Joe Rogan Experience #1581 - J. Prince

J. Prince 0:02 (drum music plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Mr. Prince.

J. Prince 0:16 Ah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:17 Thanks for being here, brother, I appreciate it.

J. Prince 0:18 Hey, it's a privilege and an honor.

Joe Rogan 0:20 Listen, man, you, you command a tremendous amount of respect. Eh, the m- more people I talk to you, the more the respect grows. Eh, more people that talk about you, rather. It's, uh, it's a pleasure to meeting you and a pleasure to be with you.

J. Prince 0:33 Likewise, bro.

Joe Rogan 0:34 Josh Dubin loves you, too.

J. Prince 0:36 Oh, yeah, the feeling is mutual.

Joe Rogan 0:37 Yeah, I love that dude.

J. Prince 0:39 Yeah, me too.

Joe Rogan 0:39 He's a good man and the stuff that he does on the side, you know, outside of, of boxing and the stuff that he does with the Innocence Project is really amazing.

J. Prince 0:49 Yeah. Yeah, he's a awesome friend to have as well.

Joe Rogan 0:52 Yeah.

J. Prince 0:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:53 So, uh, we got a lot of shit here, man. We got your Loyalty brand, you've got champagne, you've got wine, you've got, uh, what is this? Uh-

J. Prince 1:03 That's the Merlot.

Joe Rogan 1:03 This is Merlot, and you have a cabernet as well.

J. Prince 1:06 And rosé.

Joe Rogan 1:07 I love a man that's involved in a lot of different things.

J. Prince 1:11 Well, I'm just trying to diversify my portfolio.

Joe Rogan 1:14 (laughs) But that's always been the case with you, right?

J. Prince 1:17 Yeah, pretty much so.

Joe Rogan 1:18 From the beginning-

J. Prince 1:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20 ... you are responsible for a tremendous amount of the music that I listen to, especially when I was a young man. Like, you put together The Geto Boys. Willie D was on here and he explained the whole story to us that you're the one who talked him into being-

J. Prince 1:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:34 ... into The Geto Boys. Like, he was like, "No, I wanna be on my own." He did it as a favor to you.

J. Prince 1:39 Yeah, that's a true story, that's a true story. I, um, actually had got rid of the other set of Geto Boys because they felt like I was too deep and they couldn't relate to, uh, some of the subject matters I wanted them to write to, and-

Joe Rogan 1:54 Like what kind of subject matter?

J. Prince 1:55 Well, just real, uh, real-

Joe Rogan 1:58 Yeah.

J. Prince 1:58 ... life situations, you know what I mean? Like, real street things that I was living. And they were spitting more Tonka Toy type of raps, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:07 Mm-hmm.

J. Prince 2:08 It was, it was following the trend of the East Coast at the time and I realized that we are from the South and we just had different stories.

Joe Rogan 2:16 Like, what was the stories of the East Coast? Like, what was the difference?

J. Prince 2:19 Well, more commercial, you know? Back then the East Coast was more commercial. This was a time when Run-DMC, LL Cool J, you know, the hardcore rap hadn't hit the scene yet. So down South we were, uh, considered rebellious at the time because we came with a different flavor.

Joe Rogan 2:39 Mm-hmm.

J. Prince 2:39 You know? We came, uh, with ghetto stories. That's one of the reason I named the group The Geto Boys because I knew there was ghettos all around the world that, uh, had a voice and we became their voice.

Joe Rogan 2:52 Well, it was also, there were songs that they, they were very unconventional like Mind's Playing Tricks on Me. Like, that's an unconventional song, like, and it shows, like, a vulnerability.

J. Prince 3:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:05 Like, talking about the pressure of that life really fucking you up.

J. Prince 3:09 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:10 You know?

J. Prince 3:10 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:11 There was a lot of that in The Geto Boys.

J. Prince 3:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:14 It was, there was a lot of layers to it. If you looked at it on the surface you would think just gangster rap, but there was a lot of thinking behind that music.

J. Prince 3:23 Oh, most definitely, and that was part of what we'd done together. We brainstormed together because we wanted to make sure we tapped into, you know, everybody that didn't have a voice, you know? A lot of the things, such as the Mind Playing Tricks song, for example, you know, it was a lot of individuals that was, like, numb to their lifestyle of what would actually take place of inner city kids, and we were able to, uh, make that, like, real visual.

Joe Rogan 3:54 You, it's, it's fascinating to me all the different things that you've touched, you know, that you've gotten into, like, how did, first of all, how did you get started in the rap game? Like, what, what got you into being part of that?

J. Prince 4:06 I got in the, I got in the rap game because of my brother. His name was Sir Rap-A-Lot, so I actually, uh, named the company after him.

Joe Rogan 4:16 Ah.

J. Prince 4:16 And, uh, I was encouraged to do it because, you know, he was a rapper. At the time, you know, I was hustling a different way and I didn't want my brother in the streets. So I'm like, "You go on the studio, I'm gonna support you in the rap world." But, uh, ultimately my brother, uh, decided not to stay in the rap game and went got him, like, 23 years.

Joe Rogan 4:38 Wow.

J. Prince 4:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:41 There's so many stories like that, right? Like, dudes had one foot i- one foot in and one foot out.

J. Prince 4:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:47 Yeah, it's, uh, the rap game is inextricably tied to people that are, uh, are in that world, right? You can't, you can't fake it in the rap game. It's one of the, the rare genres of music that has so many people that are both in and out of that world.

J. Prince 5:09 Yeah. A lot of, um, people fake it to a certain extent, you know, because they tell stories of what they observed or what they saw. You know, a lot of, uh, individuals, uh, don't, hadn't actually lived the rap that they, uh, rap about, but they witnessed it from some perspective so it's real.

Joe Rogan 5:28 Yeah.

J. Prince 5:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:30 But it's, it's maybe the only music genre that is so connected to crime. Like, if you really stop and think about it, cr- crime and poverty is such a, a, an immense part of the rap world.

J. Prince 5:43 Oh, yeah, no, it's definitely a, uh, a real reflection of what goes on in the world we come from.

Joe Rogan 5:51 Yeah, that's one of the most interesting things about it, like, when rap music became really popular... One of the things I was saying to Willie, when Willie D was here, I was like, "You are a part, you are a part of a, you're a pioneer of a new art form that-"... came about. Like, when the Geto Boys came about, uh, which was, like, late '80s, is that what it was?

J. Prince 6:13 Yes.

Joe Rogan 6:14 When the Geto Boys emerged, we w- we had only been looking at hip hop for a decade, right? It'd only been around for 10 years. I'm like, you were at the ground floor of what is now one of the biggest genres in all of music. And it was th- one of the first genres that showed that life, and showed the life of these inner city hustlers that were trying to get out and trying to do better for themselves. And in the case of the Geto Boys, show the pros and the cons, and show the psychological effects of that life.

J. Prince 6:46 No, a true story. And, um, (clears throat) one of the things we'd done, like, on the East Coast and the West Coast, you know, they had access to a lot of power where the major record labels were concerned. Down in Houston, in the South period, we had no access to any of that kind of power. So we was left to, like, figure it out and do it on ou- on our own. So when I laid the foundation, uh, in Houston, it was... I basically learned from trial and error, and I had to figure it out and I did, and we laid a foundation that's relevant today.

Joe Rogan 7:22 So you got i- into it to help your brother, and then how did you, how did you get a, a part of the Geto Boys? How did that get going?

J. Prince 7:30 Well, I researched Houston inside out, you know? I went to, like, every area in Houston and kinda, you know, just tapped into all the artists. And I ran into Scarface one day. I stepped out of a club and he was playing his music for a DJ by the name of Steve Funye. And I overheard it, and I was sold from what I overheard. And I basically, uh, took Scarface with me that night. We went to breakfast and, you know, I, I kinda convinced him that I had a group named the Geto Boys that I wanted him to be a part of. And the same thing happened with Willie D. Uh, my barber, I think, was telling me about Willie D. We had the same barber in Fifth Ward, and I got with him and basically, uh, told him the same story. And then there was Bushwick, and Bushwick, you know, was around before either of those guys were around, but I just shared my vision with them. It was important that they embrace my vision because I just got rid of a, a group of guys that, uh, wasn't feeling me and they told, told me I was too deep. So after that, you know, I just, uh, made it my priority to pick these guys up every day, you know? I drove and picked them up every day to make sure they showed up in the studio.

Joe Rogan 8:51 So whatever happened with the guys who told you you were too deep? They ever call you back-

J. Prince 8:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:55 ... and go, "Oh, we fucked up"? (laughs)

J. Prince 8:57 Well, you know, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm thankful for two of those guys because, you know, I tell this story all the time. These two guys were... I made a deal with them if they go to school, I would support them in rap. And they went to school, and they would go to my grandmother house after school every day. And after my brother had left, I kinda lost interest in, in the music game. And, uh, she called me one day and she said, "James, you need to keep your word. These guys are going to school, they're coming here every day practicing." And, you know, I tell everybody that's how I got blessed beyond my expectation, by keeping my word.

Joe Rogan 9:36 Keeping your word is, uh, a theme that you discuss very often, respect and keeping your word.

J. Prince 9:43 True.

Joe Rogan 9:44 How did you... I mean, how did this evolve for you as, as a man? Like, when, when did this become of extreme importance in your life?

J. Prince 9:52 Uh, I think, uh, it begun with my mother, you know, my father. You know, I believe more is caught than taught, so I was-

Joe Rogan 10:02 Hmm.

J. Prince 10:02 ... observing, uh, the things of, of substance, such as respect and things like that. They, they put it in me. So, you know, I tell everybody it's kinda in my DNA to a certain extent.

Joe Rogan 10:13 I like that phrase.

J. Prince 10:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:15 More is caught than taught.

J. Prince 10:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:17 That's true.

J. Prince 10:18 Real true.

Joe Rogan 10:19 Yeah. I, I think about that around my own kids, like-

J. Prince 10:22 Oh, yeah. They watching.

Joe Rogan 10:23 They ob- they observe.

J. Prince 10:24 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:25 Yeah. And if you slip... Like, if I'm slipping, my kids let me know.

J. Prince 10:28 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:29 They let me know and you're like, "Oh, Jesus, you're paying attention." (laughs)

J. Prince 10:31 Oh, yeah. You know, your, your other words... your lips gonna have to match your actions.

Joe Rogan 10:37 Yes. Yeah.

J. Prince 10:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:38 Yeah, th- when children think you're a hypocrite, that's a... Tho- those are rough kids to raise 'cause they don't have any respect for you.

J. Prince 10:44 True.

Joe Rogan 10:45 Yeah. So you, you start out with... You had Willie D, you had Scarface, you had Bushwick Bill, and you... These guys didn't necessarily know each other. Like, Willie knew S- w- Willie knew Bushwick from the clubs, but he didn't... wasn't tight with him, right?

J. Prince 11:06 Yeah, it wasn't really even... He didn't really even know him. I think they had a run-in, you know, somewhat of a confrontation, uh, in the club, but they didn't really know each other other than Will, I think, drop-kicking Bushwick.

Joe Rogan 11:19 (laughs)

J. Prince 11:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:21 That sounds like Willie.

J. Prince 11:22 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:23 And how difficult was it to get them together and get them to coordinate and get the music to go well?

J. Prince 11:30 You know, it was, it was somewhat difficult because everybody was solo artists and everybody wanted to do their own thing. And my thing was, to them, "Okay, let's unite our power. Let's unite our power together and we'll become a stronger force than being separate." And, you know, "Let's do this my way and after this we'll do solos." So I think that made sense to them.

Joe Rogan 11:55 Well, the way Willie talks about you, when Willie was like, "I'm gonna be on my own, but J. Prince asked me to do it, so I said all right." Like, literally that. Like, that's rare.

J. Prince 12:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:06 When a guy like Willie D is like, okay, he respects you so much he's willing to do that for you, when he wanted to be a solo artist.

J. Prince 12:14 Yeah. That, that's true, and Scarface as well. But, you know, it, it'd always been a mutual respect where-... we all was concerned. And, you know, it made sense. Let's unite the power, you know, that helped. It was that mentality that opened the doors for hope- the whole Houston. Like a lot of artists today try and, you know, separate their powers. They don't understand the unity-

Joe Rogan 12:38 Yeah.

J. Prince 12:38 ... of the power is what opened the door for the city.

Joe Rogan 12:41 How did you figure that out early on?

