Joe Rogan Experience #1669 - Kyle Kulinski

1. 0:00 – 3:11

   Rogan’s standup set: getting high, staying present, and why delivery matters

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. KKKyle Kulinski0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Oh, hello, Kyle.

   4. KKKyle Kulinski0:15

      Hello, Joe Rogan. Pleasure to be here.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Always good to see you, my friend.

   6. KKKyle Kulinski0:16

      Oh, I'm really happy to be here. I had a great time last night watching your standup.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Oh, that was fun.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski0:21

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      That place is fun, right? Vulcan?

   10. KKKyle Kulinski0:22

       Yeah. Place is a lot of fun. Um, I've seen your standup three times now, and I really think that that was the best set I've seen of yours yet.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Oh, thank you. Thanks, man.

   12. KKKyle Kulinski0:30

       Yeah. We were talking about it afterwards, and we were like, uh, uh, trying to put our finger on why I think it was the best, and I'm interested to hear what your, your thoughts on this are. But I think... You said at the beginning of the show, "I am fucking high as balls right now."

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       That was definitely true.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski0:44

       And it made me think that weed probably put you in the moment a lot more.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Yeah.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski0:50

       And then makes it so that... Like you said, you were exercising some things and going down some paths you wouldn't normally go down.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Yeah.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski0:56

       And I think that was one of the things that made it great because I know that whenever I'm less coached myself when I'm about to do a segment and talking about politics, it always comes off better than when I'm very rigidly going through the motions.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       Yeah.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski1:09

       You know what I mean? So there's something about the off-the-cuff thing, which it felt like you were very off-the-cuff, that really, the room was locked into you and, and you were doing a great job.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       Thanks. Thanks. Yeah, I think... Uh, I'm working out stuff so like I ha- uh, I have bits that are already formulated, but some of them I'm not really happy with, so I was trying to figure out different ways to do them, and that's what I was doing last night, was just fucking around and trying to figure out new ways to talk about things.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski1:33

       Yeah. It was, you know... Comedy is an interesting art. It really is, because the laughter is so involuntary. It's like how it's, it's... You gotta be a magician to, like, coax it out of people at the right time.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:43

       Yeah.

   24. KKKyle Kulinski1:43

       It seems like it's nearly impossible.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       It's kind of a, a s- sort of like a mass hypnosis.

   26. KKKyle Kulinski1:50

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       That's what it's kinda like. It's like you're getting those people to think the way you think, like bringing them into your head.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski1:57

       Yeah. The delivery... One of the things I noticed yesterday is that... I'm curious, what percentage of comedy do you think is just delivery? Because there were a couple people who had good material, like if you write the jokes down, the jokes are good, but then with the delivery, there was something off about it-

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:14

       Yeah.

   30. KKKyle Kulinski2:14

       ... and they were either rushing through it or there wasn't confidence behind it, and it just fell flat. And so it makes me feel like, like Tony Hinchcliffe, for example, I was telling you this last night, he's like... He's a master at how he delivers it because it's so, like, confident but also calm and deadpan.
2. 3:11 – 6:41

   Kyle’s personality: introversion, monologuing, and the “dance” of multi-person conversations

   1. KKKyle Kulinski3:11

      Yeah. I feel like I learned that lesson the hard way when I was the loudmouth annoying kid in college talking about politics and debating the teacher.

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:19

      (laughs)

   3. KKKyle Kulinski3:19

      You know what I mean? Like, you lose the room instantly.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:21

      Have you always been that guy?

   5. KKKyle Kulinski3:23

      Um, so-

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:24

      You've always been into politics then, even when you were in high school?

   7. KKKyle Kulinski3:26

      Yes and no. Yes. Yes and no. Like, I've always been that guy to some extent, but what's interesting about me, and people are always surprised when they hear this, is that I'm actually probably the most introverted person you've ever met in your life.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:36

      Really?

   9. KKKyle Kulinski3:36

      Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       You are?

   11. KKKyle Kulinski3:37

       Yes. And, uh-

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       I don't think you're def- you're definitely not the most introverted I've ever met in my life.

   13. KKKyle Kulinski3:42

       So-

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       I've met some people that could barely talk to people. You talk for a living.

   15. KKKyle Kulinski3:45

       I do talk for a living, but the thing is, I get more energy and more happiness from just being alone than I do when I'm with people. When I'm with people, it's like a drain on my energy and I need to get away and relax. But when I'm by myself, I have endless amounts of energy. And that's, you know, according to some psychologists, that's the definition of an introvert. And so-

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:02

       Mm-hmm.

   17. KKKyle Kulinski4:03

       ... even for my show, I mean, I have two different shows, Secular Talk and Chris and Kyle and Friends, but for Secular Talk which was, you know, the original, all I'm doing is monologuing for two and a half hours.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:12

       Yeah.

   19. KKKyle Kulinski4:12

       And if you're able to monologue for two and a half hours, you actually need to be somewhat introverted because I have nobody to bounce off of.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       Right.

