Joe Rogan Experience #1677 - Tim Dillon

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0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) How you doing?

Tim Dillon 0:15 How are you?

Joe Rogan 0:15 I'm wonderful. How are you?

Tim Dillon 0:16 Thank you for having me.

Joe Rogan 0:17 I didn't know you have no caffeine.

Tim Dillon 0:19 No caffeine, uh, for years.

Joe Rogan 0:21 How many years?

Tim Dillon 0:23 About two.

Joe Rogan 0:25 What is that like?

Tim Dillon 0:26 Um, you sleep better.

Joe Rogan 0:28 That's what I hear.

Tim Dillon 0:29 Yeah. I was drinking coffee in the morning and then having to... I would drink a cup at, like, 4:00. And I would drink a, a cup at 4:00. That would keep me up till 3:00 AM every night.

Joe Rogan 0:40 Mm.

Tim Dillon 0:41 Yeah. So I had to stop, 'cause I, I'm an addict. I have addictive personality, and anything can become habitual.

Joe Rogan 0:50 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 0:50 So I had to be careful.

Joe Rogan 0:52 I think I'm an addict too.

Tim Dillon 0:53 Well, you control it better than most.

Joe Rogan 0:56 Yeah, but it's the same, it's the same thing, like-

Tim Dillon 0:58 You are the, you would be the definition of a high-functioning addict.

Joe Rogan 1:01 This has 300 milligrams of caffeine.

Tim Dillon 1:03 Now, what does that do?

Joe Rogan 1:04 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:04 A- when you drink that, how do you feel?

Joe Rogan 1:06 Sleep like a baby.

Tim Dillon 1:07 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:08 I could go to sleep under this table. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:09 Interesting. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:11 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:12 That's... 300 millile- What does a regular cup of coffee have?

Joe Rogan 1:15 That's not even 100, I don't believe.

Tim Dillon 1:18 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:18 I think if you go to Starbucks and get one of them whammy-jammy 20-ouncers-

Tim Dillon 1:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22 ... I think that's a couple hundred milligrams, right? Didn't we... We've done this before, right? It's 225, I wanna say.

Tim Dillon 1:27 225. Starbucks is extraordinarily high in caffeine.

Joe Rogan 1:31 ...

Tim Dillon 1:31 95?

Joe Rogan 1:31 ... eight, eight-ounce cup, which is very small.

Tim Dillon 1:34 Oh. Well, eight-ounce. But 20 ounces is a venti, right?

Joe Rogan 1:37 It is, yeah. 20-ounce. Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:38 So. Maybe a little more.

Joe Rogan 1:41 Yep, yep, yep.

Tim Dillon 1:41 Yeah. It's in the range. So-

Joe Rogan 1:42 I loved it. I, I started drinking coffee when I, I think my dad got me my first... I wanted to try a latte. We were in the Hamptons, I was, like, nine, and he said, "Yeah, try it." And I started drinking coffee in my teens, and I kept drinking it throughout my 20s, and then I had to get rid of it. But I loved it. Nothing is better in the morning than coffee and a cigarette. And you got rid of both of them. And then I s- went back. I go, with cigarettes, I go on and off, very bad. How you at right now? You on or off?

Tim Dillon 2:10 Now is on.

Joe Rogan 2:11 You not on?

Tim Dillon 2:11 But I-

Joe Rogan 2:12 You want a cigar?

Tim Dillon 2:13 I don't want a cigar, unfortunately.

Joe Rogan 2:14 You don't like cigars?

Tim Dillon 2:15 I don't like cigars.

Joe Rogan 2:16 Really?

Tim Dillon 2:16 Yeah, 'cause you don't inhale.

Joe Rogan 2:18 Ah.

Tim Dillon 2:18 So what's the fun?

Joe Rogan 2:19 You could try. You could see what happens.

Tim Dillon 2:20 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 2:21 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 2:21 But I quit, you know, I quit for 17 days. So I didn't smoke for 17 days.

Joe Rogan 2:25 Yeah?

Tim Dillon 2:25 And then I just start in, and then I'll quit for two months, and then I'll start. It's, uh, it's very compulsive and very bad.

Joe Rogan 2:31 And when you smoke, do you smoke before shows? Do you smoke all day long?

Tim Dillon 2:35 I, I don't smoke as much in the day, but I will smoke, uh, maybe I'll have one or two during the day, but at night, 'cause I like to talk and bullshit.

Joe Rogan 2:44 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 2:45 So if I have a captive audience of people, like, i- in my house, in my backyard, or in the, the, you know, at the Comedy Store, if we're all standing in the, uh, parking lot, whatever it is, it's just the smoking... I was-

Joe Rogan 2:58 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 2:58 ... in Denver, and when it's humid, you don't wanna smoke, it doesn't feel good, but when you're in Denver and it's cool nights, like LA-

Joe Rogan 3:04 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 3:05 ... you just, you're a chimney, it feels great. I mean, it doesn't feel great, but it does.

Joe Rogan 3:09 Well, it gives you a nice head rush.

Tim Dillon 3:10 It gives you a nice head rush. And of all the things I've been addicted to, cocaine, booze, pills, you know, this is the hardest to get rid of.

Joe Rogan 3:19 Really?

Tim Dillon 3:19 Truly.

Joe Rogan 3:20 Wow.

Tim Dillon 3:20 This is the hardest to, to knock. Because I don't look... When somebody's drinking, I look at it, I go, "Okay, it doesn't look good to me." It doesn't... I associate it with so much trauma-

Joe Rogan 3:31 Mm.

Tim Dillon 3:31 ... that I go, "I can't grab that glass of whiskey, it'd be a problem." But i- it really is, I'm just like, "Ah, it's just a cigarette. Just a cigarette." And it's, um, it's a very tough addiction.

Joe Rogan 3:42 Is it a, is it that it's just a cigarette, like, y- you think it's no big deal to smoke it 'cause it's not gonna fuck you up, it's not gonna get you drunk? Like-

Tim Dillon 3:51 Well, there's that, then there's the addict brain that goes, "We're having one."

Joe Rogan 3:57 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 3:57 "We're having one."

Joe Rogan 3:59 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 3:59 We speak in the royal we, we go "we".

Joe Rogan 4:01 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 4:01 The addict brain is very interesting because it's a part of you, but it's also separate.

Joe Rogan 4:05 Right.

Tim Dillon 4:05 So it's like a separate part of you that isn't... It, it's somebody else that's in there that goes, it goes, "Here's what we're gonna do." And you start listening, you start going-

Joe Rogan 4:14 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 4:14 ... "Okay, this seems like a good idea." And that's why, when you go to AA or any of these programs, they go, "You can think your way back into drinking or drugs." Because you can. Because that addict... I- it's, like, weird. It's like, you know, you see the, obviously, like, m- you know, movies where there's a spaceship, and then, like, there's a little module that just detaches from the spaceship?

Joe Rogan 4:35 Yeah, a pod.

Tim Dillon 4:36 Yeah, a pod. That's the addict brain. It just detaches, it goes, "All clear."

Joe Rogan 4:40 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 4:40 "Everything's good. Everything's good. Just do one." It, it makes sense to do one. You're at the Comedy Store, you had a good set-

Joe Rogan 4:48 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 4:48 ... you're amongst friends.

Joe Rogan 4:50 You deserve it.

Tim Dillon 4:50 You're in the parking lot. You're not doing heroin.

Joe Rogan 4:53 No.

