Joe Rogan Experience #1633 - Ali Macofsky

1. 0:00 – 1:55

   Playful catch-up: ‘kid’ status, dating lingo, and meeting a boyfriend on Tinder

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) And hello, Ali.

   4. AMAli Macofsky0:17

      Hi, Joe.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      What's going on, kid? How you living?

   6. AMAli Macofsky0:19

      Not much. I'm still-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      I can call you kid for five more years.

   8. AMAli Macofsky0:21

      Do I really get it that long?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      Yeah, you get it to 30, 'cause I'm 53. I'm an old man.

   10. AMAli Macofsky0:26

       I think-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       I can call you kid, I can call you kid into your late, late 30s.

   12. AMAli Macofsky0:29

       Yeah, 'cause you'll always be older than me.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Yes, always. You'll always be a kid.

   14. AMAli Macofsky0:32

       I think kid should stop when I'm off my parent insurance in September.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       (laughs)

   16. AMAli Macofsky0:38

       And then you'll call me an adult and I'll break my arm, and I'll be like, "Joe, can you help?"

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       (laughs) I remember, um, when I was a kid I would hear... when I was a kid, when I was in my 20s I would hear men that were in their late 30s and 40s calling their significant other, their girlfriend. And I was like, "That's a 39-year-old woman. That's not a girl." What the fuck?

   18. AMAli Macofsky0:56

       Well, now everyone's doing the partner thing.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Oh, that's-

   20. AMAli Macofsky1:00

       I used to talk shit about it, 'cause I, I would have like straight friends who were like, "This is my partner." And I'm like, "It's your boyfriend."

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       Yeah.

   22. AMAli Macofsky1:07

       But now I kind of like it because girlfriend/boyfriend, it sounds so corny. I actually got booed up, Joe.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       You got booed up?

   24. AMAli Macofsky1:13

       Yeah, I'm booed up.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       What does that mean?

   26. AMAli Macofsky1:14

       I got a boyfriend.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       Oh, you got a boyfriend.

   28. AMAli Macofsky1:16

       I have a boyfriend.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       That's what booed up means?

   30. AMAli Macofsky1:17

       Yeah, you're booed up.
2. 1:55 – 3:46

   Surprise COVID diagnosis and distrust in early testing (false negatives)

   1. AMAli Macofsky1:55

      You don't know you have it. I just found out that I had COVID here.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:58

      Yeah, we found out just an hour ago, or 20 minutes ago. What's really crazy is that you didn't have any idea.

   3. AMAli Macofsky2:04

      I had no idea. I mean, there was-

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:05

      Were you sick a little?

   5. AMAli Macofsky2:06

      I was sick.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:07

      Like how sick?

   7. AMAli Macofsky2:07

      Because I thought that I just had like a cold, and I felt like really lethargic, but I'm a pretty lethargic person in general. So I'm like, "Is this normal lethargy or like for real?" And so I was like laying in bed, you know, taking like Tylenol or whatever and just kind of like trying to ride it out. But I was going to a place... This is what I think is so flawed is, because COVID was so... we found out so immediately, it was like people were just coming out with testing centers that weren't fully, um, prepared. And so I was going to this place in LA getting tested regularly, and I was getting negatives every time. And then an article came out that that specific testing center had a lot of false negatives.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:52

      Huh.

   9. AMAli Macofsky2:54

      So I thought I didn't have it, but there was part of me that was like, "This could be it," but I tested negative.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       Wh- why did that particular testing center have a lot of false negatives? I mean...

   11. AMAli Macofsky3:02

       Because the guy who create- it's called Curative Core, um, and the guy who started it, I guess, was like a tech dude in SF, and when COVID hit he's like, "Here's a money opportunity for me. I'll just get a bunch of tests, make them happen quickly." And so he did that, and he made it happen, but there were a lot of false negatives reported.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:23

       Huh.

   13. AMAli Macofsky3:23

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       I wonder what he used-

   15. AMAli Macofsky3:26

       I don't know.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:26

       ... like for testing. That's... Hmm.

   17. AMAli Macofsky3:30

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:30

       That's bad.

   19. AMAli Macofsky3:32

       It is bad.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:32

       That, that, that's... 'cause you get false confidence, you know?

