Joe Rogan Experience #1570 - Willie D & Mike Judge

1. 0:02 – 0:35

   Welcome to the studio: Austin roots, unique headphones, and two cultural icons collide

   1. MJMike Judge0:02

      (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Willy D and Mike Judge, together at last.

   3. WDWillie D0:16

      (laughs)

   4. MJMike Judge0:16

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Good to see you, man.

   6. WDWillie D0:17

      Absolutely.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      You're the first guy in the studio to bring his own headphones, the first guy ever in 1,500 shows.

   8. WDWillie D0:22

      I- is that right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      Yeah.

   10. WDWillie D0:23

       Oh, man. Well, you know that where there's a will, there's a way. (laughs)

   11. MJMike Judge0:27

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Well, they fit too. They're- they're-

   13. WDWillie D0:29

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       ... they're- they're unique.

   15. WDWillie D0:30

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       And, uh, Mike, you just happen to be rolling with Willy, so you're here today as well.

   17. MJMike Judge0:34

       Yes, thanks for having me.

2. 0:35 – 1:55

   Mike Judge on reviving Beavis and Butt-Head—and why it hit stoners and late-night audiences

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:35

      My pleasure, man. Um, I wanted to get m- get ahold of you and find the good spots in Austin anyway, man. You've been here for a long time, right?

   2. MJMike Judge0:42

      Yeah, since '94. And I'd come down here a lot before that. Lived in Dallas.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:48

      What's going on with Beavis and Butt-Head?

   4. MJMike Judge0:51

      Uh, it's, uh, it's coming back. Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:53

      It- it really is?

   6. MJMike Judge0:54

      Yeah. In fact-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:55

      Wow.

   8. MJMike Judge0:55

      ... that's why I'm gonna have to split in a little while for some Zoom meetings. But, uh, yeah, no, it really is. Yeah, we're doing a ... I think, uh, I think it's gonna be good. I'm excited about that.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:04

      Dude, I was a gigantic fan of Beavis and Butt-Head. Right around the time I started smoking pot-

   10. MJMike Judge1:09

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       ... was when I really got into Beavis and Butt-Head at the same time.

   12. MJMike Judge1:13

       Yeah, that- a lot of ... We had a lot of stoners that liked it. Also, a lot of people talking about it, like hat- watching it after you come home from a bar, that sort of thing.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       Yeah, it was one of the silliest shows ever.

   14. MJMike Judge1:24

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       It was ridiculous.

   16. MJMike Judge1:25

       Now everyone will be drinking at home and getting stoned. Well, you always get stoned at home, so...

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       (clears throat) And Willy-

   18. WDWillie D1:30

       You'll be stoned everywhere, right?

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       I've been a fan of the Geto Boys-

   20. MJMike Judge1:33

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       ... since the very beginning.

   22. WDWillie D1:34

       Yes.

   23. MJMike Judge1:34

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       So when I- when I first met you in Houston ... I rarely geek out, but w- when I met you, I mean, I've ... Dude, when I used to deliver newspapers, I used to listen to Geto Boys while I was delivering newspapers.

   25. WDWillie D1:43

       I didn't know you d- delivered newspapers.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       Yeah.

   27. WDWillie D1:45

       We got something in common. Man, we got something that's in common.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:47

       You did that too?

   29. WDWillie D1:48

       Well, I delivered newspapers, and I also sold door-to-door subscriptions-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:52

       Oh.
3. 1:55 – 4:47

   Origins of Geto Boys and early hip-hop memories: from Sugarhill Gang to Houston pride

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:55

      I did, uh, the Boston Globe and the Boston Herald. When did you guys start? When did Geto Boys start?

   2. WDWillie D2:01

      Uh, the incarnation that everybody know right now is m- myself, s- Scarface, and Bushwick, with Ready Red. We started in '89, but the group actually was formed in '87.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:13

      Wow. That's a d- man, 1980, 'cause you gotta think, like, when was Sugarhill Gang? That was '81?

   4. WDWillie D2:22

      That's, like, '83.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:23

      '83.

   6. WDWillie D2:25

      Yeah. I think it was.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:25

      Dude, you were there-

   8. WDWillie D2:26

      No, no, no, no. More than a- l- less than that. Oh, no, no. Sugarhill Gang, '79.

