Joe Rogan Experience #1587 - Mark Normand

1. 0:00 – 1:42

   Mark arrives in Texas: COVID tests, New York’s wave, and comics sticking together

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Good morning, man. How are you?

   4. MNMark Normand0:16

      Hey, hey. Good to be here.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      But you in Texas.

   6. MNMark Normand0:18

      I know, I feel good. I got tested, I feel great.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Yes, you're clean, you're clean of cooties.

   8. MNMark Normand0:22

      I've got to be honest, I'm shocked. I thought I'd been super spreading for weeks.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      (laughs)

   10. MNMark Normand0:27

       I just felt like that in my body, like, "Ah, I must be hurting people."

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Well, there's a wave going through New York right now.

   12. MNMark Normand0:32

       Oh, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       A lot of comics got it.

   14. MNMark Normand0:33

       Everybody's got it. I don't want to say names. I don't know what's out, but holy shit.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Yeah. I don't know what's out either.

   16. MNMark Normand0:38

       And it was all, it got all the funny ones, too.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Mm-hmm.

   18. MNMark Normand0:39

       It wasn't like, the hacks didn't die. And it's just like real comics, you know, they get Patrice, they get Mitch Hedberg, they get Geraldo. Same with corona.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Yeah. Well, you know, the one, those are the ones that are hanging out.

   20. MNMark Normand0:50

       Yeah, good point.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       You know?

   22. MNMark Normand0:51

       Funny people hang out with funny people.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Yeah. That, that is a, like when a comic stops hanging out with comics, never turns out well.

   24. MNMark Normand0:58

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       When they kind of alienate themselves-

   26. MNMark Normand1:00

       Ooh, good point.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       ... from other comics. You, you've noticed, right?

   28. MNMark Normand1:02

       Good point. And-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       They get weird.

   30. MNMark Normand1:04

       And we don't care about scandals or anything. If you're funny, we'll still hang out with you.
2. 1:42 – 5:36

   Getting back onstage: the addiction of stand-up and Rust vs. Rhythm

   1. MNMark Normand1:42

      Well, the pandemic's a bitch 'cause you can't do standup, but when you get that moment when you're hanging out with the other guys again, you're like, "Oh, this is what I've been missing. I've been going crazy. I felt like a weirdo in my apartment."

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:52

      Well, I've been doing these shows in town with Chappelle, and, uh, I did one of 'em with him, uh, like three weeks ago. Well, I did one with Tony Hinchcliffe at the Vulcan Gas Company like four weeks ago.

   3. MNMark Normand2:03

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:04

      And, uh, (laughs) Ron White was the funniest ever, 'cause before he's like, "I'm basically retired. I'm just gonna fucking retire, take all my tequila money and just fucking chill out. I'm gonna sell my plane."

   5. MNMark Normand2:14

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:14

      He started talking all this shit, and then he gets off stage. He did one set that he had, he hadn't, he hadn't done standup in eight months.

   7. MNMark Normand2:20

      Wow.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:20

      The moment he gets off stage, he grabs me by my shoulders. He goes, "We're fucking doing this, okay?"

   9. MNMark Normand2:25

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:25

       "We're back."

   11. MNMark Normand2:26

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       He goes, "I don't give a fuck what we have to do. This must continue." Like, he was like at 10, he was at, at a 10.

   13. MNMark Normand2:33

       It's in you. It's like when you quit drinking and you're like, "Fuck it. Tonight we're drinking." It's the same feeling.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:37

       (laughs)

   15. MNMark Normand2:37

       You just start chugging again. You're like, "Ah!" You rip your shirt off, you look like Kreischer.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:41

       Have you ever quit drinking?

   17. MNMark Normand2:43

       I tried for like a week. I just, I like it, and, uh, I'm, I feel like I'm good at it now.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       Oh.

   19. MNMark Normand2:48

       I'm in my late 30s. I, I've drank since I was 13.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       (laughs)

   21. MNMark Normand2:51

       I, I got it down. I mean, I'm from New Orleans, you know. You, you get after it out there.

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:55

       Yeah, it's a different world up there.

