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Joe Rogan Experience #1623 - Doug Stanhope

Doug Stanhope is a standup comedian, author, and host of the Doug Stanhope Podcast. Check out his latest audiobook No Encore for the Donkey, available now as an Audible Original.

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Jun 27, 20242h 50mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 2:50

    Stanhope emerges from a yearlong shutdown (and forgets the vodka)

    1. JR

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. NA

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Douglas.

    4. DS

      I am fucking nervous.

    5. JR

      Why? For real?

    6. DS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      Why?

    8. DS

      Uh, it's a good- no, it's a good thing. I haven't left my fucking house in a year. I mean, except for-

    9. JR

      You've been totally locked up?

    10. DS

      Well, I mean, I go to the grocery store. Uh-

    11. JR

      How did you, how did you avoid getting it? You didn't get it at all, right?

    12. DS

      No.

    13. JR

      The cooties?

    14. DS

      No.

    15. JR

      Nothing?

    16. DS

      Because everyone I know is a shut-in too.

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. DS

      And I fucking loved it. It's, it's like, I left a day after my year anniversary. Like, I packed a week before coming here.

    19. JR

      So, all you've done is go to the food store?

    20. DS

      Yep.

    21. JR

      Wow.

    22. DS

      Uh, well, I went up to Phoenix for New Years to see a... it's a long story, to see a dog that I almost kept, uh, but I gave away. Anyway, so yes, basically no, I have not left-

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. DS

      ... fucking Bisbee, Arizona in a year.

    25. JR

      Wow.

    26. DS

      And I didn't think it affected me until I left. It's like if you stayed in bed for a year going, "I don't need to walk. I know how to walk." And then after a year you're like, "Fuck, my legs." (laughs) "I'm atrophied."

    27. JR

      What feels... What feels the weirdest?

    28. DS

      Well, just figuring out how to pack for the road. I packed everything. I drove and, uh, I left Sunday to be here Wednesday. It's a 13-hour drive. I could have done it in one shot. (laughs) But I was so excited, I was like, "I'm gonna leave on Sunday and just take the back roads and, uh..." Like, I practiced talking on the phone before I came here.

    29. JR

      (laughs)

    30. DS

      An hour and a half before, I'm just calling people... Like, I don't talk to anyone on the phone. The only time I, you know, use the phone is to figure out where to meet you to talk. I don't socialize on the phone.

  2. 2:50 – 4:58

    The origin of the goofy suits, pajama comfort, and staying financially low-maintenance

    1. DS

      Yes. You notice I have fucking... I did... Like, I brought two different suits, like goofy suits.

    2. JR

      Right.

    3. DS

      I'm like, "I've been wearing pajamas for a year. I would... I think I would be even more awkward if I was wearing a suit, especially with stupid hair."

    4. JR

      When did the goofy suits become a thing with you? Like, what year do you think that-

    5. DS

      1989 it started in telemarketing-

    6. JR

      (laughs)

    7. DS

      ... because my mother would send me goofy suits like that because they had just gone out of style, like in that earlier... that decade.

    8. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    9. DS

      So, they're, you know, fucking... It's like buying acid wash jeans now. You know, they're a fucking nickel a pair at the thrift store.

    10. JR

      I think Jamie has a few pairs. Do you have any of those?

    11. NA

      Acid wash sweatpants?

    12. JR

      Oh, yeah, that's right. Sweatpants.

    13. DS

      (laughs)

    14. JR

      Yeah, but that is your signature shit now, the goofy suit.

    15. DS

      Yeah, and I go, "I don't think I'm ready to put on a goofy suit. I don't know if it would clash with the goofy hair." Because people will show up at my shows in goofy suits-

    16. JR

      Oh, no.

    17. DS

      ... but they'll have like plaid on plaid and you go, "No, that doesn't work."

    18. JR

      (laughs)

    19. DS

      Like, I accessorize perfectly in a goofy suit but I go, "I have the goofy hair now. Is that like polka dots on plaid? I don't know."

    20. JR

      Right, have you gone too far?

    21. DS

      Yeah, I want to be comfortable here so I'm wearing pajamas like I have for the last year.

    22. JR

      Why don't you just wear pajamas?

    23. DS

      That's what I'm wearing. Well, pajama pants.

    24. JR

      Are those pajama pants?

    25. DS

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      Okay. There you go.

