Joe Rogan Experience #1620 - Nate Bargatze

1. 0:00 – 1:55

   Settling in Nashville & building an hour on the road

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NBNate Bargatze0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays)

   4. NBNate Bargatze0:14

      Hello. Hello.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Welcome to Austin, Texas.

   6. NBNate Bargatze0:17

      I know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      How you doing?

   8. NBNate Bargatze0:18

      I'm good.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      You're a Nashville resident now, huh?

   10. NBNate Bargatze0:20

       I am, yeah. I'm from there, so-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       When did you move back?

   12. NBNate Bargatze0:23

       Uh, it's been six years. I was, uh, I started in Chicago. I moved from Nashville to Chicago first, and then New York for about nine years, and then, uh, LA for a couple. And I started touring on the road, like, a lot more, and then I moved, uh, back to Nashville. It was the first, what I thought to myself, the first unselfish thing I did for my family- (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Mm-hmm.

   14. NBNate Bargatze0:45

       ... in comedy-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Yeah.

   16. NBNate Bargatze0:45

       ... was to get ... I was being gone so much. We have an eight-year-old. I mean, at the time we had a two-year-old, so, uh, and so I was, like, just leaving 'em, you know? And I was like, "Uh, let's just go." When I first moved back, I didn't tell anybody.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Really?

   18. NBNate Bargatze0:59

       I was afraid people would think I'd quit comedy.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       (laughs)

   20. NBNate Bargatze1:03

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Isn't that weird?

   22. NBNate Bargatze1:05

       I know. I was so, I was-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       Like you could only do comedy in a couple places.

   24. NBNate Bargatze1:08

       Yeah, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       Yeah.

   26. NBNate Bargatze1:09

       I was so scared. I had my buddy, Rory Scovel, co- like, he ... I moved, didn't tell him, and he came to Nashville and I was like, "Hey, I'll pick you up at the airport. I, I'm, like, at my parent's house." And then I picked him up and drove to my home and I was like, "I've been gone for six months." 'Cause I realized we, w- we weren't seeing anybody, you know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       Yeah. Yeah, the, if you're on the road a lot it, it almost doesn't matter where you live as long as you have a workout room.

   28. NBNate Bargatze1:35

       Yes.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       And you, uh, you, Zanies? Is that your spot?

   30. NBNate Bargatze1:37

       I use Zanies.
2. 1:55 – 3:15

   New material strategy: opening with fresh jokes & managing audience expectations

   1. NBNate Bargatze1:55

      Like I'm doing it right now. And so, like, having to build it where y- ... I would always ... I open with new and I like to see how far I can get, and then, so I can have some kinda gauge.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:05

      So you open with new?

   3. NBNate Bargatze2:07

      Yeah, 'cause you're the most excited about it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:08

      Right, it's fresh.

   5. NBNate Bargatze2:09

      And it's fresh, and, like, and usually your audiences will give you the, the most grace at the top.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:16

      Mm-hmm.

   7. NBNate Bargatze2:16

      So you can kinda be like, "Ah, let me just ... I'm excited about them. I'm the most excited about these jokes. I'm gonna get a little grace from 'em 'cause they're excited that you're coming out." And then so I do that, and then, and then I can get a real timing. 'Cause, you know, one time, uh, I mixed in old and new after a special, and I remember a guy afterwards, like, being like, "Oh, he did, like, all old stuff." And I was like, "No, I did half new." Because it's mixed in, they don't know.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:41

      Right.

   9. NBNate Bargatze2:41

      And so that way, if I do, if I open with it, I mean, I'll even, t- like, after a special if I got, like, 40 new and I have to close with, from the 20 from the special, I'll tell the crowd. I was like, "All right, that's all the new jokes I got."

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:52

       (laughs)

   11. NBNate Bargatze2:52

       And then they feel like, "Oh." Then afterwards they're like-

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       Right.

   13. NBNate Bargatze2:54

       ... "Well, I got so many new jokes."

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:57

       (laughs) Yeah.

   15. NBNate Bargatze2:57

       And they feel great about it. (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:59

       That's an interesting, um, change of thought process between, like, the old guard and, like, the, the newer comics that are doing specials on a regular basis. Like, the olden days, guys would keep an act forever.

