Joe Rogan Experience #1641 - Matty Matheson

1. 0:00 – 2:10

   Brisket ambush: Franklin’s vs. Terry Black’s and instant food coma

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (drumbeats)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day.

   3. NANarrator0:09

      (upbeat music) You good?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Is it on?

   5. NANarrator0:16

      Yeah. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Is it on?

   7. NANarrator0:18

      (laughs)

   8. MMMatty Matheson0:18

      The first thing I say, is, "Is the butter at-"

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Perfect for you-

   10. MMMatty Matheson0:21

       Buttered asshole.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       ... for anybody else, it would be a real issue.

   12. MMMatty Matheson0:23

       It would be.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       For you, it's on brand.

   14. MMMatty Matheson0:24

       It's on... I'm on brand.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Yeah, you're always on brand.

   16. MMMatty Matheson0:26

       I am a brand.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Dude-

   18. MMMatty Matheson0:27

       Yes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       ... speaking of on brand, you, uh, you fucked this podcast up because you stepped in here with some Franklin's brisket. My God, sir.

   20. MMMatty Matheson0:34

       Oh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       You, you, you made everybody... You put everybody into a-

   22. MMMatty Matheson0:38

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       ... sedated state.

   24. MMMatty Matheson0:40

       Well-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Franklin's brisket, by the way, may I, may I say, that was my first time eating it and-

   26. MMMatty Matheson0:43

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       ... the fucking hype is real.

   28. MMMatty Matheson0:45

       The hype is real. It's a beautiful thing. Aaron, beautiful person, beautiful brisket.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       The brisket's real.

   30. MMMatty Matheson0:49

       You're welcome. I'm trying to slow you down.
2. 2:10 – 4:15

   Powerful Truth Angels plug + tactical angel-wing brainstorm

   1. MMMatty Matheson2:10

      That's a shout out. Um, I just wanna ask you a quick question.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:14

      Okay.

   3. MMMatty Matheson2:14

      This is an easy question.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:15

      Okay, Matty.

   5. MMMatty Matheson2:16

      Have you ever listened to my podcast?

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:18

      No.

   7. MMMatty Matheson2:19

      I have a podcast called Powerful Truth Angels.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      No. (laughs)

   9. MMMatty Matheson2:22

      Okay? I have a podcast called Powerful Truth Angels.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:24

       What the fuck does it mean? The name's amazing.

   11. MMMatty Matheson2:25

       It's incredible.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       Do you have a T-shirt?

   13. MMMatty Matheson2:27

       I made it. This is our first one we've ever made.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:29

       (laughs)

   15. MMMatty Matheson2:29

       I Sharpied it because I was like, "I'm going on like the biggest..." This is like, this is like the, what is it? The Oprah of podcasts.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:36

       Bropria.

   17. MMMatty Matheson2:36

       The Bropria.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:37

       The Bropria.

   19. MMMatty Matheson2:38

       So I- I was just like, "I need to wear a shirt because I ha- I have a podcast with my, my co-host, Two Tone," and, um, I just wanted to quickly... I know this is a big podcast. It's doing well.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       It's doing pretty good.

   21. MMMatty Matheson2:49

       It's doing well. And so I just wanted to take this chance to just-

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       Shout out your own show.

   23. MMMatty Matheson2:54

       ... shout out my own show because I just thought that this is hor- this is, uh, you know, I'm trying... I, I won't talk about it again, but I wanted-

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:59

       Dude, I want a picture of you with the angel wings and maybe some sort of a weapon.

   25. MMMatty Matheson3:03

       Yeah, like a crossbow, bazooka-

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:06

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   27. MMMatty Matheson3:06

       ... grenade launcher.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:07

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. Grenade launcher.

   29. MMMatty Matheson3:08

       Flame laser eyes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       Yeah, and, and maybe some of them, um, the old school runner's goggles.
3. 4:15 – 6:24

   Haircuts, nostalgia, and a detour into graffiti ethics

   1. MMMatty Matheson4:15

      A flat top's great. Did you ever have a flat top? I feel like you were a flat top guy.

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:18

      Uh, maybe.

   3. MMMatty Matheson4:19

      Like a little one, like a tight-

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:20

      I had a crew cut.

   5. MMMatty Matheson4:20

      Crew cut.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:21

      I had a crew cut. I never got it flat though.

   7. MMMatty Matheson4:22

      No.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:23

      Yeah.

   9. MMMatty Matheson4:23

      Never truly flat.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       No.

   11. MMMatty Matheson4:25

       It takes a lot to go all the way flat.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       Yeah, it's a weird look, the flat top. I feel like, uh, black guys can pull it off really well. Chris Rock had a nice flat top back in the day.

