Joe Rogan Experience #1667 - Annie Lederman

Annie Lederman is a standup comedian, host of the "Meanspiration" podcast, and look for her new merch at AnnieLederman.com

Joe RoganhostAnnie LedermanguestJamie Vernonguest

Jun 27, 20243h 1mWatch on YouTube ↗

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0:00 – 3:17
Matching shirts, midriff confidence, and Jamie’s long-hair “intervention”
1. JRJoe Rogan
  (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
2. NANarrator
  The Joe Rogan Experience.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What are the odds that you and I are wearing the same shirt?
4. ALAnnie Lederman
  It's so weird. And it's a shirt I drew and I'm putting up on my website to sell.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, I just don't have the midriff show.
6. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Did you trim that yourself?
8. ALAnnie Lederman
  Well, I should have, I did trim it myself. I cut all my shirts.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow. All of them?
10. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah. I had a girl come up to me who was very skinny, who goes, "You've really given me, like, a lot of inspiration, like, how you'll just wear a midriff no matter what." And I was like, "Oh my God, bitch." (laughs)
11. JRJoe Rogan
  What does, what does that mean? (laughs) What else?
12. ALAnnie Lederman
  I was like, I was like, but yeah, I like to ... I'm loud and proud muffin topping around this town, baby.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow, you don't give a fuck.
14. ALAnnie Lederman
  No.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Good for you.
16. ALAnnie Lederman
  I like cropping it. I think they land weird. I have hips, you know, so they land-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
18. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... weird on my hips. They get tight on my hips, so I just crop that bitch.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Huh.
20. ALAnnie Lederman
  Wear it, hoist my, my sweatpants up high. I-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Which is what you wear most of the time, right?
22. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yes. When I came to Austin last time, by the way, nobody warned me.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  About?
24. ALAnnie Lederman
  About the fucking swamp ass situation here.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
26. ALAnnie Lederman
  I was wearing, I was wearing sweatpants. All I have is sweatpants. I, listen, I, I gained a little weight over COVID, loud and proud, I don't give a shit. But, I'm, I refuse to buy new clothes, so I'm a size four till the seams pop.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't know what that is. Is that a lot?
28. ALAnnie Lederman
  Like, a size four is like-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  What's Jamie?
30. ALAnnie Lederman
  Jamie, if he was a girl, would be a size like eight.
3:17 – 4:59
Pandemic weight gain, pho obsession, and LA vs. Austin food culture
1. ALAnnie Lederman
  It also... I'm happy, listen, I gained weight because I wasn't giving a fucking shit over this damn pandemic, so.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, I think it's 'cause you ate a lot of food.
3. ALAnnie Lederman
  I did eat a lot of food.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  I'm thinking that ain't good too.
5. ALAnnie Lederman
  I was... You know, I was eating a lot of noodles.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Ah, that'll do it.
7. ALAnnie Lederman
  I got into... My boyfriend is, um, half Asian. I got into a lot of the, the cuisine.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Ah. What kind of food?
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  A lot of pho.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  I mean, he actually didn't, it was just me.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  I like how you said it right.
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  Pho? Of course.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Most people are all pho.
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  I know. But pho does sound upsetting. It took me many years to-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  It's weird. I don't say it.
17. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... to say it correct.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  I never said it.
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  What do you say? You say foe?
20. JRJoe Rogan
  I mean, I just don't say it.
21. ALAnnie Lederman
  You just say, "Can I have those noodles?"
22. JRJoe Rogan
  I wait for my family to want to order it.
23. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
24. JRJoe Rogan
  And then I go, "Yeah, we'll eat that."
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
26. JRJoe Rogan
  My kids love it. They're like, "Pho."
27. ALAnnie Lederman
  But I, I always thought like it's rice, it's not like regular noodles, so you kinda convince yourself. But then, you know, it's about this much.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Fucking big ass bowls of stuff.
29. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  There's a great place in Woodland Hills we used to go to. Oh my God, it was sensational.
4:59 – 6:28
Austin barbecue deep dive: Terry Black’s lines, pit tours, and brisket craft
1. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah, I've only eaten, I went to, what was the barbecue place I went to?
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Did you have Terry Black's?
3. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yes, I went to Terry Black's. That was the first place I went to, it was-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  You don't need to go anywhere else.
5. ALAnnie Lederman
  It was so good.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Everywhere else, there's places that are as good, like Franklin's and La Barbecue, and there's some killer places, but they don't get better.
7. ALAnnie Lederman
  It-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  It's not possible.
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah. It was great.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  It's possible.