   21. AMAli Macofsky3:34

       Totally. And that's the thing is I was like trying to... Obviously when I got sick, I'm like there, there's a chance that it could be COVID, so I'm not gonna like be raging or anything when I'm not feeling good.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:46

       Yeah.

3. 3:46 – 5:19

   Family risk, living with parents, and how easily young people can infect older relatives

   1. AMAli Macofsky3:46

      And so I just laid low, but that would be such a fear for me is like going over to see my parents.

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:51

      Mm-hmm.

   3. AMAli Macofsky3:51

      'Cause there's this weird thing where like young people my age and like boomers, my parents' age, they both kind of don't give a fuck about COVID, some of them. My parents care, but they're like... My sister... Oh, she doesn't want me talking about it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:02

      (laughs)

   5. AMAli Macofsky4:04

      My sister didn't have COVID, but hypothetically if she did around Christmastime, she's gonna be so mad. Fuck.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:11

      Don't say it.

   7. AMAli Macofsky4:12

      She didn't have COVID, but if she did my mom was like, my mom was like, "If you test positive before COVID, just wear a mask over to my house."

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:18

      Wow.

   9. AMAli Macofsky4:19

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       Your mom's risky.

   11. AMAli Macofsky4:21

       She's a little risky gal. That's where I get it from.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:23

       She's a risky lady.

   13. AMAli Macofsky4:24

       Crazy ladies in the-

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       Yeah.

   15. AMAli Macofsky4:25

       ... in the Makovsky home.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       Mm. Yeah, it's, um, this, that's the big fear. Like I'd heard about this one kid who was, uh, 21 who, uh, was out partying, wasn't paying a- any attention at all and almost killed his dad.

   17. AMAli Macofsky4:39

       Wow.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:39

       Yeah, he got it and barely knew he had it, and his dad got it real bad. And his dad was in the hospital, and it was just horrific, and, you know, they were just so worried that the kid was gonna kill his dad.

   19. AMAli Macofsky4:48

       W-

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:48

       And he didn't. The dad di- not that he was gonna kill his dad, COVID did.

   21. AMAli Macofsky4:52

       COVID.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:52

       But I mean, if you're living with your parents and you're just out there getting buck wild and you're 21 years old...

   23. AMAli Macofsky4:57

       Well, and so many people were moving back in with their parents during this time-

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:01

       Mm-hmm.

   25. AMAli Macofsky5:01

       ... 'cause they're not making money, you know?

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:03

       Right.

   27. AMAli Macofsky5:03

       I was thinking about it. I stayed with my mom the first two months, and I was like, "Should I just live with her?" But I, you know, I, I can't do that, but...

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       You wanna still love her.

   29. AMAli Macofsky5:11

       I wanna love her, yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       Yeah.
4. 5:19 – 6:55

   Ambien stories: sleepwalking, memory gaps, and extreme side effects

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:19

      Especially if you take Ambien.

   2. AMAli Macofsky5:21

      I don't take Ambien.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:22

      Good for you. That stuff, you, you know, people-

   4. AMAli Macofsky5:23

      I watch reality shows.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:24

      ... do a lot of that on Ambien. Like one guy, um, I think this was an Ambien thing. It might have been a sleepwalking thing. I, I'm pre- pretty sure it was an Ambien thing. I think he drove to someone's house and murdered them and then came home and didn't know he did it. God, I'm trying to remember the specifics of the story because, uh... Kevin James.

   6. AMAli Macofsky5:45

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:46

      My friend Kevin.

   8. AMAli Macofsky5:46

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:46

      You know, from King of Queens.

   10. AMAli Macofsky5:47

       Of course I know Kevin.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:48

       Hilarious comedian. He, uh, he used to take the Ambien, and he had some experiences, one of them where he cooked dinner and didn't realize it, and he lit- literally thought someone broke into his house and cooked.

   12. AMAli Macofsky5:59

       (laughs) He's like, "Dude, I hire a private chef."

