Joe Rogan Experience #1667 - Annie Lederman

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What are the odds that you and I are wearing the same shirt?

Annie Lederman 0:17 It's so weird. And it's a shirt I drew and I'm putting up on my website to sell.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Yeah, I just don't have the midriff show.

Annie Lederman 0:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:23 Did you trim that yourself?

Annie Lederman 0:23 Well, I should have, I did trim it myself. I cut all my shirts.

Joe Rogan 0:26 Wow. All of them?

Annie Lederman 0:27 Yeah. I had a girl come up to me who was very skinny, who goes, "You've really given me, like, a lot of inspiration, like, how you'll just wear a midriff no matter what." And I was like, "Oh my God, bitch." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:36 What does, what does that mean? (laughs) What else?

Annie Lederman 0:37 I was like, I was like, but yeah, I like to ... I'm loud and proud muffin topping around this town, baby.

Joe Rogan 0:42 Wow, you don't give a fuck.

Annie Lederman 0:43 No.

Joe Rogan 0:44 Good for you.

Annie Lederman 0:45 I like cropping it. I think they land weird. I have hips, you know, so they land-

Joe Rogan 0:48 Mm-hmm.

Annie Lederman 0:48 ... weird on my hips. They get tight on my hips, so I just crop that bitch.

Joe Rogan 0:50 Huh.

Annie Lederman 0:51 Wear it, hoist my, my sweatpants up high. I-

Joe Rogan 0:54 Which is what you wear most of the time, right?

Annie Lederman 0:55 Yes. When I came to Austin last time, by the way, nobody warned me.

Joe Rogan 0:58 About?

Annie Lederman 0:59 About the fucking swamp ass situation here.

Joe Rogan 1:02 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 1:02 I was wearing, I was wearing sweatpants. All I have is sweatpants. I, listen, I, I gained a little weight over COVID, loud and proud, I don't give a shit. But, I'm, I refuse to buy new clothes, so I'm a size four till the seams pop.

Joe Rogan 1:15 I don't know what that is. Is that a lot?

Annie Lederman 1:16 Like, a size four is like-

Joe Rogan 1:18 What's Jamie?

Annie Lederman 1:19 Jamie, if he was a girl, would be a size like eight.

Joe Rogan 1:21 He might be a girl. Why would you not be rude? Look at his hair.

Annie Lederman 1:23 With that hair?

Jamie Vernon 1:24 33.

Joe Rogan 1:24 33?

Annie Lederman 1:24 I know, Jamie. What's going on with the hair?

Jamie Vernon 1:26 Uh.

Joe Rogan 1:27 I'm trying to get him to shave his head. He won't do it.

Jamie Vernon 1:28 I need to find somewhere to cut it is all.

Joe Rogan 1:30 Well it's impossible to find somewhere.

Annie Lederman 1:31 Well, somewhere to cut it is above the ears.

Joe Rogan 1:32 There's no way. No one, no one cuts hair anymore.

Jamie Vernon 1:34 Nah, nah, I haven't...

Joe Rogan 1:35 That's like going to a blacksmith.

Jamie Vernon 1:36 I know.

Annie Lederman 1:37 You have a low pone, which is so upsetting. Like, I, I thought I hated man buns.

Jamie Vernon 1:41 Different sizes, it's just where I put it.

Annie Lederman 1:42 Oh, do you ever do a man bun?

Joe Rogan 1:43 Of course.

Jamie Vernon 1:43 Not up top, no, no.

Joe Rogan 1:44 Sometimes he does look like a samurai.

Annie Lederman 1:45 He should. Give him one of your swords. (laughs) Yeah, Jamie, this is an intervention.

Jamie Vernon 1:50 All right. What's up?

Joe Rogan 1:52 Why didn't you get your hair cut? I don't understand.

Jamie Vernon 1:53 I, I like meant to do it this weekend, I did other stuff instead. I don't know.

Annie Lederman 1:56 I would've been so happy.

Jamie Vernon 1:57 (laughs) It's just like not a priority.

Annie Lederman 1:59 I would have been so honored. Do you ever wear it down? Can you take your hair down for us?

Jamie Vernon 2:02 Yeah, sure.

Joe Rogan 2:03 It's confusing.

Jamie Vernon 2:04 It's long.

Joe Rogan 2:05 I think he's transitioning.

Annie Lederman 2:06 Okay, (laughs) I think he's definitely trans. I wanna do trans watch.

Jamie Vernon 2:08 Very long.

Annie Lederman 2:09 Jam- You look Abraham Lincoln.

Joe Rogan 2:11 You think so? I think he looks like a, like a rock band from the '90s.

Annie Lederman 2:14 Yes you do.

Jamie Vernon 2:16 Well, that's the third time I've had long hair and that was the first time why I had long hair.

Joe Rogan 2:19 When you were in a band?

Jamie Vernon 2:20 In the '90s.

Annie Lederman 2:20 Was this like a COVID reaction?

Jamie Vernon 2:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just couldn't find a barber shop. You couldn't go anywhere.

Joe Rogan 2:25 There's so many barber shops.

Jamie Vernon 2:27 Just let it go.

Joe Rogan 2:27 It's so dumb.

Annie Lederman 2:28 There's like scissors.

Jamie Vernon 2:29 Now there are, but there wasn't then.

Annie Lederman 2:29 I got scissors. I was able to cut this shirt, okay? On, while I was traveling. You can cut that hair.

Joe Rogan 2:34 Is that easier to cut a shirt than hair?

Annie Lederman 2:35 It was actually kinda hard.

Joe Rogan 2:36 I would say it's easier than hair, though, don't you think?

Annie Lederman 2:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:39 I don't think that's a good comparison.

Annie Lederman 2:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:41 I wanna go back to the skinny girl. The skinny girl who's like, that you have such confidence to wear that, like, that's... Girls do shit like that to each other, right?

Annie Lederman 2:49 I like, I, listen, I'm all about, I've been dealing with... I realize I've been really judging a lot of people and wasting my time judging others, so I'm just taking everything people say and I'm just enjoying it, and I laughed my fucking ass off when she said that to me.

Joe Rogan 3:01 Really?

Annie Lederman 3:02 Yes.

Joe Rogan 3:03 Do you know her well?

Annie Lederman 3:05 Not that well, but, but it, enough that I, I, I send her love and light.

Joe Rogan 3:10 Oh, okay.

Annie Lederman 3:11 Like, love and light, cun.

Joe Rogan 3:12 Love and light, cunt. (laughs)

Annie Lederman 3:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:16 That should be your next shirt.

Annie Lederman 3:17 It also... I'm happy, listen, I gained weight because I wasn't giving a fucking shit over this damn pandemic, so.

Joe Rogan 3:22 Well, I think it's 'cause you ate a lot of food.

Annie Lederman 3:24 I did eat a lot of food.

Joe Rogan 3:26 I'm thinking that ain't good too.

Annie Lederman 3:26 I was... You know, I was eating a lot of noodles.

Joe Rogan 3:28 Ah, that'll do it.

Annie Lederman 3:29 I got into... My boyfriend is, um, half Asian. I got into a lot of the, the cuisine.

Joe Rogan 3:34 Ah. What kind of food?

Annie Lederman 3:35 A lot of pho.

Joe Rogan 3:36 Oh.

Annie Lederman 3:36 I mean, he actually didn't, it was just me.

Joe Rogan 3:38 I like how you said it right.

Annie Lederman 3:39 Pho? Of course.

Joe Rogan 3:40 Most people are all pho.

Annie Lederman 3:41 I know. But pho does sound upsetting. It took me many years to-

Joe Rogan 3:44 It's weird. I don't say it.

Annie Lederman 3:45 ... to say it correct.

Joe Rogan 3:46 I never said it.

Annie Lederman 3:46 What do you say? You say foe?

Joe Rogan 3:47 I mean, I just don't say it.

Annie Lederman 3:49 You just say, "Can I have those noodles?"

Joe Rogan 3:50 I wait for my family to want to order it.

Annie Lederman 3:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:52 And then I go, "Yeah, we'll eat that."

Annie Lederman 3:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:54 My kids love it. They're like, "Pho."

Annie Lederman 3:56 But I, I always thought like it's rice, it's not like regular noodles, so you kinda convince yourself. But then, you know, it's about this much.

Joe Rogan 4:03 Fucking big ass bowls of stuff.

Annie Lederman 4:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:05 There's a great place in Woodland Hills we used to go to. Oh my God, it was sensational.

Annie Lederman 4:09 What was it called?

Joe Rogan 4:09 I don't remember, but it was really good.

Annie Lederman 4:11 Ugh, you guys almost got such a good advertisement.

Joe Rogan 4:13 Sorry.

Annie Lederman 4:14 Sorry, you shoulda had a better name.

Joe Rogan 4:16 It was so good.

Annie Lederman 4:16 I go to a place called Absolutely Fauxbulous. And if those pe-

Joe Rogan 4:19 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 4:19 If those people had had a good name like that, that's an on, uh, La Cienega, I love them.

Joe Rogan 4:24 Yeah. That is one thing, um, LA had a real good scene in terms of like variety of food.

Annie Lederman 4:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:31 You know? Actually, for a small city, 'cause Austin's pretty small, there's a lot of variety here. You know, there's a lot, obviously a lot of Tex-Mex, obviously a lot of barbecue.

Annie Lederman 4:42 You're like, "They have so much variety here. They have Tex, they have Mex, it's amazing." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:45 No, but you got, you can get Korean food here, there's a lot of sushi. There's a lot of Japanese, there's Indian food. There's a lot of different... There's, it's a, you know, because it's a college city, you know, there's a lot, all kinds of different folks come here and stay here.

Annie Lederman 4:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:58 You know?

Annie Lederman 4:59 Yeah, I've only eaten, I went to, what was the barbecue place I went to?

Joe Rogan 5:02 Did you have Terry Black's?

Annie Lederman 5:03 Yes, I went to Terry Black's. That was the first place I went to, it was-

Joe Rogan 5:05 You don't need to go anywhere else.

Annie Lederman 5:06 It was so good.

Joe Rogan 5:07 Everywhere else, there's places that are as good, like Franklin's and La Barbecue, and there's some killer places, but they don't get better.

Annie Lederman 5:14 It-

Joe Rogan 5:15 It's not possible.

Annie Lederman 5:16 Yeah. It was great.

Joe Rogan 5:17 It's possible.

Annie Lederman 5:17 It was so good. It was fast, it was easy.

Joe Rogan 5:19 Yeah, you do, go through the, uh...

Annie Lederman 5:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:21 But we fucked it up by talking about it too much.

Annie Lederman 5:23 Said I was okay.

Joe Rogan 5:23 'Cause they were there as a giant ass fucking line.

Annie Lederman 5:26 Well, I, when I went there, there, it seemed like a really big line. The parking lot was full and it still went fast, so I was like, "All right."

Joe Rogan 5:32 Well, it's a cafeteria style.

Annie Lederman 5:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:33 And they're on the ball, chop, chop, chop.

Annie Lederman 5:34 Do you do cafeteria when you go?

Joe Rogan 5:36 Yeah, you gotta.

Annie Lederman 5:37 Are people like hovering around you?

Joe Rogan 5:38 You can... Sometimes when it's too crazy, they'll, they'll just bring us over what we want. But yeah, I like going in line.

Annie Lederman 5:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:44 I like doing the thing.

Annie Lederman 5:45 I didn't get to do a pit tour, I like doing the pit tour.

Joe Rogan 5:47 Oh, the pit tours the shit. They make their pits themselves. They use propane tanks.

Annie Lederman 5:51 That's cool.

Joe Rogan 5:51 They have someone weld them and shit.

Annie Lederman 5:53 Would you ever bring them elk you killed to barbecue at...

Joe Rogan 5:55 Yes, I definitely would. Yeah, but, but, you know, when they barbecue stuff, it's like a 12-hour process. Like, they, they took us on tour of the, the brisket making, and the guy was explaining to me how he does it. He has like a piece of paper and he writes down which, which ones went in at which time.

Annie Lederman 6:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:12 They don't use thermometers. They just know. They just-

Annie Lederman 6:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:15 ... they just kn- know, like, what the temperature of the meat is. They know when it's ready and they know when to wrap it in butcher paper. It's a art, it really is-

Annie Lederman 6:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:22 ... the slow smoking art, offset cooking.

Annie Lederman 6:25 So good.

Joe Rogan 6:25 That's a ... Yeah, it's a real art form.

Annie Lederman 6:26 The fat dripping off.

Joe Rogan 6:28 Mm. Mm.

Annie Lederman 6:28 Really good. All the different sauces. I went there. I went to another place that had, like, tapas. I had some bone marrow, which I've decided I hate. I never have d- been able to decide whether I'm disgusted by bone marrow or I like it. I hate it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:42 Bone marrow on garlic bread at a restaurant in town called Red Ash is fucking sensational.

Annie Lederman 6:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:48 Don't you laugh. I'm telling you-

Annie Lederman 6:49 I'm not laughing. I'm just saying it's one of those things, it feels like I'm on Fear Factor, honestly.

Joe Rogan 6:52 Feels like a trauma?

Annie Lederman 6:52 Every time I eat it, I'm like, "It's mental. It's mental. It's mental." I'm smearing that shit. I'm scraping it off the bone, which y- you're not gonna eat it when it's not on the bone. Y- Yeah, it has to come out on the bone.