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  It was so good. It was fast, it was easy.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, you do, go through the, uh...
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  Mm-hmm.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  But we fucked it up by talking about it too much.
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  Said I was okay.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause they were there as a giant ass fucking line.
17. ALAnnie Lederman
  Well, I, when I went there, there, it seemed like a really big line. The parking lot was full and it still went fast, so I was like, "All right."
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's a cafeteria style.
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  And they're on the ball, chop, chop, chop.
21. ALAnnie Lederman
  Do you do cafeteria when you go?
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, you gotta.
23. ALAnnie Lederman
  Are people like hovering around you?
24. JRJoe Rogan
  You can... Sometimes when it's too crazy, they'll, they'll just bring us over what we want. But yeah, I like going in line.
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  I like doing the thing.
27. ALAnnie Lederman
  I didn't get to do a pit tour, I like doing the pit tour.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, the pit tours the shit. They make their pits themselves. They use propane tanks.
29. ALAnnie Lederman
  That's cool.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  They have someone weld them and shit.
6:28 – 7:53
Bone marrow, ‘Fear Factor’ mental games, and old-school stunt comedy stories
1. ALAnnie Lederman
  Really good. All the different sauces. I went there. I went to another place that had, like, tapas. I had some bone marrow, which I've decided I hate. I never have d- been able to decide whether I'm disgusted by bone marrow or I like it. I hate it. (laughs)
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Bone marrow on garlic bread at a restaurant in town called Red Ash is fucking sensational.
3. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Don't you laugh. I'm telling you-
5. ALAnnie Lederman
  I'm not laughing. I'm just saying it's one of those things, it feels like I'm on Fear Factor, honestly.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Feels like a trauma?
7. ALAnnie Lederman
  Every time I eat it, I'm like, "It's mental. It's mental. It's mental." I'm smearing that shit. I'm scraping it off the bone, which y- you're not gonna eat it when it's not on the bone. Y- Yeah, it has to come out on the bone.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  So, you can't pretend it's not coming from where it's coming from.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. Yeah, that's true.
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  And it's just that-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  And you wanna get it clean, like, right when it comes outta the oven, too.
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  Mm-hmm. Yeah, when it's still, like ... And I, and I take a couple bites and I go, "I think I like this," and then I'm, like, kinda gagging.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. I don't think it's everybody's thing.
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah. I've tried. I'll try again.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  I love it.
17. ALAnnie Lederman
  I like to try things. Like, if anyone brings me any weird thing, I like to try it. I used to, before I knew you, I used to, um, pretend I was on Fear F- I'd be like-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  I'd, like, take a thing and be like, "All right." (laughs) "Take a bite." (laughs)
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Here we go.
21. ALAnnie Lederman
  Here we go. I watched an episode recently. I told you that, right?
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Did you?
23. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah? So-
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  I watched, like, a couples episode. It was like Couples Championships, they came back, and you had married a couple. You had gotten ... You were ordained and married this couple.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. They were, uh, from Dallas.
27. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah?
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Nice folks.
29. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Wonder if they're still together.
7:53 – 11:03
Marriage as an institution: weddings, vows, and comedian-level cringe tolerance
1. ALAnnie Lederman
  I mean, I hope they're still together, but y- you know, with these marriage rates, I, I, I can't.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, what is it? Like, it's not even 50%, I don't think, right? That make it?
3. ALAnnie Lederman
  I don't know. Are people even getting married anymore?
4. JRJoe Rogan
  No, they quit. Everybody quit. (laughs)
5. ALAnnie Lederman
  They did? (laughs)
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, people get married. I think that it's gonna be around forever.
7. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't, I don't think they're gonna stop getting married. You know, when, when people have children and you want to protect and keep everything together-
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  Mm-hmm.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and l- lock it down, that's when it makes sense, you know?
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  It seems like a crazy institution, though, you know, like, getting other people involved in your relationship.
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  Well, the wedding is so weird 'cause the wedding is like, you're calling all of your, your closest family and friends to, like, like, hold you accountable for this promise you made. Like, everyone's there, like, "You promised. You promised."
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Is that what it is? I thought it was, like, to celebrate.
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Listen to how you look at it. You look at it in a terrible way. (laughs)
17. ALAnnie Lederman
  I guess I feel, like, really embarrassed, like, sharing, like, my deepest heart in front of everyone. I don't know, that seems, like, very vulnerable.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Your deepest heart?
