Joe Rogan Experience #1570 - Willie D & Mike Judge

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. MJMike Judge0:02

      (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Willy D and Mike Judge, together at last.

   3. WDWillie D0:16

      (laughs)

   4. MJMike Judge0:16

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Good to see you, man.

   6. WDWillie D0:17

      Absolutely.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      You're the first guy in the studio to bring his own headphones, the first guy ever in 1,500 shows.

   8. WDWillie D0:22

      I- is that right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      Yeah.

   10. WDWillie D0:23

       Oh, man. Well, you know that where there's a will, there's a way. (laughs)

   11. MJMike Judge0:27

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Well, they fit too. They're- they're-

   13. WDWillie D0:29

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       ... they're- they're unique.

   15. WDWillie D0:30

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       And, uh, Mike, you just happen to be rolling with Willy, so you're here today as well.

   17. MJMike Judge0:34

       Yes, thanks for having me.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       My pleasure, man. Um, I wanted to get m- get ahold of you and find the good spots in Austin anyway, man. You've been here for a long time, right?

   19. MJMike Judge0:42

       Yeah, since '94. And I'd come down here a lot before that. Lived in Dallas.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       What's going on with Beavis and Butt-Head?

   21. MJMike Judge0:51

       Uh, it's, uh, it's coming back. Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       It- it really is?

   23. MJMike Judge0:54

       Yeah. In fact-

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Wow.

   25. MJMike Judge0:55

       ... that's why I'm gonna have to split in a little while for some Zoom meetings. But, uh, yeah, no, it really is. Yeah, we're doing a ... I think, uh, I think it's gonna be good. I'm excited about that.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Dude, I was a gigantic fan of Beavis and Butt-Head. Right around the time I started smoking pot-

   27. MJMike Judge1:09

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       ... was when I really got into Beavis and Butt-Head at the same time.

   29. MJMike Judge1:13

       Yeah, that- a lot of ... We had a lot of stoners that liked it. Also, a lot of people talking about it, like hat- watching it after you come home from a bar, that sort of thing.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       Yeah, it was one of the silliest shows ever.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Was it pancreatic cancer?…

   1. WDWillie D15:00

      the announcement, his health deteriorated-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      Was it pancreatic cancer?

   3. WDWillie D15:03

      ... really fast. Uh, I think... What was it? Yeah, I think it was.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      That's one of those ones that-

   5. WDWillie D15:10

      Yeah. It was, it was pancreatic.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      (sighs) That's one of those ones that gets you quick.

   7. WDWillie D15:14

      Yeah. Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      (clears throat) That's, that's a bummer. How did you guys all get together?

   9. WDWillie D15:19

      Very carefully.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       (laughs)

   11. MJMike Judge15:23

       (laughing)

   12. WDWillie D15:23

       So-

   13. MJMike Judge15:23

       (laughs)

   14. WDWillie D15:25

       ... I started off as a solo artist. I was writing some songs for the Geto Boys new album. This is the first encar... Well, not even the first encarser- incarnation of Geto Boys, but this is like one of the incarn- one of the incarnations. (laughs) So the group has changed members several times. By the, by the time that I wrote these songs for the group, they had changed members maybe about three times. So he asked me, Jay asked me, J Prince asked me to write some s- some songs for the new album. And I wrote Let a Hoe Be a Hoe and Do it Like a G.O. Prince Johnny C didn't want to perform those songs. Well, he didn't want to perform Let a Hoe Be a Hoe, he was married.

   15. MJMike Judge16:13

       (laughing)

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       (laughs) By the way, I quote that.

   17. WDWillie D16:17

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       I quote... Yeah. I told you when I met you.

   19. MJMike Judge16:18

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       That's one of my... I've, I said that on the podcast at least 30 times.

   21. WDWillie D16:22

       Yeah. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:22

       Whenever someone says something, I'm like, "Let me quote the great Willie D, 'You gotta let a hoe be a hoe.'" (laughs)

   23. WDWillie D16:26

       Real talk, man. That go a long way.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       (laughs)

   25. MJMike Judge16:29

       (laughs)

   26. WDWillie D16:29

       A- and, and that's male and female.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       Yes.

   28. MJMike Judge16:31

       Yes.

   29. WDWillie D16:32

       You know?

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       Yes.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Oh. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      that are known for street fights 'cause when you're fighting in the streets, a lot of times, you're fighting people that don't actually know how to fight. But me-

   2. MJMike Judge30:05

      Oh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      ... as a person who's a, a fight fan who had done martial arts my whole life, I was looking at Will. I was like, "He knows how to fight." Like, you could just see by the way you're moving, that's it. Not, not some good camera work, but-

   4. MJMike Judge30:17

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:18

      ... but clear.

