Joe Rogan Experience #1600 - Lex Fridman

1. 0:02 – 1:30

   Suits, ties, and playful trolling (Michael Malice style)

   1. NANarrator0:02

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) Rex, I had a surprise for you, but it didn't work out.

   4. LFLex Fridman0:17

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      I had a suit and a tie-

   6. LFLex Fridman0:19

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      ... and I was gonna come in dressed like you.

   8. LFLex Fridman0:21

      Exactly.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Full ... Yes, full on. W- white shirt, suit, tie.

   10. LFLex Fridman0:24

       Fitted?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Yes, fitted, but the problem is my fucking shirt was at the cleaners, so then I tried to use, um ... I have, uh, some other white shirts that are, like, these really stretchy shirts that you can wear 'em if they're open, but if I'm trying to put a tie on, they literally don't fit around my neck. So I'm doing this and I'm killing myself. And then I'm like, "Well, maybe I'll leave it open."

   12. LFLex Fridman0:45

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       And they're, they're just ... There's certain-

   14. LFLex Fridman0:46

       Dressing up like first day of school.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Yeah.

   16. LFLex Fridman0:48

       Damn. I, I appreciate it. It's like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       I was-

   18. LFLex Fridman0:50

       I'm honored.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       I was gonna m- mimic you.

   20. LFLex Fridman0:52

       Yeah. Yeah, uh, do you know ... Remember Michael Malice?

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Yes.

   22. LFLex Fridman0:55

       He actually ... I did a podcast with him and he (laughs) he wore, uh, the opposite-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Oh.

   24. LFLex Fridman1:00

       ... which is a white-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Tie.

   26. LFLex Fridman1:02

       ... suit and a white tie and a black sh- ... I mean, he is a sort of the epitome of the loving kind of troll.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       Yes.

   28. LFLex Fridman1:10

       That's like the ultimate troll. He, he wore the exact opposite. He got the exact same haircut as me-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       (laughs)

   30. LFLex Fridman1:15

       ... which I don't even know what that means exactly.
2. 1:30 – 6:45

   Anarchy vs. order: Malice’s politics and the role of government

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:30

      ... very interesting guy 'cause, uh, he's got some wacky beliefs that I don't beli- ... I, I don't subscribe to at all.

   2. LFLex Fridman1:36

      Anarchy.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:36

      Yeah, complete anarchy. No police. I don't think we should have police.

   4. LFLex Fridman1:39

      No.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:39

      Like, like, what world do you live in, any you weigh three pounds-

   6. LFLex Fridman1:42

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:42

      ... and y- you don't even have a gun. You don't (laughs) have a police.

   8. LFLex Fridman1:45

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:45

      Like, what are you talking about?

   10. LFLex Fridman1:46

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:46

       But he's a brilliant guy.

   12. LFLex Fridman1:48

       Brilliant.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:48

       I- i- it's, uh, it's interesting. Like I- I don't subscribe to a lot of his ideas, but I think, um ... (smacks lips) He, uh, he- he's also ... Always has a half smile when he's saying things.

   14. LFLex Fridman1:58

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:58

       So you kind of never know.

   16. LFLex Fridman2:00

       I don't, I don't think he means half the things he says.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:03

       Really?

   18. LFLex Fridman2:04

       So I don't know. He's-

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       (laughs)

   20. LFLex Fridman2:06

       He's, uh, underneath it all, which is why I talk to him, which is why I consider him a friend. There's a really kind person in there.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       Yes.

   22. LFLex Fridman2:14

       And ... But he says things like, yeah, like, "Police is the enemy." And it's like, wait a minute. Uh, uh, d- and you live in New York. So he plays with ideas. It feels like he's just somebody who's juggling with different ideas and having fun with it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:27

       Mm.

   24. LFLex Fridman2:27

       Not taking anything seriously. And that's really refreshing because, uh, in the b- in the best light, that's a fearless way to see the world. And also, uh, he's working on this concept of, I think he calls it, the white pill. You know, like red pill and blue pill.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:43

       (laughs)

   26. LFLex Fridman2:43

       The white pill is basically ... You know, I think he's highlighting that, that for red-pilled folks, that there's sometimes a cynicism about the future of the world. And the white pill is seeing the truth of the world but being optimistic about it and thinking, like, we can actually make things better. So not becoming cynical.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       Mm.

   28. LFLex Fridman3:04

       Not saying, like, you know, uh, "Globalists, the government is ultimately ... Like, power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's always going to be a bureaucracy. It's always going to be greedy people who take power and, and take control." So that's like the cynical, the negative view. But the, uh, the positive, the white-pill view is that, you know, uh, we can actually build a better world. I mean, he has ideas about how to build that better world that I don't agree with. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       What is his ideas?