Joe Rogan 7:02 Right.

Annie Lederman 7:02 So, you can't pretend it's not coming from where it's coming from.

Joe Rogan 7:04 Right. Yeah, that's true.

Annie Lederman 7:06 And it's just that-

Joe Rogan 7:07 And you wanna get it clean, like, right when it comes outta the oven, too.

Annie Lederman 7:11 Mm-hmm. Yeah, when it's still, like ... And I, and I take a couple bites and I go, "I think I like this," and then I'm, like, kinda gagging.

Joe Rogan 7:16 Yeah. I don't think it's everybody's thing.

Annie Lederman 7:18 Yeah. I've tried. I'll try again.

Joe Rogan 7:20 I love it.

Annie Lederman 7:21 I like to try things. Like, if anyone brings me any weird thing, I like to try it. I used to, before I knew you, I used to, um, pretend I was on Fear F- I'd be like-

Joe Rogan 7:29 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 7:30 I'd, like, take a thing and be like, "All right." (laughs) "Take a bite." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:34 Here we go.

Annie Lederman 7:35 Here we go. I watched an episode recently. I told you that, right?

Joe Rogan 7:37 Did you?

Annie Lederman 7:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:38 Yeah? So-

Annie Lederman 7:38 I watched, like, a couples episode. It was like Couples Championships, they came back, and you had married a couple. You had gotten ... You were ordained and married this couple.

Joe Rogan 7:47 Yeah. They were, uh, from Dallas.

Annie Lederman 7:49 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 7:50 Nice folks.

Annie Lederman 7:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:51 Wonder if they're still together.

Annie Lederman 7:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:52 They were really nice.

Annie Lederman 7:53 I mean, I hope they're still together, but y- you know, with these marriage rates, I, I, I can't.

Joe Rogan 7:57 Well, what is it? Like, it's not even 50%, I don't think, right? That make it?

Annie Lederman 8:01 I don't know. Are people even getting married anymore?

Joe Rogan 8:03 No, they quit. Everybody quit. (laughs)

Annie Lederman 8:09 They did? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:11 Yeah, people get married. I think that it's gonna be around forever.

Annie Lederman 8:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:15 I don't, I don't think they're gonna stop getting married. You know, when, when people have children and you want to protect and keep everything together-

Annie Lederman 8:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:22 ... and l- lock it down, that's when it makes sense, you know?

Annie Lederman 8:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:25 It seems like a crazy institution, though, you know, like, getting other people involved in your relationship.

Annie Lederman 8:30 Well, the wedding is so weird 'cause the wedding is like, you're calling all of your, your closest family and friends to, like, like, hold you accountable for this promise you made. Like, everyone's there, like, "You promised. You promised."

Joe Rogan 8:42 Is that what it is? I thought it was, like, to celebrate.

Annie Lederman 8:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:45 Listen to how you look at it. You look at it in a terrible way. (laughs)

Annie Lederman 8:47 I guess I feel, like, really embarrassed, like, sharing, like, my deepest heart in front of everyone. I don't know, that seems, like, very vulnerable.

Joe Rogan 8:57 Your deepest heart?

Annie Lederman 8:57 Well, if I'm, like, up there and I'm like, "You complete me," or whatever I'm saying-

Joe Rogan 9:00 Mm-hmm.

Annie Lederman 9:00 ... that I mean, but I don't know. I guess it's ... I feel different. I feel like I'm growing.

Joe Rogan 9:06 We did a non-religious wedding, and the lady was very nice, but she had the corniest fucking vows that sh- You know the thing that they do?

Annie Lederman 9:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:13 "Your love is two streams that will become a mighty river."

Annie Lederman 9:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:16 I'm like, "Oh, my God."

Annie Lederman 9:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:18 Like, as a comedian-

Annie Lederman 9:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:20 ... you know, like, to sit there and listen to that and not mock it?

Annie Lederman 9:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:23 It's like, "Oh, God."

Annie Lederman 9:25 You should've mocked it. I would've mocked it.

Joe Rogan 9:26 I was holding it together.

Annie Lederman 9:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:27 I was making faces, though.

Annie Lederman 9:28 Did you cry at your wedding?

Joe Rogan 9:29 No, I did not.

Annie Lederman 9:29 You didn't?

Joe Rogan 9:30 No, I did not. I cried when my kids were born.

Annie Lederman 9:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:35 I cry, but, uh, that wasn't a, like ... I mean, I love her. She's awesome.

Annie Lederman 9:40 (laughs) I've definitely seen you cry.

Joe Rogan 9:44 But I, I cry.

Annie Lederman 9:45 You're a good boy. I know. You're a good boy.

Joe Rogan 9:46 I cry. Yeah. I'm a ver- I'm a very emotional person in a lot of ways.

Annie Lederman 9:49 I know.

Joe Rogan 9:50 But I ... That was, like, a fun th- It was, like, I wanted to just get it over with. Let's-

Annie Lederman 9:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:53 ... just do it and then-

Annie Lederman 9:54 'Cause it seemed stressful.

Joe Rogan 9:55 ... kind of have fun.

Annie Lederman 9:56 Did you guys have, like, a really big one? Was it a-

Joe Rogan 9:58 No.

Annie Lederman 9:58 Did your ... Was your wife into wanting it to be-

Joe Rogan 10:00 No, she's not very high-maintenance.

Annie Lederman 10:02 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 10:02 She's pretty cool in that regard, you know? It was a small group of friends. It was nice.

Annie Lederman 10:06 And you had your stepdaughter.

Joe Rogan 10:08 Mm-hmm.

Annie Lederman 10:09 And then, you didn't have your daughters yet?

Joe Rogan 10:10 No. One of 'em.

Annie Lederman 10:11 You did?

Joe Rogan 10:11 I had one of 'em.

Annie Lederman 10:12 Oh.

Joe Rogan 10:12 Yeah. It was, uh ... It's one of those things where it's like you're doing ... In the middle, you're doing it, you're like, "Okay, is this happening? We're really doing it?" 'Cause it's, like, hopefully you only do it once.

Annie Lederman 10:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:22 So, why are you doing it? You're like, "Okay, is this real?"

Annie Lederman 10:24 Can you imagine-

Joe Rogan 10:25 You know?

Annie Lederman 10:25 ... planning a second fucking wedding?

Joe Rogan 10:27 Some people do it even for no reason.

Annie Lederman 10:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:30 Like, just to say, "We're gonna go to Tahiti and have a second wedding."

Annie Lederman 10:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:33 And then they're like, "Oh, fuck."

Annie Lederman 10:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:34 And your friends have to go.

Annie Lederman 10:36 No, I mean, like, your next marriage-

Joe Rogan 10:38 Oh.

Annie Lederman 10:38 ... where you're just like-

Joe Rogan 10:39 I have a lot of friends that have gotten married three, four times.

Annie Lederman 10:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:41 You know?

Annie Lederman 10:42 And they do the same amount of effort into each wedding?

Joe Rogan 10:44 (sighs) Well, I think-

Annie Lederman 10:45 It's gotta dilute each time around.

Joe Rogan 10:46 ... what happens is when you find a new gal and she finds out what you did for the old gal-

Annie Lederman 10:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:51 ... she's like, "Listen, motherfucker." (laughs)

Annie Lederman 10:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:55 "We ain't doing-"

Annie Lederman 10:55 "You may have lost 50% but"-

Joe Rogan 10:57 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 10:57 ... "you're gonna be doing 50 extra percent."

Joe Rogan 10:58 "Yeah, we ain't doing this one in the park when your last one was in the fucking Bahamas."

Annie Lederman 11:01 Yeah. Can I tell you-

Joe Rogan 11:03 "Let's go."

Annie Lederman 11:03 ... how cool it is that there's shooting stars in your fucking sky?

Joe Rogan 11:05 That's pretty dope, right? Y- How cool is it that it's 180 degrees in this room?

Annie Lederman 11:09 I'm sweating so much.

Joe Rogan 11:10 Sweating.

Annie Lederman 11:10 I'm so glad I chose black shirts.

Joe Rogan 11:11 Yeah. Something happened to our AC over the last couple days, apparently.

Annie Lederman 11:15 You'd think a guy with a ponytail would really wanna keep it cool in here.

Joe Rogan 11:18 I know. That's what I'm saying. I think that's the guy- It's not his- ... who made it. He has a ponytail, too. Yeah. He has a ponytail, too. So, don't blame me. That's true.

Annie Lederman 11:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:24 Well, i- it's not even his fault. It's obviously one of our units is fucking up, but that's a common thing here. We were at the Creek in the Cave the other night and it was fucking sweating, like, dripping into my eyes on stage.

Annie Lederman 11:35 And it's hard. I've said this before. When you're on stage and you start to sweat, that's a symptom of bombing and it's hard to ... My body goes into, like, save yourself mode when I start sweating and it's like-

Joe Rogan 11:45 Well, you're not comfortable.

Annie Lederman 11:46 Yeah, and I'm like-

Joe Rogan 11:47 You have to be comfortable on stage.

Annie Lederman 11:48 You're pull ... Like, my ... I can't see.

Joe Rogan 11:51 Well, with you, too, you got eye makeup, so it's like that shit's gonna get in your eyes. I remember one time-

Annie Lederman 11:55 I'm actually don't wear makeup. This is what I wake up as.

Joe Rogan 11:57 Crazy.

Annie Lederman 11:57 I'm so pretty.

Joe Rogan 11:58 You are so pretty for, like-

Annie Lederman 12:00 I just wake up like this.

Joe Rogan 12:00 ... natural. I remember one time I came straight from Fear Factor and I had sunscreen on-

Annie Lederman 12:05 Oh.

Joe Rogan 12:05 ... and I didn't realize I had sunscreen on.

Annie Lederman 12:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:07 And I'm on stage, and I sweat, and the sweat got in my eye, and then I was in pain. So, I was g- I was trying to do my act, like-

Annie Lederman 12:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:14 ... while my eyes were tearing up.

Annie Lederman 12:16 ... that's terrible. I also f- that's why I can't surf.

Joe Rogan 12:19 Oh, saltwater.

Annie Lederman 12:20 I've tried surfing and I, I'm like, it's so embarrassing when I'm doing something, everyone else is doing fine and everyone seems like n-... And I'm like, my eyes are burning. I'm like, "Is there something wrong with me?"

Joe Rogan 12:29 Yeah, what is that? How come some people could just open their eyes in saltwater and swim around, it doesn't bother them at all? Can you do it, Jamey?

Narrator 12:35 I, I've sp- I haven't tried for a long time, so I don't know. I don't think so.

Annie Lederman 12:37 You have surfer hair. You should get out there before you cut it.

Joe Rogan 12:39 You seem like a surfer. (laughs)

Narrator 12:41 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 12:41 You, we need to make an excuse for this hair.

Joe Rogan 12:44 Well, you know, in Texas, there's a place down in Waco where it's, uh, an indoor surf place.

Annie Lederman 12:49 I know about Waco.

Joe Rogan 12:50 Uh, yeah, that's a different thing that that's...

Annie Lederman 12:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:54 They, they don't like to talk about that anymore.

Annie Lederman 12:55 (laughs) It's very gross.

Joe Rogan 12:56 Now it's like a home im- a home improvement spot.

Annie Lederman 12:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:58 Do you know that? Like, there's a family that-

Annie Lederman 13:00 They're really good at punch, putting up holes?

Joe Rogan 13:02 No, there's like a famous family that, like, settled in Waco. They're on, like, one of them fix 'em up TV shows.

Annie Lederman 13:08 Oh, the couple...

Joe Rogan 13:09 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 13:09 Yeah. The Fixer Upper couple.

Joe Rogan 13:12 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 13:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:13 Well, um, that's, that's Waco now.

Annie Lederman 13:16 That's the new, that's new Waco. Okay.

Joe Rogan 13:16 That's like everybody's in that... But in Waco there's a, um, a, uh-

Annie Lederman 13:20 Waco's not very woke-o if they're pretending that thing didn't happen.

Joe Rogan 13:23 Oh, I don't think-

Annie Lederman 13:23 You know you're gonna have more of these jokes. (laughs)

Narrator 13:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:25 I don't think it's that they're pretending it didn't happen, I just think they don't talk about it that much.

Annie Lederman 13:30 I guess you don't need to.

Joe Rogan 13:32 Well, I mean, uh, everybody knows-

Annie Lederman 13:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:35 ... you know, the FBI lit those fucking people on fire or whatever, whatever.

Annie Lederman 13:38 I know, it's like their home improvement.

Joe Rogan 13:39 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 13:39 It's like, "Oh, got a bulletproof walls." Um-

Joe Rogan 13:41 Apparently someone was explaining to me that it wasn't just that the FBI lit that place on fire, but that Koresh knew th- so they, they put bales of hay in the hallways and lit 'em and filled them up with gasoline. Like, he, it was kind of like a suicide thing.

Annie Lederman 13:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:56 And he was also... He'd already been shot, so he had like a bullet hole in him and some wild shit, you know? Well, the, cults like that, it's like, uh, how the fuck? Right? How does it get to that? Like, how does, how does someone, like, all of a sudden you find yourself in a fenced off, you know, 10 acre... I don't know how, how many acres the place was, but-

Annie Lederman 14:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:17 ... where you have guns and you're fucking everybody's wife and everybody has to give you their money-

Annie Lederman 14:20 I know once a guy's like, "I'm gonna fuck your wife," that's when you gotta go, "I think I need to exit."

