Joe Rogan Experience #1641 - Matty Matheson

Narrator 0:00 (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (drumbeats)

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day.

Narrator 0:09 (upbeat music) You good?

Joe Rogan 0:16 Is it on?

Narrator 0:16 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:18 Is it on?

Narrator 0:18 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 0:18 The first thing I say, is, "Is the butter at-"

Joe Rogan 0:19 Perfect for you-

Matty Matheson 0:21 Buttered asshole.

Joe Rogan 0:21 ... for anybody else, it would be a real issue.

Matty Matheson 0:23 It would be.

Joe Rogan 0:23 For you, it's on brand.

Matty Matheson 0:24 It's on... I'm on brand.

Joe Rogan 0:25 Yeah, you're always on brand.

Matty Matheson 0:26 I am a brand.

Joe Rogan 0:27 Dude-

Matty Matheson 0:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 0:27 ... speaking of on brand, you, uh, you fucked this podcast up because you stepped in here with some Franklin's brisket. My God, sir.

Matty Matheson 0:34 Oh.

Joe Rogan 0:35 You, you, you made everybody... You put everybody into a-

Matty Matheson 0:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:38 ... sedated state.

Matty Matheson 0:40 Well-

Joe Rogan 0:40 Franklin's brisket, by the way, may I, may I say, that was my first time eating it and-

Matty Matheson 0:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:44 ... the fucking hype is real.

Matty Matheson 0:45 The hype is real. It's a beautiful thing. Aaron, beautiful person, beautiful brisket.

Joe Rogan 0:49 The brisket's real.

Matty Matheson 0:49 You're welcome. I'm trying to slow you down.

Joe Rogan 0:52 Slow me down?

Matty Matheson 0:52 I'm, I'm, I'm trying to slow you down a little bit, bring you down to my level. I'm a slow guy.

Joe Rogan 0:56 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 0:56 I like to move. I'm like a sea turtle.

Joe Rogan 0:58 You got a lot of energy though, dude.

Matty Matheson 0:59 I got a lot of energy packed up in here.

Joe Rogan 1:01 I, I watch your show.

Matty Matheson 1:02 I'm like a sugar packet.

Joe Rogan 1:04 I'm a fan of your program. I enjoy what you do.

Matty Matheson 1:07 Cheers.

Joe Rogan 1:07 Cheers, sir.

Matty Matheson 1:07 Hey. (glasses clink)

Joe Rogan 1:08 Cheers.

Matty Matheson 1:09 To your health.

Joe Rogan 1:09 To yours.

Matty Matheson 1:12 Ooh, that's hot.

Joe Rogan 1:12 A little, little hot.

Matty Matheson 1:13 That's fucking hot. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:15 (laughs) Got me.

Matty Matheson 1:16 That is a boiling pot of fucking coffee.

Joe Rogan 1:19 Got me.

Matty Matheson 1:19 Coffee, boys. Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:23 So, um, the best brisket I've ever had up until today-

Matty Matheson 1:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:26 ... is Terry Black's.

Matty Matheson 1:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:27 And Franklin's is just as good.

Matty Matheson 1:30 There you go.

Joe Rogan 1:30 It is not better. It is not better. It is amazing. I don't think there's better. I think we were talking about this.

Matty Matheson 1:35 Better isn't always best.

Joe Rogan 1:37 There's a level of barbecue that you're just like, "Holy fucking shit."

Matty Matheson 1:40 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:41 And there's quite a few places like that here in Austin.

Matty Matheson 1:42 There's a lot of holy shits. There's a lot of holy shits, and I think there's a lot-

Joe Rogan 1:45 Franklin's is holy shit.

Matty Matheson 1:46 Franklin is holy shit.

Joe Rogan 1:47 Holy shit.

Matty Matheson 1:48 Franklin makes you wanna, like, shit your pants, rub your feet and-

Joe Rogan 1:51 So juicy.

Matty Matheson 1:52 Juicy.

Joe Rogan 1:52 Juicy.

Matty Matheson 1:53 Crispy the barky.

Joe Rogan 1:54 Oh my God, so good.

Matty Matheson 1:55 The, the, the, the rendered fat within the molecules.

Joe Rogan 1:59 And I only had two pieces, but I'm like, burr.

Matty Matheson 2:01 Burr. You're sleepy. Are you... Don't... You gotta bring you back. You gotta drink some of your-

Joe Rogan 2:04 I'm okay.

Matty Matheson 2:05 ... your hot fucking coffee piss.

Joe Rogan 2:07 Black Rifle.

Matty Matheson 2:07 Black, Black Rifle.

Joe Rogan 2:08 Black Rifle coffee.

Matty Matheson 2:08 That's a fucking shout out.

Joe Rogan 2:10 Yeah. Shout out.

Matty Matheson 2:10 That's a shout out. Um, I just wanna ask you a quick question.

Joe Rogan 2:14 Okay.

Matty Matheson 2:14 This is an easy question.

Joe Rogan 2:15 Okay, Matty.

Matty Matheson 2:16 Have you ever listened to my podcast?

Joe Rogan 2:18 No.

Matty Matheson 2:19 I have a podcast called Powerful Truth Angels.

Joe Rogan 2:21 No. (laughs)

Matty Matheson 2:22 Okay? I have a podcast called Powerful Truth Angels.

Joe Rogan 2:24 What the fuck does it mean? The name's amazing.

Matty Matheson 2:25 It's incredible.

Joe Rogan 2:26 Do you have a T-shirt?

Matty Matheson 2:27 I made it. This is our first one we've ever made.

Joe Rogan 2:29 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 2:29 I Sharpied it because I was like, "I'm going on like the biggest..." This is like, this is like the, what is it? The Oprah of podcasts.

Joe Rogan 2:36 Bropria.

Matty Matheson 2:36 The Bropria.

Joe Rogan 2:37 The Bropria.

Matty Matheson 2:38 So I- I was just like, "I need to wear a shirt because I ha- I have a podcast with my, my co-host, Two Tone," and, um, I just wanted to quickly... I know this is a big podcast. It's doing well.

Joe Rogan 2:48 It's doing pretty good.

Matty Matheson 2:49 It's doing well. And so I just wanted to take this chance to just-

Joe Rogan 2:53 Shout out your own show.

Matty Matheson 2:54 ... shout out my own show because I just thought that this is hor- this is, uh, you know, I'm trying... I, I won't talk about it again, but I wanted-

Joe Rogan 2:59 Dude, I want a picture of you with the angel wings and maybe some sort of a weapon.

Matty Matheson 3:03 Yeah, like a crossbow, bazooka-

Joe Rogan 3:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matty Matheson 3:06 ... grenade launcher.

Joe Rogan 3:07 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Grenade launcher.

Matty Matheson 3:08 Flame laser eyes.

Joe Rogan 3:10 Yeah, and, and maybe some of them, um, the old school runner's goggles.

Matty Matheson 3:14 Runner goggles.

Joe Rogan 3:15 You know those... What the fuck is that guy's name?

Matty Matheson 3:18 What, Larry Entizer?

Joe Rogan 3:19 The Bos- the Bosworth. Brian Bosworth.

Matty Matheson 3:21 The Bosworth?

Joe Rogan 3:21 Remember he used to have those goggles from back in the day? Terminator goggles.

Matty Matheson 3:24 The Terminator? Oh, like just like the we-

Joe Rogan 3:26 You know, those sunglasses.

Matty Matheson 3:26 ... the little Oakley guys.

Joe Rogan 3:28 Yeah, like, uh-

Matty Matheson 3:28 Wind stripes. Wind stripes.

Joe Rogan 3:30 Tactical.

Matty Matheson 3:30 Tactical.

Joe Rogan 3:30 Like Roka Tactical.

Matty Matheson 3:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:32 If you were, you know, shooting guns-

Matty Matheson 3:33 If I was a tactical person shooting guns in the mountain range-

Joe Rogan 3:36 ... those are the kind of glasses you'd have.

Matty Matheson 3:37 ... and I would have those to protect me because anywhere I looked, I would be protected from the sun.

Joe Rogan 3:41 Yes.

Matty Matheson 3:41 Always a perfect pitch and temperature of color.

Joe Rogan 3:43 Maybe like a l- a yellow tint.

Matty Matheson 3:45 Those?

Joe Rogan 3:46 No, no, no, no.

Matty Matheson 3:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:47 No, no, no.

Matty Matheson 3:48 Is he the guy in Cold Steel?

Joe Rogan 3:49 That was... No.

Matty Matheson 3:49 Or what was his movie?

Joe Rogan 3:50 He, he was-

Matty Matheson 3:51 He was in like a biker movie, wasn't he?

Joe Rogan 3:52 He was a famous football player who blew his shoulder out.

Matty Matheson 3:55 Look at that guy.

Joe Rogan 3:55 And then he became a movie star for like one movie.

Matty Matheson 3:57 (inhales) The Boz.

Joe Rogan 3:58 What a handsome bastard though, huh?

Matty Matheson 4:00 Oh my God. Look at that chin.

Joe Rogan 4:01 The structure.

Matty Matheson 4:01 I wish my, my dick was as nice as that chin.

Joe Rogan 4:04 That, those right there. Those goggles. Dice Clay-

Matty Matheson 4:06 Those, okay.

Joe Rogan 4:06 Dice Clay has some of those too.

Matty Matheson 4:08 Yeah, the Dice man.

Joe Rogan 4:09 But those kind of goggles. Like you with those kind of goggles and a grenade launcher.

Matty Matheson 4:13 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 4:13 Look at the flat top. Jesus.

Matty Matheson 4:15 A flat top's great. Did you ever have a flat top? I feel like you were a flat top guy.

Joe Rogan 4:18 Uh, maybe.

Matty Matheson 4:19 Like a little one, like a tight-

Joe Rogan 4:20 I had a crew cut.

Matty Matheson 4:20 Crew cut.

Joe Rogan 4:21 I had a crew cut. I never got it flat though.

Matty Matheson 4:22 No.

Joe Rogan 4:23 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 4:23 Never truly flat.

Joe Rogan 4:24 No.

Matty Matheson 4:25 It takes a lot to go all the way flat.

Joe Rogan 4:27 Yeah, it's a weird look, the flat top. I feel like, uh, black guys can pull it off really well. Chris Rock had a nice flat top back in the day.

Matty Matheson 4:35 He had a nice one. The Boss Rock. Great guy.

Joe Rogan 4:36 Kid n Play. Remember he had the real tall one?

Matty Matheson 4:37 Play had the big one. That's the biggest one.

Joe Rogan 4:39 Real tall.

Matty Matheson 4:39 That's the one, I feel.

Joe Rogan 4:40 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 4:40 That is the one.

Joe Rogan 4:41 Super high top.

Matty Matheson 4:42 Oh, the super high tops. It's so nice.

Joe Rogan 4:45 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 4:45 But the, uh, you know, I'm glad you acknowledged Powerful Truth Angels. Are you a graffiti guy?

Joe Rogan 4:50 Um-

Matty Matheson 4:50 Are you into graffiti?

Joe Rogan 4:51 I enjoy it if it's consensual.

Matty Matheson 4:54 Yes.

Joe Rogan 4:54 I think there's a problem with graffiti, it's like, "I have amazing art that I'm putting on your fucking building."

Matty Matheson 4:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 4:59 And you're like, "Hey, dick."

Matty Matheson 5:00 Don't fucking spray shit on my house.

Joe Rogan 5:02 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 5:02 Or my building or my alleyway.

Joe Rogan 5:04 It's, it's an asshole move.

Matty Matheson 5:05 It's an asshole move. I, I agree.

Joe Rogan 5:06 But sometimes they're super talented artists.

Matty Matheson 5:08 Yes. So my partner, Alex, on, on the podcast, he's a gr- he's a, he's an iconic graffiti writer.

Joe Rogan 5:14 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 5:14 Like a OG Venice-

Joe Rogan 5:16 Oh, one of those guys.

Matty Matheson 5:16 ... uh, crew... Yeah, like a OG dude from Venice. And, uh, and that's all I want to say. Graffiti is, uh, you know, problematic because you're destroying property, but it is a beautiful art form.

Joe Rogan 5:28 Yeah, if you have like an abandoned building and someone gives you the green light, fuck yeah.

Matty Matheson 5:32 Go do it.

Joe Rogan 5:32 Yeah. No, I think there's a lot of really dope graffiti artists. They make amazing stuff, but-

Matty Matheson 5:38 There are. There are.

Joe Rogan 5:38 But wasn't there an issue where... So it wasn't really graffiti, it was more of a m- mural. Someone had painted a mural and then someone bought the building. I think it was in Brooklyn and they were just like-

Matty Matheson 5:48 Really?

Joe Rogan 5:48 ... "Fuck this," and they painted over it. And like everybody-

Matty Matheson 5:50 Everyone-

Joe Rogan 5:51 ... shit their pants. They're like, "What the fuck?"

Matty Matheson 5:53 That was art.