   6. MJMike Judge30:20

      Yeah.

   7. WDWillie D30:20

      Yeah. It was a clean punch. So, so Mel, for, like, maybe five years, him and his manager would call and say, "We want a rematch." And I was like, uh, you know, like, "The first one was for charity, you know? I'm gonna have to get paid if you want to..."... you, you want to get your, you wanna get that rep restored, bro, you gonna have to pay for it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:44

      (laughs)

   9. WDWillie D30:44

      You know, I'm not gonna do it for free. But, look, when I, when I look back at it, I wish it was somebody else that, that, that, that I had the squabble with, right? 'Cause Mel is a good dude. I like Mel, I like his team, I like his people. They good people. So, but, you know, f- for a while though, but we was going back and forth. I was like, "Man, you, you know, I know what, I know what happened and I know what you want to do." (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       (laughs)

   11. WDWillie D31:09

       "So if you want, if you, if you want to get back in the good graces of The Knockout Artist, man, you gonna have to, you gonna have to pay for that." So, uh, we never could, you know, work out a number that-

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       But you had a legit boxing past though.

   13. WDWillie D31:23

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       What was your, what was your, your boxing history? You had won-

   15. WDWillie D31:27

       Golden Gloves.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:27

       ... Golden Gloves events.

   17. WDWillie D31:28

       '84.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       Yeah.

   19. WDWillie D31:29

       Texas.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:30

       Yeah. So you had a leg- how much, how many fights did you have?

   21. WDWillie D31:33

       32.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       See? That, there's no substitution for that. There's no substitution for that. If you've actually been in there 32 times and you got a guy who's good at fighting, I'm sure he's a tough guy, but that's a mismatch, that's a...

   23. WDWillie D31:46

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:46

       When y- you had that kind of discipline, that had to play a part in your rap career, because to get that good as a boxer, you gotta put that time in when you don't want to.

   25. WDWillie D31:57

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:57

       You have to grind.

   27. WDWillie D31:58

       Yeah. You know, my, my greatest motivation was just changing my lifestyle 'cause I come from insufficient, insufficient living, insufficient love, insufficient clothing, insufficient housing, you know, insufficient, uh, care. Everything was insufficient, except the bad stuff. I wanted out. I was like, "I got to change this trajectory. I don't like it and I'm not going to bring my children into this world like this. I'm not gonna bring my children and put my children at a social disadvantage."

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:47

       Mm-hmm.

   29. WDWillie D32:48

       So this is why it was very important for me to get some money first, before I started having children, you know? And, a- if somebody's already in that position then it's already happened and y- you didn't plan it out the right way, but as soon as you can, you gotta get it right, you gotta make it right, because children don't ask to come into this world. And you bring these children into this world and a world of insufficient, you know, living even and, and, and insufficient love is even worse. Because if you got sufficient love, love will make you grind so hard that you'll get it. You know? Because once you give life, life is bigger than yours, and them children, you realize is more important than whatever that it, it is that you want to do. And you look at... And really, when you put that energy into that and you let that be your driving force, you actually become a greater person, because you... It, it's like n- 'cause y- your, your motivation is bigger than you.

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:50

       Mm-hmm.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Without ever having to…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      you can learn the terrible lessons from other people without having to do it.

   2. WDWillie D45:03

      Without ever having to do it.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      Yeah.

   4. WDWillie D45:04

      If you stick your hand in the fire and it burn you, why in the hell would I stick my hand- (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      Yeah.

   6. WDWillie D45:10

      ... in that fire and it let, let it burn me unless I wanna be burned?

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      (laughs)

   8. WDWillie D45:14

      So that's why I, you know, these, these ... The gang thing, I, you know, I could never get with it. I've never been a gang member, so I don't know what these guys be thinking. I don't know what they, what they be thinking, man. But I just don't see an upside to it. I just ... It has a terrible retirement plan.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:37

      (laughs)

   10. GUGuest45:37

       (laughs)

   11. WDWillie D45:38

       You know, most of the dudes-

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:41

       (laughs)

   13. WDWillie D45:41

       ... most of the dudes are killed before they're 30 or maimed. They have a extensive criminal history. Their, their opportunities are severely limited because of the record. People are afraid to do business with them. You know, it's li- it's just way too much and I just feel f- I just figure like, you know, well, I'm just gonna go ahead and avoid that. Plus, I'm a Black man in America. It's all kind of ways to get killed in here. It's all kind of ways to die already, all right? Okay, we ... Besides, like, s- you know, like natural stuff like natural death, diabetes, cancer, lupus, uh, you know, obesity, all these type of things, right, that can kill you. Stroke. You got accidents, you know, might get hit by a car or something like that. Uh, you got domestic disputes. Why would I say, "Man, you know what? I need one more motherfucking thing to die-

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:47

       (laughs)

   15. WDWillie D46:47

       ... to help me rush this death."