    27. DS

      And this is... this was my old travel shirt. I wore this any time I traveled. I'm like, "Yeah, I want to be comfortable. I don't want to fucking worry about my tie clip."

    28. JR

      You've stayed within your means very well. Like, you've never had to worry about finances. Like, you've... you dialed that in early.

    29. DS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      You never fell into the trap a lot of people do where they like buy a bigger house or buy a bigger car or this or that?

  3. 4:58 – 9:27

    Vaccines, masks, and how internet clips erase context

    1. JR

      (laughs) When do you think you're gonna start working again? Are you gonna get the vaccine?

    2. DS

      I got my first shot.

    3. JR

      Which one? The Pfizer or the Moderna?

    4. DS

      No, Moderna. I got my first shot (laughs) about two weeks ago. Two weeks ago tomorrow.

    5. JR

      Why is it funny?

    6. DS

      Because I just realized I still have the fucking Band-Aid when I took a bath last night.

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. DS

      I'm such a fucking slothful pig when it comes to bathing.

    9. JR

      Oh, that's hilarious.

    10. DS

      And it's still there. I didn't wash that hard that it came off even last night. (laughs)

    11. JR

      They're resilient, those Band-Aids.

    12. NA

      Mm-hmm.

    13. JR

      They'll stick around for a while if you let them.

    14. DS

      Well, I'm gonna get my follow-up shot two weeks from now.

    15. JR

      And they'll just peel that off.

    16. DS

      From the same lady and I want her to see the same dirty bandage and make her take it off. (laughs)

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. DS

      I know that's rude but I think it's funny.

    19. JR

      So, you're getting the shots in Bisbee? Is it hard to get it? Or do they have a good supply?

    20. DS

      Uh, yeah. Well, it just... I don't want to get anyone in trouble but I probably cut a line.

    21. JR

      Oh, don't say anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. Yeah.

    22. DS

      But yesterday Cochise County tweeted, "Okay, now 18 and up."And I go, "Yeah, that's great you Tweeted that but, uh, maybe nine people in all of Cochise County are on Twitter. (laughs) You gotta go door to door to fucking alert these people."

    23. JR

      The UFC contacted me. They have a large supply of, uh, Johnson & Johnson vaccines, that's the one you only take one shot, it's different. It's on MR- mRNA vaccine, it's a different vaccine. What is that called, an adenovirus? Is that what it's called? Do you know what it's called? Some sort of different shot. But they, uh, they wanna give it to me this weekend.

    24. DS

      Oh, so you haven't had your first yet?

    25. JR

      I was, I was gonna head down and get it. No.

    26. DS

      All right. I, I, I don't, I don't know your... You know, I, I just-

    27. JR

      It's not anti-vaccine

    28. DS

      ... I hear about you.

    29. JR

      Oh. You hear about me.

    30. DS

      It's like, "I think he's an anti-masker. Well maybe he's an-

  4. 9:27 – 12:43

    Doug’s ‘COVID was great for me’ confession and evolutionary-psych takes on risk and care

    1. DS

      There, that's my hypocrisy. I got... First of all, COVID for me for a year has been the best excuse I've ever had. This is one of the best years of my life-

    2. JR

      (laughs)

    3. DS

      ... was 2020-

    4. JR

      Just allowed-

    5. DS

      ... plus one. Uh, was, yeah, to have an excuse to not socialize, to not work. 'Cause I'm legendary for every three years going, "Fuck this, I'm done with comedy." (laughs)

    6. JR

      Yeah, you quit for like six months and then you-

    7. DS

      And I know that I'm lying.

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. DS

      But, uh, like, uh, mentally, this time I had an excuse to not work. I had an excuse why you couldn't come over, where generally I'm polite and you wanna come down and visit but, yeah, COVID. And then-

    10. JR

      Mm.

    11. DS

      ... well, you really believe that shit? Well the people around me do. And then they can put the blame on, you know, Chaley and Tracy like-

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. DS

      (laughs) ... yeah, they're, everyone else is worried. I'm sorry there's nothing I can do. Uh, and then I get the shot. Uh, my first one. And, uh-

    14. JR

      Did the first one bother you at all? Did it fuck with you?

    15. DS

      I'm so afraid of needles that I started drinking at 9:00 AM for a 5:00 PM shot.