   9. MJMike Judge2:30

      Yeah, that was-

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:30

       Wow.

   11. MJMike Judge2:31

       ... I was in high school.

   12. WDWillie D2:32

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:33

       '79.

   14. WDWillie D2:34

       Yeah, that's right, '79.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:35

       So you were there in the earliest days of hip hop?

   16. WDWillie D2:38

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:39

       That's an amazing thing to be a part of, like when an art form emerges.

   18. MJMike Judge2:45

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       You know, there's ... Like, how- how many people can say that they were there when an art form emerged?

   20. MJMike Judge2:52

       Yeah, as a fan-

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       Yeah.

   22. MJMike Judge2:53

       ... I was, uh, I, like ... 'Cause I was into blues, but that was all before I was born. And then, and then when this stuff was happening while we were alive, watching it, it was just really cool to see.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:02

       I was in, uh, Jamaica Plain. I was, uh, I guess I was in, like, seventh grade or something like that. And Jamaica Plain was a suburb of, uh, of, uh, Boston. And I was in school and some kid had a beatbox that he brought to school and he was playing Sugarhill Gang. I've n- I've never for- I'll never forget this. I was like, "Wow, that's different."

   24. WDWillie D3:22

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:22

       And that was the beginning.

   26. WDWillie D3:24

       Man, that Sugarhill Gang, man. I remember I used to play football for the, uh, for, uh, Hester House. It was a f- it's a, uh, community center in Fifth Ward, and I used to play for the Houston Cowboys. (laughs) Go figure.

   27. MJMike Judge3:39

       (laughs)

   28. WDWillie D3:39

       Right? So we, we played in the, uh, Astrodome. That was a big deal, you know. That's what- what the, where the Houston Oilers played at. And so I remember being on the bus and the whole team singing that song. They played the song and everybody was singing it word for word. That's my greatest experience when I think about that song. Like, everybody knew every single word. I mean, you had to know the word, every single word to the song, s- uh, or else you wasn't cool. It's kinda like knowing every single word to, uh, Mo City Don Freestyle, you know, by Z-Ro f- in Houston. Like, if you don't know that song-

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       What song is that?

   30. WDWillie D4:19

       ... you're not a, you're not a Houstonian.
4. 4:47 – 7:15

   Censorship battles in rap (and TV): Tipper Gore, 2 Live Crew, and industry crackdowns

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:47

      But you were there, like, you were there when hip hop was also getting censored too. Remember those, the Tipper Gore days? Like, a lot of people don't remember.

   2. WDWillie D4:56

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:56

      Al Gore's wife-

   4. WDWillie D4:57

      Tipper Gore. I can't stand you, girl. Don't get your head knocked off like Daniel Pearl.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:02

      (laughs)

   6. MJMike Judge5:02

      (laughs)

   7. WDWillie D5:02

      From what I hear on the streets, you a big old freak. What gives you credibility to be the moral police?

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:08

      (laughs)

   9. WDWillie D5:08

      Sharp as a crease, impetuous as the, as the Middle East. Sit on your ... What? What? Oh, okay. I'm ... Forget it.

   10. MJMike Judge5:16

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       (laughs)

   12. WDWillie D5:17

       Hey, but I- I had it, man. I had it for a moment. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:21

       (laughs)

   14. MJMike Judge5:21

       (laughs)

   15. WDWillie D5:21

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:21

       People forgot that Al Gore's wife was trying to censor hip hop.

   17. WDWillie D5:25

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:25

       Like, people ... You know, the ... A lot of times, people think of, like, the right wing as being the people that try to censor speech, but back then, it was Tipper Gore that was on this, uh, she was on this mission.

   19. MJMike Judge5:36

       Yeah.

   20. WDWillie D5:37

       Uh, Parent ... What was it? Parents for Music something censorship.

   21. MJMike Judge5:44

       Yeah, there were several of the ... There was Morality and Media.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:47

       Yeah, that's right. That's right.

   23. MJMike Judge5:48

       They went after Beavis and Butt-Head too, but not like this.

   24. WDWillie D5:50

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:50

       Well, then they went after 2 Live Crew. Like, that's when things got serious 'cause that act- that actually went to court.