J. Prince 12:44 I just figured it out from being a, uh, uh, a, a football player, a baseball player, you know, a team player. You know, it's, it's certain, uh, ingredients that just work, you know, together versus being separate. Unlike boxing, you know-

Joe Rogan 13:01 Yeah.

J. Prince 13:01 ... boxing, you're in the ring by yourself, but-

Joe Rogan 13:03 Right.

J. Prince 13:04 ... yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:04 Well, you, that's another thing you've been involved in too, which is amazing. You know, you, you've been involved with some of the greatest fighters of all time. Floyd Mayweather, Andre Ward. I mean, um, how di- how did you transfer from... Well, you started off, you, you owned like a car dealership, right?

J. Prince 13:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:19 Was that your first big business?

J. Prince 13:21 Uh, pretty much so. You know, I started off, uh, at a car dealership. All my life I had this, uh, love for cars, and-

Joe Rogan 13:28 Me too.

J. Prince 13:29 ... and my cousin, you know, by the name of Eric Blakely, he used to, uh, put model cars together, all on his dresser. And I didn't have any model car. I couldn't really afford model cars, but I would look at those cars and be like, "Oh, I'm gonna have a car like that one day. I'm gonna have a car like..." You know, envision myself in them, in them cars. And I ended up purchasing every car that I dreamt of being in.

Joe Rogan 13:53 (laughs) Did you have-

J. Prince 13:53 So-

Joe Rogan 13:53 ... like a checklist?

J. Prince 13:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:55 Yeah.

J. Prince 13:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:57 And so when you opened up this car dealership, did you do that with that end goal in mind or did you just do it as a business?

J. Prince 14:04 I'd done it as a business. The other, that was business. The ownership was personal. Uh, I'd done it as a business because I had relationships with all the, the athletes, with all the, uh, the D-boys, you know, all the hustlers in the street. So I'm like, "I could make some money in the car salesman business." And my, um, my, my son, Mother Jazz, his mother, Carla, uh, her father was a car dealer. So everything just kind of connected and I'm like, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 14:36 And so did you use that to, like, as a springboard to get into the rap game?

J. Prince 14:41 Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. I became the number one car seller profit-wise on a street called Shepherd Drive in Houston, Texas in one year. You know what I mean? And I couldn't believe it. We all had the same accountant, and the accountant, you know, doing taxes, she came to me, she's like, "You made the biggest profit outta everybody on the..." I said, "Well, how did you know that? How do you know that?"

Joe Rogan 15:05 (laughs)

J. Prince 15:05 She said, "Because I'm the accountant." I'm like, "Wow, are you serious?" She's like, "Yeah, you made the biggest profit." So, you know, that was inspiring.

Joe Rogan 15:13 And this was just because of your relationships with all these other people?

J. Prince 15:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:16 That they wanted to do business with you?

J. Prince 15:18 Well, I say relationships and my work ethic, you know, because I, I, I got a relentless work ethic. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:26 So how do you get into boxing from there? You get, you, you get into the rap game with... Was the Ghetto Boys your first band?

J. Prince 15:32 Yeah, pretty much so. The Ghetto Boys were my first, uh, group. Um, when boxing came along, boxing was my first love, you know. I, I, I got distracted by the music game because of, I mean, by boxing because of the music game. I always wanted to, uh, be a boxer, but it wasn't any gyms in 5th Ward, you know, so I always said to myself, "If I e- ever make it, I want to build a boxing gym, a recreation center in my hood." And that's what I done. And shortly after I'd done that, I had an opportunity to go in the gym and, uh, start watching the amateurs, and I just kind of fell in love with boxing all over again, and which ultimately led me... I prayed for a champion. Everything I, uh, tried to accomplish in life, I always exercised prayer. It worked for me. So, uh, I prayed for a champion, and, uh, I set up a meeting with Mike Tyson in Las Vegas, and I went to Las Vegas.

Joe Rogan 16:33 What year is this?

J. Prince 16:35 This had to be '99 or 2000. So, you know, I, I kn- I knew a friend that knew Mike, and Mike, you know, accepted the invitation because he was familiar with my movement where Rap A Lot was concerned, and I flew out there, uh, with my focus on Mike, and man, I walked into him sparring, and I was like, you know, I was on cloud nine, 'cause I had never saw him, you know, in person sparring. It was always at a fight. And I walked in, he was throwing leather with another heavyweight, and I was like starstruck.

Joe Rogan 17:10 (laughs)

J. Prince 17:11 And in the midst of watching this sparring, uh, Floyd Mayweather came in the gym. And Floyd, you know, I didn't know who he was. He kept coming to me, "Yo, Jay. Yo, Jay. Uh, man, I know, I know, I know about your group." You know, he was calling groups out. I'm like, "Oh, okay. Thanks, bro. Thanks, bro." I'm zeroing back in on Mike. Boom, boom, boom. Floyd come over again. "Yo, Jay. Yo, Jay. Yo, Jay."

Joe Rogan 17:35 (laughs)

J. Prince 17:35 "Man, I, I know about this group here, man, and, and, and Jay, if you want to do something later on, you know, this is my number. I'll come pick you up." I'm like, "All right, brother. Okay." Focus on Mike. I don't know who Floyd is, right?

Joe Rogan 17:47 Right. (laughs)

J. Prince 17:47 So afterwards, you know, me and Mike go to his house to have the meeting that I came to have, because my objective was to become his manager, to be on his management team. And he and I met for a while. He got his ex-wife on the phone, and you know, I was pretty much convinced I was on the team after the meeting and everything took place, and uh, you know, hung with him all night. The next day, uh, I tried to reach Mike, and I couldn't reach Mike, and I was left, uh, with Floyd number, and I asked my friend, I said, "Who, who number is this number right here?" He said, "Oh, that's Floyd Mayweather, the 130-pound champion."... so bam, a red light went off in my head because I prayed for a champion. Long story short, me and Floyd was in business together less than a week.

Joe Rogan 18:36 That's crazy.

J. Prince 18:36 I was his manager.

Joe Rogan 18:37 You didn't even know who he was?

J. Prince 18:39 I didn't know. No idea.

Joe Rogan 18:40 That was when he was Pretty Boy Floyd.

J. Prince 18:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:42 That was before Money Mayweather.

J. Prince 18:44 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 18:44 Yeah. He had a totally different style back then too. He was, uh, much more aggressive, went for the knockout more.

J. Prince 18:51 Yeah, well, I think he used his legs a lot more then, but if he saw the opportunity, he definitely went in for the kill. But, you know, his whole image was different-

Joe Rogan 19:02 Yeah.

J. Prince 19:02 ... before I came about.

Joe Rogan 19:04 Well, he had a lot of hand problems, right? Like, he's had several hand breaks.

J. Prince 19:09 Yeah, well, I don't know about a break, but I know, um, we eventually had to get a specialist to wrap his hands because, you know, he would hurt them a lot.

Joe Rogan 19:19 Yeah. And do you think that affected his style? Is that... Like, 'cause he developed a, a very defensive style as he got older.

J. Prince 19:26 Uh, I think that's a part of, uh, confidence. I think that's a part of, uh, evolving as a fighter, you know. In the beginning, I think Floyd used his legs much more.

Joe Rogan 19:38 Mm-hmm.

J. Prince 19:38 But as he evolved with experience, he got comfortable, you know, with the defense.

Joe Rogan 19:42 Shoulder roll and defense.

J. Prince 19:44 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:44 Greatest defense of all time.

J. Prince 19:46 Oh man, and that's-

Joe Rogan 19:46 Of all time.

J. Prince 19:47 Yeah, I agree.

Joe Rogan 19:48 I had my friend Andrew Scholz on here yesterday and we were talking about it. We're like, "He might've got hit hard four times in his career," which is insane.

J. Prince 19:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:56 50 and 0 and got tagged four times, which is-

J. Prince 20:00 Wow.

Joe Rogan 20:00 ... unthinkable.

J. Prince 20:01 No, he's amazing, but his work ethic is amazing. You know, the guy got to work. You know, I've had opportunity to, like, witness a lot of fighters' work ethic. Andre Ward's and Floyd Mayweather work ethic is unlike any fight I ever saw.

Joe Rogan 20:17 Yeah, you don't get there without it.

J. Prince 20:19 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 20:19 Because there's so many talented people, there's so many athletic people, there's so many fierce dudes. But to be a champion-

J. Prince 20:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:27 ... you need everything. You need gifts-

J. Prince 20:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:30 ... you need athletic gifts, you need a sharp mind, you need a, a passion for the technical aspects of the game, but you gotta have that ethic. If you don't have that work ethic, you don't... You never keep it going, you, you, you always fall short of your expectations. And without naming any names, we all know those champions that could have been great, but they got fat in between camps and they just-

J. Prince 20:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:53 ... never trained as hard as they should've and-

J. Prince 20:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:56 I mean, some of the all-time greats suffered from it. Like Roberto Duran after he beat Sugar Ray Leonard.

J. Prince 21:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:02 He... And, and Sugar Ray knew it, capitalized on it, and forced a, a quick rematch when he knew that Duran was fat.

J. Prince 21:09 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:09 Duran was partying and drinking and-

J. Prince 21:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:12 A guy like Floyd Mayweather never did that.

J. Prince 21:15 No. No, he-

Joe Rogan 21:15 Never got out of shape.

J. Prince 21:17 Man, he would... You know, Floyd was the type of fighter that would party with everybody, but no drinking, no smoking.

Joe Rogan 21:24 Hmm.

J. Prince 21:24 He'd sit back and watch and observe the whole movement.

Joe Rogan 21:28 I remember watching a video of him leaving a club in Vegas. It showed him at the club, hanging out with everybody, leaving the club at 2:00 in the morning running.

J. Prince 21:36 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:36 With, with pants on.

J. Prince 21:36 He used to do that all the time.

Joe Rogan 21:38 Yeah. Regular pants on.

J. Prince 21:39 We would watch fights together, and right after the fight, he was ready to run. "Yo, Jay, yo, ain't nobody gonna catch me slipping. The only way they can beat you is catch you out of shape. They ain't gonna catch me slipping." Take off running down the strip.

Joe Rogan 21:54 It's amazing. And having his brother or having, uh, having his Uncle Roger and having his father, you know, two world-class fighters and having grown up seeing these guys, seeing his, his uncle when, when Roger Mayweather was a champion, he had a vicious style. He was... You know, h- his right hand was a thing of beauty. I mean, people forgot. Like, I wa- I was watching some Roger Mayweather fights the other day. And to have his father, a guy who, you know, gave Sugar Ray Leonard a hell of a fight.

J. Prince 22:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:26 Tha- There's so much talent, there's so much knowledge and understanding of boxing in that family, to grow up with that, and to have that mindset like Floyd has where he's observing and watching everything.

J. Prince 22:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:36 That dude just absorbed everything.

J. Prince 22:39 Oh, yeah. And not only watching, he had to spar with Roger.

Joe Rogan 22:42 Hmm.

J. Prince 22:43 So you're talking about-

Joe Rogan 22:44 Yeah.

J. Prince 22:44 ... you know, having to learn how to protect yourself against the best-

Joe Rogan 22:48 Yeah.

J. Prince 22:48 ... as a kid. So, you know, he had access to a lot of power, and evidently, you know, there's no doubt about it, it benefited him in a major way.

Joe Rogan 22:58 It's just amazing when you see that consistent formula of, of work ethic, that work ethic is... There's no getting around it. Everyone who gets great at everything and maintains that greatness has to have that work ethic.

J. Prince 23:11 Yeah. Yeah. No, that's true. Even Michael Jordan explained, you know, how he exercised his work ethic, you know. I tell a, a lot of people, "Your work ethic, you know, has to match your talent."

Joe Rogan 23:25 Oh, Jamie brought over some glasses. Here we go.

J. Prince 23:27 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 23:27 Try some, try some of this wine out, sir.

J. Prince 23:30 Loyalty. All right.

Joe Rogan 23:31 All right. What... Are you a Merlot man or a Cabernet man?

J. Prince 23:35 Well, I'm both of them, so-

Joe Rogan 23:36 What do you prefer? It's up to you.

J. Prince 23:38 Let's, let's try some Cab.

Joe Rogan 23:39 All right. Which one is this?

J. Prince 23:41 This Merlot.

Joe Rogan 23:43 That's the Merlot. All right. Where are you, uh, growing this stuff?

