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Joe Rogan Experience #1611 - Freddie Gibbs & Brian Moses

Brian Moses is a comedian, writer, producer, and co-creator of Roast Battle. Freddie Gibbs is a rapper, founder of the ESGN music label, and 2020 Grammy Award Nominee. Check out "Moses's Traveling Cocaine Circus" on February 23 at Vulcan Gas Co in Austin, TX.

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Jun 27, 20244h 13mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:02 – 1:30

    From cold open to drug-law origin myths: cocaine, racism, and the .45 caliber story

    1. NA

      (drum music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    2. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays)

    3. BM

      But you know why they got rid of it, right?

    4. JR

      Why?

    5. BM

      Black people.

    6. JR

      Really?

    7. BM

      Mm-hmm.

    8. JR

      That's why they got rid of it?

    9. BM

      So I w- yeah, this is, actually this is-

    10. JR

      Hol- hold these thoughts.

    11. BM

      Okay.

    12. JR

      Hold his thoughts. Tell me when. You good?

    13. NA

      I got it. I got it.

    14. JR

      Okay. We rolling?

    15. BM

      (laughs)

    16. JR

      Did he get that already?

    17. FG

      (laughs)

    18. JR

      Oh, Jamie already got that. All right. Let's- so s- finish your thought.

    19. BM

      Yeah, yeah. So, uh, the reason the .45 caliber bullet exists and the reason they got rid of co- or the reason they, uh, made cocaine illegal is because when Blacks were working the docks in the late 1800s, early 1900s, um, they had these things, uh ... There was a rape, obviously. That's what always happens, right?

    20. FG

      Yeah.

    21. BM

      Emmett Till, all of 'em, right? So, uh, a woman reported a rape. And, uh, a cop, he came up and then c- he was ... There was a Black dude on cocaine 'cause they would give the dock workers cocaine to keep 'em up all night.

    22. FG

      Yeah.

    23. BM

      That's when it was legal.

    24. JR

      Oh.

    25. BM

      And then there was a, uh, a coked-up Black dude, right? Real big dude, I guess. And, uh, a woman was saying, "He's chasing me," right? And he was just, he was ... I don't know what the fuck was going on. But the cop was shooting at him and there was no stopping power enough, they said, for the bullets. So they made a bigger bullet, uh, the .45 caliber bullet because what they were using was like, something li- like a little over a .22.

    26. JR

      Oh.

    27. FG

      Damn. And you know, this is some real shit because it was a crackhead back in the day. I shot that nigga nine times with a TEC-9 and he w- kept running down the alley.

    28. JR

      Hmm.

    29. BM

      Different. Different crack, though (laughs) . Different coke, but yeah.

    30. FG

      That was crack. They said if that was coke, this was crack.

  2. 1:30 – 2:11

    Crack vs powder: chemistry is similar, punishment is not

    1. JR

      But they said ... Coke and crack, according to Carl Hart, they're the same thing.

    2. FG

      They are the same thing.

    3. JR

      Dr. Carl Hart.

    4. FG

      One just-

    5. JR

      Really?

    6. FG

      One just has baking soda. That's all.

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. FG

      It's just that you're just freeing the base of the powder.

    9. BM

      Freebase, right? Right.

    10. FG

      That's why it's called freebase.

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. FG

      You know what I'm saying? So ...

    13. BM

      Which probably made it famous, yeah.

    14. FG

      But crack c- crack is different.

    15. BM

      Cocaine-crazed n- cro- cro- cocaine-crazed Negroes. That's what they called them.

    16. JR

      The difference is the, the, w- in sentencing.

    17. BM

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      That's the difference.

    19. BM

      Yes.

    20. JR

      The difference in sentencing is crazy.

    21. FG

      (laughs) Yeah, definitely.

    22. BM

      Powder to ... Yeah, to rock.

    23. JR

      It's crazy.

    24. FG

      Didn't Obama change that shit?

    25. JR

      Somebody must.

