Joe Rogan Experience #1585 - Michael Kosta

1. 0:02 – 0:51

   Privacy wake-up: Signal, app tracking, and location permissions

   1. MKMichael Kosta0:02

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Um, yeah, his, um, his unwillingness to make money off of it, too-

   3. MKMichael Kosta0:18

      Unbelievable.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      ... is interesting. Yeah.

   5. MKMichael Kosta0:20

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Signal is, uh, uh, I, I ... You know, when- whenever someone new signs up at Signal, you get like, this notification.

   7. MKMichael Kosta0:27

      I've noticed that.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Yeah. And so it's like flooding with all these people that I know that are now on Signal. I'm like, "Wow."

   9. MKMichael Kosta0:32

      It's, it's gotten us, me to re-evaluate privacy and everything.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Yeah?

   11. MKMichael Kosta0:38

       You know, like what is on my phone? What, what are these ... When you go to that thing on iPhone that says, "You can use my location always or while using," it's crazy how many apps are just using your location.

2. 0:51 – 2:04

   How Joe’s podcast became huge: persistence, conversation skill, and not reading comments

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:51

      Oh, yeah. Well, what's gonna change ... Uh, by the way, this is Michael Kosta, ladies and gentlemen. We're already rolling.

   2. MKMichael Kosta0:56

      Great.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:57

      Uh, Michael Kosta.

   4. MKMichael Kosta0:58

      Hi.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:58

      You might know him from The Daily Show. He's also a fabulous standup comedian. I know him from The Comedy Store. Please welcome Michael Kosta.

   6. MKMichael Kosta1:03

      Yay. Thank you for having me, man. This is-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:05

      My pleasure, brother.

   8. MKMichael Kosta1:05

      This has been a-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:06

      My pleasure.

   10. MKMichael Kosta1:06

       ... uh, exciting highlight for me to be sitting here with you, and be on your podcast. I can't believe what this thing has become, man.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       Bizarre.

   12. MKMichael Kosta1:14

       It must be craziest for you.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       Well, what this is-

   14. MKMichael Kosta1:16

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       ... what's bizarre about it, it seems like it's just you and me talking.

   16. MKMichael Kosta1:20

       Yeah. Well, it is just me and you talking.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       Yeah.

   18. MKMichael Kosta1:22

       But, but I mean how many years have you been doing it? The 15-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       11.

   20. MKMichael Kosta1:26

       11 years, okay.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       Yeah, 11. Started in 2009.

   22. MKMichael Kosta1:28

       It's, uh ... As a younger-than-you comic, you know, you look to the comics older than you and you say, "Who is doing what I want or creating something special that's unique to them?" And that's what I always, I always tried to just try to do. And then this, to see what you've made, this is nuts.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:48

       Oh, thank you.

   24. MKMichael Kosta1:48

       It's nuts, so it's good.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       Just dumb luck. Dumb luck and persistence.

   26. MKMichael Kosta1:52

       Dumb luck, that's it. Persistence.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:52

       That's a lot of it.

   28. MKMichael Kosta1:54

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:54

       Legitimately.

   30. MKMichael Kosta1:54

       Yeah, yeah.
3. 2:04 – 3:45

   Learning to talk: bad conversationalists, Comedy Store chaos, and Kosta’s “tennis ball” training

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:04

      You realize after you do a lot of podcasts too how bad a lot of people are, just regular folks are at having conversations, so you see people just talking over each other. You're like, "Jesus, will you let him finish? And then you let her finish." Like, fucking, you guys just talk. You just, just clog.

   2. MKMichael Kosta2:21

      Some of the worst conversations I've ever had in my life are at that front bar at The Comedy Store-

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:26

      (laughs)

   4. MKMichael Kosta2:26

      ... because it's always like the weirdest comics talking at you-

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:29

      Yeah. Yes.

   6. MKMichael Kosta2:29

      ... never listening to your thing.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:31

      Right.

   8. MKMichael Kosta2:32

      And, uh, I would get so frustrated. Growing up, my mom would do this game called the tennis ball game where we were very young and she would ask us a question. She would say, "Hey Michael, how was school today?" And she would hand me the ball or toss me the ball, and then you had to answer and you couldn't give her the ball back until you asked her a question.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:50

      Oh.

