Joe Rogan Experience #1652 - Anthony Cumia

1. 0:00 – 3:07

   Welcome back: beer tasting, bottle-opening hacks, and catching up

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Young Anthony Cumia.

   3. ACAnthony Cumia0:15

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      My friend, good to see you.

   5. ACAnthony Cumia0:18

      Everyone calls me that, Young Anthony Cumia.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      That... Well, he's Young Jamie so you must be Young Anthony.

   7. ACAnthony Cumia0:22

      No.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      Dude, uh, there is not a fucking show on Earth that inspired me to do a podcast more than Opie & Anthony. That is a fact.

   9. ACAnthony Cumia0:30

      I, I love hearing that.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       It is a fact.

   11. ACAnthony Cumia0:32

       And, you know, uh, uh, to be, uh, part of the, the cycle that you went through in your head to build this empire that you now have, uh, I'm honored.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       It's 100% true. And it's not just that, it's also you when you were doing Live from the Compound.

   13. ACAnthony Cumia0:47

       (laughs) Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       When you were doing it from your house in the basement with a machine gun singing karaoke.

   15. ACAnthony Cumia0:51

       (laughs) With a hobby. Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       With a green screen behind you. And it was like, "He's having so much fun." Jamie, do we have a bottle opener? This, this is... I thought this was a regular one. Is it? I don't think so. I can open a bottle with anything, by the way. I can open one, I can open one with a lighter. I can do that.

   17. ACAnthony Cumia1:04

       Yeah, a lighter?

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Yeah.

   19. ACAnthony Cumia1:05

       My dad taught me with a, a belt buckle when I was out in California, um, learning to be a man-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       This...

   21. ACAnthony Cumia1:11

       ... under my father's tutelage.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       This is from Phil's buddy. What was Phil's buddy's name? The guy that, uh... Phil Demers? His buddy who's, like, a big time beer freak. This is... You gotta try some of this. It's very interesting. It's beer, but it does not taste like regular beer. But it's very good.

   23. ACAnthony Cumia1:28

       And I'm a... I slum it all the time with just, uh, Bud's. Um-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       Yeah, I mean-

   25. ACAnthony Cumia1:33

       People are like, "Oh, Budweiser." It's like, there's nothing better. You could pound a case of Bud sitting, like, by a, out by the pool. It's got... But then occasionally-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       Cheers.

   27. ACAnthony Cumia1:42

       ... try something else. Cheers, Joe.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       Cheers. Good to see you, my friend.

   29. ACAnthony Cumia1:45

       Good to see you. Good to be in Austin.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:46

       Good to be here. Mm.
2. 3:07 – 5:45

   Opie & Anthony’s early ‘cancellations’ and the move to subscriber-funded independence

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:07

      So, we were talking before this, uh, podcast started that you, when you left Opie & Anthony, you went and decided to do your own thing behind a pay wall.

   2. ACAnthony Cumia3:16

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:17

      So, you're, you're like in this position, you're sort of un-cancelable. There's... You don't have all the trappings that everybody else has in terms of, like, sponsors and-

   4. ACAnthony Cumia3:27

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:28

      ... people coming after you. You just have subscribers.

   6. ACAnthony Cumia3:31

      Yeah, this was, uh, a conscious decision because, uh, I saw it coming a while ago, the, uh, what they call cancel culture thing.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:39

      Well, you guys get hit with it first-

   8. ACAnthony Cumia3:42

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:42

      ... out of all the people that I've ever heard of because when you guys had that homeless person on who said he wanted to... What did he say? He wanted to rape Condoleezza Rice?

   10. ACAnthony Cumia3:49

       Condoleezza Rice and the Queen of England-

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:51

       Yeah.

   12. ACAnthony Cumia3:51

       ... and the First Lady. I, I gotta, I gotta say something about that, though. We had just gotten to satellite radio from FM radio.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:59

       Yeah.