    26. BM

      I hope.

    27. JR

      But I, I don't believe it's the same anymore.

    28. FG

      I think Obama changed it. I think ... I wanna say he did, but I don't know. You know what I mean?

    29. JR

      Let's find out if the, if the same-

    30. BM

      Yeah.

  3. 2:11 – 3:38

    Marijuana prohibition as industrial warfare: Hearst, hemp, and branding fear

    1. JR

      When William Randolph Hearst was trying to make marijuana illegal-

    2. BM

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      ... they put out these stories saying that Black and Mexicans-

    4. BM

      Exactly.

    5. JR

      ... were raping white women, and they blamed it on this drug. They blamed it on marijuana when marijuana wasn't even called marijuana back then.

    6. BM

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      The marijuana was a-

    8. FG

      The fuck?

    9. JR

      ... wild T- Mexican tobacco.

    10. BM

      Right.

    11. JR

      So they made this new name. So when Congress was making marijuana illegal, they didn't even know they were making hemp illegal. The i- ... What the target was, was hemp the commodity.

    12. BM

      That's right.

    13. JR

      They were trying to make the paper illegal, and they were trying to make the, the textiles illegal.

    14. FG

      Hmm.

    15. JR

      Because William Randolph Hearst, not only did he run Hearst Newspapers, but he also had paper mills.

    16. FG

      Mm-hmm.

    17. JR

      And then on the popu- Popular, uh, Science Magazine, on the cover it said, "Hemp: The New Billion-Dollar Crop" 'cause they came up with a new way of processing it.

    18. FG

      Right.

    19. BM

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      A new machine called a decorticator. And so when they invented this decorticator-

    21. FG

      New cotton gin.

    22. JR

      Yeah, it's exactly the same kinda thing.

    23. FG

      Right.

    24. JR

      And then when they invented this thing, people were all gonna start growing hemp and they were ... Hemp is a superior paper. It's better for clothing. And William Randolph Hearst's like, "Not so fast."

    25. FG

      Really?

    26. BM

      I wish.

    27. JR

      So he made it all illegal so that he could just keep his paper mills and keep making 'em with wood and keep using all the things that he's already used before-

    28. FG

      Instead of hemp.

    29. JR

      ... and st- controlling the industry.

    30. BM

      That's amazing that they could literally just say that about Black people back then (laughs) .

  4. 3:38 – 4:22

    PCP, ketamine, and global drug markets: Australia vs Europe

    1. FG

      That's, that's what d- when ... You know PCP is the same thing as ketamine?

    2. BM

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      I didn't know that either.

    4. BM

      Carl Hart-

    5. FG

      Yeah, ketamine, Special K. When I went to Australia-

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. FG

      ... that's all the bitches was snorting. They ain't have no real cocaine.

    8. BM

      But it's a tranquilizer. That's why ... (laughs)

    9. FG

      (laughs) They was snorting all ketamine. I said, they said, "You want some coke?" I said, "That ain't real coke." I said, "We are all the way in Australia. We are thousands of miles from Colombia."

    10. BM

      Yeah.

    11. FG

      "You don't have real cocaine here. I don't believe you."

    12. BM

      (laughs)

    13. JR

      They don't get real cocaine in Australia?

    14. FG

      Nah, nah. They snorting Special K.

    15. JR

      Really?

    16. FG

      Yes, ketamine.

    17. BM

      What about the UK? 'Cause they, uh, uh ... Ev- every time I go out there, they always have coke. But I'm like, "There's no way."

    18. FG

      You know what? All the big Colombian drug dealers, they ain't fucking with America no more. They going to Europe. It's easier. Easier to import the drugs.

    19. BM

      Really?

    20. FG

      Easier to ... Yeah, it's way E- they making way more money and you getting less time. I-

    21. BM

      Oh.

  5. 4:22 – 6:16

    Punishment priorities: drug time vs rape time (and what ‘harm’ means)

    1. FG

      When I was locked up in Europe, you know what I'm saying, for that bullshit I was locked up for.