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. DS

      So the next day when I was sweating through fucking comforters, I don't know is that hangover or flu residual?

    18. JR

      (laughs)

    19. DS

      But the, the hypocrisy is that I've always shit on Chaley and Tracy for getting flu shots. "You should get a flu shot." No, I don't, I don't, I don't like needles. Uh, well I might be killing as many old people (laughs) by not getting a f- regular flu shot, but I don't give a fuck about old people and they're not in my life.

    20. JR

      Oh.

    21. DS

      Which I think, uh, subliminally a lot of people, uh... If, if, if coronavirus was killing that many babies and children?

    22. JR

      Right.

    23. DS

      I think the same anti-maskers would be attacking you with a crowbar for not wearing a mask in public. "You're fucking risking my kid's life!"

    24. JR

      Probably.

    25. DS

      People would get fucking ape-like over their children.

    26. JR

      Yeah, people would be, they'd be very different. But, yeah.

    27. DS

      Yeah. I think that's, of fucking natural selection kind of thing is, I don't give a fuck about old people, they're taking food from the fucking family and the, and the herd. Let them die off.

    28. JR

      (laughs)

    29. DS

      I'm a... I get a... I, I've been studying Evolutionary Psychology. Uh, I, I downloaded a book on Audible about it, 16 and a half hours, and listened to it on the way out so I should-

    30. JR

      Yeah?

  5. 12:43 – 22:55

    Podcasts from prison and the bizarre comedy ecosystem around them

    1. DS

      I stopped and did one podcast, my own podcast, which I should promote, I never promote my own. I'm putting more effort into it. We're doing Patreon. Uh-

    2. JR

      Are you doing Patreon now?

    3. DS

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      Did you just get tired of doing ads?

    5. DS

      Well, I- uh- well, we gotta make money.

    6. JR

      Right.

    7. DS

      Like, I started that podcast as a- a- a default open mic. Back- I started my podcast back when we really thought everyone has a podcast. (laughs) And since COVID, like, I have two people that I- I keep in touch with that are in, uh, one's in a mental institution for murdering his mother.

    8. JR

      Whoa.

    9. DS

      Actually in a halfway house now. Uh-

    10. JR

      They're gonna let him out?

    11. DS

      Yeah, he's got a job. He- I have this in-

    12. JR

      Killed his mom?

    13. DS

      Yes. Y- yes. I assume stabbed her to death, I never really got into the details.

    14. JR

      Whoa.

    15. DS

      But he's coming to my shows. He- he gets day passes and-

    16. JR

      Yeah?

    17. DS

      ... nice kid. And then Bobby Caldwell at-

    18. JR

      Nice- nice kid.

    19. DS

      ... Notes from the Pen-

    20. JR

      Hold up.

    21. DS

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      Let's not gloss over this. Nice kid stabbed his mom, what happened?

    23. DS

      Yeah, he's a m- mental illness.

    24. JR

      And they're gonna let him out? Did they fix it?

    25. DS

      He- he's- h- he's out.

    26. JR

      How'd he-

    27. DS

      He only went back in because of COVID and now he's back out-

    28. JR

      How long was he in for?

    29. DS

      (laughs) Not very long, I think it was 2014.

    30. JR

      How's his mom- how's his mom's family feel about this?

  6. 22:55 – 32:37

    Comedy taste, couples in comedy, and the ‘not funny partner’ dynamic

    1. JR

      It's, uh, it's a real bummer when you like someone and then you f- you hear their comedy and you're like, "I can't."

    2. DS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      "I can't be friends too."

    4. DS

      Well-

    5. JR

      You know?

    6. DS

      This is, you know, this i- this is a-

    7. JR

      Yeah. Well, he's a different case.

    8. DS

      Yeah, it's, uh-

    9. JR

      It's... But, you know, like, when you're, when you're like... At the store there was always, um, an interesting hodgepodge of beginners and veterans, people that had been, you know, doing the road forever, and then there'd be people that, you know, you hung out with and you're like, "Oh, he seems like a funny guy." And then you see his set and you're like, "Oh, shit, I can't hang out with you. I just can't 'cause you're not gonna make it." It's like-

    10. DS

      Eh, you've never dated a comedian.

    11. JR

      No. I did when I was 21.

    12. DS

      Where?

    13. JR

      When I was 21.

    14. DS

      I, I, I was in a relationship for a, like, a year and a half.

