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Joe Rogan Experience #1610 - Snowpacalypse with Tim Dillon

Tim Dillon is a standup comedian, actor, and host of the Tim Dillon Show.

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Jun 27, 20242h 46mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:002:03

    Snowpacalypse hits Texas: blackout reality and survival logistics

    1. JR

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. NA

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music)

    4. TD

      Wouldn't it be cool to have like, uh, Aerosmith right now?

    5. JR

      I'm back.

    6. TD

      Yeah. Great.

    7. JR

      (sings) I'm back in the saddle again.

    8. TD

      Great. The Snowpocalypse, Tim Dillon.

    9. JR

      (sniffs)

    10. TD

      Hey, holding up? Did I move you out here at a bad time, do you think?

    11. JR

      I mean, uh, we considered suing you.

    12. TD

      (laughs)

    13. NA

      (laughs)

    14. JR

      I was sitting there going, "Can I take legal action against him?" Like, I called a lawyer and apparently I cannot.

    15. TD

      Listen, I, I'll give you free meals-

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. TD

      ... every time we go out, forever.

    18. JR

      We were-

    19. TD

      How about that?

    20. JR

      I mean, I was on a bread line two days ago.

    21. TD

      (laughs)

    22. JR

      My opener flies into town, we're gonna fly out for shows, all the flights grounded, we can't go anywhere. I mean, we're waiting outside of a supermarket for an hour, and then we're eating fish sticks in the dark of my house with no power. And I'm like, "You know, Joe fucking Rogan, man, uh, this was a real fucking leap of faith." But it's looking better today.

    23. TD

      It'll be fine.

    24. JR

      It'll be fine.

    25. TD

      Listen, it was a once in... They're calling it a once in a 120-year storm, but I think what that means is like, ever recorded. Like, you go back to 1800 is what we're talking about.

    26. JR

      Right.

    27. TD

      Or 1900, rather.

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. TD

      Like when... What was the... What kind of fucking instruments did they... were they using?

    30. JR

      Yeah, what were they, what were they jotting down?

  2. 2:035:26

    Ted Cruz (and Austin’s mayor) flee to Mexico: optics vs actual responsibility

    1. TD

      Tell you what was open, the Houston Airport. My boy Ted Cruz is like... (laughs)

    2. JR

      Yeah, he was out.

    3. TD

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      And by the way, isn't it sad that like he couldn't get away with it? It's like, here's the thing about the Bush family. Say what you want about them, maybe whacked Kennedy, bygones, but I mean-

    5. TD

      (laughs)

    6. JR

      ... now our leaders can't even get caught taking a commercial flight to Cancun. Like, that's pretty sad.

    7. TD

      But here's the thing, like what can he do? What is the-

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. TD

      What is the reason for him staying? Is it-

    10. JR

      Well, I think it's just the optics of how it looks.

    11. TD

      Optics, right.

    12. JR

      Yeah, but of course. No, he doesn't have any of-

    13. TD

      Can he make it warm out?

    14. JR

      No, I don't think he has any power to do anything good.

    15. TD

      Maybe he should be there with blankets-

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. TD

      ... to put them over the pikes.

    18. JR

      Well, it's funny, it's like the people that hate him the most are the ones that are like, "He should be there." And it's like, doing what?

    19. TD

      Well, here's-

    20. JR

      He has...

    21. TD

      ... you know. Here's the thing though.

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. TD

      He was one of the vocal critics of Mayor Adler, who's a Democrat-

    24. JR

      Right.

    25. TD

      ... who went to Cancun as well. (laughs)

    26. JR

      Right. (laughs) What is it? Everybody goes to Cancun?

    27. TD

      I think he was in Cancun. Was he in Cancun or was he in, uh-

    28. NA

      Yeah, he did, yeah, he did a thing at the house or something like that, yeah.

    29. TD

      ... one of those. Yes. But it was in Cancun or was it Puerto Vallarta? Well, it was one of those nice places in Mexico.

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  3. 5:267:53

    Big Tech censorship and the creep of deplatforming

    1. JR

      Deplatforming people or privacy.

    2. TD

      Yes, it was...