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  Well, if I'm, like, up there and I'm like, "You complete me," or whatever I'm saying-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
21. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... that I mean, but I don't know. I guess it's ... I feel different. I feel like I'm growing.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  We did a non-religious wedding, and the lady was very nice, but she had the corniest fucking vows that sh- You know the thing that they do?
23. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  "Your love is two streams that will become a mighty river."
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
26. JRJoe Rogan
  I'm like, "Oh, my God."
27. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, as a comedian-
29. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
30. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you know, like, to sit there and listen to that and not mock it?
11:03 – 12:44
Heat in the studio and sweating on stage: bombing signals, makeup, and discomfort
1. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... how cool it is that there's shooting stars in your fucking sky?
2. JRJoe Rogan
  That's pretty dope, right? Y- How cool is it that it's 180 degrees in this room?
3. ALAnnie Lederman
  I'm sweating so much.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Sweating.
5. ALAnnie Lederman
  I'm so glad I chose black shirts.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Something happened to our AC over the last couple days, apparently.
7. ALAnnie Lederman
  You'd think a guy with a ponytail would really wanna keep it cool in here.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  I know. That's what I'm saying. I think that's the guy- It's not his- ... who made it. He has a ponytail, too. Yeah. He has a ponytail, too. So, don't blame me. That's true.
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, i- it's not even his fault. It's obviously one of our units is fucking up, but that's a common thing here. We were at the Creek in the Cave the other night and it was fucking sweating, like, dripping into my eyes on stage.
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  And it's hard. I've said this before. When you're on stage and you start to sweat, that's a symptom of bombing and it's hard to ... My body goes into, like, save yourself mode when I start sweating and it's like-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, you're not comfortable.
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah, and I'm like-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  You have to be comfortable on stage.
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  You're pull ... Like, my ... I can't see.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, with you, too, you got eye makeup, so it's like that shit's gonna get in your eyes. I remember one time-
17. ALAnnie Lederman
  I'm actually don't wear makeup. This is what I wake up as.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Crazy.
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  I'm so pretty.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  You are so pretty for, like-
21. ALAnnie Lederman
  I just wake up like this.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  ... natural. I remember one time I came straight from Fear Factor and I had sunscreen on-
23. ALAnnie Lederman
  Oh.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and I didn't realize I had sunscreen on.
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  Mm-hmm.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  And I'm on stage, and I sweat, and the sweat got in my eye, and then I was in pain. So, I was g- I was trying to do my act, like-
27. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  ... while my eyes were tearing up.
29. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... that's terrible. I also f- that's why I can't surf.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, saltwater.
12:44 – 15:28
Waco, cult history, and the surreal wave pool surf park
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, you know, in Texas, there's a place down in Waco where it's, uh, an indoor surf place.
2. ALAnnie Lederman
  I know about Waco.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh, yeah, that's a different thing that that's...
4. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
5. JRJoe Rogan
  They, they don't like to talk about that anymore.
6. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs) It's very gross.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Now it's like a home im- a home improvement spot.
8. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you know that? Like, there's a family that-
10. ALAnnie Lederman
  They're really good at punch, putting up holes?
11. JRJoe Rogan
  No, there's like a famous family that, like, settled in Waco. They're on, like, one of them fix 'em up TV shows.
12. ALAnnie Lederman
  Oh, the couple...
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
14. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah. The Fixer Upper couple.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
16. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, um, that's, that's Waco now.
18. ALAnnie Lederman
  That's the new, that's new Waco. Okay.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  That's like everybody's in that... But in Waco there's a, um, a, uh-
20. ALAnnie Lederman
  Waco's not very woke-o if they're pretending that thing didn't happen.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, I don't think-
22. ALAnnie Lederman
  You know you're gonna have more of these jokes. (laughs)
23. NANarrator
  (laughs)
24. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't think it's that they're pretending it didn't happen, I just think they don't talk about it that much.
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  I guess you don't need to.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, I mean, uh, everybody knows-
27. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
28. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you know, the FBI lit those fucking people on fire or whatever, whatever.
29. ALAnnie Lederman
  I know, it's like their home improvement.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
15:28 – 27:44