Joe Rogan 5:53 Yeah, it was art.

Matty Matheson 5:54 That was art. You just took down the Picasso of the graffiti.

Joe Rogan 5:57 But that's the question, right? If you buy a building and the building is covered with beautiful art, are you obligated to keep it looking exactly the same? Because that doesn't seem very fucking American.

Matty Matheson 6:06 No. I think you can do whatever you want when you buy a building.

Joe Rogan 6:09 Yeah, just take a picture of it and send it to the guy who made the art.

Matty Matheson 6:11 Yeah, take a picture, NFT it.

Joe Rogan 6:13 Treat it like it's a sandcastle.

Matty Matheson 6:15 Treat-

Joe Rogan 6:15 Good job-

Matty Matheson 6:15 Good job. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:15 ... but when it rains-

Matty Matheson 6:16 It's over.

Joe Rogan 6:17 ... it's a wrap.

Matty Matheson 6:18 Me buying the building is when the rain comes. I-

Joe Rogan 6:19 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 6:19 ... like the notepad. This is such a nice... I really am excited to be here.

Joe Rogan 6:23 I'm excited to have you here.

Matty Matheson 6:24 You know, and I want to say when I was a young kid and at the beginning of the UFC, uh, my family were very into the UFC at the beginning.

Joe Rogan 6:34 Mm.

Matty Matheson 6:34 And they still are to this day. Uh, but me and my friends, it was amazing. My parents used to... We would watch them at the very beginning, like the Royce Gracie and the Tanks and the-

Joe Rogan 6:43 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 6:43 ... the early shit. Like you'd have like a 500-pound sumo guy fighting a karate person that's 120 pounds and we used to fight. My parents used to... Like, our, our, all of our parents' friends, they would have all the kids and we would have to... After the UFC, we would all have to fight each other.

Joe Rogan 6:56 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 6:56 It was like battle royal and, and, uh, me and my two brothers and then all of our friends would always be over there and we'd have to fight each other after. We were all ramped up. My parents would just be all around drinking, having a good time-

Joe Rogan 7:07 (blowtorch sound)

Matty Matheson 7:07 ... watching their kids beat the shit out of each other and, uh-

Joe Rogan 7:10 That seems very Canadian.

Matty Matheson 7:12 Yeah, it was nice. You know, a 10-year-old just fighting, like, a 16-year-old and you're-

Joe Rogan 7:16 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 7:16 ... just like, you know, after watching, you know, Royce Gracie choke hold somebody. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 7:21 Do you may- think maybe, think that some of that early head trauma is responsible for your outrageous behavior?

Matty Matheson 7:27 I think there's, there... Yeah, there's just a lot of, there's a lot of damage up here.

Joe Rogan 7:31 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 7:31 There's a lot of damage. There's a lot of shakened up. I'm, I'm like a bag of milk, you know, a Canadian b- There's a lot of stuff inside and it wants-

Joe Rogan 7:38 Right.

Matty Matheson 7:38 ... to get out, but it moves around. I think... I, I've never had as a, um... I've never had a black eye in my life.

Joe Rogan 7:45 Really?

Matty Matheson 7:45 Never. And I've been in a lot of fights and I've been punched in the face a million times and for some reason, I've never had a black eye.

Joe Rogan 7:54 That's pretty crazy.

Matty Matheson 7:55 It is. And I remember one time, uh, at a New Year's Eve party, I was hammered before, you know, this is early shit, and, and I got so drunk and I was so funny and I started... I was like, "I want a fucking black eye." And I, I told him-

Joe Rogan 8:10 (blowtorch sound)

Matty Matheson 8:10 ... everyone at the party was allowed to punch me in the face as hard as they could.

Joe Rogan 8:14 Jesus Christ, Matty.

Matty Matheson 8:14 And I was like, "Line up, line the fuck up-"

Joe Rogan 8:16 No.

Matty Matheson 8:16 ... you losers." And I would... I was like, "You fucking losers. You fucking losers. You guys don't know how to punch. You can't punch. You can't punch me in the face." And I would like fucking fuck with them and then I'd be like, "Punch me in the face." And then at the end of the night, I had all these welts all over my face, but nobody still got me clean in the face where I got the fucking, uh, black eye.

Joe Rogan 8:35 Wow. (laughs)

Matty Matheson 8:36 And I don't know why I'm just going... I'm just jumping.

Joe Rogan 8:39 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 8:39 Joe, we're jumping.

Joe Rogan 8:41 I'm fine with jumping.

Matty Matheson 8:42 We're gonna jump around for a little bit. And I used to give my friends black eyes for their birthdays unbeknownst to them. So I would sneak up. If it was your birthday back in the day, I would sneak up and fucking pop you in the fucking face and then you'd get a black eye from me for your birthday.

Joe Rogan 8:55 (laughs) This is what happens when you grow up in the woods. People get really-

Matty Matheson 8:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:59 ... bored. The kids beat the shit out of each other in front of the parents while they're drunk.

Matty Matheson 9:03 There's a lot of things.

Joe Rogan 9:03 You're asking people to punch you. You punch them when they're not asking for it. Did you see this video he made yesterday? What is this? No. What's happening? People just going at it.

Matty Matheson 9:09 Yes.

Joe Rogan 9:12 Sparring?

Matty Matheson 9:12 Look at that. Oh, he did a backhand. Look at that. (laughs) Oh.

Joe Rogan 9:15 Well, the problem is this fucking headgear. They can't see shit with those headgear.

Matty Matheson 9:18 They can't see anything. Look at that.

Joe Rogan 9:20 Oh, my goodness.

Matty Matheson 9:20 Big overhands-

Joe Rogan 9:21 Oh, my goodness.

Matty Matheson 9:21 ... a kick to the groin. Look at th- see, he's spinning.

Joe Rogan 9:24 Oh. The kid's just spinning around like a top. Look at that. (laughs)

Matty Matheson 9:26 Like... Oh!

Joe Rogan 9:28 It looks... I think he fell though, see, like-

Matty Matheson 9:30 Look at that, the spin, kick and the backhand.

Joe Rogan 9:32 Hello, brothers. And oh, they go right through it. See, these kids-

Matty Matheson 9:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:34 These kids can't- Oh, they go right through it. They can't hurt each other.

Matty Matheson 9:38 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:38 They're not hitting hard, so they should take the fucking headgear off so they could at least see what they're doing.

Matty Matheson 9:42 They should.

Joe Rogan 9:43 Because they're not hitting hard.

Matty Matheson 9:44 They should take everything off. They should bare knuckle. You can't hit hard enough. My son is five and I swear he could break my nose.

Joe Rogan 9:50 Well, the thing about hitting har- like, with the, the... You could poke someone in the eye.

Matty Matheson 9:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:54 That could be real.

Matty Matheson 9:55 Yes, that's bad.

Joe Rogan 9:55 So I don't think they should take the gloves off, but they definitely should take the headgear off because the- those are like fucking 10 ounce gloves. These kids weigh 20 pounds. They're not gonna hurt each other with those.

Matty Matheson 10:03 I love the running and the kicking.

Joe Rogan 10:04 Those are giant pillows.

Matty Matheson 10:04 That's like me fighting now.

Joe Rogan 10:06 Jesus Christ.

Matty Matheson 10:07 That's how I would fight.

Joe Rogan 10:08 Look at the-

Matty Matheson 10:08 That's a good-

Joe Rogan 10:08 ... guy laughing. Look at the dude. (laughs)

Matty Matheson 10:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:10 Look at the dude. The dude who's the trainer is laughing. Oh, my God.

Matty Matheson 10:14 That's it.

Joe Rogan 10:15 Jesus.

Matty Matheson 10:15 That's like-

Joe Rogan 10:15 These kids are going to war.

Matty Matheson 10:16 He's like, "Get up."

Joe Rogan 10:17 He's like, "Get up, bitch."

Matty Matheson 10:17 Was he taunting him? He was taunting him.

Joe Rogan 10:18 Oh, my God.

Matty Matheson 10:19 Get the fuck up.

Joe Rogan 10:19 Oh, wow.

Matty Matheson 10:20 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 10:20 He dropped him again.

Matty Matheson 10:20 Get the fuck up again one more time. White helmet's fucking-

Joe Rogan 10:23 Oh, white helmet's-

Matty Matheson 10:24 ... laying work.

Joe Rogan 10:24 ... got some moves. He's got some moves.

Matty Matheson 10:26 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 10:26 I like that spin that he does.

Matty Matheson 10:28 Boom.

Joe Rogan 10:28 Oh.

Matty Matheson 10:28 Boom.

Joe Rogan 10:28 He's got some talent.

Matty Matheson 10:29 And he's shorter.

Joe Rogan 10:31 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 10:31 Look at that guy. White helmet's my guy.

Joe Rogan 10:33 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 10:34 Wow! Look at it. That's perfect.

Joe Rogan 10:39 It's a good time to learn because you can't hurt each other and so, like, you get accustomed to getting hit because as you get older and bigger and stronger-

Matty Matheson 10:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:46 ... and faster, it's scarier so you're hesitant and you, you don't learn as well.

Matty Matheson 10:51 No. You don't take in a lot when you're older and you're stuck in your ways. And you're d- I'm slower. I feel like I'm slower, but I have dad strength now.

Joe Rogan 10:59 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 10:59 I feel the dad strength is real with the children. I have three kids now and I'm just like-

Joe Rogan 11:03 Well, if your kid's five, it's real.

Matty Matheson 11:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:05 Yeah. They're little tiny people.

Matty Matheson 11:06 And you gotta grab them and Mac is a thick boy and I gotta grab him and he's like... I call him a stack of pancakes. He's like... He's got a big butt too and I grab him and I'm like, "What the fuck?" He... Because he gets all ramped up, you know, and I gotta pick him up, shake him like a bag of potatoes or something.

Joe Rogan 11:19 Do you make him fight around drunk people?

Matty Matheson 11:21 No.

Joe Rogan 11:21 Not yet?

Matty Matheson 11:21 No, I don't... We keep every... No. No. I don't... I hate drunk people now. It's just like I-

Joe Rogan 11:25 You're sober.

Matty Matheson 11:25 There's no drunk people. I'm sobes. Yeah, sobes.

Joe Rogan 11:27 When did you get sober?

Matty Matheson 11:28 (sighs) Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe.

Joe Rogan 11:30 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 11:31 When did I get sober? Isn't that a great question? Um-

Joe Rogan 11:34 Guys like you who get sober-

Matty Matheson 11:35 November 12th.

Joe Rogan 11:36 ... have a wonderful s- Just this year?

Matty Matheson 11:38 No. No.

Joe Rogan 11:39 Oh.

Matty Matheson 11:39 2000... What's, like, nine years ago?

Joe Rogan 11:41 Um, 2002?

Matty Matheson 11:43 2000... Two thou- N- Two... Nine years ago is 2002?

Joe Rogan 11:47 12? (laughs)

Matty Matheson 11:48 How?

Joe Rogan 11:48 I knew there was a two.

Matty Matheson 11:48 Big JR with the mathematics. Let's go.... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:53 That seems to be 12.

Matty Matheson 11:53 You're like... Yeah, I'm like two... Nine years ago, you're like two thous-

Joe Rogan 11:57 I forget what year it is, bro.

Matty Matheson 11:57 1997.

Joe Rogan 11:58 I'm living in the past.

Matty Matheson 11:59 Yeah. No, like nine years ago, I had a intervention to stop the brutality that I was d- putting onto myself.

Joe Rogan 12:06 What were you doing? What was your drug of choice?

Matty Matheson 12:07 My drug of... Cocaine.

Joe Rogan 12:09 (singing)

Matty Matheson 12:09 (singing)

Joe Rogan 12:09 (imitating gunshots)

Matty Matheson 12:09 (singing) I just wanted...

Joe Rogan 12:15 (singing)

Matty Matheson 12:15 I wanted everything. I was a garbage head.

Joe Rogan 12:17 Ah.

Matty Matheson 12:17 I would do MDMA, I would do shrooms, I would do acid, I would do-

Joe Rogan 12:21 You want it all at once.

Matty Matheson 12:22 I wou- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:23 Everything.

Matty Matheson 12:23 Whiskey, lot of whiskey.

Joe Rogan 12:26 Ah. You make me thirsty.

Matty Matheson 12:27 I could chug a 26-or of whiskey in like two pulls.

Joe Rogan 12:30 Really?

Matty Matheson 12:30 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:31 That's not a smart thing to do though, right? We can agree?

Matty Matheson 12:34 No, no, no. You drink... The second one isn't smart at like 7:00 AM. But the first one at like midnight when you do like 10 ch-... Like you would drink... At the end, my drink of choice... So my drink of choice was a pint glass, so a 16 ounce pint full of ice, filled with vodka and three limes. So then I would drink those until I was feeling like swirly, real swirly. So I'd drink like, you know, six, seven, eight of those.

Joe Rogan 13:01 Whoa.