   10. MKMichael Kosta2:50

       And this is like, you know, we're like six, so I would say, "Today was good." Uh, and then I would try to hand the ball back and she would say, "You can't hand me the ball back. You didn't ask me anything." And I'd say, "Do you like the weather today?" And I'd hand it to her, and she would like train us like zoo animals to do this.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       Wow.

   12. MKMichael Kosta3:05

       But it is funny because so much of my life now, what you mentioned earlier, no one knows how to talk.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       No.

   14. MKMichael Kosta3:10

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:11

       No, I have a very, uh, good friend and she's very smart. Um, but her and her husband just talk louder over each other-

   16. MKMichael Kosta3:19

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       ... and they don't listen, like, and then one of them will walk off into the kitchen and you're like, "What in the fuck?" And if I had- try to have a conversation with them, if I'm in the middle of saying, "Well, I wonder if what it is..." Blah blah blah blah blah.

   18. MKMichael Kosta3:30

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:30

       They just start talking. Blah blah blah blah blah. Like they don't let anybody talk, they just talk at you.

   20. MKMichael Kosta3:35

       Was your home like a, a long form conversation home?

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:40

       I don't know. I don't know.

   22. MKMichael Kosta3:40

       Like why do you feel comfortable-

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       Marijuana, for sure.

   24. MKMichael Kosta3:43

       (laughs) Okay.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       Definitely marijuana.

   26. MKMichael Kosta3:44

       That pro-

4. 3:45 – 7:22

   Morning radio misery: power trips, sleep deprivation, and why podcasts replaced press

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:45

      Long stoner conversations. I don't know, man. You know, I used to do morning radio and I used to look forward to it.

   2. MKMichael Kosta3:50

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:50

      In some, some markets, you know. I think morning radio is like eight out of 10 are, they're just cool people that happen to be on the morning radio, but then there's like the two out of 10 are people that wish they were comics.

   4. MKMichael Kosta4:00

      Oh my God.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:01

      They're cu- You know those.

   6. MKMichael Kosta4:02

      And they crush you when you do morning radio if you're not like killing, they're like, "I'm better than that guy."

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:06

      Yeah.

   8. MKMichael Kosta4:06

      Yes, yes. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:07

      They get dicky and they get weird with you. Like they're not friendly, they don't-

   10. MKMichael Kosta4:11

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:11

       Like I, I did this one, uh, I don't wanna say where it was, but I, the guy wouldn't even acknowledge that you were there-

   12. MKMichael Kosta4:17

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       ... until he did a bunch of other stuff while you're just sitting there. So you're just sitting there in the stage and he's talking about like some stupid stunt they're doing outside an Applebee's and-

   14. MKMichael Kosta4:27

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       ... you know, "And oh, we got five different people to try it out and no one could do it." And, and then finally, "Oh, so then, uh, we got a comedian is here. Uh, he's playing at the blah blah blah. It's Joe Rogan. Hi, Joe, how are you?" And you're like, "What, why have I been here for 20 minutes just staring at you?" And-

   16. MKMichael Kosta4:43

       I always feel-

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:44

       It's like a power trip.

   18. MKMichael Kosta4:44

       ... I feel like they're jealous or angry that you're working the road even though it, you know, it's not like the road comic is making tons of money that week or whatever, but the, for some reason morning radio, Johnny Danger, ba-bang-bang, you know, those guys seem mad about their life lots of times.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:01

       Some of them, yeah.

   20. MKMichael Kosta5:02

       And then there's a few that are excellent-

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:03

       Yeah.

   22. MKMichael Kosta5:04

       ... and awesome.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       Some of them are just cool people-

   24. MKMichael Kosta5:05

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       ... that happen to be doing that.