   13. MMMatty Matheson4:35

       He had a nice one. The Boss Rock. Great guy.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:36

       Kid n Play. Remember he had the real tall one?

   15. MMMatty Matheson4:37

       Play had the big one. That's the biggest one.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:39

       Real tall.

   17. MMMatty Matheson4:39

       That's the one, I feel.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:40

       Yeah.

   19. MMMatty Matheson4:40

       That is the one.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       Super high top.

   21. MMMatty Matheson4:42

       Oh, the super high tops. It's so nice.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:45

       Yeah.

   23. MMMatty Matheson4:45

       But the, uh, you know, I'm glad you acknowledged Powerful Truth Angels. Are you a graffiti guy?

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       Um-

   25. MMMatty Matheson4:50

       Are you into graffiti?

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       I enjoy it if it's consensual.

   27. MMMatty Matheson4:54

       Yes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       I think there's a problem with graffiti, it's like, "I have amazing art that I'm putting on your fucking building."

   29. MMMatty Matheson4:58

       Yes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       And you're like, "Hey, dick."
4. 6:24 – 11:27

   Childhood UFC nights: parents drinking while kids fight

   1. MMMatty Matheson6:24

      You know, and I want to say when I was a young kid and at the beginning of the UFC, uh, my family were very into the UFC at the beginning.

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:34

      Mm.

   3. MMMatty Matheson6:34

      And they still are to this day. Uh, but me and my friends, it was amazing. My parents used to... We would watch them at the very beginning, like the Royce Gracie and the Tanks and the-

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:43

      Yeah.

   5. MMMatty Matheson6:43

      ... the early shit. Like you'd have like a 500-pound sumo guy fighting a karate person that's 120 pounds and we used to fight. My parents used to... Like, our, our, all of our parents' friends, they would have all the kids and we would have to... After the UFC, we would all have to fight each other.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:56

      (laughs)

   7. MMMatty Matheson6:56

      It was like battle royal and, and, uh, me and my two brothers and then all of our friends would always be over there and we'd have to fight each other after. We were all ramped up. My parents would just be all around drinking, having a good time-

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:07

      (blowtorch sound)

   9. MMMatty Matheson7:07

      ... watching their kids beat the shit out of each other and, uh-

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:10

       That seems very Canadian.

   11. MMMatty Matheson7:12

       Yeah, it was nice. You know, a 10-year-old just fighting, like, a 16-year-old and you're-

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:16

       (laughs)

   13. MMMatty Matheson7:16

       ... just like, you know, after watching, you know, Royce Gracie choke hold somebody. I don't know.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       Do you may- think maybe, think that some of that early head trauma is responsible for your outrageous behavior?

   15. MMMatty Matheson7:27

       I think there's, there... Yeah, there's just a lot of, there's a lot of damage up here.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:31

       (laughs)

   17. MMMatty Matheson7:31

       There's a lot of damage. There's a lot of shakened up. I'm, I'm like a bag of milk, you know, a Canadian b- There's a lot of stuff inside and it wants-

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:38

       Right.

   19. MMMatty Matheson7:38

       ... to get out, but it moves around. I think... I, I've never had as a, um... I've never had a black eye in my life.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:45

       Really?

   21. MMMatty Matheson7:45

       Never. And I've been in a lot of fights and I've been punched in the face a million times and for some reason, I've never had a black eye.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:54

       That's pretty crazy.

   23. MMMatty Matheson7:55

       It is. And I remember one time, uh, at a New Year's Eve party, I was hammered before, you know, this is early shit, and, and I got so drunk and I was so funny and I started... I was like, "I want a fucking black eye." And I, I told him-

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:10

       (blowtorch sound)

   25. MMMatty Matheson8:10

       ... everyone at the party was allowed to punch me in the face as hard as they could.

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:14

       Jesus Christ, Matty.

   27. MMMatty Matheson8:14

       And I was like, "Line up, line the fuck up-"

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:16

       No.

   29. MMMatty Matheson8:16

       ... you losers." And I would... I was like, "You fucking losers. You fucking losers. You guys don't know how to punch. You can't punch. You can't punch me in the face." And I would like fucking fuck with them and then I'd be like, "Punch me in the face." And then at the end of the night, I had all these welts all over my face, but nobody still got me clean in the face where I got the fucking, uh, black eye.

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:35

       Wow. (laughs)
5. 11:27 – 18:37

   From party culture to sobriety: drugs, booze, and chef-world Valhalla

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:27

      When did you get sober?