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:49

       (laughs)

   17. WDWillie D46:49

       "I gotta get there, baby. I gotta get there. (smacks lips) I'm gonna join a gang."

   18. GUGuest46:54

       (laughs) .

   19. WDWillie D46:56

       I'm trying to eliminate the things-

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:58

       Yeah.

   21. WDWillie D46:59

       ... that can, that can kill me. I'm trying to avoid those type of things. Why would I walk right into something?

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:07

       But again, a lot of people do. Like, what, what ... Where did you get the wisdom? Like, you've, uh ... The way you think right now, this ... Have you always thought this way, where you plot ahead and look at things like you're playing 3D chess?

   23. WDWillie D47:20

       I, I did to an extent, but I got a lot better at it in my 20s, like late 20s. I got really better. Go- And the reason why I say that is because, uh, the trip part about it is that, like, there are dudes that are my age that tell me, "Man, you was like a big brother to me." You know, because I've been knowing them since we were like teenagers or-

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:42

       Mm-hmm.

   25. WDWillie D47:42

       ... early 20s or whatever, and I've always been just a few steps ahead in, in, you know, seeing what was going on-

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:50

       Yeah.

   27. WDWillie D47:51

       ... you know, watching, you know? So ... But I, I still had some things that, that I had to learn. Uh, primarily conflict resolution. Conflict resolution, it should be taught in schools.

   28. JRJoe Rogan48:05

       I agree.

   29. WDWillie D48:06

       Uh, Americans have a big problem with conflict resolution. It should be taught in schools. Any of you politicians out there, y'all wanna work on a bill with me, come on with it. I'm down. Conflict resolution should be taught in schools, because I, I remember being on stage, man, and somebody would like heckle, like ... And it'd be like, oh, it would be a dude, always a dude.

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:32

       Mm-hmm.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      on the way.

   2. WDWillie D1:00:01

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      (laughs)

   4. WDWillie D1:00:01

      I'll give you the however.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      (laughs) However is just as good.

   6. WDWillie D1:00:06

      Somehow, you know, however seems to not be as brutal as a but. But is like (slaps hands) , you know, like dead on.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:12

      However's got more, more comedy, comedic flair.

   8. WDWillie D1:00:15

      But however is more subtle. It's kinda subtle.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      However. (laughs)

   10. WDWillie D1:00:17

       However.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

       (laughs)

   12. WDWillie D1:00:20

       I, I think that it's possible to walk and chew bubblegum, right? So, for me-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       Mm-hmm.

   14. WDWillie D1:00:26

       ... I just, I look at it like walking and chewing bubblegum. Like I, I can do both. I can, I can give the information to the people that want it-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       Yeah.

   16. WDWillie D1:00:37

       ... and that's cool about it and keep it moving. But every now and, uh, you know, every now and then, I can take a little, quick pause and make him feel worse than he already feels.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

       (laughs)

   18. WDWillie D1:00:50

       Like (imitates buzzer) boop, boop, block, boop.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       (laughs)

   20. WDWillie D1:00:54

       Uh! Destroyer! Look, look, one, one- (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       (laughs)

   22. WDWillie D1:00:59

       O- one day, uh, I was at this restaurant in Houston and this white dude, he probably about, you know, 35 or something, you know-... round about that white terrorist age. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       (laughs) White terrorist age? (laughs)

   24. WDWillie D1:01:15

       White terrorist. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       Timothy McVeigh age.

   26. WDWillie D1:01:17

       White domestic, white domestic terrorist age.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

       (laughs)

   28. WDWillie D1:01:20

       He comes walking up to me, right? He's like, "Hey, man. You Willie D?" And I... And so he's... S- first thing I do is I take a step and I'm, and I'm watching-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

       (laughs)

   30. WDWillie D1:01:33

       ... everything now. I'm really intense. I lock in on him. And I say, "Yeah." He say, "Hey, man. Hey, man. I'm the one on Fa- that was on Facebook, man. You know, you told me, you told me my kids were ugly."
6. 1:15:00 – 1:22:20

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      started out with, like, 15 minutes on the treadmill and next thing you know, I'm doing two hours." (laughs) So he's doing- (laughs)

   2. WDWillie D1:15:04

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:04

      ... two hours on the treadmill. He gets in tremendous shape and then someone says, you know, "Would you, would you box?" He says, "Aw, I'm not, I'm not boxing anybody." And then they go, "What about for $30 million?" He goes ... What? 30 million? Yeah. And so he dec- is this today? Is that what they're each getting?

