotta trim it down-

Donnell Rawlings 28:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:25 ... to meet whatever the mandated rules are.

Donnell Rawlings 28:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:27 But people were in there. Temperature check, they were in there.

Donnell Rawlings 28:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:30 I know this sounds crazy. Some people wore masks, some people didn't have masks.

Donnell Rawlings 28:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:34 And I think, if I'm not mistaken, they sell the tickets as a group, right?

Donnell Rawlings 28:38 I don't know if they're doing that now, but they're doing that at a lot of places.

Joe Rogan 28:40 A- and it's like you feel good about it-

Donnell Rawlings 28:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:43 ... you know? But then it's like people take away from that feeling because it's always somebody like, "Ah, where's the mask? Where's the mask?"

Donnell Rawlings 28:51 Right. There, there are people that are rightly upset at people taking risks because those people that do take risks could then get sick. And if they're irresponsible enough to take a risk and get sick, they might be irresponsible enough to go out and mingle with people when they know they're sick.

Joe Rogan 29:06 But then-

Donnell Rawlings 29:06 Some people are like that. Some people are selfish. You know that, right?

Joe Rogan 29:10 I know that.

Donnell Rawlings 29:11 Yeah. So that's what-

Joe Rogan 29:11 Then you have to be-

Donnell Rawlings 29:12 And then they could even give it out when they don't know they have it.

Joe Rogan 29:15 But you-

Donnell Rawlings 29:15 They could be asymptomatic.

Joe Rogan 29:17 But then ... At some point, don't you have to be selective about the people that you engage with?

Donnell Rawlings 29:26 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:26 Don't you have to be selective on the chances ... This is my frustration. I'm not a mask or non-masker. Like, people make the argument, "But what if I'm in the f- what if I go to the grocery store, and I have my mask on, and there's this old lady that doesn't have her mask on?" Then I don't think you should go places where it could be people that don't have their masks on.

Donnell Rawlings 29:46 Just-

Joe Rogan 29:46 Shouldn't you order online or something?

Donnell Rawlings 29:48 Just don't get in that lady's face, and you're gonna be fine. It's, it's-

Joe Rogan 29:51 Man.

Donnell Rawlings 29:52 I don't think you should tell some old lady that she has to put a mask on. I ran into an old lady at the grocery store, she didn't have a mask on.

Joe Rogan 29:57 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 29:58 I was like, "All right." What, what are you gonna do? She's old, man. I mean, this lady, she probably feels terrible breathing through the mask.

Joe Rogan 30:05 Anyway.

Donnell Rawlings 30:05 She probably feels like she doesn't have much time.

Joe Rogan 30:06 She about to have a asthma attack.

Donnell Rawlings 30:07 She had one on, but she was doing this shit. The chin check.

Joe Rogan 30:10 I got into an argument o- yo.

Donnell Rawlings 30:12 That chin check that people were doing?

Joe Rogan 30:14 They get yelled, you get, they get, I get yelled at. I went to a grocery store. I'm getting a couple of items, and I had my motherfucking mask. And yo, when I tell you...... the tip of my nose was showing. The tip, right here.

Donnell Rawlings 30:24 And people got mad?

Joe Rogan 30:25 And this lady's behind plexiglass. She had sanitizer. She was squirting the register down every minute. She had a mask, everything. And my shit went right to the tip of my nose. She was like, "Sir, sir, sir, sir. You gotta put your mask on. You gotta put your mask on." I'm like, "Oh, I'm sorry. Okay." Now I gotta pay, I do Apple Pay. But to get into my phone-

Donnell Rawlings 30:43 You gotta open up the phone.

Joe Rogan 30:44 ... with my face.

Donnell Rawlings 30:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:45 So I put it down. "Sir, I'm sorry!" I'm like, "I'm trying to pay. I gotta log in with my face." She was like, "Well, you can't do that in here." Right?

Donnell Rawlings 30:54 You can't use Apple Pay?

Joe Rogan 30:55 I can't show my face to open my phone up to get-

Donnell Rawlings 30:57 You gotta use Samsung Pay. They let you use your fingerprint. Time to switch to Android.

Joe Rogan 31:01 I don't have an Android.

Donnell Rawlings 31:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:03 I don't have a... That's very evil for you to ent-

Donnell Rawlings 31:07 I have an Android.

Joe Rogan 31:07 ... to another... I know, but I wasn't talking about your fucking phone, Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 31:10 Why is it evil?

Joe Rogan 31:12 Because it was the wrong time.

Donnell Rawlings 31:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:17 It was the fucking wrong time.

Donnell Rawlings 31:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:20 And the thing I was making... So I had to-

Donnell Rawlings 31:22 How'd you guys... You were dating.

Joe Rogan 31:23 This is a... Sorry. This is what I had to do, Joe. I had to actually stand, leave the register, go to where I could do, outside-

Donnell Rawlings 31:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:34 ... show my face, open my phone up and I went to pay. And then when that happened, I could've been pissed but I could've been like, "You know what? I'm just never gonna go in that store again."

Donnell Rawlings 31:45 Well, it's just a lady working there. Just put the mask over your nose.

Joe Rogan 31:49 I'm not gonna put myself in a situation where I can get frustrated. I didn't.

Donnell Rawlings 31:51 I understand.

Joe Rogan 31:51 It was just for a s- w- does there any e-

Donnell Rawlings 31:54 Just for Apple Pay. But you were already arguing with her, right? Is that part of the problem?

Joe Rogan 32:00 I never said I was arguing, so-

Donnell Rawlings 32:01 She was already telling you put your mask over your nose, so she was in a heightened state of...

Joe Rogan 32:07 Awareness?

Donnell Rawlings 32:07 ... of frustration-

Joe Rogan 32:08 Yeah, but she also-

Donnell Rawlings 32:10 ... with you.

Joe Rogan 32:10 I don't know if it was me. But you, you know what? It was me. I didn't see that energy around anybody else. Perfect time to use the Black card. I'm not gonna do it.

Donnell Rawlings 32:17 (laughs) It's the, it's the nose card.

Joe Rogan 32:20 No, it's a, a-

Donnell Rawlings 32:21 She saw your nose and she's... Some people are just like real sticklers for shit. You know Bridget Phetasy?

Joe Rogan 32:26 No, who's that?

Donnell Rawlings 32:27 Comic from LA, writer. She told me she was walking on one side of the street and there was a guy across the street on the sidewalk on the other side yell at her, "Put a mask on!"

Joe Rogan 32:37 Let me tell you something. This argument, I know it's for safety and everything. I know it's for safety, and what the lives we share and all that, but for some people it's a perfect opportunity to be an asshole.

Donnell Rawlings 32:47 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 32:47 It's like... And that's the, like the fine line is like do you really care about this mask or you get to either... It's discrimination against masked people and no, no mask people.

Donnell Rawlings 32:58 It's just people have an opportunity to tell people what to do. They get mad.

Joe Rogan 33:01 They do.

Donnell Rawlings 33:01 Yeah, they love it.

Joe Rogan 33:02 But then you won't adhere to it, then they get mad because you're not listening to the rules. Fuck it.