Matty Matheson 13:01 Then I'd be like, "Let's have a beer." Crack a beer. Then I'd drink like f- fucking a lot of those, and then I'd get into the whiskey. And then... But on the second vodka, I'd probably do a couple bumpers, and then I just start bumping, and then I'm bumping, and then I'm bagged in, and then I'm deep in the bag.

Joe Rogan 13:18 You're Hunter S. Thompson. You were doing Hunter S. Thompson.

Matty Matheson 13:20 Bro, I would want to not... I would want to feel like my bones were outside of my body-

Joe Rogan 13:26 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 13:26 ... and I was like mi- I was like two people. I was like my skin and the muscles, and then the bones were over here. And I was like, "Buddy, let's do a bump." And then you're talking to your buddy and it's just your bones, it's your skeleton.

Joe Rogan 13:39 (exhales)

Matty Matheson 13:39 So I would want to do everything. I, I'd wanna... 'Cause I started early, like I wanted... The first time I did... I started like early.

Joe Rogan 13:45 12?

Matty Matheson 13:46 Yeah, like grade eight was the first time I did acid.

Joe Rogan 13:49 Whoa.

Matty Matheson 13:50 Which is scary. And my parents, like, uh, I was, I wa-

Joe Rogan 13:53 What is that, 13?

Matty Matheson 13:54 Yeah, like 12, 13.

Joe Rogan 13:55 13.

Matty Matheson 13:56 So like I drank... The first drink I ever had, the first alcoholic beverage I ever had was Southern Comfort.

Joe Rogan 14:01 Jesus.

Matty Matheson 14:01 And me and my friend Kylie got wasted in like grade seven secretly, and then I started like smoking some smokes, stealing, you know, from the uncle's drawer, steal a pack of carton, a little carton of Smokies. And then, and then, you know, yeah, just worked it my way up.

Joe Rogan 14:18 Wow.

Matty Matheson 14:19 Yeah, just work your way up.

Joe Rogan 14:20 And every day?

Matty Matheson 14:22 Uh, at the end, yeah. So like at the... by the end of it, you know, like high school, party boy. You know, like super party boy. High school, like, you know, uh, fun, fun. My house was the hub. My house was the hub. My house was the open door policy in the neighborhood.

Joe Rogan 14:38 Ah.

Matty Matheson 14:38 Me and my brothers were like two years apart, so we were like the full crew. My older brother was a psychopath, I was a psychopath, my little brother was a psychopath. So we were like the Matheson brothers.

Joe Rogan 14:48 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 14:48 And so my house was... and my parents were beautiful East Coast loving, food on the table kind of family. You know? Not like this like demonic, psycho, toxic s- we were party-

Joe Rogan 15:00 So they were happy to have everybody coming over.

Matty Matheson 15:01 Our place was the place.

Joe Rogan 15:02 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 15:02 You know, every Sunday there'd be, you know, football games on and barbecue and cooking and, but it would just be like, you know, everyone was there.

Joe Rogan 15:10 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 15:11 And, um, you know, smoking weed and doing shrooms and acid and all that fun stuff. You know? It was like the 70s, like Dazed and Confused, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:21 Mm.

Matty Matheson 15:22 Mm.

Joe Rogan 15:23 Mm.

Matty Matheson 15:23 Mm.

Joe Rogan 15:23 And then-

Matty Matheson 15:23 Dark Side of the Moon.

Joe Rogan 15:24 ... nine years ago in 2002... (laughs)

Matty Matheson 15:27 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:29 You just decided-

Matty Matheson 15:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:30 You decided-

Matty Matheson 15:31 No.

Joe Rogan 15:31 ... that's a wrap.

Matty Matheson 15:32 No. So, you know, the journey, the journey is so long, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:36 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 15:37 Going to college, getting into like chef school, doing all that stuff.

Joe Rogan 15:41 Chefs party hard.

Matty Matheson 15:43 Chefs party hard.

Joe Rogan 15:44 I learned that from partying with Bourdain.

Matty Matheson 15:45 Yeah, I bet.

Joe Rogan 15:46 He would go so hard.

Matty Matheson 15:48 Well, it's just a maintenance thing, and it's like a constant thing, and it's just like, uh, uh, you build it up and it's just-

Joe Rogan 15:53 It's part of the culture too.

Matty Matheson 15:54 It... Well, the thing about it-

Joe Rogan 15:56 With a lot of them, right?

Matty Matheson 15:57 ... is Valhalla. We want you to f-... We want to take care of you, we want you to be in heaven, we want you to... Our idea of hospitality is that you are 100% taken care of. We're feeding you grapes, we're shoving meat into you, we're shoving, you know, meat inside of you. We're doing everything, um-

Joe Rogan 16:15 Drink.

Matty Matheson 16:16 Drink, grapes, the filet, you know, whatever you need.

Joe Rogan 16:21 Yes.

Matty Matheson 16:21 And, and I think like that's the, um... And you get caught up. You do, you really get caught up because it's every day. Where some, most people go out and have a Saturday night on Saturday night, we have Saturday night every night.

Joe Rogan 16:34 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 16:35 So it, it, it is one of those things where, uh, you can get lost. You can get lost in the... You can get stuck into it, you can get fucking... You, you become kind of the, the thing, the monster a bit. You know? And I am so obsessed with everybody having a good time, but sometimes my idea of what a good time is wasn't really the good time. You know? And, and I was so young. Like when I w- opened my first restaurant, I was 26 when I opened my first restaurant and, and 27 when I opened my second one. So when we opened up Parts & Labor, it was crazy. Parts & Labor was a giant old warehouse, big 14-person tables, like, uh, a hall. And we would... It was insane. People like... Food reviewers didn't know what was hap- Because we were young, we were cool, we played really loud music, and we served really good food. And people just didn't know. You know, it's like one of those things where you like tr- And it was in a part of town that wasn't really built up yet, and, and it was just like... It was chaos. And, and, and the... My partners were chaos, and we all loved partying, and we all were like riding this wave. And, and the wave sometimes you get fucking barreled.

Joe Rogan 17:50 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 17:50 And I think it's this like... But you keep going and you know, and it, and it is that pressure of making the best food that you can, having the best experience for those people that are coming into your restaurant, and at the same time-... party, party... (fake coughs) (snorts) Excuse me.

Joe Rogan 18:06 What's happening over there?

Matty Matheson 18:07 I'm getting, like, mucus from the coffee. The coffee's, like, rattled my mucuses.

Joe Rogan 18:11 Um, was it, like were you wrapped up in the party because everyone's having a good time and you wanna have a good time too?

Matty Matheson 18:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:18 Was it a... Yeah.

Matty Matheson 18:19 I was the last guy at the party kind of thing.

Joe Rogan 18:20 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 18:21 You know, where it was just like, after about two years at Parts and Labor, it, it kinda died, the hype died down. And it was, you know, it was just kinda one of those things where it's just like every day we partied. It wasn't like a... And on the days off, all of our staff would party together.

Joe Rogan 18:37 Hmm.

Matty Matheson 18:37 And, and it was just like one of those things. So at 29, I'm 39 now, so at 29 I had a heart attack, right? So, I had a heart attack after about a three-day binge, no sleep, big fucking work, you know, just like 15 years, my whole life of, of being a maniac, being a psychopath, being like I'll do anything on the table. Whatever's on the table, I'll do it, no problem, no questions asked. No, like, demons even.

Joe Rogan 19:08 Right.

Matty Matheson 19:08 I just wanna have... Like literally, I just wanted to fucking get so fucked up. And I didn't even know why I wanted to get so fucked up. And then, um, and then the heart attack happened, and it was like a crazy kind of moment. That was like a crazy thing 'cause it happened, like, in my sleep. And I woke up, so it was like after I crashed after three days.

Joe Rogan 19:32 Oof.

Matty Matheson 19:32 So, I'm at home and I wake up at, like, 5:00 in the morning, and it's after, like, a Saturday night shift. And I was like, "I'm done. I, like, haven't slept in three days. I'm just going to fucking bed. See ya." And I go home and I wake up at, like, 5:00, 5:30 in the morning. And b- I'm a big dude, so I used to do this thing, like if I was partying, like, really hard and I'd get, like, palpitations, (coughs) I would do this thing where I'm, like, doing, like, almost like jumping jacks. And I would like, (coughs) cough out the palpitations that I would feel. And I thought that was doing well. I don't know if you do that-

Joe Rogan 20:05 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 20:05 ... when you're working out and you feel your heart rate getting to where you feel like your heart's gonna explode. But I used to do this, like, jumping jack thing. And I'd be, like, at a party just shoveling cocaine in my face, and all of a sudden I'd be like, (coughs) ha! Ha! (coughs) Ha!

Joe Rogan 20:18 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 20:18 And I'm doing this thing. And everyone's like, "What's he doing?" And I'm like, "I'm at the level now. Now I'm at, like, the good pace." And, uh, like a fucking goddamn cheetah. And, and then I, you know, and then I woke up and I was like, "I think I'm gonna have a heart attack."

Joe Rogan 20:34 What, what was it feeling like?

Matty Matheson 20:35 Okay. It was a, like a uncompromising vice grip on my heart.

Joe Rogan 20:41 Hmm.

Matty Matheson 20:41 So, it was like this thing that was getting tighter, and it wouldn't stop. If I moved or anything, and I would stand up and I was, like, stretching and I was doing all these things. And I was just like, "This is just, it's just clenching, and it's getting tighter and it, and it, and it hurts like something I've never..." And I'm like third-degree burns, cut my tendons off, break my shit. Like I under- I'm covered in tattoos. I understand pain. I understand levels of pain. I understand, you know, all that kinda shit. And I was like, "This is something I've never felt before."

Joe Rogan 21:13 Hmm.

Matty Matheson 21:13 And this is something that I'm like, I know my palpitations. I know, like, you know, coke boy fucking psycho shit. And I'm just like, "This is not that. This is like..." And I was like, "Trish, take me to the hospital." And, and Trish is like, "Okay, yeah? It's go time?" And I'm like, "It's happening."

Joe Rogan 21:26 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 21:26 It's like we're having a kid. I was like, "You got your, your drug addict boyfriend, like, overnight hospital bag? Let's go."

Joe Rogan 21:32 Like did she anticipate that this was eventually gonna take place?

Matty Matheson 21:38 I don't know. If you asked her, maybe. We were... I was so in it.

Joe Rogan 21:41 When you said, "Take me to the hospital," like if I said to the-

Matty Matheson 21:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:44 ... my wife, "Take me to the hospital."

Matty Matheson 21:45 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:45 She'd be like, "Why?"

Matty Matheson 21:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:47 I would have to explain.

Matty Matheson 21:48 Well-

Joe Rogan 21:48 Like, "I think I'm having a heart attack."

Matty Matheson 21:49 Yeah, like-

Joe Rogan 21:50 She'd be like, "What the fuck are you talking about?"

Matty Matheson 21:51 Exactly. My, I, I wore, I wore my, my drug use on my sleeves.

Joe Rogan 21:55 And so she was like, "Uh, this is not outside of what's possible. Let's go."

Matty Matheson 21:59 She's like, "You stupid piece of shit."

Joe Rogan 22:01 "I get it."

Matty Matheson 22:01 "Let's go."

Joe Rogan 22:01 "Hospital. Don't die."

Matty Matheson 22:03 "Don't die." We're like three blocks away from the hospital though, which is lucky.

Joe Rogan 22:06 Oh, that's nice.

Matty Matheson 22:06 Shout out to St. Joe's. So I go to the hospital, and when they take your blood... So I walk in and they're like, into the ER, like, "I think I'm gonna have a heart attack." And they're like, "What? What's happening? Okay, do you do this? Do you do this? Do..." And I'm like, "Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah."

Joe Rogan 22:19 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 22:19 "Let's go. Let's go. I'm having a heart attack here." And they fucking, so they take your blood, well your enzymes change.

Joe Rogan 22:26 And they find broken glass.

Matty Matheson 22:27 They're like, "There's broken glass. There's elastic bands. There's fucking-"

Joe Rogan 22:30 Tampons?

Matty Matheson 22:31 "There's pa- there's tampons." There's, they're like, "There's just a million little Ziploc bags inside of me." You know, I'm like the ocean. I'm the ocean. There's that much plastic inside of me.

Joe Rogan 22:40 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 22:41 And, and, um, and they're like, "You had a heart attack four hours ago."

Joe Rogan 22:45 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 22:45 And I was like, "Yeah!" And I was kinda like sick. "Okay, so I had a heart attack four hours ago and I'm still alive. So, I'm good?" And they're like, "No. You're not good." And I was like, "Okay. So, what do we do?" And they're like, "Well, we're gonna bring you to the ER and we're gonna lay you down in a bed and you're gonna calm down." I was like, "Okay. Can I call my parents? I think I need to call my parents." And they're like, "Okay. Call your parents." And I, like, went outside, like had a smoke, you know, like-

Joe Rogan 23:10 Of course you did.

