Joe Rogan Experience #1641 - Matty Matheson

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (drumbeats)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day.

   3. NANarrator0:09

      (upbeat music) You good?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Is it on?

   5. NANarrator0:16

      Yeah. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Is it on?

   7. NANarrator0:18

      (laughs)

   8. MMMatty Matheson0:18

      The first thing I say, is, "Is the butter at-"

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Perfect for you-

   10. MMMatty Matheson0:21

       Buttered asshole.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       ... for anybody else, it would be a real issue.

   12. MMMatty Matheson0:23

       It would be.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       For you, it's on brand.

   14. MMMatty Matheson0:24

       It's on... I'm on brand.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Yeah, you're always on brand.

   16. MMMatty Matheson0:26

       I am a brand.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Dude-

   18. MMMatty Matheson0:27

       Yes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       ... speaking of on brand, you, uh, you fucked this podcast up because you stepped in here with some Franklin's brisket. My God, sir.

   20. MMMatty Matheson0:34

       Oh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       You, you, you made everybody... You put everybody into a-

   22. MMMatty Matheson0:38

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       ... sedated state.

   24. MMMatty Matheson0:40

       Well-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Franklin's brisket, by the way, may I, may I say, that was my first time eating it and-

   26. MMMatty Matheson0:43

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       ... the fucking hype is real.

   28. MMMatty Matheson0:45

       The hype is real. It's a beautiful thing. Aaron, beautiful person, beautiful brisket.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       The brisket's real.

   30. MMMatty Matheson0:49

       You're welcome. I'm trying to slow you down.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   So they were happy…

   1. MMMatty Matheson15:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      So they were happy to have everybody coming over.

   3. MMMatty Matheson15:01

      Our place was the place.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      Mm-hmm.

   5. MMMatty Matheson15:02

      You know, every Sunday there'd be, you know, football games on and barbecue and cooking and, but it would just be like, you know, everyone was there.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      Yeah.

   7. MMMatty Matheson15:11

      And, um, you know, smoking weed and doing shrooms and acid and all that fun stuff. You know? It was like the 70s, like Dazed and Confused, you know?

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:21

      Mm.

   9. MMMatty Matheson15:22

      Mm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       Mm.

   11. MMMatty Matheson15:23

       Mm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       And then-

   13. MMMatty Matheson15:23

       Dark Side of the Moon.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       ... nine years ago in 2002... (laughs)

   15. MMMatty Matheson15:27

       (laughs) Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       You just decided-

   17. MMMatty Matheson15:30

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:30

       You decided-

   19. MMMatty Matheson15:31

       No.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       ... that's a wrap.

   21. MMMatty Matheson15:32

       No. So, you know, the journey, the journey is so long, you know?

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:36

       Mm-hmm.

   23. MMMatty Matheson15:37

       Going to college, getting into like chef school, doing all that stuff.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       Chefs party hard.

   25. MMMatty Matheson15:43

       Chefs party hard.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       I learned that from partying with Bourdain.

   27. MMMatty Matheson15:45

       Yeah, I bet.

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       He would go so hard.

   29. MMMatty Matheson15:48

       Well, it's just a maintenance thing, and it's like a constant thing, and it's just like, uh, uh, you build it up and it's just-

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       It's part of the culture too.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm. …

   1. MMMatty Matheson30:00

      my friends and, like, being like, "You can't stop ..." Like, because people would try to stop me. They would like ... I would walk into a bar in, like ... 'cause I'm in the hospitality group. Like, you know, I'm in the crew. So it's just imagine, i- imagine, like, being a comedian, and somebody gets almost, like, blacklisted, but we still love you. But you can't show up here.

   2. GVGuest (secondary voice)30:18

      Mm.

   3. MMMatty Matheson30:19

      But we love you. You can do your comedy, like, by yourself out in your car, but you can't come in here.

   4. GVGuest (secondary voice)30:24

      (laughs)

   5. MMMatty Matheson30:24

      Right? And I'm just like, "Well, I wanna still go into the bar."

   6. GVGuest (secondary voice)30:27

      Right.

