Joe Rogan Experience #1622 - Marcus Luttrell

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music) Alright. Marcus, what's up? How are you?

   2. MLMarcus Luttrell0:16

      Great.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Thanks for coming, man.

   4. MLMarcus Luttrell0:19

      One year to the date.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Yeah?

   6. MLMarcus Luttrell0:21

      I think we were supposed to do this last year right when the quarantine hit.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      Right.

   8. MLMarcus Luttrell0:23

      It was kind of go- 'cause it was April 1st that I, I called. It was new-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Yeah.

   10. MLMarcus Luttrell0:28

       I remember 'cause Melanie was yelling at me. She's like, "If you call Joe and tell him we're not gonna be making out there, we're not gonna be able to make it out there." And I was like... I was putting it off, putting it off. I was like, "Bro, I'll, I'll get out there." And then they did the lockdown. So, almost to the day.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       It was spicy a year ago. No one knew what was happening.

   12. MLMarcus Luttrell0:43

       It's crazy, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       It was a little weird.

   14. MLMarcus Luttrell0:44

       It was.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Now, it's like, eh, nobody's worried anymore.

   16. MLMarcus Luttrell0:49

       I, uh, well-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Except California people.

   18. MLMarcus Luttrell0:50

       We learn fast.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Yeah.

   20. MLMarcus Luttrell0:51

       Our people.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       (laughs)

   22. MLMarcus Luttrell0:52

       They pick stuff up quick. I mean, we suffer together, then there'll always be those that are trying to figure out, uh, ways to, to get us back to where we're supposed to be, and that just took some time.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Yeah. Well, it seems like Texas did a much better job of relaxing once the pandemic hit, where people just... You know, for some folks it's very dangerous, but it same- it seemed like Texas did a much better job of just going like, "Wait a minute. Why is everybody freaking out over this?"

   24. MLMarcus Luttrell1:17

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       Like, "We, we can open things up."

   26. MLMarcus Luttrell1:20

       Big place too.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       Yeah.

   28. MLMarcus Luttrell1:22

       I think that has a lot to do with it because in the outlying towns and... There's a lot of things that got shut down when there's some things aren't. Like money never got shut down, 'cause that, everything that... People still had to go out and they, they talk about that herd, uh, immunity.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       Mm-hmm.

   30. MLMarcus Luttrell1:35

       'Cause with the families, they bunch up with them, you get sick, lock down, get the antibodies. But the more spread out... And some of the towns, they didn't even get it.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   So the, the reason…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

   2. MLMarcus Luttrell15:00

      So the, the reason our muscle's on the outside of our fat is 'cause we take pain on the outside. Like if you see a woman and... R- reverse us. Their muscle's on the inside of their fat. If a woman's had nine babies, she's a UFC champion.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      (laughs)

   4. MLMarcus Luttrell15:12

      I mean, she could take a beat down, right?

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      Right, the amount of punishment.

   6. MLMarcus Luttrell15:15

      Bro!

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      Right.

   8. MLMarcus Luttrell15:15

      I mean, I watched my wife give birth to our kids and I was like, "Honey, you're the toughest thing I've ever seen."

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:19

      (laughs)

   10. MLMarcus Luttrell15:20

       I... You know back in the day when they split, you know, man and woman stand there for the first time and God was like, "Which one of y'all wanna have to go through this? I'm gonna show you what it's like." The dude was like, "I'll be outside working in the garden, man. I'll take care of everything." (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:30

       Exactly.

   12. MLMarcus Luttrell15:31

       There ain't no way I'm doing that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       Yeah. If a baby came through your dick-

   14. MLMarcus Luttrell15:34

       Can you believe that?

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:34

       ... and baby dick explode and they had to sew it back up every time, there'd be four people on the planet.

   16. MLMarcus Luttrell15:38

       Bro, after that, a, a bunch of surgeries, you, they were-

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       Yeah.

