Joe Rogan Experience #1652 - Anthony Cumia

Narrator 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Young Anthony Cumia.

Anthony Cumia 0:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:16 My friend, good to see you.

Anthony Cumia 0:18 Everyone calls me that, Young Anthony Cumia.

Joe Rogan 0:20 That... Well, he's Young Jamie so you must be Young Anthony.

Anthony Cumia 0:22 No.

Joe Rogan 0:22 Dude, uh, there is not a fucking show on Earth that inspired me to do a podcast more than Opie & Anthony. That is a fact.

Anthony Cumia 0:30 I, I love hearing that.

Joe Rogan 0:32 It is a fact.

Anthony Cumia 0:32 And, you know, uh, uh, to be, uh, part of the, the cycle that you went through in your head to build this empire that you now have, uh, I'm honored.

Joe Rogan 0:42 It's 100% true. And it's not just that, it's also you when you were doing Live from the Compound.

Anthony Cumia 0:47 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:47 When you were doing it from your house in the basement with a machine gun singing karaoke.

Anthony Cumia 0:51 (laughs) With a hobby. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:52 With a green screen behind you. And it was like, "He's having so much fun." Jamie, do we have a bottle opener? This, this is... I thought this was a regular one. Is it? I don't think so. I can open a bottle with anything, by the way. I can open one, I can open one with a lighter. I can do that.

Anthony Cumia 1:04 Yeah, a lighter?

Joe Rogan 1:05 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 1:05 My dad taught me with a, a belt buckle when I was out in California, um, learning to be a man-

Joe Rogan 1:11 This...

Anthony Cumia 1:11 ... under my father's tutelage.

Joe Rogan 1:12 This is from Phil's buddy. What was Phil's buddy's name? The guy that, uh... Phil Demers? His buddy who's, like, a big time beer freak. This is... You gotta try some of this. It's very interesting. It's beer, but it does not taste like regular beer. But it's very good.

Anthony Cumia 1:28 And I'm a... I slum it all the time with just, uh, Bud's. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:32 Yeah, I mean-

Anthony Cumia 1:33 People are like, "Oh, Budweiser." It's like, there's nothing better. You could pound a case of Bud sitting, like, by a, out by the pool. It's got... But then occasionally-

Joe Rogan 1:42 Cheers.

Anthony Cumia 1:42 ... try something else. Cheers, Joe.

Joe Rogan 1:44 Cheers. Good to see you, my friend.

Anthony Cumia 1:45 Good to see you. Good to be in Austin.

Joe Rogan 1:46 Good to be here. Mm.

Anthony Cumia 1:48 Mm. Weird, right? Definitely a lemony thing going on.

Joe Rogan 1:51 Yeah, it's got a lemon on the cover.

Anthony Cumia 1:52 A lot of lemon. Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:54 It's called Foos.

Anthony Cumia 1:55 This really pinches the back of your tongue.

Joe Rogan 1:57 Yeah, it says wheat beer with peaches. Oh, it's a peach. It's not a lemon.

Anthony Cumia 2:01 Oh, there's a peach in there too?

Joe Rogan 2:02 It looks like a lemon.

Anthony Cumia 2:03 It tastes like a lemon.

Joe Rogan 2:04 I guess it looks like a heart with a leaf.

Anthony Cumia 2:07 That ain't bad.

Joe Rogan 2:07 Anyway. Good stuff.

Anthony Cumia 2:09 Yeah. I can't imagine... I always have to think, whatever I'm putting in me alcohol wise, what'll that taste like coming out. Uh, and this would probably hurt, a lot of heartburn. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:18 You think?

Anthony Cumia 2:18 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:19 If you were throwing it up?

Anthony Cumia 2:20 If you're throwing it up. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:21 I don't think so. I think it'd be pretty smooth. It's not that bad.

Anthony Cumia 2:24 Shouldn't you not throw up from drinking after, like, 40?

Joe Rogan 2:28 You shouldn't, but you're probably going to occasionally.

Anthony Cumia 2:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:31 It's... It comes with the territory. It depends on how-

Anthony Cumia 2:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:33 ... how deep you go.

Anthony Cumia 2:35 Yeah, yeah. You're not going as deep as you were in your 20s.

Joe Rogan 2:37 Sometimes you wanna throw up, right? Sometimes you get back-

Anthony Cumia 2:39 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:40 ... to your house and you're just like, "Let me just get this out of me."

Anthony Cumia 2:42 You do the finger thing?

Joe Rogan 2:43 Ugh.

Anthony Cumia 2:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:45 Just so you feel better, just so you can sleep.

Anthony Cumia 2:47 I- and it's, it's funny. If you got a girl in the house, you have to, uh... You think you're being quiet, but there's no being quiet when you're... Especially that dry heave sound, that wuh.

Joe Rogan 2:59 Into an echo chamber.

Anthony Cumia 3:00 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:00 A porcelain echo.

Anthony Cumia 3:02 It's so... It's like the old Victrola speaker-

Joe Rogan 3:05 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 3:05 ... is just pumping out your groans. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:07 So, we were talking before this, uh, podcast started that you, when you left Opie & Anthony, you went and decided to do your own thing behind a pay wall.

Anthony Cumia 3:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:17 So, you're, you're like in this position, you're sort of un-cancelable. There's... You don't have all the trappings that everybody else has in terms of, like, sponsors and-

Anthony Cumia 3:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:28 ... people coming after you. You just have subscribers.

Anthony Cumia 3:31 Yeah, this was, uh, a conscious decision because, uh, I saw it coming a while ago, the, uh, what they call cancel culture thing.

Joe Rogan 3:39 Well, you guys get hit with it first-

Anthony Cumia 3:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:42 ... out of all the people that I've ever heard of because when you guys had that homeless person on who said he wanted to... What did he say? He wanted to rape Condoleezza Rice?

Anthony Cumia 3:49 Condoleezza Rice and the Queen of England-

Joe Rogan 3:51 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 3:51 ... and the First Lady. I, I gotta, I gotta say something about that, though. We had just gotten to satellite radio from FM radio.

Joe Rogan 3:59 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 3:59 And to us, this was like, "All right, it opens up a whole new world of what we can do." So, I thought, "What, what better place to just showcase a homeless person?" Let's see what rantings and ramblings come out of a homeless person's mind.

Joe Rogan 4:14 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 4:14 So, bring him up in the studio, put him in front of a mic, and let him go off. It's satellite.

Joe Rogan 4:19 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 4:19 It's not... No FCC rules and regs. And the guy starts talking about crazy stuff and, and raping political figures and, uh, the Queen of England. And we think it's hilarious because you're getting that insight. You're getting into the mind of a, a crazy homeless guy on the street. And, uh, the shit hits the fan. "Oh, my God, Condoleezza Rice that brings the sex thing and, and the race thing and all that." And they lost their mind. And we were like, "Oh, shit. We're getting fired again?" Like, "We're gonna get fired for this."

Joe Rogan 4:53 But, but what ha- Y- you didn't get fired, but you guys-

Anthony Cumia 4:55 No.

Joe Rogan 4:55 ... got suspended for-

Anthony Cumia 4:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:57 ... for how long?

Anthony Cumia 4:58 We got suspended for, uh, I think it was a month. I think that was a month suspension, from satellite radio, but we were still at K-Rock in New York-

Joe Rogan 5:06 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 5:07 ... doing that show in the morning, because we used to do both.

Joe Rogan 5:10 Yeah, we used to go across with the microphones.

Anthony Cumia 5:12 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:12 I did that with you guys.

Anthony Cumia 5:13 We did the walkover.

Joe Rogan 5:14 We would do terrestrial and then we would, we would broadcast live as we were walking down New York City with mics-

Anthony Cumia 5:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:20 ... and comics, and we would go to the other studio.

Anthony Cumia 5:23 Yeah, we would do things. Occasionally, like, Rich Vos would go into a diner or something-

Joe Rogan 5:27 Mm-hmm.

Anthony Cumia 5:27 ... and just start doing standup-

Joe Rogan 5:29 Yes. (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 5:29 ... in front of the customers.

Joe Rogan 5:30 Cringe st-

Anthony Cumia 5:30 It was hilarious.

Joe Rogan 5:31 Cringe standup. (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 5:32 Cringe standup. These people don't know what's happening and stupid big Club Soda Kenny-

Joe Rogan 5:37 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 5:37 ... would announce some, "Ladies and gentlemen," they're looking like they're, you know-

Joe Rogan 5:41 Exactly.

Anthony Cumia 5:41 ... it's gonna... Like a mass shooting is gonna start. And, uh, it was hilarious.

Joe Rogan 5:45 You guys were the birth of podcasts.

Anthony Cumia 5:49 It was a podcast on the radio.

Joe Rogan 5:51 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 5:51 We didn't know it at the time. We didn't know what a-

Joe Rogan 5:53 Nobody knew what a podcast was.

Anthony Cumia 5:53 ... podcast was, but it was a bunch of guys that you find funny, you like hanging out with-

Joe Rogan 5:58 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 5:59 ... talking about anything. And that seems to be what the formula is. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:03 But you guys figured it out first, because every other radio show that I did, like if I did Stern or an- anything else you did, it was very formatted. It was like-

Anthony Cumia 6:11 Regimented, yeah, timed.

Joe Rogan 6:12 ... like, he had some things he wanna talk, he wanted to talk to me about Fear Factor. He wanted to talk to me about the UFC.

Anthony Cumia 6:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:18 He had questions about this, and, you know, it's always like, and then you have a call-in, and then you have celebrity guests, and he, he had it all, like, very smooth. You guys would just bring a bunch of people in-

Anthony Cumia 6:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:31 ... and then Patrice would start talking and Burr would start talking-

Anthony Cumia 6:34 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 6:34 ... and Ari would start talking, and it was just chaos.

Anthony Cumia 6:36 Dude-

Joe Rogan 6:37 And we were all- we were ha- just having fun.

Anthony Cumia 6:38 Just having fun.

Joe Rogan 6:40 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 6:40 When, when you have a room of those guys, Nick DiPaolo and Patrice, God rest his soul-

Joe Rogan 6:48 Norton.

Anthony Cumia 6:48 ... and Bill Burr, Norton, uh, all these guys, Colin Quinn, they're all in a room, you can't lose.

Joe Rogan 6:56 Right. Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 6:57 Like, like, as... People will hear it and say, "Holy shit, that was one of the funniest shows." And it's like, "What show?" The Opie and Anthony Show.

Joe Rogan 7:04 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 7:04 So people remember the name of the show-

Joe Rogan 7:07 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 7:08 ... but all these other guys are delivering this amazing funny comedy. Uh, so it worked that way, and we, we embraced that, and just started bringing these comics, uh, back on in different combinations, 'cause you know better than anyone, some of the funniest stuff you'll ever hear are guys shitting on each other.

Joe Rogan 7:26 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 7:27 And, and, and when someone was in, we called it being in the barrel, you know? And that could consist of wearing a shirt. (laughs) You come in wearing a shirt and Patrice goes, "What the fu- What kind of shirt is that you're wearing? What the, what the fuck you get..." And now everyone's on your shirt.

Joe Rogan 7:43 Yes.

Anthony Cumia 7:43 And now you're sitting there going, you're looking at all the comics going, "What can I use to get this off me?"

Joe Rogan 7:49 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 7:49 So you'd have to shit on Vos' teeth or, you know-

Joe Rogan 7:52 Right, always.

Anthony Cumia 7:53 So, so it was this constant battle to get the shit off of you.

Joe Rogan 7:59 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 7:59 And it was funny every fucking time.

Joe Rogan 8:02 And you guys were so great at letting the comics just go wild-

Anthony Cumia 8:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:06 ... and not put any restrictions on anybody and not try to control the conversation. Just let it have fun. Just let it breathe.

Anthony Cumia 8:11 Yep. A lot of shows-

Joe Rogan 8:13 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 8:13 ... a lot of hosts, and this is something you do that is fantastic and rare in the business. Let your guests talk. Let them... And if you have a guest, a, a room full of guests, let them have fun. If, if you hear funny shit going on, a lot of people, their ego gets in the way.

Joe Rogan 8:30 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 8:30 And they feel, "Hey, it's my show, my name's on the marquee, I have to jump in and say something." If something funny is happening, back off, leave it-

Joe Rogan 8:38 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 8:38 ... the fuck alone. It's, it's gonna be great. People are gonna love it, and they're gonna go, "Oh, that was on The Opie and Anthony Show."

Joe Rogan 8:45 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 8:45 So it doesn't really matter who's saying it.

Joe Rogan 8:47 You, yeah, you guys had figured it out. It really is-

Anthony Cumia 8:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:50 ... the birth of podcasts and I, I learned a lot from doing that show. And I also learned that I wanted to do it, because I-

Anthony Cumia 8:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:57 ... y- when I would do your show, I was like, "God, I wanna do a show like this. I wanna do something like this." Because it was, it was... You know, when I did regular radio, if I did t- on tour, I would say, "Ah, that may be fun to do a regular radio show." But then I would be like, "They will never hire me." (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 9:11 "I will say something stupid."