   26. MKMichael Kosta5:07

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       Most of them are cool people that just happen to be doing that. But there's enough of those ... Well, it's just like when someone is in that sort of a position where they're the one who's promoting your show, you need them to promote your show, so you get up, you go there-

   28. MKMichael Kosta5:19

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:19

       ... and they're the star and everybody's like getting them the pieces of paper, the stuff they have to say and, you know, it's like-

   30. MKMichael Kosta5:25

       There's always some y- super young person, at least for me, when I walk in the studio that has just Googled me, right?
5. 7:22 – 10:18

   Pandemic pause: cooking, missing stage time, and building an Austin-style comedy residency

   1. MKMichael Kosta7:22

      You know, I would, I w- yeah, exactly. I would, I talk, yeah, I, I, I would welcome a weekend on the road right now to do morning radio. Here I am bitching about it, but I'm, I miss that, you know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:34

      Yeah.

   3. MKMichael Kosta7:34

      I mean, nothing seems to be open. I know Texas has more things open, but... And I haven't done standup. We were talking earlier, I haven't done standup since the pandemic, but I'm hoping to feel what you felt when you first went back up there, 'cause I have to reevaluate. How much do I enjoy it-

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:51

      Yeah.

   5. MKMichael Kosta7:51

      ... if I've really enjoyed kinda not doing it right now? I don't know if you had any of that.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:54

      I did enjoy not doing it.

   7. MKMichael Kosta7:55

      (laughs) I really enjoyed-

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:57

      I enjoyed-

   9. MKMichael Kosta7:57

      ... learning how to cook-

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:58

       I enjoyed-

   11. MKMichael Kosta7:59

       ... and having a meal, dinner.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:00

       ... space.

   13. MKMichael Kosta8:01

       Yes.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:01

       Space to do stuff.

   15. MKMichael Kosta8:02

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:02

       Yeah. You enjoyed cooking?

   17. MKMichael Kosta8:05

       You know, dinner always took on a, a different meaning for me when I had shows. It was, it was get fuel so you can not be like passing out on stage. And oft- lots of t- uh, whether it was LA or New York, lots of times it was like crappy food, get it, fuel in, you know. But now there's time to really think about dinner, you know?

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:24

       (laughs)

   19. MKMichael Kosta8:24

       Do I want to grill? Do I want to make s- something? And I enjoy, I, I think it's a much healthier way to be. You know, no one has ever mistaken this pres- profession of standup comedy with health.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:35

       No.

   21. MKMichael Kosta8:35

       But, uh, I have app- appreciated that, the healthier part of that.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:39

       Doing these, uh, shows with Chappelle has made me wonder, like I wonder how viable it is to actually do a residency-

   23. MKMichael Kosta8:47

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:47

       ... in a town like Austin and continue to do it for long stretches of time, you know? I don't know, 'cause I kinda think you could put together an act out here. Like we, we kinda were doing a residency in LA, right? At The Store?

   25. MKMichael Kosta8:59

       Yeah, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:00

       It's kinda what we, we did.

   27. MKMichael Kosta9:02

       I mean, they had this amazingly strong lineup every single night.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:07

       Yeah.

   29. MKMichael Kosta9:07

       And how often was it tourists in the audience? A lot.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:11

       A lot.
6. 10:18 – 18:54

   How bits are born: bombing, repetition, and audiences watching jokes evolve

   1. MKMichael Kosta10:18

      Yeah. When, when you were at The Store, was that your workout spot?

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:23

      Yeah.

   3. MKMichael Kosta10:24

      Okay.

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:24

      Yeah.

   5. MKMichael Kosta10:24

      Because it's hard because it would be packed, and many people there were fans of yours. And I'm not at the stage where I have 400 fans and, and I'm like, "You can't disappoint your fans." But, but also you gotta work your shit out.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:39

      You gotta be able to do both.

   7. MKMichael Kosta10:40

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:41

      Yeah.

   9. MKMichael Kosta10:41

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:41

       It's tr- it's tricky, because you're gonna eat shit on a few attempts. (laughs)

   11. MKMichael Kosta10:45

       (laughs) In front of your people that are rooting for you.

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:47

       But I think they kinda understand what you're doing.