Donnell Rawlings 33:05 Right. Well, that's why p- people are particularly upset at this Gavin Newsom shit-

Joe Rogan 33:09 Because he's-

Donnell Rawlings 33:09 ... because he's been the one telling us, "You can't have large gatherings for Thanksgiving. Stay home. Social distance. Wear a mask in between bites of food."

Joe Rogan 33:17 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 33:17 (laughs) This guy's been saying all this shit.

Joe Rogan 33:19 And then he's doing something different.

Donnell Rawlings 33:19 And now you go see him eating at a restaurant.

Joe Rogan 33:22 So does that mean that we believe everything's about... You got... So that's a perfect example of you know a lot of things are, uh, motivated through politics and looks. You know what I'm saying? Everything that you see not what... It's not really what you think it is, so how much, uh, how much are you gonna put into a person? Like what their thoughts are.

Donnell Rawlings 33:41 A politician?

Joe Rogan 33:41 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 33:43 Not much. Y- What kind of person wants to do that? That's the problem. What kind of person wants to be a governor? It's, they're not normal. And you, you didn't care until the pandemic. When the pandemic rolled around, you realized, "Oh, the mayor matters. It really matters who your mayor is."

Joe Rogan 33:57 You know what I think a lot of them like, like have dreams of a certain amount of fame and wanna be superstars.

Donnell Rawlings 34:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:05 'Cause even though you say you do it for the people, you have to be likable f- or have some type of personality to connect-

Donnell Rawlings 34:10 Sure.

Joe Rogan 34:10 ... with those people.

Donnell Rawlings 34:11 And you're cultivating-

Joe Rogan 34:12 You know?

Donnell Rawlings 34:13 ... your act. They have an act too.

Joe Rogan 34:14 100%.

Donnell Rawlings 34:15 They have an act that's different than our act. Our act is to make people laugh, their act is to get people to think that they're the person who's got the solution. "There's our leader. There's our leader."

Joe Rogan 34:22 So their act is to, is to lie?

Donnell Rawlings 34:24 Yes. 100%.

Joe Rogan 34:26 Man, Dave... You know what, Joe? We're going through, going through all of this shit and even with this last election, whoever you decided you liked, appreciated, whatever, it was just a weird thing going on. It was a weird thing going on. And I was watching one of David Goggins posts and I have to say, David Goggins, I've never seen nobody have worse feet than my feet.

Donnell Rawlings 34:46 Oh, his feet are broken down, but he runs-

Joe Rogan 34:49 But his is-

Donnell Rawlings 34:49 He just got done running 240 miles.

Joe Rogan 34:51 I know you was gonna defend that and I was gonna say-

Donnell Rawlings 34:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:53 ... the same thing, Joe. I know you were gonna say, "But what has he done with tr- his feet and what have you done with..."

Donnell Rawlings 34:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:57 So it... I know you were gonna be like, "You know how many mountains?" Those are fucking rock blisters.

Donnell Rawlings 35:04 Yeah, legitimate.

Joe Rogan 35:05 I knew you was gonna say that and that's the point I was gonna make and that's the point I was gonna make. He said, "Everybody is a-"

Donnell Rawlings 35:11 There they are.

Joe Rogan 35:11 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 35:12 Jesus Christ, look at those big toes.

Joe Rogan 35:14 Yeah, those look like cra- like they've been through it.

Donnell Rawlings 35:16 That is hilarious. Those, that thing on the left, you showed me that, if you cut out like the, the-

Joe Rogan 35:22 Ouch!

Donnell Rawlings 35:22 ... the right foot's big toe-

Joe Rogan 35:24 Damn, son!

Donnell Rawlings 35:24 ... that right foot's big toe, if you showed me a photo of that and didn't show me the rest of his foot, I'd be like, "Uh, that's like a snail or something."

Joe Rogan 35:31 People would say-

Donnell Rawlings 35:31 It's from another planet.

Joe Rogan 35:31 If you did that, people would say, "That was my foot."

Donnell Rawlings 35:33 That's a Mars, a Mars rock.

Joe Rogan 35:36 But like you said-

Donnell Rawlings 35:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:37 But like-

Donnell Rawlings 35:37 Give me... Just zoom, zoom in on just the toe. Don't show me anything but his right toe. That's a rock from Mars.

Joe Rogan 35:44 That's, that's-

Donnell Rawlings 35:45 That's not real.

Joe Rogan 35:46 But that's fucking a lot of miles, Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 35:49 That's a brain of steel. That man has a brain of steel.

Joe Rogan 35:53 That's a lot.

Donnell Rawlings 35:54 He, he knows how to force himself to do shit that hurts.

Joe Rogan 35:57 Yeah. This what he was saying. He said... And then whatever it is, he... One thing about him, he always has to remind you that he was a fat piece of shit.

Donnell Rawlings 36:05 Yep.

Joe Rogan 36:06 It doesn't like-

Donnell Rawlings 36:07 Yep.

Joe Rogan 36:07 That's gotta be... Fat must be the number one motivating thing for him.

Donnell Rawlings 36:12 Look at that toe.

Joe Rogan 36:13 God damn, son.

Donnell Rawlings 36:14 So if you s- you didn't see the rest of it, you'd be like, "What is that? Oh, that's a rock somewhere. That's on an, another planet. It's a satellite."

Joe Rogan 36:21 Ow!... photo. (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 36:23 (laughs) That's a satellite photo.

Joe Rogan 36:24 See white people, y'all gross as shit, son. You wanna see blood and puss come outta that motherfucker. I know your thing, like, "Jamie, go closer." But the point he made, son, he said, he said, "Everybody... I- I used to be a fat piece of shit." Right? Yeah, he was 300 pounds. "Yeah, I was 300 when I was a piece of shit. Everybody's looking for... I need to answer with this person, I need to answer with that person." Well, fuck it, why don't you be the answer for yourself? Yeah. That's- that's... I know people are like, "Well, that's easy to say." But why not find the answers you need in life through yourself?

Donnell Rawlings 36:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:58 And through what you do, your hard work, and the per- and the- and the type of person and type of human and type of father you are.

Donnell Rawlings 37:05 That's why people like him are so important, because he'll tell you-

Joe Rogan 37:07 Like what? Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 37:08 People like him are so important because he'll tell you, he used to have no discipline.

Joe Rogan 37:12 Right. I gotta say this-

Donnell Rawlings 37:14 So, like, look at him now. This is not something he was born with, but go ahead. Go ahead.

Joe Rogan 37:16 Real quick, I gotta inter- interrupt. It's so funny you say discipline, 'cause I was having coffee with Dave today. And then he said that about you, 'cause I was talking about, uh, I can't drink no shit with my antibiotics when I got shot and everything. And then some kind of way we talked about you, and then- and- and that's when he said, he said, "I fucking love and respect his discipline."

Donnell Rawlings 37:34 I do have some of that.

Joe Rogan 37:36 Yeah, you got-

Donnell Rawlings 37:36 But I'm lazy, too, man. I force myself in all this stuff that I do.

Joe Rogan 37:39 Yeah, but you get challenged about something though-

Donnell Rawlings 37:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:41 ... something kicks you in the ass.