    2. BM

      Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's crazy.

    3. FG

      Like, it was guys in the cell that was there on drug offenses. And I'd be like, "Damn, how much you get caught for?" Uh, they're like, "Man, I got caught with like four keys." And I'm like, "Damn." I'm like, "Well, how much time you about to get?" He like, "18 months." I'm like, "What?" (laughs)

    4. BM

      The way it should be. That's the way it should be.

    5. FG

      (laughs) No. That's what I'm saying. But you get caught with that over here and you're doing 18-

    6. BM

      You're doing 30 years.

    7. FG

      ... you doing 18 years.

    8. BM

      Kalen Winslow Jr.'s getting-

    9. FG

      Wow.

    10. BM

      ... 14 years for rape.

    11. JR

      Who is?

    12. FG

      Who-

    13. BM

      Kalen Win- Kalen Winslow Jr. Kalen Winslow's son, right?

    14. FG

      Damn.

    15. BM

      He played, uh, he played for Miami.

    16. FG

      He rape somebody?

    17. BM

      He raped three women.

    18. FG

      He give me rapey vibes.

    19. BM

      Yeah, he, he, but there ... (laughs)

    20. FG

      (laughs)

    21. BM

      He rapes, uh, homeless women.

    22. JR

      Oh.

    23. FG

      Oh, god.

    24. BM

      Like in their 50s.

    25. JR

      Jesus Christ.

    26. FG

      Yeah, give him, uh ...

    27. BM

      Yeah.

    28. FG

      Give him 20 years.

    29. BM

      No, he got, he got 14.

    30. FG

      He should.

  6. 6:16 – 7:39

    Vodka detour and Austrian jail water: tasting, filters, and the Alps

    1. JR

      How is this ... How is this open?... this thing's crafty.

    2. BM

      Yeah. Yeah. And they just pull it up.

    3. JR

      So, this is your friend's vodka then?

    4. BM

      That's our... Yeah, Neff vodka. I mean, I'm not a big vodka guy.

    5. JR

      Look at this. This is very complicated.

    6. BM

      Yeah. No, just twist it off. Twist it off there.

    7. JR

      Then, so you can get it-

    8. BM

      Yeah. Yeah.

    9. FG

      Oh.

    10. JR

      ... turned into a, a little baby dick.

    11. BM

      I know. (laughs)

    12. FG

      (laughs)

    13. JR

      (laughs)

    14. FG

      That did turn into a little baby dick.

    15. JR

      It does.

    16. BM

      Yeah. So Neff vodka, they, uh, they tout themselves as the best-tasting vodka. And I was like, "Whatever, man. I'm not a vodka guy." You know, I remember being a kid drinking that charcoal filter pop-off and stuff.

    17. JR

      Well, one thing-

    18. BM

      (laughs)

    19. JR

      ... that I did read on YouTube, or read on YouTube. Listen how stupid I am. One thing I did watch on YouTube was that you could take shit vodka and run it through, like one of them Brita water filters multiple times, and apparently it'll taste great.

    20. FG

      Yeah, they said, they said the main goddamn ingredient in this shit is water.

    21. BM

      Yeah, that's Austrian water. Yeah. So, th- that's why it's really good.

    22. JR

      Oh, Austrian water. Oh.

    23. FG

      Austria got some good-ass water.

    24. BM

      (laughs)

    25. JR

      Thank you, sir.

    26. BM

      Cheers, sir.

    27. FG

      Cheers, brother.

    28. BM

      Cheers, big guys.

    29. FG

      Gentlemen.

    30. BM

      To Neffs.

  7. 7:39 – 10:54

    Freddie’s music love + Houston legends: Willie D, Ghetto Boys, and Bushwick Bill

    1. JR

      Freddy, you were my soundtrack this morning in the gym.

    2. FG

      Oh, wow.

    3. JR

      It was great.

