Joe Rogan Experience #1568 - Tom Green

Tom Green 0:02 (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Hello eccentric character known as-

Tom Green 0:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:14 ... Tom Green.

Tom Green 0:15 Joe, how are you? Thank you.

Joe Rogan 0:16 You're, you're the wild man living in a van now.

Tom Green 0:19 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:20 You, you are that eccentric character. You go from being a television and movie star-

Tom Green 0:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:25 ... to being a wild man-

Tom Green 0:26 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 0:26 ... traveling the land-

Tom Green 0:28 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 0:28 ... with your vagabond dog-

Tom Green 0:30 Yep.

Joe Rogan 0:30 ... that you got from another country.

Tom Green 0:31 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:32 She's a rescue from the Bahamas?

Tom Green 0:33 Yeah, Charlie, yeah, she's a rescue-

Joe Rogan 0:35 She's-

Tom Green 0:35 ... from the Bahamas, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:35 ... she's goddamn adorable-

Tom Green 0:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:36 ... by the way.

Tom Green 0:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:37 I love her.

Tom Green 0:37 Yeah, she's beautiful. I'll show, I'll show everyone around.

Joe Rogan 0:39 And you are this eccentric character now. Look at you.

Tom Green 0:42 I guess so. I feel like maybe ... I feel like in some ways what I'm doing right now is the most normal thing I've done in my life, but it is actually kinda crazy too.

Joe Rogan 0:49 It's, it's crazy compared to people, but I think it fits you l- like a glove. I really do.

Tom Green 0:54 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 0:55 Yeah.

Tom Green 0:55 Well, you know, I like going out into the wilderness, I always have.

Joe Rogan 0:58 Yeah.

Tom Green 0:59 And I've been out in this van that I just got, which is amazing, and I'm going pretty hard with it. Like I-

Joe Rogan 1:05 Is this the first time you've been tested since you got tested the last time on my show?

Tom Green 1:09 I got tested one time between, uh, but that's a- another interesting story. But, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:14 Let's hear it. What happened?

Tom Green 1:15 Uh, well, my ex-wife asked me to come on her talk show, and I hadn't talked to her in 15 years.

Joe Rogan 1:20 Oh.

Tom Green 1:20 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:20 Drew?

Tom Green 1:21 Drew, yeah. So-

Joe Rogan 1:22 Oh.

Tom Green 1:22 And so, I thought, "Well, that's, that's-"

Joe Rogan 1:23 Was that a trap?

Tom Green 1:25 Uh, it was nice, it was nice.

Joe Rogan 1:26 Did you feel, did you get nervous?

Tom Green 1:27 It was nice, it was nice. It was nice.

Joe Rogan 1:28 Oh.

Tom Green 1:28 We had a good time.

Joe Rogan 1:29 That's cool.

Tom Green 1:29 And, uh, but I had to get tested to do the show.

Joe Rogan 1:32 Oh.

Tom Green 1:32 And, uh, but it was interesting 'cause, you know, I mean, it was very sort of, uh, interesting thing 'cause, you know, uh, we hadn't talked in 15 years.

Joe Rogan 1:38 At all?

Tom Green 1:39 At all.

Joe Rogan 1:40 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 1:40 And, uh, and then, uh, you know, all of a sudden, uh, you know, got a call from her saying, "You wanna come and do the new show?" And her show's, her new show's really pretty wacky, you know, like, it's, she's, she's, she's getting really kinda-

Joe Rogan 1:50 I like how you put your hands out for wacky.

Tom Green 1:52 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53 Wacky.

Tom Green 1:53 Like, she's definitely pushing it in a very sort of ... I, I mean, I'm enjoying the show. It's very funny what she's doing, very, very, very over the top some of the things she does on there.

Joe Rogan 2:01 Do you think that's representative her, of her as well?

Tom Green 2:04 It reminds me a lot of, of, of her when ... Well, I mean, it is her, yeah, for sure, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:08 What she really is, like who she really is?

Tom Green 2:10 I think so, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:11 Yeah. Well, as you get older, like you tend to be able to figure out who you really are better, like ...

Tom Green 2:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:16 Like with you, like doing this van thing.

Tom Green 2:18 I'm the guy living down by the river in the van, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:20 It makes sense to me.

Tom Green 2:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:21 When you told me you were gonna do that, I'm gonna travel across the country and just drive around in the van with my dog, I was like, that I could see you enjoying that.

Tom Green 2:28 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know, it's, it's, it's a whole world, man. It's a whole world that you didn't, you, you, that I didn't really even know about. Like, I didn't know in, in Canada it's called Crown Land, here it's called BLM Land, Bureau of Land Management land.

Joe Rogan 2:42 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 2:42 I'm sure you know-

Joe Rogan 2:42 Yeah.

Tom Green 2:42 ... all about that from hunting and going out into the wilderness.

Joe Rogan 2:45 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 2:45 I didn't really know about Bureau of Land Management land, and there's certain apps that will show you all the fire roads, all the remote places that you can go and, uh, do dispersed camping, go boon-docking they call, they call it.

Joe Rogan 2:59 Does your van have off-road capabilities? Can you drive on rugged trails?

Tom Green 3:03 Yeah, pretty good.

Joe Rogan 3:03 Yeah.

Tom Green 3:03 I got like a ... It's not, it's not an off-road vehicle. It's a, it's a, it's a Ram ProMaster 2500. It's, you know, a delivery truck that they convert into a-

Joe Rogan 3:13 A lot of people are doing that these days.

Tom Green 3:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:14 My friend Tim Pool did that. He got a ... I believe he got a Ram as well.

Tom Green 3:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:17 His was a Ram, wasn't it, Jamie?

Tom Green 3:19 I don't know. I don't remember.

Joe Rogan 3:20 I think it's a Ram as well, and he did the same thing.

Tom Green 3:22 So the-

Joe Rogan 3:22 He turned it into a bug-out van.

Tom Green 3:23 So the Ram is, is wider than the, than the Mercedes Sprinter van, which you see a lot of. It's wider, so I can actually sleep full width-wise, the bed's width-wide, wi- width-wise at the back, but, but, uh, you know, it, it was just kinda happened pretty randomly. I saw this clip online of these guys in Arizona who convert the vans. I called them up. They, they were on Shark Tank, they're, these guys, they're called Boho. This van's called Boho. They're really cool dudes.

Joe Rogan 3:49 Boho?

Tom Green 3:49 Yeah, Boho.

Joe Rogan 3:50 Like B-O-H-O?

Tom Green 3:52 Yeah. And by the way, uh, they are like ... They love this, that I'm here right now. They're your biggest fan. They, like, literally have watched e- every episode of your show, and so they're gonna take a shit right now. They're probably really happy that I'm mentioning them on the show. But, um, they, uh, they were on Shark Tank. They're just, these two young guys. They started this company where they bought Ram ProMasters, totally independent thing, and they do this great carpentry. Like, they build, build out the inside. It's all-

Joe Rogan 4:17 Oh.

Tom Green 4:17 ... cedar. They take-

Joe Rogan 4:18 Do you have, uh, images of your, your van online?

Tom Green 4:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:21 There you are.

Tom Green 4:21 That's the inside of the van there.

Joe Rogan 4:23 Look at you.

Tom Green 4:23 And see, I got my studio.

Joe Rogan 4:24 Oh, I like the wood.

Tom Green 4:24 See, I got ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:24 That's nice.

Tom Green 4:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And see, like, I got my speakers set up. And the thing that's, that's kinda like cool about this-

Joe Rogan 4:31 Give you a little tug.

Tom Green 4:31 ... in the Mojave desert. There's Charlie chilling.

Joe Rogan 4:34 Look at her.

Tom Green 4:35 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:36 So when you say you have your studio, so you're doing your podcast from the road?

Tom Green 4:40 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 4:41 And how are you doing it? Like, whenever you feel like it, you just fire up the podcast when you've got something to say and-

Tom Green 4:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:48 Dude, that thing looks killer in there.

Tom Green 4:50 Yeah, yeah. See, it's got a little kitchen.

Joe Rogan 4:52 Oh, you got a little kitchenette s- set up. And how you cooking?

Tom Green 4:56 There's, there's a vent.

Joe Rogan 4:56 Oh, you got an awning.

Tom Green 4:57 And I'm shooting these drone shots too, which are pretty fun. Um-

Joe Rogan 5:00 Dude, you're ro- rolling drones? Look at this.

Tom Green 5:03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is in the Mojave. Check out all those Joshua trees burned. Those are burned Joshua trees.

Joe Rogan 5:08 Oh, wow.

Tom Green 5:09 Uh, but, um ... So, you know, it's, it's kinda like, you know, I've always been into the techie kind of building out studio stuff, right?

Joe Rogan 5:16 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 5:16 So that's-

Joe Rogan 5:16 Sure.

Tom Green 5:17 ... when I found out about these vans, the thing that really kinda piqued my interest is the, the battery and solar technology that exists now. So there's two solar panels on the roof, and in the back I've got these batteries, okay? They're, they're really c- they're called Battle Born Batteries. They're like really s- solid, like they p- use them in sailboats to go around the world basically. And there's four of them, and the solar panels are charging them constantly. So I've built ... I've got my computers, I've got my cameras, I've got my drone. I'm charging batteries all the time. I've got a refrigerator in there so I can- I- you know, I can have f- you know, cold beer, right? And, uh, and, uh, it's sweet. So I can go out into the middle of nowhere and, uh-... have virtually unlimited electronic capability and just stay there as long as I want, until I run out of food.

Joe Rogan 6:09 Wow.

Tom Green 6:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:09 And so those solar panels, how efficient are they? Like, uh, will they p- they power your studio and all that stuff where you don't have to use your, your engine? You don't have to start up and use gas?

Tom Green 6:20 Yeah. Exactly.

Joe Rogan 6:20 Are you running diesel in your van?

Tom Green 6:22 No.

Joe Rogan 6:22 No?

Tom Green 6:23 No. No. But, uh-

Joe Rogan 6:23 Gas?

Tom Green 6:23 ... that just, that just happened to be the way it went, 'cause that van was available and I got that one, but, uh-

Joe Rogan 6:30 But how is the gas mileage on something like that?

Tom Green 6:31 It's pretty good. I, I'll tell you one thing though, I am always filling up. Like, I never let it go below three quarter of a tank, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 6:37 Just in case shit gets weird?

Tom Green 6:38 ... I never know where I'm going every day.

Joe Rogan 6:40 Right.

Tom Green 6:40 That's the... Like, I got some weird stories over the last six weeks where I've just been, like, not sure where I'm gonna sleep and it's, the sun's going down and then I end up going down a crazy road. And then... The first night I got stuck in the Mojave Desert because I looked up on this app, "dispersed fire road." I'm thinking, "Oh, that's pretty cool." You know? Th- I get there and there's a sign, it says, "Tortoises crossing. Careful." I dr- start driving out into the desert. I'm 200 yards (laughs) in, I get stuck, 'cause it's the soft sand, get stuck in the soft sand. So I've been a little more careful. But, but, um-

Joe Rogan 7:15 How do you get out when you get stuck in the soft sand?

Tom Green 7:17 Call Triple A.

Joe Rogan 7:18 Oh.

Tom Green 7:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:19 Triple A comes to the desert?

Tom Green 7:20 The soft s- I was, uh, I was 100 yards from the, from the, from the freeway. It was like I hadn't even-

Joe Rogan 7:24 Jesus Christ.

Tom Green 7:24 ... gotten into it yet.

Joe Rogan 7:25 (laughs)

Tom Green 7:26 It was (laughs) , it was so pathetic. It was hilarious actually.

Joe Rogan 7:28 (laughs)

Tom Green 7:28 'Cause I'd been planning for months, you know?

Joe Rogan 7:30 That's hilarious.

Tom Green 7:30 And then all of a sudden, I'm like, I'm seeing the, you know, the free- This was, it was, like, Barstow or something like that.