   26. MJMike Judge5:55

       Yeah, that's right. Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:55

       That was crazy. Like, pe- people that don't remember, like, you- you know, there's- there's some people in this country that are-... on, they were on the front line of censorship and 2 Live Crew was one of the big ones.

   28. WDWillie D6:09

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:09

       Like, they, they went to court in Florida, Broward County. And Broward County, they could... They have crazy laws in Florida, they, they put people in jail for all kinds of weird shit-

   30. WDWillie D6:18

       Mm-hmm.
5. 7:15 – 9:14

   Record-industry retaliation: distribution refusals, Rick Rubin’s remake, and ‘We Can’t Be Stopped’

   1. WDWillie D7:15

      I- I- I... The Geto Boys was, was the first group to have a manufacturer decline or to say that... Uh, you know, decline, uh, uh, the distribution of our music.

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:32

      Really?

   3. WDWillie D7:32

      We were the first group in music history where your- a manufacturer ha- said, "We're not gonna press."

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:38

      Which album?

   5. WDWillie D7:39

      That was the, uh, Geto Boys, uh, self-titled album.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:43

      Wow.

   7. WDWillie D7:44

      Yeah, that was '92. That was the Rick Rubin remake. So we did the... It was the Grippin on That Other Level album, right? So it was like a remake of that with two extra songs that Rick Rubin, uh, produced. And the other songs were, like, songs that he, um, kind of just kind of remixed a little bit, but they had the same sound for the most... So, so sonically, they were pretty much the same, but there was two new songs added. So that's when we changed the name of the group to G-E-T-O, the, the spelling of the group.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:17

      Hmm.

   9. WDWillie D8:18

      G-E-T-O from G-H-E-T-T-O. But yeah, you know, uh, the funny thing was that... Well, it wasn't funny at the time, but... Well, it still ain't funny. Um-

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       (laughs)

   11. WDWillie D8:29

       (laughs) You know, the- these, this, uh, Geffen Records, David Geffen, he decided that he was not going to distribute our music, but he was cool with distributing Andrew Dice Clay-

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:45

       Ah.

   13. WDWillie D8:45

       ... and, and, and Guns N' Roses.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:49

       Ah.

   15. WDWillie D8:49

       And, you know, you know what type of music these guys were doing at that time. We talking about 1990. You know? So, of course, I mean, we, we was like, "Yeah, man, this is, this is censorship and we know why." Wink, wink. You know? We know.

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:06

       Yeah.

   17. WDWillie D9:06

       You know? So, so we, we hi- That's when we came with the We Can't Be Stopped album.

6. 9:14 – 14:29

   The ‘We Can’t Be Stopped’ album cover story: Bushwick Bill’s shooting and a spontaneous classic

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:14

      That album cover.

   2. WDWillie D9:15

      Yeah.

   3. MJMike Judge9:16

      (laughs) Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:17

      Jesus Christ. When you see Bushwick Bill with a, a patch over his eye-

   5. WDWillie D9:21

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:21

      ... in the hospital gurney and you guys are rolling with him behind and that's the album cover. Look at that.

   7. WDWillie D9:26

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:26

      I mean, come on.

   9. MJMike Judge9:28

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:28

       That is classic.

   11. WDWillie D9:30

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:31

       That is a classic album cover.

   13. WDWillie D9:34

       We can't be stopped.

   14. JRJoe Rogan9:35

       (sighs) And Bushwick's on the old school cell phone. (laughs)

   15. WDWillie D9:39

       Yeah.

   16. MJMike Judge9:39

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       The brick.

   18. WDWillie D9:40

       And that's, and that's done... That was done, like, totally spontaneously, you know?

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:46

       Wow.

   20. WDWillie D9:46

       Like, we didn't... We... It was totally unplanned, 'cause we had finished the album and then Bushwick gets shot. And this would ha- this would happen a lot with B- Bill. Like, Bill could get a job done and, like, if he had something major to do, he'd get it done. But then after he get it done, you know, it's just something starts going on, some stuff just starts happening.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:10

       (sighs)

   22. WDWillie D10:10

       So we had finished the album and, you know, get a call Bill got shot. Go up to the hospital, immediately in my mind... This is my cowboy Western days, me- mind you.