    4. BM

      Which song?

    5. JR

      Everything. I've, I've listened to the essentials on iTunes.

    6. FG

      Whoo, turnt up.

    7. JR

      So I was at a half-

    8. FG

      Shout out Apple Music.

    9. BM

      (laughs)

    10. JR

      Hour and a half of Freddie Gibbs.

    11. FG

      (laughs)

    12. JR

      It was beautiful.

    13. BM

      Yeah. We were hanging out with, uh-

    14. FG

      Got me going.

    15. JR

      ... Willie D of the Ghetto Boys, and I was, I was telling you, I was like, "Man, you gotta listen to this album, this Alfredo shit."

    16. FG

      Willie D?

    17. BM

      Remember... Yeah, Willie D.

    18. FG

      You had Willie D bumping my shit?

    19. BM

      No, but he knows... But I mean, you can tell the, you can tell the story, Joe.

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. BM

      We were hanging out-

    22. JR

      I love Willie D.

    23. BM

      Yeah.

    24. FG

      Willie D is one of my... That's one of my heroes growing up.

    25. BM

      Word.

    26. FG

      Like, I've wanted to slap a bitch like Willie D-

    27. BM

      (laughs)

    28. FG

      ... as a kid. You know what I'm saying? Like, when he said, "I make big money, I drive big cars. Everybody know me." I said, "Hey-"

    29. BM

      It's like, "I'm a movie star."

    30. FG

      Come on, man.

  8. 10:54 – 17:02

    Health, diet, and California burnout: cancer, fires, insurance, and moving to Texas

    1. FG

      Cancer's crazy. My dad got cancer right now, man. He got stomach cancer.

    2. BM

      Really?

    3. FG

      Yeah, man. Yeah, man. That's why I was just saying we was talking about that diet and all of that stuff-

    4. BM

      Mm-hmm.

    5. FG

      ... and the vitamin and the steam room and all, and the sauna.

    6. JR

      I mean, that's-

    7. FG

      That, all that shit's essential.

    8. BM

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. BM

      We were talking about it, yeah-

    11. FG

      Yeah.

    12. BM

      ... because we're out in California and, uh, you, you know, you made the great escape. Congratulations.

    13. FG

      (sighs) Congrats.

    14. JR

      I got out in time. I saw it coming, kids.

    15. BM

      Bro.

    16. JR

      I saw it coming. It's-

    17. BM

      I'm getting nothing.

    18. FG

      It's gotten no better.

    19. JR

      No. I saw it in May, I started looking in May. I was like, "Uh-uh, this is not... They're not gonna fix this."

    20. BM

      Mm-mm.

    21. JR

      I'm like, "This is just gonna keep getting worse." And you can't let them... When, when you let people just decide what can open and what can't-

    22. FG

      Right.

    23. JR

      ... okay, Target can open, but the restaurant can't.

    24. FG

      Right. Yeah.

    25. JR

      You know?

    26. FG

      Even aside from that, man, just this like... I bought a house off Valley Circle and like every fucking year I'm fire scared.

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. FG

      I walked out my... I bought it, I bought my house and walked outside. Within the first 30 days of me having my shit, it was... The, the whole goddamn mountain was on fire.

    29. BM

      Yeah. (laughs)

    30. FG

      So I'm like, "Man, what the fuck?" I like living over here, I like living on a hill, but-

  9. 17:02 – 18:56

    Raising kids in LA vs Austin + Cam Newton heckler: entitlement, class, and clapbacks

    1. FG

      Badass, dumbass kids in LA, man. My kids go to them goddamn, uh, uh, private school, man. Them old rich-ass, stupid-ass kids, man.

    2. JR

      That's what I'm saying.

    3. FG

      Fuck them kids, man. Fuck those kids.

    4. NA

      You, you were saying that same shit, actually. I remember that. Yeah, you were like-

    5. JR

      Well, the problem is, they're all into, like, material possessions and fucking-

    6. FG

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      ... wear Prada T-shirts, and they're 10 years old. Like, what are we doing?