   18. MLMarcus Luttrell15:40

       I had to take Vicodin and man, it, that was, stuff would stop you. You'll feel like you're packing some-

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       Oh, yeah.

   20. MLMarcus Luttrell15:45

       ... a Volkswagen out your backside. And just going through that-

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Yeah.

   22. MLMarcus Luttrell15:48

       ... I was crying.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       Yeah, the Vicodin, the, the, the, oh, the... all that stuff, the painkillers and the constipation, man. That's a weird one, right?

   24. MLMarcus Luttrell15:56

       It's like a, a, a joke to make sure you don't stay on it that long, I think. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:59

       (laughs)

   26. MLMarcus Luttrell16:00

       It teaches a-

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       That joke doesn't work.

   28. MLMarcus Luttrell16:01

       It teaches you a lesson. Like, yeah, it's like a couple lessons.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Teach you a lesson-

   30. MLMarcus Luttrell16:04

       Mm-hmm.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   The most dangerous thing…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      comrades, and- and we unite each other. At our worst, we're- we're divisive and we're looking to d- diminish people and dismiss people. At our best, we're looking to build people up and we're looking to help people. And these- these lessons are, they're- they're so wide. It's so- it's so hard to gather up all the information to make a- a- a- a good assessment of what it means to be a person. But one of the things...... one of the lessons, one of, one of, one of the, the most important pieces of information, what it means to be a person is the people that have gone through the worst, and the worst is war.

   2. MLMarcus Luttrell30:39

      The most dangerous thing down here is an undisciplined human mind.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:41

      Yes.

   4. MLMarcus Luttrell30:42

      Period.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:43

      Yes.

   6. MLMarcus Luttrell30:44

      And the only way you can know true happiness is if you know true pain. And we, we do cycle through life. If, if, there, I mean, that's why the history books are there. It shows every one of those perpetual cycles. I think there's four of them. And in order for someone who had to go through something so hard to obtain something so great to enjoy it, then you'd wanna pass that down. Well, that, that next gen will never understand it. They just don't. And then that one cycle feeds the other, and so as, as we transfer through time, look at the atrocities we've done to each other. Yeah, we are family. You go back far enough, there weren't that many of us, and just kinda branched out and we populated this place. You ever run across anybody where you just automatically like them? Like-

   7. JRJoe Rogan31:21

      Yeah.

   8. MLMarcus Luttrell31:21

      ... "Hey, man, we're bud." 'Cause you know you're probably kin. Like, we're family.

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:24

      Yeah.

   10. MLMarcus Luttrell31:24

       And then there's people that, that are opposite of your magnet. (laughs) Like, you can tell. And when they come in swinging something, it all depends on where they're from, what they're going through. And as we go through our life and we go through those hard times, it's incumbent upon us to look back into our hard times to understand what somebody at a certain age is going through. Age is rank. Can't get ahead of it. Can't get below it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:44

       Mm-hmm.

   12. MLMarcus Luttrell31:44

       You can study something just like in school, if you're a freshman, study some senior stuff, but you're still gonna have to go through the class. Like with the millennials, they have the iPhone. Like, they can touch a picture on that screen, it'll show up to the door. That sounds made up, right? It just does. They have way too much information and not enough life experience.

   13. JRJoe Rogan32:01

       Mm-hmm.

   14. MLMarcus Luttrell32:02

       And that's kind of a, a good thing and a bad thing 'cause life will teach that. Some people get consumed by certain things and go down-

   15. JRJoe Rogan32:09

       Yeah.

   16. MLMarcus Luttrell32:09

       ... certain rabbit holes and can't get out of it. It's always important to remember... We have a saying in the family, "Don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff."

   17. JRJoe Rogan32:15

       (laughs)

   18. MLMarcus Luttrell32:15

       Like, man, you just... You know, you can get wrapped up some stuff that'll consume you. And if you're always wrapped up about it, that means it's not supposed to... You're not supposed to be (laughs) getting all worked up about it. It's designed to keep you like in a game. It's just to hold you in that one thing-

   19. JRJoe Rogan32:28

       Yeah.