Matty Matheson 23:10 (laughs) Yeah. Like, I just like, "I'm gonna have a fucking smoke," go outside in the parking lot. I'm like, "Hey, Mom, Dad, I didn't wanna stress you guys out, but I think I had a heart attack. The doctor says I had a heart attack four hours ago. Um, I'm walking around right now, so I feel pretty cool. Uh, but I feel relief." You know?

Joe Rogan 23:27 Wait, what exactly is a heart attack? Like what happens?

Matty Matheson 23:30 So, I had my, like, one of my valves just, like, closed up. Like it's a matter of literally of-

Joe Rogan 23:34 Seizes.

Matty Matheson 23:34 Yeah, it seized up. And, um, yeah, it just seized up. I had like-

Joe Rogan 23:40 You know what I know about heart attacks?

Matty Matheson 23:41 What do you know?

Joe Rogan 23:42 Richard Pryor explaining about his heart attack-

Matty Matheson 23:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:45 ... during one of his specials.

Matty Matheson 23:46 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 23:47 That's literally about what I know about heart attacks.

Matty Matheson 23:49 That's it. Pryor.

Joe Rogan 23:50 Him going, "Ugh."

Matty Matheson 23:52 "He wasn't thinking about that shit when he ate that pork." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:54 You wanna-

Matty Matheson 23:55 Well, that's the thing. (sighs) I don't remember. I, uh, I... No. I'm old. I'm young. I know Pryor.Not that bit, though.

Joe Rogan 24:02 Yeah. Well-

Matty Matheson 24:03 It's a good bit.

Joe Rogan 24:03 ... it's, it's classic.

Matty Matheson 24:04 It's a classic bit.

Joe Rogan 24:05 You had to see it. Um, so what do they do when you go in for a heart attack? Do they give you liquids in an IV form or lay you down or-

Matty Matheson 24:11 Yeah. I, all of a sudden I get laced up. I get, like, laced up.

Joe Rogan 24:15 Mm.

Matty Matheson 24:15 I get covered. I get all the patches on me. I get the IV.

Joe Rogan 24:18 Right.

Matty Matheson 24:18 I get the thing. I'm in the hospital bed. Things start mellowing out. Things start clicking and really kinda settling. My adrenaline is going down. I start, you know, getting sad, start thinking about life.

Joe Rogan 24:29 Mm.

Matty Matheson 24:29 I put on my headphones, put on Explosions in the Sky.

Joe Rogan 24:33 Oh.

Matty Matheson 24:33 And I'm just like, it's Friday Night Lights in my head.

Joe Rogan 24:36 Mm.

Matty Matheson 24:36 And I'm just, like, start crying.

Joe Rogan 24:37 Aw.

Matty Matheson 24:38 And then, uh, not a big crier. I'm not a crier. But in that moment, I didn't cry, like, when my children were born. I didn't cry. I feel like I'm still ... there's too many broken pieces up there.

Joe Rogan 24:47 Do you have a heart attack song that brings you back to the moment when you had a heart attack?

Matty Matheson 24:50 Maybe just like Explosions in the Sky, just like-

Joe Rogan 24:53 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 24:53 ... Friday Night Lights, the beginning of Friday Night Lights.

Joe Rogan 24:55 That's it?

Matty Matheson 24:55 If I watch, yeah. If I watch Friday Night Lights for some reason, and it like triggers, and I'm just like ... it makes me just wanna party, really.

Joe Rogan 25:01 It makes me ... Heart attacks make me think of Audioslave, for some reason.

Matty Matheson 25:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:06 Chris, Chris Cornell. I, I would think to, like, uh, I Am the Highway. You know that song?

Matty Matheson 25:10 (sings) I am the highway.

Joe Rogan 25:12 (sings) Like a rolling wheel.

Matty Matheson 25:14 (sings) I am the highway.

Joe Rogan 25:16 (sings) I am the highway. I don't know. I'm just expressing myself, Jamie.

Matty Matheson 25:20 Did Jamie have to-

Joe Rogan 25:20 I don't have any under- I don't know why the fuck I think like this.

Matty Matheson 25:23 Did he have a heart attack? Had a, Chris-

Joe Rogan 25:24 Chris Cornell, he's suicide.

Matty Matheson 25:25 Suicide.

Joe Rogan 25:26 Yeah. It's sad.

Matty Matheson 25:27 It is sad, the ultimate.

Joe Rogan 25:28 Yeah. Super sad.

Matty Matheson 25:30 It's sad. But the, uh-

Joe Rogan 25:32 So, heart attack.

Matty Matheson 25:33 We're in the bed.

Joe Rogan 25:34 You're in the bed. You're all covered in electrodes and shit. They're monitoring you.

Matty Matheson 25:37 Electrodes and shit. Then I get up to my room, and they're like, "You have to stay in the hospital for ... until your enzymes flip," your, your cells or whatever flip back, your white cells or whatever. Uh, could take five to 10 days.

Joe Rogan 25:50 Mm.

Matty Matheson 25:51 Uh, I'm like, "Okay. Cool, whatever." Uh, because in Canada, once again, shout out to Canada. The one really cool thing: healthcare. So it's just like, I'm in the hospital for end up, like seven days. And I get a, I get a bill for $6-

Joe Rogan 26:06 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 26:06 ...'cause I had my, a phone in my room. So I had, like, a phone, a live whatever, a fucking old school phone, and so I had to pay for the phone line.

Joe Rogan 26:13 Wow.

Matty Matheson 26:14 Yeah. They don't cover that.

Joe Rogan 26:15 Yeah, that's pretty tight.

Matty Matheson 26:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:16 That's nice.

Matty Matheson 26:17 And so, I am in the hospital, uh, hooked up to everything. They gotta take my blood every two hours, 24 hours a day. And I'm fucking fat, covered in tattoos.

Joe Rogan 26:28 So they have to find a vein.

Matty Matheson 26:29 Yeah. It takes fore- I'm, I'm getting ... It's fucking ... it sucks. But I get out, and, um, you know, I gotta think about a lotta things. You know? I gotta think about what I'm gonna do. I gotta think about who I am. I gotta think about ... The scariest thing is like ... One of the scariest things is your identity. My identity was, if you came to Toronto, you were gonna come to Parts and Labor and party with me. If you were a chef, if you were, like, you know, a cool celebrity, if you were, like, a thing, you would come to Parts and Labor and, like, party.

Joe Rogan 27:02 Right.

Matty Matheson 27:02 You know, kinda thing?

Joe Rogan 27:03 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 27:03 And I was so fixated on this, like, persona, this thing that I'm, like, this party boy. And it was really scary 'cause I was just like, "Am I really that?" You know? Or am I really this genuine ... Like, am I this sweet little boy still? Like, am I, am I this monster that I've kinda created?

Joe Rogan 27:21 Mm.

Matty Matheson 27:21 How do I get back to, like, this place of, like, sanity? How do I get back to this place of, um, just realness? Like, where I can be me, people ... Like, the fear of people not liking you is pretty heavy with most people.

Joe Rogan 27:34 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 27:35 You know? And all of a sudden, I was just like, "No one's gonna like me. No one's ... It's gonna affect my restaurants. It's gonna affect my business. It's gonna affect my, my, my contract with, with fucking Vice." 'Cause I, I, at the V- my very first thing I did with Vice was a show called Hangover Cures where I would take a chef and get them as fucked up as possible. Then the next day, that chef would have to cook me a hangover cure.

Joe Rogan 27:56 Mm.

Matty Matheson 27:56 And so it was just like, at the very beginning, I was so afraid that it was ... my whole identity was drugs, alcohol. It was me. And to separate that and to do the work and to get into fucking all the shit was very scary 'cause it didn't even ... I didn't even get sober for two years after that.

Joe Rogan 28:16 Wow.

Matty Matheson 28:17 So ... Or a year after.

Joe Rogan 28:19 How long after the heart attack do you start partying again?

Matty Matheson 28:21 Three ... It took about three months for me to, like, spruce my goose up enough to get nuts. And that is the turning point when I, I, where I truly believe that I turned into, like, a fucking full-blooded, like, addict. 'Cause then all of a sudden, I had an out, you know. I had a safe out, you know. I had the story. I had the love of all my friends who were like, "Matty, we're with you." You know? So much beautiful support from all of my ... My crew's deep. And I was just like, so much good love from my friends. And then all of a sudden, I started hiding, going to different places, different bars, different little-

Joe Rogan 28:57 Mm.

Matty Matheson 28:57 ... drug homes, I like to call them. You know, little tr-

Joe Rogan 29:00 Traphouse.

Matty Matheson 29:00 Yeah, little places. Little s- little critter, critter little homes.

Joe Rogan 29:04 Is that a traphouse?

Narrator 29:05 No.

Matty Matheson 29:05 No.

Joe Rogan 29:06 Traphouse where you dance?

Matty Matheson 29:07 A traphouse.

Narrator 29:07 Not by itself.

Matty Matheson 29:08 You can do whatever.

Joe Rogan 29:08 What happens in traphouse, you fuck chicks?

Narrator 29:10 You trap it.

Matty Matheson 29:10 Trap it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:10 What happens in traphouses?

Narrator 29:12 Like, where the, the, like, the-

Matty Matheson 29:14 You can say it.

Narrator 29:15 ... business happens.

Joe Rogan 29:16 Oh.

Matty Matheson 29:16 The drug business happens.

Joe Rogan 29:17 The business happens.

Narrator 29:19 And it moves.

Matty Matheson 29:19 And then you go to the other house-

Joe Rogan 29:20 Oh.

Matty Matheson 29:20 ... to use it, usually.

Narrator 29:22 To use the drugs again.

Joe Rogan 29:22 Oh, oh, 'cause you don't get high at a traphouse?

Narrator 29:24 Not really.

Matty Matheson 29:24 Just business.

Narrator 29:25 You can't get high on your own supply though.

Matty Matheson 29:26 No, Joe. Hey, never get high on your own supply. Can't crack a ... Shout out to Biggie. The, um ... You know, I think e- that's when I really was getting fucking crazy. And that's when I started turning, like-

Joe Rogan 29:42 In less fun and more of an addict.

Matty Matheson 29:45 Yeah. I got very violent.

Joe Rogan 29:46 Really?

Matty Matheson 29:47 Yeah. Like, I got, I got banned from our own nightclub. I got banned from, like ... You know, I got walked in on, and I was trying to, like, rob pretty much this drug dealer. I was like, I swung on ... Like, I would be blackout drunk trying to fight my friends and, like, being like, "You can't stop ..." Like, because people would try to stop me. They would like ... I would walk into a bar in, like ... 'cause I'm in the hospitality group. Like, you know, I'm in the crew. So it's just imagine, i- imagine, like, being a comedian, and somebody gets almost, like, blacklisted, but we still love you. But you can't show up here.

Guest (secondary voice) 30:18 Mm.

Matty Matheson 30:19 But we love you. You can do your comedy, like, by yourself out in your car, but you can't come in here.

Guest (secondary voice) 30:24 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 30:24 Right? And I'm just like, "Well, I wanna still go into the bar."

Guest (secondary voice) 30:27 Right.

Matty Matheson 30:27 I go to the bar every day. The bar is my... That's my safe place. You know, I wanna... I wanna go into the bar. Like, let me in. And everyone's like, "You're not dying here. You're not dying at my fucking bar." So then I had to start going to these, like, deeper, darker places and push myself. And... And... And... And before, when I used to do drugs, I never had to say, "Fuck it," in your head. You know when you're about to jump and you gotta be like, "Fuck it, let's go." You know? So those moments when you often have to be like... You have to push yourself. I was doing that with drugs, where I'd be like, "I know... Now I know that I could die." Before, my ego was like, "You'll never die, Matty. You're the fucking man." But now all of a sudden, my ego is a little bit shook. But my ego still is like, "Fuck you. You're gonna keep doing this." And so I had to keep doing it and I had to keep saying, "Fuck you," to myself. So every time that I started doing drugs, I would be like, "Fuck it, let's go." (clears throat) And then that was the moment when I was just like... That's when shit got dark. And so there was like a year of that. And then, by the last time I ever drank (exhales) the last time I ever did a- any, like fucking anything, was, uh, you know, nine years ago, the weekend of November, whatever, 12th. And my friend was visiting from England, a chef, and we were doing a big dinner. And I got so fucking drunk and I... I brought... I walked in Friday service, mid-service. Didn't even show up for work. Took this chef out and... and was just like, you know, didn't tell anybody, I'm just like bringing my buddy around town, being a host. And I show up and all the partners were sitting at one of the chef's tables. So there was like... In the big kitchen at Parts, in this warehouse, there was like three chef tables. So the VIPs, the homies, all the people got to sit in... in the chef tables. And all the partners were sitting there. And I walked in and they're like, "What's up? You don't have to show up for work, bro? You get to do whatever you want to do kind of thing?" Like, what the fuck? And I was just like, "What the fuck do you want?" And I was just like... And I was like, "What do you want? Your restaurant's packed. This fucking... Look at this." And I walked out into the middle of the dining room and I was like, "Hey, everybody, who the fuck is having the best time ever?" And everyone was like, "Ah!" And I wa- looked at all the partners and I was like, "Fuck you. These are m- This is my crew. This is my fucking world." That didn't go well.