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:01

       'Cause you just, you just forget, like, like big chunks. Okay, here it is.What is it? What was he saying here? "A forensic psychologist and two psychiatrists were involved in the two cases discussed." So, what are the cases? "In at least three cases, a person with no apparent motive and no history of violence brutally murdered a spouse or close friend in the wee hours after taking more than the recommended dose of zolpidem."

   14. GUGuest6:26

       I'm pretty sure it's the same thing.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:27

       Is that the same as, uh, Ambien?

   16. AMAli Macofsky6:29

       Yeah.

   17. GUGuest6:29

       I typed in "Ambien murders," and this is-

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       Oh.

   19. GUGuest6:31

       ... what I got led to.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       "Zolpidem, along with other psychotropic medications." The... Yeah, that's the thing with a lot of that stuff is if you combine them together, like maybe you could combine it together and you'd have no problem. But maybe if Jamie combined it together, he'd have a wildly different reaction and start merking people.

   21. AMAli Macofsky6:48

       Jamie, let's test it out tonight.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       (laughs)

   23. GUGuest6:51

       (laughs)

   24. AMAli Macofsky6:51

       Go to 6th Street, walk around town, pop a couple Ambs.

5. 6:55 – 10:53

   Relationship details and adult logistics: tattoos, timelines, and a harsh tax lesson

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:55

      So, tell me about this fella.

   2. AMAli Macofsky6:57

      Oh, my gosh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:57

      How, how'd you meet? You met him on-

   4. AMAli Macofsky6:58

      Well-

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:58

      ... T-Tinder.

   6. AMAli Macofsky6:59

      I met him on Tinder. Well, it's funny because last time I was on your podcast, I was talking about how I like a lanky, skinny boy who needs me to snuggle for body heat.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:07

      (laughs)

   8. AMAli Macofsky7:07

      You know, that's my kind. Like, a breakable boy. And I found him. He's-

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:12

      H- he's a breakable boy?

   10. AMAli Macofsky7:13

       ... 6'3", small guy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:15

       How much does he weigh?

   12. AMAli Macofsky7:16

       Has a lot of shitty tattoos. We have that in common.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:20

       Nice. (laughs)

   14. AMAli Macofsky7:20

       I don't know how much he weighs. I was gonna say 130, but that would be way off. He's like, one t- 170.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       Oh, so he's a fairly s- sturdy fella.

   16. AMAli Macofsky7:28

       He's sturdy enough.

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:28

       You're probably not gonna break him.

   18. AMAli Macofsky7:30

       Eh. Yeah, I'm working on it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:31

       How long you guys been together?

   20. AMAli Macofsky7:33

       Uh, five, five months-

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:34

       Whoa.

   22. AMAli Macofsky7:35

       ... which is like five years in Ally time.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:37

       In Ally time, that's like... That's a lifetime. That's-

   24. AMAli Macofsky7:39

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       When you, when are yous popping the ring?

   26. AMAli Macofsky7:42

       (sighs) I don't want to get married.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:43

       Oh, ever?

   28. AMAli Macofsky7:44

       I don't know. Maybe at some point. B- but I'm like a... I'm a slow and steady type of gal. I want to focus on myself. I don't want to, like, get distracted by, like, you know, like, uh, weddings and, like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:56

       I get it (laughs) .

   30. AMAli Macofsky7:56

       ... dresses.
6. 10:53 – 12:34

   Life as a headliner: travel planning, promotion, and dealing with bad openers

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:53

      Like, what are the other outside things?

   2. AMAli Macofsky10:55

      I feel like now, with, I don't know, just like, f- like booking my own flights to get to shows, or, like, promoting my own shows, and ticket sales, and, um... I don't know, just all these, like, weird things that come up along the way. Like, when I came to Texas, I'm like, "Am I supposed to rent a car? Do I fly to each place? Like, where do I..." I don't know. I just-

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:15

      You didn't know about all that? 'Cause you were going with other people before.

   4. AMAli Macofsky11:18

      Before, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:19

      Yeah.

   6. AMAli Macofsky11:19

      I'd go with Santino on the road, Tony, and so, I just had to show up, be on time, bring a suitcase.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:25

      Right, yeah.

   8. AMAli Macofsky11:25

      Have some underwear to change into, you know? That's pretty much all I had to do. And now, I'm... Now, I'm the dude trying to figure out all the plans.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:33

      Right, and now you're headlining.