   17. NBNate Bargatze3:12

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       They'd keep an act for 10, 15, 20 years.

3. 3:15 – 5:16

   Nate’s first Comedy Store moment—thanks to Joe (and the awkward intro)

   1. NBNate Bargatze3:15

      I mean, it was, uh, so I, when I started I moved to, uh ... Actually, I have a story with you-

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:20

      Oh, yeah?

   3. NBNate Bargatze3:20

      ... about first starting.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:22

      Oh.

   5. NBNate Bargatze3:22

      You were responsible for basically the first time I ever went on stage. Uh, I mean, almost in a comedy. I think Zanies Chicago might've been the first actual club I went to. It was either that or The Comedy Store. So I was friends with, uh, a buddy of mine, Josh Baker. He was in the band Prom Kings. Do you remember a band? I think-

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:39

      Sure, yeah. Yeah.

   7. NBNate Bargatze3:40

      And so we came out to LA to stay, hang out with him, and he, uh, and so they knew you. And so this is, I mean, I think it's 2003 or '04, and I'd, I'd been doing comedy maybe a year. And so we come out and then we, you invite us to, to show at The Comedy Store. So we come watch you, we sit in the front row. I remember all this stuff that's like a nightmare as a comic-

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:01

      Wow.

   9. NBNate Bargatze4:01

      ... now when you think back. Then I didn't care.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:03

       A- had you been thinking about doing it already?

   11. NBNate Bargatze4:05

       I already started.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       Oh, you did. Okay, yeah.

   13. NBNate Bargatze4:06

       I moved to Chicago, so I was in, I was in Chicago with, like, Hannibal and Pete Holmes and TJ Miller and Kumail. Like, that was kind of the group that was in Chicago. So, I'm, we went from Chicago to LA to go just visit. And so we hung out with them, we go to your show. You introduced them at one of their shows 'cause y- I guess you were good friends with these people or with the, with the band, or you liked this band. And so you introduced them, and I remember I talked to you afterwards. Like, e- we were, like, at this show and I'm, like, talking about comedy. I'm trying not to be ... I'm, I'm, I'm a new comic, so I don't even really know what to ask. You were very, very nice. And then, uh, we go watch you, then you said you were gonna go up at The Comedy Store, and I was like ... It was when you had to sign up for the open mic the week later, so you sign up for the Monday to go up the next week. And I was like, "Well," I was like, "I'm not gonna be here." And, uh, you go, "Oh, I'll call." And then you got me on sta- that you called and said, "Hey, he's just in town doing this." I'm gonna do that my year coming.

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:01

       Look at this.

   15. NBNate Bargatze5:01

       And so-

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:01

       It worked out.

   17. NBNate Bargatze5:02

       It worked out-

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:03

       (laughs)

   19. NBNate Bargatze5:03

       ... dude. They brought me up, they go, uh, "This next comic's, uh, one of Joe Rogan's best friends."

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:08

       (laughs)

   21. NBNate Bargatze5:09

       (laughs) And then they were, I mean, the other comics were just furious and I'm like, "I don't," I was like, "We met him last night. He's a very nice guy." (laughs)

4. 5:16 – 9:45

   Early encouragement, road-gig lessons, and the ‘zen’ mindset for grinding

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:16

      (laughs) You know, that's an- a funny thing, man. The, those little, like, nudges and, like, uh, little pieces of good, like, uh, like, criticism or good, you know, uh, uh, uh, praise from a comic when you're starting out, like, that can go so far.

   2. NBNate Bargatze5:33

      So far.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:34

      So for m- I remember to this day, like, uh, Lenny Clarke, I'd, I'd done stand-up ... I'd done it for, like, a year, and I'd gotten paid one time before. This was the second time I ever got paid. And I opened up for Lenny Clarke in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. This was after Lenny-

   4. NBNate Bargatze5:49

      I think I've done this show.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:50

      Really?

   6. NBNate Bargatze5:50

      This gig, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:51

      Is it Jay's? Jay's in Pittsfield?

   8. NBNate Bargatze5:53

      Was it in a hotel?

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:54

      Um, I don't think so.