   20. MLMarcus Luttrell32:29

       ... while everyone else keeps moving.

   21. JRJoe Rogan32:30

       You gotta figure it out.

   22. MLMarcus Luttrell32:31

       Yeah. It's like a game of life. Imagine when you come in here, you come in here dying. The minute you walk, you know, the minute you're delivered on your back, butt naked. You're dying. So you actually learn how to live while you're dying down here. And in that are all the emotions that you're training. So if you... Before you came down here, imagine you wrote your story out. Would it all be good times? No, of course not. Man, you want tri- challenges and everything in between. The only way you can... Like I said, you can appreciate your hard times is when you've had the good ones.

   23. JRJoe Rogan32:58

       The only way.

   24. MLMarcus Luttrell32:59

       That's it. We don't have bad ones. There's just nothing you've been trained for.

   25. JRJoe Rogan33:02

       Right. Yeah. That's, uh, my, my feeling about LA. The weather's too good.

   26. MLMarcus Luttrell33:08

       It is. It's so good. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan33:09

       Like, you won the weather lottery.

   28. MLMarcus Luttrell33:10

       Yeah. Man.

   29. JRJoe Rogan33:10

       You don't understand. I grew up in Boston and it's cold as fuck-

   30. MLMarcus Luttrell33:13

       Oh.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      you're gonna become them, why would you need them e- to exist? But you think, you think you want to be them because they're successful. You see someone who's doing really well, you're like, "I want... I wish I was that guy." But then as time goes on, you realize, no, no, I'm, I am me.

   2. MLMarcus Luttrell45:13

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      And I just need to be my version of me, where some young guy coming up looks at me and says, "I wish I was that guy."

   4. MLMarcus Luttrell45:19

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:19

      And then he's gonna realize it, "No, I don't wanna be him. I wanna be me." And you can learn lessons from those people that are successful, learn lessons from those people that have gone through the fire, learn lessons from the people that have made mistakes and have, you know, and, and have learned from those mistakes. And th- this is, this is how we progress. We don't learn all our lessons from our own life experiences. We learn a lot of them from watching other people fuck up, and we learn a lot of them from watching other people succeed.

   6. MLMarcus Luttrell45:46

      Once you get good enough at laughing at your mess-ups-

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:49

      Yeah.

   8. MLMarcus Luttrell45:49

      ... they're not setbacks, they're kind of set-ups.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:51

      Yes.

   10. MLMarcus Luttrell45:51

       Right? (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       Yeah.

   12. MLMarcus Luttrell45:52

       Because when you're going in, you're untrained. I mean, if you like something, you just went in and you were good at it, then what's the point?

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       Right. Right. Well, that's the problem with really talented people. We see that in fighting.

   14. MLMarcus Luttrell46:01

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       There's a lot of really, really talented people, they often fall short because they're so talented they don't want to work hard.

   16. MLMarcus Luttrell46:07

       Mm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:07

       And then the determined little wolves, there's these some guys that don't... maybe they don't have the best genetic tools or they don't... maybe they didn't have the best childhood or whatever it is, but they have determination and they figure out a way to become great.

   18. MLMarcus Luttrell46:21

       Yeah. I tell them like, "Yeah, you did. You're telling me you were born in the worst place in this country and the hardest place, then that means that's how powerful you are."

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:29

       Yeah.

   20. MLMarcus Luttrell46:29

       Like diamonds are forged through pressure-

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       Yup.

   22. MLMarcus Luttrell46:31

       ... over time when, when the blade is on the mill and the sparks are flying and that thing is screaming, you know it's going, "What are you doing to me?"

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:38

       Mm-hmm.

   24. MLMarcus Luttrell46:38

       "I'm sharpening you."

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:39

       Making a blade.

