Joe Rogan Experience #1625 - Demi Lovato

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Are you one of those people that bring water with you everywhere you go?

   2. DLDemi Lovato0:17

      I do.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Why do you do that?

   4. DLDemi Lovato0:18

      Well, I like to put lemon in it. Uh, it makes me drink more 'cause I just like the taste, and it saves plastic.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      Oh, look at you.

   6. DLDemi Lovato0:26

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      Environmentally conscious.

   8. DLDemi Lovato0:28

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      That's good. Uh, yeah, we start- we moved to, um, having these metal cups and have water in these things.

   10. DLDemi Lovato0:35

       Oh, I didn't even know these were metal.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Yeah. Because we-

   12. DLDemi Lovato0:37

       Cool.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       ... used to bring bottles of water in here.

   14. DLDemi Lovato0:40

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Those plastic bottles. And after a while, you're like, "What am I doing?"

   16. DLDemi Lovato0:43

       I know. I had an in- investment in a water company one time, and I actually ended up selling the investment because I, I don't wanna promote, like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Bottles of water.

   18. DLDemi Lovato0:53

       ... all the plastic, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       You know, they can make, um, plastic outta other stuff.

   20. DLDemi Lovato0:57

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       It's... They can make biodegradable plastic outta hemp, and th- they, they could be making water bottles outta stuff that would naturally biodegrade in the earth.

   22. DLDemi Lovato1:06

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       They could, but they don't. (laughs)

   24. DLDemi Lovato1:08

       Yeah, exactly.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       But, so we have a water filter machine, and then we just moved to metal, so that's our thing.

   26. DLDemi Lovato1:14

       Nice.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       What's all the stickers all over that thing?

   28. DLDemi Lovato1:17

       I like to... Well, it was a very bland water bottle, and so-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       So this is, like, your bottle. You have this one bottle-

   30. DLDemi Lovato1:25

       This is my bottle, yes. (laughs)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Wow, so you just…

   1. DLDemi Lovato15:00

      fans my age, because I had just been bullied three years before by people my age. When I was meeting fans, I was excited to meet them, but at the same time, I knew what they were capable of, so I had this weird, like, battle in my head every time I'd meet someone my age of like, "I'm so appreciative of you, but I'm also terrified of what you're capable of."

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:19

      Wow, so you just had a wall up for any young kids that reminded you of the girls who bullied you?

   3. DLDemi Lovato15:25

      Mm-hmm, which was my fan base at that time.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:28

      (sighs)

   5. DLDemi Lovato15:28

      And so that was always in my mind, and- and I actually never even told anybody that really, because I didn't think it was important. I also felt guilty for feeling that way towards my fans.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:40

      Did you discuss the bullying with anybody at the time?

   7. DLDemi Lovato15:43

      Oh, yeah. I di- I discussed it with my mom. She took it... We went, I mean, she came to the school and tried to tell them what was happening, and they were like, "If it's cyberbullying, we can't do anything about it. It didn't happen on school grounds," so no punishment really took place. And I mean they had a suicide petition that they passed around the school and tried to get people to sign it so that I would kill my-

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:04

      (laughs)

   9. DLDemi Lovato16:05

      Like, it's- it gets gnarly. And- and girls can be mean.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       Yeah.

   11. DLDemi Lovato16:10

       Middle school girls can be mean. And so I talked about it a lot, and then I decided, that was really my first taste of activism work, was being an advocate for anti-bullying. And I remember I like, decided to start talking about it, and I felt like, I felt some purpose. And all of a sudden, my career wasn't about my talent anymore.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       Have you ever run into those girls?

   13. DLDemi Lovato16:35

       So...

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       (laughs)

   15. DLDemi Lovato16:36

       I haven't run into them, but I did make a phone call to like, the main girl that bullied me, because when I got sober, a part of the program they teach you to on your ninth step is you make amends. And when you do, your resentments, um... Er, you- you make a- a list of resentments. You write down everyone you've had a resentment against your entire life. At least, this is the way I was brought through the steps. And s- her name was on it, and when they had me go through what was my part, and I was like, "Well, I put the name down that she was a bitch, so like, I guess I did play a part in that." And when I looked at everything, I was like, "You know, I can't look back at that situation and- and say that I was innocent." So I went to own my part, but a part of the step was calling and making amends. And so I called her, and she was like, "Oh my gosh, I can't even believe you remember who I am." And I was like, "Bitch, you ruined my life." (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:39

       (laughs)

   17. DLDemi Lovato17:39

       Like, what? You f- are you fucking kidding me? Like... (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:43

       (laughs)

   19. DLDemi Lovato17:43

       And I was so like, I- I just like sat there and was like, "Cool, I think this concludes the end of this phone call. Uh, I'm sorry, and wish you well." (laughs) And that was it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:53

       But was she... Did you get past that? Did you talk to her? Like...

   21. DLDemi Lovato17:58

       She was so thrown off that I even remembered who she was after becoming famous and a celebrity that like, she wasn't interested in talking about what had happened when I was 12, or when we were 12.