   2. MMMatty Matheson11:28

      (sighs) Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:30

      (laughs)

   4. MMMatty Matheson11:31

      When did I get sober? Isn't that a great question? Um-

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:34

      Guys like you who get sober-

   6. MMMatty Matheson11:35

      November 12th.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:36

      ... have a wonderful s- Just this year?

   8. MMMatty Matheson11:38

      No. No.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:39

      Oh.

   10. MMMatty Matheson11:39

       2000... What's, like, nine years ago?

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:41

       Um, 2002?

   12. MMMatty Matheson11:43

       2000... Two thou- N- Two... Nine years ago is 2002?

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:47

       12? (laughs)

   14. MMMatty Matheson11:48

       How?

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:48

       I knew there was a two.

   16. MMMatty Matheson11:48

       Big JR with the mathematics. Let's go.... (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:53

       That seems to be 12.

   18. MMMatty Matheson11:53

       You're like... Yeah, I'm like two... Nine years ago, you're like two thous-

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:57

       I forget what year it is, bro.

   20. MMMatty Matheson11:57

       1997.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:58

       I'm living in the past.

   22. MMMatty Matheson11:59

       Yeah. No, like nine years ago, I had a intervention to stop the brutality that I was d- putting onto myself.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:06

       What were you doing? What was your drug of choice?

   24. MMMatty Matheson12:07

       My drug of... Cocaine.

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:09

       (singing)

   26. MMMatty Matheson12:09

       (singing)

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:09

       (imitating gunshots)

   28. MMMatty Matheson12:09

       (singing) I just wanted...

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:15

       (singing)

   30. MMMatty Matheson12:15

       I wanted everything. I was a garbage head.
6. 18:37 – 26:17

   Heart attack at 29: the pain, the hospital, and Canada’s healthcare

   1. MMMatty Matheson18:37

      And, and it was just like one of those things. So at 29, I'm 39 now, so at 29 I had a heart attack, right? So, I had a heart attack after about a three-day binge, no sleep, big fucking work, you know, just like 15 years, my whole life of, of being a maniac, being a psychopath, being like I'll do anything on the table. Whatever's on the table, I'll do it, no problem, no questions asked. No, like, demons even.

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:08

      Right.

   3. MMMatty Matheson19:08

      I just wanna have... Like literally, I just wanted to fucking get so fucked up. And I didn't even know why I wanted to get so fucked up. And then, um, and then the heart attack happened, and it was like a crazy kind of moment. That was like a crazy thing 'cause it happened, like, in my sleep. And I woke up, so it was like after I crashed after three days.

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:32

      Oof.

   5. MMMatty Matheson19:32

      So, I'm at home and I wake up at, like, 5:00 in the morning, and it's after, like, a Saturday night shift. And I was like, "I'm done. I, like, haven't slept in three days. I'm just going to fucking bed. See ya." And I go home and I wake up at, like, 5:00, 5:30 in the morning. And b- I'm a big dude, so I used to do this thing, like if I was partying, like, really hard and I'd get, like, palpitations, (coughs) I would do this thing where I'm, like, doing, like, almost like jumping jacks. And I would like, (coughs) cough out the palpitations that I would feel. And I thought that was doing well. I don't know if you do that-

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:05

      (laughs)

   7. MMMatty Matheson20:05

      ... when you're working out and you feel your heart rate getting to where you feel like your heart's gonna explode. But I used to do this, like, jumping jack thing. And I'd be, like, at a party just shoveling cocaine in my face, and all of a sudden I'd be like, (coughs) ha! Ha! (coughs) Ha!

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:18

      (laughs)

   9. MMMatty Matheson20:18

      And I'm doing this thing. And everyone's like, "What's he doing?" And I'm like, "I'm at the level now. Now I'm at, like, the good pace." And, uh, like a fucking goddamn cheetah. And, and then I, you know, and then I woke up and I was like, "I think I'm gonna have a heart attack."

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:34

       What, what was it feeling like?

   11. MMMatty Matheson20:35

       Okay. It was a, like a uncompromising vice grip on my heart.

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:41

       Hmm.

   13. MMMatty Matheson20:41

       So, it was like this thing that was getting tighter, and it wouldn't stop. If I moved or anything, and I would stand up and I was, like, stretching and I was doing all these things. And I was just like, "This is just, it's just clenching, and it's getting tighter and it, and it, and it hurts like something I've never..." And I'm like third-degree burns, cut my tendons off, break my shit. Like I under- I'm covered in tattoos. I understand pain. I understand levels of pain. I understand, you know, all that kinda shit. And I was like, "This is something I've never felt before."