    15. JR

      It can get rough.

    16. DS

      And-

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. DS

      And they're working out bits, and you can't... Like, I can tell Twyman-

    19. JR

      Ooh.

    20. DS

      I don't get why you would even think that's a joke.

    21. JR

      Right. And he can handle it.

    22. DS

      'Cause who's he gonna kill? Me?

    23. JR

      (laughs)

    24. DS

      (laughs)

    25. JR

      If he kills another person, he's really going away.

    26. DS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      This, this time.

    28. DS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      For real.

    30. DS

      Yeah. Those, and none of these meds are gonna work.

  7. 32:37 – 43:11

    Road-war stories: Austin logistics, Ron White’s party trap, and sobriety via ayahuasca

    1. DS

      ... I, like, there's a few that I... I, I, I'm terrible, and so are you, uh, at following up a lot of times, like, uh, like, "Hey, Joe, on Sunday, what time on Wednesday and where do I go?" And-

    2. JR

      I didn't text you back?

    3. DS

      No, no.

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. DS

      And, uh, it like, it affected all my travel plans.

    6. JR

      (laughs)

    7. DS

      And, uh-

    8. JR

      I'm sorry (laughs) .

    9. DS

      ... and then I, then I ask the fucking worst person ever, "Hey, uh..."

    10. JR

      Who'd you ask? Red Band?

    11. DS

      No. No, no.

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. DS

      Red Band is the one who fucking got... He was the hero. No, Brett Erickson and fucking Kerry Mitchell.

    14. JR

      Oh. Oh (laughs) .

    15. DS

      I'm like, "Can you at least tell me, like do you know like what part of Austin so I could book a hotel near it?"

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. DS

      And they gave me... They didn't say, "I don't know," they gave me the wrong information. They gave me the information of the fucking new-

    18. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    19. DS

      ... you know, place. And they, he lives like 10 minutes north of there. I'm like, "Well, wh- where... Does he do the podcast there?"

    20. JR

      (laughs)

    21. DS

      Like, I wanna be like uber distance but if you live out in fucking butt fuck rich part of town, they might not have Ubers. Ron White fucked us like that once. (laughs)

    22. JR

      Did he?

    23. DS

      Well, yeah, he's like, "Yeah, after the show in Atlanta," he showed up and did a guest spot. (laughs) "But you have to come to my house to party afterwards. It's, it's just right down the road. It's like fucking almost an hour away. We're gonna be on the tour bus, so we'll take all of you on the tour bus and we're coming back through this way."

    24. JR

      (sighs)

    25. DS

      "Anyway, tomorrow we'll drop you back off," and we partied through the night. Like, one of the hardest fucking hangovers I've ever lived through. With a show the next night.

    26. JR

      Ron White is sober now.

    27. DS

      Oh, uh, yeah. Tell me that but... (laughs) So, so the next morning as we're still like vaguely awake, he's like, "You guys gotta get a Uber." We're like, "I thought the tour bus is taking us back." "Change of plans."

    28. JR

      Oh, God.

    29. DS

      And then it's this gated community on a golf course and a fucking Uber takes two and a half hours-

    30. JR

      (sighs)

  8. 43:11 – 47:53

    Edibles, vitamins, and performance anxiety—plus why the UK still scares Doug

    1. DS

      I've been doing the edibles.

    2. JR

      Have you, really?

    3. DS

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      Well, I r- I saw that on your Instagram, or your, uh, Twitter rather.

    5. DS

      Yes.

    6. JR

      I was like, "Look at this, hmm."

    7. DS

      Yeah, it's-

    8. JR

      You're, you're paranoid?

    9. DS

      No, no, no, n- uh, not really. But I've, I, I've been doing 'em mostly during a fucking year of COVID, so I- I-

    10. JR

      That wouldn't make you paranoid though? Just be, don't you just like, just think of mortality and life and death and people you used to know-

    11. DS

      Not on 10 milligrams, but sometimes.

    12. JR

      Oh, little baby, little baby doses.

    13. DS

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. DS

      Yeah, uh, I mean, I, I get paranoid anyway, I get fucking paranoid on the road. Driving through West Texas, I know... How far have you been from Austin-

    16. JR

      I've been-

    17. DS

      ... in a car?

    18. JR

      Um, not recently, but I've been. I've driven, you know, down to Houston, Dallas.