Tim Dillon 4:53 People do heroin.

Joe Rogan 4:54 Just a cigarette.

Tim Dillon 4:55 You're not beating a woman up. You're just having a cigarette.

Joe Rogan 4:58 You can drive and smoke at the same time. How bad can it be?

Tim Dillon 5:01 And that's... So here's the thing, if they ban that, I think I'd quit. But driving and smoking, to me, is the most fun I've really ever had in life.

Joe Rogan 5:10 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 5:11 There's nothing better than just rolling the window of a... I bought that Range Rover, I said-

Joe Rogan 5:15 (sirens)

Tim Dillon 5:15 ... "Okay, I'm not gonna smoke it, it's a nice car." All my friends go, "You cannot smoke in that car." And then the addict brain, you know, I think three stoplights in it goes, "Well, what the hell is the point?"

Joe Rogan 5:24 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 5:24 "You own this car. You're gonna, you're gonna not smoke in the car?" So I started smoking in the car. And when I was an addict, I would wake up and I would take two Percocet and I would get a bacon, egg, and cheese sandwich in Long Island and a cup of coffee and then drive to my mortgage job. I was, like, 20, 21. And I would smoke cigarettes. And I remember sitting in the car, and it was a piece of shit, it was, like, a Ford Focus. Uh, but I would go, "I'm just happy. It- things are just good."

Joe Rogan 5:49 Yeah, you're moving.

Tim Dillon 5:50 "Things are good."

Joe Rogan 5:50 Things are happening.

Tim Dillon 5:51 "Things are happening. I'm gonna, I'm gonna get a better car and I'm gonna get a better life. But right now, things are good." So that's the biggest problem for me, is like, that still, it's still there.

Joe Rogan 6:03 We were talking about Range Rovers before-

Tim Dillon 6:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:05 ... about your Range Rovers fucking up. And you know what I really just realized while we were saying this? You should be in a Cadillac. You should get a fucking Escalade.

Tim Dillon 6:13 That's true.

Joe Rogan 6:13 Have you driven one of the new ones?

Tim Dillon 6:15 Um, I have not.

Joe Rogan 6:16 They're fantastic.

Tim Dillon 6:17 It's a real Tony Soprano car.

Joe Rogan 6:18 Oh, my... The new ones are so good.

Tim Dillon 6:21 I wanna check them out.

Joe Rogan 6:22 We've driven a couple of them-

Tim Dillon 6:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:23 ... when, whenever we, uh, whenever I go to do a gig.

Tim Dillon 6:26 They're so big.

Joe Rogan 6:26 Dude, they're easy to drive.

Tim Dillon 6:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:28 They're, they're no bigger than your, your truck.

Tim Dillon 6:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:30 Maybe slightly bigger than your Range Rover-

Tim Dillon 6:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:32 ... but so comfortable, dude.

Tim Dillon 6:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:34 First of all, I know you like comfort.

Tim Dillon 6:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:36 You like that kind of thing.

Tim Dillon 6:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:37 It... They, they have this magnetic ride. It's adjustable magnetic ride thing. I don't know the technology behind it, but it fucking absorbs shit. Like, bumps in the road, just... (makes flatulent sound)

Tim Dillon 6:48 Just goes, goes right by.

Joe Rogan 6:49 Smooth it over.

Tim Dillon 6:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:50 It's so nice inside too, and super comfortable, and the fucking screen goes like... The dashboard is one giant screen, there's another giant screen to the left.

Tim Dillon 6:59 Yeah, it's nice.

Joe Rogan 7:00 See if you can get a, get a, a video or an image of the inside. Look at the inside of these fucking things. I'm telling you, man, the new one, they knocked it out of the park. It's fucking amazing. I love it. I look full... When- whenever we drive places, or whenever we fly places and we rent one, I look forward to getting-

Tim Dillon 7:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:17 ... in these things.

Tim Dillon 7:17 Well, it's like a Lincoln Navigator. It's like a boat.

Joe Rogan 7:19 Another one.

Tim Dillon 7:19 It's like a luxury yacht.

Joe Rogan 7:20 Yeah, yeah.

Tim Dillon 7:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:21 That's another one that's awesome. The new Lincoln Navigator's fantastic too. But I think, uh, out of the two, this is the one I would choose. It's, it's pretty fucking dope.

Tim Dillon 7:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:32 Scroll back down again?

Tim Dillon 7:33 And you know what? It's, it's a lot less expensive than a Range Rover.

Joe Rogan 7:36 And the RZA is doing a goddamn ad for it. How about that? That's the RZA from Wu-Tang.

Tim Dillon 7:41 I love it.

Joe Rogan 7:42 The guy who was on my podcast and done all wrong, he's fucked it up. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 7:46 (laughs) Not really.

Joe Rogan 7:47 It was-

Tim Dillon 7:47 Not really.

Joe Rogan 7:47 It was a journey. He didn't really fuck it up, but he...

Tim Dillon 7:50 You like muscle cars.

Joe Rogan 7:51 Think he did, yeah.

Tim Dillon 7:51 You don't like comfort. You don't wanna feel lulled into a state of comfort.

Joe Rogan 7:54 That's right.

Tim Dillon 7:55 I drove BMW Alpinas, one of the fastest sedans, and I was just driving it like 180 miles an hour to go to Ralph's, and I said, "This is gonna end up being a problem. I'm gonna kill myself or somebody else."

Joe Rogan 8:05 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 8:05 I just... I, I'm not a great driver. That's the other thing, I'm not a great driver. I've totaled five cars.

Joe Rogan 8:10 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 8:11 Not recently, but I've totaled five cars.

Joe Rogan 8:13 In the booze days?

Tim Dillon 8:14 Um, in, back in those days. Uh, a few hit and runs, nothing crazy.

Joe Rogan 8:17 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 8:17 No one got hurt. No one got hurt. It's just a horrible way to meet someone. So, I would always leave the scene, but I was a bad driver. And I remember I, uh, I was in a car with my secretary, one of the secretaries who worked in my mortgage office, and we, you know, I made like a left turn from the right lane and we hit a car head on and her head bounced off the, um, glove box of the car.

Joe Rogan 8:38 Oh.

Tim Dillon 8:38 And she had a big... We were going to get drugs. I mean, you know, and she's fine now. And she wasn't a triathlete. It wasn't like she was... But she-

Joe Rogan 8:47 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 8:47 She hit her... You know what I mean? It wasn't, it wasn't... She was... We were both, you know-

Joe Rogan 8:52 We both fucked up.

Tim Dillon 8:52 We're sedentary.

Joe Rogan 8:53 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 8:54 But she hit her head and, um, it was a bowling ball sized welt-

Joe Rogan 8:58 Oh, my god.

Tim Dillon 8:58 ... that filled up with, like, blood or pus in the car. Like, immediately.

Joe Rogan 9:02 Oh, Jesus.

Tim Dillon 9:02 And we got out of the car and I looked at her, I'm like, "Man, I'm fucked." And then I didn't drive for, like, a year. Um, I've had my license suspended over 20 times.

Joe Rogan 9:11 20 times?

Tim Dillon 9:11 Yeah, because I didn't pay tickets.

Joe Rogan 9:14 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 9:14 So, in Long Island, they would suspend your li-

Joe Rogan 9:17 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 9:17 And it's a serious crime in Long Island. So, I've been to jail just for a few hours, but because I drove with a suspended license. Like, they-

Joe Rogan 9:24 Wow.