Joe Rogan 9:12 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 9:13 "I'll get fired."

Joe Rogan 9:14 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 9:14 "This is not gonna work out for me." But I'd do your show and I'd be like, "Uh-huh." I'd be like, "This is, this my... I can, I think I can do this."

Joe Rogan 9:20 Now this I think I could do.

Anthony Cumia 9:20 "I think I could do, I think I could do this." I was paranoid because I never went to school for radio. I was in construction for... until my early to mid-30s, dude.

Joe Rogan 9:30 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 9:30 I got into radio late, and my impression was always, "If I didn't know the alloy of the metal in the transmitter antenna, there's no way you're getting into radio." Like, I thought you had to know all the shit that they taught you in radio school. And the fact of the matter was, these jocks were constantly looking for somebody that was entertaining.

Joe Rogan 9:51 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 9:51 Like, you never reali- I never realized how, how, uh, desperate a lot of these jocks are for somebody that could make people laugh. Uh, and that-

Joe Rogan 10:00 Or someone with very interest too.

Anthony Cumia 10:02 That's how I got in. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:02 Someone who was interesting-

Anthony Cumia 10:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:03 ... who could talk about different things.

Anthony Cumia 10:05 Yeah, yeah, talk about a lot of different things.

Joe Rogan 10:07 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 10:07 You know, sometimes you gotta talk out your ass, like, you almost kinda know what it's about. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:12 Yeah, for sure. But this, this... The other thing about, like, what you guys did was you created a safe place for men.

Anthony Cumia 10:20 Mm.

Joe Rogan 10:21 Like, where you could just be a fucking idiot.

Anthony Cumia 10:24 One of the last bastions of-

Joe Rogan 10:25 But that's the thing, it's like-

Anthony Cumia 10:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:26 ... there's a lot of men out there, but there's not a lot of entertainment that's geared towards men.

Anthony Cumia 10:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:32 And one of the things that comes up on my podcast, when the advertising people get to talk and they're like, "Jesus Christ, he's got like 94% men. Like, what is going on here? This is crazy."

Anthony Cumia 10:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:41 I'm like, "Z- they're not represented. They're not-"

Anthony Cumia 10:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:44 Men are not represented. It's like, I don't know what the number is of regular television, but it's not geared towards men.

Anthony Cumia 10:50 No, not at all.

Joe Rogan 10:51 It's, there's some, there's, like, The Talk and The View and there's a lot of these shows that are geared towards women.

Anthony Cumia 10:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:57 But in terms of, like, a man show, you can't have a m- like, a male-oriented show on network television. It would be toxic.

Anthony Cumia 11:05 It's a personal affront to-

Joe Rogan 11:07 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 11:07 ... feminism and women.

Joe Rogan 11:09 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 11:09 And regardless, it's just men being men. I don't know where this-

Joe Rogan 11:12 Which is weird, right?

Anthony Cumia 11:13 I don't know where this idea came from that, uh, in the past even couple of decades, which, you know, relative to, uh, a tortoise or a mayfly, you know, it, it, it varies how long a period of time that is. But in that period of time, we as humans were supposed to have physically and mentally evolved to this point where men don't still wanna talk about tits and cars and lifestyle stuff-

Joe Rogan 11:41 Guns.

Anthony Cumia 11:41 ... and bash each other... Guns, of course. Like, we, uh, I, I think there are people that actually think we, we have evolved out of that-

Joe Rogan 11:50 You know why?

Anthony Cumia 11:50 ... instead of being brainwashed.

Joe Rogan 11:52 Because there's a lot of men, a lot of men that are henpecked-

Anthony Cumia 11:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:54 ... and they work in some terrible job where human resources is breathing down their neck-

Anthony Cumia 11:58 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 11:59 ... and they have neutered themselves, and they put themselves in this position of, like, this sort of, like, non-man, and then-

Anthony Cumia 12:06 Yes, non-man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:07 Yeah, and then because of that, they, they cut, chastise other free men. Like, "Look at this. This is toxic masculinity in its finest form." And they say all these crazy things, like-You can't be... You're not free. It doesn't... And it's also equated somehow or another with cruelty. With being a bad person.

Anthony Cumia 12:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:24 With being a shitty person, just by joking around or doing the things that we like to talk... Talking about the things that we like to talk about.

Anthony Cumia 12:32 Yeah. Yep. Uh, I hear punching down a lot-

Joe Rogan 12:35 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 12:35 ... is a bad thing.

Joe Rogan 12:36 That was your whole show.

Anthony Cumia 12:38 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:38 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 12:38 That was the entire show. The entire 20-year history of The Opie and Anthony Show, there was never a punch that got past the 180 degree mark. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:49 Yeah. You, you guys don't get enough credit.

Anthony Cumia 12:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:50 I really, I really say it. I say it every time I can, that you were the inspiration for podcasts. Without a doubt.

Anthony Cumia 12:56 It really is. For what... I, I think for what Howard did for the, the shock jock genre in radio, we kinda were right at that precipice of, of radio and podcast-

Joe Rogan 13:08 Yes.

Anthony Cumia 13:08 ... uh, when, when that happened. And I think what we were doing was better suited to a podcast than it was a radio show.

Joe Rogan 13:14 Yeah. I think so too.

Anthony Cumia 13:15 Uh-

Joe Rogan 13:15 But it was a great radio show too though.

Anthony Cumia 13:17 Yeah. But it was a great radio show.

Joe Rogan 13:18 It's just that-

Anthony Cumia 13:18 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 13:19 ... the problem is the suits.

Anthony Cumia 13:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:20 The problem was not the content.

Anthony Cumia 13:21 Always.

Joe Rogan 13:22 The problem was the suits. The problem was the people going, "Hey, hey, hey. You can't... This is not..."

Anthony Cumia 13:26 Oh.

Joe Rogan 13:26 Like, meanwhile, did you just see what happened? Everyone was crying laughing. That's entertainment.

Anthony Cumia 13:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:31 And, and like-

Anthony Cumia 13:31 That's what they want.

Joe Rogan 13:32 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 13:32 That's... It, it, it got to a point where early on, even when I got in, which was, again, late in the game, but early on in the '80s and '90s, all they gave a shit about were ratings. If you had ratings and you did something stupid, you'd get this, uh, slap on the wrist in public, and behind the door with the GM and the PD and all the other management people, they'd be like, "Oh my God, that was great. Great job. Oh, look, take off a week paid. We'll say you're suspended and that's it." They really did this. And we, we went through a few of those. And, and it turned into, they really did get mad.

Joe Rogan 14:11 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 14:11 And they really started suspending you without pay and firing you. And these were these suits, like you say, that just didn't understand the talent end of the business anymore. And, and when radio stations were owned by, uh, mom and pop operations... We, we were at WAAF up in, uh, Massachusetts, and it was owned by Zappas Communications. I met Zappas. I met the guy. Uh, when we went to Infinity Broadcasting, there was no Mr. Infinity.

Joe Rogan 14:39 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 14:39 There was Mel Karmazin and there was all the suits from CBS-

Joe Rogan 14:43 They got big. They got real big.

Anthony Cumia 14:44 And CBS has affiliates and they also deal in laundry detergent with this subsidiary.

Joe Rogan 14:50 Oh.

Anthony Cumia 14:50 And like you say something, and baby diapers don't sell. Like that's how... When it got really fucked up and personalities weren't able to do what they do anymore, because now you're fucking up their sales in the burger industry. And you know, Zappas owned a fucking radio station.

Joe Rogan 15:08 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 15:09 And he loved when his radio station got ratings. That was all it was to it. Now, it's all a conglomerate of bullshit.

Joe Rogan 15:18 As things get big, they get... When they get bigger, things generally get more complicated and you lose any freedom. You lose any of the magic.

Anthony Cumia 15:27 Yep.

Joe Rogan 15:27 One of the best things that happened with this podcast, like in, in this weird journey from doing it in my, uh, my spare bedroom to doing it in a weird studio-

Anthony Cumia 15:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:41 ... to, to... All the way to Spotify, is this is the fucking show.

Anthony Cumia 15:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:46 This... It's a skeleton crew. And there's some people behi- They're like, uh, "I have a manager," and then there's some people that like argue with her.

Anthony Cumia 15:54 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:54 And I don't l- pay attention. I go, "Are we all right?" They go, "Uh..."

Anthony Cumia 15:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:58 "I'm not, I'm not listening."

Anthony Cumia 15:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:59 So I'm never involved in meetings. I don't, I don't have any conversations with advertisers. I have no conversations with suits. Spotify has never-

Anthony Cumia 16:06 Wow.

Joe Rogan 16:06 ... said a goddamn thing to me.

Anthony Cumia 16:08 So good.

Joe Rogan 16:08 They're amazing.

Anthony Cumia 16:10 Isn't that great?

Joe Rogan 16:10 They're fucking great. They don't say shit. And I tested it too, like when I brought Alex Jones on.

Anthony Cumia 16:15 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:16 I was like, "Let's see. Let's see. You guys talk a lot of shit. Let's see."

Anthony Cumia 16:19 Fluoride. Fluoride turns the frogs gay.

Joe Rogan 16:22 Yeah. Well it was-

Anthony Cumia 16:22 And you're like, "Oh, okay."

Joe Rogan 16:23 It wasn't f- Was it fluoride? No, it was-

Anthony Cumia 16:25 I think fluoride.

Joe Rogan 16:25 It's some other stuff.

Anthony Cumia 16:26 It might be something else.

Joe Rogan 16:27 It's... Well, it's the phthalates, right?

Anthony Cumia 16:29 Well, whatever it is, it's obviously the globalists.

Joe Rogan 16:31 Yeah. Well, dude, he-

Anthony Cumia 16:32 I love that guy.

Joe Rogan 16:33 That fucking guy is right way more than he's wrong.

Anthony Cumia 16:36 Oh my God, yes.

Joe Rogan 16:37 Way more. Especially now, when, when people-

Anthony Cumia 16:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:39 ... are talking about actual microchips being injected into your arm to see if you have COVID-19. He's like, "I fucking told you, Joe Rogan." Right.

Anthony Cumia 16:44 It sounded preposterous-

Joe Rogan 16:46 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 16:46 ... years ago when he was saying a lot of this stuff.

Joe Rogan 16:48 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 16:48 And as it all starts coming to fruition, you're like, "Wait, Alex Jones had it?"

Joe Rogan 16:53 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 16:54 "He was the guy that was saying all this?" But then other people have said he's thrown so much shit against the wall, something's gotta stick. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:00 That's true too. That's true too. But I think it's like... Honestly, he's right 80% of the time.

Anthony Cumia 17:05 Oh, yeah. Don't get me wrong.

Joe Rogan 17:06 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 17:06 I adore the guy. I, I, I sit in, uh, for his show. I was doing every Thursday, I would do the last hour of his show. I'd do a crossover with him, and then I had the InfoWars logo behind me.

Joe Rogan 17:18 (singing)

Anthony Cumia 17:18 And I would do his show, and it was great.

Joe Rogan 17:20 (singing)

Anthony Cumia 17:20 It was fantastic.

Joe Rogan 17:21 Yeah, I did it.

Anthony Cumia 17:21 I love the guy. He's another-

Joe Rogan 17:23 Recently.

Anthony Cumia 17:23 ... guy that just has been canceled-

Joe Rogan 17:25 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 17:26 ... and has to just keep chugging along.

Joe Rogan 17:28 Tell you what though, they have removed him from all social media and all that stuff-

Anthony Cumia 17:31 Ah.

Joe Rogan 17:31 ... but he's still... He's doing great. Like his-

Anthony Cumia 17:33 Oh my gosh.

Joe Rogan 17:33 ... subscribers are very high and his studio is, uh, like two miles from here.

Anthony Cumia 17:38 Dude. And-

Joe Rogan 17:39 I did- I've done his show. We got hammered and high-

Anthony Cumia 17:40 Oh, I know. I've seen-

Joe Rogan 17:41 ... and it was ridiculous. Talked about interdimensional beings and- (laughs) Interdimensional beings.

Anthony Cumia 17:45 I love the guy. If, if you g-

Joe Rogan 17:46 When I see a video... If, if I see... Someone sends me a video and I see Alex Jones peeking out of the top of that armored vehicle with a bullhorn. (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 17:55 I'm like, "I am fucking watching this." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:58 That video... That... I've been to that, that armored thing.

Anthony Cumia 18:01 That arm- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:01 He's got that thing out there. He goes, "Yeah, we got this just in case there's protests. Sometimes we go place and Antifa wants to come after us, we just hide in this thing." (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 18:07 It's hilarious. Like I, I think what, uh, mainstream media and, you know, the, the people, the powers that be, they have so many names in their-

Joe Rogan 18:18 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 18:19 ... dark little corners. Uh...... they discredit people. That's a job-

Joe Rogan 18:25 Yes.