    19. DS

      Well-

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. DS

      ... West Texas, just like-

    22. JR

      Yeah, West Texas you might as well be in a vampire movie.

    23. DS

      Especially when I'm in that head space-

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. DS

      ... after... Okay, I just did 450 miles, stopping to piss once with my gator up.

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. DS

      The gator's-

    28. JR

      (laughs)

    29. DS

      ... fucking great because it hides my fucking old man neck flesh, so, another great thing about-

    30. JR

      Well, there's a lot of guys that were rocking the neck bandana anyway-

  9. 47:53 – 53:03

    Comedy books, joke theft accusations, and The Man Show ‘suits’ ruining sketches

    1. JR

      W- tell me about this book, you were telling me about this book.

    2. DS

      Oh, Sam Talent?

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. DS

      Yes.

    5. JR

      'Cause maybe-

    6. DS

      Running the Light, that's for you.

    7. JR

      Is that... Because I think-

    8. DS

      Go ahead.

    9. JR

      Thank you. I think someone else told me about this and I wasn't paying attention. And-

    10. DS

      It's the best depiction of road comedy. There's never been any movie in the United States, or, that, that shows standup comedy for what it is. Uh, what was Adam Sandler? Back to Adam Sandler. The one he did where, like, he's a old, bitter comic that thinks he has cancer but he's wrong. Se- yeah, Funny People.

    11. JR

      I never saw that.

    12. DS

      That, that was, uh, but it wasn't app- applicable to road comedy.

    13. JR

      Right.

    14. DS

      Where this is someone who's still doing one-nighters in fucking Amarillo, Texas.

    15. JR

      Oh.

    16. DS

      He's a old guy-

    17. JR

      And he's 53.

    18. DS

      ... and he's our age.

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. DS

      (laughs)

    21. JR

      Um, there was, we were talking before the podcast about Bill Maher's book. A lot of people don't know it. It's one of the things that I-... before I talk to Bill Maher, I, I wanna t- tell him. That's like, that's ag- a great book.

    22. DS

      Did you tell his fucking writers to s- s- stop stealing my fucking bits?

    23. JR

      Are they stealing your bits?

    24. DS

      Sorry, yeah, we, I, I, th-

    25. JR

      Really?

    26. DS

      That Patreon was supposed to go out fucking three weeks ago, but Chaley was on vacation. Yeah, so again, it's-

    27. JR

      What bit?

    28. DS

      Well, this time, it, it, it subtle hints at it, uh, uh, it was about, uh, well, my bit was about the 10K Fun Run for Your Own Ego I think was the track title, but we have to, his was, "We have to stop raising awareness for raising awareness!" And then, the, like, there's things that are absolutely specific to my bit from four years ago-

    29. JR

      (groans)

    30. DS

      ... when it was relevant. He goes into, like, uh, "And football, do you, can you stop with the pink shoes? Like, uh, I'm trying to watch the game here!" Like, specific lines in my cadence-

  10. 53:03 – 1:03:41

    Stanhope pitches a dark series idea and the ‘Comedian Grove’ fantasy compound

    1. DS

      Like, I'm, I, we're, uh, you know Olivia Grace?

    2. JR

      Yes.

    3. DS

      Fucking-

    4. JR

      Very funny.

    5. DS

      ... the best.

    6. JR

      I met her when she was like 16.

    7. DS

      Yeah, she has a fucking-

    8. JR

      She came to the Bray Improv.

    9. DS

      ... tattoo of a quote of my bit on her belly from when she was like 16.

    10. JR

      Whoa.

    11. DS

      And, and I go, "I'll pay for you to get that covered up." You know, you gotta-

    12. JR

      Yeah, get that lasered off, kid.

    13. DS

      Uh, but sh- we're pitching a show, a series now, and-

    14. JR

      For, on what network?

    15. DS

      Well, we're-

    16. JR

      For what?

    17. DS

      Uh, uh, well, the, the premise is y- y- I don't know if you saw my Louie episode where I was, the character was named Eddie that was gonna kill himself.