   23. MJMike Judge10:22

       (laughs)

   24. WDWillie D10:23

       I'm thinking revenge, like, "I don't care who shot him, who shot... Who..." You know? Like, "Let's get him." So I get to the hospital, I go into the room and Bill is laying there and he's kind of... He's dazed, but he's conscious and he's like, "Will, don't hurt her." (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:47

       (laughs)

   26. MJMike Judge10:47

       (laughs)

   27. WDWillie D10:47

       "I made her do it." So it's like... (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       Your Bushwick Bill impression is wrong.

   29. MJMike Judge10:52

       I know. It's- (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:53

       It's so wrong.
7. 14:29 – 15:15

   Loss and legacy: Joe’s regret not interviewing Bushwick Bill and his rapid health decline

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:29

      One of my great regrets is not having him on the podcast. He was reached, they reached out, whoever was representing him, reached out. And I had a, you know, I, I, my shit gets... I book it myself. I do it on my phone.

   2. WDWillie D14:41

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:41

      So I have months in advance and I'm trying to coordinate shit. And it took a couple weeks for me, me to find a date and I got ahold of them again. But then he was sick.

   4. WDWillie D14:50

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:50

      He was real sick. He was in the hospital and they said he couldn't travel anymore.

   6. WDWillie D14:53

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:53

      And then shortly after, he died.

   8. WDWillie D14:55

      Yeah. It, it, it happened fast. Like once he started, like once he made the announcement, his health deteriorated-

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      Was it pancreatic cancer?

   10. WDWillie D15:03

       ... really fast. Uh, I think... What was it? Yeah, I think it was.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:08

       That's one of those ones that-

   12. WDWillie D15:10

       Yeah. It was, it was pancreatic.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:12

       (sighs) That's one of those ones that gets you quick.

   14. WDWillie D15:14

       Yeah. Yeah.

8. 15:15 – 28:40

   How Willie D joined Geto Boys—and how he turned Bushwick from dancer to rapper

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      (clears throat) That's, that's a bummer. How did you guys all get together?

   2. WDWillie D15:19

      Very carefully.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:21

      (laughs)

   4. MJMike Judge15:23

      (laughing)

   5. WDWillie D15:23

      So-

   6. MJMike Judge15:23

      (laughs)

   7. WDWillie D15:25

      ... I started off as a solo artist. I was writing some songs for the Geto Boys new album. This is the first encar... Well, not even the first encarser- incarnation of Geto Boys, but this is like one of the incarn- one of the incarnations. (laughs) So the group has changed members several times. By the, by the time that I wrote these songs for the group, they had changed members maybe about three times. So he asked me, Jay asked me, J Prince asked me to write some s- some songs for the new album. And I wrote Let a Hoe Be a Hoe and Do it Like a G.O. Prince Johnny C didn't want to perform those songs. Well, he didn't want to perform Let a Hoe Be a Hoe, he was married.

   8. MJMike Judge16:13

      (laughing)

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:14

      (laughs) By the way, I quote that.

   10. WDWillie D16:17

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       I quote... Yeah. I told you when I met you.

   12. MJMike Judge16:18

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       That's one of my... I've, I said that on the podcast at least 30 times.

   14. WDWillie D16:22

       Yeah. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:22

       Whenever someone says something, I'm like, "Let me quote the great Willie D, 'You gotta let a hoe be a hoe.'" (laughs)

   16. WDWillie D16:26

       Real talk, man. That go a long way.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       (laughs)

   18. MJMike Judge16:29

       (laughs)

   19. WDWillie D16:29

       A- and, and that's male and female.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       Yes.

   21. MJMike Judge16:31

       Yes.

   22. WDWillie D16:32

       You know?

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       Yes.

   24. MJMike Judge16:32

       Yes.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       True. I'm glad you said that.

   26. WDWillie D16:34

       Yeah. So I write the songs. Jay give them a ultimatum, "Look, man. Y'all perform these shows or go solo, but this is the direction I'm taking the group." Prior to that, the first incarnation of the Geto Boys had more like a Run-DMC style of rap. Jay wanted more southern H-Town Houston experience, so that's what I gave him. And he liked it, the people around him liked it. And he decided, "I'm gonna take the group in this direction." So when he gave him the ultimatum, Johnny C decided that he didn't wanna do it, but he did perform on the original Do It Like a G.O.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:20

       Hmm.

