Joe Rogan Experience #1664 - Josh Dubin

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Joshua, good to see you.

   3. NANarrator0:16

      Good to see you, my bro.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      (laughs) What's happenin'?

   5. NANarrator0:19

      I'm, uh, I'm just in awe. I love the, the new digs, man. I'm-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      Thank you.

   7. NANarrator0:23

      ... super happy for you, congratulation-

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      It's come together when, if you were here six months ago, it looked pretty shitty.

   9. NANarrator0:28

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       But, uh, Matt Alvarez has kicked some ass. So let's, let's continue this conversation-

   11. NANarrator0:32

       Oh, okay.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       ... 'cause you, you are, you guys were just talking about golf.

   13. NANarrator0:35

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       And you were talking about how you don't want to hate golf, but you enjoy it.

   15. NANarrator0:40

       Yeah, 'cause everybody, it's like an inevitability, which happens, it's happened the one or two times I've played this year, if I hole 12 out of 18, you're like, "I wanna get the fuck outta here. I suck."

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       (laughs) Oh.

   17. NANarrator0:49

       "I'm tired of sucking."

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       That's what it is.

   19. NANarrator0:51

       Let's end this suck.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Have you hired someone to coach you?

   21. NANarrator0:53

       No, no, no, no, I don't wanna get that far yet. That's like, I feel like you're too, you're, you can't come back.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       But wouldn't that-

   23. NANarrator0:59

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       I would imagine that it's like anything else, like if you don't get a coach, then you learn bad habits, and those are hard to break.

   25. NANarrator1:07

       Yes, but I am breaking bad habits I had started with from, like, my whole life of everyone trying to say, like in the four or five times you play, "You're doing this wrong. Keep your head down. We'll watch the ball for you." All that kinda shit.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       Oh.

   27. NANarrator1:19

       I just started swinging the, swinging the club however I wanted to, and the ball was going straight and far. And I was like, "That's the goal of golf, right?" Straight, far. Or at least you know where-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       Do you-

   29. NANarrator1:27

       ... at least you know it's going.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       They were all talking shit about you the other day at barbecue.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Oh, you see how…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      a big puncher, like George Foreman is one of the all-time great punchers, right? A guy who's a big puncher, there's so much consequence to any mistake you make, any time you get close to him. I mean, in the UFC, you saw that with, uh, Francis Ngannou and Stipe Miocic, like when S- when Francis knocked him out to win the title. There's so much, there's so many consequences. Like, you can't fuck up with him, because he hits so hard. Jesus Christ, George is swinging from the fucking bleachers here.

   2. JDJosh Dubin15:26

      Oh, you see how strong, how much stronger he is too?

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:28

      Yeah.

   4. JDJosh Dubin15:28

      He just bulls him back.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      Yeah.

   6. JDJosh Dubin15:31

      Two of the nicest guys, by the way, outside of the ring that you'll ever meet.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:34

      Cooney too?

   8. JDJosh Dubin15:35

      Cooney established a, a pension fund for fighters, right? And, um, he has this organization in New Jersey, and he is ... Gentleman Gerry, very fitting name. Just the nicest guy you'll ever meet.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:51

      Kind of amazing that he never developed a right hand that goes along with his left hook, you know? 'Cause I mean, his left hook was sensational. It was so good. But look at him. He's like 80% lefts. He'll throw a, the occasional right. But look, it's jab, jab, jab, left hook, jab, jab, jab, left hook, left hook, left hook. Look, it's all left hooks. Kinda crazy, right?

   10. JDJosh Dubin16:10

       Well, and he, and he also was, you'll, you'll notice that he was pretty good on his feet, and people missed with him a lot. See that? Little subtle, subtle little moves on the inside.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       Oh, he was a skillful boxer. He just came along when Larry Holmes was the baddest motherfucker on Earth.

   12. JDJosh Dubin16:25

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       And-

   14. JDJosh Dubin16:26

       One of the most underrated fighters ever.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       Yeah. But look how many f- lefts he throws. It's kind of crazy. He's probably, other than Andre, but Andre had a reason for it because of his right shoulder being fucked up. He's probably one of the most left-handed heavy fighters of all time.

