Joe Rogan Experience #1632 - Tom Segura

1. 0:00 – 1:28

   New studio debut: set design, neon sign, and “alien shit”

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Hello, Tommy Bunz.

   4. TSTom Segura0:16

      Hello, Joseph.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Welcome to the new studio.

   6. TSTom Segura0:18

      I love it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      You are guest number uno.

   8. TSTom Segura0:20

      This is a great look, man.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Thanks, buddy.

   10. TSTom Segura0:22

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       I mixed it up.

   12. TSTom Segura0:23

       It's brighter.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       So, like a little bit of the old.

   14. TSTom Segura0:26

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       A little new.

   16. TSTom Segura0:28

       Some aliens here.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Little bit of alien shit. This might be annoying, my name behind me.

   18. TSTom Segura0:32

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Might be annoying. It looks cool-

   20. TSTom Segura0:33

       It does look cool.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       ... but it might not be the right spot for it.

   22. TSTom Segura0:35

       Yeah, it does-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       We'll figure that out.

   24. TSTom Segura0:36

       It does look cool.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       It's a little odd, though. Like-

   26. TSTom Segura0:38

       Yeah. Well, not really.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Me and then a big neon thing of my name right behind me.

   28. TSTom Segura0:43

       I sense you're gonna move that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       It's a little obnoxious.

   30. TSTom Segura0:45

       Okay. (laughs)
2. 1:28 – 4:36

   Texas tour check-in: Spanish shows, Miami crowds, and Spanglish as a comedy weapon

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:28

      What's it like being in Texas?

   2. TSTom Segura1:29

      It's great, man. I had a great week here. We were in San Antonio, Houston, Dallas.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:33

      What'd you do in San Antonio?

   4. TSTom Segura1:34

      I did Spanish shows.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:35

      Oh, shit.

   6. TSTom Segura1:36

      Yeah, I did sh-, uh, Spanish shows in each city.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:38

      Oh, wow. So, that's what you're doing right now, a Spanish tour?

   8. TSTom Segura1:41

      I mean, I'm, I'm going back. Next week, I'm doing English, uh, in Lexington, but yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:45

      That's wild, man. And, and when you go to Miami, you could do both, right? You could mix it up.

   10. TSTom Segura1:48

       You could. Yeah, I mean, you could do them in all the cities I was in Texas in, for sure you could, you know?

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:52

       Diaz used to do that in Miami, and he was unfollowable. Unfollowable.

   12. TSTom Segura1:56

       Oh, I'm sure. I am sure.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:58

       Unfollowable.

   14. TSTom Segura1:59

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:59

       I saw him bury people there.

   16. TSTom Segura2:01

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       'Cause he would do, like, standup, and then he would have punchlines in Spanish-

   18. TSTom Segura2:06

       Oh, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       ... and you would see people falling out of their fucking chairs.

   20. TSTom Segura2:08

       I saw him in Miami do a set last year, right the night that he dosed me, and, uh-

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:14

       (laughs)

   22. TSTom Segura2:14

       ... and he murdered. So, I watched the show.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       Yeah.

   24. TSTom Segura2:18

       'Cause I di- I finished my show at another venue and just drove to see him, and then he gave me a fucking pill-

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:23

       (laughs)

   26. TSTom Segura2:24

       ... and then I watched his show. But he destroyed, absolutely destroyed.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:28

       Yeah, it's that, the combination-

   28. TSTom Segura2:30

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:30

       ... of like the Spanglish.

   30. TSTom Segura2:31

       Yeah.
3. 4:36 – 7:04

   Why Tom’s moving to Texas: LA burnout, politics, and pandemic management failures

   1. TSTom Segura4:36

      Yeah, man. No, I'm coming here. I'm moving here, man.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:38

      Yeah.

   3. TSTom Segura4:39

      I'm excited.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:39

      What's that feel like?

   5. TSTom Segura4:41

      You know, I've, I've been, uh... You know this. I've been a huge LA advocate and defender for years. Everybody, people talk shit about it, and I'm like, "Fuck you, man." Like, I, you know... I, I liked it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:51

      Yeah.

   7. TSTom Segura4:52

      But I, I do feel like it was, the whole thing was horribly managed for the last year, and I don't, I don't like it as much anymore. I really don't. Um, so I'm, I'm excited. I mean, I've been there 19 years. That's the longest-

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:05

      Yeah.