   30. LFLex Fridman3:35

       I- I'm not sure I've, uh, quite understood them, but ... Because ultimately he's like a counter-puncher, which is, you know, government ... All government is bad. So that's ... The idea of anarchism is that y- you're supposed to, in this emergent way, m- y- you know, form groups and agree together how those groups should operate. I'm, I'm not articulating this-
3. 6:45 – 7:44

   Comedy as dissent: Tim Dillon, free passes, and punching up

   1. LFLex Fridman6:45

      Yeah, exactly. Uh, yeah. So I mean, he... But I feel like, and Tim Dillon does this really well as well, is there's like a humor to it, where you're almost taking down the powerful by not taking them seriously.

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:03

      He's one of the best alive at it. Tim Dillon's-

   3. LFLex Fridman7:04

      Tim Dillon.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:04

      ... one of the best I've ever seen.

   5. LFLex Fridman7:06

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:06

      One of the best I've ever seen at making fun of things while pretending to be serious.

   7. LFLex Fridman7:11

      Yeah, yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:12

      (laughs)

   9. LFLex Fridman7:12

      His, uh, his YouTube is, is hilarious.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:14

       He's amazing.

   11. LFLex Fridman7:14

       He's doing these little skits.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:15

       I love that guy to death.

   13. LFLex Fridman7:16

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:16

       And he has a free pass because he's gay.

   15. LFLex Fridman7:19

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       So like, he gets away-

   17. LFLex Fridman7:20

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       ... with so much more. And he doesn't seem gay. Like, my wife doesn't even believe it. She's like, "I don't even believe he's gay."

   19. LFLex Fridman7:26

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       She's-

   21. LFLex Fridman7:27

       That's an act.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:27

       She's laughing about it. She's joking, but he's just a, he's a one of a kind.

   23. LFLex Fridman7:32

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       He really is a one of a kind.

   25. LFLex Fridman7:34

       Kamala has already arrested me. Not mad though. Just enjoying the moment.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:38

       (laughs)

   27. LFLex Fridman7:39

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       His Twitter's a fucking... It's a work of art. I mean, it really is. His Twitter feed's amazing.

   29. LFLex Fridman7:43

       Yeah.

4. 7:44 – 11:45

   Homelessness in California and Austin: policy, incentives, and spillover

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:44

      What did you say, that Burt made a video of the homeless?

   2. NANarrator7:47

      Um, yeah, it was on his Instagram. I'll see if I can pull it up, 'cause, uh-

   3. LFLex Fridman7:49

      Yeah.

   4. NANarrator7:49

      He was-

   5. LFLex Fridman7:50

      Burt Kreischer?

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:50

      Yeah.

   7. NANarrator7:50

      He was driving up Highland Avenue in Hollywood and was just saying like... (clears throat) He wasn't showing the whole video during it, but he was like at a stoplight, and like there was tents the whole way up here, and he was explaining, he's like, "This is also a really nice tent." Crap.

   8. LFLex Fridman8:03

      People want me to talk to Burt Kreischer-

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:05

      Here's Burt.

   10. LFLex Fridman8:05

       ... because of this Russia story.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:06

       Oh, hi, Burt. Look at Burt.

   12. LFLex Fridman8:08

       The machine.

   13. NANarrator8:09

       Checking it out.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:10

       Oh, this, it's in his Instagram story.

   15. NANarrator8:11

       Yeah, it's in his story.

   16. LFLex Fridman8:11

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:11

       That motherfucker, his stories will go on for years.

   18. NANarrator8:14

       Yeah, 'cause he does it for a long-

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:15

       He does, does them every 15 seconds.

   20. NANarrator8:16

       It might even be deleted now.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:17

       It's crazy.

   22. NANarrator8:18

       Yeah, I think it's gone.

   23. LFLex Fridman8:18

       Productivity-wise, he's basically-

   24. NANarrator8:20

       Yeah.

   25. LFLex Fridman8:20

       ... the Elon Musk of Instagram stories.

   26. NANarrator8:22

       Maybe he took it off 'cause it's not showing up, or it could be one of these.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:26

       Is it? Well, there's so-

   28. NANarrator8:27

       Yeah, there it is actually.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:28

       There it is. There's tents all the way up on Highland.

   30. Where people living on the side of the street. This is fucking insane. This is literally hundreds of tents everywhere. Uh, by the way, that's a nice fucking tent also. (laughs) Those are two-
5. 11:45 – 15:28

   Lockdowns, regulation, and trust in institutions: fear, incentives, and control

   1. LFLex Fridman11:45

      So, this particular state government just seems incompetent at solving this particular problem, but it also seems to be not very good at solving some other problems, right? In terms of encouraging businesses to stay there.

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:58

      You mean California?

   3. LFLex Fridman11:58

      California, sorry.