   16. JDJosh Dubin16:43

       Yeah. I can't think of another one. You watch, he's probably thrown 30 left hands-

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       Yeah, it's crazy.

   18. JDJosh Dubin16:47

       ... in this round that we're watching.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:49

       It's all lefts. I mean, he was known for it.

   20. JDJosh Dubin16:52

       It was a jab and then a hook.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JDJosh Dubin16:54

       Or two jabs and two hooks.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:55

       And even in these exchanges, like everything is coming from the left side, everything. The right side, it just seems like, you know, he's like, l- m- way less effective, way less confident. But I, I'd, I never understand that unless there's an injury. Like, why wouldn't a fighter de- ... I mean, he's a professional boxer. Why wouldn't he develop a wicked right hand? Like, how does a guy just have one ... Oh, there it is.

   24. JDJosh Dubin17:17

       Oi, oi, oh, oi.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       That was a wrap. George Foreman with that fucking tremendous power.

   26. JDJosh Dubin17:28

       Talk about reverence. I could never... I don't care if they're 110-pounders, I can never be critical, even in a casual conversation of a fighter. I just can't. They're the ... I don't care what sport it is.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:41

       You mean, in terms of like their performance and their ability?

   28. JDJosh Dubin17:43

       Yeah, just because-

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:45

       Yeah.

   30. JDJosh Dubin17:45

       ... I just feel like ... And I don't wanna unearth anything, but hearing guys like Stephen A. Smith or Mauro or any of these guys that are like, don't have any experience fighting, period.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Well, if you look…

   1. JDJosh Dubin30:00

      that this guy would make it as far as he's, has, uh, this far and then develop the right hand, he knows, he knows that his balance is improved, he's got that one, what he had to do to improve it is widen that stance so wide that his back foot is so far behind him. He can't really do anything about that because his balance will get all fucked up again. But a guy that, you know, there's something to be said about a guy that says, "All right, this is my moneymaker, and I'm just gonna figure out how to..."... dance around, stay in the fight, figure out when I can unload it. I mean, that's, to me, I marvel at that. I think it's just, it's extraordinary to see.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:38

      Well, if you look at i- his career on paper, he's the most extraordinary knockout artist in the history of the heavyweight division.

   3. JDJosh Dubin30:44

      Yeah, yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:45

      No one has had a record like his.

   5. JDJosh Dubin30:46

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:47

      He literally has only won one fight by decision.

   7. JDJosh Dubin30:50

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:50

      The Stiverne fight.

   9. JDJosh Dubin30:51

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       That's it. Every other dude he beat went night-night.

   11. JDJosh Dubin30:55

       Watch this. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       That's crazy.

   13. JDJosh Dubin30:56

       That's so... (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       That's crazy.

   15. JDJosh Dubin30:58

       James Prince calls me one day, and he's like, "This guy Bermane Stiverne wants us to represent him and negotiate his rematch against Wilder." And I said to Jay, "You sure we wanna do that? Because this guy went the distance." (laughs) So the problem was that Stiverne was represented by Don King. So, you know, we had done so much business with Don, and Don kind of knew not to... We had like an unspoken understanding that you can't fuck around too much with us. I had been involved suing Don, James had been involved suing Don over the years. So we had this one meeting before the fight where we're in a hotel room in Brooklyn, where Don is trying to grind down Stiverne's purse. (laughs) And he finally, he f- we finally negotiated these terms, and Don kept on bringing up, "Well, if he wins the fight, and if he wins the fight..." (laughs) And we were all looking at each other, and I think the three of us looked at each other and burst out laughing at the same time-

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       (laughs)

   17. JDJosh Dubin32:00

       ... 'cause we knew we were all... L- You know, Stiverne's a big, strong guy. He came out in the rematch, and Wilder was like, "This is the one guy that I went the distance with." He blew him out-

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:12

       Yeah.

   19. JDJosh Dubin32:12

       ... in the first round, in, in a way that I was like, "This guy is gonna get hurt. Stay down." You know?