   14. ACAnthony Cumia3:59

       And to us, this was like, "All right, it opens up a whole new world of what we can do." So, I thought, "What, what better place to just showcase a homeless person?" Let's see what rantings and ramblings come out of a homeless person's mind.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       Yeah.

   16. ACAnthony Cumia4:14

       So, bring him up in the studio, put him in front of a mic, and let him go off. It's satellite.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:19

       Yeah.

   18. ACAnthony Cumia4:19

       It's not... No FCC rules and regs. And the guy starts talking about crazy stuff and, and raping political figures and, uh, the Queen of England. And we think it's hilarious because you're getting that insight. You're getting into the mind of a, a crazy homeless guy on the street. And, uh, the shit hits the fan. "Oh, my God, Condoleezza Rice that brings the sex thing and, and the race thing and all that." And they lost their mind. And we were like, "Oh, shit. We're getting fired again?" Like, "We're gonna get fired for this."

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:53

       But, but what ha- Y- you didn't get fired, but you guys-

   20. ACAnthony Cumia4:55

       No.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:55

       ... got suspended for-

   22. ACAnthony Cumia4:56

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       ... for how long?

   24. ACAnthony Cumia4:58

       We got suspended for, uh, I think it was a month. I think that was a month suspension, from satellite radio, but we were still at K-Rock in New York-

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       Yeah.

   26. ACAnthony Cumia5:07

       ... doing that show in the morning, because we used to do both.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       Yeah, we used to go across with the microphones.

   28. ACAnthony Cumia5:12

       Yeah, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       I did that with you guys.

   30. ACAnthony Cumia5:13

       We did the walkover.
3. 5:45 – 10:12

   ‘Birth of podcasts’: why O&A’s chaos worked (and why it was different than formatted radio)

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:45

      You guys were the birth of podcasts.

   2. ACAnthony Cumia5:49

      It was a podcast on the radio.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:51

      Yeah.

   4. ACAnthony Cumia5:51

      We didn't know it at the time. We didn't know what a-

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:53

      Nobody knew what a podcast was.

   6. ACAnthony Cumia5:53

      ... podcast was, but it was a bunch of guys that you find funny, you like hanging out with-

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:58

      Yeah.

   8. ACAnthony Cumia5:59

      ... talking about anything. And that seems to be what the formula is. Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:03

      But you guys figured it out first, because every other radio show that I did, like if I did Stern or an- anything else you did, it was very formatted. It was like-

   10. ACAnthony Cumia6:11

       Regimented, yeah, timed.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:12

       ... like, he had some things he wanna talk, he wanted to talk to me about Fear Factor. He wanted to talk to me about the UFC.

   12. ACAnthony Cumia6:18

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       He had questions about this, and, you know, it's always like, and then you have a call-in, and then you have celebrity guests, and he, he had it all, like, very smooth. You guys would just bring a bunch of people in-

   14. ACAnthony Cumia6:31

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       ... and then Patrice would start talking and Burr would start talking-

   16. ACAnthony Cumia6:34

       Ugh.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:34

       ... and Ari would start talking, and it was just chaos.

   18. ACAnthony Cumia6:36

       Dude-

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:37

       And we were all- we were ha- just having fun.

   20. ACAnthony Cumia6:38

       Just having fun.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:40

       Yeah.

   22. ACAnthony Cumia6:40

       When, when you have a room of those guys, Nick DiPaolo and Patrice, God rest his soul-

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:48

       Norton.

   24. ACAnthony Cumia6:48

       ... and Bill Burr, Norton, uh, all these guys, Colin Quinn, they're all in a room, you can't lose.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:56

       Right. Yeah.

   26. ACAnthony Cumia6:57

       Like, like, as... People will hear it and say, "Holy shit, that was one of the funniest shows." And it's like, "What show?" The Opie and Anthony Show.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:04

       Yeah.

   28. ACAnthony Cumia7:04

       So people remember the name of the show-

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       Yeah.

