Joe Rogan Experience #1584 - Todd White

1. 0:00 – 1:23

   Reuniting in Texas: old friends, new home base

   1. TWTodd White0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) Hey, buddy.

   4. TWTodd White0:15

      Hello, Tom Wade. How are you, my friend?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      What's up, buddy? Dude, you're one of the reasons why I'm here.

   6. TWTodd White0:19

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      I remember you told me multiple years ago, like when... How many years ago did you move here?

   8. TWTodd White0:23

      I moved here seven years ago.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      And you were telling me how fucking great it is. I remember running into you, you're like, "Dude, it's fucking great. I love it." I'm like, "Man, I don't know."

   10. TWTodd White0:31

       You said, "My wife would never move there."

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       (laughs)

   12. TWTodd White0:34

       That's what you said. We were at, we were at-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Yeah.

   14. TWTodd White0:36

       ... the Commons at Marmalade.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Yeah, Calabasas.

   16. TWTodd White0:38

       Yeah, in Calabasas.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Yeah, yeah. Well, uh, dude, I've known you for what, fucking 20 years?

   18. TWTodd White0:43

       Yeah. So-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Um, I probably met you in, like, 2000-ish or something like that. Uh, maybe before.

   20. TWTodd White0:49

       I, I... The day you walked into Jean Jacques's, I was on the mat and we were rolling and you came walking in. And I had... I was a fan of your first show (laughs) you ever did. And I saw you and I go, "Oh, shit, that's Joe Rogan." And my friend says, uh, "Who's that? Who's that?" I go, "He's on a show. He's on News Radio." And, uh, he goes, "Oh, I don't know who that is." And I go, "Yeah, he's the pl- He's the, uh-"

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Handyman.

   22. TWTodd White1:09

       Handyman. He's a mechanic. He's always running around with his toolbox. And he goes, "I don't know who he is." And I go, "Okay, well..." And then that was the first time I ever saw you and you came in.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       That's like '98, dude.

   24. TWTodd White1:17

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       I think it's like '98.

   26. TWTodd White1:18

       That was about, that was about... Yeah, I was a white belt and...

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       Yeah. John Jackpot and Tarzana.

   28. TWTodd White1:23

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Yeah.

2. 1:23 – 3:45

   Todd’s martial arts origin story: seeing UFC 1 and getting obsessed

   1. TWTodd White1:23

      I saw... I saw the... Uh, I was working at, uh, Warner Brothers, uh, Tiny Toon Adventures and I was a, I was a... I was a PA, production assistant at that time. It was the first job I ever had in LA and that guy says, uh, "Hey, we're gonna have a party tonight. We're gonna watch these fights. They're like cockfights. Come on over and let's watch them." And I, I went over to his house and I was literally hypnotized watching Royce Gracie do what he did. I couldn't believe it. Everybody else was talking-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:49

      So this was, like, '93?

   3. TWTodd White1:50

      (clears throat) Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:51

      Their early, their first days of UFC?

   5. TWTodd White1:52

      The very first. The first UFC. It was the first one.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:55

      Wow, so you, you watched the first one live?

   7. TWTodd White1:58

      I s- Yeah. I saw it at, at a party that I was not supposed to be at and nobody else was paying attention to this. It was just on. It was, like, two other guys watching it and, uh, and I'm watching this going, "Oh, I gotta do that." Like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:10

      (laughs)

   9. TWTodd White2:10

      It, it was speaking to me in a way I've never... You know, like art speaks to me and I was watching it and... And the next day, I, uh, find Torrance, Gracie Academy, because they kept saying Torrance Gracie and I knew where Torrance was so I, I, I was living in S- Studio City in the Valley. I drove, I had a Honda Prelude, I drove all the way on the 405, the worst freeway in the world, and it took me about three hours to get down there on a Saturday morning. And I walked into that place and it was... They were done, but I could smell all that sweat and humidity and nastiness and I was like, "Oh, God, this is great."

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:42

       (laughs)

   11. TWTodd White2:42

       And I, I walked in and, and they were very nice to me, but there was, like, these dudes and they looked so intimidating and they were just ripped up and clawed up and dripping wet and... This wasn't the pretty days where everybody has rash guards and designer gis.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       Yeah.

   13. TWTodd White2:54

       This was, like, Crugon's gis.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:57

       Yep.

   15. TWTodd White2:57

       They were yellowed and nasty smelling and, and no... There was no... There was chest hair in your mouth.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       I remember Crugon's.