   10. NBNate Bargatze5:55

       I've done a Pittsfield mask.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:57

       Uh, it was, uh, like, a nightclub.

   12. NBNate Bargatze5:59

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:59

       And it was, it was, like, one of the best road gigs. Like, everybody get ex- ... It was a three-hour drive from Boston, but it was one of those road gigs where everybody would get excited. And this was after Lenny had been on HBO. He was on the Rodney Dangerfield young comedian special. Eh, the Rodney, whatever-

   14. NBNate Bargatze6:14

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       ... Rodney called it. And so-... see- just being around him was crazy. And then opening for him was even more crazy. And then after I got off stage, he was like, "Kid, you're really funny," like with that crazy Boston accent. And man, that powered me through, like, years. For three years-

   16. NBNate Bargatze6:30

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:30

       ... I was g- I was like, "Oh, man, I'm doing this."

   18. NBNate Bargatze6:33

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:33

       Like, I'm, I'm never quitting now.

   20. NBNate Bargatze6:35

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:35

       Like, Lenny Clarke said I'm funny? Fuck.

   22. NBNate Bargatze6:37

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:37

       I'm, I'm good.

   24. NBNate Bargatze6:37

       It's the, it's the, (clears throat) it's gigantic.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:40

       Yeah.

   26. NBNate Bargatze6:40

       Like, that was you doing that at that time, A, I d- I knew The Comedy Store, but it's not like I even really n- And then it was like going to New York and then being like, I've already done The Comedy Store, at le- even it was the open mic. It was just, I saw the world, and I got to see the world. And then talking to you at that, uh, the band, you were just talking about going up and like you gotta go up, like, you know, stuff that you would say to comics, but-

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:03

       Right.

   28. NBNate Bargatze7:04

       ... it was like stuff that I didn't know at that time, and you realize, you know, that, like that d- that's enormous. Yeah, that's enormous. I did that Pittsfield, Mass gig, uh, I th- 'cause I was in New York. I opened up for Tony V.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:18

       Oh, I love Tony V.

   30. NBNate Bargatze7:19

       Uh, yeah. And they... I was the host. Got paid 500 bucks, it was crazy. Like, I was like, "This is cra-" Hey, I've never been paid 500 bucks for a gig.
5. 9:45 – 12:24

   How comedians write: essays, gold-panning, and onstage discoveries

   1. NBNate Bargatze9:45

      Are you a word-for-word...

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:47

      Not necessarily, but sometimes. Sometimes I write something and it works word-for-word. Most the time, I'm not though. Most the time what I do is I write essays. Like, I'll, I'll have a subject that I'm working on. So I'll have this long, long-form idea. Like, I'll, you know, whatever the subject. Coffee, whatever. Pick a subject, right? So as I'm writing, I just start writing all this shit about coffee. And then out of it, somewhere, something, I'll go, "Aha! I got something." And I'll extract that-

   3. NBNate Bargatze10:14

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:14

      ... and I'll put it on a separate piece of paper.

   5. NBNate Bargatze10:16

      Okay.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:17

      Or a separate, uh, file.

   7. NBNate Bargatze10:18

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:18

      And I'll say this is, you know... Th- there's something in there.

   9. NBNate Bargatze10:20

      There's something there.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:21

       Yeah, and then sometimes there is and sometimes there's not. And I have fucking I don't know how many these files that never went anywhere.

   11. NBNate Bargatze10:29

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:30

       I'll go back to them and look. I just check, like panning for gold again. "What do you got in here? Anything? Nothing?"

   13. NBNate Bargatze10:34

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:34

       "Nothing? Fuck."

   15. NBNate Bargatze10:35

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:35

       And then I'll just... E- every now and then. But sometimes bits just come to you on stage too.

   17. NBNate Bargatze10:41

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:41

       And you gotta be open to that. Like, sometimes you'll be at dinner and someone'll say something. You'll have some fucking hilarious retort to that, and you're like, "Holy shit, that could be a bit." You know? Like, my friends do that all the time. Like, they'll say something hilarious and I'm like, "Dude, you gotta write that down."

   19. NBNate Bargatze10:54

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:54

       "That, there's something in that."

   21. NBNate Bargatze10:55

       Oh, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:55

       Like, you never know. You never know.