Tim Dillon 9:25 They take you to jail and then you have to get bailed out. I mean, I had to pay thousands of dollars... So, I'm not a great... So, there's something about a comfortable car where I'm just like, "Let's just chill."

Joe Rogan 9:34 Mm-hmm. I get it.

Tim Dillon 9:35 Let's just chilling in Escalade.

Joe Rogan 9:37 Yeah. The-

Tim Dillon 9:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:38 It's a good feeling.

Tim Dillon 9:38 My ultimate goal is a driver.

Joe Rogan 9:41 Ah, nice.

Tim Dillon 9:42 Because there's something about just being in the backseat chilling that I do like.

Joe Rogan 9:46 What if he starts complaining?

Tim Dillon 9:49 Well, it's gonna be Alex Jones.

Joe Rogan 9:51 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 9:51 So, he'll entertain me, he'll drive the car. He'll only drive...

Joe Rogan 9:55 Have a bottle, have a bottle of vodka. Yeah, yeah. (laughs) He'll be certainly driving.

Tim Dillon 9:56 Have a bottle of vodka, I'm fine. But, um, but I'm better now. No accidents, nothing.

Joe Rogan 10:01 Beautiful.

Tim Dillon 10:01 I- I'm very good now.

Joe Rogan 10:03 No, I do like driving comfortable cars, don't get me wrong. It's just, uh, I... When I grew up, when I was a young boy, the cars that I would see, like, when I worked at a gas station, they would drive by, they were always American muscle cars.

Tim Dillon 10:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:15 Like, "Oh, look at that fucking thing."

Tim Dillon 10:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:18 It's like there's a... Something burned into my DNA-

Tim Dillon 10:21 Of course.

Joe Rogan 10:21 ... that loves those 1960s, early 1970s muscle cars.

Tim Dillon 10:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:25 I just-

Tim Dillon 10:25 Talking about, like, Mustangs and things like that.

Joe Rogan 10:27 Oh, love them.

Tim Dillon 10:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:28 Love them. I ca- I can't get enough of them.

Tim Dillon 10:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:30 When I see them, like, I get excited.

Tim Dillon 10:32 About those cars. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:33 Yeah. Like, my friend Corey came to my house today and they had a 1968 GMC truck that, that, uh, had been rebuilt and it was, uh, beautiful.

Tim Dillon 10:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:42 And I just... I... Something, I see those, I go, "Ah."

Tim Dillon 10:45 You get excited, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:46 "Look at that fucking thing. Ah."

Tim Dillon 10:48 Yeah, it's toxic masculinity. That's what it is.

Joe Rogan 10:51 It's appreciation of, uh, American art is what it is.

Tim Dillon 10:53 That, that was probably one of the best eras in America. And if you look at, like, the architecture, that mid-century modern architecture where you can find it in, like, Palm Springs and, and, you know, parts of California and everywhere, but they, it's really concentrated there, that was the era when we were killing it-

Joe Rogan 11:08 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 11:08 ... across the board-

Joe Rogan 11:09 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 11:09 ... with what we were making.

Joe Rogan 11:11 Manufacturing.

Tim Dillon 11:12 Manufacturing. Like, we were making-

Joe Rogan 11:13 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 11:13 ... great products, our houses were beautiful. Um, we felt we were going to the moon, or, or maybe.

Joe Rogan 11:20 Maybe not.

Tim Dillon 11:20 But we were, we were trying to.

Joe Rogan 11:23 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 11:23 That... So, when you go back to that era-

Joe Rogan 11:25 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 11:25 ... it's kinda cool to look at-

Joe Rogan 11:26 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 11:26 ... things that were made in that era when we really believed we were at our zenith. You know? Yep.

Joe Rogan 11:30 We didn't know it, but when you look back at that, obviously it wasn't... You know, people didn't have rights and things weren't nice. But just speaking strictly about the materials-

Tim Dillon 11:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:39 ... and the things we were making, we were, we were top of the line.

Tim Dillon 11:42 But at least there was a recognition that people didn't have rights and it was wrong and they were trying to change it-

Joe Rogan 11:46 100%.

Tim Dillon 11:46 ... for the first time.

Joe Rogan 11:47 100%.

Tim Dillon 11:48 The thing-

Joe Rogan 11:48 Now, we're at a point where we go, people have too many rights. Now, we're going the other way.

Tim Dillon 11:52 I am seeing people legitimately tweeting-

Joe Rogan 11:56 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 11:56 ... "Transracial rights are human rights."

Joe Rogan 11:58 Of course.

Tim Dillon 11:59 They're legitimately-

Joe Rogan 12:00 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 12:01 ... trying to... Transracialism. There was a guy who got kicked off Twitter-

Joe Rogan 12:04 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 12:04 ... a few years ago. He was really funny and he had a, a parody account where he would write #wrongskin. Like, and he was saying that he's black, he's the whitest guy alive.

Joe Rogan 12:16 Right.

Tim Dillon 12:16 And he was, he was saying, "I was born in the wrong skin," but it was just... He was a comic. I used to go back and forth with him on-

Joe Rogan 12:21 Right.

Tim Dillon 12:22 ... on DMs. I thought he was hilarious. I'm like-

Joe Rogan 12:23 Right.

Tim Dillon 12:23 ... "Dude, your fucking account's brilliant." And he was just fucking around. That was his thing. And he was always promoting this transracial thing, but he was doing it just as a troll, 'cause people would freak out-

Joe Rogan 12:34 Right.

Tim Dillon 12:34 ... they didn't realize it was a parody, they'd get mad at him.

Joe Rogan 12:36 ... but people are actually fucking saying it now. And do you see that, the pop guy-

Tim Dillon 12:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:41 ... in England?

Tim Dillon 12:42 The K-pop fan who, who had plastic surgery to make himself Korean.

Joe Rogan 12:46 Yeah. He says he identifies-

Tim Dillon 12:47 And-

Joe Rogan 12:47 ... as being Korean.

Tim Dillon 12:48 And you know who actually, and Jamie might look this up 'cause I believe I'm correct, I believe Rachel Dolezal-

Joe Rogan 12:53 Rachel Dolezal-

Tim Dillon 12:53 ... said, "I support this guy."

Joe Rogan 12:55 Yes.

Tim Dillon 12:55 And that's real, right?

Joe Rogan 12:56 Yes. Yes, it's real.

Tim Dillon 12:57 That's real. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:57 Well, all it takes is a couple. It's like, look-

Tim Dillon 12:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:59 ... if you have one match and you try to start a forest fire, it might go out before you can get those pine needles lit.

Tim Dillon 13:05 Right. (blows) Right.

Joe Rogan 13:06 But if you have two matches (blows) , (blows) now you got a fire. We got two, we got two transracial people-

Tim Dillon 13:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:14 ... you might be able to get... Look, people are willing to believe all kinds of nonsensical ideas. Rachel Dolezal, a white woman who gained notoriety for claiming she identifies as Black, defen-... First of all, that's not enough of a description of her. She was the head of the NAACP in-

Tim Dillon 13:29 She was, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:30 ... in Washington state?

Tim Dillon 13:31 I, I don't know where, but she was a, she had power.

Joe Rogan 13:35 Yes. I mean, well she was doing, arguably, she was doing good things for, for Black folks that lived there. She was running an organization that was designed to fight against discrimination, and she was doing it under a false pretense.

Tim Dillon 13:50 Well, it's like, you know-

Joe Rogan 13:51 Yeah, right.