   21. KKKyle Kulinski4:18

       So I just gotta go in my own mind and, like, branch off of other things I say. And so it surprises people when they hear that, but yeah, I know how to talk, but I'm very introverted.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       I have thoughts on that because I think it, that's like a special kind of muscle that you develop, a special type of endurance he developed. Like Bill Burr is the best at that-

   23. KKKyle Kulinski4:35

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       ... 'cause Bill, his entire podcast for years-

   25. KKKyle Kulinski4:38

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:38

       ... is just him ranting.

   27. KKKyle Kulinski4:40

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:40

       And it's, it's an amazing way for him to create new material too 'cause he's always got fresh new bits. And I think it's like a farm for his material. He's always ranting about things, but he doesn't even have anybody to bounce things off of. Tim Dillon is also fucking amazing at that. And in one way, Tim's got Bill... He- he's got, like, an advantage, is that he has this producer, Ben, who sits in on every session.

   29. KKKyle Kulinski5:05

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       And so he has, like, one guy who is right there with him, who laughs at everything he says, and so he has a one-person audience.
3. 6:41 – 9:13

   How podcast audio changes conversation: headphones, crosstalk, and why late-night interviews feel fake

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:41

      Do you guys have headphones when you have more than one guest?

   2. KKKyle Kulinski6:44

      So, um-

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:44

      Even when you have one guest, like you and Krystal, do you have, uh, wear headphones?

   4. KKKyle Kulinski6:48

      No, we don't. Uh, but most of our guests are also, uh, not there in the studio with us.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:52

      But even if they're not there-

   6. KKKyle Kulinski6:53

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:53

      ... in the studio, you should wear headphones.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski6:55

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:55

      Because headphones put your vo- voice volume at the same level as mine. So, when I'm talking or when you're talking, if I talk over you, it... I hear it and it's, like, jarring.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski7:06

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:06

       And it lets you know how the audience hears it. Because if we're doing this like this-

   12. KKKyle Kulinski7:10

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:10

       ... and we're talking at the same time and with no headphones on, that's how people talk in normal conversation, it sounds fine. It's not upsetting you, it's not upsetting to me. But when it's all condensed into one sound-

   14. KKKyle Kulinski7:21

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:22

       ... at the same volume, it's, it's really annoying to the person listening or watching.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski7:26

       That's interesting. I never thought of that before.

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:28

       Yeah. 'Cause if you're at a conversation at dinner and there's three folks talking and you occasionally talk over each other, it's normal.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski7:34

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:34

       But if you were all in each other's ear at the same volume, it would be like, ugh. It'd sound terrible.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski7:40

       Yeah. And I noticed that generally speaking, people are terrible at the whole wait until-

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:46

       Yeah.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski7:46

       ... it's your turn to talk thing.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:47

       It's-

   24. KKKyle Kulinski7:47

       Everybody just wants chaos. Everybody wants to get in over everybody else and then nobody can hear anybody basically.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:52

       Well, I feel like when you think about, like, late night talk shows or any of the things in traditional media that we've been exposed to that were people interviewing people, they didn't have to develop that skill unless you're talking about like, maybe Charlie Rose or someone who did like fairly-

   26. KKKyle Kulinski8:07

       Yeah. Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:07

       ... you know, um, Diane Sawyer or some of the people that did like longer form. Barbara Walters, longer form interviews. But it's more rare than not. And even those were weird, right? Because there's-

   28. KKKyle Kulinski8:18

       Oh, I can't stand them.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:18

       Fucking camera people there and the... Have you ever done those where people are moving around and shit? And you're like, "Hey, stop fucking moving. You guys are super distracting."

   30. KKKyle Kulinski8:27

       I don't know how that format ever really took off because through today's eyes, it just looks like an inferior product and viewing-
4. 9:13 – 12:33

   Tonight Show origins and “old-school” TV: Steve Allen, early hosts, and canceled-era comparisons

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:13

      Yeah. I... It's more you, you... It doesn't feel unusual. Like, it's a normal kind of a conversation. Whereas a Tonight Show type deal where someone's at the set. I mean, all that stuff is really stolen from Steve Allen, like from the 19... What was it? '50s, I guess? Or when?

   2. KKKyle Kulinski9:30

      I have no idea. That's the most generic name I've ever heard. Steve Allen. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:33

      You don't know who Steve Allen is?

   4. KKKyle Kulinski9:33

      I don't think I do. I could look him up.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:35

      Steve Allen was the original host of The Tonight Show.

   6. KKKyle Kulinski9:37

      Uh-huh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:37

      And then it was Jack Paar and then it was Johnny Carson.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski9:40

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:40

      I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure that's right.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski9:41

       See, my memory starts with Johnny Carson.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:43

       Yeah.

   12. KKKyle Kulinski9:43

       And I wasn't even alive when he was doing his thing, but that's the one I know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:46

       Steve Allen's like a super old school guy with a very obvious toupee, like one of them old-

   14. KKKyle Kulinski9:51

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       ... oldie kind of... You know what I mean?