Guest (secondary voice) 32:56 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 32:57 Ego.

Guest (secondary voice) 32:58 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 32:58 I was such a psychopathic young psycho.

Guest (secondary voice) 33:02 Well, those two things, booze and coke-

Matty Matheson 33:04 Rev you up.

Guest (secondary voice) 33:04 I mean, they are the accentuators.

Matty Matheson 33:06 I got a little pee-pee. I got a little pee-pee, I gotta make it up somewhere, you know? Like it's... it... it's... it... it is... it's... it's so hard to... to... to, you know, fill the void, you know? And I just... I found that with that. And then, you know, the next day, one of my partners was like, "Hey, let's meet for a coffee. I wanna fire you to your face."

Guest (secondary voice) 33:26 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 33:26 And I was just like, "Okay, yeah, fire me." You can't f- Like, I was just like, "What are you gonna do with your restaurant, bro? What are you gonna do with all your restaurants? I'm the face of your company. I'm the guy." And I showed up and, uh, he's like, "Meet me here. I'll pick you up. We're gonna go for a coffee." And I was like, "Okay, let's meet up." And I knew that I could manipulate and talk to him and, you know, be like, "We're cool. You know I won't do it again."

Guest (secondary voice) 33:50 Addict shit.

Matty Matheson 33:51 Yeah.

Guest (secondary voice) 33:52 Addict shit.

Matty Matheson 33:52 Yeah, just manipulate, manipulate-

Guest (secondary voice) 33:53 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 33:53 ... manipulate, manipulate. And fucking... And, uh, he drives me and it's like, oh my God, he pulls up to like my homie's house, who's like straight edge vegan warrior.

Guest (secondary voice) 34:05 Oh boy.

Matty Matheson 34:05 And I'm just like, "Oh, perfect." (exhales) And then like four of my dudes come out and I'm just like, "Okay, let's see what you fucking losers gotta say."

Guest (secondary voice) 34:17 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 34:17 You know? Let's hear what all my best friends gotta say about me. How much you love me and how much you care about me. Let's see what you fucking like losers gotta say. You know, like instantly going into like hating these people that are trying to like help me. And, uh, you know, the veils that can come... When you sit down in front of your best friends, your true... your... your... your... your true inner circle. The people you can't lie to. The people that you can't... There's no facade. There's no media. There's no nothing. It's you and your friends. And I sat down and I listened for like four hours. And, um, you know, and the next day, one of the guys there goes to meetings and he is like, "We're going to a meeting." And so the next day I walked into a meeting and, um, you know, the miracle happened and I-

Guest (secondary voice) 35:06 A meeting?

Matty Matheson 35:07 Yeah.

Guest (secondary voice) 35:08 What... what... what made you hit the switch? You go from, "Is everybody having a good fucking time?" To, "All right, I'm done."

Matty Matheson 35:15 Yeah, because I think the lying. Within that four-year- four-hour period, that transitional period, I... that was my out. I could stop lying, 'cause I was lying. The lying is what really broke me.

Guest (secondary voice) 35:28 It's about whether or not you were using-

Matty Matheson 35:31 Where I was going, where I was going, the people I was hanging out with, lying to Trish. Another thing, I've been with Trish for like 21 years, you know. She's (sighs) a fucking saint. She's a hard-bodied Italian-Irish woman. She's fucking, you know, three home births. She doesn't fuck around.

Guest (secondary voice) 35:47 Yikes.

Matty Matheson 35:47 She's... she's fucking real deal.

Guest (secondary voice) 35:49 Home births.

Matty Matheson 35:50 Bruh, I'll birth a child right now.

Guest (secondary voice) 35:52 Ooh. Ooh.

Matty Matheson 35:52 Jamie, you got a baby in there?

Narrator 35:53 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 35:53 Let's go. I'll birth you. So the fucking... I was like, "Why isn't Tricia here?" And she's like, "She's out. It's up to you. She's got nothing left to say. She's out. It's up to you now." And I was just like, "Huh, (yawns) I don't like that." And even now, like I... you know, like I feel... I can trigger that feeling of, this is real. This is it. This is... this is a time where I can stop. This is a time where I can (sighs) I don't ha- I can stop.... okay? I acce- you know, I accept that I'm, I, I, I, I have a, a, a chance at not ever having to lie. I've a chance... I don't have to do that again, you know?

Joe Rogan 36:39 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 36:39 And, uh, you know, and then, and then a lot of hard work, a lot of years, a lot of listening, a lot of taking suggestions and doing things that other people say and listening, you know? A lot of suggestions were crucial. The way I was living my life was not the way I should live my life.

Joe Rogan 36:59 Mm.

Matty Matheson 36:59 The insanity, doing things repeatedly thinking there's gonna be a different outcome.

Joe Rogan 37:04 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 37:04 Insanity.

Joe Rogan 37:05 It's just amazing that you went from "fuck everybody" to one meeting-

Matty Matheson 37:11 Mm.

Joe Rogan 37:11 ... and you're like, "Okay."

Matty Matheson 37:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:13 And that was it. No more drinking, no more drugs, no, no relapses. That's it.

Matty Matheson 37:17 That's it.

Joe Rogan 37:18 That's incredible. So you just-

Matty Matheson 37:21 Tha- uh-

Joe Rogan 37:21 You hit the shift.

Matty Matheson 37:22 I hit the shift.

Joe Rogan 37:23 You... So you kinda knew you were going to have to get off the ride eventually.

Matty Matheson 37:27 Well, yeah. Uh, uh, uh... The thing is, is I'm not... I'm not... Uh, I'm more good than bad in the ego, in the dr- you know?

Joe Rogan 37:35 Yes.

Matty Matheson 37:35 I w- I, I'm more aware than unaware. I'm not a fucking idiot.

Joe Rogan 37:39 Right.

Matty Matheson 37:40 I have a nice life. I love my parents. I love my family. I love myself.

Joe Rogan 37:46 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 37:46 You know? And I have a lot of things to live for. And, you know, that was the thing where it was just like, "Am I gonna be," (sighs) you know, "a loser?"

Joe Rogan 37:57 Right.

Matty Matheson 37:57 "Am I gonna be... Am I gonna not have a job? Am I not gonna..." Like, I, I don't come from money. "Am I, uh, I'm not gonna be taken care of. There's no one to take care of me."

Joe Rogan 38:06 Right.

Matty Matheson 38:06 "I need to, like, figure my shit out." Uh, that was, th- that was a good run, you know. I wa- I wa- I was a col- high school, college, fucking my entire career, everything I wanted to do, perfect. I got to do everything my way, and it ended up here, almost dead, friendless, jobless, fucking... From the most popular cool dude, you know, in my head-

Joe Rogan 38:30 To an almost dead guy.

Matty Matheson 38:31 ... to an almost dead guy that, that, that, that nobody actually really liked anymore too.

Joe Rogan 38:35 'Cause you were so off the rails.

Matty Matheson 38:35 A lot of people would see me, 'cause they saw the, you know, I wouldn't shower, I was a psychopath, wear the same clothes every day just like, "Agh," like maniac. So it was just like, "Nobody wants to be around that guy."

Joe Rogan 38:46 So how did you deal with the shift in your identity? 'Cause li- this is... That's an issue for a lot of people when they stop doing something. It's a big issue for fighters. When fighters retire from the sport-

Matty Matheson 38:55 Mm.

Joe Rogan 38:55 ... their identity is wrapped up in fight- that's why so many fighters make ill-advised comebacks later-

Matty Matheson 38:59 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 38:59 ... in their life. Um, what did you do about your identity? Like, how did you release this hold that you had on this idea that you're this party animal? And that that was why you were... that was part of who you were.

Matty Matheson 39:13 Well, I think the thing that helped me truly was make... shifting from a chef. It was at that perfect moment, shifting from one career to another. I was a chef. I was a chef's sh- like, I wa- I only cared about chefs. I didn't care about TV. Fuck you. Fuck anybody on TV. Bourdain's, you know, cool, but fuck everybody.

Joe Rogan 39:31 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 39:31 You know, like, I was like the punk chef guy-

Joe Rogan 39:34 Right.

Matty Matheson 39:34 ... where I was just like, "Being on TV is for kooks." Like, "W- oh yeah, you're gonna be on fucking Food Network? Go fuck yourself-"

Joe Rogan 39:39 Right.

Matty Matheson 39:39 "... you fucking losers."

Joe Rogan 39:41 You sellout.

Matty Matheson 39:41 Yeah, fucking... Yeah, that whole thing.

Joe Rogan 39:44 Yeah, yeah.

Matty Matheson 39:44 And, and then and then Vice, at the exact same moment, was doing a lot of food content and so was I. And so all of a sudden, that was that thing where all of a sudden, I could leave that chef persona behind. All of a sudden, I'm just in front of a camera. And all of a sudden, the, the, the feelings I was getting wasn't from real people, it was actually from, like, you know, comments and, like, being like, "Oh, people fuck with me. I can, I can make content and people... It makes people happy. It fucks... You know, people fuck with what I'm doing."

Joe Rogan 40:16 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 40:17 And all of a sudden, I was just like, that really helped me just be able to be myself. I took myself out of... I made a, a lot of different rules even where I wouldn't be in the restaurant past 10 o'clock. So I would never even finish service. So service would finish at 11:00, but it was triggering for me, uh, for the first year. So, like, I wouldn't-

Joe Rogan 40:39 'Cause that's when everybody partied?

Matty Matheson 40:40 Well, at clean... Like, okay, you know, uh, we're, we're... Last hour, big push. We're going fucking down. Let's fucking amp it up, big... Like finish fucking strong shit. And then we scrub down, and then as soon as we scrub down, everyone gets a beer. Saturday night, I would buy whatever, cocaine for everybody, whoever wants it. Here's cocaine. Here's beers. Let's go fucking party, boys. You know? And, uh, you know, all of a sudden, I didn't have a crew.

Joe Rogan 41:04 So did the other people stop partying as well?

Matty Matheson 41:08 Mm. A lot of my, a lot of my cooks did. There was really... There was a lot of so- so- at the beginning, there was a lot of solidarity.

Joe Rogan 41:16 Oh, that's cool.

Matty Matheson 41:17 And, and we, we... I- it was an interesting thing because also I'm kind of the last of this, like, you know, bro chef shit, like psychopathic dudes that like... I'm like... I was tattooed 'cause I was punk, not because I was a chef, you know? I didn't... I... All of a sudden, there's, like, all these, like, cool chef bros, but I was like, I was like a hardbody, like French-trained chef. And fucking, you know, now everyone's running and jogging and... or running... jo- I, I don't think people like saying jogging, but-

Joe Rogan 41:46 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 41:46 ... you know, everyone's, like, being, like, active and eating well and doing meditation-

Joe Rogan 41:50 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 41:50 ... and all this stuff, so I was like... My crew was, like, a transitional time too, right? Within the last 10 years... Uh, within the last, you know, seven to five years was a big transition in just the mentality of chefs to be like, "Instead of, like, eating chocolate bars and smoking cigarettes and getting drunk and fucked up every day, we're gonna meditate, jog or run, and work out, and be peaceful, and, like, talk about, like, different books that help us and check in on each other." And all of a sudden, there was, like, this big transition with me and our team and all that kind of stuff too, even more so n- now, it's a full, like, thing across our whole company about all that kind of stuff, but, you know-... there was... Like, it was one of those things where we were just like... It was kind of like maybe they were hiding it from me, but there was definitely, like, we wouldn't drink at work anymore. You know? Like, nobody would drink online. Uh, nobody-

Joe Rogan 42:44 Out of respect for you?

Matty Matheson 42:45 Yeah. Like, it was like a thing, like, "We got you, chef."

Joe Rogan 42:47 That's nice.

Matty Matheson 42:47 Yeah. Like, it was... Well, it's like that thing where it's just like, you know, may- maybe they were doing all the drugs and partying to, like, people please me. You know? Maybe they didn't want to go as hard as... I was pushing everyone to be like, "Let's fucking go. We cook hard, we fucking show up for work, and we fucking party 'til 6:00 AM, and then we're at work by 11:00 AM." You know? Like, that's not a sustainable anything.

Joe Rogan 43:07 No. (laughs)

Matty Matheson 43:07 That's not sustainable. And I did that every day, you know. Like, I did that, you know, five, six days a week for 15 years.

Joe Rogan 43:14 Hmm.

Matty Matheson 43:15 You know? Like, uh, I, I went to bed at... My bedtime, like, when Trish would start blowing my phone up was like 6:01. So like, my bed- like, I had to be home by 6:00.

Joe Rogan 43:24 6:00.