J. Prince 23:45 Um, in Paris, in France, you know.

Joe Rogan 23:48 Really?

J. Prince 23:48 Yeah, I'm getting them good grapes.

Joe Rogan 23:50 You got a relationship with people in Paris too?

J. Prince 23:52 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:53 (laughs)

J. Prince 23:53 Yeah, most definitely.

Joe Rogan 23:54 I love it.

J. Prince 23:54 I even have a heavyweight, uh, by the name of Tony Yoka, the 2016 gold medalist, that's from Paris.

Joe Rogan 24:01 Really?

J. Prince 24:02 Yeah, that's my fighter as well.

Joe Rogan 24:03 Is he training here in America or is he training in France?

J. Prince 24:06 Both. Both. Yeah, he come and go.

Joe Rogan 24:09 How does that work now with COVID? Is he, is he-

J. Prince 24:10 Well-

Joe Rogan 24:10 ... stuck over there?

J. Prince 24:11 Yeah, as of now, he been over, uh, in, um, in Paris for the last few months. So I think he'll be back in February or March. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:25 The, the boxing business is a crazy business because boxers are crazy.

J. Prince 24:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:29 Like there's, there's no way... You know, you got all the dedication and all the-

J. Prince 24:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:35 ... you know, hard work and-... intelligence and ring IQ, but you also have crazy people.

J. Prince 24:42 Yeah. But it's, it's no, uh, worse or no crazier than the music industry.

Joe Rogan 24:47 Right, so you're-

J. Prince 24:47 You know.

Joe Rogan 24:47 ... prepared for it.

J. Prince 24:48 Yeah, I'm kinda... I've been prepared and, uh, they are two, uh, cutthroat businesses.

Joe Rogan 24:54 Cheers, sir.

J. Prince 24:55 Health, wealth, and love. (glasses clinking)

Joe Rogan 24:56 Health, wealth, and love.

J. Prince 24:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:02 That's very good.

J. Prince 25:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:03 That's very good.

J. Prince 25:04 Nice, smooth, right?

Joe Rogan 25:05 Yeah, I'm a, I'm a fan of wine.

J. Prince 25:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:06 I don't know too much about it, but-

J. Prince 25:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:08 ... that's very smooth.

J. Prince 25:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:10 What part of France is this grown?

J. Prince 25:12 Oh, man. You know, I don't know exactly the part, but it's in, uh, it's in France and I went through a lot of grapes to come up with this blend. You know, it's, uh, it's, uh, proper-

Joe Rogan 25:26 So are you personally involved in selecting everything as well?

J. Prince 25:28 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:29 Do you, do you know a lot about wine? Do you have a background in wine, or you just know what you like?

J. Prince 25:33 Well, let me tell you the story how I got in the wine business. Uh, you wouldn't... You're not from Texas, but those that are from Texas know the... remember this doctor definitely in Houston by the name of Dr. Red Duke. He was a surgeon in Houston. Uh, and I heard him speak about the health benefits where wine was concerned one day. And, you know, he was talking about the, uh, (clears throat) how wine is good for your heart, your blood, the antioxidants, you know, all of these things. And I became, you know, kinda sold where wine was concerned. And during my wining down time, I started sipping a little bit and ultimately, that led me to Napa Valley, where I was able to, uh, go to quite a few vineyards. I was actually negotiating on purchasing a vineyard, so I got the opportunity to view things from the business pers- perspective, and that kinda led me to where I'm at today.

Joe Rogan 26:32 That's a serious baller move when you own a vineyard.

J. Prince 26:35 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:35 You know?

J. Prince 26:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:36 That's why I don't trust the governor of California.

J. Prince 26:38 Mm.

Joe Rogan 26:38 He owns a vineyard. Like, "Get the fuck outta here, bro."

J. Prince 26:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:41 You're supposed to be serving the people. You're not supposed to be balling.

J. Prince 26:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:44 When you own a vineyard, you're a baller.

J. Prince 26:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:46 That's a baller move. You're out there sipping, cheers, like-

J. Prince 26:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:49 ... with people.

J. Prince 26:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:50 Someone's bringing over hors d'oeuvres.

J. Prince 26:52 Right. You can only imagine they mixing it up a little bit.

Joe Rogan 26:56 Yeah, there's definitely mixing up. That's, that's some gangster shit when you own a vineyard.

J. Prince 27:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:01 You know (laughs) , that's, that's why you can't trust a politician with a vineyard.

J. Prince 27:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:05 Right (laughs) ?

J. Prince 27:06 I agree.

Joe Rogan 27:07 Yeah. (laughs)

J. Prince 27:08 (laughs) I, I don't trust them without vineyards, so...

Joe Rogan 27:10 (laughs)

J. Prince 27:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:11 Exactly. But with a vineyard-

J. Prince 27:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:13 ... there's something about owning a vineyard.

J. Prince 27:15 Yeah, there's icing on the cake.

Joe Rogan 27:16 It's a, it's a status symbol. It's a beautiful status symbol. You know, um, my good friend Maynard, he's the lead singer of the band Tool.

J. Prince 27:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:25 Uh, he's got Caduceus Vineyards. He, he owns his own vineyard in Arizona.

J. Prince 27:29 Beautiful.

Joe Rogan 27:29 You know? And there's something about the creation of wine, it's a different kind of artistic pursuit. The... It's art that your, your taste buds-

J. Prince 27:38 Mm.

Joe Rogan 27:38 ... take in and appreciate.

J. Prince 27:39 Mm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:40 You know?

J. Prince 27:40 Yeah, great wine.

Joe Rogan 27:40 I've, I've developed a deep respect for wine. I don't-

J. Prince 27:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:42 ... know much about it really, unfortunately. I don't have enou- a lot of time to really learn about wine, but-

J. Prince 27:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:48 ... I know good wine, and this is very good.

J. Prince 27:50 Thank you, thank you.

Joe Rogan 27:50 This is delicious.

J. Prince 27:52 Toast to loyalty.

Joe Rogan 27:53 Mm-hmm.

J. Prince 27:54 Where you, you-

Joe Rogan 27:54 To loyalty.

J. Prince 27:55 ... you just said a mouthful though. The taste buds is the key with asking about.

Joe Rogan 27:58 Yeah, yeah. It's an art form for your taste. When you get a good glass of wine and it... You take that in, you're like, "Oh, yeah."

J. Prince 28:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:07 "That's good. That's smooth." This is, this is like a great wine with a steak.

J. Prince 28:12 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 28:12 You know what I'm saying?

J. Prince 28:12 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 28:13 Yeah. So when you met Floyd, he was the 130-pound champion.

J. Prince 28:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:19 And did you just im-... You immediately started working with him?

J. Prince 28:23 Um, yeah, but it was a process and it was, um... It wasn't easy, because I came into a situation where his father and his uncle was his manager, and I wasn't embraced...

Joe Rogan 28:37 Oh.

J. Prince 28:38 ... uh, you know, with, with love. You know, because they kinda felt like I was imposing on a situa- He had a $12 million contract on the table at the time I came in that everybody wanted him to sign. And, uh, Floyd called the contract a slave contract before I came, but they blamed me for him-

Joe Rogan 29:01 Hmm.

J. Prince 29:01 ... calling the, the contract a slave contract, so.

Joe Rogan 29:04 What was the, uh, provisions in the contract that he didn't like?

J. Prince 29:08 Well, he, he just thought $12 million wasn't enough.

Joe Rogan 29:11 (laughs)

J. Prince 29:11 You know what I mean? And, uh, you know, ultimately, I had to, uh, go in and do some damage control. And one of the things that I told him when, you know, when I met him, I said, "If I can't make this better, I don't wanna eat off of your $12 million that already been offered to you." So I had an opportunity to have a meeting with Ced Abraham, you know, at the time, was the, uh, the president of, uh, HBO. And I pretty much just asked the guy, you know, "How could we get around this $12 million contract? How can I, (clears throat) uh, make this a bigger contract?" And at the time, he told me about the fighter named Diego Corrales.

Joe Rogan 29:54 Mm.

J. Prince 29:54 He was like, "You know, if you all would be willing to fight Diego Corrales, then this could jump up to $35 million or so, if y'all was able to beat Diego Corrales." And, uh, you know, that was interesting to me. You know, I went home and done some due diligence on Diego Corrales at the time, and at that particular time, Diego had, uh, jumped on his ex-wife and kinda beat her up. He had charges, you know, uh, kinda done her pretty bad, but bad to the extent where he was facing jail time. And, and I saw that, and I went back to Floyd. I said, "Floyd," I said, "It's a perfect time to fight Diego Corrales." I said, "I even have a, a marketing tool. We can whoop him for every battered woman in the United States of America."

Joe Rogan 30:44 (laughs)

J. Prince 30:45 ... so he heard me out, but he wasn't embracing that. "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, J, it ain't time to do that right now. No, no, no, no, no."

Joe Rogan 30:53 So he didn't wanna fight Diego because of Diego's skill set?

J. Prince 30:56 Well, you know, (sighs) I don't wanna say Floyd was scared. But at the time, you know, everybody thought Diego could beat Floyd. He was, like, 30 and 0 with 29 knockouts.

Joe Rogan 31:06 Diego was a wild man.

J. Prince 31:07 Yeah, Diego was ... He was a knockout artist and he just felt like it wasn't the time. I talked to him for, like, four hours and couldn't convince him, so I decided to go home. And I went home about 6:00 in the morning and I woke up about 11:00 in the morning with a message from him, "Yo, yo, J. I heard you, you know, as my manager, and, uh, if you think I should fight him, I'll fight him." So it was then where, you know, I was celebrating 'cause I'm like, "Whoa. We finna get Diego." So I call the people at HBO and they told me they didn't have a date. They wouldn't have a date till, uh, next year or something like that. And it was then I decided to use, um, some of my record label, uh, talents. You know, I had to build my record company without having video, without having radio, you know, just pulling publicity stunts. So I told Floyd, I say, "Here's what we gonna do." Uh, Lennox Lewis and David Tua was fighting that day at the Mandalay Bay. I say, "During the press conference, um, he and Diego supposed to come to that fight." I say, "During the press conference, we gonna surround Diego. I'ma have the homies to surround Diego and I want you to come and just push him and, and we gonna stop the fight, right? It ain't go, it ain't gonna be no free fight, but you go and get your push in on him. We gonna stop it. We gonna steal the show." That was my objective. And, uh, that came to fruition, you know. We went and stole the show at the press conference. That was Saturday night. Sunday we was on the front page of the, uh, Las Vegas Time and, you know, Monday or Tuesday I called them and they say, "Oh, we got a date for you."

Joe Rogan 32:54 Ah.

J. Prince 32:55 So the rest is history.

Joe Rogan 32:55 I love that you're telling me this, 'cause I always wonder.

J. Prince 32:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:58 I always wonder when I see those kinda altercations, "How many of those are coordinated by a wise man who understands publicity?"

J. Prince 33:05 (laughs) Quite a few, I would say.

Joe Rogan 33:08 (laughs)

J. Prince 33:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:08 Why wouldn't you?

J. Prince 33:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:10 Why-

J. Prince 33:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:10 ... wouldn't you?

J. Prince 33:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:11 You know, it's marketing.

J. Prince 33:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:13 Wh- which, you know, brings me to one thing. One of the things that's going on right now with Floyd is he's gonna fight Logan Paul-

J. Prince 33:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:18 ... who's this YouTube star, which is ... It's so crazy that a dude who is a, a YouTube star, who's a good athlete, he, he's a, you know, he, he's had a, a couple of boxing matches and was a very good wrestler.

J. Prince 33:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:32 He's gonna f- box the greatest boxer, arguably-

J. Prince 33:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:37 ... of all time.

J. Prince 33:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:38 I mean, if you wanna look at accomplishments, Floyd Mayweather is in the argument as the greatest of all time.

J. Prince 33:44 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:45 Boxing is a sport of being hit or, or hitting rather, and not being hit.

J. Prince 33:49 Yeah. Exactly.

Joe Rogan 33:50 Floyd is the very best ever at that. No one's ever stopped him. No one's ever even come close. I mean, it's amazing. What he's done is amazing. And a lot of people say, "Oh, he waited until Manny Pacquiao was past his prime before he fought him." Well, that's a smart thing to do if you wanna stay 50 and 0.