   13. MKMichael Kosta10:50

       Yeah, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:50

       You know? One of the things that's cool is that they would keep coming back. Like I had, uh, a friend of mine who came to see me multiple times, and he was like, "Dude, one of the funnest things is watch like a new bit-"

   15. MKMichael Kosta11:02

       Right, right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:02

       "... and then realize like, 'Oh, one of these days that bit's gonna be good.'"

   17. MKMichael Kosta11:06

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:06

       "And then coming back six months later and it's killer." Because you get to see the-

   19. MKMichael Kosta11:10

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:10

       ... baby legs. You get to see like Bambi on ice where it's like-

   21. MKMichael Kosta11:13

       Yep.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:13

       ... urr, it's, there's no balance. You don't know where you're going with it, but there's something there.

   23. MKMichael Kosta11:19

       And if you... I found if I just stick with it, n- evolution of comedy, my brain will automatically through, through many reps trim that thing, add to this thing.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:33

       Yes.

   25. MKMichael Kosta11:33

       And now I'll listen to it from three months ago, I'll go, "I didn't even w- I didn't even consciously eliminate that line."

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:38

       Yeah.

   27. MKMichael Kosta11:39

       The survival of the fittest existed through my own joke.

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:42

       Yeah.

   29. MKMichael Kosta11:42

       Uh, but I remember, I was passed at The Comedy Store 2008 and you were gone at that point.

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:48

       Yeah.
7. 18:54 – 33:30

   Avoiding ‘greasy fingers’: executives, creative control, and The Man Show war stories

   1. MKMichael Kosta18:54

      ... any time talent is arguing about how to, w- what is and isn't funny, you're already, you've already, you're already in trouble.

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:01

      Well yeah, you gotta leave people alone.

   3. MKMichael Kosta19:03

      You gotta let-

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:04

      Yeah.

   5. MKMichael Kosta19:04

      ... the funny people to, to trust their instincts.

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:06

      Well, uh, with, and not, not, not even just f- like, this podcast I would have never been able to do if I had to talk to executives.

   7. MKMichael Kosta19:12

      No way.

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:13

      I would have never been able to introdu- uh, to interview the more controversial people.

   9. MKMichael Kosta19:17

      Nope.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:17

       Would've never been able to do 60% of it stoned out of my mind, not, literally not knowing what I'm saying while I'm saying it.

   11. MKMichael Kosta19:23

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:24

       They would've never allowed it. But that's what made it work, because it was so unproduced.

   13. MKMichael Kosta19:29

       Everybody always told me everything has to be under three minutes when the internet came out, right? It was like, "You better do under three minutes." It was like... And, and then if you've listened to all that, that's what's so funny about this. You know, I, I look at some of your episodes, it's like three and a half hours, and I'm like, this is fu- like, and Ham- Hamilton was talking about it when he was on too. Like, the long form now people are gravitating towards these long conversations.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:52

       Yeah.

   15. MKMichael Kosta19:52

       There's nuance, there's subtlety, because we're getting so angry at everything just being 40 words, headline, duh-duh-duh-duh-duh, click, click, click. So, so what's the, what's, if, uh, what, what do we take from that? To just trust our own instincts and follow what we wanna do?

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:06

       Y- yeah. Yeah, you have to trust your own instincts. Like, m- also, there was no idea of this being profitable when I started doing it.

   17. MKMichael Kosta20:14

       Right, right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan20:15

       Like, when I first started doing it, I just did it 'cause it was fun, 'cause I liked doing morning radio sometimes.

   19. MKMichael Kosta20:20

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:20

       And I was like, "Why don't I just do an internet version of morning radi-" I'm like, "No one's gonna give me a fucking radio show ever."

   21. MKMichael Kosta20:25

       Right, right, right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:25

       So when I, uh, do that, and I'd actually had some conversations with Sirius and some other people about doing something, but I was like, "This is gonna be too many greasy fingers."

   23. MKMichael Kosta20:33

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:33

       "So let's just, let me just do this with my friends and just have fun, 'cause that's all I need out of it, just have fun."

   25. MKMichael Kosta20:38

       Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:39

       And, like, Ari was one of the first people like, "You gotta edit it." He was like, "You have to edit it."