   16. KKKyle Kulinski9:53

       Yes.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:53

       Old school kind of comedians. That's, that's Steve Allen.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski9:56

       Oh, I definitely don't know that guy.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:57

       We got Steve Allen with Sammy Davis Show. Was it called The Steve Allen Show at first? When, when it... Um, 1961-

   20. KKKyle Kulinski10:04

       There you go.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:04

       Make that smaller. It goes, uh, okay. The Steve Allen Show from 1956 to nine- 1960. What... When was he, um... But didn't he host The Tonight Show? D- w- g- p- Google Steve Allen The Tonight Show. Okay. The Steve Allen Show was the first in a series of primetime spinoffs from The Tonight Show. Oh, so he had The Tonight Show, all which were named after the host Jack Paar, '62 to '65 and Jay Leno, so who would follow in Allen's footsteps? That's weird. Was... But wait a minute, I'm confused. I thought Steve Allen was the host of The Tonight Show at one point in time 'cause it's saying The Steve Allen Show.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski10:46

       It says it was a spinoff. Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:48

       A spinoff from The Tonight Show, but I thought he was the host. It says, "All of which were after the host, Jack Paar and Jay..." Okay. Interesting.

   24. KKKyle Kulinski10:58

       So wha- uh, wasn't Bob Hope one of the originals or is that not the same format?

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:02

       I think that's a totally different thing.

   26. KKKyle Kulinski11:03

       Okay, I got you.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:04

       I don't think Bob Hope was... We'll see. I know that, um, Joan Rivers hosted it for a little bit, but she was like a fill-in.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski11:10

       There you go.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:11

       Okay. There it goes.

   30. KKKyle Kulinski11:11

       Steve Allen, you're right.
5. 12:33 – 16:37

   Porn theaters, adult stores in conservative states, and the strange economics of sex retail

   1. KKKyle Kulinski12:33

      So here's a question. Was it, uh, like, one of those... You know how they used to have, like, the porn theaters?

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:38

      Yes.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski12:38

      Is that where he was beating off?

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:39

      Yes. Yes.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski12:41

      Isn't that, like, the point of those things?

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:42

      That's what I thought. And I think they were trying to clean those places up-

   7. KKKyle Kulinski12:45

      Oh.

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:45

      ... 'cause I think it was a, it's a gay porn theater.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski12:47

      Okay.

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:47

       So it was probably rooted in homophobia, because I don't think they're stopping people from jerking off in regular theaters with, uh, to show porn.

   11. KKKyle Kulinski12:53

       Oh, that's an interesting theory. I never thought of that before.

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       Yeah. There was a, a theater, there was a theater, uh, right down the street from my friend Eddie's house. He used to live in, uh, West Hollywood. And it was, like, always, like, the hardest of hardcore porn, gay porn, that they were playing there.

   13. KKKyle Kulinski13:07

       Oh, my God.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:07

       And it was all like, you know, uh, b- b- black poles, white holes, like that kind of shit.

   15. KKKyle Kulinski13:12

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:12

       And it's like that's what was on the marquee.

   17. KKKyle Kulinski13:14

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:15

       You know, The Boys of Summer and, you know, you'd have, like, all these guys, like, uh, wearing bikinis, like, hugging on each other and you would drive by it and, like, I would always laugh at the different titles of them.

   19. KKKyle Kulinski13:25

       So here's a question. Who, in today's day and age, if anybody, actually goes to those giant, like, porn stores, those adult themed-

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:33

       They still exist.

   21. KKKyle Kulinski13:33

       They still exist.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:34

       You know what they-

   23. KKKyle Kulinski13:35

       Because I passed a bunch of them coming here.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:36

       Out here, yeah. Here-

   25. KKKyle Kulinski13:37

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:37

       Out here in the South they exist.

   27. KKKyle Kulinski13:37

       A lot of them in Te- a lot of them in Texas.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:39

       Yeah.

   29. KKKyle Kulinski13:39

       A lot of them in Tennessee I think we saw a bunch and I'm sitting here like, "Hold on. I thought these were the conservative states where, like, they care about family values and all that stuff." And then you got these big giant porn stores.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:48

       Yeah.
6. 16:37 – 27:41

   Biden vs. Putin optics: media narrative-building and selective honesty about cognitive decline

   1. KKKyle Kulinski16:37

      Crystal was just showing me a video that he flipped out on, at some reporter today. Did you see this? He's at this summit with Putin and Biden lost his shit. He was asked a question that he didn't like, he turned around and started yelling.

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:47

      No.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski16:47

      Yeah, no. He was very cranky, cranky old man status in this.

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:51

      Dude, he's-

   5. KKKyle Kulinski16:52

      I think it's from Fox News, Jamie, I'm, if you want to show Joe that and like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:54

      He's legitimately falling apart and it's really sad. You know what's really weird though? Is the media's... First of all, the left-wing media completely ignoring how odd it is the way he behaves. Like, the one nine-year-old girl that was sitting there with her legs crossed, like, "Look at her over there looking like a, like a 19-year-old girl with her legs crossed." Like, what the fuck are you saying? Like, what is that?