   23. MNMark Normand2:56

       It's part of the culture. But yeah, no, you're right. The comedy, you need it. Once you get back into it, 'cause we're, I think we're inherently lazy, most comics. We want to put our feet up. Well, not you. You're doing 17 jujitsus and, you know, making coffee and stuff. But like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       (laughs)

   25. MNMark Normand3:11

       ... I feel like, uh, we're inherently lazy, but you get us back in that, that limelight, and it, it all percolates.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       Yeah, well, in terms of like wanting to do it, yeah.

   27. MNMark Normand3:19

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       Yeah. Well, the, the, the juice is worth the squeeze. It's... Say that again. The juice is worth the squeeze.

   29. MNMark Normand3:25

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:26

       Like when y- if you can get back into like standup shape, the juice of killing in front of a crowd-
3. 5:36 – 7:08

   Pre-show environment matters: Chappelle’s green-room system and the value of hang time

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:36

      These Chappelle shows that we- we're doing, he's got this like sort of hangout system. He's got it down.

   2. MNMark Normand5:42

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:42

      Everybody's COVID tested, plays great music in the green room, and people are just hanging out drinking and laughing, so you're, you're having fun.

   4. MNMark Normand5:51

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:51

      And he's, it's like for, for him, this is a th- like he thought this through. He's like, "I would be before a show reading a book and then go on stage and be funny." He's like, "I don't, this doesn't feel good."

   6. MNMark Normand6:02

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:02

      "This isn't how to do it." Like ...

   8. MNMark Normand6:03

      No.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:04

      So now we're in the back and he's cracking jokes, we're laughing, we're talking shit, we're, you know, we're having fun, having a couple of drinks, and then boom, he goes on stage loose as a goose, already having fun.

   10. MNMark Normand6:17

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       It's really wise. It's a wise way to approach it.

   12. MNMark Normand6:20

       It is wise 'cause social, you need that social lube. Like, you ever fly to Arkansas? You get off the plane, you get into a car, you go right on stage and you're like, "Ugh, you guys are the first people I've spoken to in 17 hours."

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       Yes, exactly.

   14. MNMark Normand6:32

       And you gotta like kick in.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:33

       Yes.

   16. MNMark Normand6:33

       It's good to be loose and social and fun with people.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       Yeah, that's why for m- well, for me, I used to always bring opening acts on the road because-

   18. MNMark Normand6:40

       Hmm. Oh, there you go.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:41

       ... well, for two reasons. One-... you wanna hang with a guy, want, want a buddy to come with you on the road, but two, you know the person's gonna be funny.

   20. MNMark Normand6:47

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:48

       'Cause the worst is when you have to sit there through 20 minutes of someone's terrible act and you, you're like, "Oh, no." And you feel bad for the audience-

   22. MNMark Normand6:55

       Right. (laughs) Oh, that's the worst.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:56

       And, and then I used to feel bad, like comedy doesn't work.

   24. MNMark Normand6:59

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:00

       Like, "Comedy's not real."

   26. MNMark Normand7:00

       Right, right. "These people hate it. They'll never come see a show again."

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:03

       "This is not comedy. This is... What is comedy? Comedy doesn't, can't be real."

   28. MNMark Normand7:06

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:06

       "These guys talking? Nothing can be funny."

4. 7:08 – 9:47

   Comedy is fragile: room conditions, timing, and Seinfeld’s “missing train car” analogy

   1. MNMark Normand7:08

      Well, comedy is pretty flimsy when you really break it down.

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:11

      Yeah.

   3. MNMark Normand7:11

      You know? It's like one little air conditioner, the blender's gone, it's all over.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:15

      Yeah.

   5. MNMark Normand7:15

      The waitress comes, it's all over. So you're like, "Damn." It's like a boner when you're 48. You know? It's harder to hold.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:20

      (laughs)

   7. MNMark Normand7:21

      You know?

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:21

      A stumble of words.

   9. MNMark Normand7:23

      Yes, that's it.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       It slips through your fingers.

   11. MNMark Normand7:24

       It's over.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:25

       It's gone.

   13. MNMark Normand7:26

       Seinfeld said-

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       Yeah.

   15. MNMark Normand7:26

       ... it was like when a car train goes by, like a ca- a train goes by and one of the cars is missing and you have to jump it with a motorcycle.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:32

       Hmm.

   17. MNMark Normand7:32

       That one missing car. But if you do too late, you'll hit the-

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:36

       Bang.

   19. MNMark Normand7:36

       ... hit the train. And it's just, it's such a good analogy.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:38

       Yeah. It's a slippery little rascal.