    8. FG

      Yeah, exactly. I be like, "Yo."

    9. JR

      What is this?

    10. NA

      I don't think they-

    11. FG

      Let me see a 10-year-old with a Prada shirt on. I'ma take that motherfucker off his ass.

    12. NA

      (laughs)

    13. FG

      Little punk-ass nigga. Like the little punk...

    14. NA

      (laughs)

    15. FG

      It's like the little punk-ass nigga that was talking shit to Cam Newton yesterday.

    16. NA

      Yeah.

    17. FG

      I would've beat his ass.

    18. NA

      Who was talking shit to Cam Newton?

    19. FG

      That kid at his camp.

    20. NA

      They do this shit every year to him at his camp.

    21. FG

      They said... He said...

    22. NA

      At this point, you might as well just start talking shit to him.

    23. FG

      He said, "You a free agent. You about to be poor." Cam was like, "I'm rich. I'm rich." I'm like, "Why you arguing with this little motherfucking 10-year-old?"

    24. NA

      He's arguing with a 10-year-old?

    25. FG

      Yeah, dog.

    26. NA

      Oh.

    27. FG

      And, and then Cam was like, "Where your daddy at, though?"

    28. NA

      (laughs)

    29. FG

      I'm like, "Why you gotta get racist, Cam?"

    30. JR

      Oh, he said that?

  10. 18:56 – 26:47

    Mike Tyson mythology: ‘smokers,’ fear aura, GOAT debates, and what makes champions

    1. JR

      Yo, I love Mike Tyson. Teddy Atlas, who was his trainer at the time, was on my, on my podcast, and he said they used to bring Mike Tyson to what they call smokers. What smokers are is these like, uh, unregulated amateur boxing matches.

    2. BM

      Right.

    3. JR

      And so they'd bring him to smokers and they would... Everyone would lie about like, how many fights your guy had, how old your guy was. So they go, "Teddy, how old is he?" He goes, "He's 13." And he's like, "Thir... This fucking guy's not 13."

    4. BM

      Right. (laughs)

    5. JR

      Mike Tyson's over there, 13, built like a tank.

    6. BM

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      And he goes, "He's fucking 13."

    8. FG

      190?

    9. JR

      He goes, he goes, he goes-

    10. BM

      Bro, 190.

    11. JR

      He goes, he goes, "Okay, he's 16." And so they'd put him in with 16-year-olds, he'd knock them senseless. He was 190-

    12. BM

      Knock them senseless.

    13. JR

      ... at 13.

    14. FG

      And they called them fight smokers because everybody was in there smoking cigarettes.

    15. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    16. FG

      And you... The, the, the cigarette smoke-

    17. BM

      Oh, yeah.

    18. FG

      ... was so thick.

    19. BM

      Yeah.

    20. FG

      Yeah. (laughs)

    21. JR

      Yeah. And up until recently, they still had those in LA. That's how a lot of Muay Thai fighters would get their, their, their, their experience.

    22. BM

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      They'd fight in smokers. They do them in a gym.

    24. BM

      Yeah. Yeah.

    25. JR

      They'd set up, bring folding chairs. They had them at a lot of gyms.

    26. BM

      Mm-hmm.

    27. JR

      Interesting. 13, 190. (laughs)

    28. BM

      There's nobody like that, bro. There's just nobody... He just...

    29. JR

      (laughs)

    30. BM

      He came from the right environment and the right time in history, and just had the right demeanor to-

  11. 26:47 – 35:21

    Training limits, MMA tactics, and Khabib’s discipline: why some fighters stay hungry

    1. JR

      (coughs) Like I said, they can only operate at that r- RPM for so long.

    2. BM

      Word.