Donnell Rawlings 37:42 Yeah. Well, I don't- I don't like following... I don't like not doing what I'm supposed to do, so I force myself to do what I'm supposed to do. But it's never easy. It's not easy, you know. It's like I- I always would think of disciplined people as being, like, uh, there was no wavering. They just got up and did it. But, you know, that's the other thing Goggins tells you, he goes, "Sometimes I'll stare at my shoes for 30 motherfucking minutes before I put them bitches on." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:08 Yeah, 'cause you wanna get rid of... look at them ugly ass feet, son.

Donnell Rawlings 38:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:12 God damn, son. God damn. Hey, son, I noticed, uh-

Donnell Rawlings 38:14 That's not what he's talking about, though. He's talking about discipline.

Joe Rogan 38:17 I noticed the worst time, Joe-

Donnell Rawlings 38:18 What?

Joe Rogan 38:18 I noticed the worst time, Joe, I- to the pivot, I just- I opened up my own store, right? And after that I just saw David Gogga's feet. You gotta help me get that. Look at that shit, son.

Donnell Rawlings 38:25 Well, I know, we- we sold candles the last time you were down here.

Joe Rogan 38:26 No, son, you don't know about that right there.

Donnell Rawlings 38:28 Fighting ashiness. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:29 Yo, son, that is... Joe, put a little on your hand.

Donnell Rawlings 38:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:32 Please put a little on your hand.

Donnell Rawlings 38:33 It smells good. It smells good.

Joe Rogan 38:34 That shit is vegan, it's all natural.

Donnell Rawlings 38:36 Mm.

Joe Rogan 38:36 It's fire, son.

Donnell Rawlings 38:38 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:38 That's because you... Watch what I say, son.

Donnell Rawlings 38:40 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:41 Watch what I say.

Donnell Rawlings 38:42 Nice.

Joe Rogan 38:43 Watch how long that shit lasts, Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 38:45 Okay. It feels good.

Joe Rogan 38:48 I know it sounds weird. Look at that shit, son.

Donnell Rawlings 38:49 It smells good.

Joe Rogan 38:50 It's 'cause this shit, son.

Donnell Rawlings 38:51 What's in there? What's in there?

Joe Rogan 38:52 Raw edge. The ingredients are all on the back. I know you don't got your glass, you don't have to read it, but it's, like, type of oils and coconuts I never heard of in my life.

Donnell Rawlings 38:59 It smells like coconut.

Joe Rogan 39:00 Coconut, uh, goo-goo, all the black nuts and oils.

Donnell Rawlings 39:03 Oh, it's got CBD.

Joe Rogan 39:03 CBD, son. You feel me?

Donnell Rawlings 39:04 I don't know what this stuff is.

Joe Rogan 39:06 When I-

Donnell Rawlings 39:07 Mongongo oil? What is that?

Joe Rogan 39:08 Yeah, Google it. Google it. Google it.

Donnell Rawlings 39:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:10 Google it.

Donnell Rawlings 39:10 And mad rich plant butters. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:12 Good. Mad... Yo, you laughing, son. You're laughing, but that shit is fire, son.

Donnell Rawlings 39:19 It's good. I- I'm just laughing at the advertisement.

Joe Rogan 39:20 Erykah Badu put that shit on, right?

Donnell Rawlings 39:22 I love it.

Joe Rogan 39:22 Erykah Badu put that shit on. No, that's you, son.

Donnell Rawlings 39:24 Oh, thank you.

Joe Rogan 39:25 Listen, every... Erykah Badu put that on, son, and she started rubbing the stuff real, real slow. She hadn't been out in a pa- pandemic in a while, and she was like, "Mm." She was like, "Is it edible?"

Donnell Rawlings 39:36 Wow.

Joe Rogan 39:36 She wanted to know.

Donnell Rawlings 39:37 How high was she? Was she really high? Hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:40 Are you disrespecting my product or are you disrespecting her narcissism?

Donnell Rawlings 39:41 No, but if I was thinking about taking cream and eating it, I'd- I'd probably have to be pretty high.

Joe Rogan 39:46 Um, certain people react to things differently, Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 39:49 It does smell like food though.

Joe Rogan 39:50 But-

Donnell Rawlings 39:50 It smells like a delicious pina colada.

Joe Rogan 39:51 But wait to... but wait to... it's like f- it's like food-

Donnell Rawlings 39:54 There it is.

Joe Rogan 39:54 It's like food for your- your bo- your body is eating right now, Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 39:59 Mm-hmm. And 100- 100, uh, milligrams of CBD.

Joe Rogan 40:02 Yep. Look at that, mongongo oil. There it is right there.

Donnell Rawlings 40:05 There it is.

Joe Rogan 40:05 CBD and hemp seed oil.

Donnell Rawlings 40:07 It's a nut.

Joe Rogan 40:07 Cocoa butter. We got all the nuts.

Donnell Rawlings 40:08 Hmm. Look at this. When did you start this business? How long ago?

Joe Rogan 40:10 I started it... I've been working on the formula for two years, son.

Donnell Rawlings 40:13 Scroll down. Look at that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:15 I know, that's my best feature yet.

Donnell Rawlings 40:16 Why does it say 2Classy?

Joe Rogan 40:18 'Cause that's the feeling.

Donnell Rawlings 40:19 It goes from ashy to classy. All right, I get it.

Joe Rogan 40:21 That's the feeling. That's the feeling you have.

Donnell Rawlings 40:22 Okay. Look at that. I like the sparkle. Sparkle in your teeth. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:24 The thing about it, Joe, I've been ashy my life- whole life, right? You know that, everybody know that.

Donnell Rawlings 40:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 40:29 And for years people are like, "You should do lotion, you should do lotion." I'm like, man, it's- it's kind of corny. I mean, it could be... the novelty could be funny. "Yo, Ashy Larry got his own lotion." And I was like, "Fuck that shit." Then I met with this young lady, and she's, like, a chemist when it comes to this lotion shit, and we started working on it. And then when I- when I finally tried what was the end product, I was like, "This shit really work." Like, it really works and it's good.

Donnell Rawlings 40:55 It sounds like it's good for your muscles too if it's got CBD in it.

Joe Rogan 40:57 It's good for everything. What... Your hands are gonna thank me later, son.

Donnell Rawlings 41:00 I believe it.

Joe Rogan 41:01 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 41:01 What is the name of the website, Jam-

Joe Rogan 41:02 Donnell Rawlings, that's where you can get it.

Donnell Rawlings 41:04 It's on your website. Oh, it's on your website?

Joe Rogan 41:04 Donnell Rawlings. I opened up a store, son.

Donnell Rawlings 41:06 Oh, I like it. I like it. Look at you. Entrepreneurial.

Joe Rogan 41:09 I di- I never... This is one thing that came out of this, not just for me, Joe, for a lot of people. Think about this. A person that makes their money on the road, a road- a real road comic. This happened to me. 95% of the money that I make is on the road. 95% of the shows I had are done. So only thing I have from what I usually make is that 5%, and that ain't enough for shit.