Joe Rogan 14:24 "I don't think you're working in the name of Jesus."

Annie Lederman 14:26 Yeah. Jesus does not want you to bang my wife. Unless that's what you're into.

Joe Rogan 14:30 But that area has an indoor surf place and my friend, uh, Kenny Fong... Shout out to Kenny from, uh, Darkside Motors, uh, he's the guy I used to go get all my car stuff from in, uh, LA. And Kenny, uh, fucking flew to... And we all, he lives in California. Flew to Texas to surf at this place.

Annie Lederman 14:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:46 (laughs) Which is kind of hilarious.

Annie Lederman 14:47 But do they have saltwater?

Joe Rogan 14:48 It's an indoor place. It's a wild ass indoor-

Narrator 14:51 Mm-hmm.

Annie Lederman 14:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:52 ... surf place. It's huge.

Annie Lederman 14:52 I think I've seen Schultz doing it.

Narrator 14:54 This one's outdoor, I think.

Joe Rogan 14:55 Oh, shit. Is this, uh, Waco?

Narrator 14:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:57 Oh, it is outdoor?

Narrator 14:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:59 Oh. Yeah, I think this is it.

Annie Lederman 14:59 Waco's on the up, guys. Look at this.

Joe Rogan 15:01 Oh, you're right. Why did I think it was indoor?

Annie Lederman 15:02 Is this where the Koresh-

Joe Rogan 15:04 Look at this.

Annie Lederman 15:04 ... place was?

Joe Rogan 15:04 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 15:04 They just built this over it?

Joe Rogan 15:05 They leveled it. And, uh, the bodies of the people are underneath the water.

Annie Lederman 15:08 (laughs) That's really incredible.

Joe Rogan 15:09 Sometimes when you go under you see a skull.

Annie Lederman 15:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:12 (laughs) It's fucking badass though. I mean, that's... What a great place to learn how to surf, right?

Annie Lederman 15:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:18 Because you don't have to wait for waves. It's like, if you had... The only way to learn jujitsu was to wait for someone to grab you, that would suck, right?

Annie Lederman 15:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:26 You have no one to roll with.

Annie Lederman 15:28 I have not done jujits-

Joe Rogan 15:28 This is like you have training.

Annie Lederman 15:30 I have not done jujitsu since before the pandemic. I am now so grossed out. I was thinking about all the ball sweat, I was thinking about the smell of the-

Joe Rogan 15:36 Ball sweat?

Annie Lederman 15:37 Yes, the smell of...

Joe Rogan 15:39 Men?

Annie Lederman 15:39 And listen, I'm no, I'm not Mr. Clean over here, I got my own smells going on.

Joe Rogan 15:45 (laughs) You smell great.

Annie Lederman 15:45 In fact, when I would go to-

Joe Rogan 15:47 When I hugged you, I was impressed.

Annie Lederman 15:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:52 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 15:52 When I would go into class, when I would go into 10th plane, I would go to whoever my partner was, I go, "I did yoga before this, so I'm sorry or thank you, whichever," or, "I'm sorry or welcome, whichever you're into, I'm not sure what you like." But-

Joe Rogan 16:04 Now, you would go yoga and then straight into jujitsu?

Annie Lederman 16:06 Well, I would try to wash off a little bit.

Joe Rogan 16:08 But that's crazy.

Annie Lederman 16:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:09 That's a lot of exercise.

Annie Lederman 16:10 Oh, I was ripped. Before I was doing-

Joe Rogan 16:12 Bro. Bro.

Annie Lederman 16:12 ... I was not like... Well, I wasn't ripped, but I was-

Joe Rogan 16:14 You're shredded.

Annie Lederman 16:15 I was pretty good before the pandemic and then-

Joe Rogan 16:18 That's a lot of exercise in one day though-

Annie Lederman 16:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:19 ... is what I'm saying.

Annie Lederman 16:20 Yeah, I would do that, and then I had a meditation class I would go to.

Joe Rogan 16:23 Damn, look at you. Centered.

Annie Lederman 16:24 And I was still fucking psycho, dude. I was way more psycho then than I am now.

Joe Rogan 16:28 Really?

Annie Lederman 16:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:29 What do you think that's about?

Annie Lederman 16:30 I think I did a lot of work on myself over this quarantine.

Joe Rogan 16:33 Well, people are forced to, like, think about themselves.

Annie Lederman 16:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Or think about other people.

Annie Lederman 16:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:37 There was a lot of that.

Annie Lederman 16:38 Oh, I went through both-

Joe Rogan 16:39 You know?

Annie Lederman 16:39 ... and I, I really... I'm telling you, this week specifically I've been working on it. I'm just really focusing on, like, myself and what, what I like. I was talking to Jamey earlier, I'm, I'm writing a movie with Bonnie MacFarlane.

Joe Rogan 16:55 Ah, I love Bonnie.

Annie Lederman 16:56 I love her so much. I go-

Joe Rogan 16:57 I just worked with her a couple weeks ago.

Annie Lederman 16:57 Yeah, I know. I was here. I was-

Joe Rogan 16:58 Oh, that's right. That's right.

Annie Lederman 16:59 I was working with her too. And we're at the Creek in the Cave. I'm telling you, I watched Bonnie's full set. I fucking went up to her afterwards crying, like, I'm so glad I'm friends with her. She's so funny. She's just the real deal. There's no bullshit. She said some of the funniest shit I have ever fucking heard in my life. Her crowd work, I mean, she's like unmatched. And I'm just so-

Joe Rogan 17:18 I've known Bonnie for 20, like 27 years, I think?

Annie Lederman 17:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:22 Something crazy like that.

Annie Lederman 17:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:24 It was like something really cr-... It might have been more.

Annie Lederman 17:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:26 It might be more than 27 years which is wild.

Annie Lederman 17:30 Yeah. She's just, she's such a fucking killer. If you go back and look at her specials too, like her HBO special from... It was like right when I started comedy I think she did it. It's still, like, from beginning to end amazing.

Joe Rogan 17:41 She's just a really smart person.

Annie Lederman 17:43 Yep.

Joe Rogan 17:43 Period. You know?

Annie Lederman 17:44 Yeah. A br-

Joe Rogan 17:45 And her and Rich, I don't... Are they still doing their podcast?

Annie Lederman 17:47 Yeah, they are.

Joe Rogan 17:48 'Cause they're fucking great at that too.

Annie Lederman 17:49 It's so funny. She posted a clip where Rich was talking about his lisp and he was like, "No... People make fun of my lisp, but if I was missing arms, they wouldn't make fun of it." And Bonnie's like, "Rich, your, like, lisp has never gotten in the way of your life." And I commented, I was like, "It has gotten in the way of my life." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:06 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 18:07 ... but it's just, they're just so funny. They're just calling each other out, like, it... Bonnie and I were talking about it today, it's like Rich is such a, a good dude. Like he just has a person that challenges him on every angle and they just... That's why they're so fucking funny, dude.

Joe Rogan 18:20 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 18:20 They just have two people that are just bop, bop, bop, bop.

Joe Rogan 18:22 Well, he can take it better than anybody-

Annie Lederman 18:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:24 ... I've ever met in my life. Like when we used to do-

Annie Lederman 18:27 Anal?

Joe Rogan 18:27 ... Opie & Anthony... No, not anymore.

Annie Lederman 18:28 Oh, okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:29 After the, after the thing-

Annie Lederman 18:30 Take it in. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:31 ... it all ended.

Annie Lederman 18:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:32 Um, but when, uh, when we (laughs) used to do Opie & Anthony together, he could fucking take it better than anybody.

Annie Lederman 18:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:38 When everybody was piling on-

Annie Lederman 18:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:39 ... Rich was the best.

Annie Lederman 18:40 Yeah, he's so funny. He can fight his way out. He's like... It's like that scene in... Did you watch Game of Thrones?

Joe Rogan 18:45 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 18:45 Do you remember the fight scene where they were all piling on him-

Joe Rogan 18:48 Mm-hmm.

Annie Lederman 18:48 ... on Jon Snow and he, like, got out? It's like, that's how I imagine Rich when people are making fun of him. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:52 Zzz. Well, he just... He d- It doesn't seem to bother him. Like, he'll fire back-

Annie Lederman 18:56 Yep.

Joe Rogan 18:56 ... but it doesn't seem to hurt his feelings.

Annie Lederman 18:58 He doesn't care if he, like... if one fires and it doesn't go.

Joe Rogan 19:01 No, he takes winks.

Annie Lederman 19:01 He... Yeah. But he... I used to sit next to him. We would do Judge Roast Battle at The Stand in New York and I always sat next to him. I c- I was like, "I love sitting next to Dum-Dum."

Joe Rogan 19:09 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 19:09 He would ask questions about, like, what the rules of the show were. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 19:12 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 19:13 ... "Rich, we've done this 5,000 times together. You don't know the rules of the fucking show?"

Joe Rogan 19:17 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 19:18 He's just such a ding-dong. I just love him.

Joe Rogan 19:20 I think half of it's for show, though.

Annie Lederman 19:20 But he's so smart.

Joe Rogan 19:22 I think half of it is like-

Annie Lederman 19:24 No, we... I was talking to Bonnie about it. He s-... He... Something happens on stage, like, he can pull facts that he doesn't know off stage. On... He, like, becomes a thing. He's, like, brilliant on stage and then he's just like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:35 Well, he has to be because he could work the crowd so well.

Annie Lederman 19:38 Yep.

Joe Rogan 19:38 He's so good at working the crowd.

Annie Lederman 19:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:40 He's a wizard at working the crowd. You know what else he's f-... This is how fearless that guy is. They used to do this thing on Open Anthony where he would, like, grab a microphone and walk into, like, a fucking laundromat and just start doing standup. It was cringe. Like, people'd be waiting in line at a deli, he would go, "Look, you know, the other day I saw..."

Annie Lederman 19:56 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 19:56 And he would just start s- start doing standup and people would be like, "What the fuck is going on?"

Annie Lederman 20:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:01 He would just s-... And, and bombing and didn't care.

Annie Lederman 20:03 That's so funny.

Joe Rogan 20:03 And they would air it. They would air it on the radio.

Annie Lederman 20:05 Of course.

Joe Rogan 20:07 We used to do this thing in the old days of Opie & Anthony, they were on, uh, terrestrial radio and satellite radio. I forget which one was first. I think terrestrial was first and satellite-

Annie Lederman 20:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:18 ... was second. But we would do one radio show and then we would walk down the street to the second place and while we were walking, they were broadcasting.

Annie Lederman 20:28 Wow.

Joe Rogan 20:28 So, we were broadcasting with wireless microphones walking down the street to the next place.

Annie Lederman 20:34 That's so funny. I always wanna do a podcast where I'm, like, on the street, where I just do like a... It's just an hour of me walking around talking shit to the camera and then, like, fucking with people on the street.

Joe Rogan 20:43 You should do it on 6th Street.

Annie Lederman 20:44 On s-... I should.

Joe Rogan 20:45 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 20:45 Well, I'm gonna wait for things to cool down.

Joe Rogan 20:48 They have cooled down.

Annie Lederman 20:50 More security? The horse cops?

Joe Rogan 20:51 I mean, how many, how many different mass shootings are you gonna have on one street?

Annie Lederman 20:54 I mean, that's a good point, but I think we just put it in-

Joe Rogan 20:56 The odds are you're safe.

Annie Lederman 20:56 ... I think we might've just put it in the universe.

Joe Rogan 20:58 The odds are, you're... (laughs)

Annie Lederman 21:00 I keep missing all of these crazy events. I was... I, I went... I was in Nashville right... The day before that bombing and before the truck drove into-

Joe Rogan 21:08 Oh, I'm sensing a pattern.

Annie Lederman 21:10 ... Zanni's. I, I don't wanna say it's me, guys, but... (laughs) I have a lot of power.

Joe Rogan 21:17 The Zanni's truck, what happened there? The guy just left the truck-

Annie Lederman 21:19 I never-

Joe Rogan 21:19 ... and forgot to put the brake on or something?

Annie Lederman 21:20 I never found out the story, but I, I was supposed to do a show the night before and I canceled 'cause I was tired. And that was a lesson, never cancel a show.

Joe Rogan 21:29 Hmm.

Annie Lederman 21:29 Do a show. The fucking-

Joe Rogan 21:30 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 21:31 ... work's done.

Joe Rogan 21:31 Well, you never should cancel a show because you're tired.

Annie Lederman 21:33 Yeah. You're right.

Joe Rogan 21:34 'Cause you just... Once you get there, you'll fire up.

Annie Lederman 21:36 Yeah, you're right.

Joe Rogan 21:37 I-

Annie Lederman 21:37 I've never had the hiccups on stage. I've never shi... I th-... I do believe I will-

Joe Rogan 21:41 Shit yourself?

Annie Lederman 21:41 ... shit myself on stage.

Joe Rogan 21:42 I've never shit myself on stage, but I've come close. I've come very close.

Annie Lederman 21:46 Oh, th-... You have those sets where you're just crap dusting the audience.

Joe Rogan 21:49 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 21:49 And you're just like, "I hope this mic is loud enough for them to not hear this shit."

Joe Rogan 21:52 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 21:54 Oh, my God, I forgot I've, I've been talking about this on stage, but I've never told you this. I had a opener once, I wish I knew her name. I was doing Dead Crow in North Carolina. Do you know that place?