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:13

       Hmm.

   15. MMMatty Matheson21:13

       And this is something that I'm like, I know my palpitations. I know, like, you know, coke boy fucking psycho shit. And I'm just like, "This is not that. This is like..." And I was like, "Trish, take me to the hospital." And, and Trish is like, "Okay, yeah? It's go time?" And I'm like, "It's happening."

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:26

       (laughs)

   17. MMMatty Matheson21:26

       It's like we're having a kid. I was like, "You got your, your drug addict boyfriend, like, overnight hospital bag? Let's go."

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:32

       Like did she anticipate that this was eventually gonna take place?

   19. MMMatty Matheson21:38

       I don't know. If you asked her, maybe. We were... I was so in it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:41

       When you said, "Take me to the hospital," like if I said to the-

   21. MMMatty Matheson21:44

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:44

       ... my wife, "Take me to the hospital."

   23. MMMatty Matheson21:45

       (laughs) Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:45

       She'd be like, "Why?"

   25. MMMatty Matheson21:47

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:47

       I would have to explain.

   27. MMMatty Matheson21:48

       Well-

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:48

       Like, "I think I'm having a heart attack."

   29. MMMatty Matheson21:49

       Yeah, like-

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:50

       She'd be like, "What the fuck are you talking about?"
7. 26:17 – 28:19

   Identity collapse: party-boy persona, Vice hangover show, and fear of being ‘boring’

   1. MMMatty Matheson26:17

      And so, I am in the hospital, uh, hooked up to everything. They gotta take my blood every two hours, 24 hours a day. And I'm fucking fat, covered in tattoos.

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:28

      So they have to find a vein.

   3. MMMatty Matheson26:29

      Yeah. It takes fore- I'm, I'm getting ... It's fucking ... it sucks. But I get out, and, um, you know, I gotta think about a lotta things. You know? I gotta think about what I'm gonna do. I gotta think about who I am. I gotta think about ... The scariest thing is like ... One of the scariest things is your identity. My identity was, if you came to Toronto, you were gonna come to Parts and Labor and party with me. If you were a chef, if you were, like, you know, a cool celebrity, if you were, like, a thing, you would come to Parts and Labor and, like, party.

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:02

      Right.

   5. MMMatty Matheson27:02

      You know, kinda thing?

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:03

      Yeah.

   7. MMMatty Matheson27:03

      And I was so fixated on this, like, persona, this thing that I'm, like, this party boy. And it was really scary 'cause I was just like, "Am I really that?" You know? Or am I really this genuine ... Like, am I this sweet little boy still? Like, am I, am I this monster that I've kinda created?

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:21

      Mm.

   9. MMMatty Matheson27:21

      How do I get back to, like, this place of, like, sanity? How do I get back to this place of, um, just realness? Like, where I can be me, people ... Like, the fear of people not liking you is pretty heavy with most people.

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:34

       Yeah.

   11. MMMatty Matheson27:35

       You know? And all of a sudden, I was just like, "No one's gonna like me. No one's ... It's gonna affect my restaurants. It's gonna affect my business. It's gonna affect my, my, my contract with, with fucking Vice." 'Cause I, I, at the V- my very first thing I did with Vice was a show called Hangover Cures where I would take a chef and get them as fucked up as possible. Then the next day, that chef would have to cook me a hangover cure.

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:56

       Mm.

   13. MMMatty Matheson27:56

       And so it was just like, at the very beginning, I was so afraid that it was ... my whole identity was drugs, alcohol. It was me. And to separate that and to do the work and to get into fucking all the shit was very scary 'cause it didn't even ... I didn't even get sober for two years after that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan28:16

       Wow.

   15. MMMatty Matheson28:17

       So ... Or a year after.

8. 28:19 – 38:46

   The dark turn: secrecy, violence, and the intervention that finally stuck

   1. JRJoe Rogan28:19

      How long after the heart attack do you start partying again?

   2. MMMatty Matheson28:21

      Three ... It took about three months for me to, like, spruce my goose up enough to get nuts. And that is the turning point when I, I, where I truly believe that I turned into, like, a fucking full-blooded, like, addict. 'Cause then all of a sudden, I had an out, you know. I had a safe out, you know. I had the story. I had the love of all my friends who were like, "Matty, we're with you." You know? So much beautiful support from all of my ... My crew's deep. And I was just like, so much good love from my friends. And then all of a sudden, I started hiding, going to different places, different bars, different little-

   3. JRJoe Rogan28:57

      Mm.

   4. MMMatty Matheson28:57

      ... drug homes, I like to call them. You know, little tr-

   5. JRJoe Rogan29:00

      Traphouse.