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:18

       It was a wild first round too. Like, he threw everything behind those punches.

   21. JDJosh Dubin32:23

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:24

       Like, pull that up.

   23. NANarrator32:25

       That was already going up.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:26

       'Cause it's... The way he knocked him out was so ridiculous. Like, look at that-

   25. NANarrator32:30

       Boy!

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:30

       Look at s- Look at that one-two. I mean, come on, son.

   27. JDJosh Dubin32:33

       And then watch this.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:34

       Look at this. Boom! I mean, come on. Do just show that again. That one-two's insane. Look at this. Boom!

   29. JDJosh Dubin32:41

       I think he gets up, if I remember.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:43

       Yeah, he got up. He got up, but he was fucked.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      up?

   2. JDJosh Dubin45:01

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      Look at you, you're looking away-

   4. JDJosh Dubin45:02

      I know (laughs) .

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      ... you're like the worst poker player ever. He's like, "Well, maybe. Maybe a little bit."

   6. JDJosh Dubin45:06

      Well, well, I just know, I know, I know. Look, that's my brother. I mean, I know that he's, like...

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      Has he thought about it?

   8. JDJosh Dubin45:14

      That, that... He's, he's thought about it.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      You know-

   10. JDJosh Dubin45:16

       He's thought about it. He, he's thought about it and be, like, "We've talked about it recently, and-"

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:21

       I te- I texted him, uh, after he, uh, announced that he wasn't gonna take the Canelo fight and retire, and I said, "I admire him so much and I admire the way he carries himself so much." And I think it's so valuable for the sport of boxing, 'cause here's a guy who wins an Olympic gold medal, wins two world titles in two different weight classes. He's undefeated. Not only undefeated, but fought the majority of his fight with, o- of his career, rather, with one arm. Retires undefeated, and then says, "You know what? That's it. I'm, I'm... I will best serve boxing as a commentator and as a representative." And that's what he decides to do. And he's so eloquent and so composed and he's such a, a great spokesman for boxing and such a great commentator. Like, I love the fact that he got out with all his marbles, got out with plenty of money, got out with his health. Good.

   12. JDJosh Dubin46:07

       He's, y- you know, here's the thing about Andre too. Uh, when you get to know him, he is... There's a reason why you have respect for him in those ways and others, because you've gotten to know him a little bit. He's, he is a, um, a once-in-a-lifetime streaking comet of a human being. And, and I say that not because of what he accomplished as a fighter, but if you look at his childhood and, you know, uh, his... He's been out there about the fact that his, his mother and father struggled with addictions, um, his father dies suddenly, and he had every reason to go in a completely opposite direction. When you... He is like a brother to me in so many ways, but it's... You know, I'll spend hours on the phone with him just talking about life and existence. And everything that you've said about... He, he's the rare instance of a human being that has pub-... What's projected about him publicly, um, is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of how r- how, um... Yeah. I, I get emotional thinking about him because he's so, he's so important to me as a human being. And if you look at his family, he, he's a guy that m- all his dreams came true, and to one child to the next, his... Everybody that he touches, he has that impact on. He's, and he's, you know, a guy that when he makes mistakes, he'll admit his mistakes. And we're both stubborn and have our ups and downs, but I, I could not be happier to be associated with him. And you're right, a lot of money was put on the table, um, for him to fight Canelo, and we still get, James and I still get asked about it. And he just, he has that sticktoit-ness.

   13. JRJoe Rogan47:59

       But why would he be willing to fight Jake Paul, then?

   14. JDJosh Dubin48:02

       Because I think it's... In his mind, it's an exhibition, and I don't think that he, um, looks at it as even a remote threat that it could tarnish his legacy or that he would have to expend too much physically. I think that he probably is sitting back looking at this and like, "You know what? I could now secure not just my children's, but my great-grandchildren's (laughs) futures."

   15. JRJoe Rogan48:29

       (laughs)

   16. JDJosh Dubin48:29

       "And I could..." You know, I think that there's a part of Andre if you know him well, everything that I've set aside, oh, he's got some dog up in him. You heard... If you ever watch his fights, if he gets hit, he, you'll see him, "Now I'm gonna get you four times." You know, he is a mean SOB in the ring. And I think that there's a part of him that sees this and is like, "These guys need to be put in their place, and I could do it pretty easily."