   23. NBNate Bargatze10:57

       You never know.

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:57

       And then that can become a bit.

   25. NBNate Bargatze10:59

       It's, uh... I had... My, on my last special I have a joke, uh, where I was... I went golfing and a guy saw me with no shirt on. And, uh, he, he, he just said, "Olivia." He thought I was his... He was looking for his, uh, elderly wife and saw me with no shirt on.

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:14

       (laughs) (claps hands)

   27. NBNate Bargatze11:15

       And, (laughs) and from a distance he thought-

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:17

       (laughs)

   29. NBNate Bargatze11:17

       ... he thought we had the same build.

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:18

       Oh, my gosh.
6. 12:24 – 16:40

   Pandemic comedy: drive-ins, masks, and timing without laughter

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:24

      'Cause you, you do a special and then you're a beginner again 'cause you have all this stuff you have to work out. And it's really hard, like, during the pandemic. There's only been a few guys that I know that have... Like, Bert Kreischer has s- been the most gangster about it. He's toured regularly from the jump. He started doing those drive-in movie shows.

   2. NBNate Bargatze12:41

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:41

      So, like, he kind of... I'm p- I'm pretty sure it was Bert's idea to do these drive-in shows.

   4. NBNate Bargatze12:47

      (laughs) Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:47

      I think he started it.

   6. NBNate Bargatze12:48

      I did it. I did 'em too. I did, like, 20 of 'em. And yeah, he was... I mean, he would kill 'em.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:54

      Yeah.

   8. NBNate Bargatze12:54

      Like, I mean, he's kind of built for that, like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:55

      Oh, yeah.

   10. NBNate Bargatze12:56

       ... in a way.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:56

       He's big.

   12. NBNate Bargatze12:56

       Like, he was, like, perfect.

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:57

       It's... He's a big act, like he turns-

   14. NBNate Bargatze12:59

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:59

       ... like big energy, big performing.

   16. NBNate Bargatze13:00

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:00

       Takes his shirt off, everybody honks their horn, you know?

   18. NBNate Bargatze13:03

       Oh, dude.

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:04

       (laughs)

   20. NBNate Bargatze13:04

       I had someone... We'd go to Butler, PA at a, a... It's pretty rough when you see a Ford, uh, F-150's lights hit you in the face 'cause they leave early. (laughs) Like, that's the hard part, like-

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:13

       (laughs)

   22. NBNate Bargatze13:13

       ... when you're on stage, dude, and this, this truck-

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:16

       Oh.

   24. NBNate Bargatze13:16

       ... these lights just hit you and y- And I couldn't figure how to get out.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:19

       Oh, no.

   26. NBNate Bargatze13:19

       So he's just driving o- And you're like, "Just leave, man."

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:22

       (laughs)

   28. NBNate Bargatze13:22

       You're like, "Just someo-..." You're like, "Please someone help him get out." Like, it's so rough.

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:26

       That's hilarious. That's, that's the most inconspicuous or non-inconspicuous-

   30. NBNate Bargatze13:30

       Yeah, dude.
7. 16:40 – 30:09

   Mask politics, per-capita confusion, and distrust in shifting guidelines

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:40

      Well, people that have already had COVID, they're so fucking... They're just... They, they don't care at all, like-

   2. NBNate Bargatze16:45

      Oh, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:46

      ... the- they're just free people.

   4. NBNate Bargatze16:47

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:47

      They're like people that have gotten out of jail and can never go back.

   6. NBNate Bargatze16:49

      Yeah. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:50

      Just robbing cars.

   8. NBNate Bargatze16:51

      (laughs) Yeah, doesn't matter.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:53

      'Cause they... That's how they behave. That's how Jamie is. All these... They, they're-

   10. NBNate Bargatze16:56

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:56

       ... they're flagrant. They go out to clubs, they, th- uh, you know. Hinchcliffe's the same way. Yeah, they get this, uh, this attitude about it, like, "I'm free."

   12. NBNate Bargatze17:04

       Yeah. Well, it's a lot of... A lot of people have a lot of power right now. I was, like, talking a little bit about it in, uh, my new act, not to do my act, but it was like... But the idea that, like, everybody gets to tell someone-

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:15

       Yeah.