Jiu-jitsu after COVID: hygiene reality, training intensity, and mindset improvements
1. ALAnnie Lederman
  I have not done jujits-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  This is like you have training.
3. ALAnnie Lederman
  I have not done jujitsu since before the pandemic. I am now so grossed out. I was thinking about all the ball sweat, I was thinking about the smell of the-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Ball sweat?
5. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yes, the smell of...
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Men?
7. ALAnnie Lederman
  And listen, I'm no, I'm not Mr. Clean over here, I got my own smells going on.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) You smell great.
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  In fact, when I would go to-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  When I hugged you, I was impressed.
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
12. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  When I would go into class, when I would go into 10th plane, I would go to whoever my partner was, I go, "I did yoga before this, so I'm sorry or thank you, whichever," or, "I'm sorry or welcome, whichever you're into, I'm not sure what you like." But-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Now, you would go yoga and then straight into jujitsu?
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  Well, I would try to wash off a little bit.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  But that's crazy.
17. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  That's a lot of exercise.
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  Oh, I was ripped. Before I was doing-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Bro. Bro.
21. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... I was not like... Well, I wasn't ripped, but I was-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  You're shredded.
23. ALAnnie Lederman
  I was pretty good before the pandemic and then-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  That's a lot of exercise in one day though-
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  ... is what I'm saying.
27. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah, I would do that, and then I had a meditation class I would go to.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Damn, look at you. Centered.
29. ALAnnie Lederman
  And I was still fucking psycho, dude. I was way more psycho then than I am now.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Really?
27:44 – 43:36
Lockdowns, small businesses, and the corporate advantage debate (then: Adderall talk)
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I was watching this thing today, I was reading this thing today. 37% of all small businesses in America are gone for good. That's fucking crazy.
2. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  And it's like the, how the fuck do they ever come back? If they do. Imagine if you worked for 30 years of your life for something and you built it up and, you know, you're getting by and you're doing well and, you know-
4. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you're making a good living and then all of a sudden (snaps fingers) it's gone.
6. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah. But you know what? Life is unpredictable and we gotta just take it-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. But this is-
8. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... figure it out.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... because of regulations. This isn't really unpredictable. This is-
10. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah, but-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  This is just foolishness-
12. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... because Walgreens was open.
14. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, Target was open.
16. ALAnnie Lederman
  I know Target was open.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  All these different places were open and they told small businesses-
18. ALAnnie Lederman
  It is really weird, yeah.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... they couldn't be open. It's not really weird. It's idiotic.
20. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  And there's a lot of people that think that... I don't wanna get into it.
22. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
23. JRJoe Rogan
  It's, it's, it's people that think that it's like a, an effort-
24. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that, that it was on purpose and that like they recognize that this is an opportunity to get rid of these small businesses and build up-
26. ALAnnie Lederman
  Oh, really?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... these bigger businesses. Yeah.
28. ALAnnie Lederman
  Oh.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  That's what the, the most cynical and conspiracy minded amongst us think. They think that they recognize this as an attack on small businesses-
30. ALAnnie Lederman
  Oh.
43:36 – 44:32
Back on the road: green-room boundaries, touring strategy, and early career milestones
1. JRJoe Rogan
  So, you're back in, in doing shows?
2. ALAnnie Lederman
  I'm doing shows. I'm having the most fun-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  You're on the road.
4. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... on the road.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
6. ALAnnie Lederman
  I'm on the road. You can check out my tour dates. I'm gonna-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you bring anybody with you, or do you go?
8. ALAnnie Lederman
  I'm trying to find the right person to bring with me.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
10. ALAnnie Lederman
  'Cause it's such a vibe, right? Like, it's ... You need someone that's-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
12. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... like cool to hang out with that knows boundaries, like if I don't wanna hang out too much or-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
14. ALAnnie Lederman
  'Cause I found like the couple of gigs that I've done, even though my openers are really nice, I'm, there's a ... I, I can't handle that, the questions, the energy. It's like something I'm not interested in doing.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Sometimes it's rough when you're trying to get ready for a show-