   17. TWTodd White3:05

       And, uh, and, and they came walking out and I was just, like, I felt... Man, I felt like a little bitch.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       (laughs)

   19. TWTodd White3:09

       I was just looking at them going like, "I wanna be you." And he goes, uh, "Where are you from," you know, and I go, "Oh, the Valley." "The Valley? This is too far, my friend." And he goes, uh, "My cousin Jean Jacques is in the Valley. The Machados go there." And, uh, I was kind of, like, struck in awe by everything, right? So I thought, "Okay, I'll go to the Valley," you know. And there was no internet. U- Understand, there's no internet. You can't just Google. So I got the Thomas guide out and I started looking around and, and I would ask people and... And so nobody knew the answer to this because remember, as you know, in the early days, Brazilian jiu-jitsu was like, "Oh, you do that karate stuff?"

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       Yeah.

3. 3:45 – 7:44

   Accidentally joining the wrong ‘jujitsu’ school—and the armbar wake-up call

   1. TWTodd White3:45

      And so I, uh, I got on my mountain bike. I was a heavy mountain biker then, and I got on my bike and I was in Studio City and I decided to ride Ventura Boulevard. And I'm gonna look at every shop on Ventura Boulevard. And I was driving, I got all the way down to Encino and, uh, and was just... And I see this jiu-jitsu, right? And I go, "Oh, that's it." I, I walk in and this little kind of chubby round guy comes walking up and he's tucked into his gi and he goes, uh, "Can I help you?" And I go, "I'm looking to do a... I'm looking to do that ground fighting stuff." And he goes, "Yeah, we do that here." And I go, "Okay." You know, "Sign up." And so I signed up and I'm there a week and I'm there every day and not once are we on the ground. We're doing this stand up, small circle stuff and, like... And I'm looking at my classmates and they're all, like, horribly out of shape and, like, they can barely move and I'm thinking, "God, this isn't what I saw," you know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:37

      What was the place?

   3. TWTodd White4:38

      It was, like, Mushin Ryu Jiu-Jitsu, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:40

      Oh.

   5. TWTodd White4:40

      But I was so out of my head trying to find it and so I'm there a week and he's like, "Hey, congratulations, you get a belt." And I'm like, "I hardly know anything." And so he gives me this belt and I'm working out with this one guy and he says, "Hey, I think what you want is the Machados." And I was like, "Where am I?" (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:58

      (laughs)

   7. TWTodd White4:58

      He goes, "This isn't it, dude." (laughs) And I'm like, "In the wrong movie." And so-

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:03

      That's hilarious.

   9. TWTodd White5:03

      ... I go, "Okay," uh, he goes, "That's down the road, dude, like four stores, four shops." Four shops short, right? So I literally... At the class, I'm like hurrying up and I'm like, "Ah, I gotta go." And I walk down there and I see them and it wa-... This is on Ventura Boulevard. He wasn't at his place in, in Tarzana yet. He was getting ready to move that week. And I walk in and it was a place as big as this studio. I'm not kidding. And he goes, you know... Jean Jacques spoke very poor English back then and he was like, "Oh, hello. Hello." And I'm like, "Uh, sign. I sign up now." You know? And so I signed up and I started going to him, but I had made like two friends. See, when I was in LA I didn't have any friends because I was there to work and become my goal and so, uh, I was still talking to these guys and still going to the other place and the time worked out where he was early and I would leave and go next door to Jean Jacques, right? So I was there about another week and we're just doing drills at Jean Jacques. We're doing armbar drills over and over again, from our back, from open guard drills.... and I would go home and I would draw it in my book. I had a sketchbook of everything, so everything we learned, I would draw it and I would... You know, I was an animator for a long time, so I could animate the movements and I could see in rolling where we would end up. So, if we start here and I did this, this, and this, I knew we would end up over here in this position. In my mind, it was easy 'cause I had animated.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:22

       Hmm.

   11. TWTodd White6:22

       So, I would see rolling like cartoons, and they would just kinda roll into it.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:25

       Oh.

   13. TWTodd White6:26

       And so it came very... I wasn't a wrestler, but it came pretty natural to me to m- the movements, right? And so, um, so a week later, the guy at the Mushinryu Jujitsu place was telling me, "Oh, you gotta do this 'cause..." and I go, "But if you did that, you would get stuck in an arm bar." 'Cause he's having me like, choke or like, reach up. And he goes-

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:47

       Mm-hmm.

   15. TWTodd White6:47

       ... "No, you can't get an arm bar from there."

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:50

       (laughs)

   17. TWTodd White6:50

       And I go, "I think, I think you can." He's like, "You're not gonna do it." And so I, I go, "Well, watch." And he got in my guard, and he like, he did his little chest slap thing, you know, this little like... (laughs) and, and he like stuck his arm out-

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:03

       Where is the little chest slap?