   6. MMMatty Matheson29:00

      Yeah, little places. Little s- little critter, critter little homes.

   7. JRJoe Rogan29:04

      Is that a traphouse?

   8. NANarrator29:05

      No.

   9. MMMatty Matheson29:05

      No.

   10. JRJoe Rogan29:06

       Traphouse where you dance?

   11. MMMatty Matheson29:07

       A traphouse.

   12. NANarrator29:07

       Not by itself.

   13. MMMatty Matheson29:08

       You can do whatever.

   14. JRJoe Rogan29:08

       What happens in traphouse, you fuck chicks?

   15. NANarrator29:10

       You trap it.

   16. MMMatty Matheson29:10

       Trap it. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan29:10

       What happens in traphouses?

   18. NANarrator29:12

       Like, where the, the, like, the-

   19. MMMatty Matheson29:14

       You can say it.

   20. NANarrator29:15

       ... business happens.

   21. JRJoe Rogan29:16

       Oh.

   22. MMMatty Matheson29:16

       The drug business happens.

   23. JRJoe Rogan29:17

       The business happens.

   24. NANarrator29:19

       And it moves.

   25. MMMatty Matheson29:19

       And then you go to the other house-

   26. JRJoe Rogan29:20

       Oh.

   27. MMMatty Matheson29:20

       ... to use it, usually.

   28. NANarrator29:22

       To use the drugs again.

   29. JRJoe Rogan29:22

       Oh, oh, 'cause you don't get high at a traphouse?

   30. NANarrator29:24

       Not really.
9. 38:46 – 47:54

   Rebuilding life: new routines, chef culture shift, sleep, CPAP, and self-respect

   1. JRJoe Rogan38:46

      So how did you deal with the shift in your identity? 'Cause li- this is... That's an issue for a lot of people when they stop doing something. It's a big issue for fighters. When fighters retire from the sport-

   2. MMMatty Matheson38:55

      Mm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan38:55

      ... their identity is wrapped up in fight- that's why so many fighters make ill-advised comebacks later-

   4. MMMatty Matheson38:59

      Right, right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan38:59

      ... in their life. Um, what did you do about your identity? Like, how did you release this hold that you had on this idea that you're this party animal? And that that was why you were... that was part of who you were.

   6. MMMatty Matheson39:13

      Well, I think the thing that helped me truly was make... shifting from a chef. It was at that perfect moment, shifting from one career to another. I was a chef. I was a chef's sh- like, I wa- I only cared about chefs. I didn't care about TV. Fuck you. Fuck anybody on TV. Bourdain's, you know, cool, but fuck everybody.

   7. JRJoe Rogan39:31

      Mm-hmm.

   8. MMMatty Matheson39:31

      You know, like, I was like the punk chef guy-

   9. JRJoe Rogan39:34

      Right.

   10. MMMatty Matheson39:34

       ... where I was just like, "Being on TV is for kooks." Like, "W- oh yeah, you're gonna be on fucking Food Network? Go fuck yourself-"

   11. JRJoe Rogan39:39

       Right.

   12. MMMatty Matheson39:39

       "... you fucking losers."

   13. JRJoe Rogan39:41

       You sellout.

   14. MMMatty Matheson39:41

       Yeah, fucking... Yeah, that whole thing.

   15. JRJoe Rogan39:44

       Yeah, yeah.

   16. MMMatty Matheson39:44

       And, and then and then Vice, at the exact same moment, was doing a lot of food content and so was I. And so all of a sudden, that was that thing where all of a sudden, I could leave that chef persona behind. All of a sudden, I'm just in front of a camera. And all of a sudden, the, the, the feelings I was getting wasn't from real people, it was actually from, like, you know, comments and, like, being like, "Oh, people fuck with me. I can, I can make content and people... It makes people happy. It fucks... You know, people fuck with what I'm doing."

   17. JRJoe Rogan40:16

       Yeah.

   18. MMMatty Matheson40:17

       And all of a sudden, I was just like, that really helped me just be able to be myself. I took myself out of... I made a, a lot of different rules even where I wouldn't be in the restaurant past 10 o'clock. So I would never even finish service. So service would finish at 11:00, but it was triggering for me, uh, for the first year. So, like, I wouldn't-

   19. JRJoe Rogan40:39

       'Cause that's when everybody partied?

   20. MMMatty Matheson40:40

       Well, at clean... Like, okay, you know, uh, we're, we're... Last hour, big push. We're going fucking down. Let's fucking amp it up, big... Like finish fucking strong shit. And then we scrub down, and then as soon as we scrub down, everyone gets a beer. Saturday night, I would buy whatever, cocaine for everybody, whoever wants it. Here's cocaine. Here's beers. Let's go fucking party, boys. You know? And, uh, you know, all of a sudden, I didn't have a crew.