J. Prince 34:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:08 I mean, d- w- if you look at this career, he fought all the great fighters, but he did it on his terms. When he fought Canelo, made Canelo get down, like, what was it, like, 1:52 I think it was.

J. Prince 34:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:19 Like, he's ... Every move he does is perfectly calculated.

J. Prince 34:24 Oh, yeah. Yeah, you have to ... You know, you, you just can't make excuses, uh, where Floyd talent is concerned. He, he one of the best I ever-

Joe Rogan 34:33 Undeniable.

J. Prince 34:34 ... saw do it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:34 Undeniable. No one, whether ... Whatever your opinion of him is, undeniable how talented he is. Undeniable.

J. Prince 34:41 Oh, I mean (clears throat) , he went in and dem- demolished Diego Corrales.

Joe Rogan 34:45 Yes.

J. Prince 34:45 But I fell in love with Diego Corrales' heart afterwards. So, Diego end up going to jail and doing, like, a, a year or two prison time. And I went in prison and signed Diego Corrales. You know, I signed him in jail.

Joe Rogan 34:59 Did you really?

J. Prince 35:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:00 Wow.

J. Prince 35:00 Yeah. I, uh-

Joe Rogan 35:01 Wow.

J. Prince 35:01 ... got the blessings from Floyd. I said, "Floyd, you have a problem with me working with Diego?" He like, "No, no, he good, J. Nobody ... Just 'cause I done him like that don't mean nobody else could do him like that." So ...

Joe Rogan 35:12 What was that one wild fight he had wh- where he came close to s- getting stopped, and then he stopped a dude. It was-

J. Prince 35:18 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:19 It was the f- one of the fights that made him.

J. Prince 35:21 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 35:21 Do you remember who his opponent was?

J. Prince 35:22 Oh, that was, uh ... Oh, boy. That's the guy that they thought beat Floyd. You know, everybody say he beat Floyd the first fight. Floyd fought him, Castillo.

Joe Rogan 35:33 Yes.

J. Prince 35:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:34 Yes.

J. Prince 35:34 Castillo. You know, they claim Castillo beat Floyd the first time, and Floyd fought him again and demolished him.

Joe Rogan 35:40 Yeah.

J. Prince 35:40 But that fight was ... That was the best fight I ever saw in my life-

Joe Rogan 35:44 What a fight.

J. Prince 35:44 ... with him and Diego.

Joe Rogan 35:45 What a fight.

J. Prince 35:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:46 Crazy. Crazy.

J. Prince 35:47 And, and I'll tell you-

Joe Rogan 35:47 And for Diego to come back.

J. Prince 35:47 ... what was ... Yeah, I'll tell you what was really strange about that. So a couple years after that, on the same day, Diego got killed almost around the same time, you know, right on the next street behind my Las Vegas place. And I was called and, uh, you know, his wife was like, "Somebody say Diego had a motorcycle accident." So I rush on, uh, Fort Apache and there Diego was on the same exact day, you know, of his biggest victory, a couple years later the same day.

Joe Rogan 36:22 Mm.

J. Prince 36:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:24 That was a bummer when he died because, uh-

J. Prince 36:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:26 ... there's a lot of those dudes like that that are just wild dudes, and you can't stop them from being wild.

J. Prince 36:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:32 To have a career like he had, to make the kind of money that he had and still be just going crazy on motorcycles.

J. Prince 36:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:38 Like, the, what makes them great sometimes does them in-

J. Prince 36:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:43 ... is th- that heart, that courage and the, the willingness to face fear.

J. Prince 36:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:48 And some guys get addicted to that. They just (imitates motorbike)

J. Prince 36:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:52 They get addicted to that feeling-

J. Prince 36:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:54 ... of just ... You know it's dangerous. You know you shouldn't be doing it and you just ... You can't help yourself. You gun it.

J. Prince 36:59 Yeah. Yeah, and there's something about them motorcycles that make you want to gun them.

Joe Rogan 37:03 Oh, they're so thrilling.

J. Prince 37:05 You know.

Joe Rogan 37:05 They're too thrilling.

J. Prince 37:06 The high, the speed, you know, right? (laughs) I had to watch myself on them bikes. I'm like, "Man."

Joe Rogan 37:10 Do you still ride?

J. Prince 37:12 Not as much as I used to, but I, I like the Harleys, you know.

Joe Rogan 37:15 Yeah. That's a better move.

J. Prince 37:17 Yeah. Yeah, ho-

Joe Rogan 37:17 Lower, more controlled.

J. Prince 37:19 That's what I was trying to get Diego on-

Joe Rogan 37:21 Hmm.

J. Prince 37:21 ... but he told me that's a old man bike.

Joe Rogan 37:23 Well, he's got a point. (laughs)

J. Prince 37:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:27 I came real close to getting my motorcycle license, but when I was, uh... I was going through the whole thing and, you know, going through classes. And three people I know, one person saw someone get hit, and two people I know crashed. One, one crashed and really fucked up his shoulder. Another one got hit by a car.

J. Prince 37:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:46 Some old man ran a light and, and T-boned him and snapped his leg in half.

J. Prince 37:50 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:51 And I was like, "I... This is just too much."

J. Prince 37:53 Yeah, I kinda witnessed, like, three or four accidents in one year that made me decide to slow down on the-

Joe Rogan 38:00 Yeah.

J. Prince 38:00 ... riding stuff.

Joe Rogan 38:00 I was passing on the highway and I saw this dude laying down. They had a blanket over him.

J. Prince 38:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:05 And his bike is crashed, and he's laying down. He's got a blanket over him, but you could see, like, his chest and his head. He's still alive.

J. Prince 38:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:10 And he was just screaming-

J. Prince 38:12 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:12 ... in agony. And I don't know what the fuck was going on under the blanket, but they-

J. Prince 38:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:15 ... wanted to cover it.

J. Prince 38:16 Yeah, I can imagine.

Joe Rogan 38:17 Yeah. It's a terrible way to go. But when you're on it, it just seems like so much fun.

J. Prince 38:25 Yeah. It's a, it's a high.

Joe Rogan 38:27 Yeah.

J. Prince 38:27 (laughs) You know? It's a high of freedom, and, you know, the wind and everything.

Joe Rogan 38:33 Yeah.

J. Prince 38:33 You know, it's like flying, like a bird.

Joe Rogan 38:35 Yeah.

J. Prince 38:35 You know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:36 (laughs)

J. Prince 38:38 I just went there for a minute.

Joe Rogan 38:40 I know, yeah.

J. Prince 38:41 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:41 They could... So many fighters love them, you know? And, and again, it's the thing. It's like, what attracts them to fighting in the first place is they're... You know, they're the type of people that face fear. They-

J. Prince 38:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:52 They, they enjoy overcoming fear. They enjoy the thrill, you know?

J. Prince 38:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:57 Floyd never fucked with bikes, though, did he?

J. Prince 38:59 Nah.

Joe Rogan 39:00 Too smart.

J. Prince 39:01 Yeah. Yeah, no, he never done that.

Joe Rogan 39:02 Too smart-

J. Prince 39:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:03 ... you know? You know, the, uh, the Diego Carreras fight with Floyd was a, was a defining fight, but, you know, one of the things that when people point to, uh, to Floyd, I say, "Look at the Maidana fights." 'Cause he... Maidana gave him some difficulty in the first fight, but in the second fight, Floyd boxed his ears off.

J. Prince 39:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:21 Floyd put on a clinic in that second fight. And that shows you a guy who went back, looked at the fight, didn't enjoy his performance, was too close-

J. Prince 39:30 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:30 ... and decided, "I'm gonna fuck this dude up in this rematch-

J. Prince 39:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:33 ... and I'm gonna do everything right this time."

J. Prince 39:35 If you observe Floyd real closely, normally, the second half of all his fights, he cracked the code-

Joe Rogan 39:42 Mm-hmm.

J. Prince 39:42 ... where a fighter is concerned. No, no matter how close it was.

Joe Rogan 39:46 Yep.

J. Prince 39:46 The second half, he cracks that code and going into that second fight, he gonna figure it out. Same way Andre Ward.

Joe Rogan 39:53 Yep.

J. Prince 39:53 You know, he was the same way.

Joe Rogan 39:54 Like Kovalev, right?

J. Prince 39:56 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 39:56 The first fight's close. The second fight's-

J. Prince 39:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:58 ... wa- wasn't close at all.

J. Prince 39:59 No.

Joe Rogan 40:00 The crazy thing about Andre Ward, and I have, I've had Andre Ward on the podcast before, is that Andre fought most of his career with one arm.

J. Prince 40:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:07 And people didn't even know.

J. Prince 40:09 No.

Joe Rogan 40:09 They had no idea. He literally didn't have a right arm.

J. Prince 40:11 That's true.

Joe Rogan 40:11 He fucked everybody up with a left hand.

J. Prince 40:13 (laughs) It's true.

Joe Rogan 40:14 It's crazy.

J. Prince 40:15 It's true.

Joe Rogan 40:15 Guys like Karl, Froch, and-

J. Prince 40:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:18 ... and even Kovalev in the first fight.

J. Prince 40:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:20 I mean, it's, uh, amazing what he accomplished.

J. Prince 40:23 Yeah, big ups to Andre Ward. He just got-

Joe Rogan 40:25 That's amazing.

J. Prince 40:26 You know, they just injected him to the Hall of Fame, so-

Joe Rogan 40:28 Did they?

J. Prince 40:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:30 He's a, a unique human being.

J. Prince 40:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:32 Very unique, because when Canelo knocked out Kovalev, there was a lot of talk for... Uh, you know, Andre is still young. He's still in his prime-

J. Prince 40:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:42 ... as a human being. He could absolutely fight right now if he wanted to.

J. Prince 40:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:47 But he decided that he would be better serving boxing as a commentator and as a man with perfect faculties intact.

J. Prince 40:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:56 Retiring undefeated as a champion, two division champion, gold medalist-

J. Prince 41:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:01 ... in the Olympics. Perfect.

J. Prince 41:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:03 No problems.

J. Prince 41:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:05 When you look at him and when you hear him talk, there's no cognitive decline.

J. Prince 41:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:09 He's smooth. He's articulate. He's an outstanding gentleman.

J. Prince 41:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:13 Like, as a human being, he's a, uh, a very religious, devoutly religious person.

J. Prince 41:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:19 He's a stunning human being, man.

J. Prince 41:20 He is.

Joe Rogan 41:21 He really is.

J. Prince 41:22 No, in real life, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 41:24 Yeah.

J. Prince 41:24 I'm talking about from a close up.

Joe Rogan 41:25 Yeah.

J. Prince 41:26 You know, he, he the same way inside and outside the ring. He actually... You know, it was a lotta millions he walked away from.

Joe Rogan 41:32 A lot of millions.

J. Prince 41:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:34 A lot.

J. Prince 41:34 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 41:35 'Cause he was the guy that made the most sense. If Canelo is going to have a light heavyweight super fight, he's not really a light heavyweight. Everybody knows that. He stepped up and fought Kovalev, but Kovalev was kind of on the decline, and he fucked him up and stopped him.

J. Prince 41:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:50 But if you wanted to have a guy who's like the perfect foil-

J. Prince 41:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:53 ... for Canelo at light heavyweight, it's Andre Ward.

J. Prince 41:56 Most definitely.

Joe Rogan 41:57 It's Andre Ward. I mean, that would've been amazing. If they were in their prime, m- my God, what a fight that would've been.

J. Prince 42:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:03 My God.

J. Prince 42:04 Yeah. Who you like in that fight?

Joe Rogan 42:08 I would never bet against Andre Ward.

J. Prince 42:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:11 I just wouldn't bet against him. I just wouldn't bet against him.

J. Prince 42:14 Hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:15 I, I don't know if I'd bet against Canelo right now, though. I'll tell you-

J. Prince 42:18 Yeah. Oh, he's a beast.

Joe Rogan 42:18 Listen, I would watch that fight like this.

J. Prince 42:20 Yeah. No, he's a beast. He's a beast.

Joe Rogan 42:22 Canelo is a different human being post-Floyd.

J. Prince 42:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:26 Have you watched the Danny Jacobs fight? Danny Jacobs is throwing missiles at his head. (mimicking missiles)

J. Prince 42:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:31 And he's just standing in there moving, and-

J. Prince 42:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:34 And beautiful head movement. Beautiful.

J. Prince 42:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:37 Which, you know, he had a little bit of that early in his career, but post-Floyd-

J. Prince 42:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:41 ... his defense just rose considerably. Once he realized, like, "That dude was in front of me and I couldn't do shit."