   30. ACAnthony Cumia7:08

       ... but all these other guys are delivering this amazing funny comedy. Uh, so it worked that way, and we, we embraced that, and just started bringing these comics, uh, back on in different combinations, 'cause you know better than anyone, some of the funniest stuff you'll ever hear are guys shitting on each other.
4. 10:12 – 13:19

   Male-oriented entertainment, ‘toxic masculinity,’ and the pressure to sanitize comedy

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:12

      Yeah, for sure. But this, this... The other thing about, like, what you guys did was you created a safe place for men.

   2. ACAnthony Cumia10:20

      Mm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:21

      Like, where you could just be a fucking idiot.

   4. ACAnthony Cumia10:24

      One of the last bastions of-

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:25

      But that's the thing, it's like-

   6. ACAnthony Cumia10:26

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:26

      ... there's a lot of men out there, but there's not a lot of entertainment that's geared towards men.

   8. ACAnthony Cumia10:32

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:32

      And one of the things that comes up on my podcast, when the advertising people get to talk and they're like, "Jesus Christ, he's got like 94% men. Like, what is going on here? This is crazy."

   10. ACAnthony Cumia10:41

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:41

       I'm like, "Z- they're not represented. They're not-"

   12. ACAnthony Cumia10:44

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:44

       Men are not represented. It's like, I don't know what the number is of regular television, but it's not geared towards men.

   14. ACAnthony Cumia10:50

       No, not at all.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       It's, there's some, there's, like, The Talk and The View and there's a lot of these shows that are geared towards women.

   16. ACAnthony Cumia10:57

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:57

       But in terms of, like, a man show, you can't have a m- like, a male-oriented show on network television. It would be toxic.

   18. ACAnthony Cumia11:05

       It's a personal affront to-

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:07

       Yeah.

   20. ACAnthony Cumia11:07

       ... feminism and women.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:09

       Yeah.

   22. ACAnthony Cumia11:09

       And regardless, it's just men being men. I don't know where this-

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:12

       Which is weird, right?

   24. ACAnthony Cumia11:13

       I don't know where this idea came from that, uh, in the past even couple of decades, which, you know, relative to, uh, a tortoise or a mayfly, you know, it, it, it varies how long a period of time that is. But in that period of time, we as humans were supposed to have physically and mentally evolved to this point where men don't still wanna talk about tits and cars and lifestyle stuff-

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:41

       Guns.

   26. ACAnthony Cumia11:41

       ... and bash each other... Guns, of course. Like, we, uh, I, I think there are people that actually think we, we have evolved out of that-

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:50

       You know why?

   28. ACAnthony Cumia11:50

       ... instead of being brainwashed.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:52

       Because there's a lot of men, a lot of men that are henpecked-

   30. ACAnthony Cumia11:54

       Yeah.
5. 13:19 – 16:10

   When media got big: ‘the suits,’ conglomerates, and losing creative freedom

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:19

      ... the problem is the suits.

   2. ACAnthony Cumia13:20

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:20

      The problem was not the content.

   4. ACAnthony Cumia13:21

      Always.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:22

      The problem was the suits. The problem was the people going, "Hey, hey, hey. You can't... This is not..."

   6. ACAnthony Cumia13:26

      Oh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:26

      Like, meanwhile, did you just see what happened? Everyone was crying laughing. That's entertainment.

   8. ACAnthony Cumia13:31

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:31

      And, and like-

   10. ACAnthony Cumia13:31

       That's what they want.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:32

       Yeah.

   12. ACAnthony Cumia13:32

       That's... It, it, it got to a point where early on, even when I got in, which was, again, late in the game, but early on in the '80s and '90s, all they gave a shit about were ratings. If you had ratings and you did something stupid, you'd get this, uh, slap on the wrist in public, and behind the door with the GM and the PD and all the other management people, they'd be like, "Oh my God, that was great. Great job. Oh, look, take off a week paid. We'll say you're suspended and that's it." They really did this. And we, we went through a few of those. And, and it turned into, they really did get mad.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:11

       (laughs)

   14. ACAnthony Cumia14:11

       And they really started suspending you without pay and firing you. And these were these suits, like you say, that just didn't understand the talent end of the business anymore. And, and when radio stations were owned by, uh, mom and pop operations... We, we were at WAAF up in, uh, Massachusetts, and it was owned by Zappas Communications. I met Zappas. I met the guy. Uh, when we went to Infinity Broadcasting, there was no Mr. Infinity.