   14. NBNate Bargatze17:16

       ... to pull your mask up. I can go tell anybody I want. So, like, everybody has power.

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:20

       Yes.

   16. NBNate Bargatze17:21

       Just a guy on the street can go, "Your mask is a little down."

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:24

       Yeah.

   18. NBNate Bargatze17:25

       And you're like, "That guy's got power over you."

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       Cover your nose.

   20. NBNate Bargatze17:27

       Cover your no-... And you're like, "I don't even know that," you know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:29

       Yeah, you have to kind of respond and listen to him or you're a dick.

   22. NBNate Bargatze17:33

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:34

       Yeah.

   24. NBNate Bargatze17:34

       It's a lot of power.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:35

       I saw some guy was fucking with people. He made a mask that looked like he wasn't wearing a mask. It looked-

   26. NBNate Bargatze17:42

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:42

       ... like the mask is under his chin. So the mask is, like, a mask of his face and then this part looks like one of them operating masks, but it's under the chin.

   28. NBNate Bargatze17:51

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:51

       And some lady was yelling at him at a store.He said, "I'm wearing a mask." She goes, "No, you're not wearing it the right way." And like, she was looking right at him, and just kinda like not tr- trying not to make eye contact, so not clearly recognizing that it's a fake. It's good.

   30. NBNate Bargatze18:06

       Yeah.
8. 30:09 – 36:36

   Patrice O’Neal, Kurt Metzger stories, and why comedy ‘sounds mean’ without context

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      But he was, but m- uh, maybe even more importantly, he was a cornerstone of not giving a fuck.

   2. NBNate Bargatze30:15

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      You know what I mean? Like, you had to have a guy like that, that was an elite standup comic. It was like-

   4. NBNate Bargatze30:20

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      ... "Wha, wha, wha, wha, wha, wha, wha, wha, what the fuck are you talking about?"

   6. NBNate Bargatze30:23

      (laughs) Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:23

      And you, you needed a guy like that-

   8. NBNate Bargatze30:25

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:25

      ... to have a great point, like really well-thought-out point that was hilarious that showed you why you shouldn't care. Or why something was stupid.

   10. NBNate Bargatze30:33

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:34

       Like, I remember, um, there was, uh, some controversy about, uh, Opie and Anthony, and he went on some show. And some, one woman was saying that certain jokes could never be funny. And, you know, and he, and, and he went and said, like, a joke that was on that subject that was funny.

   12. NBNate Bargatze30:52

       Yeah. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       And, uh, and then, and he was like, "Look, it all..." And the... But this is a point that he had that's like a really good point that I stick with to this day is like, it all comes from the same place, whether the joke is funny or the joke is not, whether it's offensive or whether it's hilarious and non-offensive. It's coming from the same place. You're just trying to be funny.

   14. NBNate Bargatze31:14

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:14

       And when you're a comic, you understand that. Because like, you'll, you'll say something that some people might find offensive, but the only reason why you're saying it is not because you're trying to be mean. You're saying it 'cause you think there's something funny in there. Like you're trying to find the funny. And sometimes like you'll slip and it doesn't, doesn't work at all.

   16. NBNate Bargatze31:32

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:32

       And sometimes-

   18. NBNate Bargatze31:32

       Agree- agreeable is not funny.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       Right. Yeah.

   20. NBNate Bargatze31:35

       Yeah. And-

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:35

       Like the whole point of it is that I can't agree with you, except-

   22. NBNate Bargatze31:37

       Exactly. ... comedy's all built from... Sometimes if someone, like, they'd be like, "Oh, you're being mean to him." You're like, "Well, I don't..." That's what... Comedy's mean.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:44

       (laughs) Sometimes, yeah.

   24. NBNate Bargatze31:45

       It's mean. I, I, I told a j- a joke where I said I, uh, did something to my dad, but I came out and I did a show. These people didn't expect a comedy. So they didn't know I was a comedian and I started telling my act. They don't know what I'm doing, so it just sounds like I'm doing a mean speech.

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       (laughs)

   26. NBNate Bargatze32:00

       'Cause that's what comedy is if you have no, if there's no context to it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:03

       Right. (laughs)

   28. NBNate Bargatze32:03

       You'd be like, "This guy's the worst." (laughs) And they're like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:06

       Right.