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:59

      Yeah, yeah.

   5. LFLex Fridman12:00

      Sorry, yeah. And-

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:01

      Well, it's, it's, it's ba- it's overregulated. It's a crazy regulated state, you know, and it's also very high taxes. And there's, uh, a lot of people that are recognizing that there's other places that don't have any state taxes. Like, why would I stay in a place that's discri- it's, they're, they're telling you you can't work. They're closing down businesses. Gavin Newsom today is, there's a lawsuit got filed by more than 50 San Francisco Bay Area restaurants and bars.... trying to say, like, "Why, why are we closed? Like, this doesn't make any sense. You should, you, you can't just keep doing this forever." And some places are starting to wake up. My, my hope is that a lot of this was political, as gross as that sounds, and that now that Biden and Harris are in, that they'll open things back up. And the mayor of Chicago said this, the mayor of New York has said we have to open things back up. And I'm hoping-

   7. LFLex Fridman12:51

      Oh, interesting.

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:52

      ... I'm hoping that they take this chance.

   9. LFLex Fridman12:55

      It could go the other way as well though. Right? It's, uh, the other way is now that there is a, a, a Democrat in office, that they could see that as a pass to, to pass further regulations and push this, close the economy, go into, uh, lockdown further.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:13

       Why would they do that though?

   11. LFLex Fridman13:14

       I ... L- listen, I've b- always thought it was a terrible idea. The, the long-term consequences on the economy are going to be potentially orders of magnitude worse on our, like, the fabric of our society. So, I don't know why they would do that. The, so the Michael Malice, so the devil on my shoulder.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:33

       Okay, Michael's the devil. (laughs)

   13. LFLex Fridman13:34

       (laughs) Wearing a white suit, uh, or the devil wears a suit and tie, right? Uh-

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:38

       Yeah.

   15. LFLex Fridman13:40

       (laughs) That's a badass ... I've been listening to that over, and over again.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:42

       How good is that guy?

   17. LFLex Fridman13:43

       That guy is amazing.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:43

       Colter Wall.

   19. LFLex Fridman13:44

       And your story, uh, sorry, this is a small tangent. Your story that he doesn't, he hasn't been on your podcast because, uh-

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:50

       He's working on a ranch.

   21. LFLex Fridman13:52

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:52

       Like as a fucking rancher.

   23. LFLex Fridman13:53

       This guy is legit.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:54

       Like, we reached out to them. It's like, "Well, he's working on the ranch right now."

   25. LFLex Fridman13:57

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:57

       Like, what is he doing on that ranch?

   27. LFLex Fridman13:59

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:59

       He's a fucking cowboy, like a legit cowboy.

   29. LFLex Fridman14:02

       Like, there's literally no more badass thing to do than turn down, uh, (laughs) Joe Rogan Experience, uh, appearance.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:10

       Massive promotion, he's like, "Nah, I'd rather just rope steers."
6. 15:28 – 17:34

   Testing and FDA bottlenecks: why cheap, frequent tests matter

   1. LFLex Fridman15:28

      Yeah. No, I agree with you. Uh, everything you said incentive wise, it makes sense. I was really confused why we haven't done, for example, mass scale testing of everybody, which seemed like, you know, the antigen tests, which can be under a dollar to manufacture, manufacture hundreds of millions of them, at home testing of everybody and do-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:48

      Is it under a dollar?

   3. LFLex Fridman15:50

      To manufacture, yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:51

      Really?

   5. LFLex Fridman15:51

      Now, yeah. So you can start April or May, uh, of last year, start mass manufacture. There's no reason we can't do that and everybody starts getting tested. At the individual level, you know, the accuracy is not perfect, but at the societal level, that's one way. If you get a negative test, you're de- uh, sorry. If you get a positive test, you definitely have COVID. And so based on that, trusting the individuals, not tracking them, but trusting the individuals when they get a positive test, that they will stay home. And through that process, we woulda been able to open up the economy in the summer.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:27

      Mm.

   7. LFLex Fridman16:27

      Like, the, uh, um, Michael, uh, Mina, I think, from Harvard is, uh ... People should go follow him on Twitter or wherever. He's been screaming about this. Like, "Why the hell is FDA getting in, in the way of this?" Uh, so the FDA doesn't like crappy at home tests. They, they want, like, expensive nice tests. But the problem with expensive nice tests, it's hard to manufacture them at mass scale. (laughs) So, there's, you know, uh, people should go read his stuff. He's an actual, he's an expert of this.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:58

      Do the-

   9. LFLex Fridman16:58

      But-

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:58

       ... crappy at home tests have a lot of false positives?

   11. LFLex Fridman17:02

       False ... No, they have f- false negatives. So meaning-

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:06

       Oh.