Joe Rogan 7:34 So, can I... K- Before we get into your adventure and I wanna-

Tom Green 7:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:36 I wanna t-

Tom Green 7:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:37 ... get more into this van build-out.

Tom Green 7:38 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:39 So you started it out with just buying this van.

Tom Green 7:42 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:42 Is it a new van, or did you buy it-

Tom Green 7:44 Yeah. Brand new. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:44 So you bought a brand new van and then you bring it to these boho guys.

Tom Green 7:47 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:48 And these guys, uh, what do they do? They ask you, "What are you planning on doing? Are you tr- plan on using this as a studio?"

Tom Green 7:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:54 Like, your idea from the jump was to do your podcast on the road with no-

Tom Green 8:00 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 8:00 ... no plans-

Tom Green 8:01 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 8:01 ... other than your own whims. Right?

Tom Green 8:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:04 So when, when you do something like that, how do you know what you're gonna need?

Tom Green 8:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:08 You didn't really have any experience in, like, off-roading or that kind of-

Tom Green 8:12 Not really.

Joe Rogan 8:13 ... living out of a van.

Tom Green 8:14 Yeah, not really.

Joe Rogan 8:14 How did you know what you were gonna need? Like, how... Did you research it?

Tom Green 8:16 Mm. Yeah. So, well, there's, there's a couple of categories of research. One was just building the studio itself, so I built the studio at home first. That was just the, the, you know, nitty-gritty technical stuff. You know, and what kind of microphones, what kind of, uh, amps and pre-amps I'm gonna use. And I have some amps that use tubes. I got rid of those, 'cause I figured the tubes would rattle out in the dirt road, so...

Joe Rogan 8:39 Mm.

Tom Green 8:39 Boring techy stuff. But, uh, but as far as the survival and the food and the, and all of that and the, the van, they've been real great. Like, I, I, I, I built my studio equipment into a road case, and I know, I knew that... I thought, "Well, that could fit under the bed." And then we sort of planned it out where there's a little door that opens and you can access it under the bed. And we've wired all the cables through the walls and, uh, it's pretty efficient. So, uh...

Joe Rogan 9:09 So you had everything you need to do a podcast down into one box.

Tom Green 9:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:12 So you just pull that box out and then you're ready to roll?

Tom Green 9:15 It's actually, it's, it's actually permanently housed under the bed. So I just... I, I have a table that pulls out, that table I was sitting at there. Um, and just under there a little door opens, microphone's plugged in, and away you go. But the other side of it is, like, a lot of the video stuff too, like the, the drone, the cameras. Like I've, I've got some new cameras that I'm kinda messing with that are exciting to me. And so, so I'm kinda out there. The thing that I was thinking, I was thinking, "Am I gonna get bored out here?"

Joe Rogan 9:43 Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask you.

Tom Green 9:44 I'm all alone with-

Joe Rogan 9:45 Or lonely.

Tom Green 9:46 Yeah. Am I gonna get bored or lonely?

Joe Rogan 9:48 Yeah.

Tom Green 9:48 And, uh, I haven't, because I've populated the van with stuff to do. So when I get bored of the drone, then I'll... And I'm making music too, so I've made a, uh... It's a recording music studio too, so...

Joe Rogan 10:01 What kind of music?

Tom Green 10:02 Well, I'm doing some sort of different stuff. I've got my acoustic guitar, so I'm gonna start doing some, some, uh, country-rap type of stu-

Joe Rogan 10:12 Are you gonna go on tour?

Tom Green 10:13 I'm gonna call... Country rap. I call it CRAP, Joe. It's, uh, country rap.

Joe Rogan 10:15 Are you gonna go on tour?

Tom Green 10:17 M- Maybe. Maybe. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:18 As a singer?

Tom Green 10:20 Uh, yeah. Yeah, I could see that. No, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I'll probably maybe incorporate it into my standup or something like that.

Joe Rogan 10:26 (laughs)

Tom Green 10:26 You know? I, uh, you know, I was a rapper when I was a teenager, so maybe I'll get-

Joe Rogan 10:29 Yeah, I remember.

Tom Green 10:30 ... back into it.

Joe Rogan 10:30 Yeah.

Tom Green 10:31 But-

Joe Rogan 10:31 So, so to get back to this build out, so you get it where you're r- you're ready. You still have your house in LA, right?

Tom Green 10:37 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:37 And then you decide, "All right."

Tom Green 10:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:40 "Let's do it."

Tom Green 10:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:41 You start the car up.

Tom Green 10:42 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:42 And you go. Where did you go?

Tom Green 10:45 I drove out, uh, drove out into the Mojave Desert and-

Joe Rogan 10:48 That's the first place?

Tom Green 10:48 ... with... The destination was, uh, Utah, and, uh, so I started by going out to the Mojave Desert.

Joe Rogan 10:54 And what, what type of the, what time of the year was this?

Tom Green 10:56 This was, I guess, six or seven weeks ago, I guess, and I've been on the road ever since. Um...

Joe Rogan 11:01 Wow.

Tom Green 11:01 Yeah, haven't, haven't... (laughs) It was great, man.

Joe Rogan 11:04 Just eating outta your van?

Tom Green 11:06 Yeah, so that was part of planning, like, the food. So I've got these big Rubbermaid containers in the trunk, four of them, and-

Joe Rogan 11:13 Do you have a refrigerator?

Tom Green 11:14 I have a refrigerator, yep. That's, uh-

Joe Rogan 11:16 Is that solar powered as well?

Tom Green 11:18 It runs off the electric system. So the solar is charging the batteries and the batteries run the electric for the whole van. All the lights are LED, so it's very, you know, effective, uh, efficient, and the, the fridge is also high-efficiency cooler essentially, so...

Joe Rogan 11:33 So is it, like, one of those, uh, roll-out coolers that people have and-

Tom Green 11:36 It's under one of the seats.

Joe Rogan 11:37 Okay.

Tom Green 11:37 It's called a Dometic, uh, SS cooler.

Joe Rogan 11:41 Um, um, because there's a lot of guys who do, uh, what do they... It's not... They don't call it off-roading. What do they call it when they go out into the wilderness?

Tom Green 11:50 Boondocking. Boondocking?

Joe Rogan 11:50 I don't think they call it that either.

Tom Green 11:51 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 11:51 No.

Tom Green 11:51 That's the, that's the van life term for, for what people are doing with their, these vans now, but, uh, where they go off grid and, uh-

Joe Rogan 12:00 I forget the term.

Tom Green 12:00 Boot docking is a ... I think it's a Filipino word from the, the US military brought that word up.

Joe Rogan 12:05 There's a lot of people that plan ... They m- t- they get a kick out of meticulously planning, like, a 500-mile venture through the, uh, uh, off-road-

Tom Green 12:15 Mm.

Joe Rogan 12:15 ... through the wilderness-

Tom Green 12:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:16 ... with these, like, uh, off-roa- t- I forget what they call it. Trekking? Goddamn it.

Tom Green 12:21 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:22 But it's, uh, there's ... I got into it for a while. I went down a rabbit hole.

Tom Green 12:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:25 There's tons of videos on YouTube of these guys, uh ... Overlanding, sorry.

Tom Green 12:30 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 12:30 That's what they call it, overlanding.

Tom Green 12:31 So, I'm not going, uh ... You know, I don't have extra fuel, so I've got my tank of fuel. So, I usually ... When I get off the main highway, I make sure I've got a full tank, and I've never ... I've, I've gotten close to running out of fuel.

Joe Rogan 12:45 Have you thought now that you've had this thing for six weeks, you've been doing it for six weeks, to make revisions? Like, like, maybe have some exterior fuel canisters?

Tom Green 12:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:55 Maybe put an extended-range gas tank in?

Tom Green 12:59 (laughs) Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 12:59 Are you thinking about all these things?

Tom Green 13:00 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:00 Yeah.

Tom Green 13:00 I love these questions.

Joe Rogan 13:01 Yeah, overlanders do all that stuff.

Tom Green 13:03 Uh-huh. So, there's, like ... Yeah, definitely, um, definitely ... You know, the thing is, is this van is, is ... Yeah, I could. I mean, look, I'm, I'm amazed how remote you can go just ... And this is what I kinda talk about on my social media and in some of the videos I make on YouTube. I'm sometimes sorta telling people, like, "Hey, you know, if you're, like, sitting around at home right now, and, you know, you're bored and you're angry about ... shit, and you wanna ... You can just get in your car and drive out to these beautiful places." Um, you know, the last week, I was on the top of a mountain, uh, in the, uh, Lincoln National Forest, right on the border of New Mexico and Texas. And, uh, I mean, there's, there's drone shots where it's ... There's nobody for, like, seems like 100 miles. Like, I t- I, I drove for an hour up this two-lane paved highway and didn't see a car the entire time, uh, driving there. And, uh, then you get up there and you find a place to camp, and there's, there ... It's hunters are up there, so there's lots of dispersed spots with fire pits. And you're up there all by yourself, and you get up in the morning, and I make coffee with this gas-powered kettle, so I'm not eating my battery. And, uh, you know, I got all these propane tanks. I got a Coleman stove; I'm cooking with my Coleman stove. And, uh, I got lots of cans of beans. I'm eating a lot of spam. And Ragu. I remember you gave me some shit about the Ragu last time. (claps) It was pretty good, the Ragu. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:40 I don't think I gave you shit. I mean,, was just kinda joking around with you, but-

Tom Green 14:44 Yeah. But, like, you know, I, I, I'm eating a lot of canned food, 'cause it ... Part of, part of what happened was this started from the whole quarantining, right?

Joe Rogan 14:52 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 14:52 I, I got all this canned food for the house, and I was just cooking for myself, and then I thought, "You know, I c- I could just take this out, take this on the road."

Joe Rogan 14:59 So, you're spending a lot of time with no people.

Tom Green 15:01 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:02 Like, did it feel weird coming here? Like, is all the-

Tom Green 15:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:04 ... people, security people here-

Tom Green 15:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:06 ... and Jamie-

Tom Green 15:06 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:06 ... and Jeff, and m- Did it feel weird? Like-

Tom Green 15:08 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:08 All these people?

Tom Green 15:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:10 What's it feel like?

Tom Green 15:12 Uh ... You know, it's interesting because you start to feel a little bit ... And I think this is probably something that maybe is affecting everybody with the, the, the, the, the quarantining and the pandemic and all that stuff. Maybe not. Maybe, maybe ... Certainly not everyone's in their van. But I ... You start to get to the point where you think, "Maybe I ..." I didn't get social anxiety coming here because, like ... I know you guys are getting all tested and all that stuff, but I, I, I have a little bi- ... You know I have a little bit more paranoia about getting this virus than the average person.

Joe Rogan 15:45 Because of cancer? 'Cause the fact that-

Tom Green 15:47 I think so.

Joe Rogan 15:48 ... you have cancer?

Tom Green 15:48 I think so, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:48 Yeah. Makes sense.

Tom Green 15:49 So, you know, 'cause I just don't ... It's not even that I feel like I'm more susceptible to it. It's just I really hate being sick. When I had cancer, I was in the hospital for six weeks. It was, like, painful. It's ... I just hate it. I f- hate that loss of control, you know? So, so ... But, no, I mean, uh-

Joe Rogan 16:06 Are you taking care of yourself, like vitamin-wise? Are you taking-

Tom Green 16:09 Uh, like, I, you know-

Joe Rogan 16:10 ... supplements?

Tom Green 16:11 I think I'm eating pretty healthy. I don't take-

Joe Rogan 16:13 With your spam and Ragu?

Tom Green 16:15 But, I mean, like, there's a lot of vitamins in that.

Joe Rogan 16:16 Slow down.

Tom Green 16:17 There's a lot of vitamins in that stuff. Um-

Joe Rogan 16:20 No. No.