Anthony Cumia 18:25 ... is to discredit people, to put things out there, a preemptive strike of, uh, an idea, or an opinion, or a theory, so that when someone says it, people already go, "Oh, no, I heard, that's bullshit already."

Joe Rogan 18:41 Right.

Anthony Cumia 18:41 Like, like, and, and that's a job.

Joe Rogan 18:43 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 18:43 That's a government agency and a job that purposefully discredits people that are getting a little too close to what's real.

Joe Rogan 18:52 Well, also, how about ideas? Like, here's a big one, the idea that this virus came from a lab in Wuhan.

Anthony Cumia 19:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:00 That was so discredited, like, there was a, an article in one of them liberal rags. It was like, "Joe, Joe Rogan Promotes Harmful Lie about, you know, Wuhan Lab Being the Source of This Virus." Like, no, it is most likely-

Anthony Cumia 19:15 Most likely.

Joe Rogan 19:15 ... the source of the virus.

Anthony Cumia 19:16 Sure.

Joe Rogan 19:17 They don't know exactly, but there's no transitionary animal. There's no animal that they, they could show it jumped from this to this-

Anthony Cumia 19:22 No.

Joe Rogan 19:22 ... to humans.

Anthony Cumia 19:23 So quickly and-

Joe Rogan 19:23 It's also-

Anthony Cumia 19:24 ... so efficiently. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:25 Also, I mean, you saw Rand Paul talking to Fauci about it.

Anthony Cumia 19:27 Oh, great.

Joe Rogan 19:28 The gain-of-function research conversation the other day.

Anthony Cumia 19:30 Yes, I love Rand Paul.

Joe Rogan 19:31 And the fact that he, he got him to sort of skirt around the truth-

Anthony Cumia 19:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:36 ... the way he was addressing those things.

Anthony Cumia 19:39 Yes.

Joe Rogan 19:39 And he's like, "Look, you, you do fund that. You fund it right here in America."

Anthony Cumia 19:43 By the way, Dr. Rand Paul.

Joe Rogan 19:45 Yes, that's the, that's why else.

Anthony Cumia 19:46 Which is a huge issue.

Joe Rogan 19:47 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 19:48 They hate that it's Dr. Rand Paul.

Joe Rogan 19:51 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 19:51 Uh...

Joe Rogan 19:51 And he, and that he actually knows what he's talking about.

Anthony Cumia 19:53 He knows what he's talking about.

Joe Rogan 19:54 Yeah, so he can argue the points of he understands what gain-of-function research actually is.

Anthony Cumia 19:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:58 And he knows who the people or the players involved are. He knows the, the, the different organizations that are involved.

Anthony Cumia 20:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:04 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 20:04 There are a few of these politicians that really do... Either they are so good at bullshitting the public, or there's a few that really do seem to be behind the people and what they need and what they want and know how to talk about it. I know one of the, one of the rising stars, and he's been in the business for years, is Ted Cruz here in Texas. Ted has come out after the Trump thing from going from this guy that people went, "Ah, Ted Cruz." Now he's, like, tough guy. He gets up there. He starts, uh, interrogating these people.

Joe Rogan 20:38 When he was talking to them about censorship-

Anthony Cumia 20:40 Yes.

Joe Rogan 20:41 And, and yes, it was very good.

Anthony Cumia 20:42 It was.

Joe Rogan 20:43 He was very good at that.

Anthony Cumia 20:43 Now-

Joe Rogan 20:44 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 20:44 ... do you think he's sincere, or did he find a new act? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:48 It's a hard sell.

Anthony Cumia 20:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:50 Because he got busted going to Cancun, and he said, "I wasn't really going to Cancun. I was just gonna come right back." But it turned out his ticket-

Anthony Cumia 20:56 I'll do it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:57 His ticket was, like, for five days later. And he's like-

Anthony Cumia 21:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:00 ... "Well, I'm back." But meanwhile, you know-

Anthony Cumia 21:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:03 ... he's... You can be good sometimes. You can be-

Anthony Cumia 21:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:08 ... right about a lot of things, and I think that's what he is. He's right about a lot of things. Rand Paul, I agree with m- m- m- way more than, I think, any other politician that's been-

Anthony Cumia 21:18 Yeah, same.

Joe Rogan 21:18 ... talking about this issue in s- in s- in specific, COVID, yeah.

Anthony Cumia 21:21 And he seems very sincere in what he's saying.

Joe Rogan 21:24 When he talked to Fauci, he's like, "Why do you have two masks on? You've been vaccinated."

Anthony Cumia 21:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:27 "Isn't this theater? Isn't this theater?" And then you see Fauci going, "I don't... This motherfucker's-"

Anthony Cumia 21:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:32 "... getting me right now."

Anthony Cumia 21:33 That's supposed to-

Joe Rogan 21:33 He got me.

Anthony Cumia 21:34 ... gotta be this. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:34 Yeah, because that is what it is, you know?

Anthony Cumia 21:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:37 And Rand is also a guy who had COVID, you know?

Anthony Cumia 21:40 Yep.

Joe Rogan 21:41 The only thing, I wanna know why his neighbor attacked him, before I fully get behind him. (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 21:45 Isn't that weird?

Joe Rogan 21:46 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 21:46 There was no real answer to why his neighbor almost killed him.

Joe Rogan 21:50 I know, broke his lung.

Anthony Cumia 21:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:52 Uh, tackled him, snapped his rib. I mean, what the fuck was going on there?

Anthony Cumia 21:55 Yeah, that's, uh...

Joe Rogan 21:56 What did you say to your neighbor?

Anthony Cumia 21:57 Yeah, there were two sides to everything. Uh, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 22:00 Yeah, I would like to know both sides. Isn't it... You know, uh, obviously, his neighbor's wacky 'cause he attacked him from behind and tackled him and, you know, Jesus Christ.

Anthony Cumia 22:08 Yeah, any of those, any of those neighbor wars are, uh-

Joe Rogan 22:10 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 22:11 ... always hilarious.

Joe Rogan 22:12 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 22:12 I remember, uh, Brewer would tell a story years ago about the pizza guy that lived near him, and it's a great story. It's way too long to even kind of amend here and, and tell you. But he was a mental patient.

Joe Rogan 22:25 Oh.

Anthony Cumia 22:26 And Brewer had to deal with him, and you know Brewer, he's, you know, he's not really into, uh, conflict like that. Uh, but it's funny, but I, I, I love those, especially now with the cameras everywhere. Like, that's a... Cameras being everywhere has changed our society, um, and again, I, I don't know, for the good. Like, social media's terrible. I, I've said for years it's one of the worst things that have happened to, to us as a people. Um, maybe we shouldn't be able to share so many ideas with each other. But cameras, have you noticed every crime that happens, they got eight different angles on it now?

Joe Rogan 23:01 Yeah, it's weird.

Anthony Cumia 23:02 It, it, it's amazing.

Joe Rogan 23:03 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 23:04 Uh, I don't think there's anywhere you can go to kill someone anymore (laughs) without, unless, you know, you're in a national park somewhere, but even then, you don't know.

Joe Rogan 23:11 You were saying they caught that guy that, uh, did the mass shooting in Times Square?

Anthony Cumia 23:14 Yeah, yeah, they got that guy.

Joe Rogan 23:16 They got him on camera, right, a bunch of different security cameras.

Anthony Cumia 23:17 On camera had... You know, and, and, and you'd think, like, these aren't good people that you look at the picture and go, "Oh, I know who that is, but I'm gonna keep it cool." Like, people are like, "Oh, yeah, I'm turning this guy in." So i- it's very hard to not get caught. And then he flees down to Florida, (laughs) which has no mask rules.

Joe Rogan 23:36 S- (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 23:36 Wouldn't you wanna be where everyone, you know, can only-

Joe Rogan 23:38 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 23:38 ... see half their face?

Joe Rogan 23:40 Yeah, you'd wanna go to LA.

Anthony Cumia 23:41 And, and they didn't defund the police.

Joe Rogan 23:43 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 23:43 Like, (laughs) that's the worst place you could go is, is Florida.

Joe Rogan 23:46 They actually refunded the police.

Anthony Cumia 23:48 Bu- they, yes.

Joe Rogan 23:48 They extra-funded the police.

Anthony Cumia 23:50 Extra-funded.

Joe Rogan 23:51 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 23:51 He gave bonuses out.

Joe Rogan 23:53 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 23:53 Yeah, uh, Santorum ga- gave bonuses out.

Joe Rogan 23:56 DeSantis.

Anthony Cumia 23:56 Oh, DeSantis, I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 23:57 Yes.

Anthony Cumia 23:57 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:58 DeSantis, uh-

Anthony Cumia 23:58 Santorum.

Joe Rogan 23:59 ... he could be the president.

Anthony Cumia 24:00 He really could.

Joe Rogan 24:02 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 24:02 People are getting on board here. He's got a sane Trump vibe. Like, he's signing things in front of the press. He'll hold it up like Trump did.

Joe Rogan 24:10 I don't think he has a Trump vibe at all because he's not bamboisterous. Is that a word?

Anthony Cumia 24:15 It should be.

Joe Rogan 24:15 It should be. (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 24:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:16 It's not, right? That's what I'm saying, like-

Anthony Cumia 24:17 It describes Trump.

Joe Rogan 24:18 I don't know if that's a word.

Anthony Cumia 24:19 Femboisterous.

Joe Rogan 24:20 It seems like it should be, but-

Anthony Cumia 24:21 But it's more of that in your face-

Joe Rogan 24:23 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 24:23 ... unapologetic part.

Joe Rogan 24:24 He's unapologetic, but he's actually-

Anthony Cumia 24:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:26 ... rational and calm.

Anthony Cumia 24:27 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:28 And even when he talked about opening up Florida and everybody was criticizing him, he did it on a chart and he showed, "We're gonna protect our vulnerable. We're go-" And he did, he says it calm and it's like an even keel when he has his conversation. There's no-

Anthony Cumia 24:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:40 ... crazy... (yelling) There's no crazy spikes. You know?

Anthony Cumia 24:45 You don't like the crazy spikes? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:47 (laughs) Well, they get, they get people a little nervous.

Anthony Cumia 24:49 Dude, I was ju- As... And it's weird, 'cause I really can't separate sometimes the entertainer.

Joe Rogan 24:55 Yeah. "Pardon everyone charged for defying COVID rules." Wow. He's gonna pardon everyone?

Anthony Cumia 25:01 Uh-oh.

Joe Rogan 25:01 Well, a lot of people-

Narrator 25:02 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 25:02 ... are gonna move to Florida if- Is it retroactive?

Narrator 25:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:04 Like, if you get busted in New York, can you go to Florida and they'll let you off the hook?

Anthony Cumia 25:08 (laughs) Yeah, sure.

Joe Rogan 25:09 Like that guy who owns the gym.

Narrator 25:10 Just, just in Florida.

Anthony Cumia 25:11 That poor bastard.

Joe Rogan 25:12 Just in Florida?

Narrator 25:12 He couldn't, like, leave.

Anthony Cumia 25:13 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 25:14 The guy who owns a gym in New Jersey? Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 25:15 They boarded it up and he's gotta-

Joe Rogan 25:17 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 25:17 ... bust it down and then the cops show up and... I can't imagine these cops wanna do this.

Joe Rogan 25:23 No, it's, um, the health department.

Anthony Cumia 25:25 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:25 They wanna reinforce this idea that they're in control and then it's a game.

Anthony Cumia 25:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:29 'Cause once they're in control and then you violate that, especially gyms, they're the-

Anthony Cumia 25:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:34 ... literally the healthiest fucking place on earth.

Anthony Cumia 25:36 (laughs) Yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan 25:37 It's like where people actually go to get healthy, you're preventing them from... You're keeping them from the one thing that's been statistically proven to aid your immune system.

Anthony Cumia 25:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:47 Other than vitamins-

Anthony Cumia 25:48 Exercise.

Joe Rogan 25:49 ... exercise. Yeah. Proven.

Anthony Cumia 25:50 It's... It, it... None of it makes sense. No one that goes to a gym is in th- the, the dangerous demo.

Joe Rogan 25:56 No.

Anthony Cumia 25:57 Uh, so yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:58 And if you are, you're trying to get out of that demo.

Anthony Cumia 26:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:00 You're in, you're in the gym because you're trying to get out of the obesity demo.

Anthony Cumia 26:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:03 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 26:04 Doesn't a- Doesn't anyone see... When you think of the beginning of this whole thing, and it was, uh, the flatten the curve thing.

Joe Rogan 26:11 Mm-hmm.

Anthony Cumia 26:11 The flatten the curve thing was completely based on, hey, we know everyone's eventually gonna get this.

Joe Rogan 26:17 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 26:17 We just need to spread out the time of everyone getting it so we don't get overwhelmed with emergency care in the hospitals and ventilators and whatnot.