    3. NA

      He says it like, "Here..." It's a video of him from this summer. He's like, "Who the hell are..." Let's see.

    4. TD

      Who was he cr- who was he critiquing though? Who was he criticizing?

    5. NA

      Probably like Google.

    6. TD

      Yes.

    7. NA

      And it says, "Ted Cruz on Google and big tech censorship."

    8. TD

      Yeah, there was a...

    9. NA

      "Who the hell are you to decide who can speak?"

    10. TD

      There was...

    11. NA

      Or who can't.

    12. TD

      He was catching them in some hypocrisies and some lies.

    13. NA

      Right.

    14. TD

      And it was like, it was very good the way he was doing it and well-phrased. Like you gotta, you gotta give a little if you're gonna shit on the guy. I was, I was...... that, that fucking tech stuff drives me crazy.

    15. JR

      Right.

    16. TD

      It drives me... And what drives me crazy is the people on the left that think it's not gonna come for them.

    17. JR

      Right.

    18. TD

      Like-

    19. JR

      Well, they're all moving here. All these tech guys are in Austin.

    20. TD

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      Like, a lot of them are moving here. And there are some of them that are more, uh, I don't know what you would call it, libertarian in their ideology, where they don't want to shut people down and they want people, uh, to speak. But there's just so much, I don't know, it, it just feels like you're... There's a tide coming in and the tide is gonna wash away even those people that are standing up and saying, "This isn't right. We shouldn't do this." I just feel like... 'Cause people are tired. Like, the public doesn't care and I get it. The public doesn't care. The public's like, "You know what? I don't care. Who care-" I, like-

    22. TD

      You don't think they care?

    23. JR

      I think some of them do, but I think it's one of those things that it doesn't affect that many people. And if it doesn't affect that many people, it's hard to necessarily get up in arms over it. Like with... When Gina Carano gets fired, people are like, "Okay." Like, it doesn't affect that many people. Most people work at jobs where they're not allowed to say anything.

    24. TD

      Mm-hmm.

    25. JR

      So they work for corporations, they go into an office, they can't say anything, right?

    26. TD

      And they kind of like it when people get in trouble.

    27. JR

      Yeah, they love when people get in trouble, especially when people outside of the system that are making money get in trouble.

    28. TD

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      So people aren't really a- as upset about it and they don't think it's gonna lead to where it's gonna lead to. That was-

    30. TD

      This whole thing with Alex Jones, it's like, it's clearly gonna lead... It's not gonna die with Alex, it's gonna go other places. Right. Once you're getting rid of the freedom of the First Amendment, right? The freedom of speech, which is, you know, as long as you're not doxxing someone or openly threatening someone-

  4. 7:5310:46

    Clubhouse culture and the ‘guardrails’ mindset in Silicon Valley

    1. JR

      Well, it's weird 'cause they also have billions of dollars. If you go on the Clubhouse app and you listen to these people talk, they are, they're... I know you don't, but they are billionaires or worth hundreds of millions of dollars and their concerns are always like, you, you go into the app and somebody's like, "We need more indigenous, uh, creators. We need more indigenous entrepreneurs or women of color entrepreneurs," or all these goals that are laudable goals, whatever. But they're... Then a white guy will come into the conversation and go, well, he goes, "I don't really... As a white guy, I want to apologize for even speaking."

    2. TD

      (laughs) No.

    3. JR

      I swear to God.

    4. TD

      Who's done this?

    5. JR

      This is a guy on Clubhouse goes-

    6. TD

      That's why I'm not on Clubhouse.

    7. JR

      As a white guy-

    8. TD

      I can't. I can't do this.

    9. JR

      ... he goes, "I wanna..." But you don't... You gotta go into my good rooms, like, "Should women be allowed to own Bitcoin?" That's a real debate.

    10. TD

      Did you make that room?

    11. JR

      Yeah. The rooms on Clubhouse I make are like, "Should women be allowed to own Bitcoin? Uh, I wanna be a cancer influencer."