   21. MNMark Normand7:41

       It-

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:41

       Hard to hold onto.

   23. MNMark Normand7:42

       It is weird though, going back to dropping your whole act, because speaking of Seinfeld and the '80s guys, they did their act for 700 years, you know? But like, we just drop it, and we works so hard on it. Is that a little sociopathic? It almost feels-

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:56

       No.

   25. MNMark Normand7:56

       ... like those people who take in dogs-

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:57

       (laughs)

   27. MNMark Normand7:58

       ... and then they fall in love with them and they're like, "Okay, I've, I've fostered a dog, now it's good to go with a family."

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:02

       No. No, no, no. Because it's recorded. It's go- it's gone.

   29. MNMark Normand8:05

       That's true.

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:05

       It's done. It's out there forever.
5. 9:47 – 12:53

   Marriage as a legal contract: fear of change, divorces, and who ‘wins’ financially

   1. MNMark Normand9:47

      That's nice. I, I, I kind of wish I had that with like a wife. That's why I'm so scared of marriage.

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:53

      Mm.

   3. MNMark Normand9:53

      Because you change so much from just high school to now or college to now, and then you get a ... you get married and then you change again maybe when you're 62. And then you're stuck with this, uh, plus size lady.

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:05

      (laughs)

   5. MNMark Normand10:05

      And you don't know what the hell to do and how to get out and then you can't meet anybody new because you're 62.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:10

      That's the problem with the contract of marriage, right? That's the problem, is it is a legal contract.

   7. MNMark Normand10:15

      And it feels-

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:15

      If, if it goes great and you're-

   9. MNMark Normand10:16

      ... very antiquated.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:18

       It is in a lot of ways. Um, it's very good for, uh, ensuring that there's like a, there's a bond that's not just your word.

   11. MNMark Normand10:27

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:28

       You know, it's legal. So if you do try to leave, the woman at least has some sort of financial recourse. In some case the men. Every now and then one of us-

   13. MNMark Normand10:36

       That's true.

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:37

       We've, we put one on the board.

   15. MNMark Normand10:39

       Right. (laughs) Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:39

       Tom Arnold is our all star.

   17. MNMark Normand10:41

       (laughs) Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       Right?

   19. MNMark Normand10:42

       He's the-

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       In terms of men-

   21. MNMark Normand10:43

       He's the broad.

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:43

       ... who have made money from divorces, he's the GOAT.

   23. MNMark Normand10:47

       Yeah, I think-

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:47

       Right?

   25. MNMark Normand10:47

       ... it's like when a Black cop shoots a white guy. I'm sure it's the same shit-

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:50

       (laughs)

   27. MNMark Normand10:50

       ... with the Black community. Or like when OJ won. I, I, I lived in a Black neighborhood and I could hear the, the yelling and people were going nuts.

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:57

       Tearing.

   29. MNMark Normand10:57

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:58

       Every now and then a guy wins. Who else do we know of that has made money off of like a high profile divorce where the woman had all the money?
6. 12:53 – 16:41

   Body positivity and gendered expectations: why insults ‘stick’ differently

   1. MNMark Normand12:53

      Which is so cool about comedy, because those things are imprinted in people.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:56

      Yes.

   3. MNMark Normand12:56

      So when you make a joke the wrong way, you make a fat guy joke, ha ha. Make a fat lady joke, no, no.

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:02

      Right, exactly.

   5. MNMark Normand13:03

      And the audience will tell you that. And so all the PC, all the tweets, all the bullshit, you can tell me this shit all day but I got a focus group right here.

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:10

      Dude, I saved a, a body positivity meme that someone tried to, uh, get out there of po- for men with guts. (laughs)

   7. MNMark Normand13:18

      Oh, yeah. (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:19

      It was f- f- like a fat man-

   9. MNMark Normand13:21

      Ah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:21

       ... your, your body's beautiful.

   11. MNMark Normand13:23

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:23

       Like, like get the fuck outta here. They were trying it.

   13. MNMark Normand13:25

       Uh-huh.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:26

       But you know this is not gonna work.

   15. MNMark Normand13:27

       It's not gonna work?

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:27

       This is not gonna work.

   17. MNMark Normand13:28

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:29

       It only works on females.