Joe Rogan 26:25 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 26:25 And that makes sense. I could get it. You get this huge spike and then it goes away, you wanna spread it out. But when did it turn into, "Well, no, now we're on the no one can ever get it ever, ever, and w- we need to keep you from touching each other or being in a sports complex or eating dinner." Like, that was never supposed to be part of it.

Joe Rogan 26:44 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 26:44 It was supposed... We were supposed to get this, as healthy people getting the flu. Protect the elderly, protect the preexisting conditions, uh, people with asthma or other, oth- other problems. Wh- when did it turn into, "Hey, you wanna see a Yankee game? Well, you gotta have your phone with a code on it now." And I'm not kidding, I watched this-

Joe Rogan 27:06 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 27:07 ... piece about this guy. It was a NBC News piece. This guy goes to Yankee Stadium. He's gonna show you what it takes to go to a Yankee game. And he's like, all these steps, he needed to put his info into a government site to pop a code up on his phone to give to someone with his results, his medical results, to some guy standing in front of Yankee Stadium taking his temperature, clicking that, and then he goes, "And social distancing and wearing a mask." And then they show him in the seats and he goes, "And you're in." Like, what? It was a big complex thing. Here's how you're supposed to go to the game. "Hey, uh, Bobby, I got a ticket to the Yankee game. You wanna go?" "Okay, cool. Meet me at the subway." There. You're in. Simple as that.

Joe Rogan 27:52 Well, I think originally they thought that the virus would burn out if everybody stayed home. They thought whoever got it would get over it and then we would go back out and no one would infect anybody.

Anthony Cumia 28:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:03 That was a thought.

Anthony Cumia 28:05 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 28:05 So it wasn't just that everybody was gonna get it and we're gonna flatten the curve. The idea was like, let the virus burn out because no one's gonna reinfect anybody.

Anthony Cumia 28:13 But how long was that supposed to take? No one at the beginning was told, "Hey, guess what? In over a year you're still gonna be dealing with this bullshit."

Joe Rogan 28:21 Yeah. No. They thought it was two weeks. They thought-

Anthony Cumia 28:22 Two weeks.

Joe Rogan 28:22 ... two weeks was gonna be it.

Anthony Cumia 28:23 Right, two weeks to flatten the curve.

Joe Rogan 28:24 But you know what it's like? It's like a lot of what Jordan Peterson talked about-

Anthony Cumia 28:27 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:27 ... when he was talking about rules in Canada, that they were trying to enforce rules and, uh, for, uh, required speech. Uh, a nd that when you would, would do this, he's like, "There's a real problem with doing this." If you have compelled speech laws, he's like-

Anthony Cumia 28:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:43 ... because then they keep pushing it further and further and further. Like, you have to have freedom of speech and it has to be steadfast.

Anthony Cumia 28:49 It's gotta be absolute, right?

Joe Rogan 28:50 It has to be absolute. Because even people who go, "Well, freedom of speech is not that important." Oh my God, man, it's so fucking important.

Anthony Cumia 28:56 The utmost. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:56 Because if, if you, if you alter it a little bit, then it leaves wiggle room to continue moving it-

Anthony Cumia 29:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:03 ... left and right, depending on who's in power.

Anthony Cumia 29:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:05 It can go really far left or really far right, because it turns out it's not really about what's right or what's wrong. It's about who is in power-

Anthony Cumia 29:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:14 ... and what they believe and what ideology they're supporting. And that's what you're seeing right now with these social media platforms that have this ability to just decide what the narrative is-

Anthony Cumia 29:22 Yep.

Joe Rogan 29:23 ... and block people from doing things. I talked about this on the podcast. I tried to share a s- a video with a friend where there was a doctor talking about ivermectin. And I was like... You know, 'cause this friend of mine, he, he knows a lot, very smart guy. And I said, "Hey, is this true?" He says, "This doctor's saying that ivermectin cures 99% of the people. It's a 99 effective treatment of COVID."

Anthony Cumia 29:44 Can't say that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:45 "Particularly if you catch it quickly."

Anthony Cumia 29:46 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:46 I'm like, so I tried to send it to him in a DM and it wouldn't send.

Anthony Cumia 29:50 Oh my God. It wouldn't even send.

Joe Rogan 29:52 It wouldn't send. It would not send. So I'm like, "Maybe I, maybe my connection fucked up. Let me try it again." And I, and I, then I sent him a message, "For some reason it's not sending." The message goes through.That message goes through, okay, so let me try to send it again. Try to send it again. No, it wouldn't send. I'm like, "Oh my God, give me your email address." So I- I had to get-

Anthony Cumia 30:08 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 30:09 ... his email address. He gave me his email address. I sent it to him through email.

Anthony Cumia 30:11 So there's an algorithm that's finding these words?

Joe Rogan 30:13 Exact- It's not words, it's a specific video. It's a specific-

Anthony Cumia 30:17 Oh, a video-

Joe Rogan 30:17 ... link.

Anthony Cumia 30:18 ... itself. Okay, all right.

Joe Rogan 30:18 Yeah, so it was a link to this video itself. Someone had reported it, or it had been deemed not worthy for sharing. But it's a doctor, it's an actual medical doctor-

Anthony Cumia 30:27 That didn't seem to matter.

Joe Rogan 30:27 ... who treats patients-

Anthony Cumia 30:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:29 ... who's discussing why ivermectin works, the- the effectiveness of ivermectin, and all of the success that he's had with his clients. But what-

Anthony Cumia 30:37 Wrong science.

Joe Rogan 30:37 ... what he was saying though, that- wh- which, where it gets disturbing is he was saying that the reason why this is n- so controversial is because it, you can't fund vaccines when there's a, an effective treatment.

Anthony Cumia 30:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:49 'Cause like then there's no, there's no incentive.

Anthony Cumia 30:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:54 And I don't know if that's why. I think more likely there's people that are, uh, that are in social media that are doing these, uh, that are in charge of what they censor and not censor. They think they're doing the right thing. In their eyes, they're stopping people from promoting harmful-

Anthony Cumia 31:10 But-

Joe Rogan 31:10 ... propaganda and misinformation.

Anthony Cumia 31:12 But isn't that, um, you know, you could go back to the classic, there were a lot of people that thought they were doing the right thing in history. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:18 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 31:18 You know, it's-

Joe Rogan 31:18 Exactly.

Anthony Cumia 31:19 Uh-

Joe Rogan 31:19 And that's Jordan Peterson's point.

Anthony Cumia 31:21 Yeah, yeah. I love Jordan.

Joe Rogan 31:22 I love him.

Anthony Cumia 31:23 My chick, my chick actually turned me onto Jordan Peterson. And, uh, I watch him now, and I just, I kind of feel bad for him. (laughs) He seems so, like, beaten down-

Joe Rogan 31:35 Well-

Anthony Cumia 31:35 ... at this point. And I know-

Joe Rogan 31:36 He's-

Anthony Cumia 31:36 ... about his medical problems and-

Joe Rogan 31:38 That's what got him.

Anthony Cumia 31:39 ... addictions and stuff. But you watch a video from three years ago, and this guy had a lot more pep and, and sounded better.

Joe Rogan 31:45 He'll be back.

Anthony Cumia 31:46 And now I saw him on Tucker Carlson, uh, about a week ago, and I was like, "Oh, fuck, this guy really seems down." Like, mentally too, he just doesn't have that, that energy.

Joe Rogan 31:57 Well, physically I think that benzodiazepine and, uh-

Anthony Cumia 32:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:00 ... I talked to Hamilton Morris about that. Apparently it's one of the most difficult things to kick. It's, uh, it- it's benzos-

Anthony Cumia 32:06 What is that, like, Xanax and...

Joe Rogan 32:08 Uh, yeah.

Anthony Cumia 32:09 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:09 And some other ones. But, uh, benzos and alcohol are two of the rare things that when you're addicted to them, they'll kill you if you get off them too quick.

Anthony Cumia 32:18 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:19 Yeah. So he had a really hard time of it physically, to the point where he's not... I mean, you know, he and I talked about him doing the show again, and I said, "I r- I really wanna do it in person." Like, "Let me know when you can do it in person." He's like-

Anthony Cumia 32:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:31 ... "I just can't deal with travel right now. I just, I'm not physically capable to travel yet."

Anthony Cumia 32:36 Dude, I, I had to go to rehab for a crime that I committed (laughs) so they said. It was, uh, you, you know Vinnie Brand from, uh-

Joe Rogan 32:45 Yes.

Anthony Cumia 32:45 ... The Stress Factory.

Joe Rogan 32:46 Stress Factory?

Anthony Cumia 32:46 Uh, I was going out with his daughter for a while, uh, Dani Brand. And, uh, she was just... If anyone could push your buttons, it was fucking Dani Brand. She was a mental patient. Uh, uh, uh, but, you know, we were going out, just kind of-

Joe Rogan 33:01 Allegedly.

Anthony Cumia 33:02 Allegedly. Well, no, no, I, I can say that.

Joe Rogan 33:05 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 33:05 Disavow, Joe, disavow.

Joe Rogan 33:07 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 33:08 So we got into... We, we'd get into fights all the time. You could, you could talk to gr- every, every single girlfriend I've ever had since I was 13 years old, and every girlfriend I've had since that episode. None of them will say I'm a physical person when I get into an argument with anybody. This fight was like throwing and breaking each other's phones and yelling and, and she's videoing it live so it's streaming. And I'm drunk and-

Joe Rogan 33:42 (exhales)

Anthony Cumia 33:42 ... it was just bad all over.

Joe Rogan 33:45 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 33:45 Bad all over. I'm like, "If I hadn't gotten fired for the Times Square thing, this would've, you know, fired me." (laughs) Anyway, so all this shit happens. I, uh, I, I grab her hand and I, I bit her hand. I was just-

Joe Rogan 33:58 Oh, my god.

Anthony Cumia 33:58 I was just pissed. I was pissed. I didn't wanna hit her or anything. She's just a wafe-

Joe Rogan 34:02 Bitter.

Anthony Cumia 34:02 ... a wafe of a girl, you know? And I just bit her hand. I was like, "Argh!" Uh, no blood or anything, I just bit her hand. Uh, then the, the fight calms down. Uh, we decide to actually drive to the Apple Store to buy ourselves new phones.

Joe Rogan 34:18 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 34:18 So she gets in the car, we drive. I come back, cops all around my fucking house.

Joe Rogan 34:24 'Cause she had streamed it live.

Anthony Cumia 34:25 She had streamed it live. Someone had saw it-

Joe Rogan 34:27 Oh.

Anthony Cumia 34:28 ... and called the cops to come to the house. Well, they bring her in the house. I'm standing outside, and they bring her in with a girl cop. And I'm sure she's like, "Well, what happened? Well, did he do this? Well, did he mean this? Did..." All that. Before I know it they're like, "Uh..." They fucking grab my pistol. They fucking handcuff me. I'm like, I'd never been arrested in my life. Never. For noth- ever. And, uh, that whole thing started this, uh, my experience with the legal system. And it is fucked. As a guy, you're just screwed. And it, it's this whole thing where you don't even get... It's not like TV or the movies. "I would like to present to you..." They want everything to be pled out. So I had to plea and sit there and do one of those things where you stand there and go, "Yes, I s- I placed my arm on her throat." And-

Joe Rogan 35:25 When you, they, they say they want everything to plead out, is that because the courts are too overcrowded and-

Anthony Cumia 35:29 Yeah, yeah, they just bam, bam, bam. They want shit to just go through.

Joe Rogan 35:33 Right.

Anthony Cumia 35:33 It's nothing. Whe- when we see a trial on television, it's, it's an anomaly. Trials don't happen. Plea bargains happen constantly. And they're never really, uh, what happened. You're, you're pleading to something just to get off the hook.

Joe Rogan 35:49 Right.

Anthony Cumia 35:49 They told me, "All right, well, bring it down to a harassment thing." It would be like going down the street and, you know-

Joe Rogan 35:55 Whistling to a girl.

Anthony Cumia 35:55 ... "Hey, you're an asshole," or whistling to a girl.

Joe Rogan 35:57 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 35:57 Right, right. And, and now I could go, "Huh, should I spend tens of thousands if not $100,000 defending myself?" Where a jury could just go, "I don't like this guy," and give me, uh, the big charge. Or, should I just plea? And then I'll, I won't have a, a felony on my record. I won't have... I'll have a violation, not even a misdemeanor. So of course you take that.... but everything gets twisted around. E- Everything gets twisted. Nothing's real. They've done stories about you in the news where you look and go, "Oh, my God. That is the most inaccurate thing I've ever seen." A- and you think at first it's just about you, and then you realize, "Oh, wait. They're getting everything wrong." (laughs) It's not just me. Any story they do is a lie.

Joe Rogan 36:46 Well, they go towards the most sensational version of it possible because-

Anthony Cumia 36:50 Yes.

Joe Rogan 36:50 ... that's their business. Their business is selling clicks.

Anthony Cumia 36:53 Shoulda been, uh, informing the people. (laughs) Uh, that's kinda naive.