   19. TWTodd White7:04

       Yeah, you know how the, they like get ready to fight and they're like, you know, they do their poses.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:09

       Oh, no. (laughs)

   21. TWTodd White7:09

       And he did that in my guard. And it was weird, and everybody's watching, right?

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:15

       Oh.

   23. TWTodd White7:15

       And they're standing there watching the instructor tell me I didn't know what I was doing, and he did that and he stuck his arm out, and I grabbed his arm and I pulled it in, and I threw my legs over his face and I arm barred him.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       (laughs)

   25. TWTodd White7:25

       And he got real pissed off, and he goes... He got up and he was really perturbed and he goes, "That wouldn't work in real time. That only worked 'cause I was letting you get there." And I, and I was scared, and I go, "I think it would work, man."

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:38

       (laughs)

   27. TWTodd White7:38

       "I think it would work." And remember, I had two friends now, right? My two guy friends, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:43

       Right. "I think it would work." (laughs)

4. 7:44 – 10:22

   A ‘real time’ challenge turns into a legit fight (and recruits two new students)

   1. TWTodd White7:44

      And they were going, and I hear one of 'em go, "Oh no, it worked." (laughs) And then I'm looking around, and, and he's getting kinda pissed. I mean, he's a short guy, but he was really stock. And he goes, uh, he goes, "Look, I'm tired of hearing about this Brazilian Jujitsu. So, I tell you what. You use your Jujitsu..." Which, by the way, I had had like two weeks of training. Now, granted, I was there every day with Jean-Jacques, like, doing drills. So, you know if you got one movement that you do 100 times, you're gonna have an inkling-

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:12

      Right.

   3. TWTodd White8:12

      ... of how to do it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:13

      What year is this?

   5. TWTodd White8:14

      Bro... (sighs) so, you're talking about-

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:17

      '94?

   7. TWTodd White8:18

      ... right after the first UFC, maybe like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:20

      '93?

   9. TWTodd White8:20

      ... two months after the first UFC.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:22

       Oh, so then '93.

   11. TWTodd White8:23

       Yeah, '93.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:24

       Damn.

   13. TWTodd White8:24

       And so-

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:24

       You were ahead of the curve.

   15. TWTodd White8:25

       So, I'm sitting there and I go, "Okay, uh, I think, uh, I think it'll work, dude." Now, I don't know anything about standing, right?

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:32

       Right.

   17. TWTodd White8:32

       So, he gets up and he goes, "Okay, I'm gonna attack you, and you attack me." And I'm like, "I don't know how to attack you."

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       (laughs)

   19. TWTodd White8:39

       So, he goes, he goes, he goes, he goes, "Ready." And like, all of a sudden I'm in a video game (laughs) -

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:44

       Oh, no.

   21. TWTodd White8:44

       ... and I'm standing there. So, what do I do? I copy what I saw Royce Gracie do, I stick my arms up like the Karate Kid, and I stick my foot in front, and he fucking starts like, like coming at me with his elbows and swinging, and he looks like a little machine. And I just took my foot and kicked him in the front leg. His leg goes down, he lands on me, we fall into the guard. He starts hitting me with his elbow on the top of the head, right? Like, I grabbed him, I clenched him, I squeezed him really tight, mostly so I didn't get punched in the face 'cause I was afraid, and, and I stuck my head in his chest, and he's hitting me on the top of the head and I'm like... And that heat comes up your back from your butthole to your neck, and you go, "You motherfucker."

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:23

       (laughs)

   23. TWTodd White9:23

       "You're hitting me now?" And I go, "Okay, all right, all right. Now we're in a new league. Now I'm, you're not my friend. Now you're fighting me." And I literally just kinda monkey, shimmied up his high guard and I just threw him in an arm bar, and I cranked as hard as I could on that arm, and he screams, "Okay."

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:41

       Wow.

   25. TWTodd White9:41

       And I get up, right? And I'm like, you got that blood rush. I'm like, hair messed up.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:47

       (laughs)

   27. TWTodd White9:48

       I'm like, "You motherfucker. Okay."

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       (laughs)

   29. TWTodd White9:51

       And I, I... (laughs) And I grab my bag, I grab my bag, my little fucking goofy bag. I grab it, and I walk out, right? I'm like, I don't know what to do. I'm, I'm like, flustered. I walk out and the two dudes come running out after me. They're like, "Bro, bro, I'm coming with you. Where are you going?"

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:07

       (laughs)
5. 10:22 – 14:17

   Belt culture and why purple belts are dangerous

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:22

      Man, you fade away when you're at purple, that's such a shame.

   2. TWTodd White10:25

      That, I-

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:25

      You're so close.