Tim Dillon 13:51 ... I always give this example. My mother's a schizophrenic. If m- if instead of putting my mother in a mental institution and medicating her, we said, "All of your ideas are great, and here's a profile in Rolling Stone."

Joe Rogan 14:05 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 14:05 We'd have a real problem. It's the reality.

Joe Rogan 14:08 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 14:08 Like, and she's, has real mental illness. It's not like I'm anx- anxious. She's nuts.

Joe Rogan 14:13 Right.

Tim Dillon 14:14 And we, you gotta medicate her and she's gotta, like, not live in society because she cannot handle it, right?

Joe Rogan 14:21 Right.

Tim Dillon 14:21 This is a fact. Um, if we were to then encourage this behavior, go, "No, it's a good idea. This is a great idea," and if she was on the internet people might be going, "No, you're right. Elvis might be your father."

Joe Rogan 14:36 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 14:36 Which is something she used to say at Christmas.

Joe Rogan 14:39 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 14:39 She goes, "It's very possible that Elvis might be my father." And my grandmother would go, "I didn't have sex with Elvis," and then my mother would go, "But then you might not be my mother."

Joe Rogan 14:48 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 14:48 She's nuts. Real nuts. And that's why I get upset at these people that are like... I'm not upset with them, but like everybody now has a thing. Everyone's, "I'm anxious. I'm depressed. I'm tired. I'm attacked." And, you know, the reality is, real mental illness, you don't get a comedy special, you don't get a profile in Rolling Stone, you get locked up.

Joe Rogan 15:09 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 15:09 Truly. Because you're a danger to yourself and others, which my mother is. And I see this and I go, "This is not people that are operating with full use of all of their faculties. Something is wrong."

Joe Rogan 15:21 Something's wrong, but it's wrong in a mild way where they can justify this-

Tim Dillon 15:25 Yes.

Joe Rogan 15:25 ... weird thing, especially at this time in society-

Tim Dillon 15:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:29 ... where we'll tolerate this.

Tim Dillon 15:29 We'll tolerate it.

Joe Rogan 15:30 Not just tolerate it, we'll encourage it.

Tim Dillon 15:32 It'll be encouraged.

Joe Rogan 15:33 I think people are gonna be transracial. I think in the next few years-

Tim Dillon 15:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:37 ... transracialism is gonna be, like, fully embraced, and then we're gonna have Black folks on our side 'cause they're gonna go-

Tim Dillon 15:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:44 ... "Hey."

Tim Dillon 15:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:45 Now this is, this is crazy.

Tim Dillon 15:46 This is too much. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:46 This is crazy. All this stuff about trans women-

Tim Dillon 15:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:49 ... competing in the Olympics.

Tim Dillon 15:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:52 That, that wasn't as bothersome.

Tim Dillon 15:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:54 D- cr- uh, J Chappelle has a fucking brilliant bit about it.

Tim Dillon 15:57 About that.

Joe Rogan 15:57 I don't wanna give away the bit-

Tim Dillon 15:58 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 15:58 ... but he's got a, an amazing bit about it.

Tim Dillon 16:00 Yeah. It's, it's strange. It's hard to, it's hard to care about all this stuff, right? I think that's also something that people, uh, you know, are, are wrestling with how to do.

Joe Rogan 16:14 Well, also this guy picked Korean.

Tim Dillon 16:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:18 The thing about Koreans is notoriously hard workers.

Tim Dillon 16:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:21 Notoriously, uh, uh, very, very tough to get them to complain about shit.

Tim Dillon 16:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:27 They're not the type of people that com-... They fucking grind.

Tim Dillon 16:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:31 Koreans, like, uh, th- you know, obviously this is a generalization, but-

Tim Dillon 16:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:35 ... very hard workers.

Tim Dillon 16:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:37 Uh, d- very well educated. They embrace, like, this, this idea that you're supposed to go out there and earn your, your, your-

Tim Dillon 16:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:45 ... place in life. If someone comes along and says that they're Korean, they're not gonna give a fuck.

Tim Dillon 16:49 They don't care.

Joe Rogan 16:49 They're not gonna freak out.

Tim Dillon 16:50 They're just like-

Joe Rogan 16:51 Right.

Tim Dillon 16:51 ... "We're working."

Joe Rogan 16:51 Right.

Tim Dillon 16:51 "We're busy."

Joe Rogan 16:52 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 16:52 Yeah. It's, it's crazy. It's wild to, to think that we're approaching that time, but we probably are. In a few years-

Joe Rogan 17:01 Two years.

Tim Dillon 17:01 ... we're definitely gonna have transracialism.

Joe Rogan 17:04 We're gonna talk about this in two years. There's gonna be-

Tim Dillon 17:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:06 ... transracial, there's gonna be, like, groups that are-

Tim Dillon 17:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:10 ... designed to help transracial people.

Tim Dillon 17:12 Yes.

Joe Rogan 17:12 There's gonna be transracial people that are gonna try to, uh-

Tim Dillon 17:14 Well, it's the end.

Joe Rogan 17:15 ... get involved in-

Tim Dillon 17:15 It's just the end of the West.

Joe Rogan 17:17 ... affirmative action-

Tim Dillon 17:17 China's gonna win.

Joe Rogan 17:19 ... for transracial people.

Tim Dillon 17:19 China's gonna win. And the reality is at this point it's almost like they may deserve to win. Like-

Joe Rogan 17:25 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 17:25 ... this is really so scary where you go, when you look at it, when you watch the YouTube videos and somebody goes, um, "There's an enumerable amount of pronouns and I will tell you what I'll be called, when I'll be called," and this, that, and the other thing. And you watch people argue about this and you go, "Here's the new language we've invented overnight." And you look at wrestling with all this stuff, and the idea that we're now here where people are going, "We're, we're at transracialism," it's really just the end of the West.

Joe Rogan 17:53 Have you seen neo-pronouns now?

Tim Dillon 17:55 I've seen them all. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:56 I saw a girl with a mustache explaining the need for neo-pronouns.

Tim Dillon 18:01 Yeah. Well, the other thing is if you destroy gender, it's incredibly offensive to gay people, right? Like, if I was straight, I would have sex with women. If gender didn't matter, I would just hook up with women because my life would've been easier, right?

Joe Rogan 18:15 Right.

Tim Dillon 18:15 So this whole idea that, like, gender i- isn't real-

Joe Rogan 18:19 It's fluid.

Tim Dillon 18:19 ... or fluid or doesn't matter is, in essence, kinda homophobic. It's basically saying gay people don't exist or their preferences are somehow bigoted, but it's like, no, biologically, there are people that are attracted to what, like, I talked, I was in Texas, I met some lesbian, one of them that didn't kick me off Airbnb-

Joe Rogan 18:37 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 18:37 ... and she was saying that every year they go out in, like, the wilderness of Texas and have some lesbian festival. I don't know what it is. It's just, uh, they play acoustic guitars and swim in a lake, whatever it is. She goes, this year was the first year they got complaints that trans women couldn't attend, which is women with penises, and they go, "Hey, we're not, we don't hate anybody, we love everybody but, like, this is a festival for lesbians." And they didn't want biological men at the event.... because that's not what they're into.

Joe Rogan 19:07 Right.

Tim Dillon 19:07 They're not into penises.

Joe Rogan 19:08 Right.

Tim Dillon 19:08 So, if you show up and you're like a nice person, that's great, but they're trying to hook up in the, in the, in the wilderness. They're trying to like meet women with vaginas.