J. Prince 42:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:48 You know? Like, that's that rub that-

J. Prince 42:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:50 ... you get when you fight a real world champ.

J. Prince 42:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:53 Not a world champion, but a greatest ever world champion.

J. Prince 42:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:56 And you realize, like, "Wow, there's fucking levels to this thing."

J. Prince 42:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:59 Yeah.

J. Prince 42:59 Make you better.

Joe Rogan 43:00 Yeah, 100%.

J. Prince 43:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:02 100%, and it definitely made Canelo better.

J. Prince 43:04 It did.

Joe Rogan 43:04 I mean, Canelo was gonna get better no matter what-

J. Prince 43:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:06 ... but there's no question that post-Floyd, it's a different Canelo.

J. Prince 43:11 Yeah. No, I, I just hope Floyd leave him alone and don't fight him at this point.

Joe Rogan 43:15 He's huge now.

J. Prince 43:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:16 He's so big.

J. Prince 43:17 But-

Joe Rogan 43:17 He's so big.

J. Prince 43:18 Yeah, Floyd smart, he would never-

Joe Rogan 43:20 Yeah.

J. Prince 43:21 ... even do that.

Joe Rogan 43:21 I mean, he's fighting at 175, you know?

J. Prince 43:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:25 And I think this f- this weekend's fight is 168, though, correct?

J. Prince 43:30 I think so.

Joe Rogan 43:30 Yeah.

J. Prince 43:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:31 The, uh, the gentleman he's fighting, Callum, is like ... He's like 6'4". Put, pull up the video of, uh, Canelo Alvarez. There's a face-off between Canelo Alvarez and, uh, this weekend's, uh, opponent. It's crazy how tall this dude is. Like it's, it's an interesting fight just based on, just the physical aspects of it.

J. Prince 43:52 Yeah. That guy is a, a quality fighter, too.

Joe Rogan 43:55 Yes.

J. Prince 43:56 It's not a, you know, gonna be easy for him, I don't believe.

Joe Rogan 43:59 No. And he's a dude that's a natural 168.

J. Prince 44:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:02 And you look at Canelo having started his career as a super ... as uh, uh, uh, junior middleweight. Look at this. Look at that.

J. Prince 44:10 Wow.

Joe Rogan 44:10 Look at Callum Smith. Look how big he is. That's crazy.

J. Prince 44:15 If he know how to use that reach properly, it can be a long night.

Joe Rogan 44:19 Well, Canelo has that nasty left hook.

J. Prince 44:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:21 That left hook to the body in Titus.

J. Prince 44:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:24 That's a big gentleman.

J. Prince 44:25 Wow.

Joe Rogan 44:26 Yeah. And he's a very, very good fighter. But, you know, that's what I admire about Canelo-

J. Prince 44:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:31 ... is that what he's ... that's what he's looking to fight.

J. Prince 44:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:33 He's looking to fight the guys like Danny Jacobs.

J. Prince 44:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:36 The guys like Callum Smith, the guys like, you know, uh, Sergey Kovalev. I mean, he's looking to fight the, the best fights that are available for him right now.

J. Prince 44:45 For sure. Yeah, that's true.

Joe Rogan 44:45 You know? He's, he's something special right now, but I think he became something special, like really, a lot of it was because of that Floyd fight.

J. Prince 44:53 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:53 'Cause Floyd shut him down.

J. Prince 44:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:56 If you look at Canelo in every other fight-

J. Prince 44:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:58 ... it's ... He's a wrecking machine. In that fight he looked like a guy who was just puzzled.

J. Prince 45:02 Yeah. He was puzzled.

Joe Rogan 45:04 Yeah.

J. Prince 45:04 Confused. He didn't know what to do.

Joe Rogan 45:07 It's amazing.

J. Prince 45:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:08 That ... I love that. I love seeing when, when people achieve a level of proficiency that's so powerful-

J. Prince 45:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:15 ... that a world champion standing in front of him going, "Fuck, man. I got a lot to learn."

J. Prince 45:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:20 Yeah.

J. Prince 45:22 True statement. It's levels to it, man. And I, I, I witnessed Floyd do that over and over-

Joe Rogan 45:27 Yeah.

J. Prince 45:27 ... to fighters that thought they were the best in, even in sparring. They're like, whoa.

Joe Rogan 45:32 Do you think it's crazy now that he's fighting YouTube stars and shit, though?

J. Prince 45:35 Mm, I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 45:36 I mean, he's making a lot of money.

J. Prince 45:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:37 It's brilliant in that regard-

J. Prince 45:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:39 ... like the Conor McGregor fight.

J. Prince 45:40 Yeah. I mean, I, I actually kinda like him not, you know, fighting a lot of these young guys. You know what I mean? I think it's good business moves. And, you know, he's older than this guy, and he's smaller than the guy.

Joe Rogan 45:54 A lot smaller. That dude's big.

J. Prince 45:56 So ... I think the scale balances off somewhat, you know. The guy is younger and he's bigger, so.

Joe Rogan 46:01 He's huge.

J. Prince 46:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:02 This dude's a 200-pound guy.

J. Prince 46:03 He's a heavyweight.

Joe Rogan 46:04 It's crazy.

J. Prince 46:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:06 The fact that he's doing this is crazy.

J. Prince 46:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:08 And the fact that he's doing this in Japan.

J. Prince 46:10 Mm.

Joe Rogan 46:10 Japan doesn't give a fuck. Did you see that fight that he fought with Tenshin Na- Nazukawa?

J. Prince 46:14 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:15 That was ridiculous.

J. Prince 46:16 He was-

Joe Rogan 46:17 That guy Tenshin is a badass kickboxer, like a really good kickboxer.

J. Prince 46:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:21 But he's 126 pounds.

J. Prince 46:24 Mm.

Joe Rogan 46:24 He's a tiny little dude. And the, the Japanese people, they love freak shows.

J. Prince 46:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:30 They put on some wild f- During the mixed martial arts heyday of Japan, they put on some wild fights, man. They had like 300-pound dudes fight 100-pound dudes.

J. Prince 46:38 Wow.

Joe Rogan 46:38 They didn't give a fuck.

J. Prince 46:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:38 They're like, "Let's, let's make some crazy shit happen."

J. Prince 46:41 Yeah, anything goes.

Joe Rogan 46:42 They really did.

J. Prince 46:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:43 They had this guy, uh, Minotauro Nogueira who was at the time the heavyweight champion of, of PRIDE.

J. Prince 46:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:49 And he was like a regular-sized heavyweight, like maybe 240, 240 pounds, and he fought Bob Sapp-

J. Prince 46:55 Wow.

Joe Rogan 46:56 ... who was 375 pounds with abs.

J. Prince 46:59 Wow.

Joe Rogan 47:00 Just chock-full of Mexican supplements, just smashing people.

J. Prince 47:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:04 And they, they had this crazy freak fight, and they did a lot of that in Japan. Japan enjoys watching these people fight that are, uh, mi- mismatched size-wise.

J. Prince 47:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:14 They enjoy that for whatever reason. So they enjoyed seeing Tenshin go over there and, and fight Floyd in a boxing match.

J. Prince 47:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:23 Where he's not really a boxer, he's a kickboxer. And, you know, to fight the best ever-

J. Prince 47:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:29 ... when he's 20, 30 pounds heavier than he was is just ridiculous.

J. Prince 47:33 Well, we saw what happened.

Joe Rogan 47:34 Yeah.

J. Prince 47:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:34 Well, Floyd looked like he didn't even train for that fight.

J. Prince 47:37 (laughs) No, he didn't have to.

Joe Rogan 47:38 (laughs)

J. Prince 47:39 You know, the guy is a genius at what he does and, uh, he knew just what to do, just let me walk him down.

Joe Rogan 47:45 Yeah. Well, it was funny when you see him smiling, when you see him smiling at him and walking forward.

J. Prince 47:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:50 It's like an execution.

J. Prince 47:51 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:53 Well, Floyd is ... He's brilliant at that, you know, like mad- maximizing his profits in his later years, you know. I mean, this, that fight was an exhibition, but the Conor McGregor fight was a legitimate fight.

J. Prince 48:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:07 Which is crazy. A guy with zero professional fights ever-

J. Prince 48:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:11 ... steps in there agai- against a guy who was 49-0 at the time. (laughs)

J. Prince 48:16 Yeah. They say show me the dollar.

Joe Rogan 48:18 Well, Floyd is so good at marketing. He's just so smart at that.

J. Prince 48:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:22 Did he learn a lot of that shit from you?

J. Prince 48:24 Um, I think, uh, we taught one another a lot of things, you know what I mean? But he definitely, uh, took things to a whole different level with what he done-

Joe Rogan 48:34 Yeah.

J. Prince 48:34 ... and accomplished, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:36 Um, but you, what happened with you guys? You guys had a falling out, right?

J. Prince 48:40 Well, I think it was more so, um, the group of guys he was with-

Joe Rogan 48:45 Mm-hmm.

J. Prince 48:46 ... and some of my guys, you know, and I, I wrote about it in, in my book, The Art and Science of Respect. Yeah, I, uh, I wrote about that story. Basically, uh, you know, they had convinced him to, uh, uh, not want to pay me after all the-

Joe Rogan 49:03 Hmm.

J. Prince 49:03 ... creative work that was put in and, you know, I, uh, was able to change his mind.

Joe Rogan 49:12 (laughs) That's what I heard.

J. Prince 49:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:15 But you guys are still cool?

J. Prince 49:16 Yeah, no, we're cool.

Joe Rogan 49:17 That's perfect.

J. Prince 49:17 That's the homie.

Joe Rogan 49:18 Yeah, beautiful.

J. Prince 49:19 You know, it never was about he and I, you know. We just, uh, um, had to agree to do the right thing, and we was able to do that, and, hey, that's the homie.

Joe Rogan 49:30 It's unfortunate that, you know, he didn't recognize your talents and, uh, have you stay involved with him, you know?

J. Prince 49:38 ... well, you know, I-

Joe Rogan 49:39 Or that his people didn't-

J. Prince 49:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:41 ... I should say.

J. Prince 49:42 You know, I, I enjoyed the journey. I was with him for four years and I helped lay the foundation that he was able to build off of. And, uh, you know, I'm grateful for, I'm grateful for that because that ignited my whole career where boxing was concerned. So, you know, life goes on.

Joe Rogan 50:01 Yeah.

J. Prince 50:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:02 Um, who ... You, you work with Shakur Stevenson right now?

J. Prince 50:05 Oh, yeah. Yeah, I have Shakur Stevenson. Oh, man, I got-

Joe Rogan 50:10 How many fighters do you have on your roster currently?

J. Prince 50:12 I think, like, like, 14 fighters I have, uh-

Joe Rogan 50:15 And I love that this a passion project for you.

J. Prince 50:17 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 50:17 That you... This is not, like, your main source of income by any means. This is just something you truly enjoy.

J. Prince 50:22 Yeah, no, I really love this. I have Shakur Steven, Tony Yoka, Jared Anderson, Tucker, Jihad Tucker, Julian Rodriguez, Mazi, Duke Reagan, Troy Isley.

Joe Rogan 50:35 So all levels.

J. Prince 50:36 Oh, man. I got-

Joe Rogan 50:37 All levels.

J. Prince 50:37 ... some of the best, man. I-

Joe Rogan 50:38 Yeah.

J. Prince 50:39 I've... What I've done and what I'm doing right now is actually, uh, making a move to take over. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:46 Mm.

J. Prince 50:47 You know, I'm, I'm predicting in 2021, '22, I should have a champion at every weight.

Joe Rogan 50:53 Now, do you have interest in management and promotion? Do you have interest in putting on shows?

J. Prince 51:00 No, no. You know, in boxing, you can only choose one or the other.

Joe Rogan 51:04 Right.

J. Prince 51:04 You can't participate in, in both worlds, so I'm a manager. I negotiate against the promoters. I protect the fighters.

Joe Rogan 51:11 That's the big issue with fighters. That's why I was gonna get to that-

J. Prince 51:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:13 ... is that fighters seem to have more conflicts. Like, the shit that happened with Bob Arum and Terence Crawford, that, that turned my stomach. When you got a guy as good as Terence Crawford who lit- legitimately could be one of the all-time greats, he might be already. One of the rare, like, a switch hitter who's just as good orthodox as he is at southpaw, figures everybody out-

J. Prince 51:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:43 ... beats everybody, and then he talks crazy shit, like about losing money promoting his fights. Like, uh, what the fuck are you talking about? Maybe you're doing a shitty job promoting him. You got, in your roster, one of the greatest of all time, a real stone-cold killer.