   13. LFLex Fridman17:06

       ... if you get a positive, for sure you have it.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:10

       Is that true? Because we've had guys that got false positives with the rapid antigen tests.

   15. LFLex Fridman17:16

       The rapid antigen tests?

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:17

       Yeah.

   17. LFLex Fridman17:18

       Uh, so I ... K. Everything coming out of my mouth now is kind of crappily, uh, uh-

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:25

       You need-

   19. LFLex Fridman17:25

       So you, you might be correct.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       ... you need whiskey.

   21. LFLex Fridman17:27

       I n-

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:27

       This is what you need.

   23. LFLex Fridman17:28

       I, I, I ... (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:29

       Some Whitmyre's Texas Single Barrel. Come on, son.

7. 17:34 – 21:05

   Austin pull and Silicon Valley push: tech migration, crime, and quality of life

   1. LFLex Fridman17:34

      All right, Joe. You wanna, you wanna drink some whiskey just to clear the mind? (cork popping)

   2. JRJoe Rogan17:39

      Like that sound? That's the sound of bad decision making about-

   3. LFLex Fridman17:42

      Yeah. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan17:42

      ... to come up. Um, ice or no ice?

   5. LFLex Fridman17:45

      Uh, no ice please. Neat.

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:46

      Oh, like a man. I love it. Fucking Russians. Savage people.

   7. LFLex Fridman17:50

      Well, definitely not vodka though 'cause I, I can drink whiskey in moderation, but vodka-

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:54

      Can't drink vodka in moderation?

   9. LFLex Fridman17:56

      Yeah. It's like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:56

       You just start going hard?

   11. LFLex Fridman17:57

       What is it, uh ...

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:58

       We got some of that.

   13. LFLex Fridman17:59

       (laughs) No, no, no, no, no.

   14. JRJoe Rogan18:00

       Cheers, sir.

   15. LFLex Fridman18:01

       Cheers. (glasses clinking)

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:03

       Good to see you man.

   17. LFLex Fridman18:04

       Good to see you.

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:04

       How long you in town for?

   19. LFLex Fridman18:06

       Uh, anywhere from one week to five years.

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:10

       (laughs)

   21. LFLex Fridman18:11

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:11

       You're so free.

   23. LFLex Fridman18:13

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:13

       I love how you live, man.

   25. LFLex Fridman18:14

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:14

       It's beautiful. And because of your podcast-

   27. LFLex Fridman18:16

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:17

       ... you, you can really do whatever you want whenever you wanna do it.It's kind of amazing.

   29. LFLex Fridman18:21

       It's the Texas way, but I s- (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:23

       It is. The Russian/Texas way.
8. 21:05 – 26:41

   Tech tangents: Android vs iPhone, Signal, and the trap of buying gear

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:05

      Come on. I heard ya ate at Terry Black's.

   2. LFLex Fridman21:07

      But you have to... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Terry Black's is awesome.

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:10

      (laughs)

   4. LFLex Fridman21:10

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:10

      Stopped you in your tracks, didn't it?

   6. LFLex Fridman21:12

      I quite jo- exactly, exactly like you said.

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:15

      (laughs)

   8. LFLex Fridman21:15

      People... First of all, it was amazing. And then, of course, there's people who are like, "Oh, no. What, that... Yes, Terry Black's is amazing, but you should try this other place." So on and so forth.

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:25

      There's all kinds of great barbecue here. They're right. Franklin's is aw- look at that. Whoo.

   10. LFLex Fridman21:30

       People are like, "That's too dry." Okay, I get it. I know, I know, I know.

   11. JRJoe Rogan21:33

       No, no, no, no, it is not too dry. That's a photograph, you fucks. Not only that, it's with an Android phone.

   12. LFLex Fridman21:38

       (laughs) How do you know it's an Android?

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:40

       'Cause you're an Android guy.

   14. LFLex Fridman21:41

       Yes. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan21:42

       You, you have committed to that platform. It's very admirable. You don't give a fuck about that green text bubble.

   16. LFLex Fridman21:48

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, try Signal.

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:50

       Oh, Signal's amazing.

   18. LFLex Fridman21:51

       You and I had an extensive conversation-

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:53

       Yeah.

   20. LFLex Fridman21:53

       ... on Signal.

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:53

       Yeah.

   22. LFLex Fridman21:53

       Like, one message back and forth. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:55

       Yeah. Well, we could c- keep going, but it seemed to be like we just text each other.

   24. LFLex Fridman21:59

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:59

       I don't mind green.

   26. LFLex Fridman22:00

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan22:00

       I, it's one of my favorite colors.

   28. LFLex Fridman22:02

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan22:02

       I don't, I don't mind the green bubble.