    12. TD

      (laughs)

    13. JR

      Um, "How do you build a brand in prison? Should I buy a Bitcoin or pay for my son's surgery?" You gotta have fun. Ted, I, the one last night was Ted Cruz has a right to do cocaine with his family in Mexico. Uh, you gotta have fun with it. I troll and just have a little bit of fun. But on that app, you listen to these tech people, and one really big tech, uh, woman who's massive said, like, something that was chilling, she goes, "We gotta put guardrails up online." And as soon as she said, "We gotta put guardrails up," I felt chilled 'cause I'm like, I know what she means by that. And guardrails are just, like, here's where the offensive speech is and we're gonna put the guardrail there and then the guardrail's gonna move.

    14. TD

      Who said this?

    15. JR

      A very big, uh, person who owns a major app that just went public.

    16. TD

      Jesus.

    17. JR

      Who's worth bili- 1.5 billion now. And I'm sure she's a lovely, talented woman, but her belief was like, "Hey, we gotta put some guardrails up online," but when I heard it, I went, "This is a very, uh, ominous thing to say because-"

    18. TD

      Right. But, but hold on.

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. TD

      When, when someone says something like that, she's probably talking about this QAnon shit that led to the Capitol Hill riot.

    21. JR

      Perhaps. Or she's talking about somebody calling someone fat or somebody saying-

    22. TD

      Oh, really?

    23. JR

      ... someone's a moron or I don't know, but are, are you really... Is it gonna be easy to just draw a line around QAnon stuff? And then, then where's the legitimate discussions-

    24. TD

      Right.

    25. JR

      ... about human trafficking?

    26. TD

      Yeah, no. For sure.

    27. JR

      And political sh- Yeah, it's hard.

    28. TD

      It's real hard.

    29. JR

      So I think-

    30. TD

      Did anybody challenge her?

  5. 10:4619:22

    Dating apps, privacy battles, and users as ‘the product’

    1. TD

      Bumble's CEO... If you- Well, someone found it. ... want to behave- I'm just looking it up. ... poorly, you cannot do it here. But where is that? On Bumble?

    2. NA

      I, I think-

    3. TD

      But that's her app.

    4. JR

      That's who... So that's who said it, by the way.

    5. TD

      But only, but, but this is a female created-

    6. JR

      Now that young Jamie is-

    7. TD

      But, but hold on a second. This is a female created dating site.

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. TD

      I think she has the right on her dating site to say, "Look, I've created this, this atmosphere where I want people to be pleasant on this atmosphere."

    10. JR

      Sure.

    11. TD

      Because it's a female created dating site.

    12. JR

      Sure.

    13. TD

      I don't want guys s- sending dick pics-

    14. JR

      Sure.

    15. TD

      ... unless I ask for them.

    16. JR

      Right.

    17. TD

      You know, that kind of shit.

    18. JR

      Well, that's fine, but does, does, does anyone... I'm just... On her app it's one thing.

    19. TD

      Right.

    20. JR

      But no one who wants power and control goes, "I'm good with my part of the..."... yard. Most people go, "Yeah, I want, I think these standards should be enforced uniformly." That's my experience of, like, hearing a lot of these people talk. I think a lot of them are like, "Yeah, we should step in and curate a better world and create a better world," and they think they're doing the right thing. But there's a huge downside to it, which I don't know if they realize, because they just wanna, you know, they wanna get everyone's data, sell it, and make money. So, they don't want anything getting in the way of that.

    21. TD

      Yeah. That's, that's the real problem.

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. TD

      The real problem is, the consumers have become the product and-

    24. JR

      Right.

    25. TD

      ... they didn't know they were the product, and now the people that were selling them are making insane amounts of money. And, you know, one of the interesting things that's going on right now is this fight between Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook.

    26. JR

      Right.

    27. TD

      Tim Cook at Apple. Tim Cook is like, "Hey, you know, just selling ads is good enough. You shouldn't be selling people's data. You shouldn't be, uh-

    28. JR

      Right.

    29. TD

      ... infringing on people's privacy, and we're gonna put a stop to that." And so Facebook took out this, was it a full-page ad? Like what, what, they did, they did something where they published this piece where Mark Zuckerberg was essentially saying that you are going to punish small businesses, which is the weirdest... See, let's see what his argument against Tim Cook was, 'cause this was fairly recently.