    3. JR

      Nobody can maintain it. And, and just training camps. Training camps are, it's like, uh, y- like, if you're working out, you could work out all year long. But you can't train all year long. You're tr- you're ramping yourself up. It's like this delicate balance of peaking and y- y- your body can only do so much of it-

    4. BM

      Word. Yeah.

    5. JR

      ... and then it needs a break.

    6. FG

      Yeah, you can't overtrain. Yeah.

    7. JR

      You can't... Yeah, and a lot of guys do. A lot of guys do. They want it so bad, they overtrain.

    8. FG

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      They wanna be harder, they wanna be disciplined and they wind up brutalizing their body and they, they come into fights compromised. In the UFC it happens more often than even in boxing.

    10. BM

      I was gonna say, yeah. I mean, it just happened to Conor, really.

    11. JR

      Not really. No, no.

    12. BM

      You don't think so?

    13. JR

      (clears throat) No, no, no, no. He was getting leg kicked.

    14. BM

      Oh. Yeah, that was-

    15. FG

      He got, he got fucked up in that shit.

    16. JR

      Yeah, he was. He got fucked up.

    17. BM

      Yeah.

    18. FG

      He got fucked up.

    19. JR

      Dustin Poirier's a beast.

    20. FG

      Yeah.

    21. BM

      You, yeah, you've been saying this actually, huh?

    22. FG

      He is.

    23. BM

      I've been listening, I'm like, "Yeah, you've been saying this thing about Dustin for a second."

    24. FG

      I mean, shit, his... Just him being from fucking Louisiana, his attitude is just like-

    25. BM

      Is it?

    26. FG

      ... so fiery, dawg. Like, I, I love his energy. You know what I'm saying? So, uh...

    27. JR

      Yeah. He's, he's legit as fuck. And-

    28. FG

      He's definitely legit. And he whooped Con- he whooped Conor's ass, man.

    29. JR

      Yeah. (laughs)

    30. FG

      (laughs)

  12. 35:21 – 39:10

    Why ‘GOAT’ arguments fail across eras + comedy pioneers who got arrested for jokes

    1. JR

      You kind of can't do it.

    2. BM

      You can't because you, you can't talk about those cats before the segregation era, you know what I mean?

    3. FG

      Yeah.

    4. BM

      'Cause they're, they're dealing with that ... the ankle weights of segregation.

    5. FG

      Right.

    6. JR

      You know what it's almost like? It's trying to give the Academy Award of all movies to one movie.

    7. BM

      Exactly.

    8. JR

      How can you do that?

    9. FG

      Yeah.

    10. BM

      Right.

    11. JR

      There's so many great movies.

    12. BM

      Citizen Kane's pretty good though.

    13. JR

      It's a goddamn good movie-

    14. BM

      (laughs)

    15. FG

      (laughs)

    16. JR

      ... especially if you consider the time that it was made. By the way, that's about William Randolph Hearst-

    17. BM

      Exactly.

    18. JR

      ... the same guy who made weed illegal-

    19. FG

      Mm-hmm. That's crazy.

    20. JR

      ... working for Harry Anslinger in the 1930s.

    21. FG

      That's crazy.

    22. JR

      Yeah, it is crazy. But what ... You look at their eras, like Lenny Bruce, if you try to listen to a Lenny Bruce CD today, they're not that good in that-

    23. FG

      Right.

    24. JR

      Not, not that they're not that good, but it doesn't hold up. It's not gonna make you laugh. It's fascinating historically 'cause you got to think of the guy in the-

    25. BM

      They couldn't say that back then.

    26. JR

      They couldn't ... He was going to jail for us, okay? Basically. He planted the seed.

    27. BM

      He was Jesus, yeah, yeah. He was, he was, he was dying for the sins.

    28. JR

      He planted the seed. Harlan also-

    29. BM

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      ... went to jail for us. I, I think Pryor went to jail for that same kind of shit, didn't he? Didn't he get arrested?