Joe Rogan 36:56 That's not as profitable.

Anthony Cumia 36:58 No, it's not. Back in the old days, I think it was part of, uh, TV stations' licensing that they had to provide a certain amount of time to inform the people.

Joe Rogan 37:07 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 37:07 So they thought, "Ah, we'll put a half hour, some guy'll read the news, that'll cover our FCC obligation to inform the people." That's what PSAs used to be about and stuff.

Joe Rogan 37:16 Right.

Anthony Cumia 37:16 It was just filling time that the FCC said, "Because you're a licensed broadcaster, you need to do these things." And then someone somewhere went, "I think we can make money off of this." "What? Who's gonna, who's gonna buy time on a news show?" It's like, "Well, if we make the news a little titillating and spike it up a little bit," uh, and then you got shows like A Current Affair that came out-

Joe Rogan 37:39 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 37:39 ... and all those pseudo-news shows, and then the regular mainstream media news decided to pick up that outline and, and format, and the days of, uh, Cronkite and Huntley-Brinkley and shit were gone. And that's what we're living in now, complete lie. I don't watch one thing on the news anymore and trust anything they're saying, ever.

Joe Rogan 38:00 Have you ever read, uh, Matt Taibbi's book, Hate Inc?

Anthony Cumia 38:03 No.

Joe Rogan 38:03 That's what it's called, right? Isn't it called Hate Inc? Yeah. It's, it's fantastic. He details how this all happened, how it got started. And, and it's, i- i- it's a business model, and it's, it, uh, that's what's profitable now. And particularly-

Anthony Cumia 38:16 Yes.

Joe Rogan 38:16 ... because the internet is all about short attention span thing, the cycle of interesting things in the news goes in and out so quickly, you gotta captivate people as quickly as possible, and the best way to do that is the most sensational version of something possible.

Anthony Cumia 38:30 Sensational.

Joe Rogan 38:30 And that's how you sell ads, and that's how you do this, and that's how you do that, just keep it moving.

Anthony Cumia 38:33 But when you realize that fear is part of it, like, fear is a great thing. People wanna know-

Joe Rogan 38:39 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 38:39 ... if something's gonna kill them or hurt them or their family or their dog. Uh, so if you present this horrible scenario, people are gonna watch, and then they're gonna yap about it and the sponsors will go, "Oh, a lot of people tuned into this. We, let's spend some money here." So what do you think the news company does? "God, I hope something, uh, crazy scary comes up," or are they gonna make something that's crazy scary?

Joe Rogan 39:04 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 39:04 Of course they are, it's their product. So they're building.

Joe Rogan 39:08 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 39:08 It's a factory now of scary, titillating, bloody, uh, lies.

Joe Rogan 39:14 Yeah. Well, you, you, you were getting to something-

Anthony Cumia 39:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:16 ... 'cause you said that you, you got, you got arrested, but you had a whole point to get to.

Anthony Cumia 39:21 I really did, didn't I, Joe?

Joe Rogan 39:23 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 39:24 (laughs) That went away. All the sudden I'm thinking, I'm talking about this, and I did have a point to get to.

Joe Rogan 39:29 Yeah, there was something you were getting to. I'm like, "Man, I wanna bring him back to this 'cause I wanna know what it is."

Anthony Cumia 39:32 I know. It might've been a relationship thing-

Joe Rogan 39:34 Mm.

Anthony Cumia 39:35 ... which is probably was.

Joe Rogan 39:36 Physical, throwing things, biting, phones.

Anthony Cumia 39:40 Y- y- yeah, but that wasn't it.

Joe Rogan 39:42 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 39:42 I had gone into it with the intention of veering off to something else and I got tracked on that and it just stuck in my head, and now it's, uh, gone. It's gone forever.

Joe Rogan 39:50 Yeah, well, it's understandable.

Anthony Cumia 39:52 Gone forever.

Joe Rogan 39:53 It's, um-

Anthony Cumia 39:53 One of those things.

Joe Rogan 39:54 Uh, we're gonna be able to read each other's minds soon. I think within the next decade or two.

Anthony Cumia 39:58 Do you think that's the thing?

Joe Rogan 39:59 Yeah, that's just gonna pull us outta this.

Anthony Cumia 40:00 Now that's a scary prospect.

Joe Rogan 40:01 It is a scary prospect, but it's no more scary than the difference between what it used to be when you left your house and no one knew where you were-

Anthony Cumia 40:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:09 ... to now you have a tag in your backpack and your mom can track you every step of the way-

Anthony Cumia 40:12 Yeah, yeah, that's a thing.

Joe Rogan 40:14 ... to Find My Phone. You know, you use Find My Phone, if you're on the same account, you can see where your husband is, you can see where-

Anthony Cumia 40:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:20 ... your wife is. You can see where your kids are. You can find your phone. You go, "Doo, doo, doo, doo. Oh, there it is, downtown." You, you know where everybody is, and then on top of that, everybody's geotagging their photographs, everybody's putting their location-

Anthony Cumia 40:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:32 ... and data in their Instagram pictures. It's like we-

Anthony Cumia 40:35 We put way too much out there.

Joe Rogan 40:36 ... we're getting closer and closer and closer to being totally interconnected, and I think one of the ways it's gonna get us out of this, b- that's gonna be the savior of propaganda and bullshit. Wouldn't it be nice if we knew exactly what people were thinking?

Anthony Cumia 40:51 Oh, I don't know. We kinda-

Joe Rogan 40:53 Well, some people.

Anthony Cumia 40:54 We kinda have that with social media, things like Twitter, where we know what people are thinking because they, it's what they present to you.

Joe Rogan 41:02 It's more of what they're projecting. And you kinda, you, you have to use your own, your ability to decipher bullshit, to go-

Anthony Cumia 41:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:10 ... "Oh, this is virtue signaling. This is a guy who's trying to take some heat off of him, so he's going after that guy."

Anthony Cumia 41:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:17 You know, you, you can kinda-

Anthony Cumia 41:17 And then you would know that.

Joe Rogan 41:19 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anthony Cumia 41:19 Instead of just seeing, like, somebody, uh, bullying online, you would know, "Oh, this is a poor, lonely-"

Joe Rogan 41:25 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 41:26 ... "douchebag-"

Joe Rogan 41:27 Sad. Depressed.

Anthony Cumia 41:28 ... sad, depressed guy. Uh-

Joe Rogan 41:29 Everybody attacking people on Twitter is depressed. They're almost all depressed.

Anthony Cumia 41:32 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:33 There's always something wrong with you.

Anthony Cumia 41:34 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:35 If you're going after people for s- for things like that. Unless someone's, like, doing something, like someone's ripping you off and you wanna inform people, "Hey, I'm getting fucked over and this, this could happen to you."

Anthony Cumia 41:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:46 "Here's what's going on." The, the people that are just attacking people, for the most part, they're trying to bring people down because they're down. That's almost all of it.

Anthony Cumia 41:54 We've, uh, we've seen it happen quite a few times. My brother is, uh, various cover bands. He's a great guitarist and, uh, does gigs all over the place, and because he's my brother, some of these people decided to just fuck with him and call some of these venues and say that he's this terrible person, they'll make up things, and, and he's had gigs canceled because of that. And it's, uh, first of all, I, I just don't get that mindset. Why would you do that? And it is because these people are just angry and, and-

Joe Rogan 42:24 They want the, they want who's successful-

Anthony Cumia 42:27 They want attention.

Joe Rogan 42:27 ... is doing that.

Anthony Cumia 42:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 42:28 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 42:28 Exactly. So my brother actually started looking into a lot of this, and he's called a couple of these people. He figured out how to get in touch with them and called them. And every single one of them-... after a, a little while, says, uh, something to the effect of, uh, "Dude, I, I was just fucking around. I'm joking. I play guitar too. You know, I, I heard some of your stuff, man. It's really good." And so-

Joe Rogan 42:53 Oh, no. (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 42:53 ... it turns into this thing, like, "What the fuck?" And my brother's sitting there going, "You motherfu-" Like-

Joe Rogan 42:59 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 43:00 ... like, this guy is now your friend? Like, he's, he's a, uh, compatriot of yours?

Joe Rogan 43:05 Well, he became a human. He became a human talking to another human.

Anthony Cumia 43:07 Right, a human being. That's why I hate social media.

Joe Rogan 43:12 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 43:12 It, it, it's so easy to just not care about another name and a picture-

Joe Rogan 43:18 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 43:18 ... and a few dozen words. But when you have to face someone, uh, face-to-face, that's why you never see these people at a bar. No one walks up to me and goes, "Hey, I'm heywouldyoublowme4262, you asshole."

Joe Rogan 43:31 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 43:31 It's fucking-

Joe Rogan 43:32 Right.

Anthony Cumia 43:32 ... they never approach you in a, a real place.

Joe Rogan 43:35 Right.

Anthony Cumia 43:36 They love it. They love just standing on the sidelines anonymously and, and fucking with you.

Joe Rogan 43:40 Well, what they don't love is their life.

Anthony Cumia 43:43 Yeah, yeah, that's, that's obvious.

Joe Rogan 43:44 That's what it is. Like, you find things to do, you know, when, when your life is going well and you're happy. You find things to do that make you happy. When you're miserable, you wanna make other people miserable.

Anthony Cumia 43:56 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:57 That's what a lot of it is.

Anthony Cumia 43:58 Yeah, a lot of, uh-

Joe Rogan 43:58 There's a lotta... It's hard to be happy. It's hard to have your shit together. It's fucking confusing out there.

Anthony Cumia 44:04 It is a tough thing. Uh, it... I, I think being financially sound...

Joe Rogan 44:10 This light?

Anthony Cumia 44:10 Sure.

Joe Rogan 44:11 That'll help.

Anthony Cumia 44:11 Being financially sound helps. They say, like, money doesn't buy happiness, but you can, you can pay off a lot of sadness with it.

Joe Rogan 44:19 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 44:20 Like, like you might not be happy, but there's not a bill laying there that you can't pay while you're unhappy about something else.

Joe Rogan 44:28 Wow.

Anthony Cumia 44:28 So, I think that does help, but there are plenty of miserable people that are well-off.

Joe Rogan 44:34 Very, very, very miserable that are rich as fuck-

Anthony Cumia 44:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:36 ... because one of the things that happens when you're trying to get rich is all you think about is getting rich-

Anthony Cumia 44:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:42 ... and you lose your humanity 'cause you stop-

Anthony Cumia 44:44 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:44 ... being a good friend. You stop having fun. You don't think about, like, hugging your kids and going out with your buddies. You instead think about the numbers that you're racking up.

Anthony Cumia 44:53 Yeah, yeah. You think about-

Joe Rogan 44:55 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 44:55 ... um, you know, sustaining it.

Joe Rogan 44:58 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 44:59 U- once you get there, now you have to sustain it, uh, and that's a whole 'nother thing, so yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:05 Y- you also think about, like, the, the... Y- there's a hierarchy of rich people. You know, you have a million dollars, but Bobby's got five million, that fucking piece of shit. And then, you know, you got like, well, well, Billy's cousin's a billionaire.

Anthony Cumia 45:17 (laughs) Who is this guy? Fuck, dude.

Joe Rogan 45:17 Holy shit, he's got 1,000 million? Like, that's what, you know?

Anthony Cumia 45:21 That's so funny. I swear, it wasn't long after... Me, me and Opie signed, like, an insanely lucrative deal with Infinity Broadcasting back in, uh, I think it was 2000...

Joe Rogan 45:34 You want a cigar?

Anthony Cumia 45:36 Uh-

Joe Rogan 45:36 You smoke cigars?

Anthony Cumia 45:37 I don't smoke cigars. I always feel like it's weird 'cause I wanna inhale 'cause that's like-

Joe Rogan 45:42 Oh, okay.

Anthony Cumia 45:42 ... smoking to me. So you kinda just let it linger-

Joe Rogan 45:46 All right.

Anthony Cumia 45:46 ... in your mouth. I've smoked cigars before. Why? You got a good one?

Joe Rogan 45:48 Oh, yeah.

Anthony Cumia 45:49 Are they good?

Joe Rogan 45:50 They're good, yeah.

Anthony Cumia 45:51 'Cause I hear Cubans-

Joe Rogan 45:52 I don't need-

Anthony Cumia 45:52 ... aren't even the good cigars anymore.

Joe Rogan 45:53 I don't know. You'd have to talk to Bobby Kelly about that. He knows more than I do.

Anthony Cumia 45:56 Bobby Kelly.

Joe Rogan 45:57 I just feel like once we start drinking, I usually smoke a cigar.

Anthony Cumia 45:59 I did his... I'll smoke a cigar with you though.

Joe Rogan 46:01 Look at you.

Anthony Cumia 46:02 Wh- why wouldn't I?

Joe Rogan 46:03 Why wouldn't you?

Anthony Cumia 46:03 We're here on the Joe Rogan Experience. Humidor...