   21. JRJoe Rogan41:04

       So did the other people stop partying as well?

   22. MMMatty Matheson41:08

       Mm. A lot of my, a lot of my cooks did. There was really... There was a lot of so- so- at the beginning, there was a lot of solidarity.

   23. JRJoe Rogan41:16

       Oh, that's cool.

   24. MMMatty Matheson41:17

       And, and we, we... I- it was an interesting thing because also I'm kind of the last of this, like, you know, bro chef shit, like psychopathic dudes that like... I'm like... I was tattooed 'cause I was punk, not because I was a chef, you know? I didn't... I... All of a sudden, there's, like, all these, like, cool chef bros, but I was like, I was like a hardbody, like French-trained chef. And fucking, you know, now everyone's running and jogging and... or running... jo- I, I don't think people like saying jogging, but-

   25. JRJoe Rogan41:46

       (laughs)

   26. MMMatty Matheson41:46

       ... you know, everyone's, like, being, like, active and eating well and doing meditation-

   27. JRJoe Rogan41:50

       Mm-hmm.

   28. MMMatty Matheson41:50

       ... and all this stuff, so I was like... My crew was, like, a transitional time too, right? Within the last 10 years... Uh, within the last, you know, seven to five years was a big transition in just the mentality of chefs to be like, "Instead of, like, eating chocolate bars and smoking cigarettes and getting drunk and fucked up every day, we're gonna meditate, jog or run, and work out, and be peaceful, and, like, talk about, like, different books that help us and check in on each other." And all of a sudden, there was, like, this big transition with me and our team and all that kind of stuff too, even more so n- now, it's a full, like, thing across our whole company about all that kind of stuff, but, you know-... there was... Like, it was one of those things where we were just like... It was kind of like maybe they were hiding it from me, but there was definitely, like, we wouldn't drink at work anymore. You know? Like, nobody would drink online. Uh, nobody-

   29. JRJoe Rogan42:44

       Out of respect for you?

   30. MMMatty Matheson42:45

       Yeah. Like, it was like a thing, like, "We got you, chef."
10. 47:54 – 55:30

    Pandemic politics & lockdowns: Canada vs. Florida/California, freedom, and health messaging

    1. JRJoe Rogan47:54

       'Cause Canada is fucked right now.

    2. MMMatty Matheson47:56

       Canada's, uh, Canada's juiced.

    3. JRJoe Rogan47:58

       They're so locked down and I don't understand why they think that's good. I don't understand why they think that's the solution.

    4. MMMatty Matheson48:05

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan48:05

       You know? I mean, we're, we're dealing with an America in weird spots, right? Like, America has states and each state has a different approach. And Florida's got one approach and California has another.

    6. MMMatty Matheson48:15

       (coughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan48:15

       Opposite sides of the country, like literally polar opposite sides-

    8. MMMatty Matheson48:18

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan48:18

       ... of the ideologies. And Florida's doing fucking way better.

    10. MMMatty Matheson48:21

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan48:21

        I was just in Florida and it's like nothing's happening.

    12. MMMatty Matheson48:24

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan48:24

        Like, maybe you'll get sick, maybe you won't, but we're out here with no masks on, 15,000 people in the fucking arena for the-

    14. MMMatty Matheson48:31

        Yeah. (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan48:31

        ... UFC fights. It was madness.

    16. MMMatty Matheson48:32

        It's crazy.

    17. JRJoe Rogan48:33

        It was powerful, it was really good. But I'm like, "Hey guys, take your vitamin D, sleep, drink water, let's go."

    18. MMMatty Matheson48:39

        Let's go.

    19. JRJoe Rogan48:40

        Like, let's... You can't-

    20. MMMatty Matheson48:41

        There is a-

    21. JRJoe Rogan48:41

        You can't do Canada. You can't do what you're doing where you have fucking Gestapo pulling people over for your papers. "Why are you out? Why are you out of the house?"

    22. MMMatty Matheson48:48

        They're doing a lot of, um-

    23. JRJoe Rogan48:48

        "There's a cold floating around. Why are you out of the house?"

    24. MMMatty Matheson48:51

        (laughs) There is, there's a lot of, um, you know-

    25. JRJoe Rogan48:54

        Overreaction.

    26. MMMatty Matheson48:55

        There's a lot of overreaction. There's a government, like, uh, you know, shout out to Doug Ford, you're a piece of shit. You know?