   4. TWTodd White10:25

      As an instructor now, it crushes me when I give a blue belt to someone, and then I see them fade. And I'm thinking-

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:31

      Hmm.

   6. TWTodd White10:31

      ... "God, dude, you got past-"

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:33

      The hardest part.

   8. TWTodd White10:33

      ... "You're, you're a color."

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:34

      Yeah.

   10. TWTodd White10:35

       The greatest belt you can get is blue.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:37

       Yeah.

   12. TWTodd White10:37

       I say that s- to this day, and I'm a fourth black. Blue because you're a color.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:41

       Yeah.

   14. TWTodd White10:41

       You're not the white anymore. You're in the club. You're in.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:45

       Dude, the day Jean-Jacques gave me a blue belt was like one of the greatest days of my life. The day Jean-Jacques gave me my purple belt, I was like, "Oh my God, I'm close. I'm so close to brown."

   16. TWTodd White10:57

       Purple, purple's a danger belt.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:58

       P- purple belts, uh, tap people.

   18. TWTodd White11:00

       So-

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:00

       I remember seeing a lot of purple belts that could tap brown belts.

   20. TWTodd White11:03

       Oh, yeah. Okay, so-

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:04

       Purple belts that were dangerous. They had like-

   22. TWTodd White11:05

       There, there's-

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:05

       ... one really good move.

   24. TWTodd White11:06

       Oh, yeah. Here's my take on purples. They're just crazy enough to try anything-

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:10

       (laughs)

   26. TWTodd White11:11

       ... and they're not worried about getting got. Like-

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:12

       Especially those purple belts that train every day.

   28. TWTodd White11:14

       That's obscene.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:15

       Those psycho purple belts.

   30. TWTodd White11:17

       Yeah.
6. 14:17 – 17:25

   From animation to fine art: building a signature style (and loving the Rat Pack vibe)

   1. TWTodd White14:17

      It, it's, uh ... So, you know, I had, I had (sighs) 13 years in animation. I came out of high school. I got a job at Warner Brothers as a, a charac- as a, um, production assistant on the first season of Tiny Toons. But, but what I did is I just, I, I looked at every super talented artist, every draftsman, and I, I would ask questions and I, I was drawing every day. I had no social life. And, uh, they would give me such great advice. Th- so I looked at it, that's my college because I didn't go to school. Uh, my mom was a painter, so I grew up in a painting household. Her mom was as well. And, uh, I just looked at it as I'm gonna educate myself through, you know, the, the hard work and the grind. And before I knew it, I was just around some of the most talented artists in the industry and they were showing me techniques and, and way to, the way to put life into character and the way to give a drawing life, which is the hardest thing, by the way. I look at a lot of paintings and I ... It, it, they may be technically great, but there's no life. They're dead looking.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Yeah.

   3. TWTodd White15:11

      The eyes are dead. It's a dead looking painting. And so I learned through super talented artists to t- teach me how to put that kind of personality and life into the drawing and then translate that into the painting. And, uh, I was always obsessed with The Rat Pack and Sinatra and Dean Martin-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      Mm.

   5. TWTodd White15:30

      ... and Sammy Davis, Jr. And I just, I would, I had VHS tapes of them at the Summit and everything and I used to watch them all the time and try to-

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:36

      They looked like they were having so much fun.

   7. TWTodd White15:38

      God, men were men and women were dames and they had the drinks-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:41

      (laughs)

   9. TWTodd White15:41

      ... and the cigarettes and they were blowing smoke in each other's face and they weren't worried about masks. It was just amazing time and, and, uh-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Women were dames.

   11. TWTodd White15:49

       I loved it. You know?

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Dames is such a great word. (laughs)

   13. TWTodd White15:52

       And so, uh, so I just kind of, I wanted to capture that in painting and I wanted to, I wanted to kind of bring some of that timelessness back. And, uh, and, you know- (clears throat) I would, uh, I was really good with marker work, uh, marker color comps, uh, in animation 'cause th- then I quickly after that I became a character designer. And, and so I spent the next, you know, 10 years in animation designing characters for shows. And I ended on SpongeBob. And that was like, uh, Steve Hillenburg, a lot of my friends from a previous show said, "Hey, we're going over to Nickelodeon. They got this new show they're working on. It's a pilot, SpongeBob, and they need a character guy." And, and I met with Steve and, and he said, uh, he gave me marine biology books. He's like, "Here, make these characters." And, uh, I went home-

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       A marine biology book?

   15. TWTodd White16:34

       Yeah, he was a marine biologist. Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       Really?

   17. TWTodd White16:36

       He went to CalArts. He, he wasn't the best draftsman but he had good ideas. And, uh, and he was a really cool dude and a surfer.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       So why marine biology? Was he just-

   19. TWTodd White16:43

       Because it was all about underwater life.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:45

       ... the concept of the show? Okay.