Joe Rogan 19:16 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 19:16 So, they said they got an insane amount of hate for just specifying that it's a woman-only event. And they go, "You didn't include trans women," who may or may not have h- you know, transitioned. They may just be like, "Hey." They said, "You didn't include non-binary, you didn't include any of that." And they go, "But, but here's our thing. Genitals matter to us because we don't wanna hook up with dudes." So, that's how crazy we're getting now. There was a tweet the other day that said, "We're not fully equal until you don't care about your, your date's genitalia."

Joe Rogan 19:47 (laughs) I saw that.

Tim Dillon 19:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:48 I saw that.

Tim Dillon 19:48 That's real.

Joe Rogan 19:49 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 19:49 People going, "If you don't care about... If you go out with somebody and you care about what gender they are, you're harboring deep-seated prejudices." That's how crazy we've gotten. And, and-

Joe Rogan 20:02 But it's not. It's a very small percentage-

Tim Dillon 20:04 It's a small percentage of people.

Joe Rogan 20:05 ... of very loud people.

Tim Dillon 20:05 But they're all over, they're all over Hollywood. They're all over the universities. They're... I mean, the people that hold these viewpoints are not... You know, that's what I... You know, the people that like, you know, believe that the Holocaust didn't happen are not at Yale. They are, who knows? They're in a, you know, some small... They're not a powerful faction of people.

Joe Rogan 20:27 Right.

Tim Dillon 20:27 They're like usually kooks, right? The people that believe this stuff are like controlling large institutions and that's scary.

Joe Rogan 20:37 It is scary.

Tim Dillon 20:37 It is a little scary.

Joe Rogan 20:37 And it bleeds out into corporations-

Tim Dillon 20:39 And gay-

Joe Rogan 20:39 ... because then they graduate and then a lot of them-

Tim Dillon 20:42 Yes.

Joe Rogan 20:43 ... go into these corporations.

Tim Dillon 20:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:44 And the corporations are dealing with... If you're hiring 20 people straight outta the university-

Tim Dillon 20:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:49 ... you have 40 employees.

Tim Dillon 20:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:51 Half of your employees have been indoctrinated into this crazy Marxist, leftist-

Tim Dillon 20:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:56 ... idealistic perspective that they've been-

Tim Dillon 20:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:58 ... taught in college by people who've never been in the real world, which is where it gets really crazy. You k-

Tim Dillon 21:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:02 You take people who go from universities straight into being employed by universities.

Tim Dillon 21:08 Yes.

Joe Rogan 21:08 So, they stay in this kind of, this, this echo chamber-

Tim Dillon 21:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:12 ... and they teach it to kids, and then these kids go and infect these universities with this crazy woke bullshit.

Tim Dillon 21:18 Well, gay people don't understand it. Like a lot of them that are over a certain age, I have a joke in my act now where I say, "You, you get no sympathy for being gay from a kid." Like, go tell a 16-year-old it was tough coming out of the closet. They'll turn around and be like, "Do you know how hard it is to be a pansexual communist witch?"

Joe Rogan 21:31 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 21:32 You know, like, do you know... So there's no... Like, being a white gay dude in your 30s, you might as well be a Nazi.

Joe Rogan 21:39 Right.

Tim Dillon 21:39 I mean, they're just like, "You're the problem." And so most people just don't understand this and... But the people that don't understand it are sick and tired of fighting 'cause I get it. It's, it's annoying and people just say, "You know what? I just wanna enjoy my friends and family and whatever, and let these people do whatever they want." The problem is then those people that run around unchecked, then we live in an insane world.

Joe Rogan 22:01 Well, not, not just an insane world, but part of what's going on with these people is forced compliance. Like, they want you to agree to their list of demands, like people with penises should be able to go into women's bathroom. Like, you saw-

Tim Dillon 22:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:13 ... that thing that happened in Los Angeles at the spa.

Tim Dillon 22:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:15 Where this lady's like, "There's a guy in the women's room walking around with his dick hanging out."

Tim Dillon 22:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:19 And I don't know. Was she with a child?

Tim Dillon 22:21 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 22:22 Possibly.

Tim Dillon 22:23 Was she with a child?

Narrator 22:24 I-

Joe Rogan 22:24 But she-

Narrator 22:25 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 22:25 I don't remember if she was with, with a child, but she was fucking furious. And they were like, "Well, that person identifies as a woman." She's like, "Well, I'm looking at his dick."

Tim Dillon 22:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:33 Like, this is crazy. So now-

Tim Dillon 22:34 You should have to commit, I think, with-

Joe Rogan 22:37 But people-

Tim Dillon 22:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:37 ... are protesting-

Tim Dillon 22:38 Yes.

Joe Rogan 22:38 ... now-

Tim Dillon 22:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:39 ... against that spa.

Tim Dillon 22:40 Of course.

Joe Rogan 22:40 They're organizing this big...

Tim Dillon 22:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:42 They're saying, "Mask up and let's smash r- uh, trans hate."

Tim Dillon 22:46 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:48 Exclusive. Saturday showdown is in the work for over, over trans blow up at Y Spa. Like, this is how crazy it is. This is how crazy it is. Mineral salt massages and hydro dermabrasion facials weren't enough to calm the nerves of some patrons at the Y... We Spa?

Narrator 23:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:05 Uh, Koreatown Health Club. Scene of a showdown over nudity in gendered spaces after a customer confronted spa staff about a trans woman with male genitals being allowed to disrobe in the spa's female section. The ruckus was caught on camera and quickly went viral on Twitter on Sunday, fueling a furious online debate with s- threats of a boycott against the spa about the rights of trans people to use women's spaces. I hate that term spaces. It really drives me crazy because-

Tim Dillon 23:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:30 ... it's one of those loony new ways of talking-

Tim Dillon 23:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 23:32 ... about things. Versus the rights of cisgender female. I hate that word too. Biological females, to not be exposed to male anatomy. As of Tuesday morning, a pair of v- pair of videos showed the... Shared by the pro-Trump conservative commenter, uh, Ian Miles Chia-... Chong? Chong. C-H-E-O-N-G. I follow him on Twitter. Had 596,000 and 223,000 views respectively. According to view- users on Twitter, a protest is being planned for 11:00 AM on Saturday, July 3rd at the We Spa. Y Spa? Uh, counter protesters are calling for their ranks to arrive at 10:00 AM. Jesus Christ. So, let's play it. Let's hear what, what, when it happens 'cause I didn't listen to it.

Narrator 24:19 ... clear with you. It's okay, it's okay for a man to go into the women's section, show his penis around the other women, young little girls under age. Your spa, We Spa, condone that. Is that what you're saying?

Joe Rogan 24:35 Not what he's saying.

Narrator 24:36 Like, I asked. It... So he's... So, he can stay there? He can stay there? Sexual orientation. What sexual orientation? I see a dick. It lets me know he's a man.

Joe Rogan 24:47 Yeah.

Narrator 24:48 He, he is a man. He is a man. He is not no female. He is not a female. He is not a female. Hold on. So, now- He is not a female please.

Joe Rogan 25:00 ... this is a, this is a Black woman, I believe.

Narrator 25:03 Okay. This girl down there-

Joe Rogan 25:04 I think she's Hispanic. Okay.

Narrator 25:04 ... other women who are highly offended for what they just saw-

Tim Dillon 25:07 Well, this is what Kirk Metzger-

Narrator 25:09 ... and you did nothing.