   30. NBNate Bargatze32:06

       ... and you're like, "Oh." But if I, if I just told them-
9. 36:36 – 40:03

   YouTube rabbit holes: flat earth, ‘space is fake,’ and why conspiracy videos persuade

   1. JRJoe Rogan36:36

      #Spacesisfake. You need to Google that.

   2. NBNate Bargatze36:38

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan36:38

      Google spaces fake. There's a bunch of people that think that space is fake and that we are on a flat plane.

   4. NBNate Bargatze36:44

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan36:44

      Like we're on some sort of a flat plane and that the stars are lights.

   6. NBNate Bargatze36:49

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan36:49

      And that this is all, this conspiracy-

   8. NBNate Bargatze36:50

      Like a Truman Show?

   9. JRJoe Rogan36:52

      Yes.

   10. NBNate Bargatze36:52

       Okay.

   11. JRJoe Rogan36:53

       That it's a conspiracy to keep us from understanding that God has created us and that we're, we're special. We're not one of an infinite number of planets in the universe. No. No, we are, we are God's creation and this is, this is the heavenly petri dish or whatever the fuck it is.

   12. NBNate Bargatze37:10

       I mean if I start going down that road, I don't know what cap it is, so I'll probably be like, I'll be in it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan37:14

       (laughs)

   14. NBNate Bargatze37:14

       (laughs) Like I'll just be like, (laughs) like just in this group.

   15. JRJoe Rogan37:18

       It's wild, man, because the thing about these YouTube videos is if somebody puts together a YouTube video, what they can do is talk very eloquently and articulately and say shit that's bat shit crazy-

   16. NBNate Bargatze37:29

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan37:29

       ... that, that doesn't make any sense at all to a scientist. But if they say it and no one interrupts them and goes, "Stop! That's not how it works. Stop! That's not true. Stop! This is the real statistics. Stop! This is how we know that's not true and this is how they studied it, and this is all the scientists that worked on this for 50 fucking years."

   18. NBNate Bargatze37:45

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan37:45

       And then you're making a YouTube video saying that these were all, you know, Nazi propagandists that were put here by the Rockefellers to, you know-

   20. NBNate Bargatze37:51

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan37:51

       ... to ruin children's education.

   22. NBNate Bargatze37:53

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan37:53

       But th-

   24. NBNate Bargatze37:53

       (laughs) Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan37:54

       You could, you, you could say that-

   26. NBNate Bargatze37:55

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan37:55

       ... in a video and if I watch, I'm like, "Fuck, man."

   28. NBNate Bargatze37:57

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan37:58

       "You know what I learned today? I learned some crazy shit about space. It's not even real."

   30. NBNate Bargatze38:02

       Yeah.
10. 40:03 – 52:18

    Bigfoot deep dive: Missing 411, Pacific Northwest forests, and ‘Samurai sounds’

    1. JRJoe Rogan40:03

       I watched this, uh, documentary the other day, um, it was ca- ... I think it was, it's called, um, Missing Persons 411 Hunters or something like that. And what it, it's about, it's like a really screwy documentary. But the, the concept of the documentary is that there's been a bunch of people that just disappeared in the national forest. Is that it? Missing 411: The Hunted. Yeah.

    2. NBNate Bargatze40:29

       Oh.

    3. JRJoe Rogan40:29

       So a national forest, like, there's people that have disappeared with no trace. And uh, not a few of them, but really what it is is just the vastness of the forest. I think people underestimate like how vast forests are.

    4. NBNate Bargatze40:44

       It's a lot.

    5. JRJoe Rogan40:45

       It's a lot. You could-

    6. NBNate Bargatze40:46

       There's a-

    7. JRJoe Rogan40:46

       You could-

    8. NBNate Bargatze40:46

       I've been to Oregon, Mount Hood.

    9. JRJoe Rogan40:48

       Oh, my gosh.

    10. NBNate Bargatze40:49

        I told the cab driver, I go, "You guys got a lot of trees here." That's how much I was overwhelmed by the trees.

    11. JRJoe Rogan40:53

        Yeah.