   21. TWTodd White16:45

       I don't know if you've ever seen the show. Um-

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       I've, well, I've seen it a few times with my kids. I never really paid attention.

   23. TWTodd White16:50

       It's just underwater.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       Is it-

   25. TWTodd White16:50

       Yeah, it's just like fish.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       I didn't know it was underwater.

   27. TWTodd White16:52

       Yeah. (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:53

       (laughs)

   29. TWTodd White16:53

       It's all fish life.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       I know Bubble Guppies is underwater. (laughs)
7. 17:25 – 32:06

   Reading the characters in the paintings: personality, ‘dames,’ and conversation-piece art

   1. TWTodd White17:25

      I, I, I view my work as, uh, it's all personality and relatable. So in my mind, uh, I'm gonna, I'm not painting art for your furniture or your living room. I'm not painting something you want to put in your living room. I'm painting something that you want, that you identify with. And, uh, I think a lot of people, uh-

   2. JRJoe Rogan17:42

      What do you, what do you mean by that? Like, if it's not for the living room, like where is it if you identify with it?

   3. TWTodd White17:45

      It's, yeah, it's put it-

   4. JRJoe Rogan17:45

      Where would you hang it?

   5. TWTodd White17:46

      ... wherever you identify.

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:47

      Oh.

   7. TWTodd White17:47

      Put it where you identify. See yourself in it. You see yourself, you see your boys weekend at Vegas that time you had the greatest time ever. The women had girls' night out and they see their new stuff.

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:56

      But it's also, it's so-

   9. TWTodd White17:57

      Do you, do you go to Instagram at all on that?

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:58

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

   11. TWTodd White17:59

       No? That's gonna have my newest stuff.

   12. JRJoe Rogan18:00

       Interesting cartoonish. Oh, okay.

   13. TWTodd White18:02

       I hate that word.

   14. JRJoe Rogan18:03

       What, cartoon?

   15. TWTodd White18:04

       Cartoonish.

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:05

       Cartoonish?

   17. TWTodd White18:05

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:05

       Really?

   19. TWTodd White18:06

       Ugh. What's good word? Cat- charactered.

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:09

       Charactered. But no one's gonna know what you're saying.

   21. TWTodd White18:11

       I know. I know.

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:13

       (laughs) People are-

   23. TWTodd White18:13

       So there you go, there's some new stuff right there.

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:15

       Mm.

   25. TWTodd White18:15

       That's like the, the foxes and-Um, you know, uh, so I always wanna represent someone's life. I want them to see their life in it. I want them to see their personality and their-

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:25

       Can, go back to that picture again.

   27. TWTodd White18:26

       (clears throat)

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:28

       The, the-

   29. TWTodd White18:29

       Chasing foxes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:30

       ... the blonde, the like, from the left-hand side, the third one, she looks like a bitch.
8. 32:06 – 36:26

   Turning art into a business: prints, limited editions, galleries, and Instagram after COVID

   1. TWTodd White32:06

      We, uh, me and my wife are spinning so many plates now. It's like we got a, we got the jujitsu school, we got... Which is basically a side project that I enjoy doing and a hobby that I've got some awesome instructors helping me with. And then, uh, then we have our art business, our art publishing business. 'Cause I'm self-published. I don't just turn my work over to a company to, to produce my work. I produce it all. Uh-

   2. JRJoe Rogan32:26

      When you say produce...

   3. TWTodd White32:27

      Giclée is high-end reproductions.

   4. JRJoe Rogan32:29

      Ah.

   5. TWTodd White32:29

      Uh, you know, when I do a release, it's a limited edition of 35, 135. And, and that goes out-

   6. JRJoe Rogan32:35

      And this is for prints?

   7. TWTodd White32:35

      Yeah, the prints, the high-end reproductions on canvas.

   8. JRJoe Rogan32:37

      How do you, how does that happen? You, do you... When you, like say if you make a painting, like one of these paintings-

   9. TWTodd White32:42

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan32:42

       ... and then you want to turn that into a print.

   11. TWTodd White32:43

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan32:43

       What's the process?

   13. TWTodd White32:44

       So you get it scanned. Uh, y- from there you take it on your computer and you run it through a big Epson 11880 printer the size of this table, and it prints it out on j- on a canvas. And, and you gotta color correct everything 'cause the, the photograph versus the computer talking to the inks and it's different. It comes out, you get that right, and then you start doing your run. Okay. Um, for me, when I do a limited edition, that's it. It's limited. I don't do more. I don't make a smaller version. This is where, this is where artists get in trouble, because the, the publicist will say, "Hey, we did a, we did 50 of that image. We sold out in a day. Let's do 50 more in a smaller size, and let's do 20 more in a smaller size."