16. ALAnnie Lederman
  Mm-hmm.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and they wanna talk to you about stuff-
18. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and they ask questions and you're writing notes. And you're like, "Hey, man."
20. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah. I don't wanna be rude but ... And it's like, I'm, I don't wanna be one of those people that's like, "No one's allowed in the green room," but it's like no one's allowed in the green room. I can't ... Unless, you know, I find the right person.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, the worst is when they bring friends.
22. ALAnnie Lederman
  Mm-hmm.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, you have an opening act and they bring three friends-
24. ALAnnie Lederman
  Mm-hmm.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  ... in the green room, and you're like ... And they start taking pictures. And you're like, "Hey, hey, hey."
26. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  "What are we doing here? This is work."
28. ALAnnie Lederman
  I know. And it's always of my feet. I'm like, "Those can't get out." Um-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh. Don't you pixelate them all?
30. ALAnnie Lederman
  I do. I've been pixelating.
44:32 – 48:58
Big gigs and full-circle moments: headlining Carolines and comedy in an NFL stadium
1. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs) So, I, um, I'm doing two, like really incredible shows that I'm really excited about. I'm doing ... My main tour is gonna start in the fall, but I'm doing like ... I have a bunch of shows. I'm going all over the place.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  You're doing-
3. ALAnnie Lederman
  So, go to my website.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  L- are you trying to do like small places? You're trying to do like-
5. ALAnnie Lederman
  I'm doing clubs and then I'm doing like Carolines, which was where I first started.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
7. ALAnnie Lederman
  Where I-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Those were your first?
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  It wasn't my first spot, but it was my first weekend. I worked with Jim Norton, was my first, um, weekend working.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, that's nice.
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  It was so fun. And I did their March Madness Contest, where I like waited in line like it was Last Comic Standing, you know.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  And I did one minute in front of Louis and I got passed on to the next round, and I got really far. And that was like very early in my career. And then they kept my, my stuff, and then Norton wanted to ... Likes to have a female opener so it like balances-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... his act. And so he picked me, and I, I opened for him, and then I would ... Went on the road with him for about a year or two.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  That's awesome.
17. ALAnnie Lederman
  And learned so much. But I'm finally ... I'm going back to headline for the first time-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Ooh.
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... in August. I'm so excited.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  That's your first time ever headlining Carolines?
21. ALAnnie Lederman
  Carolines, yeah.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
23. ALAnnie Lederman
  So, it's like this weird full circle. I'm just having this-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  That's nice.
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... such a good time coming back. I'm going to all these different places. My, my thing will be coming out. I'm also doing a show for The Eagles. Not the band.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  The Eagles the band?
27. ALAnnie Lederman
  No, not the band.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  No. Philadelphia?
29. ALAnnie Lederman
  Where I'm from. So, I'm going back to Philadelphia at the Lincoln Financial Field. I'm doing the stadium-
30. JRJoe Rogan
  What?
48:58 – 58:11
Self-love, accountability, and subconscious reprogramming (coaching, visualization, ‘pronoia’)
1. ALAnnie Lederman
  If I work on like loving myself, and guys, get ready. Can you do like a fake tear?
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Do you love yourself?
3. ALAnnie Lederman
  I very much do, and I did not before.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
5. ALAnnie Lederman
  I didn't realize that-
6. JRJoe Rogan
  When did it start?
7. ALAnnie Lederman
  You know ...... over this, this pandemic, I really-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  You didn't love yourself before the pandemic?
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  I mean, I liked myself, but I was, I was really mad at myself. I was, like, being hard on myself.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  For real?
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  In what way?
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  I just-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, what, what was bothering you?
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  I think that I just had this subconscious belief that I was just bad. It was just from childhood, it just, like, this message that I got as a kid that I-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
17. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... how I perceived-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
19. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... how I was treated or something.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
21. ALAnnie Lederman
  And I just clung to that. And I look at everything, like the way I wasn't making money, the way I was like, I felt so like I needed things, you know? And it, it was because it was low self-esteem.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, here's what's important. That's most of us.
23. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  That's most of us. Even me.
25. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, that was me for a long time.
27. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Most of us feel in- inadequate, and then when you become successful, um, we... A lot of us have imposter syndrome.
29. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, when things start doing well, and even though you know you've worked hard-
58:11 – 59:22
Family joy: surprising her nieces—accidentally as a ‘tiger’—and feeling genuinely good
1. ALAnnie Lederman
  But I feel really... Yeah, I just feel really good. I had a really-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Awesome.
3. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... amazing time with my family this weekend. I posted a video of... I always surprise my nieces. I don't know if you've seen it on my Instagram.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
5. ALAnnie Lederman
  I'm always, like, popping out of boxes or something.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
7. ALAnnie Lederman
  But I hadn't seen them in a year and a half.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Aw.
9. ALAnnie Lederman
  So my brother and I made this video. Do you want... Would you play it, Jamie? It's on my Instagram. You're gonna die 'cause you're gonna laugh. There's some things I wanna talk to you about what I did not think through. So when we did this, I was like, um... They hadn't seen me in so long. I was like, "I'll wear my leopard print jacket to help them, like, so they know it's me ahead of time 'cause they know me by it."
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, right.
11. ALAnnie Lederman
  But look what happened instead.
12. JVJamie Vernon
  Move it back to, like, where it goes. (screaming)
13. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs) She thought I was a fucking tiger.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, no.
15. ALAnnie Lederman
  Look at her stance.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, no.
17. ALAnnie Lederman
  Look how she's squared up.
18. JVJamie Vernon
  (screaming)
19. JRJoe Rogan
  But they're excited to see you once they realize-
20. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah, they're so excited. You don't have to-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, that's so cute.
22. ALAnnie Lederman
  They, they then go inside and see my family and stuff, but-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  That's so cute.
24. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... it's just so funny because they go, "We thought you were a tiger." And I didn't even-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, that's hilarious 'cause your jacket-
26. ALAnnie Lederman
  ... think about that. They were at soccer practice, and then they were in the fucking Jungle Book, like-
59:22 – 1:06:31
Texas wildlife chaos: mystery black panther sighting and how exotic animals end up nearby
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, dude, last night, okay?
2. ALAnnie Lederman
  Mm-hmm.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Last night on my security camera, there was a big black cat, like a 60, 70-pound fucking something or another.
4. ALAnnie Lederman
  Oh, my God.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, I don't know what it... See, the thing about Texas is, this is a real issue, there's more tigers in captivity in Texas than all of the wild of the world.
6. ALAnnie Lederman
  Really? Because of, like, rich people wanting-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes, 'cause assholes.
8. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  'Cause people just have a fucking fence, "I want a tiger," and you could just have a tiger here-
10. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... 'cause, 'cause of freedom. Freedom, America.
12. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah, I get it.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Like zebras. Like, my wife saw a zebra once. She was driving down the road, she saw a zebra. I was like, "A fucking zebra?"
14. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Zebras just get out, right? Like, people have zebras, and they just get out sometimes. Well-
16. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
17. JRJoe Rogan
  ... whatever this thing was, it's like a black panther-
18. ALAnnie Lederman
  Can you ride a zebra?
19. JRJoe Rogan
  No, you cannot.
20. ALAnnie Lederman
  Are they short?
21. JRJoe Rogan
  No, they're horse-sized. They're f- It's a fucking horse, a wild horse that cannot be tamed. No one has ever been able to tame a zebra. It's like trying to ride a wolf. Like, get the fuck out of here.
22. ALAnnie Lederman
  I relate. Maybe my spirit animal is a zebra.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Anyway, I'm in the middle of this.
24. ALAnnie Lederman
  Sorry.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Outside of my fucking house-
26. ALAnnie Lederman
  (laughs)
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... there is a, a b- a big black cat-
28. ALAnnie Lederman
  Yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  ... like a black panther.
30. ALAnnie Lederman
  Wow.

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Matching shirts, midriff confidence, and Jamie’s long-hair “intervention”

Pandemic weight gain, pho obsession, and LA vs. Austin food culture

Austin barbecue deep dive: Terry Black’s lines, pit tours, and brisket craft

Bone marrow, ‘Fear Factor’ mental games, and old-school stunt comedy stories

Marriage as an institution: weddings, vows, and comedian-level cringe tolerance

Heat in the studio and sweating on stage: bombing signals, makeup, and discomfort

Waco, cult history, and the surreal wave pool surf park

Jiu-jitsu after COVID: hygiene reality, training intensity, and mindset improvements

Lockdowns, small businesses, and the corporate advantage debate (then: Adderall talk)

Back on the road: green-room boundaries, touring strategy, and early career milestones

Big gigs and full-circle moments: headlining Carolines and comedy in an NFL stadium

Self-love, accountability, and subconscious reprogramming (coaching, visualization, ‘pronoia’)

Family joy: surprising her nieces—accidentally as a ‘tiger’—and feeling genuinely good

Texas wildlife chaos: mystery black panther sighting and how exotic animals end up nearby

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