   9. TSTom Segura5:05

      ... I've ever lived anywhere.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       Me too.

   11. TSTom Segura5:07

       And-

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       Same kind of thing.

   13. TSTom Segura5:08

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:08

       Yeah.

   15. TSTom Segura5:08

       And so, like, you know, I, you know, we looked around, we started talking about it. And then you know how it is. It's like, when your spouse is like, "Yes, I wanna do it," and then she became the harder force in it, I was like, "Well, I guess we're definitely doing this."

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       (laughs)

   17. TSTom Segura5:20

       You know? 'Cause I don't think, I didn't think I could ever get her to... I would throw this around sometimes, like the idea. Like, hey, let's move to... I used to... I love Denver. I was like, "Let's move to Denver."

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:29

       You know, because her family comes from communist-

   19. TSTom Segura5:31

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:32

       ... you know, countries, and like, this idea of socialism is so appalling to her.

   21. TSTom Segura5:37

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:37

       Marxism and socialism, when she hears that kinda, like-

   23. TSTom Segura5:40

       Oh, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:40

       ... even though it's this minor just woke version of it-

   25. TSTom Segura5:43

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:43

       ... she's like, "You fucking idiots." Like-

   27. TSTom Segura5:45

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       ... "You don't know where this is going."

   29. TSTom Segura5:46

       Yeah, exact- exactly.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:47

       Yeah.
4. 7:04 – 8:52

   Urban decline talk: trash, boarded-up businesses, and the disappearing fixes (plus an Artie Lange check-in)

   1. TSTom Segura7:04

      I mean, the, the thing is, man, like, I still ... I like LA. I like parts of LA, like aspects of LA, but it is, it is a weird place right now.

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:13

      Yeah.

   3. TSTom Segura7:13

      I don't see how anybody could say that it isn't, for someone who's lived there, like, two decades.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:18

      It's dangerous.

   5. TSTom Segura7:19

      It's dangerous, and it's fucking dirty, man.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:21

      Yeah, it's dirty.

   7. TSTom Segura7:21

      There's trash, trash everywhere.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:23

      Trash everywhere.

   9. TSTom Segura7:23

      There's trash everywhere, and it's so bizarre.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       And there's no money to fix it.

   11. TSTom Segura7:26

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:27

       And then also, like, how are you gonna bring all those businesses back? Like all those places that are boarded up, what, h- what's it gonna take to bring it back-

   13. TSTom Segura7:35

       That's all you see. You see-

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:35

       ... to what it was?

   15. TSTom Segura7:36

       ... so many, like, these strip malls-

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       Yeah.

   17. TSTom Segura7:40

       ... with, um, that have been ... Like, I've been driving by some of them, you know, for a year.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:44

       Yeah.

   19. TSTom Segura7:44

       And it's all shut down. And there's garbage er- and there's garbage on the freeways.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:49

       Yeah, it's weird.

   21. TSTom Segura7:50

       Like, you, whatever freeway you're connecting to, you know, you're going 5, 110, it's like you just see trash everywhere. It's so bizarre.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:54

       Yeah, all the sides of the road.

   23. TSTom Segura7:56

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:56

       Yeah.

   25. TSTom Segura7:57

       I, that I don't remember seeing before like that.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:59

       No. Well, they used to use prisoners to clean that shit up.

   27. TSTom Segura8:02

       Hm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:02

       You know, that was a, like, uh, that was one of the things that Artie Lange had to do.

   29. TSTom Segura8:06

       Really?

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:06

       Yeah, when he was on parole. I't- I'm pretty sure he did. I, I know I've seen other celebrities do the trash pick-up.
5. 8:52 – 16:29

   YMH Live as the new model: fan-funded production, prosthetics, and the “heavy segment”

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:52

      But I, I would think a guy like that ... Uh, you know, you don't realize how much, like, doing standup is a part of who you are as a person.

   2. TSTom Segura9:00

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:01

      Like, you put ... You, you can be creative, like, well, you guys actually probably are the best example of taking ... You and Schultts, like Schultts did an amazing job with his Instagram and then turned it into a Netflix special.