Joe Rogan 46:07 I interrupted you again.

Anthony Cumia 46:08 No, it's fine. You, you have such a man place here. This is a dude fucking place.

Joe Rogan 46:15 (laughs) It's not as duty as the last place 'cause I don't have the gym, but I've-

Anthony Cumia 46:18 Oh, right, yeah, the whole fucking gym-

Joe Rogan 46:20 ... got a gym here. Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 46:20 Of course, you are.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Yeah, that's, that'll happen soon.

Anthony Cumia 46:22 Of course, you are.

Joe Rogan 46:23 Steps.

Anthony Cumia 46:25 I was watching a, a documentary about, um... It was like, a- are we in a simulation, the matrix simulation, so I watched that. Some guy sat in, uh, one of those sensory deprivation tanks.

Joe Rogan 46:36 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 46:37 And I know your, uh, you have one of those, and, and, and the way he described it of just losing his sense of body-

Joe Rogan 46:45 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 46:46 ... and, and being able to see himself as individual particles and stuff.

Joe Rogan 46:52 Oh, he must've been high as fuck.

Anthony Cumia 46:53 Dude, he had to be. But, like, that was pretty much the gist of the whole thing was that, you know, if you can get to the reality that you are just kind of specks, you're particles, you're just things.

Joe Rogan 47:07 Yeah, you're a bunch of stuff.

Anthony Cumia 47:09 Stuff.

Joe Rogan 47:09 You're a bunch of stuff connected to a consciousness that's connected to an ego, and that ego exists to make sure that you keep breeding and perpetrating your DNA.

Anthony Cumia 47:16 Yeah, it's all biological-

Joe Rogan 47:18 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 47:18 ... and keeping the, the species going, like our whole thing. And that's a little weird 'cause we, we also find pleasure in things that don't seem to, uh, be connected to that part of it.

Joe Rogan 47:34 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 47:35 You know, I, I don't think a lion, uh, thinks, "Oh, I'll just have a good time today." I think it's food and fucking.

Joe Rogan 47:42 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 47:42 A- and m- most of the animal kingdom, I think it's food and fucking. Sometimes you see monkeys eat some kind of, um, rancid fruit, and they get drunk and fall out of trees.

Joe Rogan 47:51 Well, that's what's interesting about people is that we've figured out some weird hacks to tap into our, uh-

Anthony Cumia 47:57 Lighter?

Joe Rogan 47:58 Yeah, that's a lighter.

Anthony Cumia 47:58 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:58 There's a lighter. You flip it to the other side.

Anthony Cumia 48:00 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 48:01 There's the other, the other s- flip it upside down.

Anthony Cumia 48:03 Oh. (lighter clicking)

Joe Rogan 48:03 And then pop the top.

Anthony Cumia 48:05 Oh. (lighter flicking)

Joe Rogan 48:06 That way, yeah. There you go, and then push that up.

Anthony Cumia 48:08 Ah.

Joe Rogan 48:08 There you go. You really don't smoke cigars.

Anthony Cumia 48:10 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 48:11 Um, we found out tricks to hijack-

Anthony Cumia 48:14 Phaser.

Joe Rogan 48:15 It's good stuff, right? We found tricks to hijack our biological reward system, you know, like, uh, like, the, the thrill of the hunt gets replaced with a video game, right?

Anthony Cumia 48:27 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:28 Yeah, like, uh, wanting to, like, to solve puzzles and dramas and, and dealing with problems in your life and threats gets replaced by an action film, you know, where you're the hero. You pretend you're Jason Bourne-

Anthony Cumia 48:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:42 ... and you're kicking ass and saving the village.

Anthony Cumia 48:44 So it all still goes back to this-

Joe Rogan 48:46 ... biological rewards system.

Anthony Cumia 48:47 Yeah, a biological-

Joe Rogan 48:49 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 48:49 ... rewards system.

Joe Rogan 48:50 No place does that get hacked more than porn.

Anthony Cumia 48:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:52 Right? You know, you watch people fuck and you're like, "Yeah, that's me. I'm in there and I'm fucking, I'm fucking, I'm fucking." (fart noise)

Anthony Cumia 48:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:00 And then you can't wait to do it again because it's, uh, on tap 24/7. It's like you're living like Caligula.

Anthony Cumia 49:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:05 You're living like some madman, some Sultan of Brunei type character with a, with a harem of 100 women that are paid to just sit around and wait for you to fuck 'em.

Anthony Cumia 49:14 Dude, I- I gotta tell you, the, uh, the testosterone shots.

Joe Rogan 49:18 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anthony Cumia 49:18 Now, you, of course have been a proponent of this for many years. You've turned a lot of people onto it. You're- you're 100% with this.

Joe Rogan 49:26 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 49:26 I know of other people that have said, "Oh, yeah, Joe Rogan said I gotta get on this." Whenever a guy that's, uh, you know, reaching their 40s, 50s, in there, uh, says that they're having problems, uh, with libido, and muscle mass-

Joe Rogan 49:40 Energy.

Anthony Cumia 49:41 ... and stuff, energy, interest-

Joe Rogan 49:43 Aches and pains, yeah.

Anthony Cumia 49:43 ... in things, aches and pains. Yeah, you've always said that. As a matter of fact, um... And then Nick DiPaolo, I do a, I- I do a- a show with Nick on Mondays on- on my channel, and he was saying the same thing. He's going, "Ah, fuck it, no muscle mass, cocksucker. Can't fucking do anything. Look, fucking bitch arms, I'm fucking..." He's hilarious. A- and he said, "Low T."

Joe Rogan 50:05 Mm-hmm.

Anthony Cumia 50:06 So I went to the doctor. I was diagnosed with low T. It was pretty fucking low.

Joe Rogan 50:09 It's called being an old man.

Anthony Cumia 50:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:12 How old are you now?

Anthony Cumia 50:12 It's called getting... I just had my 60th on April 26th.

Joe Rogan 50:17 Six-zero. Wow.

Anthony Cumia 50:19 Dude, when I was a kid that was you're done.

Joe Rogan 50:20 Dead, you're a dead man.

Anthony Cumia 50:21 You're dead.

Joe Rogan 50:22 Meanwhile, you have a thick neck now. Look at you.

Anthony Cumia 50:24 That was-

Joe Rogan 50:24 When I saw you today, I'm like, "Look at his neck."

Anthony Cumia 50:26 I know it's getting there.

Joe Rogan 50:27 You're lifting weights?

Anthony Cumia 50:28 It's like- I am now.

Joe Rogan 50:29 Look at that.

Anthony Cumia 50:30 Yeah. Missy makes me fucking do that shit. She's an animal. She's a fucking animal.

Joe Rogan 50:35 Look at you.

Anthony Cumia 50:36 And- and- but here's the, here's the weird thing.

Joe Rogan 50:38 Okay.

Anthony Cumia 50:38 Now, I... You don't notice 'cause it's like over the years the testosterone level and- and those interests that you had and- and your libido and all that, it gets turned on like a dimmer.

Joe Rogan 50:49 Mm...

Anthony Cumia 50:49 It's like a dimmer switch.

Joe Rogan 50:51 So it's before you'll notice it-

Anthony Cumia 50:51 Slowly.

Joe Rogan 50:52 ... yeah.

Anthony Cumia 50:53 Slowly, and then another year goes by and you're like, "Wow, you know, I..." And then a little bit down, down. After two shots, it's a switch, it just went bam! And all the time it took to turn that down came right the fuck back. Joe, I'm a piece of shit again.

Joe Rogan 51:11 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 51:12 I have been looking at porn that isn't even right. Like, like I'll- I'll punch in... A- and for- for years I've been going like, "Oh, Elon Musk, SpaceX. Oh, look at that, the Falcon 9."

Joe Rogan 51:24 Now you go right to porn.

Anthony Cumia 51:25 Uh, it's- it's right to porn and the porn is like college, red pussy, hairy, nerd, like girls with glasses and big hairy red bush and stuff.

Joe Rogan 51:37 Why?

Anthony Cumia 51:38 And I'm up, "Because I don't know, Joe! 'Cause of the needles!"

Joe Rogan 51:41 Now, what- (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 51:42 I just found this-

Joe Rogan 51:43 What was- what was the porn-

Anthony Cumia 51:44 ... attraction.

Joe Rogan 51:45 ... what was the porn that you were attracted to before this?

Anthony Cumia 51:47 I wasn't really thinking of porn.

Joe Rogan 51:49 Really?

Anthony Cumia 51:49 I gotta be honest.

Joe Rogan 51:50 But why do you think it's like perverted porn?

Anthony Cumia 51:52 It isn't really perverted. I just like pale girls with big pussies.

Joe Rogan 51:56 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 51:56 Like the- the hairy muff. Reminds me of when I used to see-

Joe Rogan 51:59 Back in the days.

Anthony Cumia 52:00 ... Barbie Benton in Playboy when I was a kid. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:02 Oh, so it's bringing you back.

Anthony Cumia 52:03 It brings me right back, Joe.

Joe Rogan 52:05 So it's like, uh, you- you've basically gotten into a time machine-

Anthony Cumia 52:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:08 ... brought you back to when your libido was in full swing.

Anthony Cumia 52:11 Yes.

Joe Rogan 52:11 And you- so you're connecting with that era.

Anthony Cumia 52:13 And I think the hair is coming back.

Joe Rogan 52:14 Hair is coming back. I heard.

Anthony Cumia 52:15 Hair is making a comeback. During the '90s and early 2000s it was, cut that shit off.

Joe Rogan 52:21 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 52:21 They tried to get artistic with it at first, with the- we heard the-

Joe Rogan 52:24 Like a heart.

Anthony Cumia 52:24 ... the landing strip, the heart, the Hitler mustache-

Joe Rogan 52:27 Like an arrow.

Anthony Cumia 52:27 ... they called it.

Joe Rogan 52:28 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 52:28 Which looked stupid. It was one little tuft of hair above-

Joe Rogan 52:32 Maybe a lightning bolt.

Anthony Cumia 52:33 ... the vagina. A lightning bolt. Just stop.

Joe Rogan 52:36 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 52:36 Just stop with that.

Joe Rogan 52:37 It's a vagina.

Anthony Cumia 52:38 And then just cut everything off.

Joe Rogan 52:39 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 52:40 That's what every girl was doing. And when I was growing up, when I was in my teens looking to get laid, if a girl took her big fucking granny panties down back then-

Joe Rogan 52:51 It was madness.

Anthony Cumia 52:52 ... and I saw, uh, shaved pu- I would've lost my mind. I'd been like, "What am I with, a porn star? Who the fuck is this?"

Joe Rogan 52:59 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 52:59 "What is- why is a fucking girl..." 'Cause it was that big triangle. It looked like you took a pool rack and just filled it with barbershop floor hair. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:08 When I was, uh, 18, this girl that I was dating, uh, I had dated her in high school. And then I would, you know, date her again and she was dating this guy who was an animal. Like, they had, like, a lot of crazy problems. He smashed her window of her car and all- all kinds of-

Anthony Cumia 53:24 Oh, geez, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:25 ... the guy was a savage apparently. And, uh, she was over my house and we were starting to fool around. She was like, "I can't, I can't, I can't." I go, "Why?" She goes, "I'm embarrassed, I don't wanna tell you." I go, "Why? Just tell me." She goes, "He made me shave my pussy." So sh- this ex of hers-

Anthony Cumia 53:40 Holy shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:40 ... had made her shave her pussy. She had to shave, she was embarrassed by it.

Anthony Cumia 53:44 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 53:44 I'm like, "I don't care."

Anthony Cumia 53:45 Yeah, like I care?

Joe Rogan 53:46 Like, it's not like, wh- you- you, uh... She was embarrassed that I would know that a guy talked her into shaving her pussy.

Anthony Cumia 53:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:54 Like that's how weird the world was back then.

Anthony Cumia 53:55 And what year was this about?

Joe Rogan 53:57 Well, I was 18, so we're talking about-

Anthony Cumia 53:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:58 ... '85, I guess.

Anthony Cumia 53:59 Yeah, yeah, that would've been weird back then.

Joe Rogan 54:01 Yeah, '86 somewhere around then.

Anthony Cumia 54:03 Yeah. You had to know like... 'Cause especially back then it was so awkward and you didn't just... Now you could literally just go, "Hey, okay. Lose the clothes, we'll fucking hop in the sack."

Joe Rogan 54:13 Right.

Anthony Cumia 54:13 ... and do something. But back then it was this weird, "Can I get this right?" You never knew when she was gonna say, "Stop."

Joe Rogan 54:18 Right.

Anthony Cumia 54:19 So you had it, the shirt had to come off, you had to put your hand under the shirt.

Joe Rogan 54:22 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 54:22 And then that, and then the bra, and then down the pan- and you knew...

Joe Rogan 54:26 You had to be careful when you were undoing the bra strap, it had to be smooth 'cause if you were-

Anthony Cumia 54:29 Oh...