   7. MMMatty Matheson30:27

      I go to the bar every day. The bar is my... That's my safe place. You know, I wanna... I wanna go into the bar. Like, let me in. And everyone's like, "You're not dying here. You're not dying at my fucking bar." So then I had to start going to these, like, deeper, darker places and push myself. And... And... And... And before, when I used to do drugs, I never had to say, "Fuck it," in your head. You know when you're about to jump and you gotta be like, "Fuck it, let's go." You know? So those moments when you often have to be like... You have to push yourself. I was doing that with drugs, where I'd be like, "I know... Now I know that I could die." Before, my ego was like, "You'll never die, Matty. You're the fucking man." But now all of a sudden, my ego is a little bit shook. But my ego still is like, "Fuck you. You're gonna keep doing this." And so I had to keep doing it and I had to keep saying, "Fuck you," to myself. So every time that I started doing drugs, I would be like, "Fuck it, let's go." (clears throat) And then that was the moment when I was just like... That's when shit got dark. And so there was like a year of that. And then, by the last time I ever drank (exhales) the last time I ever did a- any, like fucking anything, was, uh, you know, nine years ago, the weekend of November, whatever, 12th. And my friend was visiting from England, a chef, and we were doing a big dinner. And I got so fucking drunk and I... I brought... I walked in Friday service, mid-service. Didn't even show up for work. Took this chef out and... and was just like, you know, didn't tell anybody, I'm just like bringing my buddy around town, being a host. And I show up and all the partners were sitting at one of the chef's tables. So there was like... In the big kitchen at Parts, in this warehouse, there was like three chef tables. So the VIPs, the homies, all the people got to sit in... in the chef tables. And all the partners were sitting there. And I walked in and they're like, "What's up? You don't have to show up for work, bro? You get to do whatever you want to do kind of thing?" Like, what the fuck? And I was just like, "What the fuck do you want?" And I was just like... And I was like, "What do you want? Your restaurant's packed. This fucking... Look at this." And I walked out into the middle of the dining room and I was like, "Hey, everybody, who the fuck is having the best time ever?" And everyone was like, "Ah!" And I wa- looked at all the partners and I was like, "Fuck you. These are m- This is my crew. This is my fucking world." That didn't go well.

   8. GVGuest (secondary voice)32:56

      (laughs)

   9. MMMatty Matheson32:57

      Ego.

   10. GVGuest (secondary voice)32:58

       Yeah.

   11. MMMatty Matheson32:58

       I was such a psychopathic young psycho.

   12. GVGuest (secondary voice)33:02

       Well, those two things, booze and coke-

   13. MMMatty Matheson33:04

       Rev you up.

   14. GVGuest (secondary voice)33:04

       I mean, they are the accentuators.

   15. MMMatty Matheson33:06

       I got a little pee-pee. I got a little pee-pee, I gotta make it up somewhere, you know? Like it's... it... it's... it... it is... it's... it's so hard to... to... to, you know, fill the void, you know? And I just... I found that with that. And then, you know, the next day, one of my partners was like, "Hey, let's meet for a coffee. I wanna fire you to your face."

   16. GVGuest (secondary voice)33:26

       Mm-hmm.

   17. MMMatty Matheson33:26

       And I was just like, "Okay, yeah, fire me." You can't f- Like, I was just like, "What are you gonna do with your restaurant, bro? What are you gonna do with all your restaurants? I'm the face of your company. I'm the guy." And I showed up and, uh, he's like, "Meet me here. I'll pick you up. We're gonna go for a coffee." And I was like, "Okay, let's meet up." And I knew that I could manipulate and talk to him and, you know, be like, "We're cool. You know I won't do it again."

   18. GVGuest (secondary voice)33:50

       Addict shit.

   19. MMMatty Matheson33:51

       Yeah.

   20. GVGuest (secondary voice)33:52

       Addict shit.

   21. MMMatty Matheson33:52

       Yeah, just manipulate, manipulate-

   22. GVGuest (secondary voice)33:53

       Yeah.

   23. MMMatty Matheson33:53

       ... manipulate, manipulate. And fucking... And, uh, he drives me and it's like, oh my God, he pulls up to like my homie's house, who's like straight edge vegan warrior.

   24. GVGuest (secondary voice)34:05

       Oh boy.

   25. MMMatty Matheson34:05

       And I'm just like, "Oh, perfect." (exhales) And then like four of my dudes come out and I'm just like, "Okay, let's see what you fucking losers gotta say."

   26. GVGuest (secondary voice)34:17

       (laughs)

   27. MMMatty Matheson34:17

       You know? Let's hear what all my best friends gotta say about me. How much you love me and how much you care about me. Let's see what you fucking like losers gotta say. You know, like instantly going into like hating these people that are trying to like help me. And, uh, you know, the veils that can come... When you sit down in front of your best friends, your true... your... your... your... your true inner circle. The people you can't lie to. The people that you can't... There's no facade. There's no media. There's no nothing. It's you and your friends. And I sat down and I listened for like four hours. And, um, you know, and the next day, one of the guys there goes to meetings and he is like, "We're going to a meeting." And so the next day I walked into a meeting and, um, you know, the miracle happened and I-

   28. GVGuest (secondary voice)35:06

       A meeting?

   29. MMMatty Matheson35:07

       Yeah.

   30. GVGuest (secondary voice)35:08

       What... what... what made you hit the switch? You go from, "Is everybody having a good fucking time?" To, "All right, I'm done."
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   This is a heavy…

   1. MMMatty Matheson45:00

      You know, Joe?

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      This is a heavy story, man.

   3. MMMatty Matheson45:03

      It's a lot.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      So that... But I love the fact that you realized, like when your friends were all... like you were like, "Fuck, what the fuck are you gonna say?" And then you're like, "Oh, I really... That is really it."