    30. JR

      Zuckerberg came on-

  6. 19:2226:17

    Politics as spectacle: Austin identity, invasion fears, and Cuomo’s threats

    1. TD

      Well, they're moving here because this is a very tech-friendly area.

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. TD

      It's- it's a weird place because it's a blue spot in a red state. And, uh, it's- it's also a very artistic area.

    4. JR

      Right.

    5. TD

      It's also very nice.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. TD

      Like one of the reasons why I moved here is the... It's a lower population than LA, and people are just genuinely friendlier.

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. TD

      They're friendlier.

    10. JR

      Right.

    11. TD

      I- I've always loved it here. I've been coming here since n- I think I did my first gig here in '99.

    12. JR

      I walked into a get my hair done and a woman's like, "Are you from California? You bringing your liberal politics here." I'm like, "Do I look like I'm bringing liberal poli- I look like Rush Limbaugh." Like, do I look like I'm bringing my liberal politics here?

    13. TD

      Did she see your license plate? Is that what it was?

    14. JR

      I think so, yeah.

    15. TD

      (laughs)

    16. JR

      And she's like, "Where are you... You're..." Because I have a- a New York voice, so they're like-

    17. TD

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      ... "Oh, you're not- you're not from here."

    19. TD

      Right.

    20. JR

      And I'm like, "Yeah, I'm not bringing my liberal poli- I'm bringing, like, no politics."

    21. TD

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      I don't even... I guarantee whenever the elections are, I will miss them.

    23. TD

      (laughs)

    24. JR

      I won't know when they are and someone will call me in a week and go, "Did you vote?" And I'll go, "What?"

    25. TD

      (laughs)

    26. JR

      So that's... Whatever ally you want here, you don't get.

    27. TD

      Well, I- I have a friend of mine who, uh, is out here. He's an older gentleman who I've become friends with since I moved here, and, uh, he's a- a gun enthusiast and a kind of an interesting character, but- but a very smart guy.

    28. JR

      Right.

    29. TD

      And, uh, he just goes, "We're being invaded."

    30. JR

      Yeah, well, he's right.

  7. 26:1740:59

    NYC decline, de Blasio’s ‘culture will lead’ video, and name-change absurdity

    1. JR

      Well, this was also a guy that when New York was descending into a c- a crime infested hellscape, he said, "I'll... Uh, everybody come back, I'll cook for you."

    2. TD

      "I'll cook for you."

    3. JR

      "I'll cook for you. I'll make you sauce. You want i-..."

    4. TD

      "I'll make you a nice meatball."

    5. JR

      "I'll make you a potluck." There's people in New York right now beating each other with metal bats in the street-

    6. TD

      I saw that video.

    7. JR

      ... to death and de Blasio has people doing a dance routine, and Cuomo's telling people he'll make them Sunday sauce. It's a little-

    8. TD

      How about that de Blasio video?

    9. JR

      ... it's a little disturbing.

    10. TD

      I sent you that, right?

    11. JR

      Yeah, it's absurd.

    12. TD

      How about... How-

    13. JR

      It's crazy. It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.

    14. TD

      That was one of the rare times I post on Twitter.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. TD

      Rare times I post on Twitter.

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. TD

      I posted that and I said, "How the fuck is this a real thing?"

    19. JR

      How is this real?

    20. TD

      How is this a real thing?

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. TD

      It's literally a Cohen brother sketch.

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. TD

      It's a, it's a scene in The Big Lebowski.

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. TD

      It's absurdist beyond belief.

    27. JR

      Yeah. Yeah.

    28. TD

      Please play that.

    29. JR

      Yeah, he has a dance troop.

    30. TD

      We're gonna bring back... Yeah. ... culture, we're gonna bring back-

  8. 40:5947:01

    Search engines, information filtering, and COVID narratives (DuckDuckGo, lab leak, hydroxychloroquine)

    1. JR

      By the way, as soon as someone wants to do evil, they Google how.