    18. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    19. DS

      Uh, and th- it ends with me driving off to my last gig to kill myself, but what if Eddie didn't kill himself and here 15 years later (laughs) it's kind of a Harold and Maude thing. And, and, we, it's through a British production company where you go, "Oh, okay. (laughs) So huge difference." But we're, we're pitching it homegrown network, uh, the, the, the point is that I don't need it now. When we did The Man Show, I needed that and you didn't 'cause you were doing Fear Factor. Like, if you weren't doing Fear Factor, you had the, the presence to go, "Fuck this! I'm not doing this. No, we're doing it this way." And I was the guy that was in the office every day going, "Uh, whatever you say."

    20. JR

      (laughs)

    21. DS

      "Uh, I think that's funnier, but I'll do it your way."

    22. JR

      Well, I only did it because I was gonna do it with you. Like, I, I was very specific with them. Like, they, they, they pitched a bunch of other people and I said, "No."

    23. DS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      I said, "I'm doing it with Stan Hope, or I'm not gonna do it." I'm like, "I need a real comic."... I'm like, "I need a crazy person."

    25. DS

      Yeah, but I did not have the, the-

    26. JR

      You didn't have the ability to say fuck you.

    27. DS

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      Yeah, yeah.

    29. DS

      Uh, but now, now I do. So now-

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  11. 1:03:41 – 1:11:29

    Hollywood ‘corruption,’ parody backlash, and Sacha Baron Cohen vs. a meme artist

    1. JR

      It's one of the reasons why I moved here. My plan was move here, get settled, live in a place where there's less people, and also separate standup comedy from the entertainment industry outside of comedy, because we've always been like entertainment industry adjacent, right? Movies and TV shows, they, they corrupt comics in a way, you know, in the, the opposite way you would think. You know, you think of like people getting corrupted, it's usually for the worse. But they get corrupted and they get watered down. They become politically correct and woke and a part of the system. We've seen it with talk show hosts and even comics that are good that start working in Hollywood. They start quoting things. Like, uh, fucking Sacha Baron Cohen, uh, he m- made a Facebook message to Mark Zuckerberg asking him why a post from... There's a legendary, uh, portrait artist from Australia. It's, it's... Is it Lushux? How do you say it? L-U-S-H-U-X? I've never said his name out loud. He's brilliant. This... He's a brilliant portrait artist who does parody. And Sacha Baron Cohen was saying to Mark D- Zuckerberg, "Why do you still have this up?" It's a parody of Bill Gates with a needle, like a vaccine needle saying, "When are you... Are, are, are you ready for your upgrade?" Or something along those lines. It's just funny.

    2. DS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      He did one of Elon Musk after Elon Wusk- Musk was on my show smoking a joint. He did that.

    4. DS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      He's done like... He does, he does these massive murals of... And he's a brilliant artist. Sacha Baron Cohen, Ali G, the fucking man. I love him. I love his work. He's calling for parody to be taken down off of Facebook. They get corrupted. They get in. They get in with this crowd of weird people who want to comply. They all want everybody to be on the same page, and, "We're, we're working for social justice and inclusiveness." And it's like, "Jesus, man." Like, "Your, your work is parody. This is parody." How did you get caught in this trap where you think that parody should be taken down? This is so crazy. Pull it, pull it up so we can see what it is 'cause it's, it's... Anybody that would think that this was real and this isn't kind of funny. Look at this. "Time to install your update."

    6. DS

      S- so you're saying Zuckerberg is taking this down?

    7. JR

      No, no, no.

    8. DS

      Like, who's fucking corrupting here?

    9. JR

      No, no, you're not listening.

    10. DS

      I... Well, no, you said a lot of words.

    11. JR

      Sacha Baron Cohen says, "Mark Zuckerberg, how do you sleep at night?"

    12. DS

      Oh, shit. Sacha Baron Cohen.

    13. JR

      Yes.

    14. DS

      Oh, I thought you were saying like...

    15. JR

      No, look at this. This is on Facebook, Instagram, Facebook and Instagram right now. "Your algorithm is still recommending lies about COVID and vaccines. How many people have to die before you act? Stop death for profit." He's being serious.

    16. DS

      Ugh.

    17. JR

      And this is, this is a... This guy... G- pull up some of Lushux's other stuff.

    18. DS

      Do you have any idea why that bolsters my opinion of a fucking place out in the middle of the fucking desert is...

    19. JR

      ... here's another one.

    20. NA

      (laughs)

    21. DS

      Sorry, but he made it afterwards, so.