   5. MMMatty Matheson45:12

      W- well, it's just like you, you take the v- you put so many veils on.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      Mm-hmm.

   7. MMMatty Matheson45:15

      You lie.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      Mm-hmm.

   9. MMMatty Matheson45:16

      You lie, you cheat, you fucking-

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:18

       Yeah.

   11. MMMatty Matheson45:18

       ... do everything that you need to do to get whatever you need-

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:21

       Right.

   13. MMMatty Matheson45:21

       ... 'cause you want it.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:22

       'Cause you're trying to fill a void.

   15. MMMatty Matheson45:23

       Because I deserve it. 'Cause the void filling.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:24

       Yeah.

   17. MMMatty Matheson45:24

       You know? You're, "I need it. I deserve it. Fuck the world. Why, why does, why does he have that? I want that. Fuck. I'm not even gonna do anything, I'm just gonna go do coke with somebody I don't know for six hours."

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       Hmm.

   19. MMMatty Matheson45:34

       You know? Like, it's just like, what is that? And then when you're with your real friends and they're really being sweet and they're telling you, like, the real shit, and you, and you just take off the facade.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       Yeah.

   21. MMMatty Matheson45:45

       And you take off the facade and then eventually you're like, "There you are, there you are, Peter." You know Hook, the movie? Robin Williams, great film.

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       (laughs)

   23. MMMatty Matheson45:52

       And they're like, "There you are, Peter." (laughs) But yeah, I mean, like, and it's-

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       People are fucking messy, man.

   25. MMMatty Matheson45:58

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       It's messy to be a person.

   27. MMMatty Matheson46:00

       It is.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       And, and you can get wrapped up in that kind of partying.

   29. MMMatty Matheson46:03

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       You know? Especially if you're involved in something like you were involved with where you are entertaining.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:06:31

   Yes. It's a long-…

   1. MMMatty Matheson1:00:00

      20,000 steps a day, psychopath, concrete backpack, walking around the fucking neighborhood like a psychopath. My brother's fucking ripped. Me, I was always the fat kid. So I always have that ego too, where I fucking, "Fuck them, they just, their DNA is better than mine." So I fought with, you know, being the fat kid, fought with being this, you know, whatever, y- just being this shape, you know? And now...... I've built, uh, to a level where I feel comfortable with my team, that I can start focusing my energy and time more on, you know, my physical self, which will help my mental self, which will now help everything else. So I think I'm trying to like build my own Swiss clock of my Matty world. And right now, I had to set up a financial foundation of businesses, which I have, and now I'm go... And I have my home with my family taken care of. And now I can kind of ten- start tending to Matty a little bit. Does that make sense?

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

      Yes. It's a long-

   3. MMMatty Matheson1:01:01

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

      ... journey of words to get to you're gonna lose weight.

   5. MMMatty Matheson1:01:04

      Yeah, Joe. Yes, Joe.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

      I get it. I get it. You're preparing.

   7. MMMatty Matheson1:01:07

      But I, you know, I get worked up today, I'm like, like look at these pumps. I got pump ups. You wanna arm wrestle? What are you like, what are you... I think I need to (laughs) you know, Joe, I would like to lose weight.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

      (laughs)

   9. MMMatty Matheson1:01:20

      But I also think it's like, fuck, I know that my cardiologist, my cardiologist, I don't have high blood pressure.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

       Mm-hmm.

   11. MMMatty Matheson1:01:27

       I don't have high cholesterol.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

       That's amazing.

   13. MMMatty Matheson1:01:29

       It's incredible. I don't understand it. And my cardiologist was like, "I'm the best cardiologist in the country. You don't need-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:34

       Yeah, but it's Canada.

   15. MMMatty Matheson1:01:36

       ... to meet up with me." Yeah, it's f- yeah. Okay.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:37

       So what does that even mean?

   17. MMMatty Matheson1:01:38

       They're fucking brilliant.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

       They get paid slave labor.

   19. MMMatty Matheson1:01:40

       No, they get paid-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       Yeah, they get pennies on the dollar.

   21. MMMatty Matheson1:01:42

       ... they get hundreds of millions.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       They get paid loonies. Little-

   23. MMMatty Matheson1:01:43

       They get loonies, they have hundreds of millions of loonies.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:46

       (laughs)

   25. MMMatty Matheson1:01:46

       They... She definitely has a Range Rover. She's doing fine.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:49

       (laughs)

   27. MMMatty Matheson1:01:49

       You know, and yeah, d- dude, when I... It was so funny, the, the thing about healthcare in America versus Canada, perfect example. I break my foot in LA. I break my foot in LA, I, I break three metacarcinals on the top of my foot.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       How'd you break it?

   29. MMMatty Matheson1:02:05

       Slipped off a curb and I like... my foot got stuck almost on the curb and I like, the way that I compressed or fell-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:14

       (inhales deeply)

Episode duration: 2:54:38