Joe Rogan 54:29 ... fumbling too long it might stop you.

Anthony Cumia 54:31 You look... Right. What is this rookie?

Joe Rogan 54:32 Stop, stop, stop.

Anthony Cumia 54:33 Who is this rookie? Stop. I- I got it.

Joe Rogan 54:36 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 54:36 Oh, gosh, fucking embarrassing. And those old ones had like three of the hooks in the back.

Joe Rogan 54:42 Hooks, yeah.

Anthony Cumia 54:42 The best invention was the front Velcro thing.

Joe Rogan 54:46 Oh, they have a front Velcro?

Anthony Cumia 54:46 Where it just went... Or a clip, a little- a snap.

Joe Rogan 54:48 Oh, a little... Snap, yeah.

Anthony Cumia 54:50 And it was like click and then bam, right in the front.

Joe Rogan 54:52 Boing.

Anthony Cumia 54:52 You didn't even have to take the rest off. It was awesome.... (laughs) e- eh, but when you- your hand finally went down those Jordache jeans, you- you knew when you reached-

Joe Rogan 55:04 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 55:05 ... uh, ground zero.

Joe Rogan 55:06 You heard Guns N' Roses.

Anthony Cumia 55:07 You felt it. You were getting there. Right, right.

Joe Rogan 55:09 Welcome to the Jungle.

Anthony Cumia 55:09 Welcome to the Jungle. And then, uh, a comic did it years ago, but it was, uh, something about how you were always surprised at how far down that really was. (laughs) Like, you'd go down the front of the pants, like, all right, belly button's here. It's a good two feet from the belly button.

Joe Rogan 55:23 I remember when I was 13 years old.

Anthony Cumia 55:25 It was right there. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:25 When I was 13 years old, there was a kid in my neighborhood, uh, when I was 13, I moved from Florida. I moved- moved from Gainesville, Florida to Jamaica Plain, uh, Massachusetts. At the time, it was kind of a sketchy neighborhood and there was a lot of, like, rough kids that lived there. It was, uh, you know, very, uh, l- lower income and those w- wild street kids. They were out in the street and there was this kid next, my nextdoor neighbor. His name was Pauly Hudson. He was a dangerous kid. Like he-

Anthony Cumia 55:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:47 ... was already smoking cigarettes at 13. And, you know, I was very innocent when I moved to the spot.

Anthony Cumia 55:52 Oh, jeez.

Joe Rogan 55:52 And I remember he was talking to me about sex, and they were talking to me about girls and the- you know, and having sex with girls. And I had never had sex with a girl. I mean, I don't even, maybe had kissed a girl, like, on the... I don't even know if I'd kissed a girl with tongue by then, right?

Anthony Cumia 56:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:04 And, uh, he was like, uh-

Anthony Cumia 56:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:06 He was like, "You probably don't even know that when you fuck a girl, you don't go straight. You go up in her."

Anthony Cumia 56:12 Like, what?

Joe Rogan 56:13 And I was like, "What are you talking about?" I remember thinking that.

Anthony Cumia 56:15 You thought you went straight. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:17 I didn't know.

Anthony Cumia 56:17 Like the cotton swab during COVID testing.

Joe Rogan 56:20 I literally-

Anthony Cumia 56:20 Like, "Wait, that's backwards. I thought it went up," but it goes straight in. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:23 I don't think that I had an accurate map of the landscape when it came-

Anthony Cumia 56:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 56:27 ... to a woman's vagina. I didn't know where everything was.

Anthony Cumia 56:29 Not many guys did.

Joe Rogan 56:30 I was 13. But this kid knew that I didn't know and he's like, "You probably don't even know."

Anthony Cumia 56:34 How old was he?

Joe Rogan 56:34 He was 13, too.

Anthony Cumia 56:35 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 56:36 He was already sm- like I said, he was smoking cigarettes.

Anthony Cumia 56:38 All right.

Joe Rogan 56:38 These kids were animals.

Anthony Cumia 56:39 He had some issues.

Joe Rogan 56:39 They were roaming the streets.

Anthony Cumia 56:40 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:41 These kids were like... I, when I got into this neighborhood, everybody was just wandering around and they were all doing terrible things. They were all lighting things on fire and there's-

Anthony Cumia 56:49 Fire was a big thing, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:50 Dogs were always running around. Nobody's dog was ever in the yard. It was a wild neighborhood.

Anthony Cumia 56:54 Yeah. At 13, I remember kids like that and then when they got a little older, the crowds kind of separated because some of them would start breaking into houses.

Joe Rogan 57:04 Right.

Anthony Cumia 57:04 And, like, you'd stay away from those kids. It was this weird-

Joe Rogan 57:07 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 57:07 ... like, tree would grow of the really good kids-

Joe Rogan 57:10 Yes.

Anthony Cumia 57:10 ... and the really bad kids.

Joe Rogan 57:11 The kids who took that turn.

Anthony Cumia 57:13 Yeah, and you'd sometimes go over and be like, "All right, we'll fucking drive over some mailboxes tonight." Like, that kind of innocent shit. But then someone would just take it way too far.

Joe Rogan 57:22 Yeah, these kids were already breaking in the houses. They were calling-

Anthony Cumia 57:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:24 ... them B and Es. I had to ask what a B and E was.

Anthony Cumia 57:26 B and E. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:27 They was like, "Yeah, he was doing B and Es." I'm like, "What's a B and E?"

Anthony Cumia 57:29 Uh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:29 Breaking and entering. I was like-

Anthony Cumia 57:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:31 ... "Oh, I didn't know." Like, I- I was so in... I went from being this kid that grew up... I was living in San Francisco and then I was living in a college town in Florida, and then all of a sudden Jamaica Plain. And Jamaica Plain in '78, I guess when I got there, '79 was fucking sketchy.

Anthony Cumia 57:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:48 Like, like, it was a lot of, like-

Anthony Cumia 57:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:50 ... dangerous people.

Anthony Cumia 57:52 I love it. I and when- when I was out in California, my dad lived out there. So, uh, I went out to live with my dad for a while. Uh, I was about 13 years old and my dad was all about like, "Man training, yeah. It's man training."

Joe Rogan 58:08 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 58:08 It's like, "Uh," 'cause he had me pegged as like, you know, I was gonna be this little fruity kid. Uh, I- I- I tell a story, um, about when I made a- a marionette. I made a marionette. The only thing was it didn't have strings on it yet and my dad's like, "You are not taking that doll with you." I'm like, "It's a marionette." He goes, "A puppet without strings is a doll!"

Joe Rogan 58:33 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 58:33 He's just yelling at me and I'm like, I start crying. He called me pissy eyes and my mother's yelling at my father 'cause he's yelling at me and poor little Anthony. So when I went out to California, he decided, "I'm gonna get him a horse. I'm gonna buy him guns."

Joe Rogan 58:47 Oh, what a sweet-

Anthony Cumia 58:47 "And this guy is gonna..." So I got this black horse and, uh, for my birthday he got me a- a Winchester 3030 and a Ruger Super Single Six pistol. And he's like, "If I was just, uh, 13th or 14th birthday and I got that, I'd saddle my horse and ride up in the hills." And I would just ride up in the hills, bam, bam, shooting guns like a mental patient. It was great. It was a great, like- like, I was able to be-

Joe Rogan 59:14 Where in California were you?

Anthony Cumia 59:14 ... a cowboy. San Juan Capistrano where the swallows come back every year in Orange County.

Joe Rogan 59:19 Where's it... Oh, Orange County. Okay.

Anthony Cumia 59:20 Yeah, it's in between San Diego and LA.

Joe Rogan 59:22 Oh, yeah. It's ranch country out there.

Anthony Cumia 59:23 Right by the mission. Oh, all horses, dude.

Joe Rogan 59:25 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 59:25 Everyone had a horse. There were hitching posts in front of the bars on Camino Capistrano-

Joe Rogan 59:31 What?

Anthony Cumia 59:31 ... which was the main drag.

Joe Rogan 59:33 Hitching posts?

Anthony Cumia 59:33 Hitching post. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:34 Where you could pull up with a horse.

Anthony Cumia 59:35 Pull up, and people did, and you'd tie it up-

Joe Rogan 59:37 Are you allowed to drink and drive a horse?

Anthony Cumia 59:39 Yeah, back then anyway. It's totally different now.

Joe Rogan 59:42 But I mean, doesn't it seem like that would be fine? Because it's not like you're in control anyway. It's not like-

Anthony Cumia 59:46 No, no.

Joe Rogan 59:46 ... a car.

Anthony Cumia 59:46 The horses-

Joe Rogan 59:47 The horse is in control.

Anthony Cumia 59:48 ... doing the, all the work.

Joe Rogan 59:49 I feel like you could be hammered on a horse and that's okay.

Anthony Cumia 59:51 I've seen many people hammered on horses back then 'cause everyone was drunk.

Joe Rogan 59:55 Doesn't that seem like that would be a different thing though? Like, you shouldn't get in trouble for that.

Anthony Cumia 59:59 You shouldn't. Unless you cause an accident maybe. Let me say that.

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 Can you get a DUI riding a horse? (laughs) Riding a horse drunk on public-

Anthony Cumia 1:00:09 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 ... roads in California violates the law. Of course it does. California gets rid of everything fun. You can't even go outside without a mask on.

Anthony Cumia 1:00:15 The People versus Fong? (laughs) That's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 So some dude named Fong was trying to fucking have a good time on his horse.

Anthony Cumia 1:00:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 Have a couple of brewskis-

Anthony Cumia 1:00:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 ... ride around. The People versus Fong. Imagine forever horse driving while drunk is connected to your last name. You're like-

Anthony Cumia 1:00:31 To your last name. It's the law.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 ... "Come on, I'm the first guy? Me?"

Anthony Cumia 1:00:33 You did it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 How many people were riding horses drunk before this Fong-

Anthony Cumia 1:00:37 40% of it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 ... fella came along? Poor guy.

Anthony Cumia 1:00:39 Poor son of a bitch, Fong.

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 But that's kind of crazy that it's this, it's like a legal precedent. It's connected to this one dude.

Anthony Cumia 1:00:45 Imagine that you're just... (clicks tongue)

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 1:00:47 Whoop, whoop, whoo.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 1:00:49 Like, what the fuck?

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 Well, you gotta- you gotta make sure you have cowboy boots on too. A lot of people don't know cowboy boots are designed to slip on and off because your feet get stuck in the stirrups.

Anthony Cumia 1:00:59 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 And if the horse goes crazy, the boots just slip off-

Anthony Cumia 1:01:02 Got to get that outta there.

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 ... and then you fall out and you're okay. You don't get dragged to your death.

Anthony Cumia 1:01:05 Yeah, yeah.We got thrown off a lot of horses back in those days. Like, it was-

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 (sighs)

Anthony Cumia 1:01:09 ... constant. You, just your horse would spook at something and-

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 1:01:13 ... throw you off. And my dad's like, "Eh, son of a bitch, get, you gotta get back on that horse!"

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 Whoa.

Anthony Cumia 1:01:17 Like, to literally get back on the horse that threw you, kind of a thing. So my dad was, uh, he, he wanted me to, uh, you know, become a man at 13, 14 years old. So there was this girl, Buzz. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Her name was Buzz?

Anthony Cumia 1:01:32 Her name was Buzz. Her name is Chris, Christine. Uh, kind of a big boned gal.

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 Why'd they call her Buzz?

Anthony Cumia 1:01:38 Uh, 'cause she was constantly buzzed. She was-

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 1:01:41 ... constantly buzzed. A- a- and, and, uh, she was known around the, um, the ranch for, uh, being a little loose.

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 Oh.

Anthony Cumia 1:01:50 Uh, so, so my dad, I think my dad noticed I was making, like, a lot of bathroom trips at that point 'cause I had just discovered-

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 Started jacking off?

Anthony Cumia 1:01:58 ... the fact that you could jack off and do fun things like that. So he's like, "All right, I got Buzz, I'll get Buzz and, uh, you know, hook them up."

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 1:02:07 So, (laughs) so my father and his girlfriend at the time, Corey, they go out and Buzz is hanging out with me. And I'm clueless, man. I am fucking clueless. And she goes, uh, "Why don't you go up and take a shower?" 'Cause I'd been at the ranch all day and fucking smelled like horse shit and everything. And I'm like, I didn't even think, I'm like, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 1:02:25 "All right." We watch, like, Monty Python or some shit. And I go in, I take a shower. Uh, I come out and I'm walking to my bedroom and, uh, my dad and Corey's bedroom were, was along the way. And I hear from in there, I'm like, "You coming in?" And, and I look in the room, and it still hadn't hit me. I'm just like, "What is going on here?" I'm getting my PJs on and I'm gonna go downstairs and watch TV. So I look in the room and there's Buzz. She's sitting, uh, on the bed, kind of sitting with her, uh, back against the headboard. And the blanket is up to her waist, so she... and she had big fucking tits. (laughs) So, so I'm, I look in and I, again, still I'm just like, what, like it didn't fit. It didn't, nothing made sense. And then I'm like, "Oh shit, I think this, I'm gonna have some sex."