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:39

       (laughs)

   16. ACAnthony Cumia14:39

       There was Mel Karmazin and there was all the suits from CBS-

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:43

       They got big. They got real big.

   18. ACAnthony Cumia14:44

       And CBS has affiliates and they also deal in laundry detergent with this subsidiary.

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:50

       Oh.

   20. ACAnthony Cumia14:50

       And like you say something, and baby diapers don't sell. Like that's how... When it got really fucked up and personalities weren't able to do what they do anymore, because now you're fucking up their sales in the burger industry. And you know, Zappas owned a fucking radio station.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:08

       Yeah.

   22. ACAnthony Cumia15:09

       And he loved when his radio station got ratings. That was all it was to it. Now, it's all a conglomerate of bullshit.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:18

       As things get big, they get... When they get bigger, things generally get more complicated and you lose any freedom. You lose any of the magic.

   24. ACAnthony Cumia15:27

       Yep.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       One of the best things that happened with this podcast, like in, in this weird journey from doing it in my, uh, my spare bedroom to doing it in a weird studio-

   26. ACAnthony Cumia15:41

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       ... to, to... All the way to Spotify, is this is the fucking show.

   28. ACAnthony Cumia15:46

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       This... It's a skeleton crew. And there's some people behi- They're like, uh, "I have a manager," and then there's some people that like argue with her.

   30. ACAnthony Cumia15:54

       (laughs) Yeah.
6. 16:10 – 18:52

   Testing platform tolerance: Alex Jones, deplatforming, and ‘discrediting’ narratives

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:10

      They're fucking great. They don't say shit. And I tested it too, like when I brought Alex Jones on.

   2. ACAnthony Cumia16:15

      Yes.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:16

      I was like, "Let's see. Let's see. You guys talk a lot of shit. Let's see."

   4. ACAnthony Cumia16:19

      Fluoride. Fluoride turns the frogs gay.

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:22

      Yeah. Well it was-

   6. ACAnthony Cumia16:22

      And you're like, "Oh, okay."

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:23

      It wasn't f- Was it fluoride? No, it was-

   8. ACAnthony Cumia16:25

      I think fluoride.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:25

      It's some other stuff.

   10. ACAnthony Cumia16:26

       It might be something else.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       It's... Well, it's the phthalates, right?

   12. ACAnthony Cumia16:29

       Well, whatever it is, it's obviously the globalists.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       Yeah. Well, dude, he-

   14. ACAnthony Cumia16:32

       I love that guy.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:33

       That fucking guy is right way more than he's wrong.

   16. ACAnthony Cumia16:36

       Oh my God, yes.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       Way more. Especially now, when, when people-

   18. ACAnthony Cumia16:39

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       ... are talking about actual microchips being injected into your arm to see if you have COVID-19. He's like, "I fucking told you, Joe Rogan." Right.

   20. ACAnthony Cumia16:44

       It sounded preposterous-

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:46

       Yeah.

   22. ACAnthony Cumia16:46

       ... years ago when he was saying a lot of this stuff.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:48

       Yeah.

   24. ACAnthony Cumia16:48

       And as it all starts coming to fruition, you're like, "Wait, Alex Jones had it?"

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:53

       Yeah.

   26. ACAnthony Cumia16:54

       "He was the guy that was saying all this?" But then other people have said he's thrown so much shit against the wall, something's gotta stick. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       That's true too. That's true too. But I think it's like... Honestly, he's right 80% of the time.

   28. ACAnthony Cumia17:05

       Oh, yeah. Don't get me wrong.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:06

       Yeah.