    12. NBNate Bargatze40:54

        Just on the ride there, it was uncomfortable. I was like, "This is a lot of trees." He's like, "All right."

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:58

        Well, the thing about the Pacific Northwest is it's essentially a rainforest, like w- Mount Rainier, all those areas.

    14. NBNate Bargatze41:05

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan41:05

        So the amount of water and nutrients in the soil is absurd. So the, the trees are like, they're like Q-tips in a box of Q-tips. Like you can't believe how dense they are. So if you saw a bear moving between those trees, you can convince yourself it was a Sasquatch.

    16. NBNate Bargatze41:21

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan41:21

        Especially if you saw a bear standing up on two feet, which they do all the time.

    18. NBNate Bargatze41:24

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan41:24

        Bears walk on two feet all the time. There's tons of video of them doing it. So if you saw that in between trees from 100 yards away at dusk when it started getting dark and you're like, "Shit!"

    20. NBNate Bargatze41:36

        That's great.

    21. JRJoe Rogan41:36

        And they make weird noises too, like bears, especially when they're standing up, 'cause a lot of times when they're standing up, they're trying to threaten other bears. So they're, they're like moving towards them and making themselves bigger by standing up. And they'll make this noise like ... Which sounds like a gorilla, right?

    22. NBNate Bargatze41:53

        Yeah. Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan41:53

        But there's tons of video of b- ... I've seen it personally with my eyes in the woods. I've seen bears fight and I've seen bears from 30 yards away stand up and go at each other like that.

    24. NBNate Bargatze42:05

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan42:05

        I've seen it and I've seen them make those noises. They're threatening each other. But if you're in the woods and you see that and it's dark out and maybe you've never seen a bear before and, and, you know, maybe you're just fucking out on a hike and you see that, you're like, "Oh, my God. I saw a Bigfoot." And you will dedicate your whole life to like finding Bigfoot and finding proof.... and the, the floor there in the forest is so thick with leaves and pine needles, that when you step on it, it doesn't even leave a footprint.

    26. NBNate Bargatze42:32

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan42:32

        It's just like a soft er- like a d- like a composting pile. Like, everything is just sort of deteriorating in these like thick layers of pine needles and leaves and sticks and branches. And you're not gonna find footprints. You're not gonna find anything.

    28. NBNate Bargatze42:49

        Did, uh ... You know, uh, Les Stroud?

    29. JRJoe Rogan42:53

        Yeah.

    30. NBNate Bargatze42:53

        Uh, he, so he did that show about-
11. 52:18 – 1:08:15

    UFOs and spacetime tech: Fravor’s Tic Tac, Bob Lazar, and military vs aliens

    1. JRJoe Rogan52:18

       Well, here's something that came out, uh, today, Jamie. I'm gonna send you this, uh, 'cause, uh, Sagar Enjeti from, uh, Rising on the Hill and I have been going back and forth with this and I, I found this today and sent it to him. It's, um... I'll send it to you right now, Jamie. Um, it says, "Paradigm-shifting UFO tech that alters spacetime is operable, US Navy Chief Tech Officer." So it's some story that I didn't bother looking into because I wa- I saw it when I was on my way out the door and I was like, "What in the fuck is this?" 'Cause there's been all these sightings of these things that move in some weird way. Paradigm-shifting UFO tech, they're... So, there's these things that been... That move in this weird way that don't show any propulsion system and... Oh, due to censorship. Please join us on Telegram. I'm gonna say, "Documents obtained by The Drive show the revolutionary technology that has capability to alter spacetime may actually be operable according to the Naval Aviation Enterprise Chief Technology Officer, Dr. James..." How do you say that name? Shehe, What do you think?

    2. NANarrator53:31

       Why is it operable in quotes? What is that?

    3. JRJoe Rogan53:34

       I don't know. Good question. "Reflect on wha- uh, why is technology that has the potential to change the entire human experience for the better always used for the defense purposes and military applications? What are the bettements... What about the betterment of humanity?" Yeah. I don't know. Um, but it's Christopher Mellon who's that guy who keeps coming up with all this, uh, UFO tech stuff. Can you scroll back up, please?

    4. NANarrator53:59

       If someone's just, like, writing... I was reading through Twitter, it's, like, a s- story. It's not really, like, an article.