   28. WDWillie D17:23

       Juke Box decided that he wanted to do it. So the first day of going into the studio to, to create this new group and this new sound, I didn't know Brad, Scarface. I didn't know him at all. I had met Bill before 'cause me and Bill had a run-in before, so I had met him before. Well, I didn't really meet him. Uh-

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:51

       What kind of run-in?

   30. MJMike Judge17:52

       (laughs)
9. 28:40 – 40:54

   Discipline, boxing, and escaping ‘insufficient living’: Golden Gloves to life philosophy

   1. JRJoe Rogan28:40

      When, uh, w- where'd you get this belief in yourself? Did this come from boxing? 'Cause a lot of people don't know, you're a really good boxer.

   2. WDWillie D28:46

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan28:46

      And I remember, there was, uh, we talked about this when I met you, that one of the things that I, I didn't know that you were a boxer until I saw that rapper versus rapper boxing event they put on. And you, was it Marley Marl?

   4. WDWillie D28:58

      Marley Mar- I mean Melly, Melly Mel.

   5. JRJoe Rogan29:00

      Melly Mel.

   6. WDWillie D29:00

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan29:01

      I forget who it was.

   8. WDWillie D29:02

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan29:02

      You fucked that dude up. That was a r- that was wrong. Like, that was, uh-

   10. WDWillie D29:06

       Well, it, it, it-

   11. JRJoe Rogan29:06

       ... whoever, whoever set that up-

   12. WDWillie D29:08

       Well, it, it was either him or me, you know? (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan29:10

       I understand, but it wasn't-

   14. WDWillie D29:12

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan29:12

       ... either him or you.

   16. WDWillie D29:13

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan29:13

       As soon as-

   18. MJMike Judge29:14

       But he had won a bunch before that though, hadn't he? Hadn't he won a bunch of those?

   19. JRJoe Rogan29:17

       That's correct.

   20. WDWillie D29:17

       Oh, no, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

   21. JRJoe Rogan29:18

       But when you watch this, look at the way he's holding his hands and look at Willie.

   22. MJMike Judge29:22

       (laughs) Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan29:22

       This is not a, this, this is a terrible fight. Like, if I was in the guy's corner, I would have thrown in the towel as soon as I saw him holding his hands up.

   24. WDWillie D29:29

       Well, it wasn't one of my greatest, my greatest, uh, e- exhibitions, but, uh, it was effective, you know?

   25. JRJoe Rogan29:35

       Well, you could tell right away that you really knew how to box.

   26. WDWillie D29:38

       But he was... Mel was unorthodox, so, so it was kind of like it was... It took longer to really, like, zero in on what I wanted to do with him.

   27. JRJoe Rogan29:47

       Well, he's a big strong guy.

   28. WDWillie D29:48

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan29:49

       When you, you see him moving, you can tell he's athletic and he hits hard, and you... But you were setting it up.

   30. MJMike Judge29:56

       Wasn't he known for street fights, you said, or something like it? (clears throat)
10. 40:54 – 53:40

    Hard lessons and survival: near-misses, gangs, conflict resolution, and ‘cowboy days’ on tour

    1. WDWillie D40:54

       I'm gonna tell you a story that, I'll tell you a story I've never, never told publicly.

    2. GUGuest41:01

       Ahem.

    3. WDWillie D41:01

       In the mid-'80s there was some cab killings in Houston that it was killing cab k- cab drivers, right? The guys who were involved, who started it, came to my house first to get me to go with them to hit a lick. We poor. We in the hood. You know? Like everybody need money. Some of us, we're not gonna eat, you know, if we don't go out there and kill something. Not literally kill a person, but kill something, you know, so that we can, that we can, um, nourish our bodies, right? They came to me, "Hey man, look, we're finna go do this." Wa wa wom. And I look out and I see like, it's the dude that, one of the cats that's, you know, in the neighborhood, that tough guy, and then I s- I look out and I see like three other dudes with him. Oh hell no, that's too many dudes. You gonna do something. Now if, if he wouldn't have had that many people with him, I probably would've went with him.

    4. JRJoe Rogan42:11

       Mm.

    5. WDWillie D42:12

       If it would've, would've just been him and another cat, all right, I probably would've went. I don't know. But he had like three other dudes with him. And the next morning, I hear a cab driver, old Black dude in the neighborhood. Well, he wasn't from the neighborhood but they killed him in the neighborhood. And he was this elderly dude. And they only took like 30 something bucks.