Tom Green 16:21 Look, I'm, I'm, I'm, uh-

Joe Rogan 16:23 Are you getting any fresh vegetables?

Tom Green 16:24 I'm exercising.

Joe Rogan 16:24 You are?

Tom Green 16:25 I do a lot of walk- ... I'm doing a lot of walks.

Joe Rogan 16:26 That's cool.

Tom Green 16:27 I'm going deep-

Joe Rogan 16:27 That's good.

Tom Green 16:28 ... into these woods, and-

Joe Rogan 16:29 Are you getting any fresh vegetables at all?

Tom Green 16:31 Uh, I, I have, uh, canned corn. I have-

Joe Rogan 16:35 (sighs) Mm.

Tom Green 16:35 I have a large quantity of canned corn.

Joe Rogan 16:37 Cor- corn is barely a vegetable.

Tom Green 16:39 I was told corn-

Joe Rogan 16:41 (laughs)

Tom Green 16:41 (laughs) I was told corn, rice, and beans is enough for subsitent- subsi- uh, to subsist.

Joe Rogan 16:46 Yeah, you can stay alive. Your heart-

Tom Green 16:47 That's what I'm ... I'm just trying to stay alive.

Joe Rogan 16:48 ... will stay beating.

Tom Green 16:49 I'm just trying to stay alive. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:49 But, you know, I want you to take care of yourself, like vitamins and-

Tom Green 16:52 Mm.

Joe Rogan 16:52 ... nutrients, and, like-

Tom Green 16:54 So-

Joe Rogan 16:54 Corn is very little of that.

Tom Green 16:55 I have onions.

Joe Rogan 16:57 That's not good either.

Tom Green 16:57 They last a long time. And potatoes.

Joe Rogan 16:59 Yeah. Well, there's a little bit in potatoes.

Tom Green 17:01 I have potatoes. Um-

Joe Rogan 17:01 You can kind of live off of potatoes.

Tom Green 17:02 They last a long time. I have ... I mean, full disclosure, just to be clear. I have done a few, um, (smacks lips) uh, you know, curbside pickup at Walmart, and I've got oranges. So, I've got oranges.

Joe Rogan 17:12 Oh, so you won't go inside?

Tom Green 17:14 Uh, yeah, not, not really trying to not to go inside. I have-

Joe Rogan 17:17 Really?

Tom Green 17:17 I have gone inside a couple of times, uh, admittedly. I-

Joe Rogan 17:19 You're nervous about going inside a Walmart?

Tom Green 17:22 I did b- I did do it once, yeah, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 17:24 Wow.

Tom Green 17:24 ... 'cause it was late and I was quite hungry. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:28 But you're hardcore with this-

Tom Green 17:29 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 17:30 ... v- f- fear of the virus.

Tom Green 17:33 (clicks tongue) I'm not sure how m- ... Yes, I am. Yes, I am. I, I am sure that I am. But I also am enjoying ... Not enjoying. That's the wrong word. I am, um ... (smacks lips) I'm just trying to see if I can do it, too. I'm trying to see if I can do it. Is it possible to go remote, off the grid, and just sort of be disconnected from the, the, the luxuries that we're used to having in life, of being able to go to a Walmart and grab any food you want, you know?

Joe Rogan 17:58 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 17:59 I'm like, "I think I'll have some sushi." You know? "Okay, I think I'll r- well, grab a plate of fresh-cut steak." I mean, it's kinda interesting to kinda go out into these places that are-... incredibly remote and beautiful, and to cook on a, on a open flame. And, uh, I brought a fishing rod, haven't caught anything yet. Um-

Joe Rogan 18:17 Have you done any fishing?

Tom Green 18:19 I did a little bit, but I honestly haven't had a lot of time.

Joe Rogan 18:21 How are you getting your licenses?

Tom Green 18:23 Uh, online. Online.

Joe Rogan 18:24 Online?

Tom Green 18:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:25 Yeah.

Tom Green 18:25 Yeah, I, I, I, I, uh, I also, I did bring a shotgun as well.

Joe Rogan 18:29 Oh, Jesus.

Tom Green 18:29 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:30 For protection or for birds?

Tom Green 18:31 Uh, (clicks tongue) well, I have-

Joe Rogan 18:33 Or rabbits?

Tom Green 18:34 ... I, I, I've been hunting, but I have not actually, uh, seen an animal yet.

Joe Rogan 18:38 No animals at all?

Tom Green 18:39 No. No. Uh, well-

Joe Rogan 18:40 Are you bringing your dog?

Tom Green 18:41 I, uh-

Joe Rogan 18:41 That might be a part of the problem.

Tom Green 18:43 Uh, no, I don't bring the dog, actually. I don't.

Joe Rogan 18:46 So when you say you go hunting, what are you hunting for?

Tom Green 18:48 Well, I, uh, in, in my mind, it would be, it would be for birds.

Joe Rogan 18:52 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 18:52 And I have a bird gun, so. But I ha-

Joe Rogan 18:54 What gauge?

Tom Green 18:55 Uh, it's a 12-gauge.

Joe Rogan 18:57 That's a big-

Tom Green 18:58 Benelli.

Joe Rogan 18:58 ... gun.

Tom Green 18:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:58 For birds.

Tom Green 19:00 I- is it?

Joe Rogan 19:00 Yeah.

Tom Green 19:01 Well, well, I guess I got ... Yeah, I guess so. It's a Benelli 3-

Joe Rogan 19:04 It's like, for ducks, I guess.

Tom Green 19:05 Maybe. I don't even know what I'm doing, Joe. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 19:07 You can ... But you're, but, but, but what birds are you targeting?

Tom Green 19:09 Well, I'm not really, honestly ... I, I honestly have it just 'cause I feel like when I, I'm going in bear country, and when I go walking deep into the woods, I kinda feel a little nervous.

Joe Rogan 19:18 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 19:19 So I've got my bear spray. I've got my, you know, hunting knife. I've got my hands.

Joe Rogan 19:25 You ready to rock?

Tom Green 19:26 I'm ready to rock. Um, but I, uh, honestly, I just like to walk in the woods. Um, and I like to go deep out into the woods, and I bring a compass with me, and I go way out. Not ... I have this system to not get lost, okay? I know that sounds crazy.

Joe Rogan 19:40 A system?

Tom Green 19:40 I have a system, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:41 What's the system?

Tom Green 19:43 Um, well, basically, so like last, last, last week, I was up on this mountaintop in the Lincoln National Forest. And, uh, so there was a sort of a long straight, I'd call it, like a ravine or something. So I just walked straight along that ravine. I knew that would lead back to the van. And I followed that until I, probably a mile or so, until I hit a landmark that went that way. It was a sort of a limestone ledge that went straight. So I don't go so far that I'm going in circles, right? But I'm always keeping very good track on those landmarks. And I just know that, okay, I've walk- walked a mile down to this ravine, and this ravine to this, to this, uh, limestone ledge. Now I'll walk a mile that way. And-

Joe Rogan 20:31 Do you find yourself way more aware of where you are-

Tom Green 20:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:35 ... because you have to be responsible for yourself-

Tom Green 20:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:38 ... and because you are alone, off-grid, different than you would be that if you were with a bunch of friends wandering around, you probably wouldn't be paying that much attention?

Tom Green 20:46 I love it. It's my favorite thing. You know, I, I, I, I really do love it. You know, we talked about it before, you know, how I used to go out on canoe trips in Canada when I was a kid, and just, you know ... This is the first time I've ever done it alone-alone.

Joe Rogan 21:00 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 21:00 I've never gone camping alone before. Who goes camping alone? But, you know, I, uh, there's, there's something even really extra special about it.

Joe Rogan 21:06 Yeah.

Tom Green 21:06 And so-

Joe Rogan 21:07 I have a lot of friends who really enjoy it.

Tom Green 21:09 And, and to clarify, like, I do bring the dog with me on a lot of these walks, and when I have the shotgun, but I have no intention of firing the gun.

Joe Rogan 21:17 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 21:18 Um, 'cause I don't wanna hurt her ears, right?

Joe Rogan 21:20 Oh, yeah.

Tom Green 21:21 Um-

Joe Rogan 21:21 For sure.

Tom Green 21:21 But, uh, but, but if I ever went with the intention of possibly firing the gun, then, then I leave her, uh, you know, in the van.

Joe Rogan 21:29 You have to worry about coyotes with her, huh?

Tom Green 21:31 Oh, yeah. And she, she ... You know, this was, this happened a couple nights ago. It was really kinda interesting. Dogs are so smart, actually.

Joe Rogan 21:38 We should let everybody know, she's a t- she's a little doggy, but she's adorable.

Tom Green 21:41 Okay. Let's just let everyone say hi to her. So the other night ...

Joe Rogan 21:45 Say hi, Chopper.

Tom Green 21:46 The other night-

Joe Rogan 21:47 Hi, sweetie. She was sleeping. You could tell. She's like, "Dad?"

Tom Green 21:52 Yeah, the other-

Joe Rogan 21:52 "I was just sleeping. What are you doing?"

Tom Green 21:55 The other, the other night, um, we were surrounded by them. M- multiple times we've been surrounded by them in the van at night. Like, so in, it was sort of late at night, and I had a campfire going. And we just heard like, you know, I don't know-

Joe Rogan 22:07 Yeah.

Tom Green 22:07 ... more than I've ever heard, actually. There must have been like, I don't know, 30 or something out there. And they were howling, and, and for a moment-

Joe Rogan 22:13 (laughs)

Tom Green 22:13 ... she barked, and then I said, "Quiet," and then she sorta realized. I could see her realize, 'cause she barks at everything. There's a video I've put up on my YouTube which is pretty funny 'cause, you know, we saw some, uh, we saw a javelina, you know, a wild, wild boar.

Joe Rogan 22:29 Oh, don't, don't kill your dog too, man.

Tom Green 22:31 Uh-huh. Yeah. We were in the van, so.

Joe Rogan 22:32 No.

Tom Green 22:32 We were driving down this, this road. This was in New Mexico. And I get my camera to get this shot of this, you know, wild boar. And she starts-

Joe Rogan 22:40 It's not really a ... It's not a ... Ja- javelina's not really a pig. It looks like a pig, but it's not.

Tom Green 22:44 Sort of-

Joe Rogan 22:45 It's a, it's a peccary. It's a different kinda animal.

Tom Green 22:47 Yeah, yeah. It was, I think it was a, it wasn't a wild boar. It was a-

Joe Rogan 22:50 Javelina. Yeah.

Tom Green 22:50 Yeah, I think it was.

Joe Rogan 22:51 Yes.

Tom Green 22:51 Yeah. I'd never seen one before.

Joe Rogan 22:53 Where was this?

Tom Green 22:53 Uh, New Mexico.

Joe Rogan 22:54 Yeah, they have them out there.

Tom Green 22:55 In the, in the, um, Gila National Forest. Gila?

Joe Rogan 22:58 Gila.

Tom Green 22:59 Gila?

Joe Rogan 22:59 Gila.

Tom Green 22:59 Gila.

Joe Rogan 22:59 Yeah.

Tom Green 23:00 Um, so, um-

Joe Rogan 23:01 She's so cute.

Tom Green 23:02 So she starts barking at it.

Joe Rogan 23:04 Look at this.

Tom Green 23:05 Yeah, there it is.

Joe Rogan 23:05 Oh, you got video footage of it?

Tom Green 23:07 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:07 Oh, yeah, that's definitely a javelina.

Tom Green 23:07 Yeah. So I got the shot. You'll see. It's ... And she starts barking, and then it runs off.

Joe Rogan 23:11 They're vicious little fuckers.

Tom Green 23:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:12 They killed Stanhope's neighbor's dog.

Tom Green 23:14 Oh, really? Yeah, there he goes.

Joe Rogan 23:16 Yeah. They, they, uh, surrounded ...

Tom Green 23:17 Good job it run away.

Joe Rogan 23:17 It's interesting that it's by itself.