   30. LFLex Fridman22:03

       Yeah. (laughs)
9. 26:41 – 31:24

   Goggins’ 4x4x48: volunteering for suffering and training without injury

   1. LFLex Fridman26:41

      Okay. Can I just talk about that for a second? (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:44

      (laughs)

   3. LFLex Fridman26:44

      Okay. Okay. So this is why, this is... Yo- you've told me before not to read comments, but I do write comments on Instagram. An- and his, he's, he put a story out, I think, yesterday, uh, saying that he's doing the 48-mile challenge again, f- 4x4x48 where you run four miles every four hours. And like a, like a fucking idiot-

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:06

      (laughs)

   5. LFLex Fridman27:07

      ... I commented. I thought, like, nobody would know. I could just, like, I said, "I'm in."

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:13

      No.

   7. LFLex Fridman27:13

      I wrote, "I'm," I wrote, "I'm in," and I thought I would get, like, positive, like, and then people would be like, "Oh, cool," like, talk to me about it, and I could do it peacefully at home. Uh, so it's March 5th, I think is when he's doing it, which is nice. He announced it, like, down the line a little bit. Uh, (laughs) he, he calls me within seconds of me posting that.

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:34

      (laughs)

   9. LFLex Fridman27:34

      (laughs) He's, uh, he's like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:36

       "Lex, good to hear from you."

   11. LFLex Fridman27:37

       Yeah. "What's up brother?" (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:39

       "Stay hard."

   13. LFLex Fridman27:40

       (laughs) I'm in. There you are. Oh my God.

   14. JRJoe Rogan27:43

       Yeah.

   15. LFLex Fridman27:44

       Uh... And then, and then he calls and he's like, he's like-

   16. JRJoe Rogan27:48

       Let me, let me hear his video. Let me hear what he says. Start it from the beginning.

   17. NANarrator27:53

       All right. It's that time of year again, the second annual 4x4x48. For some of you who don't know what that is, basically you run four miles every four hours for 48 hours. Some of you out here don't like running, can't run, you have bad knees, bad hips, bad ankles, walk. Do whatever you can do, you know, in that period of time when you're supposed to be working out. So that being said, a lot of you out here did it last year. It was a huge success. Make sure that you have, you know, like logistics set up. There's gonna be times of night when you run at 4:00, you know, in the morning, midnight, different times, you know. The fucking boogeyman comes out at nighttime.

   18. JRJoe Rogan28:38

       (laughs)

   19. NANarrator28:38

       So make sure that you have, you know, safety parameters in place. Run with somebody. Do whatever the fuck you have to do to keep yourself safe, just like last year. All right. That said, um, this year I wanna give away some items. And I've been talking about it a lot more, but I have some, you know, new shorts in stock. So this year I'm doing tons of giveaways for those of you who go above and beyond, and what that means is, some people last year raised thousands of dollars-

   20. LFLex Fridman29:09

       Yeah. This is all for charity.

   21. NANarrator29:10

       ... doing this 4x4x48.

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:11

       Oh.

   23. NANarrator29:11

       Tons of people, got tons of people involved in the 4x4x48. Did, did... Several things they did outside the box thinking to raise awareness for their causes, their charities, raise awareness for fitness. Whatever it was, it was great to see that. Last year I had nothing to give away. I just saw these amazing stories. I was being tagged in amazing stories. Didn't have anything to give away. This year that's a different fucking story. I have a lot of things to give away.

   24. LFLex Fridman29:38

       This is, like, the nice version of David Goggins-

   25. NANarrator29:40

       So, we got some new shorts in stock.

   26. LFLex Fridman29:40

       ... the thoughtful version.

   27. JRJoe Rogan29:41

       I know, right? It's unusual.

   28. NANarrator29:41

       This right here is one of them. Think it's taking souls down the back.

   29. LFLex Fridman29:45

       Yeah.

   30. NANarrator29:46

       I also have this shirt right here I'll be giving away. Um, it's the new "Stay Hard" shirt.
10. 31:24 – 40:15

    Jiu-jitsu injury mechanics and the art of safe, high-level training

    1. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       How are your knees?

    2. LFLex Fridman31:25

       Good. So I've never had tr- trouble ... Well, you know, knock on wood, never had troubles with-

    3. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       Really?

    4. LFLex Fridman31:29

       ... my knees.

    5. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       All your jujitsu, no knee trouble?

    6. LFLex Fridman31:31

       All the ju- I've never been injured in jujitsu. All the-

    7. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       That's amazing.

    8. LFLex Fridman31:34

       Like, really hard training. It, I think it was because of the wrestling background, I've always approached everything in training with the following thought: like, "How can I train really hard, like twice a day? How can I put in a three-hour, four-hour sessions of training with killers without getting injured?" So, don't ... You know, make sure there's a strong frames, like just working on all the stabilizers-

    9. JRJoe Rogan31:57

       Mm.