   27. MKMichael Kosta20:42

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:43

       "No one wants to listen to that." I go, "I'm not editing it." I, and I, I ride him into the ground about this today. He's like, "You gotta make it under an hour." I go, "No, I don't." He goes, "Well, they're not gonna listen." I go, "They don't have to listen. I don't give a fuck."

   29. MKMichael Kosta20:53

       Right, right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:53

       Listener, don't listen.
8. 33:30 – 47:49

   COVID policy vs. real-world fallout: comorbidities, shutdown contradictions, and economic damage

   1. JRJoe Rogan33:30

      Yeah. Well, uh, you know, you don't wanna blame people that are the victims of a disease, right? But the victims of the disease generally are people with health problems.

   2. MKMichael Kosta33:42

      Yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan33:42

      2.6... Two t- Yeah. No, uh, two... Yeah, that's what it is. 2.6 comorbidity factors is the average of the people that have died from COVID. The, uh, the-

   4. MKMichael Kosta33:55

      What does that mean?

   5. JRJoe Rogan33:55

      ... the amount of, the amount of people that had COVID, only 6% of the people who died from COVID had COVID.

   6. MKMichael Kosta34:02

      Oh, right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan34:02

      Just COVID.

   8. MKMichael Kosta34:03

      Okay.

   9. JRJoe Rogan34:03

      Only COVID. The, the rest of the people that died had an average of 2.6, two, like, two and a half, basically, comorbidity factors. So, they had diabetes-

   10. MKMichael Kosta34:16

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan34:16

       ... they had this, they had that. They had, you know, l- lung disease. Th- I mean, we have a, a real public health crisis.

   12. MKMichael Kosta34:23

       It's a public health crisis added with capitalism.

   13. JRJoe Rogan34:28

       Yeah.

   14. MKMichael Kosta34:29

       And that is causing some serious issues because this is a capitalistic country. We value the dollar. We value business being open. I'm so impressed with how businesses have adapted. Comics have adapted through social media, learning-

   15. JRJoe Rogan34:44

       Yeah.

   16. MKMichael Kosta34:44

       ... new, new... It, I, weirdly, may get in trouble for this, but I have a newfound appreciation for capitalism. I see these small businesses in Brooklyn, and they're building outdoor heaters and planters and, like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan34:55

       Yes.

   18. MKMichael Kosta34:55

       ... I'm like, "Whoa, this is fucking awesome." Like, this is what capitalism is driving. Now, also, that love of capitalism is p- is, are making people say, "We can't shut the government. We can't shut things down." C- And you mix that with public health. I hope the end is near. I hope it's near. I'll take the vaccine.

   19. JRJoe Rogan35:12

       The light at the end of the tunnel.

   20. MKMichael Kosta35:13

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan35:13

       I think I said 2.6%.

   22. MKMichael Kosta35:15

       It feels like it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan35:15

       I think what I meant is 2.6.

   24. MKMichael Kosta35:17

       Okay.

   25. JRJoe Rogan35:18

       2.6 factor.

   26. MKMichael Kosta35:19

       What you're trying to say is people are dying from other shit.

   27. JRJoe Rogan35:21

       Yeah.

   28. MKMichael Kosta35:21

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan35:21

       They're, they're dying from a bunch of different things on top of having COVID.

   30. MKMichael Kosta35:25

       Yeah, yeah.
9. 47:49 – 56:47

   Plastic backlash and ocean cleanup: hemp plastics, Boyan Slat, and waste export

   1. MKMichael Kosta47:49

      The plastic ... all the to-go shit too.

   2. JRJoe Rogan47:52

      Yeah.

   3. MKMichael Kosta47:53

      I mean-

   4. JRJoe Rogan47:53

      Oh my god.

   5. MKMichael Kosta47:53

      ... how much fucking more plastic c- are we using?

   6. JRJoe Rogan47:55

      How many seals are gonna choke to death?

   7. MKMichael Kosta47:56

      I th- I thought we were headed in the right direction on plastic.

   8. JRJoe Rogan48:00

      Yeah.