   26. MLMarcus Luttrell46:40

       Blade. Even when it's getting sharpened it has no idea what's going on. When I joined Seal training, that's what the, one of the instructors told me, "You know what we do here? We're gonna forge you into a blade. We're gonna get you really hot and really cold and beat the mess out of you. Then we're gonna repeat it until we make something that when we send you in with the rest of our guys, they're all like..." Each person around you is a stone. They're designed to polish you, sharpen you, or dull you out.

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:02

       Yeah.

   28. MLMarcus Luttrell47:03

       And you run around guys like us who are always sharp, then we sharpen each other. So you don't have... To come in on us, like our hard days, we look forward to them now-

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       Yeah.

   30. MLMarcus Luttrell47:11

       ... because somebody has to go in there and carry that weight. And people are always like, "Man, I can't believe you did that." I was like, "Well, obviously you didn't want to do it. If you weren't willing to carry it, I will. That'll be my spot. I don't want to be anything like you, but I want to be good enough to hang out with you though." You know what I mean?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:02:01

   Yeah, hey. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      lives, they just, he just knocked on his door and said, "Let's go."

   2. MLMarcus Luttrell1:00:02

      Yeah, hey.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      And they went out and ran 20 miles at a six and a half minute mile pace. (laughs)

   4. MLMarcus Luttrell1:00:06

      "Hey, pussy, what's up? I saw you on, on, on YouTube. You want some?"

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      Exactly. (laughs)

   6. MLMarcus Luttrell1:00:11

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      Exactly. Well, they're good friends and they-

   8. MLMarcus Luttrell1:00:12

      They are, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      ... they push each other. They push each o- like, Goggins will send me text messages out of nowhere. "I'm just letting you know, stay hard." You know what I'm saying? (laughs)

   10. MLMarcus Luttrell1:00:20

       I'll text him. "Goggins, what are you doing? Getting hard?"

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

       (laughs)

   12. MLMarcus Luttrell1:00:23

       "Of course you are."

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       "Stay hard."

   14. MLMarcus Luttrell1:00:25

       "Yeah, stay hard, bro."

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       Yeah.

   16. MLMarcus Luttrell1:00:26

       You know.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

       Yeah.

   18. MLMarcus Luttrell1:00:27

       "You stay that way so I don't... you know, I can get... soft." (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       It's... This... It's... Again, people like that, like, they're fuel for everybody else. Like, they ex- and, and Goggins knows it. One of the res- well, the conversations I had with him recently, he goes, he goes, "I think this shit is bigger than me!"He goes, "When I get up in the morning, I'm running i- g- it's bigger than me. It's like, uh, uh, there's something moving through me." And I think that's real. I mean, it sounds (sighs) hyperbolic. It sounds like it's exaggeration, but I don't think it is. I think there's something that's moving through him that is forcing other people to action, and it makes him greater than just an individual. It makes him, like, almost like an antenna, like there's something, like, he's, uh, he's beaming in the power of discipline and the, the benefit that it has on, on a, on a human being.

   20. MLMarcus Luttrell1:01:13

       He's real.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       He's real.

   22. MLMarcus Luttrell1:01:14

       He's the real deal.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       There's no doubt about it, man.

   24. MLMarcus Luttrell1:01:16

       And obviously, with us too, it's an evolutionary thing, right? I mean, meaning like day by day.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       Yeah.

   26. MLMarcus Luttrell1:01:22

       Well, I've, I've heard stories of... My favorite one was when he, they took his shoes off during one of his races and they were bleeding through his toenai- you know, toenails. They're like, "Hey man, it's like hamburger down there. You probably gotta be in a lot of pain. You should quit." He's like, "Why would pain make me quit?" That's re- he's r- he's the real deal.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:36

       Yeah, yeah.

   28. MLMarcus Luttrell1:01:36

       I mean, I got... We would do Patriot tours. Like, I was on tour with him, and, and he would run from city to city-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       (laughs)

   30. MLMarcus Luttrell1:01:42

       ... and then he'd show up all greased up with his abs and his kind of... You know, he's got that-

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