Tom Green 23:19 Yeah, so actually, later, we were ... Just up the road, we drove by a river.

Joe Rogan 23:23 Look at her. (laughs)

Tom Green 23:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:24 She barks and then she yawns.

Tom Green 23:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:26 She's so well taken care of.

Tom Green 23:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:27 She's not worried.

Tom Green 23:28 Good job pulling that video up, Jamie.

Joe Rogan 23:30 That's dope.

Tom Green 23:30 It's pretty impressive, you guys. Speaker 1: Wow, look how beautiful that is. (barking) Yeah, so that next shot there-

Joe Rogan 23:33 God, look at the landscape.

Tom Green 23:34 So this is the deer. She scares the deer away here. And this is, uh, that is just outside of, uh, Las Cruces, uh, New Mexico.

Joe Rogan 23:42 You got a few deer out there. Okay.

Narrator 23:43 Yeah, there was a deer.

Tom Green 23:44 A lot out there. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:45 Yeah.

Tom Green 23:46 And, um, I've got ... That's not actually my good lens.

Joe Rogan 23:49 That's in New Mexico, huh?

Tom Green 23:50 That's in New Mexico, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:51 And she's barking at the deer?

Tom Green 23:52 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:53 Wow. What time ... When did ... When was this? How long ago?

Tom Green 23:55 This was, uh, I don't know, a week ago?

Joe Rogan 23:58 They might be in season, son.

Tom Green 24:00 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Uh, there's- I- mo- you- when I'm in a- when I'm out for my walk, I- I've got my, my orange, hunter orange on, and-

Joe Rogan 24:07 Do you have a license to shoot deer?

Tom Green 24:09 No.

Joe Rogan 24:09 You have a tag?

Tom Green 24:10 Uh, I don't, no.

Joe Rogan 24:11 No. Yeah.

Tom Green 24:12 I- I just have a small game license just, uh, for New Mexico.

Joe Rogan 24:15 If you got a deer, do you know what to do with it?

Tom Green 24:18 Well, I- I- I've no-

Joe Rogan 24:19 I mean, if you have a deer tag.

Tom Green 24:19 I've no intention of, of-

Joe Rogan 24:20 Shooting a deer?

Tom Green 24:21 ... shooting a deer because I'm by myself. I mean, what am I gonna do with it, you know?

Joe Rogan 24:24 Well, you don't have enough refrigeration is the problem.

Tom Green 24:24 But I do have Steve Renella's- Rinelli's book on, uh, small game, uh, preparation.

Joe Rogan 24:29 Oh, really?

Tom Green 24:29 Food preparation.

Joe Rogan 24:30 Oh, that's awesome.

Tom Green 24:30 And I loved your, your episode of that, by the way.

Joe Rogan 24:32 I just did one with him a couple, uh, days ago.

Tom Green 24:34 A new one?

Joe Rogan 24:35 Yeah.

Tom Green 24:35 Oh, nice.

Joe Rogan 24:36 Yeah. How long ago was that? F- five days ago? Five episodes ago? A week? Yeah, he's awesome.

Tom Green 24:42 I- I particularly like the, uh-

Joe Rogan 24:43 Look at that little face. Look at that little face.

Tom Green 24:45 I parti- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:46 Look at her. She's so cute.

Tom Green 24:48 She's super cute.

Joe Rogan 24:48 First thing she did to me is bite me.

Tom Green 24:50 Oh.

Joe Rogan 24:50 She came running up to me wagging her tail and bit my fingers.

Tom Green 24:52 She's still teething.

Joe Rogan 24:52 Like, she just wants to play.

Tom Green 24:53 She's still teething a little bit.

Joe Rogan 24:54 How old is she?

Tom Green 24:55 She's probably six and a half months.

Joe Rogan 24:57 Aw.

Tom Green 24:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:58 She's so cute. She's so playful too.

Tom Green 25:00 Yeah. Um, but, uh, yeah, I, uh ... So, like, full, full disclosure though, like, I've- I've never really hunted before. I don't- I'm not a hunter.

Joe Rogan 25:09 Right.

Tom Green 25:09 I've never hunted before. Lot of fishing, grew up fishing, did a ton of that. But I just- I do like- I just- I just- there's something about being all alone in the middle of nowhere-

Joe Rogan 25:22 Yeah.

Tom Green 25:22 ... at night, surrounded by coyotes that I- I'd be lying if I say it wasn't a little bit scary. Like, it's a little s-

Joe Rogan 25:30 Oh, yeah.

Tom Green 25:30 It's a little bit scary, so.

Joe Rogan 25:31 It's- there's something about those, uh, lo- alone trips that people say you're- you've- you do sort of, uh, an inventory of your life-

Tom Green 25:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:40 ... and start assessing your, your behavior and who you are.

Tom Green 25:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:44 And you're alone for so long that you're- you're forced to sort of think about what you've done, and are you happy with your choices in life? Are you happy with your job? Are you happy with your relationships?

Tom Green 25:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:57 Is that what you're experiencing too?

Tom Green 25:58 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:59 My friend Ar- uh, Aaron Snyder, he's been on the podcast before, he owns Kifaru. It's a, a big, uh, backpack company.

Tom Green 26:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:07 They make, like, really super, high-end hunting backpacks, and he spends hundreds of days a year in the woods by himself.

Tom Green 26:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:16 Either by himself or with other people hunting, and he goes on these long backpacking solo adventures hunting-

Tom Green 26:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:22 ... where he goes deep into the woods many, many, many miles in by himself-

Tom Green 26:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:25 ... with just his camp on his back.

Tom Green 26:27 Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 26:27 That's it.

Tom Green 26:27 Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 26:28 And that's the thing that he always says is that you'll, you know, you get in there and then on- once you get back to civilization you wanna call ex-girlfriends and apologize-

Tom Green 26:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:35 ... and call friends and mend fences and, you know-

Tom Green 26:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:38 ... just sort of, like, give you an inventory of what you've been ... Some- I think sometimes we get caught up in momentum in life, you know, that life is, uh, a series of things that you have to do. You wake up in the morning, you have to be at work at a certain time, you try to get to the gym, you try to get this, and then you have, uh, phone calls you have to make, and then you have to, you know, sync your calendar with the other people you're working with, and then there's this and that, and then you're planning for- in two weeks we have that meeting, and this and that, and buh buh buh buh buh buh buh. And you get so caught up in momentum, you never stop to take a breath and look at yourself and look at what you're doing and go, "Is this what I like? Is this what I wanna do? Or is this something that I'm just ... Am I on this, like, sled that's flying down the side of this snow-covered mountain and I don't know exactly how I'm gonna get off of it?"

Tom Green 27:26 Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And you made me think of something. A lot of the places I've been, no cell service.

Joe Rogan 27:31 Mm. Yeah.

Tom Green 27:33 And so it's three days and, like, maybe a text will fire out but there's no video, there's no-

Joe Rogan 27:39 No reading YouTube comments.

Tom Green 27:41 No reading YouTube comments.

Joe Rogan 27:42 How- how nice is that?

Tom Green 27:43 Yeah. There's been a few days where I'll get the, the, the cell service-

Joe Rogan 27:47 And then immediately check the YouTube comments.

Tom Green 27:49 ... and then I'm on it more than a- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:51 (laughs)

Tom Green 27:51 I know. We've talked about this before.

Joe Rogan 27:53 (laughs)

Tom Green 27:53 I- I'm gonna try to adopt that. What is it you said? Post and ghost? I love that.

Joe Rogan 27:56 Post and ghost.

Tom Green 27:57 I- I wanna try to adopt that-

Joe Rogan 27:58 That's my move.

Tom Green 27:58 ... because I have sort of gone the opposite approach. I'm, like, kind of interacting very much with, with, with those comments and-

Joe Rogan 28:05 Well, I'm sure the fans like that, the nice fans.

Tom Green 28:08 I find it kind of a fun, creative exercise. Like, sometimes I'll have, you know, a hater or whatever, and then I'll get into a little thing with him and it's fun. But for the most part I've created kind of a very positive thing. But, but, like, what's fun is just getting away from it, from the phone. But, like what you said is exactly what it's been like going through that. I just love it out there and, and, and-

Joe Rogan 28:29 What have you learned about yourself?

Tom Green 28:32 Definitely that I've been on my phone too much. But, um, I think I- I think one thing that I've learned is that it- it- that I- I actually do pretty well being alone actually. I was- I was worried that maybe I would- would not be able to- Like, I thought- One of the things I was thinking when I started this whole process of planning, it was planned for several months, getting the van, getting all the stuff ready, I thought, "What if I get out there and I can't stand it?" You know?

Joe Rogan 28:58 Right.

Tom Green 28:58 "What if I go two days in, but I gotta go home, I need my shower and my bed?" But- but I actually ... After a couple of days, I just started to really kind of get very relaxed, and you start to kind of feel a very- a nice connection with, with, with nature I guess.

Joe Rogan 29:16 Yeah.

Tom Green 29:16 I mean, you- you know? I'm- I'm going to bed at 8:00 at night, 9:00 at night, waking up at 5:30 in the morning. You know, making my coffee as the sun is rising over a mountain, and so I'm watching the sun rise and- and it's cold. It's cold in the morning up there, man. So especially when I was up in Northern Utah, like-

Joe Rogan 29:37 Mm.

Tom Green 29:37 ... cold. Um, but, um, there's a whole system to keeping the van warm and stuff too, but- but so I don't-

Joe Rogan 29:44 What's this system to keeping the van warm?

Tom Green 29:46 Well, so the first few weeks I didn't have the s- proper insulation on the windows so I- I ordered this stuff that's for the van windows that's-

Joe Rogan 29:55 Do you like glue it to the windows or something?

Tom Green 29:57 Magnets.

Joe Rogan 29:58 Oh.

Tom Green 29:58 It's- it's magnets. You just take it off. It's a nice thick, thick, uh, sort of a ...... padding and-

Joe Rogan 30:03 So, you heat up the van inside, and then you put that up, and it keeps the temperature?

Tom Green 30:06 I put it on first. I just put it on. I put it on. It covers the windshield, the two front passenger, the... all, all windows. They're completely sealed. And then, uh, I start the engine and I, you know, run it. I don't run the gas out, but I, you know, run it for 10 minutes. The thing heats up, and then I just don't open the door. I do that right when it's time to kinda crash.

Joe Rogan 30:25 How long does it keep it warm for?

Tom Green 30:27 Uh, you know, it's warm until I fall asleep, and then I wake up in the morning freezing my butt off. But, (laughs) no, it's, it's not too bad. I mean, I, I, I don't think this would be something that you would wanna go out in the winter in.

Joe Rogan 30:38 Right.

Tom Green 30:39 But, but, uh, but, you know, this time of year, it's, uh... And down here in Texas, it was, it was nice the last, last few days. It's been nice.

Joe Rogan 30:45 There's a guy who's got a video, uh, he, he's living in, out of his van too, doing the same sort of situation. He's very organized, got the whole deal. But he's doing it in Colorado.

Tom Green 30:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:54 And he's in the middle of the winter, like, covered in snow, and does all these, uh, detailed things, like how he gets out of snow and what he does, and-

Tom Green 31:02 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:02 ... how he stays warm.

Tom Green 31:03 Yeah, it's, it's... I, I imagine it would be a lot, uh, less, uh, simple up, up in, in that kind of temperature.

Joe Rogan 31:10 Well, just camping in cold weather is rough. You know, you have to have the right insulated sleeping bag. You have to make sure that you have-

Tom Green 31:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:18 ... yeah.

Tom Green 31:18 Down booties.

Joe Rogan 31:20 Down booties?