   9. MKMichael Kosta48:00

      New York banned the plastic bag and now it's like this ... I mean, everything is plastic.

   10. JRJoe Rogan48:06

       Well, here's a solution for this that's never discussed but it really should be. There's, there is biodegradable-

   11. MKMichael Kosta48:11

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan48:11

       ... plastic that's made out of hemp. Hemp u- plastic-

   13. MKMichael Kosta48:14

       I feel like you've had somebody like this on the show probably.

   14. JRJoe Rogan48:16

       Yeah.

   15. MKMichael Kosta48:16

       For sure.

   16. JRJoe Rogan48:17

       Well, I, I have. And also I've had Boyan Slat who is, uh, a gentleman that is, uh, when he was 19 created a device for removing plastic from the ocean.

   17. MKMichael Kosta48:27

       Is this that fucking floaty thing?

   18. JRJoe Rogan48:28

       Yes.

   19. MKMichael Kosta48:29

       Yes. This-

   20. JRJoe Rogan48:29

       Yes.

   21. MKMichael Kosta48:29

       I was like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan48:30

       Amazing.

   23. MKMichael Kosta48:30

       ... all of humanity is hoping this works.

   24. JRJoe Rogan48:32

       Mm-hmm.

   25. MKMichael Kosta48:32

       And he t- I think he tried it in the San Francisco Bay maybe. I don't know if it-

   26. JRJoe Rogan48:35

       Well, he's ... No, he's doing it now.

   27. MKMichael Kosta48:37

       Okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan48:37

       He actually just sent me a, a message that a- he wants to send me a pair of sunglasses that are made out of the plastic-

   29. MKMichael Kosta48:44

       Sick.

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:44

       ... that they h- pulled out of the ocean. So they're not just taking this plastic-
10. 56:47 – 1:01:25

    Nature, access, and perspective: Malibu beach fights, “Lake Erie as a person,” and why ecosystems need rights

    1. JRJoe Rogan56:47

       ... is, like, constantly in this state of change and these assholes that make houses and put 'em right next to the ocean are silly.

    2. MKMichael Kosta56:53

       Right.

    3. JRJoe Rogan56:54

       You're silly.

    4. MKMichael Kosta56:54

       Right.

    5. JRJoe Rogan56:54

       Like that, that fucking shoreline varies wildly over the next 100 years, and yet you're just like-

    6. MKMichael Kosta57:02

       Yep.

    7. JRJoe Rogan57:02

       ... "Here's my house and I'm gonna put it on stilts so the water can go underneath it, but I'll be fine." We're weird with that, man. Like Malibu, the most expensive coastline in, in America, right? Those Malibu houses, and they're all on something that's just not gonna last.

    8. MKMichael Kosta57:19

       Yeah. And I never understood Malibu because I could never... A- as a regular person, you can't really see Malibu. It's just PCH.

    9. JRJoe Rogan57:28

       Yeah.

    10. MKMichael Kosta57:28

        But it's all private beaches. Somehow they've privatized-

    11. JRJoe Rogan57:31

        It's not.

    12. MKMichael Kosta57:31

        It's not.

    13. JRJoe Rogan57:32

        No, they pretend it's private.

    14. MKMichael Kosta57:33

        Fuck.

    15. JRJoe Rogan57:34

        This is, this is the thing.

    16. MKMichael Kosta57:35

        Bastards.

    17. JRJoe Rogan57:35

        Oh, it's, it's pretty gross. Not only is it gross, it's like a crazy situation. These people that own these houses on these beaches hire security to chase people off the beach 'cause the beach is in front of their house. But they don't own the beach.

    18. MKMichael Kosta57:48

        They don't own the beach.

    19. JRJoe Rogan57:49

        Because you can't own the beach.

    20. MKMichael Kosta57:50

        You can't own the beach, yes.

    21. JRJoe Rogan57:51

        It's literally-

    22. MKMichael Kosta57:51

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan57:51

        ... like owning a chunk of ocean.

    24. MKMichael Kosta57:52

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan57:52

        Like, it's not yours to buy.