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:12

       What did she wanna talk about? Like, what's it like to be you?

   23. DLDemi Lovato18:14

       Like, "How are you?" Like, "Oh my God, I miss you so much."

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:18

       Ew. (laughs)

   25. DLDemi Lovato18:18

       "I hope you're well." And I was just like... (sighs) (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:22

       (laughs)

   27. DLDemi Lovato18:23

       Like... (laughs) God grant me the serenity-

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:25

       (laughs)

   29. DLDemi Lovato18:25

       ... to accept the things I cannot change. (laughs) You know?

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:27

       Isn't it... It's so strange, people that are not famous, for some reason, they think that people who are famous are not people.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (laughs) …

   1. DLDemi Lovato30:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      (laughs)

   3. DLDemi Lovato30:00

      No. She actually... she helps me like get rid of negative energy and teaches me all the things, and yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      What is her background?

   5. DLDemi Lovato30:09

      Her background-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      Yeah.

   7. DLDemi Lovato30:10

      ... is, well, she... her- her background isn't s- like in this stuff.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:17

      Is she an accountant? (laughs)

   9. DLDemi Lovato30:19

      No, no, no, she's not an accountant. Um, but she... yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:22

       How does- how does one find a healer? Like how do you get in contact with a healer?

   11. DLDemi Lovato30:26

       It was like you... uh, a friend of a friend.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       Mm-hmm.

   13. DLDemi Lovato30:29

       Um, I actually was...... not doing so well on a trip to Bali. And, uh, my security guard knew her and invited her along. And when I was there sh- we worked together and she told me things that nobody knew. And so-

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       Like what?

   15. DLDemi Lovato30:47

       She knew what, um... (sighs) She knew that I was into some, some heavy stuff. Um, this was at the time that I had started using hard drugs, hard, hard drugs. And, uh-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       And nobody else knew that?

   17. DLDemi Lovato31:01

       Um...

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:01

       People around you knew it, right?

   19. DLDemi Lovato31:04

       I think that my... No. Security, like, people around me knew that I was maybe doing party drugs, but nobody knew what I was actually doing.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       Nobody, just you?

   21. DLDemi Lovato31:17

       Just me and the people I was getting it from.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       Right. But the people that you were getting it from knew you, so they knew other people that you knew.

   23. DLDemi Lovato31:24

       So I kept people at an arm's length when I was stone-cold sober.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       Mm-hmm.

   25. DLDemi Lovato31:31

       People that I worked with that, like, I was acquaintances with, but didn't hang out with. And those, some of those people I knew partied. So when I decided I wanted to relapse, I called one of them up and said, "Hey, what do you got?" And-

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       I like the way you said it, "When I decided I wanted to relapse."

   27. DLDemi Lovato31:51

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:52

       Like-

   29. DLDemi Lovato31:52

       'Cause you do, you do decide.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       So what is that decision? Like how do you make that decision? Like you're sitting around and you're just like, "Reality's too much. Sobriety's too much. Whatever this is, is too much."
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      you and I are having a rock solid-

   2. DLDemi Lovato45:01

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      ... conversation.

   4. DLDemi Lovato45:02

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      And it's not easy for a person to do what you've done in your lifetime, to be so young and to be so famous. And to start off when you were fucking seven years old on Barney? That's crazy.

   6. DLDemi Lovato45:15

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      And to go through all these things. But here, right now, rock solid human being, regular conversation, you're right there.

   8. DLDemi Lovato45:22

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:22

      You know? That shows that you've, you know, whatever these obstacles that have been put in front of you, you've figured a way over them or around them or you've gone through them, you know? You're, you're doing the right stuff.

   10. DLDemi Lovato45:33

       Thank you. I appreciate everything you just said, by the way. Um, that means a lot to me. Thank you.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       Well, you should be proud of yourself because it's... I have m- many friends that were famous when they were young, and it is not easy.

   12. DLDemi Lovato45:48

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       It's real hard. And one friend, whose parents ripped him off, he was a child actor and he was famous when he was really young and he found out as he was a grown adult that his parents had stolen millions of dollars from him. And, you know, and these are still his mom and his dad, and he's like, "What in the hell?" And he lives in this tortured world. And, uh, he, he, he never sought out the things that you're seeking out. And that's more common than not. What's more common than not is when someone becomes famous very early, and it doesn't even have to be young, right? You could-

   14. DLDemi Lovato46:23

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:23

       ... be in your 30s and get famous and go fucking crazy-

   16. DLDemi Lovato46:25

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:25

       ... because it's nuts.

   18. DLDemi Lovato46:26

       'Cause it's just a weird concept. Like, humans idolizing other humans-

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:32

       Yeah.

   20. DLDemi Lovato46:32

       ... is such a weird concept.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:35

       And if you don't do something-

   22. DLDemi Lovato46:36

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:36

       ... like you're doing to sort of balance out your head and recognize like, "No, no, no, no, this is just crazy."

   24. DLDemi Lovato46:43

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:43

       "This is just some weird th- place that I got in, but I'm just a person."