Tom Green 31:21 That's my, my new discovery. On the internet, right? This is what's hilarious about the world we're living in now, with the internet and everything, and having access to everything. Before I left, I start researching. Oh, oh, here's a guy talking about winter camping. Down booties, right? They're these little, feathery down things. You can... You put them on your bare feet at night, and you wear them in your sleeping bag, or... And your feet are warm, right? Your feet are warm. So, I start, like, sort of seeing all these little things that, that, uh, "Oh, that'll help." You know, uh, you know, these little products. And you, you go on Amazon, shows up at your house the next day.

Joe Rogan 31:53 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 31:54 Your supplies start building up, you know. But, uh, yeah, I have these down booties, uh, and, uh, and, uh, you know, I've got, I've got nice, uh, you know, merino wool undergarments and things like this, and I think I'm... Is it merino wool?

Joe Rogan 32:08 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 32:08 It's hunting stuff, you know?

Joe Rogan 32:09 Merino's w- wool is great because, uh, when you get wet, it doesn't make you cold.

Tom Green 32:14 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:15 Like, if you get wet in cotton-

Tom Green 32:16 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 32:17 ... and then you get cold, you're in trouble.

Tom Green 32:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:19 Like, the issue is, if you're going somewhere and you're hiking and it's cold out. Well, even though it's cold out, if you're hiking and you're wearing a lot of layers, you're gonna sweat.

Tom Green 32:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:28 But if you sweat and you're wearing cotton, you're in big trouble.

Tom Green 32:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:32 'Cause as soon as you cool off, that wet cotton freezes. It's, feels terrible.

Tom Green 32:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:38 But wool is different.

Tom Green 32:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:39 Wet wool keeps you warm.

Tom Green 32:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:42 Like, you can be in wool and it gets wet, and it's wet still. It's not the most comfortable thing, but you're warm.

Tom Green 32:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:47 It's, it's very interesting.

Tom Green 32:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:49 'Cause, I guess 'cause it's, like, an animal fiber, you know? It's-

Tom Green 32:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:54 ... hair.

Tom Green 32:54 It's, it's, it's, it's been relatively comfortable. There's been a few nights where I've been little colder than I would have liked to have been. But, uh... And a lot of the places right now, I've been right now, I've... it's no fires, 'cause of the, 'cause of the dry...

Joe Rogan 33:06 Mm.

Tom Green 33:07 So, so, there's, you know. But the last week I was, uh, in a place I could have a fire. So, er, keep a nice camp fire going. I've got an ax with me.

Joe Rogan 33:13 Were you in Utah? Where were you?

Tom Green 33:14 I was in, uh, that was up in the Hela National Forest.

Joe Rogan 33:17 New Mexico?

Tom Green 33:17 No, that was the Lin- Lincoln National Forest. Lincoln National Forest.

Joe Rogan 33:20 So, you went to New Mexico, and then you drove your way up to Austin?

Tom Green 33:24 Uh, well, first I... Actually, first... So, one of the most beautiful places I went, by the way, was in Utah. I went to this place called the Valley of the Gods, on the-

Joe Rogan 33:30 Oh, I've heard of that.

Tom Green 33:31 ... on the Navajo, uh, reservation there. Oh my gosh.

Joe Rogan 33:34 Yeah?

Tom Green 33:35 Oh, there's a video of that. I don't know if you have a video of that drone shot. That is, it's like... They shot all the John Wayne movies out there in Monument Valley-

Joe Rogan 33:41 Oh.

Tom Green 33:41 ... and then just down the road is this place called the Valley of the Gods. Look at this place.

Joe Rogan 33:44 Ah, man.

Tom Green 33:44 So, look, look. All alone right there. Look at that.

Joe Rogan 33:47 That's you. Look at that. That's your drone footage.

Tom Green 33:49 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:49 Wow.

Tom Green 33:50 And, you know, a big part of this for me is also looking for places that are gonna pho- photograph well, you know? 'Cause I, I enjoy photography and, and video, so...

Joe Rogan 34:00 Do you have all this stuff on tomgreen.com? Is this on your YouTube channel?

Tom Green 34:03 I put it on my YouTube channel, yeah, yeah. And then I link it to my website.

Joe Rogan 34:06 Wow.

Tom Green 34:06 Yeah, it's on tomgreen.com too, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:08 Wow.

Tom Green 34:08 So, so I get these shots. You can see Charlie chilling out there. Charlie is, like, intrigued by the drone. Like, the first 10 times I've flown it, she just sort of... (laughs) See, she's going under the van 'cause she hears the v- drone coming? She-

Joe Rogan 34:20 Did you call her Chopper and Charlie?

Tom Green 34:22 Uh, no, I, I, I must've just... No, Charlie, uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:25 Did someone call her Chopper? Did I just call her Chopper?

Tom Green 34:28 I don't know. Maybe, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:29 I'm totally being dissed, right?

Tom Green 34:29 That's a good... That's your new nickname. That's your new middle name. Charlie Chopper.

Joe Rogan 34:32 Why did I call her Chopper?

Tom Green 34:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:33 Did someone else call her Chopper outside?

Tom Green 34:36 Yeah, Charlie Charlie, yeah. Na- named after Travels with Charlie, the John Steinbeck, uh, novel.

Joe Rogan 34:42 Oh.

Tom Green 34:42 Travels with Charlie. And if you see on the van, see at the back, you can't read it, but there's a blurry word right above the rear wheel. It's Rocinante, which is what, uh, yeah, right there, which was... Steinbeck called his van Rocinante.

Joe Rogan 34:54 (laughs) Wow.

Tom Green 34:55 Which is named after Don Quixote's horse. So, there's, it's, uh-

Joe Rogan 34:59 Wow.

Tom Green 34:59 ... multiple layers of homages there. But look at that shot. Isn't that amazing?

Joe Rogan 35:02 It is amazing. I love your, your shirt too. That's a very lumberjacky shirt you're wearing in there.

Tom Green 35:07 Oh, yeah. It's warm. It's warm.

Joe Rogan 35:09 Yeah.

Tom Green 35:09 The last shot of this video, I don't know if you can just scroll that ahead.

Joe Rogan 35:12 God, that's so pretty.

Tom Green 35:13 The last shot of this video, I waited for sunset. Oh, here's my... Here's how I take a shower.

Joe Rogan 35:17 So, you can just go out there and camp anywhere you want? Just pull over and camp?

Tom Green 35:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:21 Now, do you have any concern about running into serial killers?

Tom Green 35:24 Well, that's why I got the shotgun, Joe. But, you know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:28 You look like a serial killer.

Tom Green 35:30 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:30 Like, you look like you could... Like, if I was going through there with my family-

Tom Green 35:34 In that shirt, I look-

Joe Rogan 35:34 ... and you were like, "Hello," and you're just waving, I'd be like, "Ah, fuck."

Tom Green 35:38 Yeah, yeah. They don't wanna mess with me.

Joe Rogan 35:39 "Who's this crazy guy?"

Tom Green 35:40 No one wants to mess with me. You know. Yeah, look at that last shot right after this, though. There's this, this sunset. I, I kinda like... Look at those, those buttes in the background. See that?

Joe Rogan 35:47 Oh, it's huge.

Tom Green 35:48 The shot after this one. Just let it, just let it roll, you'll see. Just let it roll, you'll see. But there's... I kinda like to wait for the sun to get these nice shots. So, this is the shot here. Watch this drone shot, it's pretty cool. So, and to kinda get these interesting images, you'll see the sun will go...

Joe Rogan 36:03 Now, what do you strap on the drone? Is it built in with cameras?

Tom Green 36:06 It's got a camera on it. So, this is just... Not even, uh, super... Look. Watch the sun disappear.... and then, and then the music that's playing is music that I made in the van. It's a score. You could, you can play the audio if you want, it's my music, but, uh, it's a score, I'm doing this for the ambient, um, score.

Joe Rogan 36:23 What kind of drugs are you getting?

Tom Green 36:26 You know, nothing too crazy. (laughs) But, uh, so you see the sun pops up-

Joe Rogan 36:32 This is like ocean music.

Tom Green 36:33 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:34 This is like music that I expect to hear about, like a documentary on whales.

Tom Green 36:38 Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. That one's-

Joe Rogan 36:40 You know what I'm saying?

Tom Green 36:40 ... it's kind of a Brian Eno influenced type of, uh, vibe.

Joe Rogan 36:43 Now are you doing a video whenever you feel like it? Are you doing them on a schedule?

Tom Green 36:48 I kind of just am always shooting stuff, and then I'll edit, and sometimes I'll ... The first, the first, the first month, um, I didn't post as much because honestly, I was just trying to figure out how to survive out there, and now I've got a good system, and so I think the videos are gonna start coming a little more fast and furious now, 'cause (overlapping)

Joe Rogan 37:05 Was there a moment where you were like, "What the fuck am I doing?"

Tom Green 37:07 Every day.

Joe Rogan 37:07 "I need to go back to LA."

Tom Green 37:09 Every day. Every day. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:12 (laughs)

Tom Green 37:12 Every day. Every single day, I get up and I say that, for, for real.

Joe Rogan 37:14 Really?

Tom Green 37:14 And I'm not even dr- exaggerating. Every day I get up and go, "What the fuck am I doing?" Um ...

Joe Rogan 37:18 But you keep going.

Tom Green 37:19 Yeah, 'cause I have, I have some, uh, I have some things on the agenda that I want to accomplish, uh, in the next month, uh, in Texas, when I leave here. First of all, I don't know where I'm sleeping tonight. Okay? I don't know where I'm going tonight. Uh, but I'm, I'm, I'm, I have a few little interesting tricks for that too. But, um, if I ever get stuck in a bind, where I've been driving and I haven't found a nice place like that, I'll go to just a straight up truck stop, and I'll wedge in between a bunch of 18-wheelers, crash, get up in the morning, and, you know, start finding my destination. What I've been finding is, I get on these sort of, this sort of pattern where I'll go a couple of days where I don't find a place like that, you know, that's like ... But every three or four days, I'll find a place kind of at that level of beauty, and then I, once I'm there, I'll stay there for four or five days and just really get into it. I'll shoot a lot of video, I'll edit, and then I'll create some music and I'll create some things, and then when I get back to cell service, I'll post, and then I'll go look for the next spot. So my agenda when I leave here today, um, is, um, I'm, I wanna go, uh, around Texas and go find some ghost towns, and ...

Joe Rogan 38:32 Ghost towns?

Tom Green 38:33 Lots of ghost towns in Texas. Lots of them.

Joe Rogan 38:35 Really?

Tom Green 38:35 There's, apparently there's 500 of them. You know-

Joe Rogan 38:37 500 ghost towns?

Tom Green 38:39 Back in the silver mining and gold mining days-

Joe Rogan 38:42 Oh.

Tom Green 38:42 ... when they built the railroads, uh, first of all the silver would dry up, the town would dry up. So there's these towns that are just, uh, you know, dilapidated, broken down towns in the middle of the-

Joe Rogan 38:53 Didn't Kim Basinger buy one of those?

Tom Green 38:55 Mm-hmm. She did, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:56 She did, right?

Tom Green 38:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:57 In Georgia, right?

Tom Green 38:58 I think so, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:59 And sh- I don't want ... She must have been losing her marbles.

Tom Green 39:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:02 Like, why would she buy a ghost town?

Tom Green 39:04 Yeah, I don't, I don't know but, you know, there's a real sort of beauty to it because ... So there's two things I've been doing that I found I really enjoy, and they're new things so I can't speak to them, like, with total detail, but I'm, uh, you know, next time I talk to you I'm gonna have a lot more information about this. The other thing is, um, uh, native ruins of, uh, like, uh, like, there is, there is unbelievable amount of Native American ruins out there in the desert in New Mexico.

Joe Rogan 39:31 Hmm.

Tom Green 39:31 And the reason I was in the, in the Gila National Forest, I went to, um, the, uh, the cliff dwellings that were built by, uh-

Joe Rogan 39:39 The Anasazi?

Tom Green 39:40 Yeah, those, tho- the Anasazi is in Colorado.

Joe Rogan 39:43 Oh, okay.