J. Prince 52:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:03 Terence Crawford is a stone-cold killer.

J. Prince 52:06 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 52:07 And you should be singing his praises. Knocked out Kell Brook with a jab.

J. Prince 52:13 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:13 I mean, it was basically a jab.

J. Prince 52:15 Yeah, it was a jab.

Joe Rogan 52:16 Yeah.

J. Prince 52:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:17 I mean, it's crazy. And then just, I mean, that's what started the party and then beat the fuck out of him afterwards, but he's something really unique.

J. Prince 52:25 Yeah. No, Terence is one of a kind, you know? No doubt about it. He's a special fighter.

Joe Rogan 52:31 But for Bob Arum to say that, it was like, it turned my stomach. I was like, "What are you doing? How can you say that?" Like, keep that sh- if you're losing all that money, like, keep... First of all, keep that shit to yourself, but what you should be saying is, "How good is Terence Crawford?" You should be letting everybody know. You should be shouting it from the mountaintops, "Look how good this guy is. We can't get this guy fights 'cause people are terrified of him because of this, 'cause he knocks out Kell Brook with a jab."

J. Prince 52:58 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:58 "Because he fucks everybody up. He figures people out. He figures you out orthodox, then he switches up southpaw on you and starts beating the brakes off you. He's something really unique."

J. Prince 53:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:08 I'm a giant Terence Crawford fan.

J. Prince 53:10 Me too.

Joe Rogan 53:11 Love that dude.

J. Prince 53:12 I can't wait to see him fight Errol Spence.

Joe Rogan 53:14 Woo, is that gonna be interesting.

J. Prince 53:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:17 Especially after Spence, his, his recent victory-

J. Prince 53:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:20 ... over Danny Garcia?

J. Prince 53:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:21 Yeah. Spence is something special too. I thought when that car accident happened, I thought, "Oh, my God. Oh, my God."

J. Prince 53:29 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:29 What's crazy is he survived 'cause he didn't have his fucking seatbelt on.

J. Prince 53:32 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:33 That's what's crazy.

J. Prince 53:35 That's real crazy. I think he... Well, let's go further than that. He survived because the creator protected him. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:42 Something happened. (laughs)

J. Prince 53:44 You know what I mean? It just-

Joe Rogan 53:45 Yeah, I mean, if you-

J. Prince 53:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:46 ... wanna believe the creator's protecting anyone, he protected-

J. Prince 53:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:49 ... Errol Spence that day.

J. Prince 53:50 Uh, yeah, most definitely.

Joe Rogan 53:51 'Cause that, that was, uh... You know, he's one of the fighters that's actually sponsored by my company, Honor, as well.

J. Prince 53:57 Okay.

Joe Rogan 53:57 Yeah, we sponsored Errol, like, early on, like years ago.

J. Prince 54:01 Okay.

Joe Rogan 54:01 He's a, he's a special fighter.

J. Prince 54:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:04 And he hasn't had the right dance partner to show his true greatness. You know, he's, he's, he's had great fighters, you know, to, to, to establish the fact, like Mikey Garcia-

J. Prince 54:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:15 ... like, man, he's something, he's something unique and special. But it's gonna take a fight like the Terence Crawford fight.

J. Prince 54:20 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 54:20 And that's... If you're a boxing fan, that's the, that's the obvious fight to make.

J. Prince 54:25 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:25 You know?

J. Prince 54:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:26 It's like Tyson Fury-Anthony Joshua, that's the obvious heavyweight fight to make.

J. Prince 54:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:32 And the obvious fight at that weight class is Errol Spence and Terence Crawford. It has to happen.

J. Prince 54:37 Sooner than later.

Joe Rogan 54:38 Sooner than later, right.

J. Prince 54:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:39 You don't want it to be like Pacquiao and Floyd where it happens too late.

J. Prince 54:43 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:46 What's happening here? Pound-for-pound rankings, Errol Spence Jr passes Terence Crawford. (gasps) What?

J. Prince 54:52 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:52 Blasphemy. Wow. Blasphemy.

J. Prince 54:55 Wow.

Joe Rogan 54:55 That's some shenanigans.

J. Prince 54:56 Who wrote that?

Joe Rogan 54:57 Yeah, that's shenanigans. I don't agree with that.

J. Prince 55:01 Well...

Joe Rogan 55:01 Number one, Canelo. Inoue, number two.

J. Prince 55:05 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:05 Hmm. That's interesting too.

J. Prince 55:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:07 I don't agree with that either.

J. Prince 55:08 Yeah, not a good thing.

Joe Rogan 55:09 But they're great.

J. Prince 55:10 (clears throat) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:10 Those are great fighters. Pound for pound's always weird though, too, right?

J. Prince 55:14 Yes, it's political.

Joe Rogan 55:16 Yes. Yeah, it is political. There's nothing wrong with, like, thinking that Errol Spence is one of the greats right now. He is. But I think-

J. Prince 55:24 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 55:24 ... he needs a victory over someone like Terence Crawford.

J. Prince 55:30 He been doing his thing, you know. Um, he been doing his thing but, uh, they just need to fight sooner than later.

Joe Rogan 55:37 Yeah.

J. Prince 55:37 You know what I mean? Let's, let's put all of that lip wrestling-

Joe Rogan 55:40 Yes.

J. Prince 55:41 ... to sleeping and getting in the ring.

Joe Rogan 55:42 Lip wrestling? (laughs)

J. Prince 55:44 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:44 Isn't that the thing though with promoters though? In boxing, it's very difficult to get champions to fight champions when they're represented by different promoters.

J. Prince 55:51 Yeah, (clears throat) that becomes political as well. And, and hopefully, uh...... uh, those boxing promoters. I know, I know Top Rank wanna fight Terence. I mean, wanna fight Spence. So it's just a matter of-

Joe Rogan 56:05 And who is Spence with?

J. Prince 56:06 ... uh, Al Haymon.

Joe Rogan 56:07 Okay.

J. Prince 56:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:08 Yeah.

J. Prince 56:08 It's a matter of them coming to the table and making it happen.

Joe Rogan 56:12 Tu- they just have to agree on terms. It's an exciting time for boxing, though. You know, boxing comes in waves.

J. Prince 56:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:18 And right now, it's an exciting time for boxing.

J. Prince 56:20 It is. It is.

Joe Rogan 56:20 There's a lot of great match-ups out there.

J. Prince 56:22 It is. I'm excited about Shakur Stevenson. Did you see him fight the other night?

Joe Rogan 56:27 I didn't. No.

J. Prince 56:28 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 56:28 I didn't watch the fight.

J. Prince 56:29 I mean, he's, to me, he gonna be a Mayweather on steroids.

Joe Rogan 56:33 Really?

J. Prince 56:33 Yeah. I, I really view him up on the, the ladder like that.

Joe Rogan 56:37 Well, I, it's one of the fights that I, I set aside that I have to make the time. I'm just too goddamn busy-

J. Prince 56:42 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:42 ... to sit down and watch it.

J. Prince 56:43 I mean, it wasn't nowhere near close. It was kinda like a lot of flawed fights in the beginning stages, where he just dominate every round.

Joe Rogan 56:51 Wow.

J. Prince 56:51 But you can still see that sweet art of what he was doing, and you're like, "Wow. Okay." (laughs) He gonna do the same thing, you know, on the other levels.

Joe Rogan 57:01 It's an interesting time now, because these fights are being held with no audience.

J. Prince 57:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:06 You know, or very limited audience. Like, uh, Anthony Joshua's fight, they, they held it in London, and there was some audience members, but they were very spaced out.

J. Prince 57:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:17 And what do you think about that?

J. Prince 57:19 Well, I think we have to adjust to, you know, the world and the reality of what's taking place right now. You know, in a perfect world... You know, I miss the sounds.

Joe Rogan 57:29 Yeah.

J. Prince 57:29 You know, the... Yeah, that whole thing where the audience is concerned, that's, that's missed dramatically, but hey, we have to adjust and do things by the rules, so.

Joe Rogan 57:39 I miss it, but I have to tell you, um, calling UFC fights live with no audience?

J. Prince 57:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:45 There's two different... I, I, I view it as this way. It's almost like going to see an acoustic concert-

J. Prince 57:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:51 ... versus, like, a big arena filled with people in a, a, like a, a rock concert.

J. Prince 57:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:57 Like, with electric guitars versus an acoustic guitar.

J. Prince 58:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:00 There's something about the intimacy of these shows where the fights are taking place with no audience. You could hear the corner men screaming out instructions.

J. Prince 58:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:09 You could hear the grunts when dudes get hit.

J. Prince 58:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:12 You could hear the heavy breathing. It's like, first of all, for me, as a commentator, to be there live-

J. Prince 58:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:18 ... I feel so fortunate, 'cause I'm like, I'm one of 20 people that's in, in the room to watch this world championship fight.

J. Prince 58:25 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:26 And there's something about it that's like, it makes it extra special. And-

J. Prince 58:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:30 Even watching the fights at home, I kinda like it.

J. Prince 58:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:33 I like, I like no audience.

J. Prince 58:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:35 You hear more.

J. Prince 58:36 No, that's true.

Joe Rogan 58:37 Yeah.

J. Prince 58:37 That's true. You got a point. I mean, I, I like it both ways, but if I had to choose, I, I want the people there.

Joe Rogan 58:44 Yeah.

J. Prince 58:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:45 Well, yeah. If I had to choose, I'd want the people there because I want more people to experience it. I don't wanna be selfish.

J. Prince 58:50 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:51 But if I'm being selfish-

J. Prince 58:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:54 ... I kinda like no audience.

J. Prince 58:57 (laughs) Yeah. No, that's real.

Joe Rogan 58:57 You just hear more.

J. Prince 58:58 That's real.

Joe Rogan 58:59 But there's something wild about some, about crazy, when crazy shit happens and the whole place gets on their feet-

J. Prince 59:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:05 ... and goes nuts.

J. Prince 59:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:06 And then when the fight is over, just the roar of the crowd.

J. Prince 59:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:09 There's something, there's something wild about that.

J. Prince 59:11 And it's something wild about a fighter that may be down, and he energized by-

Joe Rogan 59:15 Yes.

J. Prince 59:16 ... the crowd and make a comeback.

Joe Rogan 59:18 Yes.

J. Prince 59:18 You know?

Joe Rogan 59:18 Yes.

J. Prince 59:19 So, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:21 So is that, like, what, your most satisfying business venture, like, being involved in boxing?

J. Prince 59:26 It is. That's, that's my first love, and, uh, you know, I just, I just think boxing is the most exciting sport in the world, you know? Uh, so I'm, I'm in love with boxing, and I, I, uh, feel more joy in that space than a lot of the other businesses that I'm in.

Joe Rogan 59:44 Well, it's, uh, it's such a pure sport.

J. Prince 59:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:49 You know? The, the highs are so high and the lows are so low, and, you know, especially when it comes to knockouts, the, the-

J. Prince 59:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:55 ... finishes are so definitive. What, how, what is your take on this, uh, this whole Deontay Wilder shit?

J. Prince 1:00:02 (laughs) Uh, you know, man, I don't, I don't, uh, understand what's going on, you know, with, uh, Deontay. Uh, from what I'm hearing is they may be trying to stop the Fury and Joshua fight from taking place. And, you know, my thing is if he not gonna fight, get out the way.

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 Yeah.

J. Prince 1:00:23 Let, let the movement continue, because I don't... Like, I tell you what, I think he missed an opportunity. He should've fought Fury in December, because I think he may have, would've had a edge conditioning-wise, 'cause Fury, you know, wasn't in that gym properly.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 Oh, he wasn't?

J. Prince 1:00:43 No, I don't think he was in that gym properly around that time, so.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 So after the rematch, Fury slacked off?

J. Prince 1:00:52 Well, I don't know how much he slacked off, but I do know, you know, he wasn't where he was supposed to be.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 He gets fat. He likes to get fat.

J. Prince 1:01:00 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:00 He parties a little bit.

J. Prince 1:01:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 Yeah.

J. Prince 1:01:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 It's just, it, it, it bothers me because, uh, you know, I've talked to Deontay. I had Deontay in here, and I'm, I have a lot of respect for him, and I have a lot of admiration for him, and his power is legendary.