Joe Rogan 22:05 What's that? No.

Annie Lederman 22:05 It's a, it's a club. It's, like, a small club. It's cute. Um, I'd love to go back. Um...

Joe Rogan 22:10 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 22:10 But next time warn me about my opener if my opener does this. Pl-... If my opener is an actual opener, let me know. So, there was a girl who was... She was Canadian and she was really funny. She had, um...

Joe Rogan 22:22 Bonnie McFarlane?

Annie Lederman 22:22 She did her set. No.

Joe Rogan 22:23 Bonnie's Canadian.

Annie Lederman 22:24 Yes, Bonnie is Canadian and she's amazing and I... T-... Uh, she's my dream friend. I love her. But, um, so the girl finishes her set. She pulls the mic stand down to her crotch. That's never a good sign. When someone pulls it to-

Joe Rogan 22:39 Did she queef?

Annie Lederman 22:39 ... waist level. Not only did she queef, she pulled a... She pulled her skirt up, fully vagina out.

Joe Rogan 22:46 Whoa.

Annie Lederman 22:46 No underwear.

Joe Rogan 22:46 No underwear?

Annie Lederman 22:48 And her... It was a nice vagina. And, um-

Joe Rogan 22:50 She showed the audience her vagina?

Annie Lederman 22:51 She... Yes, and she pulled a kazoo out of her jacket. She put the kazoo into her vagina and she queefed Adele's Hello. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:00 Really?

Annie Lederman 23:01 She was my opener. I had to go on stage-

Joe Rogan 23:02 And the whole audience saw it?

Annie Lederman 23:03 And it was like... I, I'm not knocking, it was literally the most amazing thing I've ever seen, if you're closing a show. I then had to go on stage and be like-

Joe Rogan 23:10 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 23:10 ... "Smells Like Tuna Fish." Like, I was like, "I have to either shove this microphone up my asshole-

Joe Rogan 23:14 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 23:14 ... or I just have to eat a dick for fucking 45 minutes to an hour after this." Every show is just like, "Um..." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:20 But that's... If you're in the audience and she's showing her pussy, like, that's assault.

Annie Lederman 23:26 It is assault, you're right.

Joe Rogan 23:28 It should be illegal.

Annie Lederman 23:29 Honestly, it was well... It wasn't well-groomed, but it was, it was just very interesting.

Joe Rogan 23:35 Did I ever tell you about the story where, uh, Joey Diaz hid in the backstage and there was a, a woman on stage who was not very funny, and Joey hid backstage and took his pants off. And whenever she would hit her punchline, she, he would open up the curtain and shake his balls-

Annie Lederman 23:49 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 23:49 ... and then close the curtain. She was murdering. She's... (laughs) she... This is like in the '90s.

Annie Lederman 23:56 Oh, that's actually sweet. He gave her an experience-

Joe Rogan 23:59 Well-

Annie Lederman 23:59 ... she would never have.

Joe Rogan 24:00 ... he gave the audience an experience they would never have. (laughs)

Annie Lederman 24:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:05 It was so ridiculous.

Annie Lederman 24:06 Was he just doing, like, the chicken heart or was this dick... He was holding his dick up and just-... putting his nose on?

Joe Rogan 24:11 No, he just fucking, he- he- I- I don't remember if he was naked or if he had his pants off and he would just like, "Bah!"

Annie Lederman 24:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:18 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 24:18 And then shut the curtains!

Joe Rogan 24:19 Oh, I thought he was just exposing just the heart.

Annie Lederman 24:22 No, no. The curtain in the OR. You know- Okay.

Joe Rogan 24:24 ... the curtain in the OR?

Annie Lederman 24:24 Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 24:25 He was pants-less behind it.

Annie Lederman 24:27 I've never even... I didn't even know you could go behind that.

Joe Rogan 24:29 You can go behind it apparently.

Annie Lederman 24:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:30 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 24:31 I think I've tried and almost fallen backwards.

Joe Rogan 24:33 There's not a lot of room.

Annie Lederman 24:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:34 I don't even know how you get there.

Annie Lederman 24:35 And especially when you take up a lot of room. Joy, no offense.

Joe Rogan 24:38 Yep. LOL.

Annie Lederman 24:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:39 I don't know how- how do you?

Annie Lederman 24:40 LBS (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:41 How did you get there? How, where did, how does one get there? I don't know how I got there.

Annie Lederman 24:44 I guess he must have just had to hide there through a couple acts. That's so funny, if he had to s- he had to stay there through a few.

Joe Rogan 24:48 I don't think he hid. I think he snuck in while she was on stage. But, uh...

Annie Lederman 24:53 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 24:54 It was like the, in the '90s the shows there were so... It might not have been the '90s. It might have been like maybe 2000. I don't remember. Anyway, the shows there were so bad-

Annie Lederman 25:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:04 ... that sometimes someone would get on the lineup and they would be on the lineup like quite a bit. And they were, it was death.

Annie Lederman 25:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:11 It was like this was the death moment, and you knew that if you had to follow them, fuck.

Annie Lederman 25:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:15 Like, you have a 11:30 spot, they go on before you, you know that room's gonna clear out.

Annie Lederman 25:19 Yeah. I've been, I've been that spot.

Joe Rogan 25:21 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 25:21 The spot after.

Joe Rogan 25:22 The spot after as well.

Annie Lederman 25:23 I've been maybe the spot, the dead spot a couple times too. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:26 But those fucking shows when, like that, when that does happen, like those give you an opportunity-

Annie Lederman 25:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:33 ... to like, to really, like dig in and find out what's actually funny.

Annie Lederman 25:36 Yeah. And it's also, it's like a, you're... To have to pick the whole room up is wild. But I would, I would go on after someone who would just always clear the room. I mean, and it would be like a packed, like it would be a night you were on, so it'd be like fucking sold out main room and I'm watching everyone get up and leave. So, I would always go, "All right, you guys can leave if you want, but if you did, I'm gonna tell everyone you raped me, so-"

Joe Rogan 26:02 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 26:02 "... it's up to you." A white woman, I can do whatever I want. But it was just like, I always had to do like a save line, you know?

Joe Rogan 26:08 Right.

Annie Lederman 26:08 'Cause it was like so awkward that everyone was leaving. But what I learned, this is something I taught myself over the pandemic too, that my time on stage is my time on stage. I don't have to bring up what anyone's done before. I just need to reset-

Joe Rogan 26:19 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 26:19 ... and just do my thing.

Joe Rogan 26:20 Yeah, just own it.

Annie Lederman 26:20 And I can call it back if I want. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:22 It just takes a little time. It takes a little time to shift them over-

Annie Lederman 26:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:25 ... to your style. That, like, that was something that I learned really from watching people in Boston. Like, uh, well, Dom... I learned it watching Dom Irrera in particular 'cause Dom Irrera was the only guy that I ever saw that went up at Nick's Comedy Stop and did well-

Annie Lederman 26:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:38 ... after the local headliners.

Annie Lederman 26:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:39 'Cause they used to do this really sneaky thing where they would take the local headliners, guys like Steve Sweeney and Don Gavin and Kevin Knox, and they would murder.

Annie Lederman 26:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:47 I mean, just murder, murder, murder. Three guys in a row doing like 20 minutes of death.

Annie Lederman 26:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:51 And then they'd put up a national headliner.

Annie Lederman 26:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:54 And a lot of guys just died up there.

Annie Lederman 26:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:57 And guys quit midweek and like big names, like guys in movies and shit. And Dom Irrera went up there and just owned the room. Just cool, calm, and collected.

Annie Lederman 27:06 Yep.

Joe Rogan 27:06 Just went on stage and had a big smile on his face and was like, "How about a nice round of applause for all these guys." Like, no nerves.

Annie Lederman 27:12 Yep.

Joe Rogan 27:12 And just slid into his material and then eventually took over and was murdering.

Annie Lederman 27:16 Yeah. 'Cause if you're, if you're thinking about this stuff before, you're not being in the moment. And I feel like I learned a lot. I used to go after Rick Ingram a lot, and Rick just slaughters with crowd work, like-

Joe Rogan 27:25 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 27:26 And I- I used to be scared of that spot and now I'm like, "Fucking bring it. I don't care." I'm not scared of any spots. I'm... This pandemic was, no offense to the people that had a bad one, very good for me. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:35 Was it?

Annie Lederman 27:36 Yeah. I really-

Joe Rogan 27:37 Well, you worked, you worked at it.

Annie Lederman 27:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:38 It was good. It's good for... Anytime, like there's a change. Obviously, it's not good for people that lost their businesses.

Annie Lederman 27:43 Right. Of course.

Joe Rogan 27:44 I was watching this thing today, I was reading this thing today. 37% of all small businesses in America are gone for good. That's fucking crazy.

Annie Lederman 27:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:53 And it's like the, how the fuck do they ever come back? If they do. Imagine if you worked for 30 years of your life for something and you built it up and, you know, you're getting by and you're doing well and, you know-

Annie Lederman 28:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:06 ... you're making a good living and then all of a sudden (snaps fingers) it's gone.

Annie Lederman 28:08 Yeah. But you know what? Life is unpredictable and we gotta just take it-

Joe Rogan 28:12 Yeah. But this is-

Annie Lederman 28:13 ... figure it out.

Joe Rogan 28:13 ... because of regulations. This isn't really unpredictable. This is-

Annie Lederman 28:16 Yeah, but-

Joe Rogan 28:16 This is just foolishness-

Annie Lederman 28:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:18 ... because Walgreens was open.

Annie Lederman 28:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:20 You know, Target was open.

Annie Lederman 28:20 I know Target was open.

Joe Rogan 28:22 All these different places were open and they told small businesses-

Annie Lederman 28:24 It is really weird, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:24 ... they couldn't be open. It's not really weird. It's idiotic.

Annie Lederman 28:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:27 And there's a lot of people that think that... I don't wanna get into it.

Annie Lederman 28:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:32 It's, it's, it's people that think that it's like a, an effort-

Annie Lederman 28:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:37 ... that, that it was on purpose and that like they recognize that this is an opportunity to get rid of these small businesses and build up-

Annie Lederman 28:44 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 28:45 ... these bigger businesses. Yeah.

Annie Lederman 28:46 Oh.

Joe Rogan 28:46 That's what the, the most cynical and conspiracy minded amongst us think. They think that they recognize this as an attack on small businesses-

Annie Lederman 28:55 Oh.

Joe Rogan 28:55 ... and an opportunity for big corporations to, to thrive. 'Cause that's what happened to them. (clears throat) A lot of big corporations thrived, you know.

Annie Lederman 29:04 Yeah. Well-

Joe Rogan 29:05 This stuff-

Annie Lederman 29:05 ... this is a great-

Joe Rogan 29:06 That stuff's awesome.

Annie Lederman 29:06 Speaking of corporations-

Joe Rogan 29:07 Kill Cliff.

Annie Lederman 29:08 Well, I'm... Listen, I didn't take Adderall or anything today 'cause I'm so excited to be here. I don't wanna blow my-

Joe Rogan 29:12 Do you take Adderall all the time?

Annie Lederman 29:14 No, every once in a while I do. But, you know I got the ADD.

Joe Rogan 29:16 So, you take meth?

Annie Lederman 29:18 Meth. It is, yeah, I call it-

Joe Rogan 29:19 It's basically meth.

Annie Lederman 29:20 I call it homework coke.

Joe Rogan 29:22 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 29:23 (laughs) I'm like, "Who needs a paper, ah!" But, um, you know, it's good to help you get up and stuff, but it is, yeah, I'm sure. I- I- I can't stand behind Adderall is not a...

Joe Rogan 29:33 It's a, it's an amphetamine, you know.

Annie Lederman 29:35 But I, as someone that knows that I'm projecting an Adderall vibe right now. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:39 You're not.

Annie Lederman 29:40 I am just-

Joe Rogan 29:41 You're excited.

Annie Lederman 29:42 ... so excited to be here. The first time I did your show, I was so fucking nervous. Do you remember that? I was like...

Joe Rogan 29:47 You were a little nervous, but you loosened up.

Annie Lederman 29:48 I had so much fun. I had such a good time.

Joe Rogan 29:50 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 29:50 Whitney was like a dream. That was so fun. The Whitney episode was like, that was three hours of my life that-

Joe Rogan 29:57 Pretty fucking fun.

Annie Lederman 29:58 ... I cherish. So fun.

Joe Rogan 29:59 (clears throat)

Annie Lederman 29:59 And then this one, I'm just like, I just couldn't wait to come.

Joe Rogan 30:02 Look, I'm wearing your shirt.

Annie Lederman 30:04 I know.

Joe Rogan 30:04 Um, this-

Annie Lederman 30:05 Annietterman.com.

Joe Rogan 30:07 This, uh, this Black Rifle that has 300 milligrams of caffeine, don't fuck with this.

Annie Lederman 30:12 I'm so scared. Rich mocha?

Joe Rogan 30:14 This is, this might... It's really delicious too.

Annie Lederman 30:15 Do I get rich if I drink it?

Joe Rogan 30:16 That's the problem. No, it's got a rich flavor, so it's-

Annie Lederman 30:18 You've taught me so much my king.

Joe Rogan 30:20 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 30:23 So, the days-

Joe Rogan 30:24 That's good, right?