   30. ACAnthony Cumia17:06

       I adore the guy. I, I, I sit in, uh, for his show. I was doing every Thursday, I would do the last hour of his show. I'd do a crossover with him, and then I had the InfoWars logo behind me.
7. 18:52 – 22:12

   COVID narratives: Wuhan lab debate, Fauci/Rand Paul, and shifting goalposts

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:52

      Well, also, how about ideas? Like, here's a big one, the idea that this virus came from a lab in Wuhan.

   2. ACAnthony Cumia19:00

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:00

      That was so discredited, like, there was a, an article in one of them liberal rags. It was like, "Joe, Joe Rogan Promotes Harmful Lie about, you know, Wuhan Lab Being the Source of This Virus." Like, no, it is most likely-

   4. ACAnthony Cumia19:15

      Most likely.

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:15

      ... the source of the virus.

   6. ACAnthony Cumia19:16

      Sure.

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:17

      They don't know exactly, but there's no transitionary animal. There's no animal that they, they could show it jumped from this to this-

   8. ACAnthony Cumia19:22

      No.

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:22

      ... to humans.

   10. ACAnthony Cumia19:23

       So quickly and-

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:23

       It's also-

   12. ACAnthony Cumia19:24

       ... so efficiently. Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:25

       Also, I mean, you saw Rand Paul talking to Fauci about it.

   14. ACAnthony Cumia19:27

       Oh, great.

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:28

       The gain-of-function research conversation the other day.

   16. ACAnthony Cumia19:30

       Yes, I love Rand Paul.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:31

       And the fact that he, he got him to sort of skirt around the truth-

   18. ACAnthony Cumia19:36

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:36

       ... the way he was addressing those things.

   20. ACAnthony Cumia19:39

       Yes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:39

       And he's like, "Look, you, you do fund that. You fund it right here in America."

   22. ACAnthony Cumia19:43

       By the way, Dr. Rand Paul.

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:45

       Yes, that's the, that's why else.

   24. ACAnthony Cumia19:46

       Which is a huge issue.

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:47

       Yeah.

   26. ACAnthony Cumia19:48

       They hate that it's Dr. Rand Paul.

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:51

       Yeah.

   28. ACAnthony Cumia19:51

       Uh...

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:51

       And he, and that he actually knows what he's talking about.

   30. ACAnthony Cumia19:53

       He knows what he's talking about.
8. 22:12 – 32:36

   Cameras everywhere, social media toxicity, and why anonymous cruelty spreads

   1. ACAnthony Cumia22:12

      I remember, uh, Brewer would tell a story years ago about the pizza guy that lived near him, and it's a great story. It's way too long to even kind of amend here and, and tell you. But he was a mental patient.

   2. JRJoe Rogan22:25

      Oh.

   3. ACAnthony Cumia22:26

      And Brewer had to deal with him, and you know Brewer, he's, you know, he's not really into, uh, conflict like that. Uh, but it's funny, but I, I, I love those, especially now with the cameras everywhere. Like, that's a... Cameras being everywhere has changed our society, um, and again, I, I don't know, for the good. Like, social media's terrible. I, I've said for years it's one of the worst things that have happened to, to us as a people. Um, maybe we shouldn't be able to share so many ideas with each other. But cameras, have you noticed every crime that happens, they got eight different angles on it now?

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:01

      Yeah, it's weird.

   5. ACAnthony Cumia23:02

      It, it, it's amazing.

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:03

      Yeah.

   7. ACAnthony Cumia23:04

      Uh, I don't think there's anywhere you can go to kill someone anymore (laughs) without, unless, you know, you're in a national park somewhere, but even then, you don't know.

   8. JRJoe Rogan23:11

      You were saying they caught that guy that, uh, did the mass shooting in Times Square?

   9. ACAnthony Cumia23:14

      Yeah, yeah, they got that guy.

   10. JRJoe Rogan23:16

       They got him on camera, right, a bunch of different security cameras.