Tom Green 39:44 And this, but it's g- it looks just like that.

Joe Rogan 39:46 Same kind of thing?

Tom Green 39:46 It's exactly like that. And, uh, so there's, uh-

Joe Rogan 39:48 Are they the Navajo then?

Tom Green 39:49 They were the, uh, the m- m- magolan Indians, they were called. Uh, i- in 1280 they built this.

Joe Rogan 39:56 Whoa.

Tom Green 39:57 And so that video is, that is a clip of that, um-

Joe Rogan 40:00 1280?

Tom Green 40:01 Yeah, there's a clip of that, in the Arizona one there's a clip of that, and these are, like, first of all very remote, um, that was right actually where we saw the javelina, it was right after I went there. There are 50 rooms in this thing, built out of stone, up on a cliff. Uh, they've created an ... So but, it was built in 1280, and then not discovered by, and that, the park ranger told me this, uh, last week. Yeah, right here.

Joe Rogan 40:29 Wow.

Tom Green 40:30 That's just sitting there.

Joe Rogan 40:31 Not discovered until when?

Tom Green 40:31 Not discovered until 1874.

Joe Rogan 40:34 Holy shit.

Tom Green 40:35 Right? 1874, and so they discovered this and, uh, it wasn't until a few years later that, uh, Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt made it a national monument, so in the period between 1874 and I think 1907, it got looted a bit. When they found it, it was full of pottery, it was full of all this artifacts and stuff. That got looted, that's gone. But there's some things in there that were really interesting that they did discover, like they discovered, uh-

Joe Rogan 41:00 Oh.

Tom Green 41:01 ... a macaw feather. This is, this is pretty beautiful place.

Joe Rogan 41:03 This is wild.

Tom Green 41:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:05 And you, you're, this is all dr- drone footage, right?

Tom Green 41:08 No, this is me shooting with my, my handheld camera actually.

Joe Rogan 41:10 So you're allowed to walk around up there?

Tom Green 41:12 Yeah. So they have a nice, uh, it's really set up nice, it's a, there's a, you, you drive in on a nice paved road, and then there's a national park, uh, faci- state park or national park? It's the Gila National Forest facility there. Um, national park facility I believe, but, um, and, uh, there's some, some, uh, rangers there, and some, some people with knowledge of the history, and then they have a nice maintained path that walks up. It's a sh- you know, sh-

Joe Rogan 41:42 Were there people up there looking at it with you?

Tom Green 41:44 There was, on that day, uh, I saw the sun was kind of going down there, and there were two other people.

Joe Rogan 41:50 That's it?

Tom Green 41:51 And, and they walked up ahead of me, yeah. National monument, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:53 Gila quift- cliff dwellings.

Tom Green 41:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:55 In the Gila Wilderness. The Gila Wilderness is where they have some of the best elk hunting in the world.

Tom Green 41:59 Yeah. Yeah, there was a lot of hunters out and, uh, and I saw some elk, I saw some elk.

Joe Rogan 42:04 Did you?

Tom Green 42:05 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:05 You hear them screaming?

Tom Green 42:06 I didn't, I did not.

Joe Rogan 42:07 No?

Tom Green 42:07 But, uh, but, uh, that's, the, they, they were ... The thing that I noticed about the elk, which, well, just the one time I saw them was they were ... I was driving, so I was driving a-... very remote sort of ... I'm not going, I'm n- I'm not taking any interstates. I never take an interstate. All the way from LA, the whole way to here, I, I, maybe was on the 10 for, like, maybe a couple of miles, just to get from one highway to another. (inhales) So you take the smaller highways and then you see, like, these towns, these places that, you know, went away when the railway was built somewhere else-

Joe Rogan 42:45 Hmm.

Tom Green 42:45 ... or when they put the interstate somewhere else the town dried up, and then there's these, these towns that are just kind of half-alive and fledgling towns, and there's just a real beauty there to it, right? So, you know, from a photography standpoint, you know, like, there's a lot of nice architecture and things that is just really interesting, so. But, uh-

Joe Rogan 43:03 So you consciously made a decision at the beginning of this journey to not take any interstates?

Tom Green 43:07 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:08 Hmm.

Tom Green 43:08 'Cause I wanna, I wanna go find these places that are off the beaten track and, and, and, and photograph them really. But so I was coming around a corner and there was a herd of elk. And they were sort of in the distance and they were running, like playing with each other. Have you ever seen it? Like, th- there was, one was running and then they were, like, running around-

Joe Rogan 43:28 Wait, how long ago was this? How long ago was this?

Tom Green 43:29 Oh, like seven days ago or something.

Joe Rogan 43:32 Oh, okay.

Tom Green 43:33 A week. A week-

Joe Rogan 43:33 So it wouldn't be the rut. Um, the rut is in September.

Tom Green 43:37 Yeah, they were running. I didn't-

Joe Rogan 43:38 Sometimes they late rut in October.

Tom Green 43:40 Yeah. So w- one, there was one was running and I thought they were horses for sure, 'cause I just thought, "Well I've never seen..." Then it was fast, really fast, like, cross this, it was a sort of-

Joe Rogan 43:49 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 43:49 ... farmer's field.

Joe Rogan 43:50 And they were playing with each other?

Tom Green 43:52 Yeah. And then I could, then the car pulled up and I pulled up my car and they immediately stopped and looked at me and walked off into the woods. But, but, uh, yeah, it was, it's, uh, it's, it's beautiful out there, man. But yeah, ghost towns, that's, that's where I'm going after this, I'm gonna go try to find some ghost towns and, uh, and photograph those. And, and I'm writing, you know, I, I, I write in the van. I'm working on things that I'm working on, you know? Uh, you know, I'm, I'm not just completely off the grid. I mean, I'm writing an animated series right now that I'm sort of working on, so I, I'm on my computer sometimes.

Joe Rogan 44:23 An animated series?

Tom Green 44:24 Mm-hmm. Yeah. There's this, I, I, I'm working with this great company out of Ottawa, my hometown, called Mercury Filmworks, and they're, uh, they actually animate Mickey Mouse and all sorts of stuff for Disney, the big, big animated, uh, pro- uh, company. And so I'm writing a, a fun show about a, a crazy kid who likes pulling pranks and, and, uh, you know? And so-

Joe Rogan 44:46 Oh, about you?

Tom Green 44:47 Yes. It's called Little Tommy Green.

Joe Rogan 44:49 Write a show about you?

Tom Green 44:50 It's called, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:50 Oh, boy. How on the nose is that?

Tom Green 44:52 It's like a Dennis the Menace, you know? But he goes out and, you know, pulls pranks on his parents and does a lot-

Joe Rogan 44:56 Hmm.

Tom Green 44:56 ... of the kinds of things I did, so. But, uh, but, you know, so I'm writing that and, uh, and just kinda ... You know, it's interesting, I've found that, like, I can kinda do everything that I would do at home in the van, you know? With this electrical system, you know? So it's-

Joe Rogan 45:11 Yeah.

Tom Green 45:11 ... pretty, pretty neat. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:13 You seem like you're in a good place. Like-

Tom Green 45:16 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:16 ... it's, seems like it's been tricky, but you, uh, I mean, I'm getting the impression that you're really enjoying this.

Tom Green 45:24 I am, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:24 Is this gonna extend?

Tom Green 45:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:26 How long are you gonna do this for?

Tom Green 45:28 Uh, this is, this has been a, this is a very good question. Um-

Joe Rogan 45:31 Is this your new life?

Tom Green 45:33 It's possible.

Joe Rogan 45:33 Really?

Tom Green 45:34 I'm not selling my house or anything. I'm, I'm, I think what I'll do is ... I mean, I bought the van. It's, I didn't rent it for a quick one-off trip, you know? And, and, and I've put a lot of time into it and I am enjoying it. And, uh, you know, one thing is I've always loved photography. I, I'm bringing a Leica, uh, film camera as well, so I'm shooting a lot of still photography as well. And it's nice to have something to take a picture of, you know?

Joe Rogan 45:58 Hmm.

Tom Green 45:58 It's nice to go somewhere interesting. So I'm enjoying that. Um, but I think that, I think that what I'll probably do is, you know, when life gets back to normal, whenever the fuck that is, right?

Joe Rogan 46:11 Yeah. What is normal anymore?

Tom Green 46:12 Yeah. Um, part of my plan is to, you know, when I start touring again, doing standup again, I think I, I might take a few less airplanes, uh, in, in the future and be in the van a little bit more and tr-

Joe Rogan 46:25 So like say if you have a gig, if you decided to do standup in Utah, you might drive there?

Tom Green 46:28 I'm thinking I might start to talk to, you know, the way I book it about sort of doing more of a road trip type run of, like, in a straight line-

Joe Rogan 46:36 Hmm.

Tom Green 46:36 ... as opposed to going, "Oh, I'm in, you know-

Joe Rogan 46:38 Right, right.

Tom Green 46:38 ... you know, Seattle this week and, and Boston next week."

Joe Rogan 46:40 Right, we don't have to fly around.

Tom Green 46:41 Maybe we have to do an East Coast run or do a ...

Joe Rogan 46:42 Yeah. That's smart.

Tom Green 46:43 So, so I'm thinking that it might be something that I do. I mean, I, uh, I, I, I'm not, I'm not, uh, moving into my van full time, but I definitely do, do love it.

Joe Rogan 46:51 But you're moving in that direction it seems like.

Tom Green 46:53 Look y- I, I, it's interesting what you say I believe is, is true because, uh ... Can I have a little more coffee?

Joe Rogan 46:59 Yeah. Get in there, fella.

Tom Green 47:00 Um, by the way, this is the way I make coffee too. I make coffee with this thing. This is not a endorsement or anything but it's a pretty cool product, it's called a Jetboil.

Joe Rogan 47:11 Yeah, I use Jetboils.

Tom Green 47:11 Yeah. Those are great, huh?

Joe Rogan 47:13 Yeah, they're great for hunting.

Tom Green 47:14 Yeah. So 'cause I don't wanna use my battery, so I, I boil my water and then I make my coffee (bell dings) and then I pour it into a thermos.

Joe Rogan 47:22 Mm.

Tom Green 47:23 And I've got my coffee all day and my hot coffee in the thermos all day.

Joe Rogan 47:25 It's amazing that it stays hot.

Tom Green 47:26 So if y- And I was thinking about that.

Joe Rogan 47:28 Modern technology.

Tom Green 47:29 Thinking about that exact thing, I'm going, is the techno- has thermos technology changed-

Joe Rogan 47:34 Oh, yeah.

Tom Green 47:34 ... since ... In Canada I was a kid you'd take a thermos to hockey 'cause we'd play outside on outdoor rinks and you'd bring a thermos of hot chocolate. We didn't ...

Joe Rogan 47:44 Yeah. Well when I was a kid we used to ice fish and we used to bring hot coffee-

Tom Green 47:47 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 47:47 ... out onto the lake. Yeah.

Tom Green 47:48 I never did much of that.

Joe Rogan 47:50 It's, uh, it's fun. It's not as fun as regular fishing but when you're living in a place like Boston and it's just-

Tom Green 47:56 Yeah. Were you in the, in the hut on the-

Joe Rogan 47:58 No. We were just out there.

Tom Green 47:59 ... straight up?

Joe Rogan 47:59 Yeah.

Tom Green 48:00 What were you fishing for, uh, pike or?

Joe Rogan 48:02 ... trout, usually.

Tom Green 48:03 Trout?

Joe Rogan 48:04 Yeah. Pike too, though.

Tom Green 48:05 Oh.

Joe Rogan 48:05 Yeah. Pike are pretty active in cold weather. But, uh-

Tom Green 48:08 You do much fishin' these days?

Joe Rogan 48:09 I do when I can, when I can. Yeah, just, u- unfortunately, ever since I moved to Austin, it's been kinda playing catch-up and gettin' everything set up. And, you know, just, I'm still not totally moved ... I mean, I'm moved in, but I'm not totally settled in. But I'm pretty close.