Annie Lederman 30:24 ... not too long ago when you were slapping hundreds into my hand.

Joe Rogan 30:28 Well, you were broke.

Annie Lederman 30:29 I know. No, I really appreciate it. Do, but do you remember when I was gonna ... I liked when you told me if I got people away from you that were annoying you, you would give me-

Joe Rogan 30:35 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 30:35 ... a hundred bucks. And then I was slamming people and you're like, "That's my friend." And I was like, "Oh, shit."

Joe Rogan 30:39 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 30:39 I, like, misread it. I was body slamming people into shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:43 (laughs) Yeah, the ol', the ol' parking lot days.

Annie Lederman 30:46 I know-

Joe Rogan 30:47 Good times.

Annie Lederman 30:47 ... it's fun. It's, listen, it's getting ... It's in an interesting place right now because it's not, like, full capacity, the Comedy Store, but it's really fun. Are you gonna come back and visit us soon?

Joe Rogan 30:54 Yes, for sure. Yeah-

Annie Lederman 30:55 I can't wait.

Joe Rogan 30:55 ... when I'm in LA I'll definitely come back.

Annie Lederman 30:57 You gotta come back 'cause it's ... We miss you.

Joe Rogan 30:58 I'm on, I'm on a plan, I'm on a plan like a weekend. Do a weekend there.

Annie Lederman 31:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:01 Just take a, a trip and, and see the homeless shelters and shit.

Annie Lederman 31:05 Well, listen. You're, the h- you lied to me about the homeless people here.

Joe Rogan 31:09 They cleared out. Uh, town hall today. City hall.

Annie Lederman 31:11 Uh, well, today I didn't drive. Yesterday, they weren't cleared out. I saw a woman, bottomless, okay?

Joe Rogan 31:17 Congratulations.

Annie Lederman 31:18 Here. And by the way our homeless people-

Joe Rogan 31:20 Was it the girl with the gazoo?

Annie Lederman 31:20 Can I just say? No. (laughs) Our homeless people in LA at least are cute 'cause they were trying to be actors at one point.

Joe Rogan 31:25 No, they're not.

Annie Lederman 31:25 They were trying to be actors. Yours? How are you fat and homeless?

Joe Rogan 31:29 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 31:29 How are you obese and homeless?

Joe Rogan 31:30 'Cause there's a lot of food out here.

Annie Lederman 31:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:31 The TexMex is really fatty. But they, um, there's a lot of services out here unfortunately. Or fortunately.

Annie Lederman 31:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:38 Depending upon, you know, whether or not you are

Jamie Vernon 31:40 ... We just gotta figure out the ... Listen. It's like, I don't wanna look at homeless people like they're the enemy or anything. Obviously, it's ...

Joe Rogan 31:45 They're not the enemy. It's unfortunate.

Annie Lederman 31:47 They really are.

Joe Rogan 31:47 But it's also ... It didn't used to be like this. And you gotta think, is it really, like, that many more people are homeless or is it that they don't go to shelters anymore-

Annie Lederman 31:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:56 ... and now they're camping?

Annie Lederman 31:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:57 'Cause that's the argument about it in here.

Annie Lederman 31:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:59 I don't know. I haven't really done any research. But the people that I know that are paying attention say a lot of what happened was when they lifted the ban on camping, the outdoor camping thing, all these people that used to stay in these shelters-

Annie Lederman 32:13 Were then were able to just, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:14 ... decided to just camp 'cause they're like-

Annie Lederman 32:15 And they could do drugs. They're not being ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:16 They could do drugs. Nobody fucks with them. And then they go back to the shelters if they want food.

Annie Lederman 32:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:21 I mean ...

Annie Lederman 32:22 Yeah, my neighborhood ... I just moved out. I used to live near The Grove and I had to move out of there because it was so fucking dangerous 'cause it's, like, meth addicts. It's not just, like, people that are hard on their luck. Like, it's drug addicts who are, like, violent. My ... I had ... The Citizen's App which just pops up with all the fucking horrible things happening which is, like, what a nightmare. But I'm glad I saw it 'cause there was one, one time I'm out walking my dog and a fucking homeless guy went into some guy's backyard, just random dude. He goes out, he's like, "What are you doing in my backyard?" Stabs him in the fucking neck. That homeless guy was, like, on the run for the whole day just with a knife. He's assaulted one other person, but he killed that guy.

Joe Rogan 32:58 Yeah, you told me about that guy.

Annie Lederman 32:58 That was my street.

Joe Rogan 33:00 Yeah. That's fucked.

Annie Lederman 33:01 Like, I'm just walking my dog.

Joe Rogan 33:03 Well, and cops don't do anything. If someone jumps into someone's backyard they don't arrest them. Like, you have to do, like, $900 worth of theft before they'll even arrest you.

Annie Lederman 33:12 Really?

Joe Rogan 33:12 And if they do arrest you, they just put you right back on the street again. Nothing happens.

Annie Lederman 33:14 And has it always been that way?

Joe Rogan 33:15 No.

Annie Lederman 33:15 Or is this after the defunding?

Joe Rogan 33:17 Af- after the defunding.

Annie Lederman 33:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:18 That, that's ... The defunding of the police in Austin's been a disaster, too. And New York. New York's been a disaster. It's d- it's terrible everywhere. It's a terrible idea.

Annie Lederman 33:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:26 The idea that you're gonna ... And also, the idea that you're gonna send social workers to handle someone's domestic violence case-

Annie Lederman 33:32 Yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 33:32 ... is fucking bananas. And it's a lot of people that don't understand violence that think that's okay and, you know, th- and they have this, like, utopian idea of like, "We don't need the police man. We were talking about defunding the police. We're talking about defunding the police. That's what we mean." And then guess what, fuck face? When there's crazy gang lords-

Annie Lederman 33:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:53 ... roaming the streets controlling everything, like certain parts of New York. And then people get murdered and-

Annie Lederman 33:58 You made it sound really cool. These gang lords, they're-

Joe Rogan 34:01 Mm. Yeah.

Annie Lederman 34:01 ... wearing their pimp jackets. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:03 But people in gangs are con-

Annie Lederman 34:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:06 Look, this is ... What's happening in Mexico could easily happen here with no police presence. People have to understand that.

Annie Lederman 34:12 Uh, diarrhea when you drink the water? I'm not quite familiar what's going on.

Joe Rogan 34:15 No, um, uh, cartels.

Annie Lederman 34:17 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 34:17 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 34:17 Cartels. Yes. Okay.

Joe Rogan 34:17 This, uh, violent cartels.

Annie Lederman 34:19 (laughs) Okay.

Joe Rogan 34:19 Yeah. We-

Annie Lederman 34:20 Cartels reminds me of cartoons. My shirt.

Joe Rogan 34:22 I don't think it's the same. It's a different word.

Annie Lederman 34:24 Okay. (laughs) I ... Yeah, no. It was really weird 'cause I was ... In the area that I lived, um-

Joe Rogan 34:30 That's where Tony lived, too.

Annie Lederman 34:31 They burned. Yeah, they burned cop cars, like, in f- very near my house.

Joe Rogan 34:34 He c- he used to love that area.

Annie Lederman 34:36 It was so beautiful.

Joe Rogan 34:37 He was like, "It was the, it was amazing."

Annie Lederman 34:37 It was so nice.

Joe Rogan 34:38 And now it's all full of tents.

Annie Lederman 34:39 It was really, it was really rough.

Joe Rogan 34:41 Do you know that they're spending fucking ... Oh, you ready for this, Jamie? How about this? I'm gonna send you this, Jamie, 'cause this is fucking crazy. Um-

Annie Lederman 34:49 But as we're talking shit on Los Angeles, there's still a lot of homeless people here, so ...

Joe Rogan 34:51 Well, there's a thi- there's n- it's nothing in comparison. What is this?

Annie Lederman 34:55 It's a smaller town.

Joe Rogan 34:56 What's this? East Hollywood?

Jamie Vernon 34:57 Is that a fun Instagram account? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:59 Oh, is this someone's-

Jamie Vernon 34:59 Street People of Los Angeles where they show, like-

Joe Rogan 35:01 Oh. Street People of Los Angeles is good. Gutter People of Los Angeles is better. That's my favorite one.

Annie Lederman 35:05 Oh, my God. You guys, this is sad.

Jamie Vernon 35:07 Well, this is the video I was looking at that when you're talking about this, like, activist lady is trying to, I guess, help but-

Annie Lederman 35:13 What-

Jamie Vernon 35:13 ... there's also a guy with a machete just standing right behind her.

Annie Lederman 35:15 Jamie, when you watched this the first time, what part did you come?

Joe Rogan 35:18 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 35:19 Beginning or end?

Joe Rogan 35:19 He comes all the time. He just comes multiple times.

Annie Lederman 35:21 (laughs) He's just coming multi-

Jamie Vernon 35:22 Not as much as Tom Segura, but ...

Annie Lederman 35:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:24 Yeah, not like Tom. I'm gonna send you something, Jamie. Um, this is, uh ... You remember how Colion Noir was on and he was talking about how, uh, the reason why the homeless situation never gets fixed is 'cause so many people, um, are working on the homeless situation and they spend hundreds of millions of dollars?

Annie Lederman 35:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:43 LA sp- I thought it was n- there was no money. That's not the case. Hundreds of millions of dollars get spent on the homeless but-

Annie Lederman 35:49 And thank you for your contribution to that, rich man.

Joe Rogan 35:51 But you know where it goes to? But you know where it goes to? It goes to the salaries of people working on the homeless.

Annie Lederman 35:55 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 35:56 So this ... Uh, someone posted all the salaries of all these people. Look at ... They're all, like, six figures and more. Look at it. $254,000, $263,000, $198,000, $264,000. Like, they make a shit load of money.

Annie Lederman 36:12 You would think it is ... Like, it is a job you would wanna pay people a lot 'cause you want them, you want, like, great m- this is a, like a-

Joe Rogan 36:17 You want results.

Annie Lederman 36:18 This is a puzzle. Like, this is a puzzle someone needs to solve.

Joe Rogan 36:20 But you, you want results.

Annie Lederman 36:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:21 When you get no results you shouldn't get that much money.

Annie Lederman 36:23 Exactly. And there's too many people. There should be, like, a committee-

Joe Rogan 36:27 Look-

Annie Lederman 36:27 ... of five people that are experts.

Joe Rogan 36:29 No, no, no. You, you need a lot of people to deal with the homeless situation in LA. It's 100,000 homeless people. You have, you have Boulder, Colorado in LA.... in homeless. Like, take the entire population of Boulder and make it homeless, and then put it in LA. That's where it is.

Annie Lederman 36:44 Boulder's sort of the opposite of that. Boulder's just these gorgeous-

Joe Rogan 36:47 Mm-hmm.

Annie Lederman 36:48 ... fit-

Joe Rogan 36:48 Hikers.

Annie Lederman 36:48 ... hikers.

Joe Rogan 36:49 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 36:49 They're like, they're hot, but they're wearing those, like, toe shoes-

Joe Rogan 36:52 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 36:52 ... and, like, Tevas so you wouldn't bang them, but you're like, "I understand."

Joe Rogan 36:55 They're taking, like, a yoga mat to the top of a cliff.

Annie Lederman 36:57 They got a yoga mat. They're wearing Joe Rogan fanny pack.

Jamie Vernon 37:00 There's a, there's, uh, a story I heard in, uh, on the LA News that, uh, they had these... They bought these things for the homeless shelter situation, and they were just hanging out near Dodger Stadium unused until someone f- found them with, like, a drone one day during the pandemic. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:12 You know what? That's not gonna fix anything either, man.

Annie Lederman 37:15 I want one of those.

Jamie Vernon 37:16 But they spent a bunch of money on them.

Joe Rogan 37:17 Right. But here, here... So, then you're gonna get homeless people, and they're gonna live in these things-

Annie Lederman 37:21 They're gonna make it so nasty.

Joe Rogan 37:21 ... however the way they want to. This guy's talking about... They're gonna live however the way they want to on, in those things-

Annie Lederman 37:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:29 ... up there, just doing drugs and lighting things on fire. And it's like-

Annie Lederman 37:33 And it's, like, nice living in LA. Like, it's like the weather's beautiful. It's-

Joe Rogan 37:36 Pretty nice. Well, that's why they like to go down the beach. It's very, you know, it's very maintained.

Annie Lederman 37:41 But I th-

Joe Rogan 37:41 You know, the, the ocean air comes off.

Annie Lederman 37:43 I think what they're doing...

Joe Rogan 37:43 Cools you off in the hot weather.

Annie Lederman 37:43 I know they have beach front, uh, property.

Joe Rogan 37:46 They do.

Annie Lederman 37:46 They're putting decks on. I'm like, "You guys, this is crazy. You guys are living a better life than me."

Joe Rogan 37:50 Venice is bananas.

Annie Lederman 37:51 But Venice is, um... I think they did something where there... You can't loiter or litter or something, so now the homeless people are, like, cleaning. It's, like, cleaner.

Joe Rogan 38:01 What the fuck ever.

Annie Lederman 38:02 Or they can arrest them, so now they're just-

Joe Rogan 38:03 You can't camp. How about that? Get the fuck out of here.

Annie Lederman 38:05 Yeah. And you know what's weird?

Joe Rogan 38:07 Like, you gotta figure your life out.