    2. TD

      Yeah. (laughs)

    3. JR

      That's the first... (laughs) As soon as somebody wants it-

    4. TD

      Teaching you use DuckDuckGo.

    5. JR

      "How do I get away with murdering my wife?" On Google.

    6. TD

      Yeah, see, if you wanna do that, use DuckDuckGo. It's way better and they don't-

    7. JR

      What is DuckDuckGo?

    8. TD

      They don't save your history. It's a-

    9. JR

      Better search engine?

    10. TD

      That's what I use.

    11. JR

      Interesting.

    12. TD

      If, yeah, if I wanna l- look up anything sketchy. So here's the thing about-

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. TD

      ... DuckDuckGo too, it'll show you things that Google will hide from you.

    15. JR

      Wow.

    16. TD

      Like, there was a doctor who died immediately after taking the vaccine and he was in his 50s.

    17. JR

      Right.

    18. TD

      Took the vaccine, he had an adverse reaction. Which, listen, it happens.

    19. JR

      Sure.

    20. TD

      It is a part of medicine. It doesn't mean the vaccine's evil. It doesn't mean Bill Gates is trying to kill everyone. But if you do a-... search that on Google, it's really difficult to find.

    21. JR

      To find, yeah.

    22. TD

      So I put in doctor, in his 50s, dies, vaccine, could not find it for the life of me. I used the exact same sentence, put it in DuckDuckGo, it was on the first page.

    23. JR

      It's not... Yeah, you can get it.

    24. TD

      It was right away.

    25. JR

      Interesting.

    26. TD

      Because they're not curating your search results.

    27. JR

      Well, they also hid that- that Black West Indian doctor, that African doctor-

    28. TD

      That lady, yes.

    29. JR

      ... uh, God's Battle Axe & Weapon of War. They- they- (laughs) they got rid of her.

    30. TD

      What is that one? (laughs)

  9. 47:0149:58

    Texas etiquette wars: Whataburger ‘line cutting’ and neighborhood rat culture

    1. JR

      I was reported-

    2. TD

      I was on a serious road.

    3. JR

      I was reported for cutting line at a Whataburger. I've lived here for a week.

    4. TD

      Well, that's- that's a criminal offense.

    5. JR

      Here's the reality.

    6. TD

      This is Texas.

    7. JR

      I was... Whataburger was the only thing open. Is it-

    8. TD

      Why did you cut the line?

    9. JR

      I didn't.

    10. TD

      And why'd you cut the line with California plates?

    11. JR

      There's this new-

    12. TD

      In a fucking Range Rover?

    13. JR

      There's this new game they're playing.

    14. TD

      You were in a Range Rover?

    15. JR

      I was in a Range Rover with California plates.

    16. TD

      That's everything wrong with-

    17. JR

      I know. And I had that stupid Bape hoodie on, that dumb- that, uh, hypebeast hoodie. But I- I turn and there's a dude in an F1. Because here's the deal, there were two lines converging on the Whataburger. I was in one line, but there was the other- the other line had like three or four cars. I didn't know that it was one and one. I didn't know that it was one car and then one car. I didn't know that.... I'm on, I'm not-

    18. TD

      I don't know what you're saying.

    19. JR

      Well, meaning when you have one line's coming in this way, and I'm coming in that way. S- We're supposed to let one line from my... One car from my line, and then one carfrom the other line.

    20. TD

      What did you do?

    21. JR

      I... A- After my guy (laughs) went, I went as well, because I didn't know that that was a legitimate line, 'cause my line was much longer, and there was no reason that people couldn't just be on my line. They had started another shorter line and were weaving into-

    22. TD

      Are you justifying cutting the line?

    23. JR

      I'm saying-

    24. TD

      ... in your Range Rover with California plates?

    25. JR

      ... this is to get... He didn't support me with the Airbnb, so I should've washed the dishes.

    26. TD

      I'm confused. I'm confused. Oh, there you are. Is this your car? If so, l- what's this guy's name? Put his, put his name up there.

    27. JR

      It's Neighbors Uncensored.

    28. No, it's Neighbors Uncensored.

    29. TD

      Neighbors Uncensored. Is this your car?