Tim Dillon 25:09 ... would call an intersectional car crash.

Joe Rogan 25:11 Yes. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 25:11 Because now you have to go to like a court and go, "Who gets to-"... the argument about trans, which we all understand there's genuine cases of gender dysphoria, people say, "I'm happier in the other gender," and a lot, some of those people can't afford surgeries, and a lot of them wanna have them. Um, but the whole argument was like, this is how seriously that trans people feel about being in the wrong body, they're willing to correct it via surgery.

Joe Rogan 25:37 Right.

Tim Dillon 25:37 And the new, the new argument is that, that-

Joe Rogan 25:40 They don't have to.

Tim Dillon 25:40 ... the surgery is incidental-

Joe Rogan 25:42 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 25:43 ... and that your, your lived experience, your identity, um, is, is, is going to be something that people are always gonna have to inquire about and may change three times during the day. And this is just not, it's not efficient. Let's talk about efficiency.

Joe Rogan 25:58 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 25:59 It's not efficient. I mean, if you go out to a restaurant, you're supposed to go, "Here are my pronouns, here are his pronouns." And then the waiter's supposed to go like, "Here are my pronouns." And it's like, "Hey guys, who gives a fuck?"

Joe Rogan 26:08 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 26:08 What are the specials?

Joe Rogan 26:09 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 26:09 Like, there's nothing efficient about this. And we can't honor and respect every human being's need to feel, uh, good at every moment of the day. Uh, b- being uncomfortable and feeling weird is where people grow, and you're just gonna have to grow, unfortunately. I, it's not an efficient society to just make sure that you're never offended, you're never misgendered. Well, if you're a man and you do a good job of looking like a woman, people are gonna call you she. And if you are a woman and you do a great... Like, I, I will call Caitlyn Jenner she, I'll call her governor.

Joe Rogan 26:45 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 26:45 I'm supporting her to be the governor. I think she's the best option. And I'm un-ironically.

Joe Rogan 26:51 Well-

Tim Dillon 26:51 I think she's probably good.

Joe Rogan 26:53 She has some good points-

Tim Dillon 26:55 She has great points.

Joe Rogan 26:57 ... about the police. She has some good points about traffic and homelessness.

Tim Dillon 27:00 You need-

Joe Rogan 27:01 She's got good points.

Tim Dillon 27:01 ... you need a conservative trans person in that state.

Joe Rogan 27:04 It's not a bad idea.

Tim Dillon 27:05 It's not a bad idea. And I'll start listening to non-binary people when I see non-binary conservatives. See, I know trans people are real because there are trans conservatives.

Joe Rogan 27:14 Right.

Tim Dillon 27:15 But if non-binary... if there's no non-binary conservatives, I'm waiting for somebody to say, "I am they, them, and I love my guns-"

Joe Rogan 27:23 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 27:24 "... and I love the cops."

Joe Rogan 27:25 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 27:26 And then I go, "Oh, this is totally legit because I get it."

Joe Rogan 27:30 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 27:30 It's a vast spectrum of humanity.

Joe Rogan 27:32 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 27:33 But as a comedian, we're supposed to call all this stuff out. I'm supposed to call it out because it is absurd.

Joe Rogan 27:38 But if you do call it out-

Tim Dillon 27:39 They're off.

Joe Rogan 27:39 ... then all of a sudden-

Tim Dillon 27:39 They throw you off.

Joe Rogan 27:40 You have a better path to it because you're gay.

Tim Dillon 27:43 They don't care anymore.

Joe Rogan 27:44 They don't care anymore.

Tim Dillon 27:44 No, not when you look like me.

Joe Rogan 27:46 It's shifted over.

Tim Dillon 27:47 Yeah, no, it's shifted. Gay men, gay women... First of all, lesbians now barely exist. Literally, there's nine lesbian bars left in America.

Joe Rogan 27:55 What?

Tim Dillon 27:55 'Cause everybody's gone, "I'm gonna just be non-binary."

Joe Rogan 27:58 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 27:58 They're set, you know. Now, of course, lesbians didn't do a great job with their bars. Let's be very honest. But nine is wild. So-

Joe Rogan 28:05 Is that a number?

Tim Dillon 28:06 It's a number. There are nine lesbian bars left in America.

Joe Rogan 28:09 What?

Tim Dillon 28:09 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 28:10 How's that possible?

Tim Dillon 28:11 I'm... Because lesbians are disappearing. They're just disappearing.

Joe Rogan 28:15 Where are they going?

Tim Dillon 28:16 They're becoming non-binary.

Joe Rogan 28:17 Is that real?

Tim Dillon 28:18 Yeah. This is what's happening.

Joe Rogan 28:20 But what, what about like lesbian communities and like lesbian-

Tim Dillon 28:23 They're all older people. A lot of young people-

Joe Rogan 28:25 Oh.

Tim Dillon 28:25 ... are becoming non-binary. The, you know, people really are... Uh, you know, this is something that is happening, and I'm not saying everybody has to feel like a man or a woman, but I get, I feel feminine, sometimes I feel masculine, sometimes I think every human being on Earth does. I don't know why there needs to be a classification just because you're experiencing a full range of-

Joe Rogan 28:44 Well, it's involved.

Tim Dillon 28:45 ... emotions.

Joe Rogan 28:46 That, that, that is part-

Tim Dillon 28:46 It's involved. That's right.

Joe Rogan 28:46 ... and nobody wants to admit that. Nobody wants to admit that that's part of the appeal-

Tim Dillon 28:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:50 ... of what's going on. It's, it's, it's actually fashionable. Have you seen that video? Did I ever play you that video where the girl, uh, comes out to her friends at a, uh, in a park? She goes, "I have an announcement."

Tim Dillon 29:01 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:01 "I'm a guy."

Tim Dillon 29:02 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:02 And everyone's like, "Amazing."

Tim Dillon 29:04 I love you.

Joe Rogan 29:04 "My name's Theo."

Tim Dillon 29:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:06 "I go by he/they."

Tim Dillon 29:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:08 First of all, how can you go by he/they?

Tim Dillon 29:10 And why is her name Theo?

Joe Rogan 29:11 'Cause she likes Theo Von.

Tim Dillon 29:12 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 29:13 Come on. How could they?

Tim Dillon 29:13 Just, I love Theo Von too, but like, I just think, I, it, it's just strange. And I'm getting older. I'm only 36, but I look at all this stuff and I go, it's, you know, I'm, I'm gonna eventually live in the woods.

Joe Rogan 29:25 Yes.

Tim Dillon 29:25 I do now, but-

Joe Rogan 29:26 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 29:26 ... eventually...

Joe Rogan 29:27 Yes.

Tim Dillon 29:28 You know? I said, eventually, this is where you end up. You end up just somewhere, you know, sitting on, you know, like, get off my lawn, shaking your fist, 'cause you go, "I just don't get it."

Joe Rogan 29:38 Well, it's gonna get worse.

Tim Dillon 29:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:39 That's the thing.

Tim Dillon 29:40 I imagine.

Joe Rogan 29:41 I am concerned.

Tim Dillon 29:42 I called three realtors 'cause I'm gonna have an apartment in LA. I'm gonna keep my house here, but I'm gonna get an apartment there to kind of like, you know, I wanna have a presence there too. And three realtors I called, these are real estate agents. Their job is to like tell me to like buy a house or rent something. They were all like, "Yeah, it's bad."