   14. JRJoe Rogan33:24

       Mm-hmm.

   15. TWTodd White33:24

       So now if you're a, a, you know, the, the, the collector, who I value the highest in my profession, y- y- they look at it and they go, "Dude, I bought that. And then I'm walking down this gallery and I see a tiny version of it."

   16. JRJoe Rogan33:35

       Mm.

   17. TWTodd White33:35

       Like, it's losing value. It's losing its luster. It's like-

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:38

       Yeah.

   19. TWTodd White33:38

       ... you don't have something so special.

   20. JRJoe Rogan33:40

       Yeah.

   21. TWTodd White33:40

       And so when I do an edition of 135 in the world, that's it. So the UK will buy half out the front, then the Canada will pick up 20, and then what's leftover is for the US.

   22. JRJoe Rogan33:49

       Why is that? Why is the UK the, the p- premier market?

   23. TWTodd White33:53

       Um, they're, they are, uh, De Montfort Fine Art handles me over there, and they are a distributor. So they can, they have their network of galleries.

   24. JRJoe Rogan34:01

       Ah.

   25. TWTodd White34:01

       They already did. Here, I'm, I'm dealing with the galleries, or my wife deals with them, I don't. And, and she's the business end of it. And she's talking to the galleries and dealing... We only have like five or six i- in the United States and, uh, t- you know, from, uh, from, uh, Ohio to then, um, uh, t- uh, up northern California.

   26. JRJoe Rogan34:19

       So how does that work? Like let's say you have an idea for a painting. You make a painting. Who... How do you decide who gets the original?

   27. TWTodd White34:26

       Who buys it (laughs) .

   28. JRJoe Rogan34:27

       But how do you even put that out there?

   29. TWTodd White34:29

       So, so I put it out there on Instagram. Instagram is-

   30. JRJoe Rogan34:32

       Ah.
9. 36:26 – 41:39

   COVID, lockdowns, and vulnerability: health, economics, and who should isolate

   1. TWTodd White36:26

      I just, it's just...... you know, I got tested, uh, by you before I came in here. That was the first time I'd been tested. I-

   2. JRJoe Rogan36:34

      (laughs)

   3. TWTodd White36:34

      ... I see no point in getting, for me personally, doing ... I'm, I'm very fit. I train at least one day a week now, embarrassing to say. Uh, I know my body very well, and I know when I wake up and something's off.

   4. JRJoe Rogan36:47

      Mm-hmm.

   5. TWTodd White36:47

      And if something's off, I'll get checked immediately.

   6. JRJoe Rogan36:50

      Yeah.

   7. TWTodd White36:50

      But to say, you know, I've heard stories from guys who've, uh, rolled, friends of mine in California, super, super athletes, and they're like, "Yeah, dude, I was doing something and they said I had COVID." And I'm like, "And how did you feel?" And they're like, "I feel great. I feel fine." Like, "Nothing is wrong with me. I didn't know it. I don't have headaches. I don't have any of, anything."

   8. JRJoe Rogan37:10

      There are false negatives.

   9. TWTodd White37:11

      Yeah. And I go, "Dude-"

   10. JRJoe Rogan37:13

       We, we ... Or false positives, rather.

   11. TWTodd White37:13

       "... if, if you, if this is the end-all disease and you feel great, you're not bleeding out your eyeballs, then what ... Like ..."

   12. JRJoe Rogan37:21

       It really depends on the person. It depends on your vulnerabilities. Depends on your age. You know, I had, uh, Alex Berenson from, uh, the ... He's a former, uh, journalist for the New York Times, and he wrote a book on COVID with, uh, a series of three booklets about all the things that we're doing wrong, particularly the lockdowns. He's like, these are the worst things you could do because it's also the worst environment for COVID to spread is when people are stuck indoors. He's like, "You're, you're actually seeing upticks in the virus in, in, in, during the places with the most lockdowns, like Los Angeles, which has the worst lockdowns and the biggest fucking, uh, spread of COVID."

   13. TWTodd White37:57

       Explosion. Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan37:57

       It's crazy. But, uh, he's, you know, he's adamant about it that it's like, the, it, it's age dependent and it's comorbidity dependent. The, uh, the people that are dying, they have an average of, uh, 2.6 comorbidities, the people that are dying from COVID. Only 6% of the people who died from COVID actually died from COVID. The most of them are dying from COVID ... He, the way he put it is dying with COVID.