   19. MNMark Normand13:30

       It's true. It's true. Big is beautiful, it's never about Chris Christie.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:34

       Jesus... (laughs)

   21. MNMark Normand13:35

       You know? It's about Lena Dunham or whoever the fuck.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:37

       Exactly, exactly. Well, there's, you know ... It's, it's ... And it ... The feeling that they're getting from this is a, a supportive feeling from other females. Men-

   23. MNMark Normand13:46

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:46

       ... would never support you for being a fat fuck. Never.

   25. MNMark Normand13:49

       Never.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:49

       Never. They're never like, "Yeah, bro. Who cares man?"

   27. MNMark Normand13:52

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:53

       "You look awesome with your fat gut." Like, never.

   29. MNMark Normand13:56

       Which is actually healthier. I mean, it's a little meaner outta the gate, but at least we're being honest. We're keeping it real.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:03

       Uh, yeah, or would not letting them get away with something.
7. 16:41 – 20:32

   Managers, leverage, and early-career breaks: Joe’s origin story with his longtime manager

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:41

      Well, then there's the question, right? (clears throat) Like, uh, when a, uh, a management company and talent are together, how much of the talent's success is due to the management and how much the talent's success is due just to the person being talented?

   2. MNMark Normand16:57

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:58

      And i- is it quantifiable? Now, this is where I could speak, because I have the same manager that I had when I was an open mic comedian.

   4. MNMark Normand17:06

      Wow, that's rare.

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:08

      Yeah. Oh yeah, dude. I met Sussman and, uh, I was, uh, I think I was 24. I was like 23 or 24. And, uh, I was terrible. (laughs) And I was an open mic-er.

   6. MNMark Normand17:19

      Yeah, way aware.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:20

      I was driving a limo. I mean, uh, but I had a few good jokes I could kill, like occasionally.

   8. MNMark Normand17:25

      Uh-huh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:25

      You know, I could catch a, I could catch a good wave-

   10. MNMark Normand17:27

       Sure.

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:28

       ... when I was loose. And just randomly he was in Boston looking for comedians. And he had set up a bunch of meetings to see all these different headliners, local headliners on stage. And I didn't know he was there. I didn't know anything was going on. I was driving limos and I called the owner up and I asked him, I said, "I had a funny idea. Could I do five minutes tonight?" 'Cause he was already giving me some spots when I was emceeing some shows.

   12. MNMark Normand17:53

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:54

       I go, "I got this bit. I think it's, I think it's gonna work. I think I got something." And I went up and I opened with it, and I remember it did get a laugh.

   14. MNMark Normand18:00

       What?

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:00

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like ... I forgo- I wish I could remember the bit, but it was a bit that actually worked. I was like, "Yes! It's real."

   16. MNMark Normand18:06

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:06

       And then I was real loose, then I went into some of my old stuff. And, um, I got off stage and this guy handed me a business card like a fucking movie.

   18. MNMark Normand18:13

       Wow. The '80s, man.

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:16

       It was like, he goes, "I'm a manager and, uh, I'd, I'd love to, uh, to talk to you and see you do more sets."

   20. MNMark Normand18:22

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:22

       And I did one next door, across the street, uh, like the next night. And then I went to New York like, uh, maybe two weeks later and did a bunch of sets for him in New York at-

   22. MNMark Normand18:31

       Jeez.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:32

       ... Catch Rising Star, and then next thing you know I was living in New York.

   24. MNMark Normand18:34

       Wow. Did you fuck him?

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:36

       No.

   26. MNMark Normand18:36

       All right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:37

       Still, to this day, never fucked him.

   28. MNMark Normand18:39

       That's- But that's unheard of.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:40

       So, with that kind of a situation, like, that guy is r- and he, and Chandra, my other manager, they're responsible for a giant part-... of my success-

   30. MNMark Normand18:51

       Yeah.
8. 20:32 – 26:15

   Cancel culture and ‘punching up’: defending outrageous comedy as an art form

   1. JRJoe Rogan20:32

      Well, that's what, everybody's worried about the blowback-

   2. MNMark Normand20:34

      I know.

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:34

      ... from just being a comic. They're worried about, you know, n- uh, the negative response from saying the wrong thing-

   4. MNMark Normand20:41

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:41

      ... or joking about the wrong thing.

   6. MNMark Normand20:43

      Yup.

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:44

      Yeah.

   8. MNMark Normand20:44

      I just joke about all the wrong things just 'cause it, I wanna have too many things to find.