   4. TSTom Segura9:12

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:12

      But what you guys have been doing, with your live shows-

   6. TSTom Segura9:15

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:15

      ... is an amazing example of saying, "Okay, what can we do different?"

   8. TSTom Segura9:19

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:19

      Like, "How do we, how do we just do something that a fucking network would never let us do?"

   10. TSTom Segura9:24

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       "Not in a million years."

   12. TSTom Segura9:25

       Not in a million years. And, you know, it's, it's really been, like, incredible, the, the response from, you know, from fans who-

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:33

       Yeah.

   14. TSTom Segura9:33

       ... who are supporting it. And it makes you go, like, "Oh," uh, like, it, it makes me realize how we're living in this shift right now in the entertainment business, where we've known that, like, creators can take control and create things. But now you realize that that paywall can be controlled by creators. And it's gonna, that's going to increase. That's here to stay. You know, like, when paywalls first started, you go like, "Oh, like, Netflix ..." Or you try to read an article sometimes, like, from one of the big publishers, right?

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:01

       Mm-hmm.

   16. TSTom Segura10:01

       And you gotta, you gotta subscribe. That is going to be the norm across the board for entertainment, I think, for the next foreseeable future. And people are gonna be able to do things like we're doing and have way, like, way more control, do things like make features-

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:17

       Hmm.

   18. TSTom Segura10:17

       ... make television shows.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:18

       Yeah.

   20. TSTom Segura10:19

       Like, what we're doing is, you know, we have this fan base that, that loves what we do, and we're just taking it on the live shows to another level. So, like, we spend money on production. We shoot original content. We hired, like, this crazy, the best makeup artist, did prosthetics and made Christina look like a, like a, like a real whore.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:37

       (laughs)

   22. TSTom Segura10:37

       And, uh, and it was great. And, um, and then we can do these uncensored clips, which you can't do on, really, any other platform.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:44

       Right.

   24. TSTom Segura10:45

       And we control it, and, and it's, it's c- you know, it's part of the ticket. It's like, we're gonna do XYZ, and we're gonna try to deliver on all these things. And we had, like, musical guests. You know, we've had, um, Marcus King Band was on the last one, and yeah, there's, that's ...

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:58

       Who's that girl?

   26. TSTom Segura10:59

       That's Christina.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:59

       No. (laughs)

   28. TSTom Segura11:01

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:01

       Really?

   30. TSTom Segura11:01

       Yeah.
6. 16:29 – 22:15

   How it started in the pandemic: rejecting streaming standup, inventing ticket value, and aiming for a feature

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:29

      So, when you decided to start doing this, like, what was the initial plan? Like, where, where did it come from?

   2. TSTom Segura16:34

      The, the plan came from the fact that... I mean, honestly, it, it really happened a total accident. It was... We were... It's during the pandemic and, you know, touring stopped, which, like you were saying, you know, it affected us all differently. I was bummed out by that, you know?

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:47

      Yeah.

   4. TSTom Segura16:47

      You forget, like, how much you are used to doing standup all the time. It's just like going to the gym or ju-... You know what I mean?

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:54

      Mm-hmm.

   6. TSTom Segura16:54

      Like, it's like getting up and getting breakfast. Like, it's so n-... It's so-

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:57

      Right.

   8. TSTom Segura16:57

      ... required part of your day almost, right? And so, it'd been a few months and, and the idea came... My agent called me and he goes, "Would you do a t-"... 'Cause, you know, people were doing live or, or streaming ticketed standup shows.

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:10

      Yeah.

   10. TSTom Segura17:10

       And I was like, "Fuck that. I'm not doing that." I just was completely opposed to it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:14

       Yeah, I saw people that were good comics that did that.

   12. TSTom Segura17:16

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:16

       And it was terrible.

   14. TSTom Segura17:17

       And I was like, "Nah." I mean, you couldn't even... You couldn't talk me into it. I was like, "There's no way I'm doing that, man."

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       Yeah.

   16. TSTom Segura17:22

       Standing in the fucking closet like, "How's everybody doing tonight?" No, I'm not doing that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       (laughs)

   18. TSTom Segura17:26

       So, get outta here, man. So, I was like, "I'm definitely not doing that." And he goes, "What if you did the podcast?" And I go, "Okay." And I was thinking about we've done live podcasts, in other words, at a venue, right? And I was like, "Yeah, but that has the element of the audience." So, what could we do, basically, to make it... What justifies a ticket?