   15. TWTodd White38:18

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan38:19

       Doesn't mean it's not dangerous, but it's just not dangerous to you. And it's not dangerous to Jamie. Jamie kicked it in a day. Tony Hinchcliffe, who fucking barely works out, I called him today, he said he feels 100%. He had COVID two days ago, he tested positive. He said it felt like shit. Yesterday, he didn't feel too good. Today, he feels 100%. So, basically, he had a day and a half of feeling shitty. And the whole country shut down for that. But it's the people that are vulnerable are really vulnerable. Older people.

   17. TWTodd White38:45

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan38:45

       Sick people. But what it is is a, we, w- it's expo- ... Andrew Schultz said it best, that this, this, uh, disease has exposed a vulnerability in our health and a vulnerability economically, that people can't be out of work for a few months. They can't shut down for a few months.

   19. TWTodd White39:03

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan39:03

       They need that ... Even big companies need that money coming in constantly to maintain the business model. And with people's health, there's a lot of people that, like yourself or like Jamie or Tony, that they get it and it's nothing. But there's a lot of people that are very vulnerable 'cause they're just not healthy. They're not taking care of themselves. They're not exercising. They're not watching their nutrition. They're not taking supplements. And when they get hit, they get hit hard.

   21. TWTodd White39:28

       That's probably half the nation, though.

   22. JRJoe Rogan39:29

       It's a big chunk.

   23. TWTodd White39:30

       So, w- wouldn't it make more sense that they stay inside?

   24. JRJoe Rogan39:34

       Yes.

   25. TWTodd White39:34

       They-

   26. JRJoe Rogan39:34

       Yes.

   27. TWTodd White39:35

       ... lock down?

   28. JRJoe Rogan39:35

       Yes.

   29. TWTodd White39:36

       They stay away?

   30. JRJoe Rogan39:37

       Yeah. Yeah.
10. 41:39 – 53:18

    Jocko, discipline, and taming the mind: training as mental hygiene

    1. TWTodd White41:39

       I, I, I ... He's my go-to. Whenever I get panicked, I call dad.

    2. JRJoe Rogan41:42

       (laughs)

    3. TWTodd White41:42

       "Jo- Jocko, what's going on here? What are we, what are we looking at?" Pshh. "Don't worry about it. We got it."

    4. JRJoe Rogan41:48

       Yeah. He got COVID and I, I said, "How you feeling?" He goes, "Not a factor."

    5. TWTodd White41:51

       (laughs)

    6. JRJoe Rogan41:52

       That was all caps. Not a factor. (laughs)

    7. TWTodd White41:55

       I, I was, I was working at the jiu-jitsu school one day and, and I'm under the counter trying to screw some lights in and I hear, "Guard, guard." And I'm like ... I got scared. And I looked up and he's standing there and I'm like, "Oh, Jocko."

    8. JRJoe Rogan42:07

       Well, he's a guy who's been real smart with his business, too, because he opened up Origin, which they sell gis. They sell really cool stretchy pants. And they sell homemade boots. I got a pair of his homemade boots. They're fucking excellent. Like, re- American made, factory in Maine, like all-

    9. TWTodd White42:22

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan42:22

        All stitched together by hand. All done by hand. And like, you feel, you ... Like, when I put 'em on, I'm like, I feel like I'm b- I bought something that a guy made. You know? It's like, it feels legit. Like, you p-

    11. TWTodd White42:34

        (laughs)

    12. JRJoe Rogan42:34

        It feels like s- I'm not getting it from Nike or someone-

    13. TWTodd White42:37

        Right. Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan42:37

        I'm getting it from a person.

    15. TWTodd White42:39

        Y- your kids are much older right now, but I read the, the kid's books, his, um-

    16. JRJoe Rogan42:44

        Oh, no. My, my daughter loves his books.

    17. TWTodd White42:45

        Yeah. And he, he actually-

    18. JRJoe Rogan42:46

        My youngest are 10 and 12.

    19. TWTodd White42:48

        Yeah. Okay. All right. So you can still read to 'em. Uh-

    20. JRJoe Rogan42:51

        Yeah.

    21. TWTodd White42:51

        ... I read, I read to my boys-

    22. JRJoe Rogan42:52

        If I try to read-

    23. TWTodd White42:53

        ... and girls.

    24. JRJoe Rogan42:53

        ... to my 24-year-old, she's not gonna listen.

    25. TWTodd White42:55

        (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan42:55

        (laughs)

    27. TWTodd White42:55

        Every night, I read to 'em and, and they love, uh, you know, hearing about Uncle Jake. And, but he did a book that didn't get a lot, uh, it's been kinda quiet with, uh, the Mikey and the Dragon book, okay?

    28. JRJoe Rogan43:04

        Yeah.