   11. ACAnthony Cumia23:17

       On camera had... You know, and, and, and you'd think, like, these aren't good people that you look at the picture and go, "Oh, I know who that is, but I'm gonna keep it cool." Like, people are like, "Oh, yeah, I'm turning this guy in." So i- it's very hard to not get caught. And then he flees down to Florida, (laughs) which has no mask rules.

   12. JRJoe Rogan23:36

       S- (laughs)

   13. ACAnthony Cumia23:36

       Wouldn't you wanna be where everyone, you know, can only-

   14. JRJoe Rogan23:38

       Yeah.

   15. ACAnthony Cumia23:38

       ... see half their face?

   16. JRJoe Rogan23:40

       Yeah, you'd wanna go to LA.

   17. ACAnthony Cumia23:41

       And, and they didn't defund the police.

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:43

       Yeah.

   19. ACAnthony Cumia23:43

       Like, (laughs) that's the worst place you could go is, is Florida.

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:46

       They actually refunded the police.

   21. ACAnthony Cumia23:48

       Bu- they, yes.

   22. JRJoe Rogan23:48

       They extra-funded the police.

   23. ACAnthony Cumia23:50

       Extra-funded.

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:51

       Yeah.

   25. ACAnthony Cumia23:51

       He gave bonuses out.

   26. JRJoe Rogan23:53

       Yeah.

   27. ACAnthony Cumia23:53

       Yeah, uh, Santorum ga- gave bonuses out.

   28. JRJoe Rogan23:56

       DeSantis.

   29. ACAnthony Cumia23:56

       Oh, DeSantis, I'm sorry.

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:57

       Yes.
9. 32:36 – 39:54

   Cumia’s arrest story and the plea-bargain machine (plus media distortion)

   1. ACAnthony Cumia32:36

      Dude, I, I had to go to rehab for a crime that I committed (laughs) so they said. It was, uh, you, you know Vinnie Brand from, uh-

   2. JRJoe Rogan32:45

      Yes.

   3. ACAnthony Cumia32:45

      ... The Stress Factory.

   4. JRJoe Rogan32:46

      Stress Factory?

   5. ACAnthony Cumia32:46

      Uh, I was going out with his daughter for a while, uh, Dani Brand. And, uh, she was just... If anyone could push your buttons, it was fucking Dani Brand. She was a mental patient. Uh, uh, uh, but, you know, we were going out, just kind of-

   6. JRJoe Rogan33:01

      Allegedly.

   7. ACAnthony Cumia33:02

      Allegedly. Well, no, no, I, I can say that.

   8. JRJoe Rogan33:05

      (laughs)

   9. ACAnthony Cumia33:05

      Disavow, Joe, disavow.

   10. JRJoe Rogan33:07

       (laughs)

   11. ACAnthony Cumia33:08

       So we got into... We, we'd get into fights all the time. You could, you could talk to gr- every, every single girlfriend I've ever had since I was 13 years old, and every girlfriend I've had since that episode. None of them will say I'm a physical person when I get into an argument with anybody. This fight was like throwing and breaking each other's phones and yelling and, and she's videoing it live so it's streaming. And I'm drunk and-

   12. JRJoe Rogan33:42

       (exhales)

   13. ACAnthony Cumia33:42

       ... it was just bad all over.

   14. JRJoe Rogan33:45

       (laughs)

   15. ACAnthony Cumia33:45

       Bad all over. I'm like, "If I hadn't gotten fired for the Times Square thing, this would've, you know, fired me." (laughs) Anyway, so all this shit happens. I, uh, I, I grab her hand and I, I bit her hand. I was just-

   16. JRJoe Rogan33:58

       Oh, my god.

   17. ACAnthony Cumia33:58

       I was just pissed. I was pissed. I didn't wanna hit her or anything. She's just a wafe-

   18. JRJoe Rogan34:02

       Bitter.