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 1:03:20 "I'm gonna be fucking a girl." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 You're 13?

Anthony Cumia 1:03:25 Th- uh, 13, probably almost 14.

Joe Rogan 1:03:27 How old's Buzz?

Anthony Cumia 1:03:28 Buzz was 19.

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 Oh my God.

Anthony Cumia 1:03:31 Yeah, yeah, the older woman.

Joe Rogan 1:03:32 She's reckless.

Anthony Cumia 1:03:33 Oh, totally reckless.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 1:03:35 They called her Buzz. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 How much does Buzz weigh at the time?

Anthony Cumia 1:03:39 Buzz was, she was really tall. She was probably six feet tall and she had a proportioned body for a six foot tall girl. Big tits, like, uh, very 70s hips and waist kinda thing.

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 And so you're a boy and this is a woman.

Anthony Cumia 1:03:54 I am a fucking-

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 She's a big woman.

Anthony Cumia 1:03:55 ... skinny little douchebag. Uh, it, it was, you know, like fucking r- riding the Matterhorn, I, I was... But I was, like, into it. I, I, I got into to bed with her and, uh, she starts, like, like, rubbing her hands. And she goes to slide her hand down to, to my dick and, uh, she's like, "Uh, could, could you take your underwear off?" (laughs) I got into bed with my underwear on. I didn't know. What did I know? So I dropped those things. And then, uh, yeah, I learned very quickly at that point. And that is... You could mark it on a graph of when my fucking grades and everything just took a shit-

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 1:04:40 ... right at that point. All I thought about was fucking. I was in junior high. I went to school the next day and I looked at everyone differently. I was just like, "I, uh, these guys don't know what fucking is."

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 Now, how many kids in your class had already had sex?

Anthony Cumia 1:04:57 None.

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 1:04:58 Like, none of them that I knew about.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 1:05:01 Maybe an arrant uncle or two had gotten to them, but-

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 It is funny, like, once that door gets opened.

Anthony Cumia 1:05:05 Oh, that was all I wanted.

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 1:05:07 And then we had, we had continued fucking for almost a year.

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 Wow.

Anthony Cumia 1:05:11 Like, I, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 So she was 20 and you were 14?

Anthony Cumia 1:05:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 That's a reckless lady.

Anthony Cumia 1:05:15 Very reckless. She was... But it was the '70s, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:05:18 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 1:05:18 What the fuck? Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 Pill or no pill?

Anthony Cumia 1:05:21 Oh, I didn't know. I was blowing loads-

Joe Rogan 1:05:22 So you're just shooting them in there?

Anthony Cumia 1:05:23 Uh, constantly.

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 And did she, uh-

Anthony Cumia 1:05:25 Little, Little Anthony loads.

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 Little Anthony loads.

Anthony Cumia 1:05:27 Blowing them in there.

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 Was she concerned with, uh, getting pregnant?

Anthony Cumia 1:05:31 I think she would've just got an abortion.

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 (mouths explosion)

Anthony Cumia 1:05:34 "Hey, why don't you get one of those abortions? My brother got one for his girlfriend once."

Joe Rogan 1:05:38 Is that what you heard?

Anthony Cumia 1:05:39 No, that was from Fast Times at Richmond High.

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 Oh.

Anthony Cumia 1:05:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 I forgot about that.

Anthony Cumia 1:05:43 Yeah. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 "Dude, that was my skull."

Anthony Cumia 1:05:46 "One of those abortions."

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 Mm.

Anthony Cumia 1:05:49 "Hey, yeah, I got tickets. I was, I had tickets for Blue Oyster Cult. Where were you?" Like that guy, he was, like, 40 when they-

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 Fast Times at Richmond High.

Anthony Cumia 1:05:56 ... filmed that movie. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 God.

Anthony Cumia 1:05:58 All those guys were, like, 40 when they filmed that shit. (laughs) I love watching old movies and stuff, especially Twilight Zones and Alfred Hitchcock. It's like, uh, Rod Serling will come on at the beginning and go, "Here's Bub Smith. He's 22 years old." And you look and he's like, this guy's 50. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:15 Yeah, right?

Anthony Cumia 1:06:16 Fuck yeah. And you don't know if they were just lying about the age or that's how a 22-year-old looked back then.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 I think people aged very quickly back then.

Anthony Cumia 1:06:23 Very differently.

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 Yeah, because you look at a 50-year-old man in those days-

Anthony Cumia 1:06:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:27 ... this is pre testosterone replacement.

Anthony Cumia 1:06:30 Yes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:30 That's a big factor.

Anthony Cumia 1:06:31 It is. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 It's a giant factor. You look at, like... I mean, look at Mike Tyson today at 55 years of age.

Anthony Cumia 1:06:37 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 It did, that didn't exist before. That was-

Anthony Cumia 1:06:39 Hell no.

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 ... nonexistent.

Anthony Cumia 1:06:41 Guy's a monster.

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 Yeah, a monster.

Anthony Cumia 1:06:42 And, and, yeah, back then... Like, I remember my grandfather at my age now.

Joe Rogan 1:06:49 Almost dead.

Anthony Cumia 1:06:50 Eh, almost dead.

Joe Rogan 1:06:51 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 1:06:51 He... I'd walk into my grandparents' house. He'd be sitting on a recliner with the Mets game on in front of him. And just like you'd hear, "The son of a bitch." Uh, j- And he was fucking old, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 1:07:05 And that was like-

Joe Rogan 1:07:06 And tired.

Anthony Cumia 1:07:07 Yeah, tired, old-

Joe Rogan 1:07:09 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 1:07:09 ... he'd had it. He just wanted to check out. There was this other aunt we had, Aunt Aletta, her name was.

Joe Rogan 1:07:15 (laughs) Aletta.

Anthony Cumia 1:07:16 Aletta.

Joe Rogan 1:07:16 Do people still call their kids Aletta?

Anthony Cumia 1:07:18 I doubt that's a name.

Joe Rogan 1:07:20 I think that one, that one's done.

Anthony Cumia 1:07:20 Mildred, things like that are just done.

Joe Rogan 1:07:22 Yeah. Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 1:07:22 Mabel. Could you imagine that... Oh-... Mildred.

Joe Rogan 1:07:25 Yeah.

Narrator 1:07:26 Mildred.

Anthony Cumia 1:07:27 Mm, Mabel. I fucking love-

Joe Rogan 1:07:29 Mildred.

Anthony Cumia 1:07:29 ... fuckin'-- you just never hear those names anymore. Yeah, Aletta, she, the only thing I e- have any recollection of her is right when we walked in the door once a year for a holiday, she was in a chair in the corner. And you went over, you gave her a kiss on the cheek, and no one talked to her, no one acknowledged her. She was just there, until one day, she wasn't there, and that was her whole fucking life. And I swear to you, she was probably younger than I am right now. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:57 Wow.

Anthony Cumia 1:07:58 It's so fucked up, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:08:00 It is fucked up, right?

Anthony Cumia 1:08:01 Right?

Joe Rogan 1:08:01 And you know what's really fucked up about the whole testosterone replacement thing is there's a lot of people that get mad-

Anthony Cumia 1:08:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:06 ... that you're doing it.

Anthony Cumia 1:08:06 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:08:07 They don't like it. "Hey, stop that. Stop doing that. Just be normal. Just, just-"

Anthony Cumia 1:08:13 You think it's, again, like a jealousy thing?

Joe Rogan 1:08:15 "... rot. Just go and rot slowly."

Anthony Cumia 1:08:17 People don't wanna... Yeah, yeah, it's just accept it. Accept it.

Joe Rogan 1:08:21 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 1:08:21 Grow old gracefully. Fuck you.

Joe Rogan 1:08:23 I don't know what you're talking about.

Anthony Cumia 1:08:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:25 Yeah. I always said Sylvester Stallone was my canary in the coal mine.

Anthony Cumia 1:08:29 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 I loved watching, watching that guy. He's, like, 80.

Anthony Cumia 1:08:30 Watch, (laughs) watch Slice.

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 Bench pressing and shit, doing squats.

Anthony Cumia 1:08:34 (laughs) "Canary in the coal mine."

Joe Rogan 1:08:35 I'm like, "Keep an eye on him. Keep an eye on him. Looks good."

Anthony Cumia 1:08:37 "See how he's doing over there, fucking..." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:39 "Yeah. He's like 25 years older than me, I'm like keep an eye on him."

Anthony Cumia 1:08:42 "That's a good... Yeah." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:45 (laughs) "See how long you can keep this up."

Anthony Cumia 1:08:47 Dude, there's science, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:08:48 Yeah.

Anthony Cumia 1:08:48 There's fucking science that's, uh, uh, you know but I'm doing-

Joe Rogan 1:08:51 Making us live longer? Lately, I've been doing hyperbaric chamber, uh, sessions.

Anthony Cumia 1:08:55 That Michael Jackson shit.

Joe Rogan 1:08:56 Yeah, well, I didn't remember that it was Michael Jackson shit until yesterday, but yeah. Uh, hyperbaric sessions, there was a, uh, a university in Israel, they did a study that they did 60 hyperbaric treatments over 90 days, and it turned out that it lengthened your telomeres, which is an indication of your biological age, by 20 years. So it-

Anthony Cumia 1:09:16 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 1:09:16 ... reduced your biological age by 20 years. But it's so boring. You lay in this tank for like an hour and a half.

Anthony Cumia 1:09:23 And you're not really feeling anything?

Joe Rogan 1:09:24 No, I just take naps. I just go in there-

Anthony Cumia 1:09:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 ... and take naps for an hour and a half, or I listen to books on tape. And I'm-

Anthony Cumia 1:09:30 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:31 ... I'm trying to see what, what it, wh- I'm 22 sessions in.

Anthony Cumia 1:09:33 What is the actual physical thing that it does to you?

Joe Rogan 1:09:36 That's a good question.

Anthony Cumia 1:09:37 Is it, uh, changing-

Joe Rogan 1:09:38 I don't know.

Anthony Cumia 1:09:38 ... the pressure? The-

Joe Rogan 1:09:39 I, I'm a surface researcher. I re-

Anthony Cumia 1:09:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:41 I get to the surface, I go, "Let's good, let's go."

Anthony Cumia 1:09:44 But Joe Iverson, you're a medical doctor-

Joe Rogan 1:09:45 (laughs)

Anthony Cumia 1:09:45 ... giving advice to young children.

Joe Rogan 1:09:47 I got chastised by Prince Harry today.

Anthony Cumia 1:09:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:49 Prince Harry went in on me.

Anthony Cumia 1:09:50 Prince Harry?

Joe Rogan 1:09:51 (laughs) "Hey, Harry, I can give you some advice too, buddy."

Anthony Cumia 1:09:54 Dude, when I-

Joe Rogan 1:09:55 "Settle down."

Anthony Cumia 1:09:55 ... when I read shit, uh, when people start ragging you about things-

Joe Rogan 1:09:59 I...

Anthony Cumia 1:09:59 ... I'm like, "Don't you know who Joe Rogan is?" Like, first of all, y- you're allowed to give an opinion on anything.

Joe Rogan 1:10:07 Not anymore. I'm too popular.

Anthony Cumia 1:10:08 Not anymore.

Joe Rogan 1:10:09 I've gotten too popular.

Anthony Cumia 1:10:10 Isn't that fucked up?

Joe Rogan 1:10:11 But what happened was the Spotify deal, when people found out how much chizzash I was making-

Anthony Cumia 1:10:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:16 ... then things got weird. Then things like, "You have a responsibility."

Anthony Cumia 1:10:20 "It's gotta be a price if you're gonna be tagged a sellout, dude."

Joe Rogan 1:10:23 Yeah, "You've got a responsibility."

Anthony Cumia 1:10:24 "It's gotta be a price."

Joe Rogan 1:10:25 Well, they also want you to sell out.

Anthony Cumia 1:10:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:26 They, they want you to stop doing what you're doing.

Anthony Cumia 1:10:28 You have a responsibility?

Joe Rogan 1:10:30 Hilarious. I'm a cage-fighting commentator and a dirty comedian.

Anthony Cumia 1:10:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:33 You're coming to me? I used to make people eat animal dicks on TV. You're coming to me for advice?

Anthony Cumia 1:10:37 (laughs) How did that happen?

Joe Rogan 1:10:41 It doesn't make any sense. It just... I have too much-

Anthony Cumia 1:10:44 (groans)

Joe Rogan 1:10:44 ... influence. There's too many people listening.

Anthony Cumia 1:10:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:46 Right? People are gonna be mad that I have you on.

Anthony Cumia 1:10:48 Oh, I know.

Joe Rogan 1:10:48 "You have Anthony Cumia on."

Anthony Cumia 1:10:49 I, I know. "I have my baggage."

Joe Rogan 1:10:50 "Anthony, you're, you're my