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:46

       Right.

   20. TSTom Segura17:46

       So then that's... This is how, like, the things came about. And the first thing we thought of is that... You know, we do a cl-... We, we do a clip show every week where we play audio/video clips. And you go, "But we have restrictions." Like, there's... Sometimes we play a video that we see in our studio, but we can't show you, like, on YouTube.

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:02

       Right.

   22. TSTom Segura18:03

       Right? So, the whole thing was like, oh, we could find one of these, uh, platforms that'll let us do uncensored clips. So, that was just, like, the first thing. And we go, "Okay, we could do uncensored clips. That'd be really fun to be able to actually show them." And then the idea came, "Well, we should, we should do sketches. Like, we should do stuff to raise the value of the whole ticket." And so it just kinda built like that.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:21

       And so now you guys actually sit down, you have meetings-

   24. TSTom Segura18:25

       Oh, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:25

       ... you produce it. It's like-

   26. TSTom Segura18:25

       I had to hire more producers, digital-

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:28

       Wow.

   28. TSTom Segura18:28

       ... content guys, a development guy. Like, yeah. And, and the goal is that we're, you know, we are gearing towards shooting, like, a feature.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:35

       Wow.

   30. TSTom Segura18:35

       Because... And, and it'll basically, it'll be funded by fans. You know?
7. 22:15 – 37:47

   Podcast business realities: Apple download rumors, stream vs. subscribe metrics, and inflated numbers

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:15

      Well, I keep hearing this rumor that Apple's gonna try to do that with podcasts. They're gonna try to have some sort of a streaming service.

   2. TSTom Segura22:19

      I heard that too. I don't know if that's true though.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:22

      Yeah, I don't know if it's true either, but it... But here's what would be interesting, if they decide... And I think this is also a rumor, that they were going to make it so that downloads only count if you specifically download it, not if you subscribe.

   4. TSTom Segura22:39

      Oh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:40

      Yeah.

   6. TSTom Segura22:40

      That'll affect some numbers.

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:41

      That'll change everything 'cause there is maybe 20 podcasts that I subscribe to that I never listen to.

   8. TSTom Segura22:48

      Yeah, same.

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:49

      Right?

   10. TSTom Segura22:49

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:49

       So they're getting downloaded into your phone and they count as a st- as a download, but I don't listen to them.

   12. TSTom Segura22:54

       And so in that case, would that... That wouldn't be a download because you didn't...

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:57

       Wouldn't be a download.

   14. TSTom Segura22:58

       Wow.

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:58

       So you'd have to actively download it.

   16. TSTom Segura23:00

       Wow.

   17. JRJoe Rogan23:01

       So you'd have to go to it and purposely say, "Oh, the new," you know, whatever. Two Bears, One Cave.

   18. TSTom Segura23:07

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan23:08

       Click.

   20. TSTom Segura23:09

       Wow.

   21. JRJoe Rogan23:09

       You have to do that, which-

   22. TSTom Segura23:09

       That'll definitely affect things.

   23. JRJoe Rogan23:10

       People are terrified of that.

   24. TSTom Segura23:12

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:12

       Terrified.

   26. TSTom Segura23:13

       And they're, they're saying they're gonna do that?

   27. JRJoe Rogan23:14

       Yes. Very different.

   28. TSTom Segura23:15

       That'll change everyone's ad sales, for sure.

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:17

       Oh, my God. In a huge way.

   30. TSTom Segura23:18

       Huge way.
8. 37:47 – 39:23

   Isolation and mental health: lockdown social weirdness and Tom’s hospital-room perspective

   1. JRJoe Rogan37:47

      ... the opposite is true, I mean, we're talking about just talking to people, one of the weirdest things has been getting in contact with people that haven't gone out and haven't been around people-

   2. TSTom Segura37:57

      Oh, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan37:57

      ... during the entire pandemic. There's quite a few of them like that. Like-

   4. TSTom Segura38:00

      And they become strange.

   5. JRJoe Rogan38:02

      I had Adam Eget on the podcast before he started venturing out-

   6. TSTom Segura38:05

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan38:05

      ... and he had been locked in his home for months, by himself, single, right?