   10. AMAli Macofsky11:35

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:35

       And so, you also have to deal with shitty middle acts.

   12. AMAli Macofsky11:40

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       Ooh.

   14. AMAli Macofsky11:41

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:41

       Have you done Florida yet?

   16. AMAli Macofsky11:43

       I love Florida. I have not done, like, an official headlining spot there.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:48

       I love Florida, too. They have the worst acts ever to open for you.

   18. AMAli Macofsky11:51

       I-

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:51

       It's almost like they do it on purpose.

   20. AMAli Macofsky11:52

       100%. My buddy, Shaw, lives out there. Worst dude I've ever seen.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:56

       (laughs)

   22. AMAli Macofsky11:56

       I love him.

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:57

       Don't say that online.

   24. AMAli Macofsky11:58

       He's not, he's not. I'm, I'm, I'm giving him a hard time. He's great. I love him.

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:02

       There's something about Florida road acts, though, where you're just like, "Jesus." Like, you, you can't listen.

   26. AMAli Macofsky12:07

       Hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:07

       You have to, you have to hide.

   28. AMAli Macofsky12:09

       That's the thing about, like...... being in a major city like LA or New York is you can be shitty in LA or New York, you know. There's plenty of people who suck at comedy in big places, you know.

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:20

       Yeah.

   30. AMAli Macofsky12:21

       But you're surrounded by people who are also very good. So, you either grow out of that and, like, keep working and growing over time, or-
7. 12:34 – 15:54

   Austin’s appeal and the ‘comedian migration’ debate (Austin vs Nashville vs LA)

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:34

      Yeah. Well, I think Miami has a community now. I was there a few years back and they were telling me that there's, like, a pretty decent community in Miami. I know Schulz is in Miami now, and he's been doing a lot of gigs. You know, I think, um, it's just, uh, cities need a scene, you know. If they don't have a scene... Austin has a very nice scene.

   2. AMAli Macofsky12:52

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:52

      You know, like, even though, uh, Cap City went under, there's still plenty... There's, like, a couple of new local clubs. There's this, this Sunset Strip club. There's the Romo Room. There's, um, Vulcan Gas Company. The Paramount is still doing shows.

   4. AMAli Macofsky13:07

      I just saw Marc Norman last night.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:08

      He was there this weekend. Yeah. Yeah.

   6. AMAli Macofsky13:09

      Yeah. I went to his show. It was so funny.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:11

      Oh, he was there last night too?

   8. AMAli Macofsky13:12

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:12

      Oh, I didn't know he was there last night.

   10. AMAli Macofsky13:12

       I think they added a show, so I went.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:15

       Shit.

   12. AMAli Macofsky13:15

       Oh, it was so fun. Eddie Pepitone was just here. He was at The Creek and The Cave.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       Yeah, that's the new one, right?

   14. AMAli Macofsky13:21

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:22

       That's... How many does that seat? Seats, like, 90 or something?

   16. AMAli Macofsky13:24

       I don't know. It's pretty intimate, 'cause right now they just have the outdoor space.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:27

       Mm-hmm.

   18. AMAli Macofsky13:27

       I think they're working on the indoor space.

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:29

       Oh, they have an outdoor space?

   20. AMAli Macofsky13:30

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:30

       Oh, so it was an outdoor show.

   22. AMAli Macofsky13:31

       It was an outdoor show.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:33

       The scene here's good. Like, when we've done Kill Tony here, the local opening acts are very funny.

   24. AMAli Macofsky13:38

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:38

       There's, like, a good amount of r- real good talent in this city.

   26. AMAli Macofsky13:42

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:42

       So, it's cool.

   28. AMAli Macofsky13:43

       Yeah. I'm gonna go tonight to Kill Tony.

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:45

       Nice.

   30. AMAli Macofsky13:46

       I'm excited.
8. 15:54 – 24:34

   Snack/food riffs: Takis, Tex-Mex, queso science, and holiday bagel comas

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:54

      Hot Cheetos are fucking surprisingly good.

   2. AMAli Macofsky15:56

      Oh, have you tried Takis?

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:58

      No.