Donnell Rawlings 41:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:36 And even though you could have some money stacked up or whatever, you still gotta- you gotta ask yourself, "What the fuck is gonna be the pivot?"

Donnell Rawlings 41:42 I don't think the pivot's gonna come for a long time either, in terms of us being able to get back to work like we were.

Joe Rogan 41:46 No. No, no, we about to go back to work next summer.

Donnell Rawlings 41:49 Next summer you think?

Joe Rogan 41:50 Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 41:51 Donnell.

Joe Rogan 41:53 Well, I'm not trying to say I don't believe in corona right now, but we are on the track of not just deadening shit, but being able to have it under control. We're about to get to the point where people are gonna, uh, have more sense of security. You know what I'm saying? Just think about- think about the progress we made in a year from when this shit first happened, you take a corona test, you had to wait like seven days.

Donnell Rawlings 42:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:17 Think about it when we first... when it first hit. We had to, like, "Oh my God," it was so scary, it was so scary.... and then all these ventilators, ventilators, ventilators. But if you know now, since when the pandemic started, yeah, we're still losing people, but you don't hear that ventilator talk too much no more.

Donnell Rawlings 42:29 Well, ventilators are actually a bad idea now, they realized.

Joe Rogan 42:31 My point-

Donnell Rawlings 42:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:32 ... you know what I'm saying? Like-

Donnell Rawlings 42:33 They figured out a lot of things.

Joe Rogan 42:33 ... they're finding, this is what-

Donnell Rawlings 42:35 I, I did a whole podcast yesterday on COVID-

Joe Rogan 42:37 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 42:37 ... with, uh, Nicholas Christakis-

Joe Rogan 42:38 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 42:38 ... from Yale.

Joe Rogan 42:39 He a COVID nigga?

Donnell Rawlings 42:40 He believes that-

Joe Rogan 42:41 In COVID?

Donnell Rawlings 42:42 ... COVID is a real problem. Yeah, for sure. That was-

Joe Rogan 42:44 You don't? I believe it, but I think-

Donnell Rawlings 42:45 I believe it-

Joe Rogan 42:45 ... it's controlled. Controllable.

Donnell Rawlings 42:47 It is controllable, um, and I think there's a, it's a multifaceted problem, and I think we're only handling one aspect of it, which is keep people from working, keep people home, keep people away from people.

Joe Rogan 42:58 No, you can't do that.

Donnell Rawlings 42:59 You're treating people like they're children.

Joe Rogan 43:00 You got... This is what you gotta do, Joe-

Donnell Rawlings 43:02 You gotta let them go outside.

Joe Rogan 43:03 This is what you gotta do. We're gonna have more creative ways to make money. Like-

Donnell Rawlings 43:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:07 ... think about the comedy scene. When we thought, like, the only place to tell s- jokes was on the stage. And I was, I had some resentment toward some of those outdoor events, the parking lot shit.

Donnell Rawlings 43:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:18 First time I saw one of those parking lot shows with horns, I was like, "Never give a heckler an instrument to fuck your show up." (laughs)

Donnell Rawlings 43:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:26 I'm like, "There's no way I'm gonna... These motherfuckers don't like me. There's no way I'm gonna be..." (imitates air horn)

Donnell Rawlings 43:31 Yeah, but people are happy to be out, man. It's a different experience.

Joe Rogan 43:34 That's... And the, the point I always make is like, you, you, you could suppress people. You can cull 'em down for a certain amount of time, per- period of time. But after a while, you're gonna have to figure something else.

Donnell Rawlings 43:45 My point I was gonna make is-

Joe Rogan 43:46 They're gonna figure something out.

Donnell Rawlings 43:46 ... they're only looking at one side of it. They're not looking at telling people how to be healthy. There's no talk about that.

Joe Rogan 43:51 Nigga!

Donnell Rawlings 43:52 Yes.

Joe Rogan 43:53 Nigga.

Donnell Rawlings 43:53 That's what's up, right?

Joe Rogan 43:54 Son, you a strong motherfucker. All y'all niggas is strong. Jamie might be the least strong outta everybody.

Donnell Rawlings 44:01 Whoa. Excuse me?

Joe Rogan 44:01 No, I'm just saying, like, Jamie, I know-

Donnell Rawlings 44:02 Stop with the dings. Shut your phone's ding off, man. Whoa.

Joe Rogan 44:05 Jamie, I'm not saying you not strong, son.

Donnell Rawlings 44:07 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 44:07 I'm not saying-

Donnell Rawlings 44:08 I thought you just said that. Yeah, but you're comparing him to, like, Tony Hinchcliffe.

Joe Rogan 44:11 But I didn't mean it like you're not s- I'm just saying-

Donnell Rawlings 44:12 Yeah. Or G- or, uh, yeah. Go ahead.

Joe Rogan 44:13 Oh, yeah. I did forget about... Yeah, you, oh, you, you was-

Donnell Rawlings 44:15 Listen, he's got a, a deadly three-pointer.

Joe Rogan 44:17 Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. T- Tony Hinchcliffe?

Donnell Rawlings 44:18 He's got a deadly three-pointer, and he runs. Like, Jamie's in shape. I do pull-ups.

Joe Rogan 44:21 That's Black shape.

Donnell Rawlings 44:22 He does pull-ups.

Joe Rogan 44:23 That's Black people shape.

Donnell Rawlings 44:24 He's in... He does pull-ups.

Joe Rogan 44:25 That's Black people shape. Run, play basketball-

Donnell Rawlings 44:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:27 ... and pull-ups and pushups.

Donnell Rawlings 44:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:29 You do, like, the jail workouts, son.

Donnell Rawlings 44:30 Jamie's actually in good shape.

Joe Rogan 44:31 I know. I believe... I'm sorry, Jamie. I didn't mean to offend you, man.

Donnell Rawlings 44:34 It's all right. It's all right. I get it. He's back there. He doesn't talk a lot.

Joe Rogan 44:36 Goddamn. I know. Then when he talk-

Donnell Rawlings 44:37 It's okay.

Joe Rogan 44:37 Then when he finally talks-

Donnell Rawlings 44:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:38 ... it's like, "Yo." When he finally talks, it's like-

Donnell Rawlings 44:41 Jamie, show him some, someone show him that video of you dunking th- uh, shooting three-pointers. I can't. Definitely can't do it.

Joe Rogan 44:45 I never said he couldn't play basketball, son.

Donnell Rawlings 44:47 (laughs) You can't dunk. Br- dude, it's impressive. Like Rain Man shit.

Joe Rogan 44:50 You can dunk-dunk, son?

Donnell Rawlings 44:50 No, no, no. No, he can't dunk. We're working on that. Sh- he's hitting three-pointer after three-pointer like Rain Man. There's something weird about him. Well, I don't- Like, he's got, like, he, there might, he might have a wire crossed in his brain. Uh-

Joe Rogan 45:01 I didn't know you was nice. What I'm saying is, to go back to your point, Joe, is everybody's talking about the end of corona. Like, Don Lemon, man. Don Lemon, man. Don Lemon. Son, four years, son. For four years straight, he complained. He was mad at Donald Trump for four fucking years.