Annie Lederman 38:07 You know what I noticed the other day? There's people that are not quite homeless yet. That's how you know. It's like, these are drug addicts. Like, it's like people that are not... You see them, like, leaning into that life, where you're like, if they weren't allowed to camp, they would probably-

Joe Rogan 38:21 It's just-

Annie Lederman 38:22 ... get their shit together.

Joe Rogan 38:22 The whole thing is dumb. You can't allow people-

Annie Lederman 38:25 But you also have homeless people-

Joe Rogan 38:25 ... to just camp on streets in the middle of nowhere. You just can't. You just can't. In the middle of your streets-

Annie Lederman 38:30 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 38:30 ... put tents up. You just can't allow that. You know? They passed a ban on it here, and, uh, today is supposed to be the day that the second phase goes into effect.

Annie Lederman 38:39 I was gonna say, 'cause I've been... I can't allow my king to tell me there's no homeless people in his town.

Joe Rogan 38:44 No, there's homeless people. There's just not a lot.

Annie Lederman 38:46 Yes, there are.

Joe Rogan 38:47 No. There's 2,000.

Annie Lederman 38:49 Well-

Joe Rogan 38:49 2000 to 3000.

Annie Lederman 38:50 It's a small place.

Joe Rogan 38:51 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 38:51 I see them everywhere.

Joe Rogan 38:52 Well, there's a lot. I mean, in terms of, like, visually.

Annie Lederman 38:54 I'm telling you, I saw this obese-

Joe Rogan 38:55 But not-

Annie Lederman 38:55 ... homeless woman, bottomless, running across... I mean, the amount of vaginas I see in this goddamn business, but-

Joe Rogan 39:02 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 39:02 She was running across, wearing a mask. I was like-

Joe Rogan 39:04 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 39:04 ... "I was promised no masks and no homeless people, and I'm getting a mixture of both."

Joe Rogan 39:08 Well, this is the most progressive, air quotes, "city" in Texas.

Annie Lederman 39:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:11 So, you d- you get a lot of people that are still scared of the 'Rona.

Annie Lederman 39:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:14 You could double mask up-

Annie Lederman 39:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:16 ... when you go outside.

Annie Lederman 39:17 You know what I will say about the masks, though?

Joe Rogan 39:19 What?

Annie Lederman 39:20 I- I'm ready for them to be done, but on an airplane, I used to get sick all the time traveling. I might be one of the people that wears the mask. 'Cause I judged the Asians back in the day for wearing the masks on the plane.

Joe Rogan 39:32 I don't know if that's what it is. I think you were traveling a lot less now, and I also think you're probably taking care of yourself a little bit better 'cause you're worried about the 'Rona. Like, most people now are starting to take vitamins, and most people are really aware of vitamin C.

Annie Lederman 39:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:46 Or vitamin D, rather. They just did a study that showed that, that vitamin D deficiency is a bigger comorbidity factor than even being obese.

Annie Lederman 39:56 Now, the vitamin D you're talking about, is that the same you get from the sun?

Joe Rogan 39:59 It's better if you get it from the sun.

Annie Lederman 40:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:01 But you can supplement, and it's, it's adequate.

Annie Lederman 40:04 Am I noticing a tan on you, or am I making that up?

Joe Rogan 40:06 I go, I go outside. I'm crazy.

Annie Lederman 40:08 You do?

Joe Rogan 40:08 I go outside with my phone on.

Annie Lederman 40:09 Now, last night when I was talking to you on the phone and you were yawning, is that 'cause you had been in the sauna?

Joe Rogan 40:13 I was yawning on the phone?

Annie Lederman 40:14 You seemed tired, and I kept going. I didn't, I did not read the room.

Joe Rogan 40:18 I don't know. I probably just yawned, you know?

Annie Lederman 40:20 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 40:20 But, yeah. But I was in the sauna last night.

Annie Lederman 40:21 'Cause I saw the sauna picture. Did I talk to you after the sauna?

Joe Rogan 40:25 I don't remember. I think so. I think I got out of the sauna when I called you.

Annie Lederman 40:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:28 I'm not... I don't remember, though. I'm not sure. It's just that I do it every night. It's like a thing that I do. I just fucking... It's fine for the la- until the last 10 minutes. The last 10 minutes, when I write these sappy-

Annie Lederman 40:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:38 ... posts on Instagram, like, I am almost dead. Like, I-

Annie Lederman 40:41 I love when you're, you're emotional rogue-y. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:45 Well, I've... I'm very, uh, introspective.

Annie Lederman 40:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:48 And I, I feel very vulnerable when I come out of that place. And I feel like that's, like, it's a good thing to express.

Annie Lederman 40:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:53 'Cause I think a lot of people feel vulnerable. And I think a lot of people also see people that are doing well, and they think they're never vulnerable.

Annie Lederman 40:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:59 Like, I make myself vulnerable.

Annie Lederman 41:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:00 You know? I make myself vulnerable through workouts. I make myself vulnerable through jujitsu and sauna and all kind... and, you know, stage, creating comedy and all that shit, too.

Annie Lederman 41:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:10 But everybody's vulnerable. It's important.

Annie Lederman 41:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:13 It's important to express, and it, it helps people understand their own thing better.

Annie Lederman 41:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:17 You know?

Annie Lederman 41:17 When you do jujitsu, you train with, like... You're not in a class, right?

Joe Rogan 41:21 Sometimes.

Annie Lederman 41:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:21 Yeah. But I've been doing... Out here, I've been doing a lot of privates 'cause I'm trying to learn the leg lock game.

Annie Lederman 41:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:26 I'm trying to, uh... 'Cause when I was doing jujitsu regularly, um, there wasn't... The leg lock revolution really happened about five years ago-

Annie Lederman 41:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:35 ... and I missed it.

Annie Lederman 41:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:36 So, I understand it in s- in, like, a crude sense, but I don't understand it like I know the rest of j-... you know?

Annie Lederman 41:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:42 Like, like, I'm a black belt in jujitsu, but I'm not a black belt in leg locks.

Annie Lederman 41:45 Yeah. We always did, like, a leg lock warmup-

Joe Rogan 41:48 It's good.

Annie Lederman 41:48 ... every day in every class. But honestly, I'm like, ugh, "Do I want to go back?"

Joe Rogan 41:54 Do you want to go back?

Annie Lederman 41:55 I don't know. I have to think about it.

Joe Rogan 41:56 Did you enjoy it?

Annie Lederman 41:57 I did very much enjoy it. It's fun 'cause it was, like-

Joe Rogan 41:59 Well, ten-ply has a lot of girls, right? There was a lot of girls in there.

Annie Lederman 42:01 Yeah, there were girls. I didn't feel-

Joe Rogan 42:02 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 42:02 ... like that was an issue, but it just was, um, it's dirty.

Joe Rogan 42:08 It is dirty. You can get sick.

Annie Lederman 42:09 Nobody washes their, um, rash guards well. They're-

Joe Rogan 42:12 Oh, really?

Annie Lederman 42:13 ... mildewy. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:14 Ew. They smell?

Annie Lederman 42:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 42:15 That's the worst.

Annie Lederman 42:16 I-

Joe Rogan 42:16 When you roll one with someone and they stink, it's rough.

Annie Lederman 42:17 And it's like, I, I know it's not about that, so I'm trying to, like-

Joe Rogan 42:20 Mm-hmm.

Annie Lederman 42:20 ... you know, mind over matter. It's like, again, I'm on Fear Factor. Um, but it's just, like... and the s- ball sweat and all of it. It's just a lot.

Joe Rogan 42:28 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 42:28 And you get someone that's the most sweaty. I bet you're fucking sweaty as shit when you-

Joe Rogan 42:32 Oh, I sweat like crazy.

Annie Lederman 42:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:33 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 42:33 I'm sweaty, too. I mean, but this shirt-

Joe Rogan 42:35 But that's 'cause I put in effort and I drink a lot of water.

Annie Lederman 42:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:38 You're supposed to sweat.

Annie Lederman 42:39 I've been drinking-

Joe Rogan 42:40 ... mad fucking water.

Annie Lederman 42:41 Mad Water?

Joe Rogan 42:42 Yes. What is that?

Annie Lederman 42:43 (laughs) It's a new type of water. Um, sponsored by MAD TV. No, um, just a lot of water.

Joe Rogan 42:48 (clears throat)

Annie Lederman 42:49 It's so good, it's ... Oh, did you pause?

Joe Rogan 42:52 I coughed. I coughed. I coughed because-

Annie Lederman 42:53 It made it louder on mine.

Joe Rogan 42:54 So like (clears throat) . No, it didn't.

Annie Lederman 42:55 I thought you were like (clears throat) , "Move it." I, I thought you were gonna be like, "Move it along, bitch. Nobody wants to hear about your water intake."

Joe Rogan 42:59 Watch. Yeah, I'll do it like this. (clears throat)

Annie Lederman 43:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:01 (clears throat) See the difference?

Annie Lederman 43:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:04 That's, that's the cough button. We're like a regular radio show.

Annie Lederman 43:06 I don't like that "you stupid bitch," uh, tone.

Joe Rogan 43:08 What's that?

Annie Lederman 43:09 I don't like that "you stupid bitch" tone.

Joe Rogan 43:11 What do you mean your "stupid bitch" tone?

Annie Lederman 43:12 I didn't know I had ...

Joe Rogan 43:15 What, what are you saying, "your stupid bitch tone?"

Annie Lederman 43:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:17 Are you saying I have a tone with you?

Annie Lederman 43:18 You were like, "This is a ..." (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 43:19 No.

Annie Lederman 43:19 No.

Joe Rogan 43:19 I'm like just explaining it to you.

Annie Lederman 43:21 (laughs) Stupid.

Joe Rogan 43:21 How fucking sensitive of you. I'm wearing your shirt. You know I love you. Jesus Christ.

Annie Lederman 43:26 Yeah, I know you love me.

Joe Rogan 43:27 I do.

Annie Lederman 43:27 (laughs) I was telling Joe, I use your tumbler.

Joe Rogan 43:30 Oh, do you?

Annie Lederman 43:31 I drink my J-R-E tumbler all the time.

Joe Rogan 43:32 Out of your Yeti tumbler?

Annie Lederman 43:34 My Yeti.

Joe Rogan 43:35 Nice.

Annie Lederman 43:35 My yetso.

Joe Rogan 43:36 So, you're back in, in doing shows?

Annie Lederman 43:39 I'm doing shows. I'm having the most fun-

Joe Rogan 43:40 You're on the road.

Annie Lederman 43:41 ... on the road.

Joe Rogan 43:41 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 43:41 I'm on the road. You can check out my tour dates. I'm gonna-

Joe Rogan 43:43 Do you bring anybody with you, or do you go?

Annie Lederman 43:44 I'm trying to find the right person to bring with me.

Joe Rogan 43:46 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 43:46 'Cause it's such a vibe, right? Like, it's ... You need someone that's-

Joe Rogan 43:49 Right.

Annie Lederman 43:49 ... like cool to hang out with that knows boundaries, like if I don't wanna hang out too much or-

Joe Rogan 43:52 Right.

Annie Lederman 43:53 'Cause I found like the couple of gigs that I've done, even though my openers are really nice, I'm, there's a ... I, I can't handle that, the questions, the energy. It's like something I'm not interested in doing.

Joe Rogan 44:01 Sometimes it's rough when you're trying to get ready for a show-

Annie Lederman 44:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:03 ... and they wanna talk to you about stuff-

Annie Lederman 44:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:05 ... and they ask questions and you're writing notes. And you're like, "Hey, man."

Annie Lederman 44:08 Yeah. I don't wanna be rude but ... And it's like, I'm, I don't wanna be one of those people that's like, "No one's allowed in the green room," but it's like no one's allowed in the green room. I can't ... Unless, you know, I find the right person.

Joe Rogan 44:16 Well, the worst is when they bring friends.

Annie Lederman 44:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:19 Like, you have an opening act and they bring three friends-

Annie Lederman 44:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:21 ... in the green room, and you're like ... And they start taking pictures. And you're like, "Hey, hey, hey."

Annie Lederman 44:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:24 "What are we doing here? This is work."

Annie Lederman 44:25 I know. And it's always of my feet. I'm like, "Those can't get out." Um-

Joe Rogan 44:29 Oh. Don't you pixelate them all?

Annie Lederman 44:30 I do. I've been pixelating.

Joe Rogan 44:31 Come here ƒ (00:02:29) .

Annie Lederman 44:32 (laughs) So, I, um, I'm doing two, like really incredible shows that I'm really excited about. I'm doing ... My main tour is gonna start in the fall, but I'm doing like ... I have a bunch of shows. I'm going all over the place.

Joe Rogan 44:44 You're doing-

Annie Lederman 44:44 So, go to my website.

Joe Rogan 44:45 L- are you trying to do like small places? You're trying to do like-

Annie Lederman 44:48 I'm doing clubs and then I'm doing like Carolines, which was where I first started.

Joe Rogan 44:52 Oh.

Annie Lederman 44:52 Where I-

Joe Rogan 44:52 Those were your first?

Annie Lederman 44:54 It wasn't my first spot, but it was my first weekend. I worked with Jim Norton, was my first, um, weekend working.

Joe Rogan 45:01 Oh, that's nice.

Annie Lederman 45:01 It was so fun. And I did their March Madness Contest, where I like waited in line like it was Last Comic Standing, you know.