   7. KKKyle Kulinski17:16

      So there's-

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:18

      But hold on, let me finish.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski17:18

      Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:19

       But then they'll, like, pretend things are happening that aren't. Like Glenn Greenwald called it out today on Twitter. I was reading his Twitter feed. Some guy was talking about how Putin and Biden shook hands and then how Putin looked away and then Biden's looking him in the eyes as if he's trying to say that in any way Putin is scared of Joe Biden, that Joe Biden is, like, dominating Putin. Like what a bizarre... Like, and Glenn described it perfectly. Like, go to Glenn Greenwald's Twitter 'cause it's, it's so strange 'cause they do this thing where these world leaders, they shake hands and they look at the camera and they shake hands and look at the press.

   11. KKKyle Kulinski18:02

       Yeah. Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan18:03

       And so in that moment-Biden had forgotten to look at the, at the press. And he's making it seem like Biden's staring him down. He's showing him what a real man ... It's like, it's like a bizarre fantasy. Like, almost like a pro-wrestling thing. Like, you know that you can't possibly believe what you're saying is true. That Putin, who's a fucking straight-up killer, literally, and a b- judo blackbelt, who's the fucking head of s- the Soviet Union, well, whatever, Russia-

   13. KKKyle Kulinski18:31

       Former Soviet Union, Russia, yeah. Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan18:31

       Forever.

   15. KKKyle Kulinski18:32

       Yep.

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:32

       And probably will be til he dies.

   17. KKKyle Kulinski18:34

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:34

       Killed a gang of people. Killed a bunch of people-

   19. KKKyle Kulinski18:36

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:36

       ... who don't like him. Killed a bunch of people who talk shit about him. Made journalists disappear, allegedly. Allegedly, all those things I said, allegedly. Like ...

   21. KKKyle Kulinski18:44

       Handshake.

   22. Oh, there's the handshake one, okay.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:45

       Look at this. Look, they look at each other, shake in the eye, and then Putin looks away to the press. And B- so-

   24. KKKyle Kulinski18:50

       Uh, they're- (laughs) they're making something outta that.

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:51

       ... imagine.

   26. KKKyle Kulinski18:52

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:52

       Look at this, but look at this. Look, scroll up please.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski18:55

       Yeah, look at what he's doing?

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:55

       Scroll. No, no. Where you, where you had it, so I could see it. Just-

   30. KKKyle Kulinski18:59

       My best, Joe.
7. 27:41 – 31:59

   Absurd politics highlight reel: Louie Gohmert and ‘move the moon’ climate solutions

   1. JRJoe Rogan27:41

      (clears throat) This video went around last week, uh ... It almost seems fake. I, I don't think it is, just like he's saying with Bill O'Reilly. Like, this, this representative asking if the, uh, the Forest Service or Land Management can change the orbit of the moon so that climate change can be alleviated.

   2. Uh, uh, uh ...

   3. NANarrator27:59

      ... Service and the BLM ...

   4. JRJoe Rogan28:02

      Uh ...

   5. NANarrator28:02

      ... you want very much to, uh, work on the issue of climate change. I was, uh, uh, informed by the immediate past director of NASA that they have found that the moon's orbit is changing slightly and so is the Earth's orbit around the sun. Uh, we know there's been, uh, significant solar flare activity. Um, and so is there anything that the National Forest Service or BLM can do to, uh, change the course of the moon's orbit or the Earth's orbit around the sun? Obviously that would have profound effects on our climate.

   6. JRJoe Rogan28:44

      (laughs)

   7. (laughs)

   8. KKKyle Kulinski28:47

      He's my favorite Republican congressman.

   9. JRJoe Rogan28:49

      Who, who put ... Put that back-

   10. KKKyle Kulinski28:49

       He's so dumb.

   11. JRJoe Rogan28:50

       Who put that up? Who is this guy?

   12. It's Forbes. I mean, he's, uh ...

   13. He's from the air.

   14. He's from Texas.

   15. KKKyle Kulinski28:54

       His name's Louie Gohmert.

   16. JRJoe Rogan28:55

       Of course.

   17. He's from Texas. How dare you?

   18. KKKyle Kulinski28:57

       He's without a doubt the most fun Republican congressperson because he, he's got a highlight reel that's endless of him saying shit like that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan29:04

       Oh, I need to see it.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski29:05

       Oh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan29:05

       Please find more. (laughs) Can you imagine what a giant, colossal fuckup it would be if you let a guy like that do an experiment where you move the moon? "We're gonna move the moon a little bit. Just-"

   22. I would love to see the proposals of people that are gonna take the money he's offering to move the fucking moon.

   23. "Just move it a little bit. Just move it a little bit further out."

   24. Shoot a laser at it.

   25. (laughs)

   26. KKKyle Kulinski29:27

       So this guy, uh-

   27. JRJoe Rogan29:29

       (laughs)

   28. KKKyle Kulinski29:29

       ... he said that Hillary Clinton, had she been elected-

   29. JRJoe Rogan29:31

       (laughs)

   30. KKKyle Kulinski29:31

       ... she would have banned Christianity.
8. 31:59 – 33:23

   Space life theories and ‘alien mushrooms’: panspermia, spores in vacuum, and psychedelic mythology

   1. KKKyle Kulinski31:59

      There used to be, uh... Was it life on Mars?