   17. JRJoe Rogan48:56

       But do you think that Jake Paul would be willing to fight a guy like Andre Ward, Olympic gold medalist, multiple-division world champion, undefeated fighter-

   18. JDJosh Dubin49:04

       No.

   19. JRJoe Rogan49:04

       ... who's still young?

   20. JDJosh Dubin49:05

       No.

   21. JRJoe Rogan49:06

       I mean, what, how old is Andre, 35?

   22. JDJosh Dubin49:08

       Yeah, just turned 35.

   23. JRJoe Rogan49:09

       Yeah.

   24. JDJosh Dubin49:09

       36, 36.

   25. JRJoe Rogan49:10

       He's still in the prime of his athletic career or close to it, close enough to it.

   26. JDJosh Dubin49:14

       But he's a little, he's a little banged up physically. He basically, y-

   27. JRJoe Rogan49:18

       ... you know, he- You trying to sell this fight?

   28. JDJosh Dubin49:20

       No.

   29. JRJoe Rogan49:21

       That's what it seems like to me.

   30. JDJosh Dubin49:22

       Not trying to sell.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:11:51

   See if you can…

   1. JDJosh Dubin1:00:00

      a, a tremendous athlete. Great kid. I know him since he's like 15, 16 years old in New York.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      See if you can find that clips of, uh, Canelo defense Danny Jacobs 'cause it's fucking incredible. It's, it's ... When you know how good Danny Jacobs is and you know how this is a big fight-

   3. JDJosh Dubin1:00:15

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

      ... and a lot of people thought Danny had a chance. He's a big guy for the division, power puncher.

   5. JDJosh Dubin1:00:20

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

      Real elite boxer, world-class skills, and you see him ... And it was a good, good fight. Still a good fight.

   7. JDJosh Dubin1:00:26

      Yeah, it was a good fight. And you think about what that guy's overcome.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:29

      Yeah. Yeah. Cancer.

   9. JDJosh Dubin1:00:30

      You know, stage, stage three or four cancer. Like a tumor wrapped around-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       What kind of cancer did he have?

   11. JDJosh Dubin1:00:36

       It was like, uh, some sort of bone cancer, I believe.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

       Jesus Christ.

   13. JDJosh Dubin1:00:39

       Blood cancer.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       I mean, look at that. I mean, look-

   15. JDJosh Dubin1:00:43

       Oh.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       ... at his fucking head movement. I mean, it's just so-

   17. JDJosh Dubin1:00:45

       One, two.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       ... smooth. Three, four.

   19. JDJosh Dubin1:00:47

       It's incredible. It's incredible. Six, seven, eight.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       And he's doing it so efficiently, right?

   21. JDJosh Dubin1:00:51

       Look, right in front of him.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       And his feet are always in proper position. I mean, it's really amazing. He also ... You know, the Golovkin fights I think taught him a lot about how to stand in front of a power puncher. He was so much better in the second fight than he was the first fight. I think in the first fight Golovkin got robbed. I really do. I, I've watched that fight a few times.

   23. JDJosh Dubin1:01:09

       Yeah, I thought Go- I thought Golovkin won that fight.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:11

       I thought he won that fight. But I mean this-

   25. JDJosh Dubin1:01:13

       Now, I-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

       This fight's incredible. Just fucking defense is phenomenal, man. I mean-

   27. JDJosh Dubin1:01:19

       He l- he literally can't land a punch on him.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

       It's, it's nuts. But it's also ... He's, he's doing it from like right in front of him.

   29. JDJosh Dubin1:01:25

       Yeah, that's that in the pocket stuff.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

       Yeah. He knows where everything is coming from. It's just incredible.... I mean, who- who's better than this guy? Fucking nobody. You know what I watched, uh, today that's pretty goddamn impressive that I forgot? On, uh, it was sh-, uh, Oscar De La Hoya's, uh, Instagram page. It's his fight with Julio Cesar Chavez.

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