Joe Rogan 45:07 Oh.

Annie Lederman 45:07 And I did one minute in front of Louis and I got passed on to the next round, and I got really far. And that was like very early in my career. And then they kept my, my stuff, and then Norton wanted to ... Likes to have a female opener so it like balances-

Joe Rogan 45:20 Mm-hmm.

Annie Lederman 45:20 ... his act. And so he picked me, and I, I opened for him, and then I would ... Went on the road with him for about a year or two.

Joe Rogan 45:27 That's awesome.

Annie Lederman 45:28 And learned so much. But I'm finally ... I'm going back to headline for the first time-

Joe Rogan 45:31 Ooh.

Annie Lederman 45:31 ... in August. I'm so excited.

Joe Rogan 45:33 That's your first time ever headlining Carolines?

Annie Lederman 45:35 Carolines, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:36 Wow.

Annie Lederman 45:36 So, it's like this weird full circle. I'm just having this-

Joe Rogan 45:39 That's nice.

Annie Lederman 45:39 ... such a good time coming back. I'm going to all these different places. My, my thing will be coming out. I'm also doing a show for The Eagles. Not the band.

Joe Rogan 45:47 The Eagles the band?

Annie Lederman 45:47 No, not the band.

Joe Rogan 45:48 No. Philadelphia?

Annie Lederman 45:49 Where I'm from. So, I'm going back to Philadelphia at the Lincoln Financial Field. I'm doing the stadium-

Joe Rogan 45:54 What?

Annie Lederman 45:55 ... that they play in. Yeah. F- It's through The Eagles. It's for this charity called Laughter Heals.

Joe Rogan 45:58 How many people are gonna be there?

Annie Lederman 46:00 I don't know. I mean, you got tickets.

Joe Rogan 46:01 That's like 50,000 people or some shit, right?

Annie Lederman 46:03 It's gonna be ... It's gonna be so fun. But it's like, uh, a lot of Philly acts. There's gonna be Big Jay-

Joe Rogan 46:06 Are you gonna say cunt in front of 50,000 people?

Annie Lederman 46:08 Of course I'll say cunt.

Joe Rogan 46:09 That's weird.

Annie Lederman 46:10 Uh, Eleanor Carrigan is gonna be there, so she'll say cunt.

Joe Rogan 46:12 Oh.

Narrator 46:12 Oh.

Annie Lederman 46:12 Maybe if I'm bringing her up, I'll be like, "This cunt."

Joe Rogan 46:14 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 46:15 Um, Steve Simone is gonna be on it.

Joe Rogan 46:17 Nice.

Annie Lederman 46:17 It's really-

Joe Rogan 46:18 Nice.

Annie Lederman 46:18 ... Craig's sh- uh, Craig Shoemaker is putting it together.

Joe Rogan 46:20 Wow.

Annie Lederman 46:20 But it's gonna be so fun.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Wow. And so, it's just-

Annie Lederman 46:23 So-

Joe Rogan 46:23 ... an all comedy show or it's other things too?

Annie Lederman 46:24 It's an all comedy show.

Joe Rogan 46:26 In a stadium?

Annie Lederman 46:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:27 Jesus.

Annie Lederman 46:28 And it's all like ... It's a charity through The Eagles, for, you know-

Joe Rogan 46:32 Wow.

Annie Lederman 46:32 ... kinda bringing back the excitement of being back on the road and everything coming back, and-

Joe Rogan 46:36 How long did you take off? And how long-

Annie Lederman 46:38 I took off a lot of time, Joe. A lot. I really-

Joe Rogan 46:42 Like how many months was it before you went on stage again?

Annie Lederman 46:44 Um, I did some shows in Whitney's Backyard, which kinda got me back into it.

Joe Rogan 46:47 I don't think those count.

Annie Lederman 46:48 You don't think those count?

Joe Rogan 46:49 No.

Annie Lederman 46:50 Okay.

Joe Rogan 46:50 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 46:51 I felt like they did.

Joe Rogan 46:51 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 46:51 'Cause it really did feel ... It was people I didn't know in the audience.

Joe Rogan 46:54 No, they definitely count.

Annie Lederman 46:55 Oh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:56 I'm just joking.

Annie Lederman 46:56 It was so fun. I love my queen.

Joe Rogan 46:58 She's awesome.

Annie Lederman 46:59 I love her. Um-

Joe Rogan 47:00 She's a wild lady. Tha- that lady never stops working. She's always grinding.

Annie Lederman 47:04 It's really unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 47:05 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 47:05 It's really-

Joe Rogan 47:06 There's no end.

Annie Lederman 47:07 My boyfriend does clips for her, does ... like edits stuff for her, and so I see ... I mean, this is a 24/7 job. This lady is ... Her brain is working.

Joe Rogan 47:13 Gone. It's always.

Annie Lederman 47:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:14 It's always like ... (imitates machine revving) It's always fucking 50 different directions, 100 miles an hour.

Annie Lederman 47:19 And I can always count on her if I need advice, if I need help with something.

Joe Rogan 47:22 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 47:22 She will always find time.

Joe Rogan 47:24 Well, she's crazy, but she's wise.

Annie Lederman 47:26 I love her.

Joe Rogan 47:26 She's very wise.

Annie Lederman 47:28 I love her.

Joe Rogan 47:28 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 47:29 I really-

Joe Rogan 47:29 It's just, she's got work ... I mean, I love the hustle. I, I-

Annie Lederman 47:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:32 ... I respect work ethic-

Annie Lederman 47:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:34 ... more than almost anything in this life.

Annie Lederman 47:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:36 When someone just always out there grinding-

Annie Lederman 47:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:38 ... not making any excuses-

Annie Lederman 47:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:39 ... just always hustling. That's her. She's never ... It ... There's ... She's never like, "This business doesn't care about me."

Annie Lederman 47:45 Yep.

Joe Rogan 47:46 "I don't get the breaks I deserve. I don't ... But they want me to prove myself." There's none of that with her. It's ... With her it's, "Go, go, go."

Annie Lederman 47:52 And once you get rid of that shit, which is the stuff that I've like really worked on getting rid of over the pandemic-

Joe Rogan 47:56 Oh, it's so toxic.

Annie Lederman 47:56 ... you just fly. I'm just feeling so good. Like I feel like a ray of light.

Joe Rogan 48:00 Well-

Annie Lederman 48:00 Like I just feel so good.

Joe Rogan 48:02 It's energy.

Annie Lederman 48:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:03 It's energy. Whether you look at it that way or not. Like people love to make excuses for why they're not as successful as they think they're, they are.

Annie Lederman 48:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:09 But when you do that, and there's all these other people around you that are killing it-

Annie Lederman 48:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:14 ... do you really think there's some fucking conspiracy against you?

Annie Lederman 48:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:17 No. You're wasting energy. And that same kind of energy that you waste saying, "Why? What about me?"

Annie Lederman 48:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:23 "What about ... I don't..." And all these other people

Narrator 48:25 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 48:25 It's all the energy you're putting towards-

Joe Rogan 48:26 ... going on and on.

Annie Lederman 48:26 Yes.

Joe Rogan 48:27 Exactly. Exactly. It's a 100% energy waster.

Annie Lederman 48:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:30 It's all it is.

Annie Lederman 48:31 Well, it's ... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:31 It doesn't do you any good.

Annie Lederman 48:32 Just the like waiting for Hollywood ... Like all the cancel culture shit, all that stuff, is you expecting Hollywood to pick you or something. Do you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 48:39 Well, it's just negative energy. It's negative energy for no fucking reason.

Annie Lederman 48:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:42 It's the ... It's like ... And it's also when people see someone like you who's doing well, and they'll attack you.

Annie Lederman 48:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:48 The only reason they're doing that is out of jealousy.

Annie Lederman 48:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:50 That's it. That's it. Like if you don't ... If someone doesn't like you or like your act, who gives a shit?

Annie Lederman 48:55 Yeah. It doesn't matter.

Joe Rogan 48:55 There's a lot of people that I don't like-

Annie Lederman 48:57 And as long as-

Joe Rogan 48:57 ... and I don't fucking talk about it.

Annie Lederman 48:58 If I work on like loving myself, and guys, get ready. Can you do like a fake tear?

Joe Rogan 49:04 Do you love yourself?

Annie Lederman 49:04 I very much do, and I did not before.

Joe Rogan 49:06 Oh.

Annie Lederman 49:06 I didn't realize that-

Joe Rogan 49:07 When did it start?

Annie Lederman 49:08 You know ...... over this, this pandemic, I really-

Joe Rogan 49:10 You didn't love yourself before the pandemic?

Annie Lederman 49:11 I mean, I liked myself, but I was, I was really mad at myself. I was, like, being hard on myself.

Joe Rogan 49:17 For real?

Annie Lederman 49:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:18 In what way?

Annie Lederman 49:19 I just-

Joe Rogan 49:20 Like, what, what was bothering you?

Annie Lederman 49:22 I think that I just had this subconscious belief that I was just bad. It was just from childhood, it just, like, this message that I got as a kid that I-

Joe Rogan 49:29 Mm-hmm.

Annie Lederman 49:30 ... how I perceived-

Joe Rogan 49:31 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 49:31 ... how I was treated or something.

Joe Rogan 49:32 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 49:32 And I just clung to that. And I look at everything, like the way I wasn't making money, the way I was like, I felt so like I needed things, you know? And it, it was because it was low self-esteem.

Joe Rogan 49:43 Well, here's what's important. That's most of us.

Annie Lederman 49:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:46 That's most of us. Even me.

Annie Lederman 49:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:48 Yeah, that was me for a long time.

Annie Lederman 49:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Most of us feel in- inadequate, and then when you become successful, um, we... A lot of us have imposter syndrome.

Annie Lederman 49:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:57 You know, when things start doing well, and even though you know you've worked hard-

Annie Lederman 50:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:00 ... and even though you, you know, like, "Oh, that was... That show went well."

Annie Lederman 50:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:03 You still... You feel like an imposter.

Annie Lederman 50:04 But I've, I've really worked on not doing that anymore because I would have so much anxiety even performing. This is something I've done every single night, multiple times a night for 12 years, and I'm going to the show going like, (gasps) "I hope they like me," or whatever. It's all-

Joe Rogan 50:17 Right.

Annie Lederman 50:17 ... external validation instead of going like, "I'm proud of my work, I love what I do, and I can't wait to get on that stage and do it."

Joe Rogan 50:24 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 50:24 And it's just changed everything. And being like, "I'm here to, like, entertain these people. We're gonna have this experience together," and it's been insane. I just sold out Brea. I'm just starting to sell shows now.

Joe Rogan 50:33 That's awesome.

Annie Lederman 50:34 Yeah, I'm really... It's been really amazing.

Joe Rogan 50:36 Did you read books? Uh, how did you-

Annie Lederman 50:38 I've been chasing up-

Joe Rogan 50:39 ... shift?

Annie Lederman 50:39 Okay, so I've been listening to this podcast, uh, by this guy, Jim Fortin, The Jim Fortin Show.

Joe Rogan 50:44 Fortin, like Norton-

Annie Lederman 50:45 Jim-

Joe Rogan 50:45 ... but with a F?

Annie Lederman 50:46 Yeah, but with Fortin, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:46 Okay.

Annie Lederman 50:47 And I, I signed up for a coaching course of his, and it's changed my life.

Joe Rogan 50:51 Really?

Annie Lederman 50:51 I've never in my life-

Joe Rogan 50:52 What does he do?

Annie Lederman 50:53 It's just... It's a 14-week course, and each week builds on the next week, and it just starts with subconscious reprogramming. So, he used to be a hypnotist, and he works with a shaman. So it's like brain science and, um, ancient wi- like, spiritual wisdom, and it's just been, like... I just can't believe it.

Joe Rogan 51:13 How'd you find out about him?

Annie Lederman 51:14 I randomly was listening to a podcast. I went to, um, on the, uh, this podcast, The Adult Chair, that's this really amazing woman, Michele Chalfant, that I listen to, and then she had him on, and it led me to him. And it's just, it's like... I really feel like the universe gave me this, this curriculum and this th- It's just, like, so cool. It's just what... His... It, I, I just... The program's just amazing. It's like no excuses, I'm 100% accountable for my life, 100% of the time. And now that I have that, that view and I do these, uh, I do meditations every night, I do, um, what do you call it? Visualizations, and I'm reprogramming the subconscious thought of, like, "I'm not worthy. I'm not good enough."

Joe Rogan 51:56 Hmm.

Annie Lederman 51:57 And I now... I'm approaching things... I mean, you can get it anywhere. These are all things I've heard before.

Joe Rogan 52:02 Right.

Annie Lederman 52:03 You know, I've gotten th- advice from people, I've read a lot of self-help and stuff, but for some reason, the way he does it, for me, is like, at this very moment in my life, is exactly what I need.

Joe Rogan 52:12 Wow.

Annie Lederman 52:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:13 So, just a big shift?

Annie Lederman 52:14 A huge shift, and I feel... Yeah, I just... Money has just-

Joe Rogan 52:20 Come your way?

Annie Lederman 52:20 ... come my way.

Joe Rogan 52:21 Oh, interesting.

Annie Lederman 52:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:22 Congratulations on that.

Annie Lederman 52:24 I was-

Joe Rogan 52:24 That's pretty nice.