J. Prince 1:01:14 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 His power's crazy.

J. Prince 1:01:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 His power's like he's got magic.

J. Prince 1:01:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 You know?

J. Prince 1:01:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 When he knocked out Ortiz, he hit him in the forehead and just shut his lights out. It's like, who the fuck does that?

J. Prince 1:01:24 He got power.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 It's like it's magic.

J. Prince 1:01:26 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 But when I saw, first of all, he get rid of Breland. Mark Breland-

J. Prince 1:01:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 ... is, you know, Olympic gold medalist.

J. Prince 1:01:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 Former world champion. Uh, uh, uh, just, not just a great fighter, but a great human being, a great coach.

J. Prince 1:01:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 And was looking out for his best interest when he stopped that fight. He knew what was happening.

J. Prince 1:01:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 He's like, "This has to stop." And then the excuses.

J. Prince 1:01:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 The excuses bother me.

J. Prince 1:01:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 Because when fighters start making weird excuses, that means that no one's around them to go, "Hey, man-"

J. Prince 1:01:54 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 "... stop. Stop. Stop. Stop."

J. Prince 1:01:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 "Stop. What the fuck are you saying?"

J. Prince 1:01:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 "What the fuck are you saying?"

J. Prince 1:01:58 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 The, the, your costume was the reason why you got knocked out?

J. Prince 1:02:01 Yeah. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:02 And then it wasn't just the costume. Then it was like somebody might've poisoned him.

J. Prince 1:02:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 And then it was Tyson Fury has egg weights in his, in his gloves.

J. Prince 1:02:09 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 And then it was the gloves aren't on properly, so that their-... you know, the knuckles were at the bottom part of the glove and the top part was just flopping around.

J. Prince 1:02:18 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 It doesn't make any sense. And it doesn't make any sense for a guy who was in boxing.

J. Prince 1:02:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 Because anybody who knows how Tyson Fury fights-

J. Prince 1:02:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 ... and understands boxing, Tyson does a lot of this shit.

J. Prince 1:02:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 He does a lot of like, he's, he's showing you this to set you up with that.

J. Prince 1:02:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:35 'Cause the hands are flopping around-

J. Prince 1:02:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 ... because he's being loose and he's giving you this.

J. Prince 1:02:40 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 And people are like, "Your hand doesn't bend back that way." Well, the fuck it doesn't. It does when you do that. It d- it might not if you go like this.

J. Prince 1:02:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 It doesn't go all the way up, but if you do that-

J. Prince 1:02:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 ... that's exactly what happens.

J. Prince 1:02:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 And he's doing that with his hands. He's flicking his hands out there, showing him that, and then, and then dropping the right hand on him.

J. Prince 1:02:59 I was in training camp with Tyson Fury. I, I have a heavyweight by the name of Jared Anderson that sparred with Tyson Fury to help him get ready (clears throat) for that fight and Tyson Fury was working hard. And that jab and everything that's being complained about, he was doing the same thing in sparring. Wasn't nothing to it. You know what I mean? It's organic. And, you know, you just got to tip his hat to the guy. He was a better guy that night.

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 Yeah.

J. Prince 1:03:26 And he worked hard. I, I witnessed him. He worked hard for that fight and he was victorious.

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 It's just sad when a great champion like Deontay Wilder, who literally knocked out every single-

J. Prince 1:03:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 ... opponent other than Tyson Fury and Stiverne in the first fight.

J. Prince 1:03:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:43 I mean, he had an incredible record.

J. Prince 1:03:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 When you look at the guy's record, he has one single decision.

J. Prince 1:03:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 Every other fight, he won by knockout. Who the fuck does that?

J. Prince 1:03:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 Who the fuck does that?

J. Prince 1:03:57 Tyson couldn't accomplish that, he didn't acc-

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 No one accomplished that. You can make a real argument that Deontay Wilder, up until that second Tyson Fury fight-

J. Prince 1:04:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 ... was the greatest knockout artist of all time.

J. Prince 1:04:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 Especially in the heavyweight division. May not of, definitely didn't face the stiff competition that Mike Tyson did-

J. Prince 1:04:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:14 ... or that any of the other greats did. Larry Holmes did, or-

J. Prince 1:04:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 ... many greats. But what he did-

J. Prince 1:04:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 ... was extraordinary.

J. Prince 1:04:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 The, the kind of power that he exhibits is just... A key, like, like-

J. Prince 1:04:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 ... uh, Teddy Atlas said it best. It's like, he's like Thor. He's like, he's got that hammer.

J. Prince 1:04:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 And like, it does it, it's like it's an eraser. It erases all the mistakes you might've made in the earlier rounds.

J. Prince 1:04:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 Blah!

J. Prince 1:04:39 Yeah, it's from the jungle. I don't know what... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 (laughs)

J. Prince 1:04:41 (laughs) I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 It's from, it's from the center of the earth, man.

J. Prince 1:04:45 Yeah. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 It's like the earth's core inside his glove.

J. Prince 1:04:48 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 It's crazy.

J. Prince 1:04:49 Yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 But sometimes, and I'm sure you see this as a manager, sometimes when a person has extraordinary gifts, like the extraordinary gift of power, they don't develop the technical aspects of boxing-

J. Prince 1:05:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 ... the way as- a person who maybe has soft hands does.

J. Prince 1:05:06 Yeah. That's true. And, and even with speed a lot of times, you know what I mean? If they get away, like Roy Jones for example.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 Yes.

J. Prince 1:05:13 I think he got away years because of speed and his fundamentals-

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Yes.

J. Prince 1:05:18 ... wasn't as sound as, uh, you know, they should've been.

Joe Rogan 1:05:22 Well, you saw that in the Hopkins rematch, right?

J. Prince 1:05:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 'Cause Bernard Hopkins was all about fundamentals.

J. Prince 1:05:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 All about defense and discipline.

J. Prince 1:05:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 And Hopkins lost a close decision to Roy in the first fight-

J. Prince 1:05:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 ... but then beat Roy in the second fight-

J. Prince 1:05:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 ... when he was actually older than Roy. But Roy's decline was more obvious because Roy's game was so dynamic.

J. Prince 1:05:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 He was all about leaping left hooks and-

J. Prince 1:05:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 ... when Roy was in his prime, he was a force of nature.

J. Prince 1:05:50 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 I mean, he really, really was. Roy was, in my opinion, the most impressive physical specimen inside a boxing ring I've ever seen.

J. Prince 1:05:58 A lot of people don't know, but Roy was faster than Floyd.

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 That's crazy.

J. Prince 1:06:04 Yeah, a lot of people don't believe that 'cause he was light heavyweight. His speed was faster than Floyd's speed.

Joe Rogan 1:06:10 I can believe it.

J. Prince 1:06:11 Shit, I've witnessed it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:15 (laughs)

J. Prince 1:06:16 It's crazy speed, man. He wants the speed, you know. For all the times is- is undefeated.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 Undefeated.

J. Prince 1:06:22 You know what I mean? So when he start arriving, you know, things change. Shit just kinda go downhill to a certain extent.

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 Well, I think it was that, but I really think a big factor was the, the l- beating John Ruiz at heavyweight-

J. Prince 1:06:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 ... and then draining his body down-

J. Prince 1:06:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 ... to 175 to go back and fight Tarver again.

J. Prince 1:06:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:40 To fight Tarver and then fight Tarver again. It's just, it was too much weight loss.

J. Prince 1:06:45 Wow, man. You know, now that's a whole nother story because I had a meeting with Roy Jones and Mike Tyson at my ranch for them to fight one another before that fight.

Joe Rogan 1:06:56 Really?

J. Prince 1:06:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:57 How long ago?

J. Prince 1:06:58 Oh, I, I got that in the book also. The picture-

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 Oh, yeah?

J. Prince 1:07:00 ... and everything. Me, Roy, and Mike Tyson at the ranch and, uh, we actually left there in agreement to, to make that fight. And, uh, you know, right toward the end, I think me and Roy, we went and met with the Maloofe brothers, uh, at The Palms.

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 There it is.

J. Prince 1:07:20 Yeah. And, uh, you know, Roy decided, I think, I think, uh, uh, what's his name? Tarver was talking so much shit, man, until Roy was like, "Let me go, let me go take care of him one more time."

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 (inhales deeply) Ooh.

J. Prince 1:07:33 And I was like, "Roy, man, it's, let's get that bird, you know, in the hand versus that one in the bush." And, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:07:40 (laughs)

J. Prince 1:07:41 Yeah, he went to take care of Tarver, man. That's the only reason that fight didn't come to fruition.

Joe Rogan 1:07:46 Tarver's no joke.

J. Prince 1:07:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:48 Tarver's real. When, when Tarver's standing in front of Roy at the rematch and he goes-

J. Prince 1:07:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:52 ... "You got any excuses tonight, Roy?"

J. Prince 1:07:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:54 Like, right before the far starts, th- before the, before the fight starts, like-

J. Prince 1:07:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:57 Oh my god.

J. Prince 1:07:58 Yeah, that kinda threw me off-

Joe Rogan 1:08:00 Oh my god.

J. Prince 1:08:00 ... when I heard him say that. I said, "What that dude talking about in the ring to Roy?"

Joe Rogan 1:08:03 And then to win by knockout after that.

J. Prince 1:08:05 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:08:06 Man.

J. Prince 1:08:06 Unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 1:08:07 Yeah. Tarver's, uh, he doesn't get the respect that he deserves either.

J. Prince 1:08:10 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:11 Tarver was a great, great boxer.

J. Prince 1:08:13 Yeah, he was.

Joe Rogan 1:08:13 Is he... I think he's still active as a heavyweight too, right?

J. Prince 1:08:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:16 Like up until recently?

J. Prince 1:08:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:18 I believe he had a fight within the last couple of years.

J. Prince 1:08:20 Yeah, I think he, uh, got de-... uh, discipline because of, um, um, steroids or something and he hadn't came back to-

Joe Rogan 1:08:28 You want to go to heavyweight- (laughs)

J. Prince 1:08:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:31 ... you gotta get involved with Mexican supplements. (laughs)

J. Prince 1:08:33 He a good guy though. I liked Tarver.

Joe Rogan 1:08:35 Yeah.

J. Prince 1:08:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:36 A w- a talented fighter.

J. Prince 1:08:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:38 A very talented fighter.

J. Prince 1:08:39 He had a big heart.

Joe Rogan 1:08:39 Yeah. It's funny how those things pla- like line up. Like, he could have been Mike Tyson versus Roy Jones Jr. when they were both in their prime.

J. Prince 1:08:49 Right. That's true. I really like the way Bernard Hopkins was able to... You saw the way, you saw the way he done Tarver? I think that was-

Joe Rogan 1:08:58 Yeah.

J. Prince 1:08:58 ... that was amazing the way he just dissected-

Joe Rogan 1:09:01 Hopkins shuts people down.

J. Prince 1:09:02 Yeah. He's a beast.

Joe Rogan 1:09:02 When he fought Felix Trinidad, I will never forget that, because everybody thought that Felix Trinidad was this young, up and coming lion, and I believe Bernard was about 36 at the time.

J. Prince 1:09:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:13 And people were writing him off. But Bernard Hopkins beat the brakes off of Felix Trinidad.

J. Prince 1:09:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:18 And I, I remember watching that fight. I'm like, "My God."

J. Prince 1:09:21 Yeah. He done the same thing with a guy I used to manage, uh, Winky Wright.

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 Oh, yeah. I remember that.

J. Prince 1:09:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:27 I remember that.

J. Prince 1:09:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:28 Winky Wright was a great defensive fighter too.

J. Prince 1:09:31 Oh, yeah. Good jabs.

Joe Rogan 1:09:32 He was so clever.

J. Prince 1:09:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:33 So clever.

J. Prince 1:09:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:34 Well, I mean, how about what he did with Kelly Pavlik?

J. Prince 1:09:37 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:37 That was another... Everybody was like, "Well, now, for sure, it's over."

J. Prince 1:09:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:40 You know, this is years past Felix Trinidad. Kelly Pavlik's a knockout artist.

J. Prince 1:09:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:45 You know, and everybody's like, "Well, this is gonna be the one."

J. Prince 1:09:48 Nah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:49 No.

J. Prince 1:09:49 Amazing fighter.

Joe Rogan 1:09:50 Yeah.