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:48

      If we don't keep joking about the wrong things, then the idea of joking about the wrong things will go away. It's-

   10. MNMark Normand20:55

       I agree.

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:55

       If you see Quentin care- Quentin Tarantino has a movie where a woman gets her fucking brains bashed into a fireplace mantelpiece-

   12. MNMark Normand21:03

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:03

       ... right?

   14. MNMark Normand21:04

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan21:04

       Do you, do you get mad at that or do you think that's part of the film? Do you think that this is endorsing violence? What... No, you think it's a kind of weird art-

   16. MNMark Normand21:12

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:12

       ... where this craziness is happening. But for whatever reason, because the standup is on stage by themselves and they wrote this by themselves, they're not given that same sort of leeway.

   18. MNMark Normand21:20

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:21

       Like you can't just fuck around about something and say something you don't really mean, but it's-

   20. MNMark Normand21:25

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:25

       ... outrageous and you're not supposed to say it.

   22. MNMark Normand21:27

       Sure.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:27

       And you s- that's the reason why it's funny is because you're saying something you're not supposed to say.

   24. MNMark Normand21:31

       I agree because also there's layers to a movie. With a comedy, you can just yell at you.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:36

       Yeah.

   26. MNMark Normand21:37

       I can just yell at Mark Normand.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:38

       Yeah.

   28. MNMark Normand21:38

       You know, he, he said this. I have a clip of him. "Look at this piece of shit saying this about, you know, special needs Downsy kids or whatever."

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:44

       Right.

   30. MNMark Normand21:45

       But then with the, with the, with the Tarantino, it's a director, it's a filmmaker, there's actors involved-
9. 26:15 – 29:27

   Why comics attack comics now: insecurity, social media incentives, and virtue signaling

   1. JRJoe Rogan26:15

      Here's what happened. Everyone who got on social media, everyone, everyone has the ability to comment on things. And some of the people commenting on things are not good at comedy.

   2. MNMark Normand26:27

      Yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan26:28

      A lot of them.

   4. MNMark Normand26:28

      A lot of them, most of them.

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:29

      There's a lot of them that are comics that are commenting on it.

   6. MNMark Normand26:32

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan26:32

      And they're not good at comedy. They're comics, but they're passable.

   8. MNMark Normand26:37

      Sure.

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:37

      They don't do well. They don't have thriving careers. And their, their, their act is (imitates buzzing)

   10. MNMark Normand26:42

       Right, right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan26:43

       Sometimes it's okay, you know? I'm not, like, being totally ob- objective.

   12. MNMark Normand26:47

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:47

       Maybe they could have put a little more work in.

   14. MNMark Normand26:49

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan26:49

       Maybe they could have figured it out better. Maybe they could have... Whatever's wrong, whatever... You know, it just, sometimes it doesn't work out for people.

   16. MNMark Normand26:57

       Yeah, yeah. It happens.

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:58

       Those are the loudest voices-

   18. MNMark Normand27:00

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan27:00

       ... against very successful, outrageous guys like Louis or like Joey Diaz-

   20. MNMark Normand27:07

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan27:07

       ... or like many of the other ones that people get mad at for bits.

   22. MNMark Normand27:10

       It's just new though, the comics attacking comics.

   23. JRJoe Rogan27:13

       It's not good.

   24. MNMark Normand27:14

       That's not good. And I, when I started, that wasn't even a thought.

   25. JRJoe Rogan27:17

       No.

   26. MNMark Normand27:17

       You'd be like, "Wait, what are you doing? You know what I, why I said that horrible thing. I'm trying to get a laugh here."

   27. JRJoe Rogan27:21

       But it's never guys like Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle-

   28. MNMark Normand27:25

       No. No.

   29. JRJoe Rogan27:25

       Or, or, you know, it's never Bill Burr attacking comics.

   30. MNMark Normand27:28

       No.
10. 29:27 – 36:11

    Bombing, self-critique, and growth: the ‘gift’ of eating shit

    1. MNMark Normand29:27

       That, no one wants to mention that. That's another part about comedy that's tough is no one ever goes, "You know what? You suck."

    2. JRJoe Rogan29:33

       Mm.