    5. JRJoe Rogan54:05

       Right. Um, "Twitter feed of Christopher Mellon, the former Deputy Assistant Defense Secretary for Intelligence from '97 to 2002. Doing so, I came across an interesting post from The Drive regarding documents they received via the Freedoma- Freedom of Information Act regarding a spacetime modification weapon developed by the US Navy, which apparently has already gone through experimental testing. This, in turn, led t- me..."... to evidence suggesting that other revolutionary type of technology that could no doubt be used to change the world for the better, blah, blah, blah, was already operable. Yeah, I don't know. But thas- this is what, uh ... If you pay attention to the UFO world, do you pay attention to that shit at all?

    6. NBNate Bargatze54:42

       Uh, not, like actively.

    7. JRJoe Rogan54:44

       There's a guy named Bob Lazar. And he's one of the-

    8. NBNate Bargatze54:46

       I do know that from ... 'Cause you talked to him. Yeah. Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan54:49

       Yeah. It was one of the weirdest conversations I've ever had.

    10. NBNate Bargatze54:51

        (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan54:51

        'Cause you're like, "I mean, are you crazy? Are you full of shit or is this real?"

    12. NBNate Bargatze54:54

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan54:54

        'Cause if it is real-

    14. NBNate Bargatze54:55

        It's wild.

    15. JRJoe Rogan54:56

        ... this, this thing is a, uh, special effect created ... A guy who was a special effect artist. Do you remember his name, Jamie, who made this thing for us? This gentleman. He's got a ... Um, designs, designs by Perry. Designs by Perry at Instagram. And he created this thing. And this is, like, a scale model of what Bob Lazar supposedly worked on. He was hired by the United States military to work at Area S4, which is part of the Area 51, like s- Area 51-

    16. NBNate Bargatze55:36

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan55:36

        ... Site S4, Site 4, was this place where he allegedly worked to back engineer these spaceships. And the way these things moved around was exactly how this Christopher Mellon guy, or this article rather that quoted him, is describing. That they used some sort of gravity space-time bending technology. So they didn't use a propulsion system like a rocket shoots flame out the back. They bent time in front of them and just would shoot instantaneously to wherever the fuck they wanted to go.

    18. NBNate Bargatze56:08

        So you'd be, like, instantly be able to go.

    19. JRJoe Rogan56:10

        Instantly. What's fucked is that there was an instance off of the, uh, coast of San Diego in 2004, where, uh, a navy pilot, uh, by the name of Commander David Fravor, who I've also had on the show, experienced this thing that they called the Tic Tac UFO. They tracked it with radar, they tracked it with, um, their, the camera systems on the, on the, on the pl- on their plane. And they even have video footage of this thing. It went from 80,000 feet above sea level to one in a second.

    20. NBNate Bargatze56:44

        Wow.

    21. JRJoe Rogan56:45

        That's the amount of time that it takes radar to do the blip, blip.

    22. NBNate Bargatze56:47

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan56:48

        Blip, blip. So in that time, it traveled 80,000 feet. They have no idea how the fuck it did that. It shows no propulsion, heat signature. They took video footage of this thing and it went from there, it took off, where they couldn't even follow it with their eye, it just v- disappeared, to the predetermined destination where they were supposed to coordinate later. So it's like it's reading the tracking systems or reading where they were going. And the people that worked on the aircraft carrier were telling the, the fighter pilot, like, "We've been seeing these things over, you know ... We see them, like, every couple weeks and we have no idea what the fuck's going on."

    24. NBNate Bargatze57:23

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan57:23

        And they, they just say, "Well, there it is, you know."

    26. NBNate Bargatze57:26

        (laughs)

    27. JRJoe Rogan57:26

        "What, what are we gonna do about that?"

    28. NBNate Bargatze57:27

        Yeah. Yeah, but I like to picture the, like, an alien in that Tic Tac. He's like, "Whoa. Slow it down, d- You're kind of crazy right now."

    29. JRJoe Rogan57:33

        (laughs)

    30. NBNate Bargatze57:33

        Like he's just, he's having a bad day in there. 'Cause he's gotta be having just a day, whoever's in there. Some kind of day.

Episode duration: 3:08:18