Joe Rogan 29:59 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 29:59 Really? The real estate agents were like, "Yeah, it's bad." They go, they go, "I've got to be very honest with you." They go, "It's very bad."

Joe Rogan 30:05 In what way?

Tim Dillon 30:07 They said that the violence has gone up, crime has gone up. Now everybody kinda has a story about somebody that's been, you know, that somebody got followed to their car, you know. Somebody got robbed. There was an incident of violence. Somebody, somebody exposed themself to somebody. Like, it's... These things are all increasing. These numbers are going up. There's a lot of mental illness, drug addiction in a, a lot of the, you know, unhoused populations of people. And unfortunately, that is creating a dangerous environment for a lot of people. And nobody wants to talk about that, and people wanna say that it's like, um, you know, whatever it is, it's hateful to... And it's... Listen, nobody wants homeless, nobody wants people to be, uh, on the street and insane, but there are a percentage of those people... I'm sure the vast majority of them are peaceful, but a per- but maybe not. But a percentage of them are, you know, engaging in criminal acts that are making other people unsafe. And all of the homicide rates in major cities have gone up in an unprecedented way.

Joe Rogan 31:08 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 31:08 Like, it's... You know. And the people that are victims of that are living in these cities. They're poor people, they take public transportation, they're vulnerable, they're elderly, and no one cares. And if you call that out, they're like, "Oh, fuck you, Rush Limbaugh," whatever.

Joe Rogan 31:23 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 31:23 I'm like, "Hey, guys-... it is what it is. These are facts and the realities that people are paying the price for those are people that are not you. They-

Joe Rogan 31:31 I saw a tweet the other day, it was a hilarious tweet.

Tim Dillon 31:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:34 Where this woman was comparing crime rates in 1980-

Tim Dillon 31:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:37 ... to, or the 1980s to what's happening in New York today-

Tim Dillon 31:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:41 ... and how much "lower" the crime rate is now.

Tim Dillon 31:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:43 Even though it's up by, like, more than 100%.

Tim Dillon 31:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:46 Of last year.

Tim Dillon 31:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:47 Not, not comparing that.

Tim Dillon 31:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:49 Let's go back to 1980.

Tim Dillon 31:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:50 It's lower.

Tim Dillon 31:50 She goes, "Let's go back to when Gangs of New York-"

Joe Rogan 31:52 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 31:52 ... you know? When it was, like, the-

Joe Rogan 31:54 Billy Butcher.

Tim Dillon 31:54 ... Five Points. Yeah, people were, like, s- stabbing each other. Let's go back to when people were getting thrown out of saloon windows.

Joe Rogan 31:59 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 32:00 Listen, and you sound like a loser complaining about it, right? Because they, because there's this whole thing in New York where people are like, "New York's gritty, it's back. New York is back." And these are people who I know, th- personally, many of them live off their wives and a lot of them are escaping the suburbs.

Joe Rogan 32:16 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 32:16 And they're going, "New York's back."

Joe Rogan 32:17 How do they live off their wives?

Tim Dillon 32:18 Their wives earn money and they pretend to do stand-up comedy.

Joe Rogan 32:21 Oh, those fucks.

Tim Dillon 32:21 It's a great gig, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:22 How many of those guys are out there?

Tim Dillon 32:24 Um, millions.

Joe Rogan 32:26 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 32:26 A substantial population of people.

Joe Rogan 32:28 Is that a real thing? Where you-

Tim Dillon 32:29 It's huge thing.

Joe Rogan 32:29 ... guys live off their wives?

Tim Dillon 32:30 Women make horrible decisions-

Joe Rogan 32:33 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 32:33 ... with who they choose to spend their lives with.

Joe Rogan 32:35 Oh.

Tim Dillon 32:36 And as somebody who has nothing to do with women in a sexual way, I've just noticed that.

Joe Rogan 32:39 You can objectively observe.

Tim Dillon 32:41 I've looked at a woman and went, "What are you doing?" And, and it's just, the guy's like, "Hey man, I've been doing this 11 years, but next year's the year." And you know, and they go, "Okay, I'll just work eight hours a day and you just get high, play video games and tweet."

Joe Rogan 32:57 (exhales)

Tim Dillon 32:58 And it's rough. And those are the people that are like, "All cops are bastards and BLA-" And I'm like, "Yeah, okay. Great. That helps."

Joe Rogan 33:06 Well, they also, they, they tune into the zeitgeist, right? So they find out what is the-

Tim Dillon 33:10 They're just saying whatever they have to say.

Joe Rogan 33:12 Yeah. What's the thing of the-

Tim Dillon 33:13 What do I have to say to get a job?

Joe Rogan 33:14 ... What's the phrase of the day-

Tim Dillon 33:15 How do I get a-

Joe Rogan 33:15 ... to get people to think that I'm woke?

Tim Dillon 33:16 Yeah. How do I get a job on NBC's new series, you know, Dat Bitch Bad-

Joe Rogan 33:21 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 33:21 ... on Peacock? It's streaming on Peacock and I wanna write on it, and I just wanna go to these parties and take Adderall in Silver Lake, Los Angeles. So how, what do I have to say? I don't care what it is, I'll just say it.

Joe Rogan 33:35 I'm more... This is what I was gonna say earlier. I'm, I am legitimately worried that a part of what's going on online is being facilitated by foreign entities.

Tim Dillon 33:43 Sure.

Joe Rogan 33:43 And that they're manipulating people psychologically by pushing the envelope with this crazy shit. Because the thing is, if you get enough people to push in a certain direction, a lot of these people that we're talking about, uh, legitimately are insane.

Tim Dillon 33:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:56 And they will back up some new... Look, I was looking at a guy who I know is a fucking professor who was saying that if you have sex with a 13-year-old, if that 13-year-old consents and enjoys it, who's a criminal? What are you supposed to do about this? I was w-... Somebody sent me this and I was like, "This is..." This guy used to be on my, he'd been on my podcast before.

Tim Dillon 34:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:18 And I'm watching this argument, I'm like, "This is patently insane."

Tim Dillon 34:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:22 You're talking about a grown adult, a 40-year-old having sex with a 13-year-old?

Tim Dillon 34:26 With a child, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:27 A baby.

Tim Dillon 34:27 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 34:28 It's fucking nuts.

Tim Dillon 34:29 It's absurd.

Joe Rogan 34:30 But these kind of ideas get promoted and pushed, and it gets to the point where people start accepting this as something that you should accept.

Tim Dillon 34:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:38 And they start pushing it.

Tim Dillon 34:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:39 And you gotta go, "Wh- where is this fucking coming from?" Is this coming from a legitimate delusional person that doesn't understand how human psychology is? Or a person who is just a contrarian, that whenever something is a taboo in society, they're gonna go, "Well, why?"

Tim Dillon 34:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:54 "Why is it bad to kill old people?"

Tim Dillon 34:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:56 "Wouldn't it be better, do you d- Right. ... would you rather have them suffer? Or just put a bullet in their head while they're sleeping?"

Tim Dillon 35:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:01 You know? Like, imag- y- you start seeing how someone could make really crazy fucking arguments for things, and you, you start wondering how many of these people that are pushing these crazy arguments actually believe in? And how much of it... 'Cause we know it's a certain percentage. We know for a fact, from Renee DiResta's work with the Internet Research Agency where she's gone over these Russian troll accounts i- in Russ- where they, they literally, they have a farm, or there, there's a fucking pla- a building where people are hired to fuck with people.