Tom Green 48:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:24 Yeah.

Tom Green 48:25 Didn't catch much trout growing up, mostly large-mouth bass and pike-

Joe Rogan 48:29 Yeah.

Tom Green 48:29 ... was where I would, what I would fish for, but, but yeah, thermos technology, I don't know if it's changed, but it's amazing.

Joe Rogan 48:35 Oh, yeah. Yeti flipped the fucking game on its head.

Tom Green 48:38 Really?

Joe Rogan 48:38 Yeah. Yeti coolers are amazing. I have a Yeti cooler that I take when I hunt, and you can put ice in that Yeti cooler in the summer-

Tom Green 48:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:45 ... and seven days later, you'll have ice.

Tom Green 48:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:48 It's bananas. They're crazy. I, I, I took a video that I put on my Instagram of, uh, we shot deer in Hawaii.

Tom Green 48:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:56 Shot axis deer in Hawaii. Put the, you know, they, they put the thing in the cargo, the, you seal up the Yeti and got it all the way back to LA, left it outside overnight. Then, the next day at noon, I opened it up and it was filled with ice.

Tom Green 49:11 Okay.

Joe Rogan 49:11 Like, I mean, like rock solid ice.

Tom Green 49:13 Okay.

Joe Rogan 49:14 It's crazy how good those things-

Tom Green 49:15 That's better than-

Joe Rogan 49:16 ... insulate.

Tom Green 49:16 That's better than ... I just have a regular thermos for my coffee, but, uh, that's pretty amazing. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know how-

Joe Rogan 49:22 The coolers are way better, the thermoses are better. Those, uh, you know, Yeti makes those tumblers, they'll keep your coffee hot, like literally all day. S- I don't know what they're doing, some voodoo, but it's fucking amazing.

Tom Green 49:33 I loved in the, I love the, uh, the sock foot, uh, walk in, when you did the, when you were with Steve.

Joe Rogan 49:41 Oh, yeah, when you're sneaking up on deer, you gotta take your shoes off.

Tom Green 49:43 Is that something that you've done before? Uh-

Joe Rogan 49:45 Yeah. Yeah. Uh, my friend Remy Warren calls it an SOS, a shoes off situation.

Tom Green 49:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:50 Like, when you're, when you're closing in on, uh, particularly on mule deer.

Tom Green 49:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:54 Mule deer are very sensitive to predators. Elk are not nearly as sensitive. Elk hear a lot of noise. They're ... Elk are a big animal.

Tom Green 50:01 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:01 And, you know, they're worried about mountain lions and bears and stuff like that. But, you know, they're, they're a little less worried than the smaller animals are. So, mule deer are particularly worried, so they're very jumpy. They're always like, like listening around and their ears are twisting and they ... If you snap a branch, they'll, they'll pop up and start running.

Tom Green 50:22 Was that a ... Obviously, that was a fun day with you and, uh, Steve out there. But, like, what was, was ... That must have been ... That was in Nevada, was it?

Joe Rogan 50:29 Yeah, that was in the Nevada high country, we were hunting mule deer. We struck out.

Tom Green 50:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:34 But, uh, I got real close a couple of times to deer, just didn't really get a shot.

Tom Green 50:38 Did you feel ... Is it kinda, sorta nice sometimes when they get away? I mean, like-

Joe Rogan 50:42 Yeah.

Tom Green 50:42 'Cause you feel like-

Joe Rogan 50:42 It is, because, well, it's a luxury, because I'm living in a first world country and I have access to food and I'm not starving and, you know, so it's a, it's a luxury that I can enjoy the fact that they got away.

Tom Green 50:55 'Cause this is something that I've been grappling with a little bit, because like I said, I'm not a hunter or haven't ... But, but now I am hunting, but I haven't actually seen anything, so I'm just looking. I'm just saying, when I'm saying I'm hunting, I'm just-

Joe Rogan 51:06 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 51:07 ... I'm looking for something.

Joe Rogan 51:08 You're looking for birds, right?

Tom Green 51:09 And, and, and in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, grouse or quail-

Joe Rogan 51:12 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 51:12 ... I can probably, you know, wrap my head around that.

Joe Rogan 51:15 Shooting one of those?

Tom Green 51:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:16 Yeah.

Tom Green 51:16 'Cause first of all, you know, I'm eating raw onions and, and, and, and canned beans out there. I'm not cooking onions, but, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm-

Joe Rogan 51:24 Yeah.

Tom Green 51:25 That would be pretty tasty, you know, a nice-

Joe Rogan 51:27 Sure.

Tom Green 51:27 ... nice chicken out there, you know? A nice, uh, wild chicken. But the thing is, is I also kinda know I'm never gonna find one, because I don't know what I'm doing, right? So, like, and I don't have the ... I think you really need dogs that are trained to rouse the birds out, so-

Joe Rogan 51:39 Not necessarily.

Tom Green 51:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:40 No. You, you, you ... There's a lot of birds that you can get if you just-

Tom Green 51:44 So, I've done some research, okay? So, to, to ... I went to, I went to, uh, this was a top of a mountain. Where was this? Uh, this was ... I've been on the road for a while, but it was, you know, the, the, the ... I know the, the, the dusk, the, the dusty grouse-

Joe Rogan 52:01 Mm-hmm.

Tom Green 52:02 ... is native to the, the, this certain elevation in the W- Wasatch Plateau. That's where I was. The Wasatch Plateau in Utah. And, uh, went up there.

Joe Rogan 52:12 I don't think that's how you say it.

Tom Green 52:13 Wa- Wasatch or-

Joe Rogan 52:14 I think that's it, yeah.

Tom Green 52:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:16 Wasatch.

Tom Green 52:16 I'm sure. Yeah, I just, I just-

Joe Rogan 52:17 I don't know how to say it either.

Tom Green 52:17 ... I just read the sign when I drove up the road. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:19 Yeah. Beautiful country though, huh?

Tom Green 52:21 Oh my God, yeah. And they're in the aspens and so, you know, I walked up ... But there was a moment where I was walking through the aspens looking for the, uh, the dusty grouse and, uh, you know, didn't see one and then there were three beautiful deer standing there like, you know, as far as Jamie away, looking at me. I'm standing there with my shotgun, looking at them. I'm just like, "I don't know what I'd do with you guys, but I am pretty hungry right now, but I'll let you guys, uh, let you guys go."

Joe Rogan 52:52 (laughs)

Tom Green 52:52 And then keep going looking for my bird, but, but, uh, so I don't know. I don't know that I would ever have even really, uh-

Joe Rogan 52:58 Want to shoot a mammal?

Tom Green 52:59 ... a mammal for some reason, yeah. I don't know if I ever would.

Joe Rogan 53:01 But you eat them.

Tom Green 53:02 Yeah, no, I know. And I've, I've heard you talk about this and I agree with it too.

Joe Rogan 53:05 Yeah.

Tom Green 53:05 But, but, but, but, but I just don't know that's I'd be able to do it, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 53:09 You would definitely be able to do it if you had to for food.

Tom Green 53:12 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:13 And I'm sure you would develop a different sort of a relationship with the animal. You would think that you're, you're very appreciative of them, but you'll, you'll develop this real predator-prey relationship with animals if you need to survive.

Tom Green 53:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:30 You know? I've, I've talked about this many times on-

Tom Green 53:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:32 But unfortunately, I'm gonna talk about it again. There's a fantastic series that VICE Guide to Travel did, um, back in the day. It's quite a few years old, at least eight years old, I think. It's called, um, Heinmo's Arctic Adventure.

Tom Green 53:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:46 And it's a guy, um, I think his name is Heinmo Koeth, I think that's his last name. And he lives up in the middle of nowhere-

Tom Green 53:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:55 ... in Alaska.

Tom Green 53:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:56 And he actually has a license to be in this particular area, or a permit to be in this particular area that no one else can ever have a house in there again. He's like grandfathered in.

Tom Green 54:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:08 ... and all this guy does is, uh, go out and subsistence hunt. So, he goes out and hunts caribou, he goes out and he fishes-

Tom Green 54:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:17 ... and that's all he does. That's, that's his whole life. And this guy has this incredible connection to, to life and to, to his food, but he's also a very articulate, intelligent man. So when he talks about it, he's able to talk about it in a way... This is the guy right here.

Tom Green 54:35 Wow.

Joe Rogan 54:36 So, he's got all of his food, and it's frozen. See, that's his cabin. That's where he lives.

Tom Green 54:40 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:41 And he's been out there since, I think, since the '70s.

Tom Green 54:44 Man.

Joe Rogan 54:45 And-

Tom Green 54:45 This is where I'm headed for the show?

Joe Rogan 54:46 ... super f- yeah, I think so.

Tom Green 54:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:48 Super fucking healthy and really robust-

Tom Green 54:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:51 ... this guy. Um, didn't find out about 9/11 until quite a while afterwards, and I think he found out from a photograph.

Tom Green 54:58 Oh my gosh.

Joe Rogan 55:00 Yeah, and he lives up there, um-

Tom Green 55:02 It's like one of those-

Joe Rogan 55:02 ... with his wife.

Tom Green 55:04 ... Japanese soldiers they found in the woods af-

Joe Rogan 55:06 Sort of.

Tom Green 55:07 ... in the '60s, you know?

Joe Rogan 55:08 Right, right.

Tom Green 55:09 What?

Joe Rogan 55:09 They still thought the war was going on.

Tom Green 55:10 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:11 But this guy, uh, he's got a really interesting way of describing what he thinks is great about this life.

Tom Green 55:18 Wow. Wait, what's, where do I find this? This is amazing.

Joe Rogan 55:20 It's, uh, Vice Guide to Travel.

Tom Green 55:22 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 55:23 Um, yeah, there it is, Surviving Alone Alaska.

Tom Green 55:25 Wow.

Joe Rogan 55:26 Heimo, Heimo, uh, H-E-I-M-O Korth.

Tom Green 55:30 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 55:30 That's how you say it, K-O-R-T-H.

Tom Green 55:33 Wow.

Joe Rogan 55:33 Yeah.

Tom Green 55:34 Yeah, I watched that show Alone actually, which I loved. Have you, you ever watch that show?

Joe Rogan 55:37 Yes, yeah.

Tom Green 55:37 That show was amazing.

Joe Rogan 55:39 Yeah.

Tom Green 55:39 So I kinda was, that was something I was getting in my head. And the w- I don't know if it's the latest season, but the one guy who got the moose and like-

Joe Rogan 55:45 Jordan Jonas, right?

Tom Green 55:46 Yeah, that guy.

Joe Rogan 55:47 Isn't that his name? That's the guy who's been on the podcast.

Tom Green 55:49 Yeah, and, and he, like, made a fishing net out of rope, and I was-

Joe Rogan 55:52 Yeah.

Tom Green 55:53 ... like, that was incredible. But, uh, no, it's just something, something amazing about it, for sure. But, so, yeah, yeah. It's... And by the way, like, first of all, I, I, I, I, I believe I said congratulations already, uh, off camera, but how cool is this, man? Thank you. Congratulations.

Joe Rogan 56:09 Thanks, buddy.

Tom Green 56:10 I, uh, you know, I'm super, uh, uh... It doesn't make sense to say proud of you because, I mean, what the fuck does that mean? But, you know, like, I am though. I mean, like, I just, I, I think it's so cool, and I sent you a text right after the l- after you announced your Spotify deal, and I was just thinking like, nobody has ever done that before. You know, like, like, in the history of all broadcasting. You know, I said, you know, Johnny Carson was a guy who we all looked up to back in the day, had everybody watching him. It was a different world. Television was, you know, three networks. Everybody watched Johnny. He was a guy who became this very successful person off of traditional media, but to, to do what you've done is just so incredible, and I just... Congratulations.