   8. TSTom Segura38:09

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan38:09

      So, and he was just, like, pale and-

   10. TSTom Segura38:11

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan38:11

       ... weirded out by everything.

   12. TSTom Segura38:12

       Yeah, his eyes were all fucking bugged out, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan38:14

       And just like, "I haven't been around anybody." I'm like, "How-, what are you doing?"

   14. TSTom Segura38:17

       It's not healthy, man.

   15. JRJoe Rogan38:18

       Oh, it's terrible. There's, how many people are like that, that are in this country right now that have just, like, this weird mental health-

   16. TSTom Segura38:24

       Dude-

   17. JRJoe Rogan38:25

       ... moment?

   18. TSTom Segura38:25

       ... you know, I thought about this when I was, like, in the hospital and then in, in recovery. And I know it's not as extreme as, as what I'm gonna compare it to, but it made me think a lot about the effects of isolation.

   19. JRJoe Rogan38:39

       Mm-hmm.

   20. TSTom Segura38:39

       Because I was basically in a room, one of two rooms, for three weeks, and my communication with people would be short, you know? Someone checks on you, "Oh, I'll check your vitals," and leaves.

   21. JRJoe Rogan38:53

       Mm-hmm.

   22. TSTom Segura38:53

       And you're just alone. It starts to fuck with your head, man.

   23. JRJoe Rogan38:56

       What were you doing for fun in there?

   24. TSTom Segura38:57

       Pff, no, I mean, not much, man. Like, I mean-

   25. JRJoe Rogan39:00

       Just-

   26. TSTom Segura39:00

       ... I'd have my phone, a TV, you know? Like...

   27. JRJoe Rogan39:05

       And the TV is, like, in the hospital, so what kinda channels did they have?

   28. TSTom Segura39:07

       No, so that was, that, that was, like, um, yeah, that's bullshit. You were like, "How many fucking Korean channels are here in LA?"

   29. JRJoe Rogan39:13

       (laughs)

   30. TSTom Segura39:13

       So, (laughs) like, they have, they have, like, a, a, like, a bank of channels for each language, so you're, like, there's, like, six channels in Farsi and then six in Korean, you know, and they have t-
9. 39:23 – 57:23

   The dunk contest disaster: patellar tendon snap, humerus break, and the ‘wrong hospital’ instinct

   1. JRJoe Rogan39:23

      We should probably tell people what happened to you, for people who don't know or don't pay attention, you and Bert were doing this dunk challenge.

   2. TSTom Segura39:30

      Well, we, we, so we were shooting content for our live show, which was a-

   3. JRJoe Rogan39:33

      Yeah.

   4. TSTom Segura39:33

      ... New Year's Eve live. So that was, like, exciting. We had done one before where, um, we played tennis and we, you know, we had, like, just goofy shit and was fucking around and we shot some s- sketches and stuff. So we, (laughs) we had this idea, we're like, we competed, "Let's compete. Let's do basketball, and then we'll do a dunk contest. We'll lower the rim and raise it and see who can dunk on the highest rim, and that'll be part of the competition," you know?

   5. JRJoe Rogan40:01

      Oh, how dare you, Jamie?

   6. TSTom Segura40:02

      Uh.

   7. NANarrator40:02

      This is him actually dunking. This was the video-

   8. JRJoe Rogan40:04

      Oh.

   9. NANarrator40:04

      ... he just put out-

   10. TSTom Segura40:04

       Oh.

   11. NANarrator40:04

       ... where they were doing it before that.

   12. TSTom Segura40:05

       Oh, yeah, that's that day. Yeah, that's that day.

   13. JRJoe Rogan40:07

       How high is that one?

   14. TSTom Segura40:08

       That one's, like, eight, right? And then...

   15. JRJoe Rogan40:11

       What's regulation?

   16. TSTom Segura40:12

       Ten. And then-

   17. JRJoe Rogan40:14

       Can you dunk at ten?

   18. TSTom Segura40:15

       No. I d- I dunked at nine, though. That's why I beat Bert.

   19. JRJoe Rogan40:18

       Mm-hmm.