Annie Lederman 52:24 Listen to this. So, I was living in this... (laughs) I was living in this, uh, I mean, it's maybe a laughable am- amount to other people, but to me, it's huge. But, um, I was living in this apartment building when the pandemic hit that got bought by another company, and they started doing construction. They were, like, buying people out. For some reason, they didn't offer to buy me out. I just wasn't home the day they were knocking on doors. So, I was living in a construction zone where they were doing construction around my apartment, bottom, next to me. I'm just, like, in hell.

Joe Rogan 52:57 Right.

Annie Lederman 52:57 I got an ulcer. I was fre- I just was, like, in so much stress.

Joe Rogan 53:00 Why didn't you call somebody to see if they'll buy you out?

Annie Lederman 53:03 I did and they refused.

Joe Rogan 53:04 Really?

Annie Lederman 53:04 But I thought-

Joe Rogan 53:05 They're like, "Fuck you, bitch."

Annie Lederman 53:06 I was like-

Joe Rogan 53:06 "We bought everybody else out."

Annie Lederman 53:07 Exactly, and I thought, like, "Oh, I'll just wait it out. Eventually, they'll buy us out." And so I was waiting and waiting and waiting in this terrible environment, miserable, like, really, like, suffering, and my boyfriend and I went to see, uh, visit our families for the first time after the pandemic, and I just had this, like, loving, wonderful place. I was taking this new course, and the, one of the things that Jim talks about is, like, do not be a victim of your circumstances. So, my circumstances were bad, you know? My circumstances were that I was living in a shitty apartment, and I was like, "I'm too b-..." You know? The past me would have been, "I'm too broke to move." We came home and they had boarded up... Like, it was a Black Lives Matter rall- like, rally. Like, boarded up the entire front of our building. There was just this little narrow hallway to go in, to the... It was insane. It's like, "I can't live here." They took our laundry away. They moved our mailboxes outside so that homeless people could just take our mail.

Joe Rogan 54:03 Really?

Annie Lederman 54:03 And then... Yeah, it was just so many crazy things 'cause I think they were just trying to get us to leave, right? But I was in this, like, fight with them, where I was like-

Joe Rogan 54:09 Was that legal?

Annie Lederman 54:10 I don't think it's legal, but I, you know... I don't care because I got the fuck out of there. I went... We were walking up and I said to my boyfriend, I go, "This is the last month we live here. I don't give a shit how we do it." I open up my mailbox, I get a... There's a check from the IRS. Or not a check from the IRS, a letter from the IRS. I start to go to my normal panic, like, "Oh fuck, I owe the IRS money." Instead, I, like, took a breath, I'm like, "I'm paying money for this course. Let me use this course." I go... I'm not, like... You know, money is not a thing I'm scared of or whatever. I open it up. It's a check for $6,000 for a year that they forgot to pay me. So we moved out immediately, got a new lease in a beautiful place near the beach, and it was, like, done. And my life has been-

Joe Rogan 54:51 Do you think you made that happen with your mind?

Annie Lederman 54:54 I don't think I made that happen with my mind, but-

Joe Rogan 54:55 Do you think you might have?

Annie Lederman 54:56 Maybe.

Joe Rogan 54:57 Do you think maybe?

Annie Lederman 54:58 Maybe.

Joe Rogan 54:59 Do you think Jim would tell you you made it with your mind?

Annie Lederman 55:02 I don't-

Joe Rogan 55:02 With your shaman-

Annie Lederman 55:02 I think maybe. Maybe he would say-

Joe Rogan 55:04 Female shaman mind.

Annie Lederman 55:06 With my girly shaman mind, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:07 (humming)

Annie Lederman 55:07 I... Maybe. You know what I've been using too?

Joe Rogan 55:10 What?

Annie Lederman 55:11 Duncan told me this when he did a pod, uh, episode of my podcast, Meanspiration, which I'm coming back with my solo podcast, rebranding it-

Joe Rogan 55:17 Whoo.

Annie Lederman 55:17 ... soon.

Joe Rogan 55:18 You're not gonna call it Meanspiration?

Annie Lederman 55:19 I think I'm just gonna call it the Annie Letterman Show, or-

Joe Rogan 55:22 I like that better.

Annie Lederman 55:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:23 Yeah.

Annie Lederman 55:23 And so subscribe to Annie Letterman YouTube, uh, 'cause that will be coming soon. And, um-

Joe Rogan 55:28 When are you gonna start that?

Annie Lederman 55:30 I wanna start it as soon as possible. Maybe when I go back, um-

Joe Rogan 55:33 Okay.

Annie Lederman 55:33 ... I got have some, you know, maybe in July.

Joe Rogan 55:35 Hmm, incredible.

Annie Lederman 55:36 But I wanna get a... I have, like, ideas for my set. I have a whole vision of what I wanna do. And-

Joe Rogan 55:42 You're gonna have a, a, a set in LA?

Annie Lederman 55:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:45 Do you know where you're gonna do it? Don't tell anybody 'cause they'll fucking stalk you, but do you have a spot?

Annie Lederman 55:50 I had a spot I was looking at, but the room's too small, and I'm just open to looking at other studios. And, but I'm really excited. And, um, what was I saying? Oh, Duncan came on my podcast. So if you guys do go to my YouTube watch, look up the Duncan episode. It's my favorite thing I've ever done.

Joe Rogan 56:09 He's the best.

Annie Lederman 56:09 It was me and Duncan for, like, two hours just... I cried. Like, we were just in it.

Joe Rogan 56:13 Aw.

Annie Lederman 56:13 I just love him.

Joe Rogan 56:14 He's the best.

Annie Lederman 56:15 He is just this sweet ray of light, and I just-

Joe Rogan 56:17 He brings things out in you.

Annie Lederman 56:19 He's just an angel. And I honestly feel like, you know, when I look at him and I look at you, those are the things that I love about you guys that I'm like, like, I wanna... That's what I aspire to be, is someone that's, like, a light, you know, not... I don't need to go up there and be mad at an audience or... There's no reason, you know?

Joe Rogan 56:35 No, this is too much fun.

Annie Lederman 56:37 And it's so fun. But-

Joe Rogan 56:38 But yeah.

Annie Lederman 56:38 ... he said this thing to me on the podcast where he said, um... I don't remember the name of the guy whose theory it is, but it's the idea of pronoia. Did he mention that on your podcast? So it's instead of paranoia where you're assuming that the universe is conspiring against you, you just assume they're conspiring for you.

Joe Rogan 56:56 Hmm.

Annie Lederman 56:57 So that whenever anything happens... And that type of thought process has helped me.

Joe Rogan 57:02 Hmm.

Annie Lederman 57:02 Because even if you think about it, if I'm thinking, "Okay, something horrible happened," um, "Oh, no, what am I gonna do?" But if I look at it and I go, "Oh, this is a shift now, and now I'm moving onto something better," and then I'm looking for the positive and the good opportunities, so.

Joe Rogan 57:19 So you're looking at things with a healthier perspective.

Annie Lederman 57:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:22 And that, in turn, leads to more success.

Annie Lederman 57:24 Yes.

Joe Rogan 57:25 Yeah. And then you're not wasting time-

Annie Lederman 57:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:27 ... doing that woe-is-me shit-

Annie Lederman 57:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:29 ... or being why her or why him?

Annie Lederman 57:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:31 What about me? Good.

Annie Lederman 57:33 Why they?

Joe Rogan 57:34 Yeah, well, the... Ooh.

Annie Lederman 57:36 Gotta cover them all.

Joe Rogan 57:36 Nonbinary, gotta cover the nonbinary folks. Yeah, that's, um, that's a really good way to look at things. And everyone has their own challenges.

Annie Lederman 57:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:43 As much as you like to think that they don't and you like to think that it's all... You know, that's the thing about narcissists, right? They always wanna think they're the only ones who are struggling.

Annie Lederman 57:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:50 So they always wanna talk about their struggles, but everybody struggles. We're all struggling.

Annie Lederman 57:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:55 It's hard. Life's weird, you know? And even if you're doing well, like, financially, you probably have emotional struggles than other people.

Annie Lederman 58:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:00 There's always things going on.

Annie Lederman 58:01 Well, nothing's per- Like, there's no control in this world, so it's like, you know-

Joe Rogan 58:06 Even if there is, it doesn't last. Y- you, you're renting time here.

Annie Lederman 58:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:10 You know?

Annie Lederman 58:11 But I feel really... Yeah, I just feel really good. I had a really-

Joe Rogan 58:14 Awesome.

Annie Lederman 58:14 ... amazing time with my family this weekend. I posted a video of... I always surprise my nieces. I don't know if you've seen it on my Instagram.

Joe Rogan 58:21 No.

Annie Lederman 58:22 I'm always, like, popping out of boxes or something.

Joe Rogan 58:24 (laughs)

Annie Lederman 58:24 But I hadn't seen them in a year and a half.

Joe Rogan 58:26 Aw.

Annie Lederman 58:26 So my brother and I made this video. Do you want... Would you play it, Jamie? It's on my Instagram. You're gonna die 'cause you're gonna laugh. There's some things I wanna talk to you about what I did not think through. So when we did this, I was like, um... They hadn't seen me in so long. I was like, "I'll wear my leopard print jacket to help them, like, so they know it's me ahead of time 'cause they know me by it."

Joe Rogan 58:48 Oh, right.

Annie Lederman 58:48 But look what happened instead.

Jamie Vernon 58:54 Move it back to, like, where it goes. (screaming)

Annie Lederman 58:58 (laughs) She thought I was a fucking tiger.

Joe Rogan 59:02 Oh, no.

Annie Lederman 59:02 Look at her stance.

Joe Rogan 59:03 Oh, no.

Annie Lederman 59:03 Look how she's squared up.

Jamie Vernon 59:06 (screaming)

Joe Rogan 59:08 But they're excited to see you once they realize-

Annie Lederman 59:10 Yeah, they're so excited. You don't have to-

Joe Rogan 59:11 Oh, that's so cute.

Annie Lederman 59:12 They, they then go inside and see my family and stuff, but-

Joe Rogan 59:14 That's so cute.

Annie Lederman 59:15 ... it's just so funny because they go, "We thought you were a tiger." And I didn't even-

Joe Rogan 59:18 Oh, that's hilarious 'cause your jacket-

Annie Lederman 59:19 ... think about that. They were at soccer practice, and then they were in the fucking Jungle Book, like-

Joe Rogan 59:22 Oh, dude, last night, okay?

Annie Lederman 59:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:24 Last night on my security camera, there was a big black cat, like a 60, 70-pound fucking something or another.

Annie Lederman 59:33 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 59:33 Well, I don't know what it... See, the thing about Texas is, this is a real issue, there's more tigers in captivity in Texas than all of the wild of the world.

Annie Lederman 59:42 Really? Because of, like, rich people wanting-

Joe Rogan 59:44 Yes, 'cause assholes.

Annie Lederman 59:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:45 'Cause people just have a fucking fence, "I want a tiger," and you could just have a tiger here-

Annie Lederman 59:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:48 ... 'cause, 'cause of freedom. Freedom, America.

Annie Lederman 59:50 Yeah, I get it.

Joe Rogan 59:51 Like zebras. Like, my wife saw a zebra once. She was driving down the road, she saw a zebra. I was like, "A fucking zebra?"

Annie Lederman 59:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:56 Zebras just get out, right? Like, people have zebras, and they just get out sometimes. Well-

Annie Lederman 1:00:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 ... whatever this thing was, it's like a black panther-

Annie Lederman 1:00:04 Can you ride a zebra?

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 No, you cannot.

Annie Lederman 1:00:05 Are they short?

Joe Rogan 1:00:06 No, they're horse-sized. They're f- It's a fucking horse, a wild horse that cannot be tamed. No one has ever been able to tame a zebra. It's like trying to ride a wolf. Like, get the fuck out of here.

Annie Lederman 1:00:15 I relate. Maybe my spirit animal is a zebra.

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 Anyway, I'm in the middle of this.

Annie Lederman 1:00:19 Sorry.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Outside of my fucking house-

Annie Lederman 1:00:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 ... there is a, a b- a big black cat-

Annie Lederman 1:00:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 ... like a black panther.

Annie Lederman 1:00:25 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 And, like, like as big as my dog. You know, my dog's, like, 80 pounds.

Annie Lederman 1:00:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 This thing is, like, that size.

Annie Lederman 1:00:31 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 Probably like a little less than him, but it's a big fucking black cat. And you see its eyes on the security camera walking down. And then my neighbor, who walks his fucking dog at night, his dog is, like, on death's door, right? It's, like, sweetheart of a dog, but-

Annie Lederman 1:00:46 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 And he's... So he's got a headlamp on.

Annie Lederman 1:00:49 The dog?

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 No, the, the neighbor.

Annie Lederman 1:00:51 (laughs) Fuck. This dog's, like, dragging its legs.

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 She's... I'm trying to tell a story, and you're fucking up my flow.

Annie Lederman 1:00:56 (laughs) Sorry.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 This guy is-

Annie Lederman 1:00:56 I have some punchlines, excuse me.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 This guy is dragging his fucking dog, right?

Annie Lederman 1:01:01 Aw.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 He, he... You know, the dog walks slow-

Annie Lederman 1:01:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 ... and he's kind of pulling him along on the leash. The cat runs towards them.

Annie Lederman 1:01:06 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 I'm thinking I'm gonna see a