Donnell Rawlings 45:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:22 Four years. And f- I was like, "Man, if Donald Trump wins this election, Don Lemon is gonna jump off the CNN building."

Donnell Rawlings 45:29 Do you remember all their faces when he won last time? When he won in 2016, they were all so depressed.

Joe Rogan 45:35 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 45:35 Jake Tapper and all those people on TV, just like, "Motherfucker, I can't believe this."

Joe Rogan 45:39 Yeah. But the, here's the thing, Joe. I'm like... (sighs)

Donnell Rawlings 45:43 I don't think you're supposed to do that if you're doing the news.

Joe Rogan 45:46 Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 45:46 If you're doing commentary, you can do that.

Joe Rogan 45:47 Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 45:48 I think if you're doing the news, you're supposed to say the news.

Joe Rogan 45:50 Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 45:50 Let us figure it out.

Joe Rogan 45:51 Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 45:52 Donnell.

Joe Rogan 45:52 Joe. That's why I do subscribe to the notion that fake news. Like, to be honest, it's all fake. It's... All of them are fake.

Donnell Rawlings 46:02 It's a lot of fake.

Joe Rogan 46:03 It's... All fake. And this what I did, what I keep on telling people is like, how... I know you're upset, but when you're, like, you, you're... (sighs) It's all personal. Like, everything hits you to the heart. Like-

Donnell Rawlings 46:17 Well, that's where it gets weird. Those two guys, Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon, both of them, they do this editorializing and this like, the, the, it's-

Joe Rogan 46:26 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 46:26 It's, it's almost like they're doing a podcast.

Joe Rogan 46:27 And their opinion is all in it.

Donnell Rawlings 46:29 And their opinion's in it, but it's also scripted.

Joe Rogan 46:30 It's on the other side too. It's-

Donnell Rawlings 46:32 But it's scripted.

Joe Rogan 46:33 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 46:33 And they're doing it on a news channel. There's a lot going on there.

Joe Rogan 46:37 But that's why if you don't... Here's another thing about the media. If you didn't understand, whatever party you agree with, whatever, that... If you don't understand how easy it is to manipulate the media, Joe, it is so, so simple-

Donnell Rawlings 46:53 To manipulate the media?

Joe Rogan 46:55 To m- min- manipulate the media and the people who listen to it.

Donnell Rawlings 46:57 Well, you can manipulate-

Joe Rogan 46:57 That's what it's excessive.

Donnell Rawlings 46:58 ... people. What, what do you mean by manipulate the media?

Joe Rogan 47:01 M- like, you could create stories.

Donnell Rawlings 47:04 Okay.

Joe Rogan 47:04 You could create stories.

Donnell Rawlings 47:05 Yes.

Joe Rogan 47:05 You could make things happen.

Donnell Rawlings 47:08 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 47:08 I got shot, nigga.

Donnell Rawlings 47:10 Yes, I see.

Joe Rogan 47:10 I got shot in my motherfucking thumb.

Donnell Rawlings 47:12 That's what I heard.

Joe Rogan 47:13 And a lot of people don't believe me.

Donnell Rawlings 47:15 Well, I believe you.

Joe Rogan 47:16 I don't believe that you believe me, Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 47:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:19 That's what I believe, motherfucker.

Donnell Rawlings 47:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:21 That's not convincing.

Donnell Rawlings 47:22 I believe you.

Joe Rogan 47:22 But the point I'm making is, like, when I got, when I first got shot, Joe, I posted on Instagram. I didn't wanna post on Instagram 'cause I know that I didn't want to get no war in the streets going on. People, like, going out looking for the person that shot me in my thumb. So I kept it to myself. I didn't really bring it to be, people's attention. I posted one picture of me being in the hospital. Everybody's like, "You okay? You okay?" They don't know how, what I got shot for, but they're just, they instantly got connected to that story.

Donnell Rawlings 47:49 Did you ever think of not posting it?

Joe Rogan 47:54 I did.

Donnell Rawlings 47:56 What made you decide to post it? The world needs to know?

Joe Rogan 48:00 The world needed to know-

Donnell Rawlings 48:00 A little bit?

Joe Rogan 48:01 ... some gigs I had to postpone when I was-

Donnell Rawlings 48:02 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 48:03 ... l- locked, shot up. Not locked up. When I... You know what I'm saying?

Donnell Rawlings 48:06 I get it.

Joe Rogan 48:06 It's like-

Donnell Rawlings 48:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:07 I wasn't ready to share it to the world then. I didn't know how my friends was gonna take it.

Donnell Rawlings 48:11 Okay.

Joe Rogan 48:11 Then I wanted to be transparent and be honest and let them know, "I got shot." That's what I did. You know?

Donnell Rawlings 48:17 I see.

Joe Rogan 48:18 You feel like... You still don't believe me.

Donnell Rawlings 48:20 I do believe you. I think you're just looking for a very specific reaction from me...

Joe Rogan 48:24 ... I gave that up a long time ago, bro.

Donnell Rawlings 48:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:27 I gave it up. I was like, "Whatever." That was what made me nervous the first time I came up here.

Donnell Rawlings 48:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:30 Like, "What the fuck do I say?" Say what you say, nigger. Don't try to-

Donnell Rawlings 48:34 Damn.

Joe Rogan 48:34 All right, I'm here.

Donnell Rawlings 48:36 You are here.

Joe Rogan 48:37 But-

Donnell Rawlings 48:38 Are you thinking about bailing out of LA yet?

Joe Rogan 48:41 Um, I think so.

Donnell Rawlings 48:43 Yeah. A lot of people are.

Joe Rogan 48:44 The reason that we've started feeling, um... When we don't... Well, you don't really need Hollywood like that, you know.

Donnell Rawlings 48:57 I don't think anybody needs it anymore.

Joe Rogan 48:58 Some people thought they did. You're right. Some people thought they did.

Donnell Rawlings 49:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:01 They thought it was like you had to be here every night.

Donnell Rawlings 49:03 I thought I needed to be there for a long time.

Joe Rogan 49:05 And then once what happened, this situation, then you realize, "Oh, what can I do?" You're like, "Wait a minute. I really can make my own community."

Donnell Rawlings 49:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 49:15 I can make my own community.

Donnell Rawlings 49:16 Not only that, you get connected to all the other communities. Like, in all the other podcasts. We all help each other. We're all together.

Joe Rogan 49:23 I will say one- one thing white people do when it comes to podcasts, they support each other.

Donnell Rawlings 49:29 Yeah. We support each other. But you know what, man? That's a new thing, because in radio it was the opposite.

Joe Rogan 49:33 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 49:33 When they had radio, they'd attack each other. Like, I remember Opie and Anthony was always at war with Howard Stern. And, you know, Jay Leno was always at war with, uh, all the other late night talk show hosts. And...

Joe Rogan 49:43 But did you think-

Donnell Rawlings 49:43 And the Dave Letterman had an issue.

Joe Rogan 49:43 ... that made people engaged? Do you think that made people-

Donnell Rawlings 49:45 No.

Joe Rogan 49:45 ... engaged with their platforms more?

Donnell Rawlings 49:46 No, no, no. They were just-

Joe Rogan 49:48 No?