   26. DLDemi Lovato46:46

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:46

       Just like that girl that you called up. She doesn't understand.

   28. DLDemi Lovato46:49

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:49

       Like, "How do you even know who I am anymore?"

   30. DLDemi Lovato46:51

       Y- yeah. Yeah. (laughs)
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      help you... I would imagine, like, who you are now, you've, you're much more accustomed to the fame and the life and you're kind of, like, settling into it.

   2. DLDemi Lovato1:00:11

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      But I would imagine that being 17, 18, 19, it was probably unbearable at times because it's probably so insane.

   4. DLDemi Lovato1:00:19

      The most insane thing to me that I could never wrap my head around was, like, I was a minor being followed by paparazzi, um, which are grown men. And (laughs) so here I am 16, 17 years old, going to dinner at Bob's Burgers with my friends and paparazzi's there.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

      Hmm.

   6. DLDemi Lovato1:00:44

      But it was perfectly legal because they had a camera. Where does that make sense-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

      Right.

   8. DLDemi Lovato1:00:51

      ... for a minor-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

      Right, to-

   10. DLDemi Lovato1:00:52

       ... to be followed by grown men, but it's okay because they have a camera?

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

       I think the idea is that once you're famous, once you're in a media forum, whether it's television or movies-

   12. DLDemi Lovato1:01:01

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

       ... that (snaps fingers) you're free game.

   14. DLDemi Lovato1:01:03

       I know.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       And they can just take pictures of you, even though they don't have to have your permission.

   16. DLDemi Lovato1:01:06

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       It's like, if you're a minor, they, uh, it really should be illegal for them to take photos of you.

   18. DLDemi Lovato1:01:10

       It really should. It should. And I-... think there's probably Disney stars that would get mad at me for saying that, that might be under 18. But-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

       Well, they can consent to having their photos taken.

   20. DLDemi Lovato1:01:21

       Sure. But I think there needs to be, like, that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

       Yeah.

   22. DLDemi Lovato1:01:25

       There needs to be consent. And the fact that there wasn't any ... There were times where, like, I hid in my house. Like, Halloween one night, like I hid in, in my ... When I was 16, um, me and another Disney star just, like, hid in my room.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

       You know you said-

   24. DLDemi Lovato1:01:41

       Didn't come out of our house.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       ... you do hair and makeup for two hours before you go on tour? Maybe you can get, like, a special effects person to give you a crazy nose-

   26. DLDemi Lovato1:01:48

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:48

       ... and, like, a weird forehead, and you can just-

   28. DLDemi Lovato1:01:50

       I've thought about it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

       Yeah.

   30. DLDemi Lovato1:01:51

       I want to.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:17:22

   No. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      on an Aerodyne machine. This is this fucking savage.

   2. DLDemi Lovato1:15:03

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:03

      Look at him. He's a savage.

   4. DLDemi Lovato1:15:06

      Wow.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:07

      So he's in the sauna, 250 degrees in the sauna sometimes. Like, no, no bullshit. Like, he sent me photos where it says, like, 230. And I'm like, "You're gonna... You're... That's a brisket."

   6. DLDemi Lovato1:15:17

      Yeah. (laughs) Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15:18

      You're cooking a brisket.

   8. DLDemi Lovato1:15:18

      You're cook- (laughs) Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:15:21

      (laughs) Like, you can't stay in there, you're gonna die.

   10. DLDemi Lovato1:15:22

       Oh, my God.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:15:23

       But he can tolerate it. He's built him- him- himself up to be able to do that. But he also wears oven mitts and rides a fucking Aerodyne machine in there.

   12. DLDemi Lovato1:15:31

       No.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:15:31

       Yeah, 'cause the metal gets too hot to hold it.

   14. DLDemi Lovato1:15:35

       Oh, my God.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:15:35

       Yeah.

   16. DLDemi Lovato1:15:35

       I wasn't even thinking about that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:15:36

       Yeah, that's why he's got the oven mitts on. You can't hold onto the metal.

   18. DLDemi Lovato1:15:39

       Jesus.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:15:40

       Yeah, what in the fuck, dude? (laughs)

   20. DLDemi Lovato1:15:42

       I just thought he wanted to sweat more or something. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:15:45

       (laughs) No.

   22. DLDemi Lovato1:15:45

       I was like, "No, I'd need to do it without the mittens at least." (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:15:47

       No, it's a fucking frying pan. He's holding onto a frying pan.

   24. DLDemi Lovato1:15:50

       Wow.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:15:51

       Yeah.

   26. DLDemi Lovato1:15:51

       That's... Oh, my gosh.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:15:54

       Look at him. That is wrong.

   28. DLDemi Lovato1:15:56

       Wow.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:15:57

       He's a crazy person. He does a lot of crazy shit too. He does, like, uh, these weird weightlifting workouts. He actually has a whole protocol for weightlifting workouts in the pool. So he'll, like, take 75...

   30. DLDemi Lovato1:16:08

       Oh, that's cool.

Episode duration: 2:29:15