    3. MNMark Normand29:33

       "Yeah, I know you're mad at everybody. I know you hate the business. You hate funny, successful people, but you're just not good." You know, they go, "Hey, it's 'cause I'm this. It's 'cause I'm that." But also, have you heard any laughs? Isn't that weird when a comic gets off stage and it was a complete bomb and they're like, "All right, what are we doing after?" I'm like, "You don't hate yourself right now? I would be in the bathroom shitting my brains out crying. Ah, I never got that." Like, you should be upset.

    4. JRJoe Rogan29:57

       Yeah.

    5. MNMark Normand29:57

       You should be at least thinking about it. One time I did a gig and I was the middle act. Host killed, I bombed, headliner annihilated, and I was shitting. It was at the Denver Comedy Works. This is years ago. I was shitting, and I was in the stall, and I heard two guys washing their hands and one of them goes, "How about that host, huh?" And he goes, "Oh man, so funny." And he goes, "How about the headliner?" And he was like, "Oh, unbelievable." And they go, he goes, "What'd you think of the middle guy?" And I was like, "Oh," you know, my pants are down, the most vulnerable position. And I went, "I thought he was pretty good."

    6. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       (laughs)

    7. MNMark Normand30:27

       And they went, "Ah, he sucked. He sucked." And then they left and I was like, "Oh, I did suck." Crushed me.

    8. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       (laughs)

    9. MNMark Normand30:33

       Crushed me. I'll never forget that.

    10. JRJoe Rogan30:35

        But if you don't experience that bad feeling, you're not gonna work hard enough to keep going.

    11. MNMark Normand30:38

        Yeah, yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan30:39

        If you just, if you just take that and you say, "That audience was filled with assholes."

    13. MNMark Normand30:44

        Yeah, there's a lot of that.

    14. JRJoe Rogan30:45

        "And it was..." Yeah.... they didn't respect me.

    15. MNMark Normand30:47

        They don't get me.

    16. JRJoe Rogan30:48

        They don't get me. They wanna hear dumb comedy.

    17. MNMark Normand30:51

        (laughs) Right.

    18. JRJoe Rogan30:51

        They wanna hear stupid jokes.

    19. MNMark Normand30:52

        They're alt-right.

    20. JRJoe Rogan30:54

        Yeah. There's something about them that's wrong. It's not me.

    21. MNMark Normand30:57

        Right, right.

    22. JRJoe Rogan30:57

        That's what people do. They... Look, man, people do that in relationships, they do that in-

    23. MNMark Normand31:00

        Yes.

    24. JRJoe Rogan31:00

        ... friendships, they do that at work.

    25. MNMark Normand31:02

        A lot of blaming.

    26. JRJoe Rogan31:03

        Look, there's a lot of people that get fired from their job and then they just wanna say, like, you know, "I was discriminated against." They don't like, "No, no, no, they didn't like you."

    27. MNMark Normand31:10

        Yeah, that's it.

    28. JRJoe Rogan31:10

        "They don't want you in the office."

    29. MNMark Normand31:12

        That's it. You know, you remember the guy who used to go up to a girl and hit on her and she'd go, "No, thanks," and he'd go, "Fucking dyke." (laughs) You're like, "Maybe she just doesn't like you." Like every girl's gotta wanna fuck you.

    30. JRJoe Rogan31:21

        That's a dark thing when you see that for men.
11. 36:11 – 53:07

    Vaccines, Bell’s palsy fears, and the conversation detouring into Mike Tyson’s intensity

    1. MNMark Normand36:11

       You taking it?

    2. JRJoe Rogan36:12

       Put a hole in the sales. Uh, depends-

    3. MNMark Normand36:14

       (laughs)

    4. JRJoe Rogan36:14

       ... on how many people get the Bell's palsy. Right now-

    5. MNMark Normand36:17

       Oh.

    6. JRJoe Rogan36:17

       ... f- only four out of, like, 20,000 people that took it in England. Right? Is it 20,000 people?

    7. MNMark Normand36:24

       Four is amazing. I mean, that's better than aspirin.

    8. JRJoe Rogan36:27

       Unless it's you.... and the you can't do standup for a long time.

    9. MNMark Normand36:31

       I don't think I'm gonna win the lottery, and I'm applying that same logic to the Bell's.

    10. JRJoe Rogan36:35

        Do you know who got that for a little bit? Dom Irrera had it for a little bit.

    11. MNMark Normand36:38

        Huh.