    10. LFLex Fridman31:57

        ... making sure to not wanna ... The ego, it's like silencing the ego. Just s- you know, if somebody is being rough in a way or s- if somebody's much better than me in a way that puts me in compromising positions, not in terms of being submitted, but in terms of just like putting pressure on some body parts that's going to break me-

    11. JRJoe Rogan32:17

        Mm-hmm.

    12. LFLex Fridman32:17

        Like, I can tell, like, it'll lead to injuries-

    13. JRJoe Rogan32:19

        Mm-hmm.

    14. LFLex Fridman32:20

        ... I'll, like, I'll not have my ego and try to beat them. I'll p- I'll flow with it more. And just making sure I put in the miles versus, like, uh, the wins, the individual wins along the way.

    15. JRJoe Rogan32:33

        Mm.

    16. LFLex Fridman32:33

        And so maximizing that allowed me to, uh, just be lucky, honestly, because you can be just unlucky. And-

    17. JRJoe Rogan32:39

        Yeah. I d- one of my worst injuries was unlucky, one of my ACL snaps.

    18. LFLex Fridman32:43

        Just, you know.

    19. JRJoe Rogan32:44

        Was, uh, working out with a guy who's, like, really cool, easy to work out with, training. Uh, we were ... I was, uh, passing his guard. I was in half guard and, uh, my leg was sideways and he did a lockdown sideways.

    20. LFLex Fridman32:56

        Mm-hmm.

    21. JRJoe Rogan32:57

        So, you know lockdown normally extends you out this way.

    22. LFLex Fridman32:59

        Mm-hmm.

    23. JRJoe Rogan33:00

        But it went that way.

    24. LFLex Fridman33:01

        Right.

    25. JRJoe Rogan33:01

        So it was like, he, like, locked me out that way.

    26. LFLex Fridman33:05

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan33:05

        And it just popped. 'Cause I was trying ... I ... It was really, um ... Wasn't a wise position to be in. Right?

    28. LFLex Fridman33:13

        Right.

    29. JRJoe Rogan33:13

        Especially with the gi, because there's no friction. Or m- there's too much friction, rather.

    30. LFLex Fridman33:17

        Mm-hmm.
11. 40:15 – 48:40

    MMA and greatness: McGregor vs Poirier, Khabib’s mystique, and fighters as humans

    1. LFLex Fridman40:15

       Uh, what do you, by the way, think about the Conor fight? The ... This weekend.

    2. JRJoe Rogan40:19

       Uh, I'm very excited. Unfortunately, I'm gonna be ... I think I'll be getting off stage right around the time it starts.

    3. LFLex Fridman40:26

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan40:27

       Because we're doing these shows-

    5. LFLex Fridman40:29

       Chapelle, uh, Dave Chappelle versus Conor McGregor.

    6. JRJoe Rogan40:32

       Well, the problem is, uh, we picked a bunch of dates.

    7. LFLex Fridman40:35

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan40:36

       And D- Dave does some dates with, like, music, and he's like, "You know, which dates you wanna do?" So I pick these dates, and I didn't even recognize that I picked the 23rd-

    9. LFLex Fridman40:46

       Damn.

    10. JRJoe Rogan40:46

        ... which is the day of the fight. It's all right.

    11. LFLex Fridman40:48

        Who do you ... Who, who do you got?

    12. JRJoe Rogan40:50

        I do not know.

    13. LFLex Fridman40:51

        (laughs)

    14. JRJoe Rogan40:51

        I do not know.

    15. LFLex Fridman40:52

        Always. (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan40:52

        I mean, I do not know.

    17. LFLex Fridman40:54

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan40:54

        Um, I think that Dustin has gotten far better, and Dustin is, um, much more durable at 155 pounds.

    19. LFLex Fridman41:02

        Mm-hmm.

    20. JRJoe Rogan41:02

        You know. But that said, Michael Johnson KO'd him at 155 pounds.

    21. LFLex Fridman41:07

        Ooh.

    22. JRJoe Rogan41:07

        Um, Michael Johnson hits very hard, and he caught him with a perfect shot that could b- you know, legitimately knock out most 155 pounders. But he KO'd Justin Gaethje. He beat Max Holloway, which, uh, especially when you look at Max Holloway's-

    23. LFLex Fridman41:21

        That was crazy.

    24. JRJoe Rogan41:21

        ... performance this weekend.

    25. LFLex Fridman41:22

        Like, incredible performance last night, couldn't he?

    26. JRJoe Rogan41:23

        Maybe the b- best performance I've ever seen.

    27. LFLex Fridman41:25

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan41:25

        Against a guy who ... In Calvin Kattar's just a straight-up assassin.