    26. MKMichael Kosta57:54

        Yeah, yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan57:54

        You ha- you own the piece of land where your house is at, but these people pay like 20 million bucks for this-

    28. MKMichael Kosta58:01

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan58:01

        ... little house that's right there, and they think, "Well, I shouldn't have people playing the drums right in front of my house."

    30. MKMichael Kosta58:07

        Right.
11. 1:01:25 – 1:13:39

    Cosmic fragility: Younger Dryas impacts, asteroid risk, light pollution, and awe as therapy

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

       You know, those are glaciers that just melted.

    2. MKMichael Kosta1:01:27

       Is that wh-

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

       Yeah, that's what they are, glaciers that melted. There's a, there's a, a bunch of areas ... That was post-Ice Age too. That was, uh, one of the things that, uh ... There's a, there's a time called the, the Younger Dryas. Uh, the Younger Dryas impact theory is that during this time period, the Earth was hit. And it was just during the Ice Age. The Earth was hit with, uh, asteroidal impacts, which caused a rapid melting of the glaciers. And, uh, there, there's all sorts of, uh, evidence that points to it that this guy Randall Carlson can point out. And he's kinda spent his life ... It's really a crazy story.

    4. MKMichael Kosta1:02:02

       Whoa.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:02:02

       He was on acid once-

    6. MKMichael Kosta1:02:04

       (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:02:04

       ... and he was overlooking this area, and he had this vision. He realized ... Like, he was looking at this incredible terrain, these, you know, these canyons. And, and then he had this vision like, "Oh, my God, this is from water." Like, all this erosion-

    8. MKMichael Kosta1:02:17

       Right.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:02:17

       ... came from water. What would cause this much water and this much erosion? And then he spends literally decades researching this, decades obsessing about this-

    10. MKMichael Kosta1:02:29

        (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:02:29

        ... and has been on the podcast multiple times discussing this. And, and it coincides with the end of the Ice Aids, or the end of the Ice Age, and also coincides with this time where this comet is, uh, has like a cycle of passing by Earth. And debris from this comet-

    12. MKMichael Kosta1:02:47

        Ugh.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:02:47

        ... collided with the Earth. And there's all sorts of evidence in terms of, uh, soil, when they do soil samples, core samples, that there is what's called, uh, I think it's called tritonite. And it's, uh, nuclear. It's literally nuclear glass, and it happens on impact sites of, of asteroids. So when, when particles hit the Earth, literally it's the same glass that's created when they did the Trinity test.

    14. MKMichael Kosta1:03:12

        Fuck.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:03:13

        When they did the Trinity test, and they d- detonated a nuke. So this stuff all exists in this time period that coincides with the end of the Ice Age, and that is also ... Coincides with these rapid melting-

    16. MKMichael Kosta1:03:26

        Right.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:03:26

        ... of these glaciers. And then they, they pushed across, you know, the Earth, and like d- did this crazy shit to the, the surface of the Earth.

    18. NANarrator1:03:35

        When I Google it, there's a video from NASA that pops up first now-

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:03:38

        Wow.

    20. NANarrator1:03:38

        ... that's like almost confirming his theory-

    21. MKMichael Kosta1:03:41

        Wow.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:03:41

        Yeah, see those-

    23. NANarrator1:03:42

        ... there with like NASA satellites and stuff.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:03:43

        Those cau- Th- this, this area of where these glaciers rapidly thawed out, and just tore through the landscape, and moved these massive stones. It's really cra- You'd have to listen to him talk about it. I'm doing a really shitty job of describing it, but, uh, it's a fascinating-

    25. MKMichael Kosta1:04:02

        Wow.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:04:02

        ... fascinating thing to talk about. But this is all ... Those glaciers are all remnants of, uh, or those, uh, lakes, the Great Lakes-

    27. MKMichael Kosta1:04:12

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:04:13

        ... those are giant chunks of ice. The fucking ... Most of North America was covered with a mile-high sheet of ice.

    29. MKMichael Kosta1:04:20

        And then who's, what's gonna happen when the asteroid comes for us now? We're gonna-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:04:24

        We're fucked.

Episode duration: 3:48:21