    12. JRJoe Rogan36:38

        Then it went away.

    13. MNMark Normand36:39

        It went away?

    14. JRJoe Rogan36:40

        Yeah. Yeah, it goes away.

    15. MNMark Normand36:41

        Oh, I didn't know that.

    16. JRJoe Rogan36:41

        You get it and then it, and then it can go away. Yeah.

    17. MNMark Normand36:43

        Wow.

    18. JRJoe Rogan36:44

        But when you're a comic, for like months you can't do standup 'cause half-

    19. MNMark Normand36:47

        Sure.

    20. JRJoe Rogan36:47

        ... your face doesn't work.

    21. MNMark Normand36:48

        Yikes.

    22. JRJoe Rogan36:48

        Yeah. And they don't know why, they don't know what's-

    23. MNMark Normand36:51

        Really?

    24. JRJoe Rogan36:51

        Yeah.

    25. MNMark Normand36:52

        That's the scariest when doctors are like, "We don't know."

    26. JRJoe Rogan36:54

        Yeah. My buddy's kid got it from Lyme disease.

    27. MNMark Normand36:56

        Hmm.

    28. JRJoe Rogan36:57

        Yeah, he got Lyme disease and all of a sudden he had Bell's palsy. It was-

    29. MNMark Normand37:01

        Is that f-

    30. JRJoe Rogan37:01

        He was a young kid too. I, I believe at the time he was seven.
12. 53:07 – 1:03:36

    Coffee, energy drinks, Diet Coke, and old-Hollywood ‘dieting’ extremes

    1. JRJoe Rogan53:07

       Also, I'm fasting, so-

    2. MNMark Normand53:09

       Oh, really?

    3. JRJoe Rogan53:09

       Yeah. So today is, uh, I'm not eating until, uh, after the show.

    4. MNMark Normand53:14

       What a country. We fast on purpose, baby.

    5. JRJoe Rogan53:16

       Yeah, we starve ourselves on purpose.

    6. MNMark Normand53:17

       What a weird, weird world we live in. It's so good we gotta make a struggle.

    7. JRJoe Rogan53:23

       Yeah.

    8. MNMark Normand53:24

       We, we do that every day. I, I gotta tell you, this coffee is so good. I'm trying not to drink more of it. I, I didn't start drinking coffee till I was, like, 34, and now I'm obsessed with it.

    9. JRJoe Rogan53:34

       What happened?

    10. MNMark Normand53:34

        I just always looked at it like, "Oh, my mom drinks coffee. What is that? I don't, I got energy. I don't need to fucking rely on this brown liquid." And then one day I was hungover and I said, "Fuck it," and I've never gone back. And now if I, if I don't drink I get a headache.

    11. JRJoe Rogan53:47

        Oh, you're hooked.

    12. MNMark Normand53:48

        It's got a hold on me. I'm sure you do too.

    13. JRJoe Rogan53:49

        Yeah.

    14. MNMark Normand53:49

        But you just probably drink so much you don't get the headache.

    15. JRJoe Rogan53:51

        I just keep drinking it.

    16. MNMark Normand53:52

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan53:53

        It's available. You can get it everywhere.

    18. MNMark Normand53:54

        I know, and it's very good. And this is-

    19. JRJoe Rogan53:56

        BlackRifleCoffee.com.

    20. MNMark Normand53:57

        This is good stuff. I'm drinking the Keurig dog shit at home.

    21. JRJoe Rogan54:00

        Uh, this is the real shit. I don't know what, what version of, uh, Black Rifle this is. It's probably the, it tastes like it's Ethiopian.

    22. MNMark Normand54:06

        Oh, jeez. You know your, uh, coffee countries, huh?

    23. JRJoe Rogan54:09

        Um, well, Ethiopian-

    24. MNMark Normand54:11

        Or economy, world, yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan54:11

        ... has, um, it's got like a kinda lemony flavor to it.

    26. MNMark Normand54:15

        Uh-huh.

    27. JRJoe Rogan54:15

        But, uh, that's where all coffee originated.

    28. MNMark Normand54:17

        Ah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan54:18

        Yeah. It's a little tidbit I learned from Peter Giuliano, who's a, uh, coffee expert who was on the podcast many, many years ago. But all of it came out of Ethiopia.

    30. MNMark Normand54:27

        Huh.

Episode duration: 3:01:29