   19. ACAnthony Cumia34:02

       ... a wafe of a girl, you know? And I just bit her hand. I was like, "Argh!" Uh, no blood or anything, I just bit her hand. Uh, then the, the fight calms down. Uh, we decide to actually drive to the Apple Store to buy ourselves new phones.

   20. JRJoe Rogan34:18

       (laughs)

   21. ACAnthony Cumia34:18

       So she gets in the car, we drive. I come back, cops all around my fucking house.

   22. JRJoe Rogan34:24

       'Cause she had streamed it live.

   23. ACAnthony Cumia34:25

       She had streamed it live. Someone had saw it-

   24. JRJoe Rogan34:27

       Oh.

   25. ACAnthony Cumia34:28

       ... and called the cops to come to the house. Well, they bring her in the house. I'm standing outside, and they bring her in with a girl cop. And I'm sure she's like, "Well, what happened? Well, did he do this? Well, did he mean this? Did..." All that. Before I know it they're like, "Uh..." They fucking grab my pistol. They fucking handcuff me. I'm like, I'd never been arrested in my life. Never. For noth- ever. And, uh, that whole thing started this, uh, my experience with the legal system. And it is fucked. As a guy, you're just screwed. And it, it's this whole thing where you don't even get... It's not like TV or the movies. "I would like to present to you..." They want everything to be pled out. So I had to plea and sit there and do one of those things where you stand there and go, "Yes, I s- I placed my arm on her throat." And-

   26. JRJoe Rogan35:25

       When you, they, they say they want everything to plead out, is that because the courts are too overcrowded and-

   27. ACAnthony Cumia35:29

       Yeah, yeah, they just bam, bam, bam. They want shit to just go through.

   28. JRJoe Rogan35:33

       Right.

   29. ACAnthony Cumia35:33

       It's nothing. Whe- when we see a trial on television, it's, it's an anomaly. Trials don't happen. Plea bargains happen constantly. And they're never really, uh, what happened. You're, you're pleading to something just to get off the hook.

   30. JRJoe Rogan35:49

       Right.
10. 39:54 – 49:14

    Mind-reading futures: Neuralink, intent, and whether transparency ends propaganda

    1. JRJoe Rogan39:54

       Uh, we're gonna be able to read each other's minds soon. I think within the next decade or two.

    2. ACAnthony Cumia39:58

       Do you think that's the thing?

    3. JRJoe Rogan39:59

       Yeah, that's just gonna pull us outta this.

    4. ACAnthony Cumia40:00

       Now that's a scary prospect.

    5. JRJoe Rogan40:01

       It is a scary prospect, but it's no more scary than the difference between what it used to be when you left your house and no one knew where you were-

    6. ACAnthony Cumia40:09

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan40:09

       ... to now you have a tag in your backpack and your mom can track you every step of the way-

    8. ACAnthony Cumia40:12

       Yeah, yeah, that's a thing.

    9. JRJoe Rogan40:14

       ... to Find My Phone. You know, you use Find My Phone, if you're on the same account, you can see where your husband is, you can see where-

    10. ACAnthony Cumia40:20

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan40:20

        ... your wife is. You can see where your kids are. You can find your phone. You go, "Doo, doo, doo, doo. Oh, there it is, downtown." You, you know where everybody is, and then on top of that, everybody's geotagging their photographs, everybody's putting their location-

    12. ACAnthony Cumia40:32

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:32

        ... and data in their Instagram pictures. It's like we-

    14. ACAnthony Cumia40:35

        We put way too much out there.

    15. JRJoe Rogan40:36

        ... we're getting closer and closer and closer to being totally interconnected, and I think one of the ways it's gonna get us out of this, b- that's gonna be the savior of propaganda and bullshit. Wouldn't it be nice if we knew exactly what people were thinking?

    16. ACAnthony Cumia40:51

        Oh, I don't know. We kinda-

    17. JRJoe Rogan40:53

        Well, some people.

    18. ACAnthony Cumia40:54

        We kinda have that with social media, things like Twitter, where we know what people are thinking because they, it's what they present to you.