   4. WDWillie D1:15:20

      No, it's his shirt, I-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:21

      Jack. Oh, wow.

   6. WDWillie D1:15:22

      Said he lost almost 100 pounds.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15:24

      That's incredible. How did he- Yeah, he was probably pushing 300 pounds at one point. Not when I saw him. Not 11 months ago, he wasn't. No, not ... Probably overall. No, he was- Oh, he looks ... But 11 months ago, he was probably about, like, maybe 250 or something like that, so he definitely lost about 30 pounds. But ... So the distance between us is because he was so amped up. It was like a different human being. Mm-hmm. The first time, we were smoking weed, he's relaxed. (laughs) You know, he's got Tyson Ranch now. He's selling his own weed. By the way, strong as shit. (laughs) His weed is like his punches. They're no fucking joke. (laughs) So first, first podcast we did, we got barbecued, we had a great time. I'm like, "Holy shit, I'm getting high with Mike Tyson." Second podcast we did, he was so intense and we were talking about, like, great conquerors and shit, he was talking about all these different things and I'm like, "I'm nervous in the room with him." (laughs) Like, he's so amped up. Like, his forearms, you could s- (gasps) . His whole body changed. Like, he's, he's like he's got golf balls under this, this forearm muscle. He had just been training and you could tell. He's, he's like Mike Tyson of old. His mindset, whether or not he's physically capable of it, his mindset is like the Mike Tyson of old. It was legitimately nervous to be in the room with him, 'cause I was just like, "Wow." Like, he's, he's ready. He's ready to go right now and I'm like, "You know what? I'm gonna make my table a little wider." (laughs)

   8. WDWillie D1:16:50

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:16:50

      Because if I was (laughs) , if I was, like, if I was even closer to him than this, 'cause this is the exact distance of the old table. (laughs) But the new table's, like, I'm gonna make it about, like, a foot closer. But if I was a foot closer to Mike like this, I'd probably be nervous. (laughs) I'd be more nervous. So it wasn't COVID or anything. (laughs) It was actual- No, it was, it was Mike Tyson. (laughs) He was so intense. I'm like, "In order for me to do my best job of, uh-" (laughs) "... communicating with people, if, in, in case I'm across from some, you know, like, amped up killer like Mike Tyson." (laughs) You know, you just natu- I mean, it's not like a thing where he's gonna hurt me, but you, you get nervous. I mean, he, he ... And Jamie said it best after he left. You were like, "That is a totally different person."

   10. WDWillie D1:17:33

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:17:34

       Yeah. I was nervous. You were nervous, too? (laughs) I wasn't that close. I know, man. He's amped up.

   12. WDWillie D1:17:39

       I'm trying to find this video.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:17:41

       See if you can, like, lock the room with him.

   14. WDWillie D1:17:41

       I'm trying to, I'm trying to surprise you with this video, man, if I can find it. Uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:17:45

       Is it of him?

   16. WDWillie D1:17:46

       No, no, no. This is something else.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:17:47

       He's, uh- Might have to run out and get it. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Mike, thank you very much.

   18. WDWillie D1:17:51

       Well-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:17:52

       N- next time I'll have you come in by yourself. I, I'd, I'd love to see it then. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

   20. WDWillie D1:17:55

       Well, we gonna do dinner, uh, six o-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:17:56

       Oh, yeah.

   22. WDWillie D1:17:57

       Six o'clock.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:17:57

       Okay. Beautiful. Yeah, well, I'll see, I'll see y'all later, yeah.

   24. WDWillie D1:17:59

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:17:59

       Awesome. Well, thank you, Mike.

   26. WDWillie D1:18:00

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:18:00

       Thank you, man.

   28. WDWillie D1:18:01

       All right, Mike.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:18:01

       All right. Mike Judge, ladies and gentlemen. Mike Judge. But yeah, so that's, that's the reason why this, this table is so far apart. I'm interested, 'cause you know Evander Holyfield wants to fight him, too. And Evander Holyfield has been steady training ever since Mike decided to come out of retirement. And I've been watching that. I've been paying attention to E- Evander's social media.

   30. WDWillie D1:18:23

       I think th- that this is going to awaken a lot of sleeping giants.

Episode duration: 3:01:36