    29. TWTodd White43:05

        Mikey Slays the Dragon, I think. I don't wanna misquote it. He'll punch me in the face. But I, uh, I read it and I'm not, I'm not kidding you, as a, as a father and with your kids and y- you have that moment where you're reading to 'em, there's a, a heavy moment in there where, where the dad had died and then the Mikey's, like, reading his letter to him. And it's like, I well up. Like, I'm, I have to stop for a second-

    30. JRJoe Rogan43:24

        Yeah.
11. 53:18 – 1:07:00

    Hunting, food ethics, and Anthony Bourdain’s struggle

    1. JRJoe Rogan53:18

       10 years ago, yeah. 10 years ago I was obsessed with it before I ever did it.

    2. TWTodd White53:21

       Okay.

    3. JRJoe Rogan53:21

       I started hunting eight years ago and, uh, around 11, 12 years ago, I started really thinking about it. I started watching Ted Nugent's Spirit of the Wild-

    4. TWTodd White53:29

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan53:29

       ... on TV. (laughs)

    6. TWTodd White53:30

       Wild Man.

    7. JRJoe Rogan53:32

       And I started, uh, I started paying attention to, uh, websites that talked about hunting and talked about, uh, you know, just different aspects of, uh, like, what it feels like to acquire your own meat in the wild. And then I started paying attention to PETA videos, man. That's, that's one of the reasons that I got into it. I had decided that I was either gonna become a vegetarian or I was gonna hunt because I was watching these factory farming videos and fuck, man, they freaked me out. You know, watching just abuse of animals and chickens stuffed into these little tiny pens and what kind of life was that? And I was like, "Am I contributing to this? Like, what kind of fucking hellish karma am I bringing on with the, with this, this, you know, being a part of this system?" And so I was trying to figure it out. I was like, "Well, maybe I'll just become a vegetarian or maybe I'll become a hunter." And so the first hunting I ever did ever was on a television show. I hunted on Steve Rinella's Meat Eater.

    8. TWTodd White54:29

       Oh, that's awesome.

    9. JRJoe Rogan54:30

       I shot a buck and we ate the liver over a fire.

    10. TWTodd White54:33

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan54:33

        And, uh, that night I was like, "I am gonna be a hunter."

    12. TWTodd White54:36

        (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan54:37

        I, I know what I wanna do.

    14. TWTodd White54:38

        It, it's so much more than that, though. It's the camaraderie, it's the, the, the-

    15. JRJoe Rogan54:41

        Oh, yeah.

    16. TWTodd White54:42

        ... the, the fire and the-

    17. JRJoe Rogan54:43

        It's also-

    18. TWTodd White54:44

        ... your cooking, your...

    19. JRJoe Rogan54:44

        ... you become friends with-... exceptional people, like jujitsu, right? It's very similar. Like, a person, to get good at jujitsu, like yourself, a person gets to the black belt level like you, you have to be an exceptional person. It's very difficult to do. It's hard. It's hard to, it's hard to endure and to get through the struggle and to be -- it, you, you're battling all these demons and all this shit to get to that point. It's the same thing with hunting. Like, the people that get really good at hunting, the -- especially bow hunting, like, those are exceptional people. It is not easy to do.

    20. TWTodd White55:17

        Right.

    21. JRJoe Rogan55:17

        The guys that are -- that excel at it, the guys like Cam Hanes and John Dudley and all these guys that -- Remy Warren, guys that I know, these are exceptional human beings. Like, they have exceptional character, exceptional mental strength and fortitude, exceptional discipline. Like, they're not normal humans.

    22. TWTodd White55:33

        It's awesome being around that energy too.

    23. JRJoe Rogan55:34

        Yeah.

    24. TWTodd White55:35

        I mean, you feed off of it and you're like, "I get it."

    25. JRJoe Rogan55:36

        Yeah. And also, for me, it's like, it was really -- I was really fortunate to find a place like John Jax, right? So I'm learning from a real master, right?

    26. TWTodd White55:46

        Oh, yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan55:46

        And plus, it's been the same thing with bow hunting. I was really fortunate to learn from guys like Cam Hanes and John Dudley, learning from, like, real masters who have been studying this craft that's also the way they acquire their food. I mean, it's, it's not just hunting. It's also this insane discipline that's a lifestyle. And then when you're eating your food, like, I'm gonna give you some elk today.

    28. TWTodd White56:07

        (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan56:07

        When, when you're eating this food, know I put an arrow, I ran an arrow through that elk. That's how that elk is on this table. That's -- I remember the hunt. I remember everything about it. I remember all of it.

    30. TWTodd White56:19

        That's awesome.

Episode duration: 2:18:04