   2. JRJoe Rogan32:02

      Yeah.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski32:02

      I don't mean, obviously, advanced life. I mean, like, you know-

   4. JRJoe Rogan32:05

      There was something.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski32:06

      There was something. Was it Mars?

   6. JRJoe Rogan32:07

      They think-

   7. KKKyle Kulinski32:07

      One of the theories as to how we started to exist is some sort of meteor or whatever coming from Mars and landing here in some primordial soup-

   8. JRJoe Rogan32:15

      Yeah.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski32:15

      ... sparking some sort of biological orgi- or- organisms. So, that would mean we're all technically martians if that's true.

   10. JRJoe Rogan32:20

       It's called panspermia. Yeah, it's a theory that biological material, like, um, amino acids and things like that are carried on asteroids when they slam into Earth. It's also a theory about mushrooms, 'cause apparently mushroom spores can survive in a vacuum. Paul Stamets explained this to me, and I-

   11. NANarrator32:39

       I want you to hear what Louis-

   12. JRJoe Rogan32:41

       Oh, damn.

   13. Sorry.

   14. No worries. Uh, Paul Stamets explained it to me in a way that, uh, I'll, I will not be able to recreate, but that the, uh, psilocybin mushrooms... Maybe it was Dennis McKenna. Psilocybin mushrooms in particular are so unusual that they're not connected to any other life form on Earth. Like, in a direct way-

   15. KKKyle Kulinski33:00

       Whoa.

   16. JRJoe Rogan33:00

       ... where we could say, "Well, it's just like this," or, "It's just like that." He was explaining something about it, and I'm gonna fuck it up, and I probably already did.

   17. KKKyle Kulinski33:07

       That's intense, though.

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:08

       Yeah.

   19. KKKyle Kulinski33:08

       I've never heard that before-

   20. JRJoe Rogan33:09

       Yeah.

   21. KKKyle Kulinski33:09

       ... and that's really, really intense.

   22. JRJoe Rogan33:10

       The idea is that they're aliens and that, that it, it is an alien life. And it's one of the reasons why when you take 'em, you feel like you are communicating with aliens, 'cause that's how they communicate with you.

   23. KKKyle Kulinski33:19

       That would be a complete mindfuck if that were real.

   24. JRJoe Rogan33:22

       It might be.

9. 33:23 – 42:37

   Microdosing and the reality question: what psychedelics feel like, and whether the experience is ‘real’

   1. KKKyle Kulinski33:23

      I mean, so, there's a lot I wanna ask you about psychedelics, because, you know, I was telling you before the show that, uh... The last time we spoke, I told you I'm notorious for getting way too high and feeling paranoid.

   2. JRJoe Rogan33:35

      Yeah.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski33:35

      And I would say that 50% or 60% of the times in my life that I smoked weed, I didn't do it a lot, but, you know, whatever, 20 or 30 times, and at least half the time, I felt really paranoid, to the point where I'd be curled up in the fetal position on my bed, afraid that something's gonna happen, and it's like, "What am I fucking afraid- I'm totally fine, I don't know why I'm afraid."

   4. JRJoe Rogan33:50

      (laughs)

   5. KKKyle Kulinski33:50

      But I was just afraid, right? So, but you told me, it was in one of our previous podcasts, you're like, "Hey, jackass, just take a couple hits. That's what you're supposed to do. You're not supposed to smoke half a blunt to the face like an idiot."

   6. JRJoe Rogan34:00

      (laughs) Like a rapper.

   7. KKKyle Kulinski34:01

      And that's what I did!

   8. JRJoe Rogan34:02

      (laughs)

   9. KKKyle Kulinski34:02

      I did it like this fucking awkward, skinny teenager-

   10. JRJoe Rogan34:05

       Yeah.

   11. KKKyle Kulinski34:05

       ... smoking a half a blunt to the face. So, anyway, when I took two or three hits, I was like, "Fuck, Joe is right. This stuff is nice."

   12. JRJoe Rogan34:12

       It's nice.

   13. KKKyle Kulinski34:13

       Yeah. So, what, what I would feel is-

   14. JRJoe Rogan34:15

       It's a little bit.

   15. KKKyle Kulinski34:16

       ... the, the most prominent thing that happened every time I did it, is I would forget everything that happened in the day previously to that point. So, whereas previously I, I'd have some sort of subconscious map of my whole day and where I was throughout the day, it made it so that that was all gone. And now I was just in the moment, in the here and now. The other thing it did is, I, I describe it as heady. It made me, like, very analytical, but analytical in the moment, where I was thinking of things I wouldn't normally think of. And other than that, it sort of, like, relaxed me. And it also makes, I feel like it makes, um, touch feel different. It makes touch feel, like, more intense.