J. Prince 1:09:50 Sweet size, he had it down pat.

Joe Rogan 1:09:53 Well, he was just so smart at being safe and roughing you up and knowing how to be, like, aggressive on the inside and clinching you and frustrating guys.

J. Prince 1:10:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:03 And just his fundament-... He was never out of position.

J. Prince 1:10:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:06 His fundamentals were so good. His defense is so good.

J. Prince 1:10:09 Yeah. No, that's one of them special type of fighters for a long time.

Joe Rogan 1:10:14 Long time. World class, deep into his late 40s.

J. Prince 1:10:18 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:18 World class. I mean-

J. Prince 1:10:20 From Mars.

Joe Rogan 1:10:21 Crazy.

J. Prince 1:10:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:22 I mean, well, that's why he had to change his nickname from the Executioner to the Alien. (laughs)

J. Prince 1:10:26 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:27 'Cause people are like, "How the fuck are you doing this?"

J. Prince 1:10:29 Yeah. Push-ups between rounds.

Joe Rogan 1:10:31 Yeah. Crazy. Yeah.

J. Prince 1:10:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:33 No, he's extraordinary.

J. Prince 1:10:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:34 I, I love his story too because when he went to jail and then got out, one of the guards said, "I'll see you back in here."

J. Prince 1:10:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:42 And he remembers that guy.

J. Prince 1:10:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:44 And remembers... Using that as motivation.

J. Prince 1:10:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:47 Like, "The fuck you will."

J. Prince 1:10:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:49 Whoops.

J. Prince 1:10:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:51 We got crazy, Jamie.

J. Prince 1:10:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:53 Do we have a broom?

J. Prince 1:10:54 Uh, we can get something like that.

Joe Rogan 1:10:55 All right. We'll leave that alone for now. It's just a glass.

J. Prince 1:10:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:59 But it's, um... The whole sport of boxing is, uh... There's a lot of life in that. It's like what you put in is what you achieve, like the re-

J. Prince 1:11:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:12 Your results are dependent upon the way you process things and the way you approach things.

J. Prince 1:11:18 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:18 It's s- so much to that and that's one of the things that I love so much about combat sports, is that there... How much you put into that-

J. Prince 1:11:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:27 ... is, is what you get out of it.

J. Prince 1:11:29 That's right. You know, it's, it's just like the universal li- I mean, laws of life. You know, you reap what you sow. And if you decide to take a shortcut, it's gonna show.

Joe Rogan 1:11:39 Yeah.

J. Prince 1:11:40 (laughs) Yeah. It's gonna show.

Joe Rogan 1:11:42 Now, as a person that is y- y- you're, you're so much... You're so, uh, invested in, in discipline and respect and honor, like, uh, it's kind of a perfect sport for you to be involved in, in a lot of ways because it, it represents so many of those different aspects of human character.

J. Prince 1:12:01 Yeah. N- Yeah, I agree. I hadn't thought of it in that aspect. But you're right, you know? You're right. But I just... Man, I'm, I'm just in love with the sport of boxing and it just been that way since I was a kid for some reason, like a magnet. I remember seeing Don King with the, the hair and-

Joe Rogan 1:12:19 Yeah.

J. Prince 1:12:19 ... Muhammad Ali and, man, I was mesmerized like, "Wow. That looks special."

Joe Rogan 1:12:25 I got interested in boxing when I was a little kid. My parents were hippies. Like, they weren't into boxing.

J. Prince 1:12:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:31 But when Muhammad Ali had a rematch with Leon Spinks-

J. Prince 1:12:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:12:35 ... after Muhammad Ali lost his title to Leon Spinks and then had a rematch, my parents made us all watch it.

J. Prince 1:12:41 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:12:42 Because Muhammad Ali represented way more than boxing-

J. Prince 1:12:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:45 ... to the culture, to just to human beings at the time.

J. Prince 1:12:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:48 He represented this guy who stood up against the Vietnam War-

J. Prince 1:12:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:12:52 ... who, who, who stood up for people in a way that he risked his career.

J. Prince 1:12:57 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:58 Got shut down for three years in his prime.

J. Prince 1:13:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:01 After, arguably, like, one of the most devastating performances. He fought Cleveland Big Cat Williams, lights him up like a Christmas tree-

J. Prince 1:13:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:08 ... and then they make him take three years off.

J. Prince 1:13:10 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:13:11 Just because he wouldn't fight in the Vietnam War.

J. Prince 1:13:14 Yeah. Yeah. No, Ali actually put his life on the line.

Joe Rogan 1:13:18 Yeah.

J. Prince 1:13:18 You know, that's, that's why I call him the greatest of all time. Because of the, the things he done outside of the ring and the things he stood for.

Joe Rogan 1:13:26 Yeah. He was something other than just a world champion, other than just a boxer.

J. Prince 1:13:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:33 And I remember when my parents... I was... I don't know how old I was at the time. I was probably eight or nine years old. But when my parents made me sat- sit down and watch that fight, I remember thinking, "I can't believe my parents give a fuck about boxing."

J. Prince 1:13:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:13:45 Like, "What is this?"

J. Prince 1:13:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:47 And I think that was what got me really interested in boxing.

J. Prince 1:13:51 Yeah. Yeah. It was bigger than boxing when Ali took that, that-

Joe Rogan 1:13:54 Yes.

J. Prince 1:13:55 ... that, you know, that stage, man. He... Special, special, special. I went to his funeral and, um, I never had an experience like that with all the coaches and different things. I was, I was, like, stunned. Like, "Wow." You know, people from all over the world was there speaking.

Joe Rogan 1:14:14 Really?

J. Prince 1:14:15 Yeah. It was really interesting.

Joe Rogan 1:14:17 Well, I mean, when he was alive, he was the most famous human being on Earth.

J. Prince 1:14:21 Yeah.... you know, I guess hearing about that was one thing, but to actually be sitting there and witnessing, you know, all these different people from around the world, you know, what he meant to them. I was like, "Wow. He was a special guy."

Joe Rogan 1:14:38 He was a special guy, and there's a lot of lessons to be learned, both good and bad from his life as well.

J. Prince 1:14:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:43 You know, particularly to a- about the end of his career.

J. Prince 1:14:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:14:47 Some of the saddest shit and, and not just that, but the, the way he was taken advantage of.

J. Prince 1:14:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:53 And, you know, that his need for money-

J. Prince 1:14:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:56 ... that he had not prepared properly and invested properly, and just lived a little too loose and wild, and then had to take those fights, like with Trevor Berbick.

J. Prince 1:15:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:05 Those were sad fights.

J. Prince 1:15:06 Yeah. Definitely the one with, um... Who was that he fought? N- uh, form- uh-

Joe Rogan 1:15:11 Larry Holmes?

J. Prince 1:15:12 Larry Holmes. Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 1:15:14 Oh.

J. Prince 1:15:14 I, I left that fight kinda upset with Holmes.

Joe Rogan 1:15:16 Yeah.

J. Prince 1:15:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:15:17 A lot of people were.

J. Prince 1:15:18 You know what I mean? I really think he went, uh, that extra. H- he didn't have to, but he-

Joe Rogan 1:15:25 Yeah.

J. Prince 1:15:25 ... he went there.

Joe Rogan 1:15:26 Well, he was his sparring partner.

J. Prince 1:15:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:28 He was Ali's sparring partner for a long time, and I think there was probably a bridge he had to cross to consider himself, like, the real champion. And I think it ruined his career.

J. Prince 1:15:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:40 Because I think Larry Holmes never really got the respect that he deserved because of that, because people resented him-

J. Prince 1:15:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:45 ... for, you know, for doing that, and then also just living in the shadow-

J. Prince 1:15:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:15:51 ... of Ali.

J. Prince 1:15:52 Yeah, you can only imagine how many whoopings he took from Ali-

Joe Rogan 1:15:56 Mm-hmm.

J. Prince 1:15:56 ... coming up.

Joe Rogan 1:15:57 Yeah.

J. Prince 1:15:58 You know, that thing went deeper than what was (laughs) in front of the TV.

Joe Rogan 1:16:01 The problem is we didn't see that.

J. Prince 1:16:02 (laughs) Exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:16:03 All we saw was this beloved champion-

J. Prince 1:16:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:16:05 ... who was this cultural icon-

J. Prince 1:16:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:07 ... get the shit beat out of him by this young-

J. Prince 1:16:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:10 ... up and coming champion.

J. Prince 1:16:12 Yeah, just like with, uh, Kobe and Jordan. I remember seeing Kobe, like, shit Jordan down in the All Star game, and I was like, "Man, raise up, Kobe. Let the- let Jordan shine his last game."

Joe Rogan 1:16:24 (laughs)

J. Prince 1:16:25 You know? But Ko- Kobe wasn't trying to hear it.

Joe Rogan 1:16:27 Yeah, you can't.

J. Prince 1:16:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:29 At least that's acceptable.

J. Prince 1:16:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:31 'Cause in basketball it's, you know, it, it might have felt terrible for Jordan-

J. Prince 1:16:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:37 ... but it's not a beating.

J. Prince 1:16:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:16:39 That's the thing about boxing is you-

J. Prince 1:16:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:41 ... pay for it with your health.

J. Prince 1:16:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:43 And, and those consequences, the consequences of a, a big... Like, Meldrik Taylor was never the same-

J. Prince 1:16:49 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 1:16:49 ... after the Julio Cesar Chavez fight.

J. Prince 1:16:51 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 1:16:51 It was never the same.

J. Prince 1:16:52 Oh, wasn't that a brutal fight, man?

Joe Rogan 1:16:54 Brutal fight.

J. Prince 1:16:56 Man.

Joe Rogan 1:16:56 When Richard Steele stopped, it was, like, two seconds to go on the clock-

J. Prince 1:16:59 Whoa, man.

Joe Rogan 1:16:59 ... or something crazy.

J. Prince 1:17:00 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 1:17:01 But that's an- a great example that I always use of a fight where the fighter is never the same again.

J. Prince 1:17:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:07 You don't recover from some fights.

J. Prince 1:17:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:09 Some fights take all of it out of you.

J. Prince 1:17:11 Yep, leave it right there.

Joe Rogan 1:17:13 Yeah.

J. Prince 1:17:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:14 He was never the same after that.

J. Prince 1:17:16 Never.

Joe Rogan 1:17:16 And then I remember his fight with Terry Norris after that.

J. Prince 1:17:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:20 You could see that he was just not the same.

J. Prince 1:17:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:23 He wasn't the same guy.

J. Prince 1:17:25 And Terry is not the same guy.

Joe Rogan 1:17:27 He's not the same guy now, that's for sure.

J. Prince 1:17:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:28 Yeah. Well, he had a lot of rough fights too. Julian Jackson.

J. Prince 1:17:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:33 You know?

J. Prince 1:17:34 Man, you're a real student of boxing, man.

Joe Rogan 1:17:35 Love boxing.

J. Prince 1:17:37 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:17:37 Love it. The heart.

J. Prince 1:17:39 Man, I feel like I'm sitting here talking to an encyclopedia, man.

Joe Rogan 1:17:42 Hmm.

J. Prince 1:17:42 You, you know the game, man.

Joe Rogan 1:17:44 Yeah. Well-

J. Prince 1:17:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:45 ... Julian Jackson was one of those rare special punchers.

J. Prince 1:17:48 Ooh, man.

Joe Rogan 1:17:49 Phew.

J. Prince 1:17:49 Fucking special.

Joe Rogan 1:17:50 Special.

J. Prince 1:17:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:50 Special power.

J. Prince 1:17:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:52 You know? But then when Julian met Gerald McClellan-

J. Prince 1:17:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:55 ... Gerald McClellan's like, "I'll show you a special puncher."

J. Prince 1:17:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:59 You know?

J. Prince 1:18:00 Yeah, and look what happened with him.

Joe Rogan 1:18:01 That's another one, right?

J. Prince 1:18:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:03 Well, that was one of- one of the things that I talked to Roy about, that that made Roy, like, really second guess and, and think about his career, because-

J. Prince 1:18:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:18:10 ... when Gerald McClellan was coming up, he was thought to be the big rival for Roy Jones Jr.

J. Prince 1:18:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:17 Everybody thought, "That's gonna be the big fight."

J. Prince 1:18:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:19 "When those two guys get together, that is gonna be th- our version of, in- in that