    6. JRJoe Rogan42:41

       (inhales deeply) Oh man. (exhales)

    7. WDWillie D42:42

       Uh, and so I know-... that's what happened, right? So then over the next, like, maybe three weeks, four more cab drivers get killed. Now, I know ... Um, pretty good- I got a pretty good idea who- who's doing this, right? Because I'm not the only one talk- that, that knows. It's other people that know these guys and they're talking. So there's murmurs in the streets about this happening. So then, uh, they get caught up and each of these guys, they end up with ... The one that got the less years was like 15 years. All these guys were minors except the, the main one. They were 14 to like 19 years old. So they end up with a minimum 15 years, and then the one that got the max was like 40 years. So my life would have been very, very much different had I walked out that door that night.

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:49

       Whew. Wow. (clears throat) That's some heavy shit. ******.

    9. WDWillie D43:52

       So I ... Yeah. So I can see a lot of things happening. Like, I can s- you know, like, experience, you know, I can s- I can see a lot of things happening from my own experience, but other people's experience too, and I personally do believe that experience is not the best teacher. Other people's experience is the best teacher. Because if I s- see you go out and ... If you walk around the corner and you come back, running back bleeding profusely, "Oh, man, (panting) these guys around the corner just stabbed me, man." Why would I run my silly ass around the corner?

    10. JRJoe Rogan44:35

        (laughs)

    11. GUGuest44:35

        (laughs)

    12. WDWillie D44:35

        They just stabbed you.

    13. JRJoe Rogan44:37

        Right.

    14. WDWillie D44:37

        What's gonna happen to me? (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan44:39

        Right.

    16. WDWillie D44:39

        What, what's likely to happen to me?

    17. JRJoe Rogan44:41

        Yeah.

    18. WDWillie D44:41

        What could happen to me if I go around that same corner?

    19. JRJoe Rogan44:45

        (laughs)

    20. WDWillie D44:45

        That motherfucker might stab me next. So no, I'm not going around that corner. I'm going in the opposite direction. In fact, get from by me, man, 'cause they might come stab you again-

    21. JRJoe Rogan44:55

        (laughs)

    22. WDWillie D44:55

        ... and get me while I'm with you.

    23. JRJoe Rogan44:57

        Yeah. I think you're right. I think you can learn from both, but you can learn the terrible lessons from other people without having to do it.

    24. WDWillie D45:03

        Without ever having to do it.

    25. JRJoe Rogan45:04

        Yeah.

    26. WDWillie D45:04

        If you stick your hand in the fire and it burn you, why in the hell would I stick my hand- (laughs)

    27. JRJoe Rogan45:09

        Yeah.

    28. WDWillie D45:10

        ... in that fire and it let, let it burn me unless I wanna be burned?

    29. JRJoe Rogan45:14

        (laughs)

    30. WDWillie D45:14

        So that's why I, you know, these, these ... The gang thing, I, you know, I could never get with it. I've never been a gang member, so I don't know what these guys be thinking. I don't know what they, what they be thinking, man. But I just don't see an upside to it. I just ... It has a terrible retirement plan.
11. 53:40 – 1:09:51

    Internet combat philosophy: trolls, moderators, and Joe’s ‘don’t feed them’ bandwidth model

    1. WDWillie D53:40

       That's why I jumped on, uh, social media.

    2. JRJoe Rogan53:43

       Mm-hmm.

    3. WDWillie D53:43

       I knew I was risking a lot of disrespect, right?

    4. JRJoe Rogan53:48

       Mm.

    5. WDWillie D53:49

       Because people on social media and on the internet period can be the most disrespectful bastards ever. And you know like, they say things that you know they would never ever ever say to your face, but they just be...

    6. JRJoe Rogan54:09

       Yeah.

    7. MJMike Judge54:10

       (growling)

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:10

       Yeah.

    9. MJMike Judge54:10

       (moaning)

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:12

        Yeah.