    19. JRJoe Rogan41:02

        It's more of what they're projecting. And you kinda, you, you have to use your own, your ability to decipher bullshit, to go-

    20. ACAnthony Cumia41:10

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan41:10

        ... "Oh, this is virtue signaling. This is a guy who's trying to take some heat off of him, so he's going after that guy."

    22. ACAnthony Cumia41:17

        Right.

    23. JRJoe Rogan41:17

        You know, you, you can kinda-

    24. ACAnthony Cumia41:17

        And then you would know that.

    25. JRJoe Rogan41:19

        Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    26. ACAnthony Cumia41:19

        Instead of just seeing, like, somebody, uh, bullying online, you would know, "Oh, this is a poor, lonely-"

    27. JRJoe Rogan41:25

        Yeah.

    28. ACAnthony Cumia41:26

        ... "douchebag-"

    29. JRJoe Rogan41:27

        Sad. Depressed.

    30. ACAnthony Cumia41:28

        ... sad, depressed guy. Uh-
11. 49:14 – 1:51:28

    Testosterone replacement, libido ‘time travel,’ and a long detour into sex/coming-of-age stories

    1. ACAnthony Cumia49:14

       Dude, I- I gotta tell you, the, uh, the testosterone shots.

    2. JRJoe Rogan49:18

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    3. ACAnthony Cumia49:18

       Now, you, of course have been a proponent of this for many years. You've turned a lot of people onto it. You're- you're 100% with this.

    4. JRJoe Rogan49:26

       Yeah.

    5. ACAnthony Cumia49:26

       I know of other people that have said, "Oh, yeah, Joe Rogan said I gotta get on this." Whenever a guy that's, uh, you know, reaching their 40s, 50s, in there, uh, says that they're having problems, uh, with libido, and muscle mass-

    6. JRJoe Rogan49:40

       Energy.

    7. ACAnthony Cumia49:41

       ... and stuff, energy, interest-

    8. JRJoe Rogan49:43

       Aches and pains, yeah.

    9. ACAnthony Cumia49:43

       ... in things, aches and pains. Yeah, you've always said that. As a matter of fact, um... And then Nick DiPaolo, I do a, I- I do a- a show with Nick on Mondays on- on my channel, and he was saying the same thing. He's going, "Ah, fuck it, no muscle mass, cocksucker. Can't fucking do anything. Look, fucking bitch arms, I'm fucking..." He's hilarious. A- and he said, "Low T."

    10. JRJoe Rogan50:05

        Mm-hmm.

    11. ACAnthony Cumia50:06

        So I went to the doctor. I was diagnosed with low T. It was pretty fucking low.

    12. JRJoe Rogan50:09

        It's called being an old man.

    13. ACAnthony Cumia50:11

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan50:12

        How old are you now?

    15. ACAnthony Cumia50:12

        It's called getting... I just had my 60th on April 26th.

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:17

        Six-zero. Wow.

    17. ACAnthony Cumia50:19

        Dude, when I was a kid that was you're done.

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:20

        Dead, you're a dead man.

    19. ACAnthony Cumia50:21

        You're dead.

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:22

        Meanwhile, you have a thick neck now. Look at you.

    21. ACAnthony Cumia50:24

        That was-

    22. JRJoe Rogan50:24

        When I saw you today, I'm like, "Look at his neck."

    23. ACAnthony Cumia50:26

        I know it's getting there.

    24. JRJoe Rogan50:27

        You're lifting weights?

    25. ACAnthony Cumia50:28

        It's like- I am now.

    26. JRJoe Rogan50:29

        Look at that.

    27. ACAnthony Cumia50:30

        Yeah. Missy makes me fucking do that shit. She's an animal. She's a fucking animal.

    28. JRJoe Rogan50:35

        Look at you.

    29. ACAnthony Cumia50:36

        And- and- but here's the, here's the weird thing.

    30. JRJoe Rogan50:38

        Okay.

Episode duration: 3:03:38