   4. AMAli Macofsky15:58

      Oh, it's like... I was, like, a loyal Hot Cheetos gal. Hot Cheetos were the best, and then I tried Takis, and I was like-

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:04

      What is a Taki? How do you spell it?

   6. AMAli Macofsky16:06

      T-A-K-I-apostrophe-S.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:08

      Oh.

   8. AMAli Macofsky16:09

      And they have all these cr-... There's, like, a blue one that's psycho. I haven't tried that, but... It's almost like a Frito, like a, like a corn chip-

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:17

      Mm-hmm.

   10. AMAli Macofsky16:18

       ... but it's rolled up into a little roll, and then they have hot dust all over it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:22

       Hot dust? Okay.

   12. AMAli Macofsky16:23

       I don't know what the ingredient is for that, but it gets my butthole going every time.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       (laughs) Whoo.

   14. AMAli Macofsky16:27

       I love it. You need to wake up, you're just, like, throwing some Takis, get set.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       Yeah. They have ridiculous Tex-Mex out here. Just a lot of that.

   16. AMAli Macofsky16:37

       Yeah. It's like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       It's, it's a weird combination of, you know, Mexican food and whatever they're doing to it, they call it Tex-Mex.

   18. AMAli Macofsky16:44

       Yeah. Texican-Mexican.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:45

       A lot of queso. Like, queso, for whatever reason, I don't understand this, never caught on outside of Texas.

   20. AMAli Macofsky16:53

       Do you think it's 'cause it's just not good enough? It's, like, one of those things where-

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       No, it's fucking amazing.

   22. AMAli Macofsky16:58

       It's really good. I know.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:58

       Queso's amazing. It's delicious. Queso with chips, it's so good.

   24. AMAli Macofsky17:01

       Yeah, I don't know why more people don't do it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       I don't know. It's like a... But I don't think it's a real cheese.

   26. GUGuest17:07

       Is there a difference between queso and nachos?

   27. AMAli Macofsky17:10

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:10

       Yeah, you fucking communist. Jesus Christ.

   29. GUGuest17:12

       I'm asking. What is it?

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       (laughs)
9. 24:34 – 29:32

   Body image, stage wardrobe, objectifying DMs, and ‘seasons of lesbianism’

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:34

      Do you wish you had better lips?

   2. AMAli Macofsky24:36

      Um-

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:36

      Maybe you wouldn't be as funny if you were hotter.

   4. AMAli Macofsky24:38

      I know. I know.

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:39

      ... think about it.

   6. AMAli Macofsky24:39

      When I... Yeah. I know. It's hard.

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:41

      Think about it.

   8. AMAli Macofsky24:41

      It's a hard balance. You don't want to be some, you know, garbage troll.

   9. JRJoe Rogan24:46

      Mm-hmm.

   10. AMAli Macofsky24:48

       But you don't want to be too sexy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan24:50

       You gotta keep it-

   12. AMAli Macofsky24:50

       I had a guy tell me after a show, he said, "I don't get why you dress down on stage." And I'm like, "What do you want me to do, wear a bikini on stage? Do you want to throw money at me?" I'll take getting thrown money at, but...

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:02

       I think men just try to find a way to criticize a girl to put her on her heels, so that, like, you get a little defensive. And so, you're not... Y- you know, you feel uncomfortable. So, he probably feels uncomfortable, so he wants you to feel uncomfortable. So he says something like that, like, "Why don't you dress nicer?" And you're like, "Oh, what? Why don't I dress ni-" So, then you get defensive-

   14. AMAli Macofsky25:21

       I don't give a fuck about what people say about how I dress.

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:24

       Wow, look at you.

   16. AMAli Macofsky25:25

       I mean, I probably do. I'm, like, crying at night, "Why did he say I look like that?"

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:29

       But you know what it is? It's like inside, that's probably the little psychological game he's playing. He probably doesn't feel comfortable with the fact that he's insecure around you. So, uh... Plus, he sees you vaping, you look kind of cool. Blow it out. Show everybody. Yeah.

   18. AMAli Macofsky25:43

       What's up, Post Malone?

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:45

       Who gives a fuck about lung damage?