    11. MJMike Judge54:14

        (growling)

    12. JRJoe Rogan54:20

        (laughs)

    13. MJMike Judge54:20

        (laughs)

    14. WDWillie D54:20

        (laughs) You know it. Man, so I knew what I was doing. I, I, I knew that there would be people that was, would just oppose just to oppose. There are people out there that they see you doing it, they wanna oppose just to oppose. I knew there would be people that would try to leverage my re- my, my history, my past against me.

    15. JRJoe Rogan54:43

        Mm-hmm.

    16. WDWillie D54:44

        I knew that would happen. Sometimes people do stuff like that...... because they don't want you to give up information that could save somebody else. They don't want people to be saved.

    17. JRJoe Rogan54:56

        You think that, that's true?

    18. WDWillie D54:57

        Oh, yeah. Th- th- there, there are some really evil people in the world, bro. When I was younger, I was an idealist. I didn't think that... I knew it was people out there like that, but I didn't think it was that many. The internet opened it up. It really exposed it.

    19. JRJoe Rogan55:13

        Mm-hmm.

    20. WDWillie D55:14

        It's some really, really bad people in the world.

    21. JRJoe Rogan55:17

        There's some bad people in the world.

    22. WDWillie D55:17

        And very, very dis- very... (sighs) You know how they say, "Hurt people hurt people"?

    23. JRJoe Rogan55:24

        Yes.

    24. WDWillie D55:25

        Right?

    25. JRJoe Rogan55:25

        Yeah.

    26. WDWillie D55:25

        So, a lot of these people are hurt. They don't know how to channel that anger and ... into something positive, right?

    27. JRJoe Rogan55:35

        Right.

    28. WDWillie D55:35

        So, they just take the easy route and do the negative thing.

    29. JRJoe Rogan55:39

        Yeah.

    30. WDWillie D55:39

        Right? And they just go, like, however they feel at that moment, they just respond.
12. 1:09:51 – 1:35:52

    Old legends in the ring: Tyson vs. Roy Jones, exhibition rules, and the lure of comeback glory

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:09:51

       Speaking of fighting, speaking of old dudes fighting, Mike Tyson-

    2. WDWillie D1:09:55

       (laughs)

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:09:55

       ... and Roy Jones Jr. this weekend. What do you think of that?

    4. WDWillie D1:09:59

       Ooh. Interesting.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:10:00

       Crazy, right?

    6. WDWillie D1:10:01

       Yeah. I think it's... I think he, um... Not too crazy to me, you know, 'cause I know they're fighters and, you know, they... (sighs) A fighter is... As, as long as a fighter knows that people wanna watch, they'll get in the ring if the money is right.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:10:18

       Yeah.

    8. WDWillie D1:10:19

       And-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:10:19

       But Roy fought as recently as two years ago.

    10. WDWillie D1:10:22

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:10:22

        Yeah.

    12. WDWillie D1:10:23

        Yeah, but that's still, it's still ring rust.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:10:26

        Yeah.

    14. WDWillie D1:10:26

        Not as much as Tyson-

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:10:28

        Right.

    16. WDWillie D1:10:28

        ... but still ring rust. And so, it's gonna be interesting, man, because both guys are, like, not just champions, but they are Hall of Fame champions. Most people that I've heard talk, say Roy is gonna get ran through. I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen. I think it's gonna boil down to which one of them are more prepared.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:10:55

        Yeah.

    18. WDWillie D1:10:55

        That's what I think is gonna happen. It's gonna come down to who's more prepared.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:11:01

        Well, they are... They definitely have different sizes. You know, Roy's a, he's a legend. They're both legends, but Roy, champion at 168 pounds, champion at 175, beat Ruiz at... He was about 200 when he won the heavyweight title.

    20. WDWillie D1:11:14

        Mm-hmm.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:11:14

        But he was never really, like, a big guy.

    22. WDWillie D1:11:16

        He's not, he's not a natural heavyweight.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:11:18

        Right. Tyson's a tank.

    24. WDWillie D1:11:19

        Right.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:11:20

        He's a, physically is a different person. And I don't like that they're switching it to two-minute rounds. That, that, that drives me crazy.

    26. WDWillie D1:11:26

        I don't like it. But how many rounds is it?

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:11:27

        Eight. Eight two-minute rounds.

    28. WDWillie D1:11:29

        Well, well, that just means more action.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:11:33

        Yeah. It does.

    30. WDWillie D1:11:34

        You know?

Episode duration: 3:01:36