   16. JRJoe Rogan34:52

       Yeah.

   17. KKKyle Kulinski34:53

       You know what I mean? So, those were my experiences. And now, we're thinking about potentially, um, psychedelics. So, mushrooms and, you know, I need some, I need some guidance. Uh, I think microdosing is the way to go up front, because I, I, to be honest, I'm afraid-

   18. JRJoe Rogan35:09

       Yeah.

   19. KKKyle Kulinski35:09

       ... if I go deeper than that. What should I expect from a microdose if I do it?

   20. JRJoe Rogan35:12

       Well, a, a genuine microdose essentially brings you one notch above sobriety.

   21. KKKyle Kulinski35:18

       Hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:18

       And it's almost, it's almost just like, "Oh, just a little this, just a little this." That's-

   23. KKKyle Kulinski35:23

       Is it euphoric? You feel euphoric?

   24. JRJoe Rogan35:24

       Yeah, you feel nice. You feel nice. You feel, like, a little calmer, a little more connected to things.

   25. KKKyle Kulinski35:29

       Mm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan35:29

       You feel, like, a little alleviation in anxiety. Um, there's, um, some work that's been done in the past... Oh, God, I can't remember the scientist's name, but McKenna used to bring him up all the time, that showed, uh, an increase in visual acuity and edge detection, meaning when people were on low doses of psilocybin, you can detect... Like, see how if two parallel lines, and one deviates slightly, you would be able to tell quicker with psilocybin than you would s- in sobriety.

   27. KKKyle Kulinski35:59

       Whoa.

   28. JRJoe Rogan36:00

       Yeah. So they, they, they did several tests on this, and they showed a marked increase in visual acuity for the people that took psilocybin.

   29. KKKyle Kulinski36:09

       So, do you think that it makes you tap into something that's just as real as normal, sober world that we can't access normally? Do you think that's a, a, a potential-

   30. JRJoe Rogan36:23

       It's hard to say, right? Because if you were talking to a neuroscientist and you described the effects of psychedelics, they would probably say something is severely perturbing your visual cortex. There, there, it's involved with all these chemicals and you're getting this distortion and you're getting this hallucination, and it feels amazing because, you know, you're going... It, it seems real because it's like these compounds are affecting the, the actual visuals that you receive. Especially when you close your eyes and you see these wild, crazy, like Egyptian iconography and wei- weird, crazy stuff. But-A hardcore cynic would say this is just because a chemical is perturbing your consciousness, and it's just whatever exists normally that interprets the world around you, now it's interpreting through this stuff that's not supposed to be there, and this stuff has a wild reaction.
10. 42:37 – 49:56

    Bad trips, ego control, and dream symbolism: demons, relationships, and letting go

    1. KKKyle Kulinski42:37

       Yeah, they're trying to tap out of that mindset that they're in at the moment. I mean, like, I think I'm generally a happy person, but I guess there is a little bit of a fear that if I go too deep on any of these psychedelic substances that, uh, I'm gonna dig something up that perhaps is, like, really buried deep down that I don't even know that I'm hiding. So, let me just give you a random example here. I, um... There was one time I had a dream, and every... Like, the dream was, uh, you know-... I don't wanna get gross or anything, but it was a particular kind of dream. (laughs) And, yes.

    2. JRJoe Rogan43:11

       Sex?

    3. KKKyle Kulinski43:11

       Yes.

    4. JRJoe Rogan43:12

       Okay.

    5. KKKyle Kulinski43:12

       So, at some point in it, the person who I was with turned into the scariest demon I'd ever seen in my life.

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:23

       Oh.

    7. KKKyle Kulinski43:23

       Right in front of me. Just whatever the scariest face of a demon you can imagine is, (snaps fingers) like that.

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:29

       Whoa.

    9. KKKyle Kulinski43:29

       They changed to that.

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:30

        Mm-hmm.

    11. KKKyle Kulinski43:30

        And I remember being so scared that I woke up in a cold sweat. And I was scared for, like, an hour in c- the conscious world. And I kept thinking to myself, "How the fuck was that buried in there? Like, what is that? I didn't know that was somewhere in my mind." Like, I had no idea where that came from 'cause I normally don't have scary dreams. I normally don't have sex dreams. I don't have anything like that, right? So, I guess the thing I'm afraid of with the psychedelic substances is, like, am I gonna get the equivalent of that bad dream if I uncover ... if I go too deep and I uncover something that actually is bothering me? And do I even want to do that? Because if I view myself as generally happy, which I do, then you can see where my, my drug preferences now come from. I like uppers, I like downers. I like to tweak my mood a little bit.

    12. JRJoe Rogan44:09

        Yeah.

    13. KKKyle Kulinski44:09

        But to just go into a different dimension is, like, a really scary thought.

    14. JRJoe Rogan44:12

        Hmm. Well, I'm not a dream analyst, but if I was, I would, I would analyze that and say you're probably worried about getting really close to someone who turns out to be a fucking nightmare, that you may have some, like, either some memories or some experiences with people in the past where ... You know, like, sometimes, uh, in a relationship, a person presents themself as one thing, and then the relationship gets intense and hot and heavy. You move in together, and then all of a sudden you're like, "Oh, my God. I live with a psycho." And you didn't know, right? That's, uh, that- that's happened to a friend of mine, and he had a really hard time getting her out of the house. She didn't want to leave.

    15. KKKyle Kulinski44:55

        Whoa.

    16. JRJoe Rogan44:56

        Yeah. It's crazy. Like, they, they got, they got too quick. They went too fast.

    17. KKKyle Kulinski45:00

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan45:00

        And next thing you know, you're living with a psychopath. And you're like, "I gotta get the fuck out of here," and I think he wound up moving out of his own house.

    19. KKKyle Kulinski45:07

        (gasps)

    20. JRJoe Rogan45:07

        Yeah, it was ... Crazy story, but anyway, this ... More people have had experiences where, you know, you, you think this relationship's gonna go one way, and then as time goes ... Like, how many people ... You know, like that said, uh, old Billy Joel song, The Stranger? You know, it's like-

    21. KKKyle Kulinski45:30

        Mm-hmm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan45:30

        ... kinda based on that. Like, that you get close to people and as you get close to them, you, you know, they take off the mask and you find out what they're like. So, d- you, like ... You're a busy guy. You're also a very ambitious person, and you're very involved in your work. And I think most people that have a very involved career and they're ... they have a lot going on, they're terrified of some massive inf- distraction, some massive monkey bar that gets ... or monkey wrench, rather, that gets thrown into the gears and fucks up their life. And it happens to people.

    23. KKKyle Kulinski46:01

        Yeah. I'm ac- ... I'm ... Believe it or not, I'm actually not that ambitious. I'm very, I'm very, like, orderly and structured and obsessive. So, it- it- it manifests l- into something that looks like ambition, but it's actually not ambition.

    24. JRJoe Rogan46:14

        Well, you're disciplined and you work a lot.

    25. KKKyle Kulinski46:15

        Very disciplined, yes.

    26. JRJoe Rogan46:16

        And you work a lot.

    27. KKKyle Kulinski46:16

        Very disciplined, work a lot. That is very true. Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan46:18

        A bad relationship with someone who's completely crazy could fuck that up. And you c- ... Listen, people have done that before. You get involved with someone and then all of a sudden they're stealing money for you and credit card fraud and y- w- ... People are crazy.

    29. KKKyle Kulinski46:30

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan46:31

        Like, and, and you don't know. Sometimes you don't know until you, like ... You might be with someone for, like, six months and you go, "Hey, how's it going with Shirley?" "Oh, she's great." Five months later, "Dude, let me fucking tell you."
11. 49:56 – 53:45

    Horror movies, spicy food, and genetics vs. environment: how tastes and personalities form

    1. KKKyle Kulinski49:56

       I've never been a big, uh, horror movie guy. I'm not-

    2. JRJoe Rogan49:58

       Really?

    3. KKKyle Kulinski49:58

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan49:58

       I love them.

    5. KKKyle Kulinski49:59

       Yeah, no. I don't like, uh, I'm not a big fan of that in the same way that I'm, I say I'm not a big fan of putting pain with my pleasure.

    6. JRJoe Rogan50:07

       Ah, okay.

    7. KKKyle Kulinski50:07

       Or like-

    8. JRJoe Rogan50:07

       Yeah.

    9. KKKyle Kulinski50:07

       ... getting really spicy food. It's like, "What if I made this thing I'm eating shittier?"

    10. JRJoe Rogan50:11

        You don't like spicy food?

    11. KKKyle Kulinski50:12

        It can't be very spicy. I've learned I have a little more tolerance than I thought I did. I thought I was a hardcore mild only person. But no, I can get a little bit of spice in there.

    12. JRJoe Rogan50:19

        A hardcore-

    13. KKKyle Kulinski50:19

        But once it gets-

    14. JRJoe Rogan50:20

        ... mild only person.

    15. KKKyle Kulinski50:20

        I thought I was.

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:21

        (laughs)

    17. KKKyle Kulinski50:22

        I mean, look at me.

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:22

        Like, potatoes.

    19. KKKyle Kulinski50:23

        I'm white as fuck, right?

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:25

        (laughs)

    21. KKKyle Kulinski50:25

        Like, like-

    22. JRJoe Rogan50:25

        You're a meatloaf kinda guy.

    23. KKKyle Kulinski50:27

        Uh, no. I'm not a meatloaf guy. I'm more like an eat-

    24. JRJoe Rogan50:28

        Potatoes?

    25. KKKyle Kulinski50:29

        ... fast food and die young kinda guy.

    26. JRJoe Rogan50:30

        Oh.

    27. KKKyle Kulinski50:30

        Unfortunately, yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan50:31

        Wow. Reckless.

    29. KKKyle Kulinski50:32

        Yeah, pretty reckless.

    30. JRJoe Rogan50:33

        Um, I love spicy food. I love Thai food. I love-
12. 53:45 – 1:01:03

    Predator animals and domestication: tigers vs. crocodiles, mystery cats, bobcats, and wolfdogs

    1. JRJoe Rogan53:45

       Wanna see a tiger kill a, a crocodile?

    2. KKKyle Kulinski53:48

       Fuck yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan53:48

       I didn't know a c- a tiger could kill a crocodile, but they can. So let m-

    4. KKKyle Kulinski53:52

       Let's see.

    5. JRJoe Rogan53:52

       Somebody sent me a video of a tiger fucking up a crocodile.

    6. KKKyle Kulinski53:56

       (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan53:56

       This is, this is what I do in my spare time.

    8. KKKyle Kulinski53:58

       (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan53:59

       This is so silly. But, uh, I, uh... Cats are fucking spooky, man. We were talking earlier about the cat that was in front of my house. They're spooky.

    10. KKKyle Kulinski54:08

        Yeah, a jaguar you said you thought you saw, right?

    11. JRJoe Rogan54:11

        Well-

    12. KKKyle Kulinski54:11

        Do they have them in this area?

    13. NANarrator54:12

        There used to be a dirty video of one.

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:13

        Most likely-

    15. KKKyle Kulinski54:14

        Whoa.

    16. JRJoe Rogan54:14

        ... what it is... Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's similar. Yeah, that's it. That is actually the video.

    17. KKKyle Kulinski54:20

        Whoa.

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:20

        It's a shitty vid-... It's a shitty copy of it, but look at that. It's a fucking cat taking out a big ass crocodile. Tigers are just on a complete different level than everything else. They're super predators. But look at that.

    19. KKKyle Kulinski54:33

        Look at that.

    20. JRJoe Rogan54:33

        Jesus Christ. So they kill, they kill crocodiles all the time, I guess.

    21. KKKyle Kulinski54:36

        Jesus Christ.

    22. JRJoe Rogan54:37

        (laughs) Fucking tigers are so spooky. And they're all over the place in Texas, by the way. They get out.

    23. KKKyle Kulinski54:41

        (gasps)

    24. JRJoe Rogan54:41

        One of them got out in Houston. It was wander-

    25. KKKyle Kulinski54:43

        Tigers?

    26. JRJoe Rogan54:43

        Wandering around a residential neighborhood.

    27. KKKyle Kulinski54:45

        (groans)

    28. JRJoe Rogan54:45

        Yeah. Yeah. So, I think that this cat was probably someone's pet.

    29. KKKyle Kulinski54:51

        Mm-hmm.

    30. JRJoe Rogan54:51

        And it got out 'cause it, it is a absolute dark cat. It was looking at a-
13. 1:01:03 – 1:10:48

    Estrus myths and ‘colorful monkey butts’: animal mating signals and human sexuality comparisons

    1. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:03

       So, I want to ask you an embarrassing question.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

       Oh.

    3. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:05

       This is embarrassing for me, not you. You just brought up estrus. So, that's when they're in heat.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:09

       Yes.

    5. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:09

       Right?

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

       Yes.

    7. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:11

       Um, I was under the impression that when any animal is in heat, that if you put your hands up to that area-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

       Mm-hmm.

    9. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:18

       ... it's hot. It's warm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

        (laughs) Well, I mean, blood flow increases to the area, so it would be warmer. But I don't think it would be like a fire.

    11. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:28

        I, uh, no, I'm not saying it's like a fire.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:29

        You could cook a marshmallow-

    13. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:30

        But I, uh-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

        ... over, over a cat pussy.

    15. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:32

        (laughs) Cat pussy marshmallow.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

        (laughs)

    17. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:36

        I, I was having this conversation with somebody and I brought that up and we looked it up. It's not true.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

        It's not?

    19. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:40

        No. So when you say it's in heat, I don't know why they call it heat, but there's no actual heat that comes from it.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:46

        Hmm. That is... Well, I guess 'cause it's heated up. But when you have extra blood flow to an area, doesn't that area get warmer?

    21. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:52

        I don't know, man. I thought exactly what you're saying right now. That I don't know the mechanism of why it got warmer, but I thought, "They fucking call it 'in heat'," so of course it's gonna be warmer.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:00

        I think it's just heating up, you know? Like, ooh, getting ready to go at it. I think like if you put a tourniquet on-

    23. KKKyle Kulinski1:02:04

        Yeah, estrus is the technical term, like you said.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:06

        Yes.

    25. KKKyle Kulinski1:02:06

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:07

        I think if you put a tourniquet on... Well, really, it's like how would it get warmer? Just that means more blood. Why would it be warmer? It'd just be more b- you know, just more swollen. What's really crazy is monkeys. Like some monkeys where their, their butt holes s- flare up and they give crazy colors when they're in estrus. Do you know that?

    27. KKKyle Kulinski1:02:26

        I didn't know that. So wait, do they want to fuck more in the ass when they're in estrus?

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:30

        No. (laughs)

    29. KKKyle Kulinski1:02:30

        No?

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:30

        No, no. It's not an ass thing. It's a, like a signaling thing.

Episode duration: 2:58:09