Joe Rogan 56:57 Thanks, buddy. Thank you.

Tom Green 56:57 You know, it's definitely something that, you know, I, I, uh, you know, we talked about this before, but I always thought, "Man, you could do that. You could do that. You could be the biggest show and not be on network TV." I always believed that, and, uh, thank you for, for, for proving it because it's, like, it's so cool, and I love the studio, by the way. It's, uh-

Joe Rogan 57:19 Well, thank you for being a pioneer, man, because you gave me some of the-

Tom Green 57:22 I mean, I'm a real pioneer now. I'm living in a log-

Joe Rogan 57:24 (laughs)

Tom Green 57:25 ... chopping wood for, for dinner.

Joe Rogan 57:27 But you were a pioneer of this 'cause you gave me the seeds of the earliest ideas about doing a podcast when-

Tom Green 57:33 Well, and you've been very kind with, with, when you've said these things to me o- over the years and last time, but, but, you know, what I, what I find amazing about it that I never was able to figure out, I was into the technology and LFI. I was never really able to figure out what is so amazing, what I- I've watched you figure out, is you've really made a show that really captures the interest of, uh, people. You know, a l- huge population of people love what you guys talk about on the show, and that's what's, what's really cool, you know? Uh, you know, just, just, I mean, how did you determine that, like, you know, I, I, I, I just watched your interview with Kanye. I just watched your interview with Alex Jones, and I'm just, I'm just seeing all these subjects that I see sw- swirling around, and I'm going, "Well, that's the kinda stuff that, like, when I go down a rabbit hole on the internet, like, I wanna, I want to, you know, learn about these-

Joe Rogan 58:25 Yeah.

Tom Green 58:25 ... things." Was there a moment where you realized, oh wait, like, if I talk about, you know, X, Y, or Z, that's really capturing people's attention? Or was it just-

Joe Rogan 58:35 Never.

Tom Green 58:36 It was just what you were interested in?

Joe Rogan 58:37 Yes.

Tom Green 58:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:37 Never for a second.

Tom Green 58:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:39 Never for a second have I said, "This is gonna capture people's interest."

Tom Green 58:42 Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 58:43 Never. Everything has been like, "Ooh, I wanna talk to that guy. Oh, that guy said he was in, uh, uh, uh, a navy air- uh, a navy jet and he was tracking a UFO, Commander David Fravor?

Tom Green 58:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:54 Ooh, I wanna talk to him."

Tom Green 58:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:56 "Oh, Bob Lazar said he worked on alien technology in Area S4? Oh, I wanna talk to him."

Tom Green 59:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:01 "Oh, this guy said he saw Bigfoot," or, "That guys says he's working on life extension and figuring how to lengthen your telomeres," or, "This guy knows how to," you know, what- whatever it is, whatever they're, they're figuring out, the age of the universe or people are just, you know, people that are writing books or people that are, you know, former military people or people that are... Whatever they are. If, if I find them interesting... I like people. I'm a big fan of people. I like talking to all kinds of different people. I like the way their brain thinks. I like comparing the way people's brain thinks. I like, I like sorta, like, just seeing how they view the world, 'cause the way you view the world is the way you personally view the world, but it's very much influenced by the things that you've found attractive about the way the other people that you run into see things. Like, we are not individuals in the sense that we're autonomous, completely alone, without any influence whatsoever from the outside world. We are, we have multi-influences. We're constantly being influenced by our envi-... That's why your env- where you live is so important. And one of the things that I found in moving from LA to Austin...... is that where you live, it makes a big impact on the amount of stress you have and how you feel. I feel so much better here. Just right away. Disconnected from Hollywood, disconnected from, you know, traditional forms of show business. But also, the people here, the people here are different.

Tom Green 1:00:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 They're more relaxed.

Tom Green 1:00:31 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 They're regular people.

Tom Green 1:00:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 Chappelle and I were having a conversation about this last night.

Tom Green 1:00:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 And he was like, we, we were talking about how, like, people here in Austin, they're real people.

Tom Green 1:00:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 They're not people that are trying to get famous, and people that are trying to, you know, get on television shows and do movies. And there's a weirdness to that life. And some of the people that do that, were- are really cool.

Tom Green 1:00:55 Yeah, sure.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 Like, there's a, it's, it's rare and nice when you run into a guy like Chris Pratt.

Tom Green 1:00:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 Who is a super famous guy, he's in the movies, but could not be more genuine, genuine. Could not be more down to earth.

Tom Green 1:01:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 Could not be more normal and friendly. Super great guy. Just happens to be a big movie star. But that's rare. Most of the people that want that life, they're all kinda wacky and fucked up. And you, you, you're in their world, with their energy, and they infect all the people around them. They infect people that are in the service industry, managers, agents. There's this fucking hive of weirdness. Out here, there's none of that.

Tom Green 1:01:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 There's none of that. And almost immediately, I felt a lowering of stress level.

Tom Green 1:01:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 Almost immediately.

Tom Green 1:01:38 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 And then, the people that you deal with, like, whether it's someone who's working at the counter at Walgreens or, uh, a restaurant, they're so nice. They're so friendly.

Tom Green 1:01:48 And so, because early on in your show, you had the confidence to just do your own thing, right? You, you created your own thing. You didn't have, you know, these sort of tentacles coming down, telling you, "Oh, you can't interview that person."

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 Yeah.

Tom Green 1:02:02 That let, that allowed you to just talk to the people that you found interesting and-

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 Well, in the beginning. (laughs)

Tom Green 1:02:07 ... you happened to be interested in interesting shit. And then, all-

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 Yeah, but in the beginning, nobody wanted anything to do with it. That's what's hilarious. Like, my agent, in the beginning, didn't wanna have anything to do with this podcast.

Tom Green 1:02:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 They didn't want, they were like, "What are you do- you're wasting your time." Like-

Tom Green 1:02:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 Because back then, like, 2,000 people were w- watching.

Tom Green 1:02:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Or listening.

Tom Green 1:02:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 It was, nobody was listening.

Tom Green 1:02:25 Yeah, I remember with mine, I was trying to tell people, "Hey, this is gonna be a thing."

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 Yeah, I know, they're like, "Get the fuck out of here."

Tom Green 1:02:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 "We're busy with movies, kid."

Tom Green 1:02:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 They, they were busy.

Tom Green 1:02:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 So, luckily, in the beginning, when I maybe could've used a little help getting guests or doing things, or getting advertisement or something like that, they didn't get involved. Because if somebody had gotten involved, they would've definitely told me to not do things that have turned out to be very successful. Like, I'm sure they would've told, told me to not interview controversial people, or to not interview people that you're, you know, you're gonna get critif- criticized for specific topics.

Tom Green 1:02:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 Or, you know, specific people that are writing books that may, you know, m- ruffle a bunch of people's feathers. And I wanna know what they think. I wanna know why they think the way they think. I wanna ask them questions.

Tom Green 1:03:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 And there's a lot of people that don't think you should do that. And, you know, and, and they'll, they'll be the gatekeepers to your, the informu- information that you take in, and the conversations that you have and you distribute. And it's not good. That's not, like, if you talk to someone and it was a mistake, well now you know. But at least you know. You talked to them. If someone tells you it's a mistake to talk to someone, but you wanna talk to them, and then you start thinking, "Oh, let me run it by Mike and the team."

Tom Green 1:03:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:36 And then the team, they'll sit around, thinking about their mortgage.

Tom Green 1:03:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 They sit around and think about whether or not you could get in trouble, and that could ru-

Tom Green 1:03:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 ... that could eventually lead to them having a decrease in their income. And then they start to fucking play it safe.

Tom Green 1:03:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 I've seen that, man.

Tom Green 1:03:51 Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 I've seen that with stand-ups, I've seen that with people. Like, I, there's people that, you know, they have podcasts, and they have a bunch of people that are there at the studio telling them to talk about different things. Telling them to pick different subjects. Telling them, "Let's move on." Like, I've seen that.

Tom Green 1:04:08 Where-

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 I've seen, in the middle of a podcast, someone say, "Um, let's, let's move on. You guys are on this subject, let's move on." Who the fuck are you?

Tom Green 1:04:15 Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 Let's move on? Some, some guy standing on the outside that gets some sneaky paycheck that he doesn't really deserve-

Tom Green 1:04:23 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 ... is now saying, "Let's move on." Holding a clipboard as if it, like, it, like, what are you doing?

Tom Green 1:04:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 Get the fuck out of here.

Tom Green 1:04:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 It's two people talking. And if they decide to move on, they'll move on. But people that like, "Oh, uh, uh, uh, wha- bring up this. Bring up that." Like, bring up this? Who are you?

Tom Green 1:04:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 Why are you here? But that's what they do.

Tom Green 1:04:44 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:04:44 If you've ever gone to like, I went to, I did, um, what's that guy's name? The, the sports guy. Bill Simmons. I did his show on HBO.

Tom Green 1:04:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:52 He's a great guy. Really interesting guy, and I, I love the way he does his podcast. But I did his HBO show, dude, and you're surrounded by people.

Tom Green 1:05:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 It's me and him sitting in a booth just like this, but there's fucking people there, and there's people there, and there's people walking around the set. It's distracting, and there's people standing around. They got notes and clipboards, and there's camera people everywhere.

Tom Green 1:05:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 And you're like, "What, this is not necessary."

Tom Green 1:05:15 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 You have a hundred people here.

Tom Green 1:05:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Or, 20.

Tom Green 1:05:19 Yeah, sure.

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 You have 20 people here.

Tom Green 1:05:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:20 You need one.

Tom Green 1:05:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:21 You need one person.

Tom Green 1:05:22 And then managing all of those people becomes a bigger priority than actually the content.

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 And then you have inter-office politics take place.

Tom Green 1:05:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 You have relationships with people. I mean, e- not, not even, s- I don't mean relationships like boy/girl, boy/boy, girl/girl. I mean like-

Tom Green 1:05:37 Boss.

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 ... friends and, yeah, and then weirdness and, you know.

Tom Green 1:05:41 Egos, and then the bosses.

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 Egos, yes.

Tom Green 1:05:42 And they've got ego, and then, oh, they, the, then, then they're mad at the, the talent 'cause the talent's getting more attention than they are.

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 Blah. Blah.

Tom Green 1:05:47 And it's, everyone's like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 No one would have ever let me do this show.

Tom Green 1:05:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 They, they would never.

Tom Green 1:05:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 No one would have ever let me.

Tom Green 1:05:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 And it's not by design that I did it this way. It's not like I see what they don't see and I'm gonna do this. It's like, I didn't wanna listen.

Tom Green 1:06:02 All right, so-

Joe Rogan 1:06:02 It's like, get outta here. Fuck off. I'm gonna do what I wanna do.

Tom Green 1:06:05 ... where do you ... You had that confidence in, and just straight up sort of (claps) just sort of, you didn't give a fuck, and you just did it.

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 Yeah.

Tom Green 1:06:14 Where do you think that came from? How do you think-

Joe Rogan 1:06:15 Fear Factor money.

Tom Green 1:06:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 That helped.

Tom Green 1:06:18 You're probably into the Fuck You, Fear Factor, Fucking Money-

Joe Rogan 1:06:19 I had a little bit of Fear Factor money in the bank.

Tom Green 1:06:21 Uh-huh. Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 Where I'm like, "If this shit completely hits the fan, (dishes clanking) you know, I can just sorta live off that."

Tom Green 1:06:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:28 And also, I don't... I've never been very good with the whole, uh, boss, someone telling you what to do. If I did that, if I was good with that, I would never have become a stand-up.

Tom Green 1:06:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 I woulda, I've never done most of the things that I've done. And I certainly would have... No, no thank you, I'm good. I certainly woulda never been able to, uh, do the podcast this way. If I brought people aboard, and, and there was a certain point in time where people... We were talking about it before the show, that people did wanna come onboard.

Tom Green 1:06:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:53 And I