   20. AMAli Macofsky25:47

       Yeah. I, uh... Yeah, it's so interesting because it's like, I get... I would... I get objectified looking like, you know, whatever he thinks I look like. A- a troll on stage, you know? Like, so if I'm trying to do it up and show off my body and, like, look really sexy on stage, which just... That doesn't feel comfortable to me. I like wearing baggy pants, I like wearing baggy shirts. Like, I just feel good when I just look like that. And so, if I'm already getting objectified-

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:14

       How are you getting objectified?

   22. AMAli Macofsky26:16

       Just, like, DMs and comments and stuff.

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:18

       Is that objectified or is it just being hit on? 'Cause if it's a guy-

   24. AMAli Macofsky26:22

       I don't know.

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:22

       ... are you being objectified if girls send you DMs? Are you being objectified?

   26. AMAli Macofsky26:25

       I don't know about the ins and outs. That's just the word I know.

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:27

       The prob-... That- that objectified is a weird thing because it's like this pejorative that always gets used, and I'm not always sure if it's the accurate thing to say. 'Cause for sure men do objectify women sometimes. Like, some men look at a woman like, "Oh, I just want to stick it in your hole."

   28. AMAli Macofsky26:42

       Well, that's what my messages are for sure.

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:44

       I want to stick it in your hole. That's it?

   30. AMAli Macofsky26:45

       Oh, yeah. So... Yeah. Oh, yeah.
10. 29:32 – 44:47

    Hair norms, grooming double standards, and the origin of women shaving (plus ‘radium girls’)

    1. JRJoe Rogan29:32

       The leg hair thing is very strange. If you just stop and think about it, like, guys don't have to do jack shit about their leg hair.

    2. AMAli Macofsky29:38

       No.

    3. JRJoe Rogan29:38

       And no one cares.

    4. AMAli Macofsky29:39

       No one gives a fuck.

    5. JRJoe Rogan29:40

       But girls-

    6. AMAli Macofsky29:40

       And no one talks about... Guys...

    7. JRJoe Rogan29:43

       Hear this.

    8. AMAli Macofsky29:44

       This is how you know I'm about to say some real shit. Guys always talk crap about girls not being, uh, kept up down there and shaved or whatever these guys y- my age are into. They want Mr. Clean down in the pants, you know? And, like-

    9. JRJoe Rogan30:00

       They want your bush trimmed.

    10. AMAli Macofsky30:02

        Yeah. They want it... They want it bald.

    11. JRJoe Rogan30:04

        That's how-

    12. AMAli Macofsky30:04

        They want a bald eagle.

    13. JRJoe Rogan30:06

        Okay.

    14. AMAli Macofsky30:06

        But then they have the nastiest balls, and girls are like-

    15. JRJoe Rogan30:09

        (laughs)

    16. AMAli Macofsky30:09

        ... "Oh, it'd be an honor to give you a blowjob." That shit's disgusting. It's different hair than your regular hair. It's thick. Your... I didn't even know that balls changed texture in different weather. It's-

    17. JRJoe Rogan30:20

        What?

    18. AMAli Macofsky30:21

        Yeah, like... Like the-

    19. JRJoe Rogan30:22

        What?

    20. AMAli Macofsky30:22

        Like the skin.

    21. JRJoe Rogan30:23

        Changes texture?

    22. AMAli Macofsky30:24

        Kind of. It's like... It just like... It- it looks like an alien. It's so... Jamie knows what I'm talking about. Jamie's giving me a little-

    23. JRJoe Rogan30:30

        Jamie, do your balls change texture in different weather?

    24. GUGuest30:32

        Nah, not really. I don't think so.

    25. JRJoe Rogan30:33

        I don't see how.

    26. AMAli Macofsky30:33

        Jamie. Jamie, stay on my side.

    27. GUGuest30:34

        You ever did that guy we saw with Tom Segura's had a little different texture, but-

    28. JRJoe Rogan30:38

        Oh, yeah. That was rough.

    29. GUGuest30:39

        ... it's a unique situation.

    30. JRJoe Rogan30:40

        The guy with the giant balls? Yeah.
11. 44:47 – 1:15:05

    War profiteering and politics fatigue: Smedley Butler, border policy, and ‘woke’ tribalism

    1. JRJoe Rogan44:47

       Smedley Butler, that ... I think he wrote that in the '30s.