Donnell Rawlings 49:48 They were just scared, because they only had a sl-... Like, back in the day when you were on television or the radio, you had a very specific time slot. You had 6:00 AM-

Joe Rogan 49:56 Day parts.

Donnell Rawlings 49:57 ... to 10:00 AM, right?

Joe Rogan 49:58 Day parts.

Donnell Rawlings 49:58 And other people are also on at 6:00 AM to 10:00 AM, and no one's recording anything. So you have to listen to it live.

Joe Rogan 50:04 I was a part of that.

Donnell Rawlings 50:05 That's the thing with television.

Joe Rogan 50:05 I was a part of that. I don't know if you... I was a part of when Hot 97 was the biggest, and urban radio in New York was the biggest. And then I, I was, I was doing radio when Power 105 came and became a competitor. They had no competition at first. You know, it was just them.

Donnell Rawlings 50:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:22 Then they got challenged, and that what, that's what made for interesting, interesting shit between both of them, is like, yeah, we talk shit about 97.1, 97.5, then 105. Then you start listening to both of them to see what shit they're talking.

Donnell Rawlings 50:36 You could do that if you're them, or you could listen, and if you like it, tell people it's good. That's what podcasters do. Like, if I'm listening to your show, I'll tell people, "Donnell Rawlings' show is hilarious." Or, "Listen to this guy," or, "Listen to her," or, "Listen to..." What... I'll tell people, p- people I don't even fucking know, man.

Joe Rogan 50:53 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 50:53 I tell people about podcasts that I listen to from NPR or, uh, fucking RadioLab, what... I always tell people, 'cause I'm interested in cool shit. I want to know about cool shit. And if I find cool shit, I want to tell other people about cool shit. I'm not worried.

Joe Rogan 51:07 People don't think that's cool though.

Donnell Rawlings 51:08 But they, they're worried about if they talk about something else-

Joe Rogan 51:11 It's gonna blow.

Donnell Rawlings 51:11 ... it's gonna take opinions, it's gonna take attention away from them. That's what's called famine thinking. You can never think that-

Joe Rogan 51:17 Famine?

Donnell Rawlings 51:18 Famine.

Joe Rogan 51:18 Famine.

Donnell Rawlings 51:19 Famine. Feast or famine.

Joe Rogan 51:20 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 51:20 I'm a feast thinker.

Joe Rogan 51:21 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 51:21 I always think there's enough for everybody.

Joe Rogan 51:22 I do too.

Donnell Rawlings 51:22 Everybody come aboard. I want everybody to be happy. I want everybody to make money. I want everybody to be famous. I want everybody to be happy. I want them to be fulfilled. I don't want to be the man. Uh, that, that idea of being the man is, to me, is ridiculous. I think-

Joe Rogan 51:36 That's your idea, but on the outside, when you do stuff like that, for some people, in their perception of you, that's what makes you the man. That's what makes you ... if you able to inspire and motivate, that's what makes you the man that, you know, you say you're not.

Donnell Rawlings 51:48 Well, I'm happy... If that's the case, that people think that way, but I just-

Joe Rogan 51:52 They know it.

Donnell Rawlings 51:52 ... I'm in a position to be generous, so I'm generous.

Joe Rogan 51:54 They know it.

Donnell Rawlings 51:55 I like to be generous.

Joe Rogan 51:55 They even hold it against you too.

Donnell Rawlings 51:56 It feels good to be generous.

Joe Rogan 51:58 They hold it against you.

Donnell Rawlings 51:59 Who holds it against me?

Joe Rogan 52:00 People that don't like me.

Donnell Rawlings 52:01 They hold it against you that I have, that I have you on?

Joe Rogan 52:04 No. People that don't like me, they'll say-

Donnell Rawlings 52:05 They hold it against me-

Joe Rogan 52:06 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 52:06 ... because of you?

Joe Rogan 52:07 They, like, you-

Donnell Rawlings 52:08 Oh, because, like, there is a podcast?

Joe Rogan 52:13 Jamie?

Donnell Rawlings 52:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:15 Jamie, is that... What are you talking about? No.

Donnell Rawlings 52:18 (laughs) What are you talking about?

Joe Rogan 52:19 They... No, they'll tell me-

Donnell Rawlings 52:20 People who don't like you don't know you.

Joe Rogan 52:21 Yeah, but, like, some people, they told me they wasn't gonna like you anymore because you liked me.

Donnell Rawlings 52:27 Good luck. If that's how crazy you are-

Joe Rogan 52:29 They said you... They said they wasn't gonna like you because you-

Donnell Rawlings 52:31 But that's ridiculous. Anybody who thinks like that is out of their fucking mind.

Joe Rogan 52:34 They was like nor- ... They were saying shit like this, and I don't read the comments, Joe. They were saying shit like this.

Donnell Rawlings 52:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:39 They were saying shit like, "Well, Joe was right up to this point."

Donnell Rawlings 52:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:44 Yo, they were like, "You had a track record," like, yeah, I believed everything you said until he got loudmouth up there.

Donnell Rawlings 52:49 Here's the thing. I don't think anybody will ever understand the camaraderie that we all have.

Joe Rogan 52:53 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 52:54 That comics have.

Joe Rogan 52:55 Yep.

Donnell Rawlings 52:55 They'll... It's a different world.

Joe Rogan 52:56 But the podcast world is totally different.

Donnell Rawlings 52:57 Yes.

Joe Rogan 52:58 Y'all motherfuckers... Yo, y'all motherfuckers, it's just like... But, man, the podcast world is so fucking dope. And the podcast world was ready for the pandemic.

Donnell Rawlings 53:08 Yes.

Joe Rogan 53:08 The podcast people is like this, "What? Pandemic? I get to spend more time with my kids."

Donnell Rawlings 53:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:12 "I get to spend more time with my kids."

Donnell Rawlings 53:14 And you get to spend more time doing podcasts because everybody's free.

Joe Rogan 53:17 Yep.

Donnell Rawlings 53:18 Even if you have to do a stupid Zoom podcast, you're still spending more time doing podcasts.

Joe Rogan 53:22 Yeah, but it's like, you figure it out. Like, they knew it was gonna happen before it fucking happened. I came in right at... Well, I think I came in right at the right time.

Donnell Rawlings 53:31 I don't think they knew it was gonna happen before it happened, but I think they got lucky. They got lucky that there... Look, man. Back when I was a just for- dependent upon Hollywood and gigs, I'd be fucked right now. I'd, I'd have no income coming in, but I'm trying to figure out what to do.

Joe Rogan 53:45 But you saw the future too, son. You t-... I s- I said this to you before. Like, when you hear, like, Joe Rogan, you hear about this Spotify deal and you hear about all this type of shit, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you... What... You don't understand, like I said, "Joe, everybody wants to be you right now, but nobody wants to be you when people were saying no and equipment was breaking down and we didn't know if we was gonna do it." See, you know?

Donnell Rawlings 54:07 The thing is, I never... I didn't think about it that way. I didn't think like, "I know this is gonna blow up." I thought, "I like doing this. I'm gonna keep doing this."

Joe Rogan 54:14 So you just c- continued to have fun with it.