   20. TSTom Segura40:18

       So this is, like, eight and a half, right there. And then the nine, this is nine right here. Right? So I beat him. He couldn't do it. And it was over. That's-

   21. JRJoe Rogan40:28

       Hm.

   22. TSTom Segura40:28

       ... over right there.

   23. JRJoe Rogan40:28

       And then you did...

   24. TSTom Segura40:30

       So right there, they're all like, "Oh," and Bert's like, "Holy shit," 'cause he couldn't do it, and I'm like, "Oh, it's over." And there's Tristan Jass, who he went with, who's, like, a really talented kid, basketball... I'm- I'm- I won. One, excuse me, I won. And, uh, and then right after this, one of those guys goes, uh, "I think you got it, you can go a little higher."

   25. JRJoe Rogan40:49

       (sucks through teeth)

   26. TSTom Segura40:50

       And I was like, "Phew." I remember, I, I felt the adrenaline. You know when someone's like, "You got this," and you're like, "Phew." Like, you feel it, like, your throat kinda tighten up?

   27. JRJoe Rogan40:57

       Yeah.

   28. TSTom Segura40:57

       You know? And that was, they raised it three inches.

   29. JRJoe Rogan41:01

       That's it?

   30. TSTom Segura41:01

       From, from that, nine-three. So, you know, just, 'cause I, I, I, I didn't have a lot more room. I was like, "Ah," that was, like, it was clean, but I was like, "I can't, I can't go that much higher." And just on the push-off, push-off on the left foot, my left patellar tendon snapped.
10. 57:23 – 1:06:08

    Rehab science and reality: nerve recovery timelines, PT, peptides, and ‘rituals’ of healing

    1. JRJoe Rogan57:23

       Now, did you, um, look into peptides or anything else?

    2. TSTom Segura57:27

       Yeah. Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan57:27

       I-m has any of that stuff helped you?

    4. TSTom Segura57:28

       I mean, I've taken 'em and, uh, I, I feel better. I feel good, you know, and I'm, like, you know, I'm eating really clean. I'm, I-

    5. JRJoe Rogan57:35

       You look good.

    6. TSTom Segura57:36

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan57:36

       I was saying when I, as soon as I saw you-

    8. TSTom Segura57:37

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan57:37

       ... like, you look thin.

    10. TSTom Segura57:38

        Yeah? Oh, thanks, man.

    11. JRJoe Rogan57:39

        Like, your face looks healthy.

    12. TSTom Segura57:40

        Yeah. I feel, I feel good. And, um, I, you know, the truth is I don't know what effect (laughs) the peptides have. I take them.

    13. JRJoe Rogan57:47

        Right.

    14. TSTom Segura57:48

        And, um, I, I, religiously, like, I follow that schedule.

    15. JRJoe Rogan57:51

        Mm-hmm.

    16. TSTom Segura57:51

        But to me, it all feels like part of, kinda the ritual of rehab.

    17. JRJoe Rogan57:55

        Mm-hmm.

    18. TSTom Segura57:55

        So, like, it's, like, it's part, it's m- uh, it's dieting. It's exercise, peptide, like, all that is part of the recovery.

    19. JRJoe Rogan58:02

        And are you doing the rehab through a physical therapist? Do you, you doing that?

    20. TSTom Segura58:04

        Yeah. Yeah. I got a great one.

    21. JRJoe Rogan58:06

        How many days a week you doing that?

    22. TSTom Segura58:07

        We, we were at three days a week, then we went down to two. Um, and then, like, now, I don't really need, I don't need rehab anymore on my leg. I, I mean, I need to work out and get it stronger, which I do, but I don't need her to, to rehab it. Dr. Karen Joubert, she's awesome. Um, but she's been doing some of my, uh, like, shoulder/arm stuff, uh, working on this. But, uh, the leg is pretty much, like, just getting stronger now.

    23. JRJoe Rogan58:31

        Yeah, you just look normal when you're walking around.

    24. TSTom Segura58:33

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan58:33

        You don't have a limp at all.

    26. TSTom Segura58:34

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan58:34

        Which was surprising. I was, like, wondering-

    28. TSTom Segura58:36

        Yeah, it's only four months.

    29. JRJoe Rogan58:36

        ... how he was gonna walk.

    30. TSTom Segura58:37

        Yeah, yeah.

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