    29. LFLex Fridman41:29

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan41:29

        Right? Um-
12. 48:40 – 1:00:22

    Midwest mindset, polarization, and loving America without idolizing leaders

    1. LFLex Fridman48:40

       And I'm glad you, um... Another guy who's shredded is, uh, Burroughs, uh, Jordan Burroughs. I'm, I'm glad you had him on here.

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:46

       Oh, he was amazing.

    3. LFLex Fridman48:47

       He's a special, special human.

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:48

       Well, uh, uh, when you are that kind of an athlete and also a wrestler, like, those guys, they don't get a lot of accolades. They don't get a lot of press. They don't get the attention of the media, of the, the love of the crowds. It's a, it's a different world. They do it for the love of wrestling and the love of competing in one of the most difficult physical pursuits known to man.

    5. LFLex Fridman49:14

       Yeah. Uh, that, that makes it ju- just like he was saying, it makes it more-I don't know, m- money almost gets in the way. I know it's a horrible thing to say, that, it- it- it's ... People should get paid for-

    6. JRJoe Rogan49:25

       I know what you're saying, though. Yeah.

    7. LFLex Fridman49:26

       ... putting their body on the line. But when you don't get paid, which is what makes Olympics special, I think, th- y- you know, you don't get, uh, especially in the early journey, you don't get paid at all or much. It's ... Makes it special. Makes it so pure about the sport. And wrestling represents that, that, uh, amazingly, uh, well. I talked to, um ... So Jordan Bowers is this, uh, badass new talent. I talked to Dan Gable. I don't know if you know who that is.

    8. JRJoe Rogan49:52

       Sure. Of course.

    9. LFLex Fridman49:53

       Yeah. He, uh, that was-

    10. JRJoe Rogan49:55

        They offered him up for the podcast, so I would love to have him on, but-

    11. LFLex Fridman49:57

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan49:58

        I want to do it in person. Did you do it remotely?

    13. LFLex Fridman50:00

        No, in person.

    14. JRJoe Rogan50:01

        Yeah.

    15. LFLex Fridman50:01

        I flew down to Iowa.

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:02

        Oh, wow.

    17. LFLex Fridman50:03

        It was... I stayed with him. So I thought-

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:04

        When- Is that up yet? Did you release that?

    19. LFLex Fridman50:05

        Uh, yeah, I just uploaded. Peo- people should check-

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:08

        Today?

    21. LFLex Fridman50:08

        Uh, no, no. Um, uh, like a month ago.

    22. JRJoe Rogan50:11

        Oh, okay.

    23. LFLex Fridman50:11

        People should ... I actually re-uploaded it, because, uh, I, I was so sad. I never, I never care about views or listens and so on, so it's good that we're mentioning it. Uh, please go there, check out Dan Gable. (laughs) 'Cause I was so sad that it only got n- not much views relative to others, and I was like, "This is one of the most special humans in the world."

    24. JRJoe Rogan50:31

        Yeah.

    25. LFLex Fridman50:32

        And-

    26. JRJoe Rogan50:32

        His story's crazy too. About how he became that dedicated and focused when his sister was killed when he was 15.

    27. LFLex Fridman50:38

        Yeah. Raped and killed. And it was just ... Uh, so the wrest- his wrestling brought the family together. And just, I mean, you couldn't write a better script (laughs) because, uh, he w- he went undefeated until his last match in college. And he lost his last match in college against a person he should've beat, because he took a lot of stuff, you know ... He got ... He let himself get distracted. And of course, a guy who's never lost, losing, that like, that does something to you. That he turned another ... He went to another level. And, and then he won the Olympic gold medal without letting up a single point, just domination.

    28. JRJoe Rogan51:19

        (laughs)

    29. LFLex Fridman51:20

        And j- and then, and then coaching-wise, he then went to Iowa and coached. I think he's the most winningest coach in NCAA history, or like up there. And just taught this whole culture of just domination, which is tough in this new ... I mean, he struggles with this now. Obviously, he has daughters and family, so he's like softened up a little bit. There's still a madman in there. Like, he has a shed, and he goes in the shed and j- like there's demons in there.

    30. JRJoe Rogan51:47

        (laughs)
13. 1:00:22 – 1:12:08

    History, tyranny, and narrative control: Stalin, Hitler, and Dan Carlin’s craft

    1. LFLex Fridman1:00:22

       Yeah, it's, uh, I mean, there's beautiful things about Russia too, like the, this, culturally speaking in, in terms of just, like, in the struggle of the w- I would say it came from the wars, the, the music, the art, the poetry, the writing, the science that came from the World War that impacted Russia way more than it did, uh, the United States, the World War II. I mean, tens of millions of people died. China, Russia, Europe obviously just they had to, uh, for a century struggle with the biggest existential questions of like good and evil, of, of losing most of your family to unjust slaughter or starvation in Ukraine in the 1930s. Like I mentioned before, my, my, my grandmother survived the, uh, w- something that people don't talk about. They say that Hitler is evil and so on. They don't often highlight-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       Stalin.