    22. JR

      He did, he did, uh, that's I guess his version of Ali G. But pull up the one of, uh-

    23. DS

      (laughs)

    24. JR

      ... Elon Musk. He did a brilliant Elon Mi-... He's really good. But the point is, he does brilliant stuff. It's cool to see. But Sacha Baron Cohen-

    25. NA

      I am an Elon Musk-

    26. JR

      ... you go onto Ali G and, and Bruno and all his different sh-... it's all parody. But he got caught up in thinking somehow or another that this parody piece, which is making fun of, like, QAnon people who think they're getting a fucking, a microchip installed with the, with the vaccine. He's making fun of them.

    27. DS

      Yes.

    28. JR

      And Sacha Baron Cohen gets caught up in it.

    29. DS

      They've, they've bifurcated comedians into these camps (laughs) .

    30. JR

      (laughs) Look at... He's going all, he's going all out.

  12. 1:11:29 – 1:36:32

    Rejection training, evolutionary roots of shame, and the ‘risk-taker’ attraction theory

    1. DS

      Very smooth.

    2. JR

      ... just to watch the Ali G stuff, 'cause I loved him. Uh, his interviews, like... By the way, Trump is one of the few guys that he didn't get. Have you ever watched his interview with Trump? Like he sits down with Trump and he's doing his Ali G thing-

    3. NA

      Oh.

    4. JR

      ... where he does this character and he just acts like a moron. And a lot of people got, like, really upset with him. They, like, they didn't think it was funny at all. But you could see Trump right away was like, "What? Th- This is nonsense. I'm just getting the fuck out of here." But there were some legendary, uh, interviews where people, like, genuinely got upset with him.

    5. DS

      Uh, one of the books I listened to on the way out, a guy lives in Austin, uh, Xia Jing or Xia Zhang, uh, wrote a book called, uh, Rejection Proof, where he was, uh, born in Beijing and he lives in Austin. And he was trying to be an entrepreneur but he found himself afraid of rejection. So for 100 days he went out every day and did something where he had to face rejection and he would film it for a video blog back then. And, uh, he wrote a book about how he over... But the things he was doing is like, "I asked a man for $100 uh, and then I learned something from that." "I asked a man if I could tie his shoes." (laughs) And I'm like, "Hmm." I mean, it was inspirational because it's very sweet and heartfelt and he was facing his own fears, but the pranks were so, like, base level and, like, if you had four gin and tonics, this would be a four-page book. Like, "Fuck it, I'll just-" (laughs) ... asked. And when you look at, uh, you know, Sacha Baron Cohen or even the Impractical Jokers-

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. DS

      ... who I love.

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. DS

      Like, it, it was nonsense things, but it was still inspirational, but the fucking balls on that guy.

    10. JR

      It's a good move, right? If you're, if you're having a real hard time with people rejecting you, just go get rejected a lot and-

    11. DS

      That's what he did.

    12. JR

      That's, that's really bold.

    13. DS

      Yeah. And he was facing his own fears, but he al- also had a lot of insight that, you know, went back to evolutionary psychology.

    14. JR

      Oh.

    15. DS

      And the hairs on the back of my neck stood up and I go, "I just listened to that in a smart fuck book about, oh, that's why the hairs on your fucking back of your neck stand up is 'cause your animal instinct is to look bigger."

    16. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    17. DS

      You go, "Oh, wow." It's-

    18. JR

      Like dogs. Yeah.

    19. DS

      Yeah. Like cats.

    20. JR

      Cats too. Yeah, cats arch their back too.

    21. DS

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      Try to get bigger. Yeah.

    23. DS

      Uh, anyway, I'm sorry I had to piss and fucking ruin the entire flow of this.

    24. JR

      No, you didn't ruin it at all. It's, um, it's th- the... It's weird because, like, you could s- if you were a reductionist, you could look at someone get rejected and go, "Oh, get over it. It's nothing. They didn't hurt you. They just said no." But it's not real. We know that's not real.

    25. DS

      But that's what he gets into-

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. DS

      ... is exactly, uh, you know, Darwinian theory about there's a reason that you don't, like, that you are afraid of rejection because-

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. DS

      ... a- in your ancestral place, yeah, rejection would make you not, you know, be a, a, an available mate or a, a... You, you know what I'm saying?

    30. JR

      Yes. I know what you're saying. Yeah. It, it would wreck your confidence, and your confidence, I think it, it probably has-

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