  13. 39:10 – 45:13

    Cold War paranoia, Tower of Babel, and religion as a human blueprint (with kernels of truth)

    1. BM

      Like, I've been, I've been going to the '50s and '60s docs a lot lately. I don't know what it is about it, but I've just been into them, like, last two weeks. I've been texting you about some of this shit maybe, but, uh, it's ... That's a weird time in history.

    2. JR

      Crazy times.

    3. NA

      Yeah.

    4. BM

      Because the '50s is like, okay, America's a superpower. Like, they get out of the depression, they become a superpower after World War II because they make all this money, and then it's like all these straight white men ... Or you could possibly just say white Christian men are terrified because they're like, "Well, we have everything. We can call women bitches, we can slap them in public."

    5. NA

      (laughs)

    6. BM

      "We, we don't have to hire black people. We can call them niggers, all this kinda stuff. We can do anything. We, we can drink and smoke. We can, we can have side bitches all the time. I got ... I have a house in New York and I live in the, in the suburbs. What am I afraid of?" They were afraid of a fucking satellite called Sputnik.

    7. NA

      (laughs)

    8. BM

      (laughs)

    9. JR

      Right, they were afraid of the Russians.

    10. BM

      They were afraid of the R- ... It's like and they ... And the Russians, I mean, like, who ... Maybe they were gonna fuck with this, but it's like, come on, man.

    11. JR

      Well, they were afraid of us too.

    12. BM

      They were doing the same thing, yeah. You guys were scared of each other, but it's like none of y'all made a move.

    13. JR

      Our, our leaders figured out a way to put us against each other. And one of the best parts about it is that the formula is in the Bible.

    14. BM

      Word. (laughs) Crazy.

    15. JR

      The, the ... Right? The Tower of Bab-on?

    16. BM

      Yeah.

    17. NA

      Mm-hmm.

    18. JR

      Or Tower of Babel, rather.

    19. BM

      Babble.

    20. JR

      The Tower of Babel-

    21. NA

      Tower of Babel.

    22. JR

      ... was about having so many languages that you-

    23. BM

      Mm-hmm.

    24. JR

      ... couldn't communicate with each other, and that was how s- ... Was it ... Who ... Was it God that ensured that people could never unite? Who's, who's idea was the Tower of Babel? Was it God's?

    25. NA

      I love that.

    26. JR

      I think ... It's Old Testament, right?

    27. Genesis, yeah.

    28. Genesis.

    29. BM

      That's the first one?

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  14. 45:13 – 1:09:37

    Gold, density, and ‘elite minds’: from heavy watches to the Large Hadron Collider

    1. JR

      How much is a ba- a basketball-sized chunk of gold?

    2. BM

      Size of... Yeah.

    3. JR

      How much is-

    4. BM

      A basketball?

    5. I mean, honestly, yeah, because everything's going cryptocurrency anyway. If you just have this actual physical piece of value, yeah, you're the guy.

    6. JR

      That would be so wealthy though.

    7. BM

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    8. Like, how expensive would a basketball made out of solid gold be?

    9. Gold is what, like, $1800 an ounce?

    10. Converts to kilos.

    11. JR

      If you had to guess-

    12. BM

      Convert it to kilos.

    13. How much for a kilo of gold?

    14. JR

      How much do you think it would weigh? Like, a basketball-sized chunk of gold?

    15. BM

      I mean that's, that's weight, bro. Are you talking about-

    16. JR

      So much weight.

    17. BM

      Yeah.

    18. I would say about, like, 15, 20 pounds.

    19. JR

      Have you ever-

    20. BM

      A medicine ball? You think? Maybe.

    21. JR

      I don't have any gold watches, but if you ever pick up a gold watch-

    22. BM

      I got one.

    23. JR

      ... they're heavy as fuck.

    24. BM

      (laughs)

    25. JR

      You do.

    26. BM

      Yeah, shit heavy.

    27. JR

      It's heavy as fuck, right?

    28. BM

      Yeah, it's heavy.

    29. JR

      Can I feel that?

    30. BM

      Yeah.

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