    2. GUGuest44:51

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan44:51

       War Is Just a Racket. There-

    4. AMAli Macofsky44:52

       I like that name.

    5. JRJoe Rogan44:54

       You should read that book. It's terrifying, because it just shows you that this guy who was a loyal Marine and a soldier and who had, you know, d- been to war and had realized later in his life that he had risked his life for bankers and to make industry available in certain countries and that he had been lied to. And then he wrote a book called War Is Just a Racket, and it's an amazing book because if you look at what he wrote in 19 ... I wanna say it's '37. When, when did that come out?

    6. GUGuest45:27

       35.

    7. JRJoe Rogan45:27

       35. If you look at what he wrote in 1935, it's applicable today all around the world, like, what this guy was trying to expose about the real motivations, why politicians lead s- soldiers into war. Very little of it is about your safety and your health. I mean, occasionally it is.

    8. AMAli Macofsky45:47

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       Like World War II, which is kind of ironic 'cause World War II is right after he wrote this where it was a war, well, we actually really did need to stop Hitler. But this, this guy wrote this book and it just shows how many military actions are n- not just unnecessary, but deceptive.

    10. AMAli Macofsky46:04

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan46:04

        And this guy realized it, like, later in his life. He's a fucking ... Wasn't he a three-star general or something like that?

    12. GUGuest46:10

        Mm, retired Marine, two-time Medal of Honor recipient.

    13. JRJoe Rogan46:14

        Yeah. H- so he was a decorated soldier. And as he was an old man, he was like, "Jesus Christ, what have I done?"

    14. AMAli Macofsky46:23

        That's crazy-

    15. JRJoe Rogan46:24

        Yeah.

    16. AMAli Macofsky46:24

        ... to do something thinking that ...

    17. JRJoe Rogan46:26

        What was really crazy is that no one else did it, and that he was really, like, the first person to publish something that became, you know, a, a popular piece of work where the, the average person like myself or you who doesn't really know that much about war-

    18. AMAli Macofsky46:41

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan46:41

        ... can read about it and go, "Holy shit. Like, this is what was really going on, that they were just making things safe for bankers, or they're clearing, you know, a way to get to national, natural resources."

    20. AMAli Macofsky46:52

        I think that's why there's so much, like, distrust in government and stuff now, because there's so many things that we realize later on, like, "Why was that so necessary?"

    21. JRJoe Rogan47:02

        Oh, for sure. Well, not only that. (sighs) I mean, you're seeing it with this administration where they're, they're doing the same things that Trump was doing. They're just pretending they're not. Like-

    22. AMAli Macofsky47:11

        They're just wearing cute jackets.

    23. JRJoe Rogan47:13

        Well, it's just the same fucking thing. Like, what they're doing ... Like, they're all ... The whole thing was like, the kids at the border. We gotta stop the, you know, these families at the border. These detentions at the border, putting people in cages. They're doing the same fucking thing. And then Ted Cruz went down to j- there to try to film it and they were asking him to stop filming, like, this Biden employee's like, "Stop filming. Stop filming, sir. Please sh- have some respect." He's like, this is ... Like, you can't just make rules like, that we can't film now-

    24. AMAli Macofsky47:39

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan47:39

        ... and that's how you're gonna stop people from talking about this. That nothing's changed. 'Cause they were pretending that Trump was doing this and that it was all Trump's fault. Well, no, it's ... The border is crazy and porous, and now that Trump's not in office, they think it's more friendly 'cause Biden's there, so more people are coming through. And they have ... A lot of them have Biden T-shirts on. Have you seen that?

    26. AMAli Macofsky48:01

        No. (laughs)

    27. JRJoe Rogan48:01

        Where they get detained? Yeah. Like, dozens and dozens-

    28. AMAli Macofsky48:04

        Like they're going to a Biden concert?

    29. JRJoe Rogan48:05

        ... of 'em. Like, they're going to a Biden rally.

    30. AMAli Macofsky48:06

        Like, "We bought the merch."

Episode duration: 3:11:34