    30. JR

      What kind of rats are we dealing with please?

  10. 49:581:00:44

    Airbnb cancellation and the Joshua Tree ‘desert lesbians’ feud

    1. JR

      If, if he f- fines me or whatever, I'll absolutely do it. But, it's like, I've had a real bad string of people... I was thrown off Airbnb. This is a fact. You did not support me on this.

    2. TD

      I did.

    3. JR

      You did not. You said, "Uh, he should've done the dishes."

    4. TD

      (laughs)

    5. JR

      This was your quote.

    6. TD

      Yeah, you should've done the dishes.

    7. JR

      Joe-

    8. TD

      But you shouldn't have been thrown off of Airbnb.

    9. JR

      Okay. Well that's-

    10. TD

      But you shouldn't leave dirty dishes.

    11. JR

      Joe, we pay a $450 cleaning fee.

    12. TD

      Oh.

    13. JR

      Airbnb. A 450... They do this scam now. They call it COVID cleaning, which is f- th- fake, because regular cleaning and COVID cleaning are the same thing. Cleaning is cleaning. You're not going in there with hazmat suits.

    14. TD

      Why did you leave the plates?

    15. JR

      What do you mean wh- I'm... What?

    16. TD

      Why didn't you just clean the plates?

    17. JR

      Because this is a vacation.

    18. TD

      Are you supposed to clean the plates?

    19. JR

      I don't know what the rules are, but I don't like the service if that's the case.

    20. TD

      (laughs)

    21. JR

      I won't-

    22. TD

      You feel like you should be able to leave dirty plates.

    23. JR

      Not if I... If I pay $450 for a cleaning fee, you should... And, and the thing is, there were two lesbian women, and I mentioned that.

    24. TD

      (gasps)

    25. JR

      And that's why I was kicked off Airbnb, because they thought-

    26. TD

      'Cause you mentioned their, their sexual orientation.

    27. JR

      'Cause I, I, I mentioned that they were lesbian and th- they had a horribly designed house, and they should've maybe asked a gay guy or someone to fix it. But th-

    28. TD

      Well, as a gay guy, what have you done? What would you have done, rather, to fix it?

    29. JR

      Well, all the furniture, well, you couldn't sit in. It was like art pieces.

    30. TD

      Ah.

  11. 1:00:441:05:37

    Alex Jones, alternative media legends, and Rush Limbaugh’s era of talk radio

    1. JR

      I gotta see him. I just got down here. I haven't seen him. I wanna go have dinner with him.

    2. TD

      I'm very happy that people are changing their opinion about him.

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. TD

      Slowly but surely. They're, they're understanding why I've been friends with this guy for 20 years.

    5. JR

      Yeah.

    6. TD

      He's a fucking hugely entertaining person. He's definitely-

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. TD

      ... made some mistakes, but I love that guy. Jamie and I had dinner with him and Lex Fridman the other day. We ha- we had a gr... How, how fun was that?

    9. NA

      That was great. I mean, I had a private podcast that no one else gets to-

    10. JR

      (laughs)

    11. NA

      ... listen to.

    12. TD

      It was...

    13. JR

      Yeah.

    14. TD

      We, we got a private room at Three Forks, which is a great steak place here.

    15. JR

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, I've been there.

    16. TD

      Fucking phenomenal steak place.

    17. JR

      It's great.

    18. TD

      We sat down. We had so much fun. We had so much fun.

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. TD

      People get so mad that I, I f- I'm friends with that guy, that I hang out with him.

    21. JR

      Yeah, people get really angry.

    22. TD

      I enjoy him.

    23. JR

      He's a very interesting character. If you look at the history of the type of s- stuff, like alternative media, or radio, or, uh, whatever, you, you are forced to confront him at some point in that history, right? 'Cause he's this seminal figure in that movement, and he's pissed everyone that's ever existed, and everyone has at one time hated him, Republicans, Democrats-

    24. TD

      Oh, yeah.

    25. JR

      ... everybody.

    26. TD

      Well, initially-

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. TD

      ... he was the guy that went after Republicans.

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. TD

      He got e- on, he became prominent because he was going after George W.-

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