    3. LFLex Fridman1:01:17

       ... the evil of Stalin. There's not enough talk about just this, the fact that he imposed, uh, just-... things on the people without any consideration of the suffering that that causes, so millions of people dar- uh, die from starvation.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

       Starvation, cannibalism.

    5. LFLex Fridman1:01:35

       Cannibalism.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       People were eating their children.

    7. LFLex Fridman1:01:37

       Yeah, it's crazy. It's, uh-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

       Yeah, if you read the depictions of it, you, it ... I- I've read some stuff that I, I, I couldn't continue, I couldn't finish 'cause it's so horrific.

    9. LFLex Fridman1:01:47

       You know, um, you should have Dan Carlin back on the podcast, by the way.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

        I would love to.

    11. LFLex Fridman1:01:51

        But I've been s- and you, he, he's been, uh, he's like a ... I don't know. I don't know what's a good metaphor but he released an episode now, like, once every year and it's always like an exci- it's like Christmas or whatever, uh, as, as a Jew, I, I feel weird saying that.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:02:04

        What is he doing most of the time now?

    13. LFLex Fridman1:02:07

        Working on the podcast.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:09

        So he releases this one episode once a year?

    15. LFLex Fridman1:02:11

        Well, he doesn't ... So he released, I wanna say three or four episodes this year, so it's been a productive year.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:18

        In tw- you mean 2020, right? Not 2021, right?

    17. LFLex Fridman1:02:20

        2020, sorry, I apologize, 2020.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:21

        Isn't that crazy?

    19. LFLex Fridman1:02:22

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:22

        What we do is not what he does.

    21. LFLex Fridman1:02:25

        No.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:26

        It's really rude to call what we do a podcast-

    23. LFLex Fridman1:02:28

        Yeah. Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:28

        ... and call what he does a podcast.

    25. LFLex Fridman1:02:30

        Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:31

        (laughs)

    27. LFLex Fridman1:02:31

        But he has two, and I recommend people listen to it, he has two podcasts. One is Hardcore History and one is Common Sense.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:38

        Yeah.

    29. LFLex Fridman1:02:38

        He shut down Common Sense for a while because he felt-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:42

        Too polarized by the-
14. 1:12:08 – 1:20:01

    Epstein, intelligence claims, and how influence compromises communities

    1. LFLex Fridman1:12:08

       Jeffrey Epstein-style smoothness and charisma, that in the room he was able to convince people that he ultimately wants peace. And at the same time, there's this moment that I really... Is so dark. Um, it kind of haunts me. I'm not sure exactly-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:12:24

       But, you know, the Jeffrey Epstein thing is a weird comparison because Eric Weinstein says Jeffrey Epstein wasn't smooth at all.

    3. LFLex Fridman1:12:32

       Uh, I know that's what Eric says.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:12:34

       Eric is-

    5. LFLex Fridman1:12:35

       I love Eric very much.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:12:36

       ... far smarter than the average human being. Far smarter, to the point where he's not buying anybody's bullshit. And he met with Epstein, and he said right away, he's like, "Well, this is a construct." He's like, "He's an actor. This is a construct. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about."

    7. LFLex Fridman1:12:51

       (laughs) I-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:12:51

       He, he thought it was 100% bullshit.

    9. LFLex Fridman1:12:53

       I love Eric, but, uh... And he is indeed brilliant, uh, probably way smarter than me, but he's also flawed.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:13:01

        No.

    11. LFLex Fridman1:13:02

        (laughs) Like all humans are.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:13:04

        What?

    13. LFLex Fridman1:13:04

        And I d- I disagree with him on that one. I, I-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:13:07

        Well, listen, did you meet Jeffrey Epstein?

    15. LFLex Fridman1:13:09

        No, but I've met a lot of people who met him.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:13:12

        Well, he did.

    17. LFLex Fridman1:13:12

        I-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:13:12

        Who'd you meet that met him?

    19. LFLex Fridman1:13:13

        Uh, well, just the... MIT, so all the scientists, so all... Like, everybody met him. This is the dark thing.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:13:21

        Right.

    21. LFLex Fridman1:13:21

        All the scientists met him.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:13:22

        Let me help you out here.

    23. LFLex Fridman1:13:23

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:13:23

        Here's the difference. Here's one of the differences.

    25. LFLex Fridman1:13:26

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:13:26

        First of all, Eric has gotten laid.

    27. LFLex Fridman1:13:29

        ... yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:13:29

        It's happened before.

    29. LFLex Fridman1:13:31

        Yes.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:13:31

        He's- he probably got laid a lot when he was younger.

Episode duration: 3:11:46