Tim Dillon 35:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:30 They're hired, they, they organized a Texas separatist, um, convention across the street from a pro-Muslim convention-

Tim Dillon 35:38 Yeah, to, to start problems.

Joe Rogan 35:38 ... just to facilitate a fight.

Tim Dillon 35:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:41 And they're doing this on purpose. So they're manipulating... And they see this trend.

Tim Dillon 35:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:45 They see this train- trend of civil unrest, chaos in society-

Tim Dillon 35:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:49 ... and there is no gender, and there is no, uh, uh, and they... I guarantee you, some of what's moving this stuff along is manipulation.

Tim Dillon 35:57 I bet it is, and I bet it's easier than they thought. Like, I bet if there those tw- I'm sure there are those Russian troll farms and there's Chinese troll... They're, they're like, "This is shockingly easy."

Joe Rogan 36:06 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 36:06 I bet everyone takes lunch early.

Joe Rogan 36:08 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 36:08 I bet they throw out, like, two tweets. They're like, "We gotta really stay on them."

Joe Rogan 36:12 Ah.

Tim Dillon 36:12 "We gotta stay on them." They go to their supervisor, they go, "You're not gonna believe this. We worked for five minutes and they've taken it the rest of the way."

Joe Rogan 36:20 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 36:21 Because there's a lot of mentally unwell people here-

Joe Rogan 36:23 Yes.

Tim Dillon 36:23 ... in this country. There's a lot of people that are psychotic. I mean, I have aunts every day on their Facebook that are telling you that Trump is still the president, he still has the nuclear codes. And they're on Facebook assuring their Facebook feed, "Don't worry about it, Trump still has the nuclear codes."

Joe Rogan 36:38 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 36:38 And they're doing that in between sharing recipes for, like, you know, peach Melba. It's, we're, we're, we're a little wacky.

Joe Rogan 36:44 What was the thing that you tweeted the other day, this is the QAnon of the left?

Tim Dillon 36:47 It was the guy that was... There's a guy that's like, "I'm in a restaurant, no one has a mask."

Joe Rogan 36:53 Yes.

Tim Dillon 36:53 "And I am sick." He goes like, "I am scared and I feel like..." And it's just this crazy-

Joe Rogan 37:00 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 37:00 ... insane fucking thing where you go, "Dude, we're a year and a half in. Large number of people are vaccinated. A large number of people have had it already. What are we? What are you doing?" And it's the QAnon of, of liberals. They want, they need it-

Joe Rogan 37:15 Panic porn.

Tim Dillon 37:16 It's, they need it.

Joe Rogan 37:17 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 37:17 They want it because it, it allows them to be morally upright and superior...... and if, and it's fake, so does it matter? Like, putting a mask on doesn't mean you're a good person. It's like, great, okay, you were considerate, which is great. It's the lowest level, like, it, like, it's... I've always said this, I'm like, go to any of these people who go you wanna, you wanna o- like, volunteer at a soup kitchen. They'll stare at you like you're crazy.

Joe Rogan 37:41 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 37:42 They've never been to a shelter in their life.

Joe Rogan 37:44 Right.

Tim Dillon 37:44 They've never ladled... Like, back in the day, to be a good person, you had to, like, go to a shelter.

Joe Rogan 37:50 Right.

Tim Dillon 37:50 And like s- like, ladle pea soup in a bowl and hand it to somebody, and you had to volunteer, you had to be a big brother/big sister, and like, instead of kids going home. Y- now, it's like the least you can do is just, like, you're just sitting in a restaurant, which is probably an expensive restaurant in Los Angeles, and the guys are looking ar-... Like, the first time I went to LA to have meetings after I did the Montreal Comedy Festival, a woman pulled up in a white Bentley, we were sitting outside, we both ordered eggs Benedict. She said, "I'll have," you know, "eggs Benedict." She goes, "Avo on the side." And then she goes like this to me, she goes, "You know, I've n- I never knew what it was like to live in fascism, and now I do." And then she went on this whole thing about how, uh, she, we're living in a fascist country, because Trump had been elected, and she pulled up in a Bentley-

Joe Rogan 38:36 No.

Tim Dillon 38:37 ... and she was, and we're sitting in this beautiful area of Los Angeles, the sun's out, everybody's eating, like, great food, and, and in her mind, this was her, like, struggle session. Like, this was her thing. And that's, I think something broke. When Trump won, something broke, and I don't know what it is, and it might take years later to find out what it is, but I think just the idea that he could win fucked people up.

Joe Rogan 39:00 Well, it was a c- a combination of events, right?

Tim Dillon 39:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:02 It was Trump winning, the chaos involved, and all the people that were convinced that Trump was somehow or another going to lose.

Tim Dillon 39:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:10 And that-

Tim Dillon 39:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:10 ... then he won.

Tim Dillon 39:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:11 And then they couldn't believe that he was the president, and then they thought he was gonna go to jail. What, what's that fucking crazy guy with the glasses that was always ranting and raving from a basement on GQ? That guy.

Tim Dillon 39:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:22 That fucking lunatic.

Tim Dillon 39:24 He was out of his mind.

Joe Rogan 39:25 Still is.

Tim Dillon 39:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:25 Out of his fucking mind, and ranting and raving like, "It's imminent, he's going to jail any moment now." And he was doing this-

Tim Dillon 39:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:31 ... like, Ed w- this, this fake, like... What's that guy's name? Murrow? Edwards-

Tim Dillon 39:36 Edwards Murrow ... Murrow.

Joe Rogan 39:37 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 39:37 He was doing, like, a version of that.

Joe Rogan 39:39 Right. And so everybody was, like, frothing at the mouth.

Tim Dillon 39:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:42 Then we get to the end of Trump's reign.

Tim Dillon 39:45 Yet nothing happened.

Joe Rogan 39:46 Nothing happens, but-

Tim Dillon 39:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:47 ... then the Capitol Hill attack.

Tim Dillon 39:49 And then those people on the other side are out of their minds going like, "He's still the president."

Joe Rogan 39:54 Well, I've been reading things-

Tim Dillon 39:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:55 ... about the Capitol Hill attack that-

Tim Dillon 39:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:57 ... have been fascinating.

Tim Dillon 39:57 Really?

Joe Rogan 39:58 There's a lot of people that believe that informants, and not just informants, but people working for the government were a part of the manipulation of the Capitol Hill attack the same way... You know, yeah-

Tim Dillon 40:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:08 ... you ever, you know the story, we talked about it before recently in the podcast about there was a 19-year-old re- kind of dumb kid who, uh, the FBI tricked this kid into thinking that he had a bomb and detonating this bomb. They talked him into it.

Tim Dillon 40:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:22 They, they made-

Tim Dillon 40:23 They do it all the time.

Joe Rogan 40:23 ... him an extremist. They ga-

Tim Dillon 40:25 They do it all the time.

Joe Rogan 40:25 ... they gave him-

Tim Dillon 40:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:26 ... the bomb, gave him a cellphone to detonate the bomb. He tries to detonate the bomb, and then the FBI arrests him.

Tim Dillon 40:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:33 And then he's in jail for fucking the rest of his life or whatever. But they manipulated him and got him to the point where he acted.

Tim Dillon 40:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:39 And there's people that are saying that there's some people that believe, and I, I, I'm gonna be careful at how I say this, 'cause I don't know what's real and what's not.

Tim Dillon 40:47 No, let's get a good clip. Just speak. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:51 (laughs) