Joe Rogan Experience #1677 - Tim Dillon

1. 0:00 – 2:21

   Quitting caffeine, addictive personalities, and the pull of cigarettes

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) How you doing?

   4. TDTim Dillon0:15

      How are you?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      I'm wonderful. How are you?

   6. TDTim Dillon0:16

      Thank you for having me.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      I didn't know you have no caffeine.

   8. TDTim Dillon0:19

      No caffeine, uh, for years.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      How many years?

   10. TDTim Dillon0:23

       About two.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       What is that like?

   12. TDTim Dillon0:26

       Um, you sleep better.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       That's what I hear.

   14. TDTim Dillon0:29

       Yeah. I was drinking coffee in the morning and then having to... I would drink a cup at, like, 4:00. And I would drink a, a cup at 4:00. That would keep me up till 3:00 AM every night.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Mm.

   16. TDTim Dillon0:41

       Yeah. So I had to stop, 'cause I, I'm an addict. I have addictive personality, and anything can become habitual.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Yeah.

   18. TDTim Dillon0:50

       So I had to be careful.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       I think I'm an addict too.

   20. TDTim Dillon0:53

       Well, you control it better than most.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Yeah, but it's the same, it's the same thing, like-

   22. TDTim Dillon0:58

       You are the, you would be the definition of a high-functioning addict.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       This has 300 milligrams of caffeine.

   24. TDTim Dillon1:03

       Now, what does that do?

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       (laughs)

   26. TDTim Dillon1:04

       A- when you drink that, how do you feel?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       Sleep like a baby.

   28. TDTim Dillon1:07

       Really?

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       I could go to sleep under this table. (laughs)

   30. TDTim Dillon1:09

       Interesting. (laughs)
2. 2:21 – 6:03

   Smoking rituals: Comedy Store nights, driving highs, and relapse cycles

   1. TDTim Dillon2:21

      But I quit, you know, I quit for 17 days. So I didn't smoke for 17 days.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:25

      Yeah?

   3. TDTim Dillon2:25

      And then I just start in, and then I'll quit for two months, and then I'll start. It's, uh, it's very compulsive and very bad.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:31

      And when you smoke, do you smoke before shows? Do you smoke all day long?

   5. TDTim Dillon2:35

      I, I don't smoke as much in the day, but I will smoke, uh, maybe I'll have one or two during the day, but at night, 'cause I like to talk and bullshit.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:44

      Yeah.

   7. TDTim Dillon2:45

      So if I have a captive audience of people, like, i- in my house, in my backyard, or in the, the, you know, at the Comedy Store, if we're all standing in the, uh, parking lot, whatever it is, it's just the smoking... I was-

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:58

      Yeah.

   9. TDTim Dillon2:58

      ... in Denver, and when it's humid, you don't wanna smoke, it doesn't feel good, but when you're in Denver and it's cool nights, like LA-

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       Mm-hmm.

   11. TDTim Dillon3:05

       ... you just, you're a chimney, it feels great. I mean, it doesn't feel great, but it does.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       Well, it gives you a nice head rush.

   13. TDTim Dillon3:10

       It gives you a nice head rush. And of all the things I've been addicted to, cocaine, booze, pills, you know, this is the hardest to get rid of.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:19

       Really?

   15. TDTim Dillon3:19

       Truly.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       Wow.

   17. TDTim Dillon3:20

       This is the hardest to, to knock. Because I don't look... When somebody's drinking, I look at it, I go, "Okay, it doesn't look good to me." It doesn't... I associate it with so much trauma-

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       Mm.

   19. TDTim Dillon3:31

       ... that I go, "I can't grab that glass of whiskey, it'd be a problem." But i- it really is, I'm just like, "Ah, it's just a cigarette. Just a cigarette." And it's, um, it's a very tough addiction.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       Is it a, is it that it's just a cigarette, like, y- you think it's no big deal to smoke it 'cause it's not gonna fuck you up, it's not gonna get you drunk? Like-

   21. TDTim Dillon3:51

       Well, there's that, then there's the addict brain that goes, "We're having one."

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:57

       (laughs)

   23. TDTim Dillon3:57

       "We're having one."

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:59

       (laughs)

   25. TDTim Dillon3:59

       We speak in the royal we, we go "we".

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       (laughs)

   27. TDTim Dillon4:01

       The addict brain is very interesting because it's a part of you, but it's also separate.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:05

       Right.

   29. TDTim Dillon4:05

       So it's like a separate part of you that isn't... It, it's somebody else that's in there that goes, it goes, "Here's what we're gonna do." And you start listening, you start going-

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       (laughs)
3. 6:03 – 7:55

   Range Rover problems and Joe’s case for the Escalade lifestyle

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:03

      We were talking about Range Rovers before-

   2. TDTim Dillon6:05

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:05

      ... about your Range Rovers fucking up. And you know what I really just realized while we were saying this? You should be in a Cadillac. You should get a fucking Escalade.

   4. TDTim Dillon6:13

      That's true.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:13

      Have you driven one of the new ones?

   6. TDTim Dillon6:15

      Um, I have not.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:16

      They're fantastic.

   8. TDTim Dillon6:17

      It's a real Tony Soprano car.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:18

      Oh, my... The new ones are so good.

   10. TDTim Dillon6:21

       I wanna check them out.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:22

       We've driven a couple of them-

   12. TDTim Dillon6:23

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:23

       ... when, whenever we, uh, whenever I go to do a gig.

   14. TDTim Dillon6:26

       They're so big.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:26

       Dude, they're easy to drive.

   16. TDTim Dillon6:28

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:28

       They're, they're no bigger than your, your truck.

   18. TDTim Dillon6:30

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:30

       Maybe slightly bigger than your Range Rover-

   20. TDTim Dillon6:32

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       ... but so comfortable, dude.

   22. TDTim Dillon6:34

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:34

       First of all, I know you like comfort.

   24. TDTim Dillon6:36

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       You like that kind of thing.

   26. TDTim Dillon6:37

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:37

       It... They, they have this magnetic ride. It's adjustable magnetic ride thing. I don't know the technology behind it, but it fucking absorbs shit. Like, bumps in the road, just... (makes flatulent sound)

   28. TDTim Dillon6:48

       Just goes, goes right by.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       Smooth it over.

   30. TDTim Dillon6:50

       Yeah.
4. 7:55 – 10:03

   Tim’s chaotic driving past: totaled cars, hit-and-runs, and suspended licenses

   1. TDTim Dillon7:55

      I drove BMW Alpinas, one of the fastest sedans, and I was just driving it like 180 miles an hour to go to Ralph's, and I said, "This is gonna end up being a problem. I'm gonna kill myself or somebody else."

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:05

      Mm-hmm.

   3. TDTim Dillon8:05

      I just... I, I'm not a great driver. That's the other thing, I'm not a great driver. I've totaled five cars.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:10

      (laughs)

   5. TDTim Dillon8:11

      Not recently, but I've totaled five cars.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:13

      In the booze days?

   7. TDTim Dillon8:14

      Um, in, back in those days. Uh, a few hit and runs, nothing crazy.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:17

      (laughs)

   9. TDTim Dillon8:17

      No one got hurt. No one got hurt. It's just a horrible way to meet someone. So, I would always leave the scene, but I was a bad driver. And I remember I, uh, I was in a car with my secretary, one of the secretaries who worked in my mortgage office, and we, you know, I made like a left turn from the right lane and we hit a car head on and her head bounced off the, um, glove box of the car.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       Oh.

   11. TDTim Dillon8:38

       And she had a big... We were going to get drugs. I mean, you know, and she's fine now. And she wasn't a triathlete. It wasn't like she was... But she-

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:47

       (laughs)

   13. TDTim Dillon8:47

       She hit her... You know what I mean? It wasn't, it wasn't... She was... We were both, you know-

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:52

       We both fucked up.

   15. TDTim Dillon8:52

       We're sedentary.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:53

       Yeah.

   17. TDTim Dillon8:54

       But she hit her head and, um, it was a bowling ball sized welt-

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:58

       Oh, my god.

   19. TDTim Dillon8:58

       ... that filled up with, like, blood or pus in the car. Like, immediately.

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:02

       Oh, Jesus.

   21. TDTim Dillon9:02

       And we got out of the car and I looked at her, I'm like, "Man, I'm fucked." And then I didn't drive for, like, a year. Um, I've had my license suspended over 20 times.

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:11

       20 times?

   23. TDTim Dillon9:11

       Yeah, because I didn't pay tickets.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:14

       (laughs)

   25. TDTim Dillon9:14

       So, in Long Island, they would suspend your li-

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:17

       (laughs)

   27. TDTim Dillon9:17

       And it's a serious crime in Long Island. So, I've been to jail just for a few hours, but because I drove with a suspended license. Like, they-

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       Wow.

   29. TDTim Dillon9:25

       They take you to jail and then you have to get bailed out. I mean, I had to pay thousands of dollars... So, I'm not a great... So, there's something about a comfortable car where I'm just like, "Let's just chill."

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:34

       Mm-hmm. I get it.
5. 10:03 – 11:52

   Muscle cars, American design nostalgia, and arguing about “the good old era”

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:03

      No, I do like driving comfortable cars, don't get me wrong. It's just, uh, I... When I grew up, when I was a young boy, the cars that I would see, like, when I worked at a gas station, they would drive by, they were always American muscle cars.

   2. TDTim Dillon10:15

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:15

      Like, "Oh, look at that fucking thing."

   4. TDTim Dillon10:17

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:18

      It's like there's a... Something burned into my DNA-

   6. TDTim Dillon10:21

      Of course.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:21

      ... that loves those 1960s, early 1970s muscle cars.

   8. TDTim Dillon10:25

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:25

      I just-

   10. TDTim Dillon10:25

       Talking about, like, Mustangs and things like that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:27

       Oh, love them.

   12. TDTim Dillon10:28

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:28

       Love them. I ca- I can't get enough of them.

   14. TDTim Dillon10:30

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:30

       When I see them, like, I get excited.

   16. TDTim Dillon10:32

       About those cars. Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:33

       Yeah. Like, my friend Corey came to my house today and they had a 1968 GMC truck that, that, uh, had been rebuilt and it was, uh, beautiful.

   18. TDTim Dillon10:42

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       And I just... I... Something, I see those, I go, "Ah."

   20. TDTim Dillon10:45

       You get excited, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:46

       "Look at that fucking thing. Ah."

   22. TDTim Dillon10:48

       Yeah, it's toxic masculinity. That's what it is.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       It's appreciation of, uh, American art is what it is.

   24. TDTim Dillon10:53

       That, that was probably one of the best eras in America. And if you look at, like, the architecture, that mid-century modern architecture where you can find it in, like, Palm Springs and, and, you know, parts of California and everywhere, but they, it's really concentrated there, that was the era when we were killing it-

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:08

       Yeah.

   26. TDTim Dillon11:08

       ... across the board-

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:09

       Yeah.

   28. TDTim Dillon11:09

       ... with what we were making.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:11

       Manufacturing.

   30. TDTim Dillon11:12

       Manufacturing. Like, we were making-
6. 11:52 – 22:01

   Transracialism, neo-pronouns, and what gets culturally encouraged

   1. TDTim Dillon11:52

      I am seeing people legitimately tweeting-

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:56

      Yeah.

   3. TDTim Dillon11:56

      ... "Transracial rights are human rights."

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:58

      Of course.

   5. TDTim Dillon11:59

      They're legitimately-

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:00

      Yeah.

   7. TDTim Dillon12:01

      ... trying to... Transracialism. There was a guy who got kicked off Twitter-

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:04

      Yeah.

   9. TDTim Dillon12:04

      ... a few years ago. He was really funny and he had a, a parody account where he would write #wrongskin. Like, and he was saying that he's black, he's the whitest guy alive.

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:16

       Right.

   11. TDTim Dillon12:16

       And he was, he was saying, "I was born in the wrong skin," but it was just... He was a comic. I used to go back and forth with him on-

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:21

       Right.

   13. TDTim Dillon12:22

       ... on DMs. I thought he was hilarious. I'm like-

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:23

       Right.

   15. TDTim Dillon12:23

       ... "Dude, your fucking account's brilliant." And he was just fucking around. That was his thing. And he was always promoting this transracial thing, but he was doing it just as a troll, 'cause people would freak out-

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:34

       Right.

   17. TDTim Dillon12:34

       ... they didn't realize it was a parody, they'd get mad at him.

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:36

       ... but people are actually fucking saying it now. And do you see that, the pop guy-

   19. TDTim Dillon12:41

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:41

       ... in England?

   21. TDTim Dillon12:42

       The K-pop fan who, who had plastic surgery to make himself Korean.

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:46

       Yeah. He says he identifies-

   23. TDTim Dillon12:47

       And-

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:47

       ... as being Korean.

   25. TDTim Dillon12:48

       And you know who actually, and Jamie might look this up 'cause I believe I'm correct, I believe Rachel Dolezal-

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       Rachel Dolezal-

   27. TDTim Dillon12:53

       ... said, "I support this guy."

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       Yes.

   29. TDTim Dillon12:55

       And that's real, right?

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:56

       Yes. Yes, it's real.
7. 22:01 – 33:35

   Gendered spaces flashpoint: the LA spa incident and ‘forced compliance’

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:01

      Well, not, not just an insane world, but part of what's going on with these people is forced compliance. Like, they want you to agree to their list of demands, like people with penises should be able to go into women's bathroom. Like, you saw-

   2. TDTim Dillon22:13

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:13

      ... that thing that happened in Los Angeles at the spa.

   4. TDTim Dillon22:15

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:15

      Where this lady's like, "There's a guy in the women's room walking around with his dick hanging out."

   6. TDTim Dillon22:19

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:19

      And I don't know. Was she with a child?

   8. TDTim Dillon22:21

      I don't know.

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:22

      Possibly.

   10. TDTim Dillon22:23

       Was she with a child?

   11. NANarrator22:24

       I-

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:24

       But she-

   13. NANarrator22:25

       I don't know.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:25

       I don't remember if she was with, with a child, but she was fucking furious. And they were like, "Well, that person identifies as a woman." She's like, "Well, I'm looking at his dick."

   15. TDTim Dillon22:32

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:33

       Like, this is crazy. So now-

   17. TDTim Dillon22:34

       You should have to commit, I think, with-

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:37

       But people-

   19. TDTim Dillon22:37

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:37

       ... are protesting-

   21. TDTim Dillon22:38

       Yes.

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:38

       ... now-

   23. TDTim Dillon22:39

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:39

       ... against that spa.

   25. TDTim Dillon22:40

       Of course.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:40

       They're organizing this big...

   27. TDTim Dillon22:42

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:42

       They're saying, "Mask up and let's smash r- uh, trans hate."

   29. TDTim Dillon22:46

       Right. Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:48

       Exclusive. Saturday showdown is in the work for over, over trans blow up at Y Spa. Like, this is how crazy it is. This is how crazy it is. Mineral salt massages and hydro dermabrasion facials weren't enough to calm the nerves of some patrons at the Y... We Spa?
8. 33:35 – 39:54

   Foreign manipulation, troll farms, and ‘panic porn’ on both political sides

   1. JRJoe Rogan33:35

      I'm more... This is what I was gonna say earlier. I'm, I am legitimately worried that a part of what's going on online is being facilitated by foreign entities.

   2. TDTim Dillon33:43

      Sure.

   3. JRJoe Rogan33:43

      And that they're manipulating people psychologically by pushing the envelope with this crazy shit. Because the thing is, if you get enough people to push in a certain direction, a lot of these people that we're talking about, uh, legitimately are insane.

   4. TDTim Dillon33:55

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan33:56

      And they will back up some new... Look, I was looking at a guy who I know is a fucking professor who was saying that if you have sex with a 13-year-old, if that 13-year-old consents and enjoys it, who's a criminal? What are you supposed to do about this? I was w-... Somebody sent me this and I was like, "This is..." This guy used to be on my, he'd been on my podcast before.

   6. TDTim Dillon34:18

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan34:18

      And I'm watching this argument, I'm like, "This is patently insane."

   8. TDTim Dillon34:22

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan34:22

      You're talking about a grown adult, a 40-year-old having sex with a 13-year-old?

   10. TDTim Dillon34:26

       With a child, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan34:27

       A baby.

   12. TDTim Dillon34:27

       It's crazy.

   13. JRJoe Rogan34:28

       It's fucking nuts.

   14. TDTim Dillon34:29

       It's absurd.

   15. JRJoe Rogan34:30

       But these kind of ideas get promoted and pushed, and it gets to the point where people start accepting this as something that you should accept.

   16. TDTim Dillon34:38

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan34:38

       And they start pushing it.

   18. TDTim Dillon34:39

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan34:39

       And you gotta go, "Wh- where is this fucking coming from?" Is this coming from a legitimate delusional person that doesn't understand how human psychology is? Or a person who is just a contrarian, that whenever something is a taboo in society, they're gonna go, "Well, why?"

   20. TDTim Dillon34:54

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan34:54

       "Why is it bad to kill old people?"

   22. TDTim Dillon34:56

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan34:56

       "Wouldn't it be better, do you d- Right. ... would you rather have them suffer? Or just put a bullet in their head while they're sleeping?"

   24. TDTim Dillon35:01

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan35:01

       You know? Like, imag- y- you start seeing how someone could make really crazy fucking arguments for things, and you, you start wondering how many of these people that are pushing these crazy arguments actually believe in? And how much of it... 'Cause we know it's a certain percentage. We know for a fact, from Renee DiResta's work with the Internet Research Agency where she's gone over these Russian troll accounts i- in Russ- where they, they literally, they have a farm, or there, there's a fucking pla- a building where people are hired to fuck with people.

   26. TDTim Dillon35:30

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan35:30

       They're hired, they, they organized a Texas separatist, um, convention across the street from a pro-Muslim convention-

   28. TDTim Dillon35:38

       Yeah, to, to start problems.

   29. JRJoe Rogan35:38

       ... just to facilitate a fight.

   30. TDTim Dillon35:40

       Yeah.
9. 39:54 – 44:05

   January 6th, informants, and the history of infiltration & provocation

   1. JRJoe Rogan39:54

      Well, I've been reading things-

   2. TDTim Dillon39:55

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan39:55

      ... about the Capitol Hill attack that-

   4. TDTim Dillon39:57

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan39:57

      ... have been fascinating.

   6. TDTim Dillon39:57

      Really?

   7. JRJoe Rogan39:58

      There's a lot of people that believe that informants, and not just informants, but people working for the government were a part of the manipulation of the Capitol Hill attack the same way... You know, yeah-

   8. TDTim Dillon40:08

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan40:08

      ... you ever, you know the story, we talked about it before recently in the podcast about there was a 19-year-old re- kind of dumb kid who, uh, the FBI tricked this kid into thinking that he had a bomb and detonating this bomb. They talked him into it.

   10. TDTim Dillon40:22

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan40:22

       They, they made-

   12. TDTim Dillon40:23

       They do it all the time.

   13. JRJoe Rogan40:23

       ... him an extremist. They ga-

   14. TDTim Dillon40:25

       They do it all the time.

   15. JRJoe Rogan40:25

       ... they gave him-

   16. TDTim Dillon40:26

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan40:26

       ... the bomb, gave him a cellphone to detonate the bomb. He tries to detonate the bomb, and then the FBI arrests him.

   18. TDTim Dillon40:33

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan40:33

       And then he's in jail for fucking the rest of his life or whatever. But they manipulated him and got him to the point where he acted.

   20. TDTim Dillon40:39

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan40:39

       And there's people that are saying that there's some people that believe, and I, I, I'm gonna be careful at how I say this, 'cause I don't know what's real and what's not.

   22. TDTim Dillon40:47

       No, let's get a good clip. Just speak. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan40:51

       (laughs) Let's do numbers. There are people that believe that there was some manipulation involved in some of these extremist groups.

   24. TDTim Dillon40:57

       Well, there always is.

   25. JRJoe Rogan40:57

       Some of these pro-Trump extremist-

   26. TDTim Dillon40:59

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan40:59

       ... groups in that they talked these people into attacking the Capitol Hill building. Now, here's where it gets weird.

   28. TDTim Dillon41:05

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan41:05

       Have you ever seen the videos of cops opening up the gates-

   30. TDTim Dillon41:08

       That is very strange.
10. 44:05 – 46:29

    CIA, LSD-era operations, and ‘Chaos’—from Laurel Canyon to social movements

    1. TDTim Dillon44:05

       Of course. And it delegitimizes any of, you know... There was a great argument about the hippie movement in America. The hippie movement in America s- the, the Vietnam War, uh, opposition to the Vietnam War started with the Catholic Church. It started with very, um, you know, it started with priests. It started with people that were saying, "We're against, we're non-violent. We don't think we should do this. It's not our fight." And then it became drenched in psychedelic drugs. It became about free lo- and, and if you look at who's pushing all of that, it is a lot of these, um, interesting cults and groups that have real ties to US intelligence, and that's a fact. And it doesn't mean that it wouldn't have happened anyway. Maybe they sped it up, maybe they accelerated it. But you're looking at, you know, the CIA working with Timothy Leary. You're looking at a lot of those weird cults and stuff having some relationship with intelligence. And if you look at, like, especially California, Laurel Canyon, in that area-

    2. JRJoe Rogan45:01

       Oh, yeah.

    3. TDTim Dillon45:02

       ... it is very, very strange. That book, you had that guy on your show.

    4. JRJoe Rogan45:05

       Chaos.

    5. TDTim Dillon45:05

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan45:05

       Tom O'Neill.

    7. TDTim Dillon45:06

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan45:06

       That.

    9. TDTim Dillon45:06

       Tom O'Neill.

    10. JRJoe Rogan45:06

        Incredible book. Uh, and I brought it up the other day with Quentin Tarantino.

    11. TDTim Dillon45:10

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan45:10

        And Tarantino, uh, had read it as well.

    13. TDTim Dillon45:12

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan45:13

        I think he r- did he say he read it after he wrote the script?

    15. NANarrator45:16

        Dern, I think he talked... I think he said he's got, like, he talked to him for sure.

    16. JRJoe Rogan45:19

        Yeah.

    17. NANarrator45:19

        I, I think it was after though.

    18. JRJoe Rogan45:20

        Yeah. I think after, he really f- what, did the deep dive and found out how fucking crazy the whole CIA experiments with LSD are.

    19. TDTim Dillon45:27

        Oh, yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan45:28

        To the point where the, uh... M- my wife's mom was a hippie in Haight-Ashbury back in the dizze. And now, if you met her, she's, like, super nice grandma-

    21. TDTim Dillon45:38

        Right.

    22. JRJoe Rogan45:38

        ... lady you would never imagine.

    23. TDTim Dillon45:39

        Right.

    24. JRJoe Rogan45:39

        But back in the day, she used to go to the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic, which was literally run by the CIA.

    25. TDTim Dillon45:46

        Crazy.

    26. JRJoe Rogan45:46

        And that's where Manson and all those guys were getting acid from.

    27. TDTim Dillon45:49

        Right.

    28. JRJoe Rogan45:50

        And then right after Tom O'Neill's book comes out, the, the, the, the fucking Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic had been around for decades.

    29. TDTim Dillon45:56

        Right.

    30. JRJoe Rogan45:57

        After Tom O'Neill's book, couple months later-
11. 46:29 – 51:34

    From protest ‘pallets of bricks’ to ‘is anything real?’—curating chaos and division

    1. TDTim Dillon46:29

       Absolutely anything is possible. When you saw the riots in LA and you saw these teams of people, um, burning cars-

    2. JRJoe Rogan46:37

       The recent riots?

    3. TDTim Dillon46:38

       The, the-

    4. JRJoe Rogan46:38

       The George Floyd?

    5. TDTim Dillon46:39

       The George Floyd riots. But there were, like, teams of really skilled people going in there. And, like, there were cop cars that were, like, abandoned. Why are there cop cars abandoned?

    6. JRJoe Rogan46:48

       Right.

    7. TDTim Dillon46:48

       Who's abandoning a cop car in the middle of a street before the riot- Weird things happen when you start seeing to yourself, like, I think the idea that chaos makes people more compliant and makes people go, "Hey, whatever new laws you guys need to pass, do it."

    8. JRJoe Rogan47:04

       How about the pallets of rocks and bricks that were left around?

    9. TDTim Dillon47:07

       Crazy. Crazy.

    10. JRJoe Rogan47:08

        That's real shit.

    11. TDTim Dillon47:09

        It's crazy.

    12. JRJoe Rogan47:09

        And people say, "Oh, it's... This is a, a baseless conspiracy theory. There were actual construction jobs going on at the time."

    13. TDTim Dillon47:17

        Yeah. No.

    14. JRJoe Rogan47:17

        Listen, nonsense.

    15. TDTim Dillon47:18

        Nonsense.

    16. JRJoe Rogan47:18

        Take it from someone who's worked in construction.

    17. TDTim Dillon47:20

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan47:20

        They don't just pull fucking-

    19. TDTim Dillon47:22

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan47:22

        ... pallets of bricks and leave them laying around where they know there's gonna be riots.

    21. TDTim Dillon47:26

        It's an absolute possibility that no matter what... If there is a threat to the mainstream, if there is a threat to the system, making those people as ex- seem as extreme as humanly possible, and a lot of them are, but making them seem really crazy and really violent delegitimizes all of their good points.

    22. JRJoe Rogan47:44

        Yeah.

    23. TDTim Dillon47:44

        And what it allows is it allows people to then dismiss anything that comes from that group.

    24. JRJoe Rogan47:52

        Exactly.

    25. TDTim Dillon47:52

        Or that, that, you know, whatever, that e- that, that base of ideas.

    26. JRJoe Rogan47:56

        Did anybody ever do an investigation on the plates of, uh, the pallets of bricks, like a legitimate independent organization do an investigation to figure out what the fuck was going on? Because so many people that were showing up at these protests, and even where there were no construction sites-

    27. TDTim Dillon48:13

        Right.

    28. JRJoe Rogan48:13

        ... would find these pallets of bricks.

    29. TDTim Dillon48:15

        Pallets of bricks.

    30. JRJoe Rogan48:16

        Like, what in the fuck?
12. 51:34 – 58:24

    YouTube demonetization, corporate speech control, and why platforms shape behavior

    1. TDTim Dillon51:34

       "You can't do it." And again, I think it's just, it, it, it's this just people need to be controlled and they'll just... You know, they'll do it through tech and, which is why it's fucked up what happened to the Weinsteins who are, I don't know if you know this, massive fans of yours truly. But, uh-

    2. JRJoe Rogan51:49

       Weinsteins.

    3. TDTim Dillon51:51

       Is it Weinsteins?

    4. JRJoe Rogan51:51

       Yeah. Weinstein is Harvey. Weinstein is Eric and Bret.

    5. TDTim Dillon51:55

       They're not related?

    6. JRJoe Rogan51:56

       No.

    7. TDTim Dillon51:56

       Kidding. Clip that. Anyway.

    8. JRJoe Rogan51:57

       (laughs)

    9. TDTim Dillon51:59

       I, I think it was so fucked up that they were demonetized. I think it's crazy and I think that's really what they're gonna do. They're gonna make it not profitable to go against the grain.

    10. JRJoe Rogan52:10

        Yes.

    11. TDTim Dillon52:11

        And then once it's not profitable, less people do it.

    12. JRJoe Rogan52:15

        Exactly.

    13. TDTim Dillon52:15

        And then they've, they've won.

    14. JRJoe Rogan52:17

        Well, demonetizing was something that troubled me on YouTube in-

    15. TDTim Dillon52:21

        Right.

    16. JRJoe Rogan52:21

        ... a, a particular because it's a form of self-censorship. You find out-

    17. TDTim Dillon52:24

        Right.

    18. JRJoe Rogan52:24

        Like, they would demonetize a certain percentage of our videos. And you would find out about it, like, Jamie would go, "They demonetized that video." We'd be like, "Why?" Like it did, "Oh, you talked about the election," or, "Oh, you talked about..." But we didn't even say anything bad.

    19. TDTim Dillon52:38

        Crazy.

    20. JRJoe Rogan52:38

        It, it did, it was, it was nuts. It was like there's certain subjects where you couldn't touch and if you touched them, automatically (snaps fingers) you're, and then you'd have to appeal and sometimes you'd win the appeal and sometimes you didn't. Here's when we found out that it was all horse shit.

    21. TDTim Dillon52:50

        Right.

    22. JRJoe Rogan52:51

        As soon as we switched over to Spotify 'cause when we switched over to Spotify, magically all of our videos were available for monetization. So for the three months-

    23. TDTim Dillon53:02

        Yeah, we got nothing.

    24. JRJoe Rogan53:02

        ... that we were on YouTube and Spotify where, uh, they were, it was on both, they, they let us monetize everything because they wanted to make the money off of it. They're like, "Look, he's leaving."

    25. TDTim Dillon53:12

        Right.

    26. JRJoe Rogan53:13

        "He's gonna go to Spotify."

    27. TDTim Dillon53:14

        So it was basically nothing?

    28. JRJoe Rogan53:16

        Well, it's, it's based-

    29. TDTim Dillon53:17

        Well, it's like-

    30. JRJoe Rogan53:17

        ... in arbitrary decision making-
13. 58:24 – 1:09:06

    9/11 debates: Building 7, Saudi links, Pentagon footage, and what remains unknown

    1. JRJoe Rogan58:24

       Here's a good example. Here's a good example why the, the discussion about Building 7 and the collapse is not valid.

    2. TDTim Dillon58:31

       It is. It's so valid.

    3. JRJoe Rogan58:32

       Like, but, but here's why, here's why. This building in Miami that just collapsed.

    4. TDTim Dillon58:36

       Yes.

    5. JRJoe Rogan58:36

       It collapsed the exact same way.

    6. TDTim Dillon58:37

       No, it didn't. Half of it's still there.

    7. JRJoe Rogan58:40

       Right.

    8. TDTim Dillon58:40

       Building 7 came down-

    9. JRJoe Rogan58:40

       But the part that came down, came down the exact same way.

    10. TDTim Dillon58:43

        Sure.

    11. JRJoe Rogan58:44

        Came down like a controlled demolition.

    12. TDTim Dillon58:45

        But it didn't all come down.

    13. JRJoe Rogan58:46

        Right, because the whole thing wasn't on fire from the basement with giant diesel tanks.

    14. TDTim Dillon58:50

        Yeah, but-

    15. JRJoe Rogan58:50

        Like Building 7.

    16. TDTim Dillon58:51

        But it was built in a very fucked up way. I think we're gonna find out-

    17. JRJoe Rogan58:54

        Right.

    18. TDTim Dillon58:54

        ... how fucked up it was built. Building 7, to, to believe that, we'd have to believe that Building 7 was, like, done on the cheap. Building 7 was, like, this massive building that had n- uh, really didn't have any structural problems. It was on fire for a few hours, and then it fell-

    19. JRJoe Rogan59:08

        Yeah, but it fell slowly.

    20. TDTim Dillon59:10

        ... entirely.

    21. JRJoe Rogan59:10

        Do you know the i-... The middle of it fell first.

    22. TDTim Dillon59:12

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan59:12

        There's a guy that had a great YouTube video, and I'd love to talk to you about this. I'm excited we're talking about this.

    24. TDTim Dillon59:16

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan59:17

        There's a guy who had a great YouTube video, and he was a full-on 9/11 truther.

    26. TDTim Dillon59:21

        Yes.

    27. JRJoe Rogan59:21

        But then he did a deeper dive into understanding what was going on during the fire and how the thing collapsed. And the videos that you would watch, where it showed the whole thing collapse at free fall speeds, he was like, it, what they didn't show you is that minutes before that-

    28. TDTim Dillon59:35

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan59:35

        ... the center of it had collapsed.

    30. TDTim Dillon59:37

        Right.

Episode duration: 2:27:38