Donnell Rawlings 54:16 I just, I just do what I like.

Joe Rogan 54:17 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 54:18 ... all the shit that I do, if you think about it, I just do what I like, whether it's standup comedy or whether it's UFC commentary or whether it's doing a podcast, I do what I like. I do what I like. I don't think, "Oh, if I do this, it's gonna be huge." I just do what I like.

Joe Rogan 54:31 But that's the most empowering thing that is so hard. That's the most empowering thing that is so hard for people to feel comfortable enough to do it-

Donnell Rawlings 54:40 It's hard, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:40 ... is what they're like. Because to turn it in, turn it into money, this motherfucker says, "Fuck bitches," all the time. You know what I'm saying? They can't figure out a way to get a W-9 or anything for it, you know?

Donnell Rawlings 54:48 People get, they get nervous about the future too. You gotta, you gotta have enough confidence in yourself to take chances.

Joe Rogan 54:55 Do you think that there are a lot of pussies out here?

Donnell Rawlings 55:01 There's a lot of pussies out there, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:02 Is our country pussy?

Donnell Rawlings 55:04 Our country has a lot of pussy in it because it's too easy to get by and it's human nature to become soft when, when things are easy. And when you're in any sign of any kind of struggle whatsoever, that's when the real pussies emerge, because they can't handle-

Joe Rogan 55:19 They, w- w- wait.

Donnell Rawlings 55:19 ... any pressure.

Joe Rogan 55:20 They're m- or they go?

Donnell Rawlings 55:22 Well, you, they see them.

Joe Rogan 55:22 Or they leave?

Donnell Rawlings 55:23 You see how bad they are.

Joe Rogan 55:24 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 55:25 Because they fall apart.

Joe Rogan 55:26 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 55:26 Any adversity at all, anything but this is beyond that now, because this is-

Joe Rogan 55:31 It's not beyond that now, Joe. The reason why it's beyond that, this is the thing, th- this is a p- p- personally trait or just as a side of, not to say that, um, I'm a fan of Donald Trump or anything, but it was certain things that I could understand where the thought comes from. But how you articulate to people is all fucked up.

Donnell Rawlings 55:47 The way he articulates to people-

Joe Rogan 55:49 Th- th- thi- it's like certain people-

Donnell Rawlings 55:50 ... is terrible at it. He's terrible at it.

Joe Rogan 55:51 Certain people need filters.

Donnell Rawlings 55:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:52 Certain people need, like, Kanye West needs an interpreter.

Donnell Rawlings 55:55 You know what he needed? He needed a coach, 'cause someone coached him for that second Biden debate.

Joe Rogan 55:59 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 55:59 If you watch that second Biden debate-

Joe Rogan 56:01 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 56:01 ... he was calm and cool, let Biden work himself up and stammer and lie about shit. And he tre- he had still attacked him, but he attacked him in a different way. The first time he did it, he was obnoxious, he kept talking over him. He didn't let him talk.

Joe Rogan 56:14 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 56:14 It was ridiculous. Everybody wanted to shut his mic off. But then someone must have coached him for this, or he realized himself-

Joe Rogan 56:20 Man, I'm a tell you the difference-

Donnell Rawlings 56:21 ... to take a different approach.

Joe Rogan 56:22 I'm a tell you something, the difference. I'm a tell you something, the difference, whatever numbers you say, the loser of this election still won, breaking the record.

Donnell Rawlings 56:31 I know. Isn't that crazy?

Joe Rogan 56:32 S- second place still was f- second place would have been first place-

Donnell Rawlings 56:35 Any other time in history.

Joe Rogan 56:37 ... a- a- any other time-

Donnell Rawlings 56:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:37 ... in history, it would have shitted on everything.

Donnell Rawlings 56:38 That's nuts. That shows-

Joe Rogan 56:40 You know?

Donnell Rawlings 56:40 ... everybody realized it's important to find... When you, when you realize that a guy like Donald Trump can become president, you realize, oh my God, it's actually important to vote. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:47 Yo, bruh, th- th- you know, it has to... Until you see those numbers, yo, it was like... It was crazy. It was like, it's certain places separated by 5,000 votes.

Donnell Rawlings 57:00 I know.

Joe Rogan 57:00 10,000 votes.

Donnell Rawlings 57:01 Yeah. It was tight.

Joe Rogan 57:03 And you could say, you could make a, here's the thing, you could make an argument it coulda went either way. Here's the situation. Man, Donald Trump, let it be known that he didn't give a fuck about anybody but his base.

Donnell Rawlings 57:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:23 That's it.

Donnell Rawlings 57:23 Pretty much.

Joe Rogan 57:24 That's it. And, and I'm not saying if you're, if it's a numbers game, I understand that. Like, there's a certain amount of people that help you, will help you get elected. There's a certain amount of people, that's why you have strategists and shit. They'll be like, "If we do this, we get these robo calls here," and everything. You know, there's a science to that. It's certain people that can help you get there. You know?

Donnell Rawlings 57:43 Well, if he, the-

Joe Rogan 57:46 But he never made no... But, like-

Donnell Rawlings 57:47 If he softened his approach up, I think the base would not have appreciated it.

Joe Rogan 57:52 That's the numbers-

Donnell Rawlings 57:53 They, it's like love him or hate him.

Joe Rogan 57:54 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 57:54 It's very polarizing.

Joe Rogan 57:55 And for, to hate him works for-

Donnell Rawlings 57:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:57 ... for a situation.

Donnell Rawlings 57:58 Whereas Biden, I don't think people love Biden.

Joe Rogan 58:00 Something has to be... I don't think they dislike him either.

Donnell Rawlings 58:03 But they hate Trump. The people that voted for Biden hate Trump, most of them. Or just feel like we just can't do this anymore. That's a lot of them.

Joe Rogan 58:10 The people that vo- voted for Biden hate Trump?

Donnell Rawlings 58:13 But they're not excited about him the way they were excited about Obama or excited about Clinton or-

Joe Rogan 58:18 No.

Donnell Rawlings 58:18 ... excited about, uh, a million other presidents in the past. Not a million, you know what I'm saying.

Joe Rogan 58:22 Yeah, but for the most part-

Donnell Rawlings 58:23 It's only been 45.

Joe Rogan 58:23 ... every time it switches over, it's because somebody goes totally opposite of what was going on.

Donnell Rawlings 58:28 Yeah, there's a little bit of that.

Joe Rogan 58:29 You know?

Donnell Rawlings 58:29 But it's, it's usually bullshit. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 58:31 It's bullshit, man, but I'm like, man.

Donnell Rawlings 58:33 You got these old stories, these old stories that they're repeating over and over again. Biden is filling up his cabinet with all these billionaire, uh, hedge fund peoples, uh, p- p- like, not hedge fund people, but like-

Joe Rogan 58:44 Do you think Biden can get-

Donnell Rawlings 58:45 ... environment, like the vi- the guy that is involved in e- environmental, he just, he just hired some guy that people are upset about.

Joe Rogan 58:52 The black guy?

Donnell Rawlings 58:52 I don't know what color he is. I was reading about the, uh-

Joe Rogan 58:54 That's important to me.