Matty Matheson 43:25 Because then she would be like, "Okay. Now you're getting, like, crispy." You know? From like 6:00 AM to like 8:00 AM is when you're, like, calling the drug dealer for the 15th time.

Joe Rogan 43:33 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 43:33 And you're doing, like, the crispy shit then. So like, my bedtime was like 6:00 AM. So then I'd go home, sleep from 6:00 to, like, 10:30, and then go to work.

Joe Rogan 43:42 Four hours?

Matty Matheson 43:43 Yeah, bro.

Joe Rogan 43:44 Oh.

Matty Matheson 43:44 Just a fucking-

Joe Rogan 43:45 That alone-

Matty Matheson 43:45 ... rino.

Joe Rogan 43:46 ... will give you a heart attack.

Matty Matheson 43:46 Yeah, I guess so.

Joe Rogan 43:47 Man, man.

Matty Matheson 43:48 Drank a lot of water though.

Joe Rogan 43:49 Well, that's good.

Matty Matheson 43:50 But it's- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:54 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 43:54 Fucking shout out to water.

Joe Rogan 43:54 I like how that cancels... Yeah, shout out to water. I like how that cancels things out, "I drink water." Yay.

Matty Matheson 44:00 But yeah, like, it, it is-

Joe Rogan 44:02 That's why I asked him earlier, "Do you take vitamins?" He's like, "No, I drink a lot of water though." (laughs)

Matty Matheson 44:05 One booger a day. One booger a day just to make sure-

Joe Rogan 44:08 Oh, you eat one?

Matty Matheson 44:08 ... the immune system... Yeah, the immune system's rocking, so one booger a day. And then, um, and then just fucking 16 liters of, uh, H2O.

Joe Rogan 44:16 Well, it's good to drink water.

Matty Matheson 44:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:18 I agree with that. We can find common ground.

Matty Matheson 44:20 That's our common ground, drinking water.

Joe Rogan 44:22 Yeah, water's good for you.

Matty Matheson 44:23 I like that, Joe.

Joe Rogan 44:24 I think you need more than four hours sleep, but that's just my personal opinion.

Matty Matheson 44:26 Well, now I go to bed at 9:30 and wake up at like 6:00, so...

Joe Rogan 44:29 Oh. Well, that's great.

Matty Matheson 44:30 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:31 Oh, that's really good.

Matty Matheson 44:31 I'm like a 9:30, 10 o'clock latest guy.

Joe Rogan 44:33 Wow. So you're getting a solid, you know, nine-ish, eight and a half?

Matty Matheson 44:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tuck in. I got my sleep apnea mask. (snores)

Joe Rogan 44:41 Oh. Do you have the CPAP machine, one of them things?

Matty Matheson 44:42 Yeah, I got a CPAP machine, but then I don't use it half the time. It's too gnarly. You get... I get up to pee like five times a night because I'm such a great water drinker.

Joe Rogan 44:50 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 44:51 So then, you know, um, yeah, putting the machine back on at like 4:00 AM-

Joe Rogan 44:56 Right.

Matty Matheson 44:56 ... is not good.

Joe Rogan 44:57 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 44:57 But I sleep good. I sleep good. I'm happy. You know, Joe?

Joe Rogan 45:01 This is a heavy story, man.

Matty Matheson 45:03 It's a lot.

Joe Rogan 45:03 So that... But I love the fact that you realized, like when your friends were all... like you were like, "Fuck, what the fuck are you gonna say?" And then you're like, "Oh, I really... That is really it."

Matty Matheson 45:12 W- well, it's just like you, you take the v- you put so many veils on.

Joe Rogan 45:15 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 45:15 You lie.

Joe Rogan 45:16 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 45:16 You lie, you cheat, you fucking-

Joe Rogan 45:18 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 45:18 ... do everything that you need to do to get whatever you need-

Joe Rogan 45:21 Right.

Matty Matheson 45:21 ... 'cause you want it.

Joe Rogan 45:22 'Cause you're trying to fill a void.

Matty Matheson 45:23 Because I deserve it. 'Cause the void filling.

Joe Rogan 45:24 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 45:24 You know? You're, "I need it. I deserve it. Fuck the world. Why, why does, why does he have that? I want that. Fuck. I'm not even gonna do anything, I'm just gonna go do coke with somebody I don't know for six hours."

Joe Rogan 45:34 Hmm.

Matty Matheson 45:34 You know? Like, it's just like, what is that? And then when you're with your real friends and they're really being sweet and they're telling you, like, the real shit, and you, and you just take off the facade.

Joe Rogan 45:45 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 45:45 And you take off the facade and then eventually you're like, "There you are, there you are, Peter." You know Hook, the movie? Robin Williams, great film.

Joe Rogan 45:51 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 45:52 And they're like, "There you are, Peter." (laughs) But yeah, I mean, like, and it's-

Joe Rogan 45:57 People are fucking messy, man.

Matty Matheson 45:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:58 It's messy to be a person.

Matty Matheson 46:00 It is.

Joe Rogan 46:00 And, and you can get wrapped up in that kind of partying.

Matty Matheson 46:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:04 You know? Especially if you're involved in something like you were involved with where you are entertaining.

Matty Matheson 46:09 Mm.

Joe Rogan 46:09 Like, that's part of what you're doing is like you're-

Matty Matheson 46:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:12 ... you're the beast. You're the guy-

Matty Matheson 46:13 And then I became the jester.

Joe Rogan 46:14 Yeah, yeah.

Matty Matheson 46:14 You know?

Joe Rogan 46:15 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 46:15 And then you become like, that's the thing is like, the party's over and you become the fool.

Joe Rogan 46:19 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 46:19 You know? And, and, and it's like, that's the thing is like now I just wanna have a thing... Like, I just want my life to be normal.

Joe Rogan 46:27 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 46:27 You know? I just wanna have my... I wanna go to work Monday to Friday, I wanna have weekends with my family, and that's it. You know? Like, I wanna-

Joe Rogan 46:35 That's great 'cause you got the best of both worlds. Like, you had the experiences that you could talk about.

Matty Matheson 46:39 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 46:39 And you have these... You have the chaos in your past.

Matty Matheson 46:42 Ah.

Joe Rogan 46:43 But yet, you still are having a good time.

Matty Matheson 46:45 Best time.

Joe Rogan 46:45 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 46:46 I can tell... I, I, I... The best time. This is like... And that's the thing is like, my identity is now I am me.

Joe Rogan 46:53 Right.

Matty Matheson 46:53 You know? And it's like, I finally get to just be, but-

Joe Rogan 46:56 Be yourself.

Matty Matheson 46:57 ... be myself.

Joe Rogan 46:57 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 46:57 And I'm like, "I'm a, I'm a weird loudmouth kind of fucking spaz."

Joe Rogan 47:01 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 47:01 And it's just like... And I, you know, I, I, I got mad ADD and I just wanna fucking, like, grab you and like, I really wanna feel your muscles right now.

Joe Rogan 47:09 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 47:09 That's all I'm thinking about, really. I wanna be like, I wanna feel his traps or his biceps. I wanna just grab it and like s-

Joe Rogan 47:14 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 47:14 But that's my head.

Joe Rogan 47:15 Right.

Matty Matheson 47:15 And then I'm like talking about this vulnerable bullshit and I'm just like, "I'm gonna grab his bicep in like two more hours." But it's just like, I think... You know? But I, I get to be me.

Joe Rogan 47:26 I get it.

Matty Matheson 47:26 I get to get a DM from you being like, "Hey, come on the show." And I'm like, "What world am I living in?" You know? And I'm just like, w- I'm, I'm like still my brain is like, "I live on a farm in Ridgeway, Ontario." You know? I'm like, "I'm out here with my kids." And it's just like, I'm so disconnected actually from, uh, you know-

Joe Rogan 47:44 Should we say how you do it, how you get over here? Or should we not say that?

Matty Matheson 47:49 Yeah, yeah. No, no, everything is cool.

Joe Rogan 47:51 Is... Can you, can you... Oh, okay.

Matty Matheson 47:51 No, no, no, no. Everything's cool.

Joe Rogan 47:52 Okay.

Matty Matheson 47:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah.You can talk about it. You wanna talk about it?

Joe Rogan 47:54 'Cause Canada is fucked right now.

Matty Matheson 47:56 Canada's, uh, Canada's juiced.

Joe Rogan 47:58 They're so locked down and I don't understand why they think that's good. I don't understand why they think that's the solution.

Matty Matheson 48:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:05 You know? I mean, we're, we're dealing with an America in weird spots, right? Like, America has states and each state has a different approach. And Florida's got one approach and California has another.

Matty Matheson 48:15 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 48:15 Opposite sides of the country, like literally polar opposite sides-

Matty Matheson 48:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:18 ... of the ideologies. And Florida's doing fucking way better.

Matty Matheson 48:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:21 I was just in Florida and it's like nothing's happening.

Matty Matheson 48:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:24 Like, maybe you'll get sick, maybe you won't, but we're out here with no masks on, 15,000 people in the fucking arena for the-

Matty Matheson 48:31 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:31 ... UFC fights. It was madness.

Matty Matheson 48:32 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 48:33 It was powerful, it was really good. But I'm like, "Hey guys, take your vitamin D, sleep, drink water, let's go."

Matty Matheson 48:39 Let's go.

Joe Rogan 48:40 Like, let's... You can't-

Matty Matheson 48:41 There is a-

Joe Rogan 48:41 You can't do Canada. You can't do what you're doing where you have fucking Gestapo pulling people over for your papers. "Why are you out? Why are you out of the house?"

Matty Matheson 48:48 They're doing a lot of, um-

Joe Rogan 48:48 "There's a cold floating around. Why are you out of the house?"

Matty Matheson 48:51 (laughs) There is, there's a lot of, um, you know-

Joe Rogan 48:54 Overreaction.

Matty Matheson 48:55 There's a lot of overreaction. There's a government, like, uh, you know, shout out to Doug Ford, you're a piece of shit. You know?

Joe Rogan 49:02 He's the brother who, of the guy that died?

Matty Matheson 49:03 He... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:04 The Coke guy?

Matty Matheson 49:04 He... Yeah. He...

Joe Rogan 49:04 He was my favorite.

Matty Matheson 49:05 He w- Dude, he was my hero.

Joe Rogan 49:06 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 49:06 I, I was like that's a-

Joe Rogan 49:07 Who was his name?

Matty Matheson 49:07 There's so many people, uh, d- uh, Rob, Rob For- Rob Ford.

Joe Rogan 49:11 Rob Ford.

Matty Matheson 49:11 You know, rest in peace-

Joe Rogan 49:12 I used to have a-

Matty Matheson 49:12 ... baby.

Joe Rogan 49:12 ... whole bit about him.

Matty Matheson 49:12 Dude, Rob Ford... But, but it's just, like, that's the guy I'm like, that's the guy I wanted to party with. I was like, "I wanna party-"

Joe Rogan 49:17 Oh, yeah.

Matty Matheson 49:17 "... with that guy. I wanna do crack and, like, smoke crack with that guy."

Joe Rogan 49:20 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 49:20 And...

Joe Rogan 49:21 Remember when he was coked up talking about how he was like Mike Tyson and he'd knock-

Matty Matheson 49:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:23 ... the motherfucker out? Remember that?

Matty Matheson 49:25 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:25 I was like, "That is such coke talk." There's no-

Matty Matheson 49:28 That... He has, he didn't even have big forearms, he couldn't knock anybody out. He was just like a big jellybean.

Joe Rogan 49:32 Big forearms or pro- that's a... Or is it shoulders?

Matty Matheson 49:34 What's it... What is it?

Joe Rogan 49:35 I think more shoulders than-

Matty Matheson 49:36 More shoulder than forearm.

Joe Rogan 49:37 Yeah. Tommy Hearns had big shoulders, he didn't really have big forearms. Oh... Well, they were fairly-

Matty Matheson 49:41 Forearms are good.

Joe Rogan 49:42 ... relatively large.

Matty Matheson 49:42 I'm getting hot, Joe. I'm getting hot.

Joe Rogan 49:44 Take this... Show that shirt, bro. Powerful Truth Angels.

Matty Matheson 49:47 (laughs) I made... I, I, I did a stencil drawing, one pencil.

Joe Rogan 49:49 Well, I guarantee you, someone listening to this show is gonna create you some fine art-

Matty Matheson 49:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:53 ... that will represent this podcast. When did you start the podcast?

Matty Matheson 49:57 Um-

Joe Rogan 49:57 You got the ACL?

Matty Matheson 49:58 The, uh... Big dog's sweating.

Joe Rogan 50:00 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 50:00 Well, this coffee, this, this... What is it? What's it called?

Joe Rogan 50:02 Black Rifle.

Matty Matheson 50:02 Black Rifle Coffee. Let me tell you something.

Joe Rogan 50:05 It's the shit.

Matty Matheson 50:05 This, this thing is fucking-

Joe Rogan 50:06 It's legit coffee. Shout out to-

Matty Matheson 50:07 ... that's making my foreskin fucking wrinkle up.

Joe Rogan 50:09 Evan Hafner and Matt Best.

Matty Matheson 50:10 Hey, God bless.

Joe Rogan 50:11 So delish. (slurps)

Matty Matheson 50:13 The, um-

Joe Rogan 50:14 Legit coffee.

Matty Matheson 50:14 Yeah, the podcast, we started the podcast, me and 2 Tone, uh, (sighs) I don't know, like, two years ago.

Joe Rogan 50:21 How often are you doing the YouTube shows?

Matty Matheson 50:23 Okay, so the YouTube shows are great. We're, we're doing... I have, like, three different little studios now. And I'm doing... When I get back from this trip, I'm gonna start doing it weekly, a new cooking show. And Just a Dash is like... I've only made, like, 24 episodes. That's expensive. You know, I pay all my dudes, like, well, and that is expensive to do Just a Dash. We're trying to figure out some funding and-

Joe Rogan 50:45 What's the difference between... I don't know what the names of any of them are.

Matty Matheson 50:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:48 I just find you-

Matty Matheson 50:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:49 ... and then I watch your videos.

Matty Matheson 50:50 That's good.

Joe Rogan 50:51 I love watching-

Matty Matheson 50:51 That's okay.

Joe Rogan 50:52 I love watching cooking videos.

Matty Matheson 50:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:54 As weird as that sounds. I've alw- I don't like cooking television shows-

Matty Matheson 50:57 No.

Joe Rogan 50:57 ... for the most part.

Matty Matheson 50:58 Losers.

Joe Rogan 50:58 Other than Bourdain. I, I really got into them with Bourdain and then I'm like, "Okay, no, I don't really like cooking shows."

Matty Matheson 51:05 But Bourdain-

Joe Rogan 51:05 I like Bourdain.

Matty Matheson 51:05 ... well, he was a human person.

Joe Rogan 51:06 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 51:06 He was a human person.

Joe Rogan 51:07 He was a human person.

Matty Matheson 51:07 He's like, "I don't care what, where you come from, what your story is, fucking tell me." You know?

Joe Rogan 51:11 He was, uh, yeah.

Matty Matheson 51:13 He was people's people.

Joe Rogan 51:14 He was a very unusual dude, I really enjoyed hanging out with him. And he-

Matty Matheson 51:17 I can imagine. I was so afraid of meeting him.

Joe Rogan 51:19 Me too.

Matty Matheson 51:20 I was... And I never did. And I'm happy that I... 'Cause I was so-

Joe Rogan 51:23 You never met him?

Matty Matheson 51:24 I never met him.

Joe Rogan 51:25 Oh.

Matty Matheson 51:25 And I even... Anytime he came to Toronto, I would make sure that I didn't go.

Joe Rogan 51:28 He was-

Matty Matheson 51:28 Because... I don't know, I was just... I was like, "I'm gonna fucking ruin it."

Joe Rogan 51:33 Yeah. (laughs)

Matty Matheson 51:33 "I'm gonna ru- I'm gonna walk up there and be like, 'Hey, Tony, let's do a back-a-c-" You know, I wouldn't have done-

Joe Rogan 51:38 Exactly.

Matty Matheson 51:38 ... the thing that he makes fun of.

Joe Rogan 51:39 Exactly.

Matty Matheson 51:40 'Cause I was too young and too fucking psycho.

Joe Rogan 51:42 And too into meeting him.

Matty Matheson 51:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:44 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 51:44 Where I was just like, "I can't meet him because I'll fucking kook it."

Joe Rogan 51:47 Yeah, I was, uh... I got l- uh, super, like, starstruck when I met him.

Matty Matheson 51:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:53 One of the few people I've met-

Matty Matheson 51:54 Does it happen often?

Joe Rogan 51:55 Not that often.

Matty Matheson 51:56 (laughs) You're starstruck right now.

Joe Rogan 51:57 But it's occasionally. A little bit.

Matty Matheson 51:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:58 Uh, occasionally, like if I meet a rock star, like w- when I met Steven Tyler, I was like-

Matty Matheson 52:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:02 ... "I can't believe that's really him." David Lee Roth weirded me out. I was like, "This is really David Lee Roth?"

Matty Matheson 52:05 That's him, his face.

Joe Rogan 52:06 But he's so-

Matty Matheson 52:07 He looks old.

Joe Rogan 52:07 ... fucking cool, he's so easy to hang with.

Matty Matheson 52:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:10 You know, David Lee Roth doesn't even have a phone.

Matty Matheson 52:12 Incredible.

Joe Rogan 52:12 Like, you have to... He has a lady that w- uh, is like his handler.

Matty Matheson 52:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:16 And, uh, you have to contact the lady.

Matty Matheson 52:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:18 And the lady will drop Dave off and she will say, "Let me know if there's anything wrong or if you need to, like-"

Matty Matheson 52:23 (laughs) It's like a baby.

Joe Rogan 52:24 "... you need to con-..." It's, it's crazy. Like, Dave did-

Matty Matheson 52:26 (sighs) .

Joe Rogan 52:26 I don't even know if he had a wallet, I paid for dinner and I don't know if he had a wallet.

Matty Matheson 52:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:29 He just, he just-

Matty Matheson 52:30 There's no way.

Joe Rogan 52:31 ... hangs.

Matty Matheson 52:31 He doesn't.

Joe Rogan 52:32 He just hangs. And he's the nicest-

Matty Matheson 52:33 That's a good vibe though.

Joe Rogan 52:34 But he's the nicest, most easygoing.

Matty Matheson 52:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:36 He's always laughing.

Matty Matheson 52:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:38 And he... I was like... 'Cause when I was a kid, my sister's boyfriend had a Van Halen license plate.

Matty Matheson 52:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:44 It was like VHNHLN or something like that. Like, we were Van Halen fanatics in high school.

Matty Matheson 52:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:51 So for a... Uh, you know, from running with the devil to, like, all of a sudden I'm hanging out with David Lee Roth, like-

Matty Matheson 52:55 Dude.

Joe Rogan 52:56 It's just... It was too strange.

Matty Matheson 52:57 They're some gods.

Joe Rogan 52:58 It was very strange. But meeting Bourdain was an odd one.

Matty Matheson 53:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:01 And then becoming his friend was an odd one. And, like, I'd text each o- I'd text him about stuff and ask him questions. Like, if I was going to a place... I went to Japan-

Matty Matheson 53:09 Yeah, yeah. You're like, "Where's the spots?"

Joe Rogan 53:09 ... when I was in Japan I was like, "Where, where are the best sushi places?" He gave me, like, some suggest-

Matty Matheson 53:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:13 He would always give me, like, detailed suggestions of where to go and-

Matty Matheson 53:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:17 ... "This is the spot."

Matty Matheson 53:17 Inner sanctum.

Joe Rogan 53:17 "Go there." And, yeah, and I ate with him a, uh, a gang of times 'cause his, uh, ex-wife was, uh, a UFC fanatic.

Matty Matheson 53:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:25 And so I met him at the UFC in Vegas.

Matty Matheson 53:26 Jiu-jitsu, she was jiu-jitsu too, right?

Joe Rogan 53:27 Yeah, yeah.

Matty Matheson 53:27 Octavia.

Joe Rogan 53:28 Yeah, Octavia. She's, she's a beast.

Matty Matheson 53:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:29 She's really talented.

Matty Matheson 53:31 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:31 Um, you know, just really cool, period. But, uh, so she was really into the UFC and then he got really into the UFC too.

Matty Matheson 53:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:37 And so he started coming to some of the UFCs.

Matty Matheson 53:39 Cool.

Joe Rogan 53:40 Came to some of my comedy shows, we hung out-

Matty Matheson 53:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:42 ... we became buddies. I did his television show a- and then, you know?

Matty Matheson 53:46 Where'd you do his... Which one, which ep-

Joe Rogan 53:47 We went pheasant hunting.

Matty Matheson 53:48 Oh, sick.

Joe Rogan 53:49 In Montana.

Matty Matheson 53:49 That's nice.

Joe Rogan 53:50 And that's when I realized how hard he goes.

Matty Matheson 53:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:52 'Cause we were out there in the middle of the woods camping and this motherfucker's-

Matty Matheson 53:55 And he was just like (slurps)

Joe Rogan 53:55 ... just pounding.

Matty Matheson 53:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:56 I brought, I brought a vape pen, we were getting blasted on weed and-

Matty Matheson 54:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:00 ... and we... He just kept drinking, kept going. I'm like, "Uh-"

Matty Matheson 54:03 He can drink it forever.

Joe Rogan 54:04 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 54:04 Like, that's the thing, is, you... I could drink forever.

Joe Rogan 54:06 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 54:07 I could drink, like...... forever. You know, just days. Like, not stopping. And, and, and I think it's just like, that's the thing is, you just, you can't stop because then it, that's when it, the machine breaks down, you know?

Joe Rogan 54:20 Well, that is the thing about alcohol too, right?

Matty Matheson 54:22 You gotta keep it lubed.

Joe Rogan 54:23 Well, no. The alcohol and, benzos and alcohol are the only thing that really ki- or one of the rare things-

Matty Matheson 54:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:28 ... really kill you if you jump off them. That's what they say about Amy Winehouse.

Matty Matheson 54:32 Right, right, it's when you stop.

Joe Rogan 54:32 She died from withdrawals.

Matty Matheson 54:34 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:34 Yeah. Those are-

Matty Matheson 54:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:36 ... benzodiazepines and, and alcohol are apparently the most common for people to die from withdrawal.

Matty Matheson 54:42 That's scary.

Joe Rogan 54:42 Like, a- uh, heroin apparently just makes you really sick.

Matty Matheson 54:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:45 You feel l- like shit.

Matty Matheson 54:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:47 But it doesn't kill you.

Matty Matheson 54:48 No, it's when you stop... And, and that's w-

Joe Rogan 54:49 Or doesn't always kill you.

Matty Matheson 54:50 Yeah. Like, that's the thing is, is it's so scary. And that's the thing too, I think most people, uh, are like, "If I do stop, there's repercussions too."

Joe Rogan 54:57 So what happened when you did stop?

Matty Matheson 54:59 Nothing. (smacks lips) Nothing.

Joe Rogan 55:01 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 55:01 Killed it. Yeah. I d-

Joe Rogan 55:03 You just cold turkeyed.

Matty Matheson 55:04 Well, I went, I, I wasn't, I wasn't doing opiates. I wasn't doing anything. It was just like-

Joe Rogan 55:07 Yeah, but alcohol. But alcohol alone, like-

Matty Matheson 55:09 Well I, I just, uh, I don't know. I didn't really-

Joe Rogan 55:11 Did you get the DTs?

Matty Matheson 55:12 No. I, I-

Joe Rogan 55:13 Wow.

Matty Matheson 55:13 ... it was just kinda like, I'm like a fucking giant baby moose. You know? Like, I was just like, I'm like, I don't know. I broke my foot literally in like four places like six weeks ago, and I'm just w- I had a cast on and everything. I'm walking around like a fucking freak and I'm just like, I don't know. It's like one of those things, I feel like I heal differently or something. Like I just, I'm just like-

Joe Rogan 55:30 Like maybe if you lost weight you'd be a real athlete.

Matty Matheson 55:32 Well, if I, let me tell you something, Joe.

Joe Rogan 55:34 Le- tell me something, please.

Matty Matheson 55:35 Let me tell you something about losing weight.

Joe Rogan 55:36 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 55:36 My big man.

Joe Rogan 55:37 Okay.

Matty Matheson 55:38 One day I'm gonna get there.

Joe Rogan 55:40 Why don't you go with Action Bronson?

Matty Matheson 55:42 You know, well-

Joe Rogan 55:42 Go party with that dude.

Matty Matheson 55:43 Bronson is, is such a, uh-

Joe Rogan 55:45 He'd impress the fuck outta me.

Matty Matheson 55:46 He, he's, he's, he's, uh, he did it. He did the damn thing. He's, and when I-

Joe Rogan 55:50 He's, he lost 130 so far and he's gonna keep going.

Matty Matheson 55:53 Of course.

Joe Rogan 55:53 So he's gonna lose another 30.

Matty Matheson 55:54 Well now he's gotta tune.

Joe Rogan 55:55 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 55:55 Now, n- like, that's the thing is like, it's so sweet. Truly. Like, he, he, he gave me a call. We've had d- our differences over the years and stuff like that, and then he gave me-

Joe Rogan 56:05 You guys squabbled?

Matty Matheson 56:06 We, uh, we had like small squabbles. We had some squabs. But I think it was just like, uh, you know, too, too many cooks in the kitchen with Vice, and I think it was just like, there was a lot of different little things, you know?

Joe Rogan 56:18 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 56:18 And, um, but he gave me a shout and I was wa- like, it was crazy. Like, he started popping up and I was just like, "He's doing it."

Joe Rogan 56:26 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 56:26 And, and, and I was just like, "He's fucking doing it." And I think it's like, uh, you know, it's ve- uh, like I even hit him up like, w- uh, when his book came out I like hit him up and I was just like, "Hey man, like, congratu-" we have the same publisher too. And I was just like, "Congratulations on publication day." Like, you know, "Third book, big one." And this one's like meaningful. You know? Sure your other books are, but I was like, "This one's like a real one." You know? And, uh, uh, you know, it's just very inspiring. But the, I think the thing... So this is addict brain, ego. Now, during the pandemic I had to figure out how to take care of my family. So th- I've been trying to figure out, and these are excuses, how to figure out how to truly take care of my family. 'Cause when the pandemic hit, I was only playing defense with my work. I was flying around the world just getting checks, collecting checks. "Matty Matheson, come here to Australia. Matty Matheson, come here. Come here, come here, come here." Pandemic hit. I had, you know, six months of booked out travel paid, fucking dialed, like here's my year, half a year, gone instantly. Then lost, you know, w- a lot of stuff. I had to f- and then I was just like, "Wait, I'm a, I'm a fucking tool. I'm a gadget. There's no way that this is fucking going down like this." So I had to figure out how to make my own money. And so then that's when I transitioned back into restaurants. So with Maker Pizza, I was just a consultant. Now I'm a partner, but at, for f- the last five years I was just a consultant. So I was like, "I don't even have a fucking restaurant." I'm this chef tr- t- traveling around the world being a chef. I'm not a chef. A chef isn't a fucking MD, you're not a fucking doctor. A chef is a person that trains other cooks how to fucking cook. If you're in front of your team, you're a chef. If you walk outside, I don't believe you're... Like, you're not a chef, you're just a person. You know, chefs aren't these fucking monolithic things. You have to be-

Joe Rogan 58:19 They have to be in action.

Matty Matheson 58:20 Yeah. I, I, I strongly believe that. Like, if you are in a kitchen, you're a chef. If you are leading a team, teaching them how to cut better, sharpen their knives, cut vegetables, take care of things, build stocks, build dishes, understand the ergonomics of a dish, then you're a chef. But I, uh, I was just like, "I'm not anything now 'cause I'm on, I'm only as good as my last paycheck."

Joe Rogan 58:43 Right.

Matty Matheson 58:43 So I'm just like, "There's no more paychecks." So I had to, was like, you know, I had some restaurant partners and then I was like, "We're gonna activate. We're gonna build out some things, we're gonna build out some concepts, we're gonna start doing some shit." And we went into action and we started doing those things, and it's taken up a lot of time and a lot of mental capacity. And, and I believe after this foot breaking, that I truly... I have a, this gym that I built in my barn, and it's a great gym. I got the TRX, I got squat racks, I got the kettle bells, I got the fucking balls, I got the fucking bands. I got all this shit in my barn. And you know, I just got out of my boot like, uh, two weeks ago and my main concern shortly is going to be that next level. Because it's just like right now, I had to figure out, you know, I'm not The Rock. You know, 5:00 AM wake up, I got my reg- to build a new routine that I... I've never had a routine. I've been a fat kinda kid my whole life. You know, I played sports in high school, fucking lacrosse and shit. But it was like never like a, I was never like an athlete-athlete. You know? I was always like a fatter, I was like the fat brother. My brother, abs, big dick, way to go Steve. My younger brother, like bigger than me, fucking massive, strong motherfucker. 20,000 steps a day, psychopath, concrete backpack, walking around the fucking neighborhood like a psychopath. My brother's fucking ripped. Me, I was always the fat kid. So I always have that ego too, where I fucking, "Fuck them, they just, their DNA is better than mine." So I fought with, you know, being the fat kid, fought with being this, you know, whatever, y- just being this shape, you know? And now...... I've built, uh, to a level where I feel comfortable with my team, that I can start focusing my energy and time more on, you know, my physical self, which will help my mental self, which will now help everything else. So I think I'm trying to like build my own Swiss clock of my Matty world. And right now, I had to set up a financial foundation of businesses, which I have, and now I'm go... And I have my home with my family taken care of. And now I can kind of ten- start tending to Matty a little bit. Does that make sense?

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 Yes. It's a long-

Matty Matheson 1:01:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 ... journey of words to get to you're gonna lose weight.

Matty Matheson 1:01:04 Yeah, Joe. Yes, Joe.

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 I get it. I get it. You're preparing.

Matty Matheson 1:01:07 But I, you know, I get worked up today, I'm like, like look at these pumps. I got pump ups. You wanna arm wrestle? What are you like, what are you... I think I need to (laughs) you know, Joe, I would like to lose weight.

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 1:01:20 But I also think it's like, fuck, I know that my cardiologist, my cardiologist, I don't have high blood pressure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 1:01:27 I don't have high cholesterol.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 That's amazing.

Matty Matheson 1:01:29 It's incredible. I don't understand it. And my cardiologist was like, "I'm the best cardiologist in the country. You don't need-

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 Yeah, but it's Canada.

Matty Matheson 1:01:36 ... to meet up with me." Yeah, it's f- yeah. Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 So what does that even mean?

Matty Matheson 1:01:38 They're fucking brilliant.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 They get paid slave labor.

Matty Matheson 1:01:40 No, they get paid-

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 Yeah, they get pennies on the dollar.

Matty Matheson 1:01:42 ... they get hundreds of millions.

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 They get paid loonies. Little-

Matty Matheson 1:01:43 They get loonies, they have hundreds of millions of loonies.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 1:01:46 They... She definitely has a Range Rover. She's doing fine.

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 (laughs)

Matty Matheson 1:01:49 You know, and yeah, d- dude, when I... It was so funny, the, the thing about healthcare in America versus Canada, perfect example. I break my foot in LA. I break my foot in LA, I, I break three metacarcinals on the top of my foot.

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 How'd you break it?

Matty Matheson 1:02:05 Slipped off a curb and I like... my foot got stuck almost on the curb and I like, the way that I compressed or fell-

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 (inhales deeply)

Matty Matheson 1:02:14 ... it like snapped the three metacarcinals.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 Ah, ai, ai.

Matty Matheson 1:02:17 So it's like because in LA the curbs are high because of the water, like in Canada our curbs are shorter. So-

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Right.

Matty Matheson 1:02:23 ... my, my, my, my-

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 You have good drainage.

Matty Matheson 1:02:25 ... agility, my agility, we have great drainage, sandy soil, and my fucking, my, my, my... I was like literally, it was the stupidest thing, I fell down like a baby, I was like a turtle laying in the middle of fucking Melrose, I was like Melrose and Myrtle, and I was like at my homie-

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 You should not want to be hurt on Melrose these days either.

Matty Matheson 1:02:43 (laughs) No, bro.

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 That's like a Mad Max movie.

Matty Matheson 1:02:45 Dude, it's crazy out there right now.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 Isn't it weird?

Matty Matheson 1:02:48 (laughs) Dude, I was the... I did a photo sh- I'm doing this thing and I had to do a photo shoot and they wanted to do it just on Hollywood B- Boulevard.

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 1:02:54 And I was just like, "Yeah, let's go. Let's do it." And it was just... it was like-

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 You might as well be on skid row.

Matty Matheson 1:03:00 Yeah, it, it, it, it's there, but it's... fuck it, whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 So you broke your foot?

Matty Matheson 1:03:05 So I broke my foot, Joe. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 So this, all this gym that you have set up, you haven't used it, but you set it up like-

Matty Matheson 1:03:09 It's the beef barn. We, we-

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 Eventually.

Matty Matheson 1:03:11 ... you can call it the beef... It's the beef barn.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 You're gonna... Are you gonna get a trainer? That's what you should do, honestly.

Matty Matheson 1:03:14 So I have, I have some... I have so many beautiful people around me, so many knowledgeable people around me. And that's the thing, I'm friends with like... because of Pat from RUCCA, and like, I've, I've have access to so many amazing athletes now that like, they're all like, "Let us know, anytime." And, uh, you know, I just gotta, I gotta mentally get to that place.

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 Just do it.

Matty Matheson 1:03:39 Listen-

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 All this jabber, jabber, jabber.

Matty Matheson 1:03:41 Jabber, jabber, jabber.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 You're jabbering too much about it. I know this is the same thing as-

Matty Matheson 1:03:45 I said it was excuses, Joe.

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 I know. I know, you did say it.

Matty Matheson 1:03:47 I said it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:48 But you-

Matty Matheson 1:03:48 I'll excuse you all day.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 I know you will. I, I think we could help you. I think we can make this push happen because-

Matty Matheson 1:03:53 Okay, you're gonna produce... I wanna do a, a movie.

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 No.

Matty Matheson 1:03:57 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:03:58 I'm busy.

Matty Matheson 1:03:59 I'm busy!

Joe Rogan 1:04:00 I'm not producing any movies.

Matty Matheson 1:04:01 Don't produce a movie.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 I'm not doing shit.

Matty Matheson 1:04:03 I'm just gonna do work.

Joe Rogan 1:04:03 Anytime anybody says-

Matty Matheson 1:04:05 I wanna do something with you.

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 ... "Let's do this." I go, "Mm-mm."

Matty Matheson 1:04:06 No.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 I'm not doing shit.

Matty Matheson 1:04:08 Hunt, debark, debarchery.

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 I'm not doing anything more than I'm already doing. What I'm doing-

Matty Matheson 1:04:11 It's a perfect amount of things.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 ... is exactly what I'm doing. I have three jobs. I don't need any more things.

Matty Matheson 1:04:16 Three jobs is a lot.

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 That's a lot of stuff.

Matty Matheson 1:04:18 It's a lot of stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 One of them is pretty easy.

Matty Matheson 1:04:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 You know.

Matty Matheson 1:04:21 Which one's the easy one?

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 UFC.

Matty Matheson 1:04:22 UFC is the easy one?

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 Yeah.

Matty Matheson 1:04:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 That's pretty easy because I just have to watch fights and-

Matty Matheson 1:04:25 Is there any kind of like, um, prep or like-

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 Mm-hmm.

Matty Matheson 1:04:29 ... you, you know everybody?

Joe Rogan 1:04:31 Watching fights. There's too many fighters now. I can't know everybody. So what I do is-

Matty Matheson 1:04:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 ... leading up to fights now, I'll watch everybody that's on the card, I'll watch some, some event they've been in.

Matty Matheson 1:04:40 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 Something that they're really good at.

Matty Matheson 1:04:41 So you have something to talk about, their tics or their punches or something.

Joe Rogan 1:04:44 Yeah, I wanna know. I wanna be able to watch like maybe they have a tendency, maybe they have something that they're really good at and something... Like some guys like, uh, Oleksiy Oliynyk, he's like a really good grappler, but not the best striker, like more plotting.

Matty Matheson 1:04:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:56 Like som-... So you see, oh, he's fighting this guy. This guy is very light on his feet. This is gonna be a problem. And you... I sort of piece together what I think would be like, uh, situations that could-

Matty Matheson 1:05:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 ... possibly occur in a fight and what to look for.

Matty Matheson 1:05:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 You know?

Matty Matheson 1:05:09 And that UFC that just happened.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 Woo!

Matty Matheson 1:05:12 Special UFC, right?

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 Oh my god.

Matty Matheson 1:05:13 Am I crazy?

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 So special.

Matty Matheson 1:05:14 Was that like just a special UFC?

Joe Rogan 1:05:16 It was special in ev- in every way.

Matty Matheson 1:05:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:18 It was special in that it had been a year since we had a full crowd and so literally the first fight, these two girls were getting ready to walk to the octagon, the lights went down, and it was probably only like 25% capacity at that time, they hadn't all showed up yet because it was early, it was like-

Matty Matheson 1:05:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 ... the first fight was like 6:00 PM.

Matty Matheson 1:05:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:38 Um, as soon as the lights went down, everybody went fucking mad house, just, "Yeah." And we-

Matty Matheson 1:05:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:46 I took my headphones off and I looked around and, and we were like, "Whoa." And me and Jon Anik and Daniel Cormier are looking at each other like, "Boys, this is crazy." And we took a photo. There's a photo that's on my Instagram of, uh, Jon Anik, Megan Olivi, me and Daniel Cormier right before the fight started. We were so happy.

Matty Matheson 1:06:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:05 We were like beaming.

Matty Matheson 1:06:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:07 It was just like it felt so great because we'd been calling fights over the past year, but we had been doing it, uh, with no audience at the Apex Center, like there.

Matty Matheson 1:06:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 We were so happy there.

Matty Matheson 1:06:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 Like look at Megan.

Matty Matheson 1:06:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:19 Look at that smile.

Matty Matheson 1:06:20 Yeah, it's great.

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 We were so happy.It's just-

Matty Matheson 1:06:23 And-

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 ... you know, that's the pay-per-view cr- crew. And we... And also, we could do this. We could hug each other. And