    27. JRJoe Rogan49:02

        He's the brother who, of the guy that died?

    28. MMMatty Matheson49:03

        He... Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan49:04

        The Coke guy?

    30. MMMatty Matheson49:04

        He... Yeah. He...
11. 55:30 – 1:04:22

    Work, weight loss, and ‘just do it’: building a gym, trainers, and sustainable habits

    1. JRJoe Rogan55:30

       Like maybe if you lost weight you'd be a real athlete.

    2. MMMatty Matheson55:32

       Well, if I, let me tell you something, Joe.

    3. JRJoe Rogan55:34

       Le- tell me something, please.

    4. MMMatty Matheson55:35

       Let me tell you something about losing weight.

    5. JRJoe Rogan55:36

       Yeah.

    6. MMMatty Matheson55:36

       My big man.

    7. JRJoe Rogan55:37

       Okay.

    8. MMMatty Matheson55:38

       One day I'm gonna get there.

    9. JRJoe Rogan55:40

       Why don't you go with Action Bronson?

    10. MMMatty Matheson55:42

        You know, well-

    11. JRJoe Rogan55:42

        Go party with that dude.

    12. MMMatty Matheson55:43

        Bronson is, is such a, uh-

    13. JRJoe Rogan55:45

        He'd impress the fuck outta me.

    14. MMMatty Matheson55:46

        He, he's, he's, he's, uh, he did it. He did the damn thing. He's, and when I-

    15. JRJoe Rogan55:50

        He's, he lost 130 so far and he's gonna keep going.

    16. MMMatty Matheson55:53

        Of course.

    17. JRJoe Rogan55:53

        So he's gonna lose another 30.

    18. MMMatty Matheson55:54

        Well now he's gotta tune.

    19. JRJoe Rogan55:55

        Yeah.

    20. MMMatty Matheson55:55

        Now, n- like, that's the thing is like, it's so sweet. Truly. Like, he, he, he gave me a call. We've had d- our differences over the years and stuff like that, and then he gave me-

    21. JRJoe Rogan56:05

        You guys squabbled?

    22. MMMatty Matheson56:06

        We, uh, we had like small squabbles. We had some squabs. But I think it was just like, uh, you know, too, too many cooks in the kitchen with Vice, and I think it was just like, there was a lot of different little things, you know?

    23. JRJoe Rogan56:18

        Mm-hmm.

    24. MMMatty Matheson56:18

        And, um, but he gave me a shout and I was wa- like, it was crazy. Like, he started popping up and I was just like, "He's doing it."

    25. JRJoe Rogan56:26

        Yeah.

    26. MMMatty Matheson56:26

        And, and, and I was just like, "He's fucking doing it." And I think it's like, uh, you know, it's ve- uh, like I even hit him up like, w- uh, when his book came out I like hit him up and I was just like, "Hey man, like, congratu-" we have the same publisher too. And I was just like, "Congratulations on publication day." Like, you know, "Third book, big one." And this one's like meaningful. You know? Sure your other books are, but I was like, "This one's like a real one." You know? And, uh, uh, you know, it's just very inspiring. But the, I think the thing... So this is addict brain, ego. Now, during the pandemic I had to figure out how to take care of my family. So th- I've been trying to figure out, and these are excuses, how to figure out how to truly take care of my family. 'Cause when the pandemic hit, I was only playing defense with my work. I was flying around the world just getting checks, collecting checks. "Matty Matheson, come here to Australia. Matty Matheson, come here. Come here, come here, come here." Pandemic hit. I had, you know, six months of booked out travel paid, fucking dialed, like here's my year, half a year, gone instantly. Then lost, you know, w- a lot of stuff. I had to f- and then I was just like, "Wait, I'm a, I'm a fucking tool. I'm a gadget. There's no way that this is fucking going down like this." So I had to figure out how to make my own money. And so then that's when I transitioned back into restaurants. So with Maker Pizza, I was just a consultant. Now I'm a partner, but at, for f- the last five years I was just a consultant. So I was like, "I don't even have a fucking restaurant." I'm this chef tr- t- traveling around the world being a chef. I'm not a chef. A chef isn't a fucking MD, you're not a fucking doctor. A chef is a person that trains other cooks how to fucking cook. If you're in front of your team, you're a chef. If you walk outside, I don't believe you're... Like, you're not a chef, you're just a person. You know, chefs aren't these fucking monolithic things. You have to be-

    27. JRJoe Rogan58:19

        They have to be in action.