Donnell Rawlings 58:55 ... environmental advisor.

Joe Rogan 58:57 That's important to me, Joe. That's important to me.

Donnell Rawlings 58:57 Because he worked for-

Joe Rogan 58:58 Joe, that's important to me.

Donnell Rawlings 58:59 ... worked for a fucking oil company.

Joe Rogan 59:01 The black part is important to me.

Donnell Rawlings 59:02 An environmental advisor was taking money from fossil fuel companies and they're like, "Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, this guy has ties to fossil fuels and you're doing something with him that involves the environment, there could be a conflict of interest." That's what I'm saying.

Joe Rogan 59:16 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 59:16 If he's a black guy, okay.

Joe Rogan 59:18 Yeah, if he's a black guy, it'd be really good.

Donnell Rawlings 59:19 We can find out. We'll find out right now. I bet they probably-

Joe Rogan 59:22 I just wanna know.

Donnell Rawlings 59:22 Listen, this is, I, I think they're probably gonna hire a lot of Republicans. I really do.

Joe Rogan 59:25 That's what they did, they already started, a black guy and, um-

Donnell Rawlings 59:27 They're gonna, they're gonna hire a lot of people that want to, uh... Listen, in, in their defense, they probably think some radical, uh, sh- things need to be done to kickstart the, the economy right now.

Joe Rogan 59:38 How- I agree.

Donnell Rawlings 59:38 The economy's kinda fucked.

Joe Rogan 59:39 I a- I agree, but I don't know how they're gonna be able to work together.

Donnell Rawlings 59:43 I think they're all dirty, bro. They all work together.

Joe Rogan 59:45 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 59:45 Here he goes. Uh, Biden just appointed his climate movement leader on-

Joe Rogan 59:48 Black man! Black man! Yes! Told you, son!

Donnell Rawlings 59:50 It's a fossil fuel industry ally.

Joe Rogan 59:53 Black!

Donnell Rawlings 59:53 Yeah. There he is.

Joe Rogan 59:55 Black.

Donnell Rawlings 59:55 Is it?

Joe Rogan 59:55 Looking black as shit.

Donnell Rawlings 59:58 But-

Joe Rogan 59:58 That's all I need, Joe.

Donnell Rawlings 59:59 There you go. He, uh, raked in big money from fossil fuel industry while waiting to help oil and gas comp- or voting, rather, to help oil and gas companies.

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 Look how he's greeting him is different. Look, he's, it's like getting-

Donnell Rawlings 1:00:12 He's giving him knuckles, "Hey, fella."

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Yeah, my motherfucker.

Donnell Rawlings 1:00:14 Here's a video of, um, Lindsey Graham and, uh, Kamala Harris fist bumping each other.It's adorable.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 Kamala Harris.

Donnell Rawlings 1:00:21 Reaching across the aisle.

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 That, that was a good move.

Donnell Rawlings 1:00:24 He's walking by, fist bumps her. Well, she's the only good move. She's strong. You know, she was a district attorney. She got some questionable arrests on her.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 Of course.

Donnell Rawlings 1:00:32 There's some shit that she did-

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 So interesting, like-

Donnell Rawlings 1:00:33 ... imprisoning people and keeping them in prison to use them as, to fight wildfires and shit, but...

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 I, uh, in my community, I've heard people talk about her and everything. Like, "Wonder what she'll do?" Uh, you, you, you have trust in her? You believe in her? What I did believe in was when she got elected to be the first female vice president, first Black, Black president. Within a couple of days, the commercials I've seen on different urban platforms or just period, it's been you see a little Black girl, right, looking up to something.

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 You know?

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:07 When you see that shadow with her standing there and the-

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 Yeah.

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:09 ... little Black girls in the shadow.

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 Black girls in the shadow. But the little girls that they're showing, it's like this-

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:14 You could be that person.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 They feel, they feel, yeah, they feel-

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 ... Black girl joy. They see something that's-

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:19 She also, you know, she didn't just-

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 And I know she put motherfuckers, like...

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:21 She didn't just, but she didn't do just bad things. She did a lot of good things. She b- she prosecuted a lot ch- child sex predators, a lot of pieces of shit, a lot of bad people. She wasn't just-

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 I'd fuck with her just-

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:32 ... the, the situations where people should have been let out of jail and weren't. But there's also, like, this is the thing that we have to realize when it comes to district attorneys and just attorneys and prosecutors and defense attorneys in general. They're trying to win a game, and it gets dirty. When, when-

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 When I tell you what my prosecuting experience?

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:45 ... they're trying to prosecute people... You haven't yet, but you, I'm sure you will.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 Sorry, go ahead.

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:48 But when someone, you're trying to-

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 I'm getting better.

Donnell Rawlings 1:01:49 ... prosecute people or defend people, the people defend people they know are fucking guilty. And they'll keep shit from the prosecution even though they know they're defending a guilty person. They do it all the time.

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 So they're just defending the wrong-

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:01 And people prosecute people that they're not sure are guilty. And they'll pretend they're sure that that person's guilty because they want to win. And they'll withhold information that could potentially exonerate that person because they're playing a game. When you let people play a game, anytime you let people play a game, and someone's trying to win, they cheat. They try to figure out a way to do better than you with, with influence, by withholding things, by holding things back. They know this judge. They're tight with this lawyer.

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:29 They try to win a game. You've made it a game. So you've got a prosecutor and you've got a defense attorney. So you've got two competing forces. You're always going to have lies.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 100%.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:37 Because people play games. So that was the business she's in. Her saying, us saying-

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 But it's, you said it, Joe, that's the business-

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:43 ... that she did this, it's like that's her business.

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 That's her business, and they are a business of words. Like you're saying, there's no personal connection.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:50 Well, she's in a business of laws. She, she particularly.

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 How do I win w- Laws, but-

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 ... laws are the word. How do I win with these words right here?

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 No matter what you think.

Donnell Rawlings 1:02:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 How do I win with this? "Come on, Kamala, you know that's not right." We're not talking about right. We're talking about what we could prove, and that's what law is all about, right?

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:07 Well, that is... If you are a defense attorney, that's your job, is to protect somebody, um, and try to get them off even if they might be guilty. And if you're a prosecutor, your job is to prosecute somebody. You're not... Your job is not to go, "Hey, we might be wrong." Your job is not to go, "Hey, let's l-" But the shady shit is when you don't play by the rules and you withhold inf- information or, uh, or withhold evidence. And p- people have done that in the past, and that's when things get real squirrelly. Because like, okay, now you're not playing the game. You're using your unfair advantage of being-

Joe Rogan 1:03:36 But nothing surprises you?

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:38 ... able to suppress-

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 Nothing surprises you?

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:39 No, no, it doesn't surprise me. But what I'm saying is it doesn't make her person all bad.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 Right.

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:42 Like, she's not all bad. Like, she's done a lot of very good things.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 That's the-

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:45 And I, I read an article about all the different things she did, including the different things that she did that a lot of people thought were bad, like threatening moms-

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 But what was her job?

Donnell Rawlings 1:03:53 ... threatening moms with, uh, they would go to jail if their