    28. MMMatty Matheson58:20

        Yeah. I, I, I strongly believe that. Like, if you are in a kitchen, you're a chef. If you are leading a team, teaching them how to cut better, sharpen their knives, cut vegetables, take care of things, build stocks, build dishes, understand the ergonomics of a dish, then you're a chef. But I, uh, I was just like, "I'm not anything now 'cause I'm on, I'm only as good as my last paycheck."

    29. JRJoe Rogan58:43

        Right.

    30. MMMatty Matheson58:43

        So I'm just like, "There's no more paychecks." So I had to, was like, you know, I had some restaurant partners and then I was like, "We're gonna activate. We're gonna build out some things, we're gonna build out some concepts, we're gonna start doing some shit." And we went into action and we started doing those things, and it's taken up a lot of time and a lot of mental capacity. And, and I believe after this foot breaking, that I truly... I have a, this gym that I built in my barn, and it's a great gym. I got the TRX, I got squat racks, I got the kettle bells, I got the fucking balls, I got the fucking bands. I got all this shit in my barn. And you know, I just got out of my boot like, uh, two weeks ago and my main concern shortly is going to be that next level. Because it's just like right now, I had to figure out, you know, I'm not The Rock. You know, 5:00 AM wake up, I got my reg- to build a new routine that I... I've never had a routine. I've been a fat kinda kid my whole life. You know, I played sports in high school, fucking lacrosse and shit. But it was like never like a, I was never like an athlete-athlete. You know? I was always like a fatter, I was like the fat brother. My brother, abs, big dick, way to go Steve. My younger brother, like bigger than me, fucking massive, strong motherfucker. 20,000 steps a day, psychopath, concrete backpack, walking around the fucking neighborhood like a psychopath. My brother's fucking ripped. Me, I was always the fat kid. So I always have that ego too, where I fucking, "Fuck them, they just, their DNA is better than mine." So I fought with, you know, being the fat kid, fought with being this, you know, whatever, y- just being this shape, you know? And now...... I've built, uh, to a level where I feel comfortable with my team, that I can start focusing my energy and time more on, you know, my physical self, which will help my mental self, which will now help everything else. So I think I'm trying to like build my own Swiss clock of my Matty world. And right now, I had to set up a financial foundation of businesses, which I have, and now I'm go... And I have my home with my family taken care of. And now I can kind of ten- start tending to Matty a little bit. Does that make sense?
12. 1:04:22 – 1:35:44

    Martial arts and fandom spiral: UFC 261 highs, Seagal/Aikido, samurai strategy, and jiu-jitsu origins

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:04:22

       UFC.

    2. MMMatty Matheson1:04:22

       UFC is the easy one?

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:04:23

       Yeah.

    4. MMMatty Matheson1:04:23

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:04:23

       That's pretty easy because I just have to watch fights and-

    6. MMMatty Matheson1:04:25

       Is there any kind of like, um, prep or like-

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:04:29

       Mm-hmm.

    8. MMMatty Matheson1:04:29

       ... you, you know everybody?

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:04:31

       Watching fights. There's too many fighters now. I can't know everybody. So what I do is-

    10. MMMatty Matheson1:04:34

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:04:35

        ... leading up to fights now, I'll watch everybody that's on the card, I'll watch some, some event they've been in.

    12. MMMatty Matheson1:04:40

        Right, right.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:04:41

        Something that they're really good at.

    14. MMMatty Matheson1:04:41

        So you have something to talk about, their tics or their punches or something.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:04:44

        Yeah, I wanna know. I wanna be able to watch like maybe they have a tendency, maybe they have something that they're really good at and something... Like some guys like, uh, Oleksiy Oliynyk, he's like a really good grappler, but not the best striker, like more plotting.

    16. MMMatty Matheson1:04:56

        Right.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:04:56

        Like som-... So you see, oh, he's fighting this guy. This guy is very light on his feet. This is gonna be a problem. And you... I sort of piece together what I think would be like, uh, situations that could-

    18. MMMatty Matheson1:05:05

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:05:06

        ... possibly occur in a fight and what to look for.

    20. MMMatty Matheson1:05:08

        Mm-hmm.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:05:09

        You know?

    22. MMMatty Matheson1:05:09

        And that UFC that just happened.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:05:12

        Woo!

    24. MMMatty Matheson1:05:12

        Special UFC, right?

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:05:13

        Oh my god.

    26. MMMatty Matheson1:05:13

        Am I crazy?

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:05:14

        So special.

    28. MMMatty Matheson1:05:14

        Was that like just a special UFC?

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:05:16

        It was special in ev- in every way.

    30. MMMatty Matheson1:05:18

        Yeah.

Episode duration: 2:54:38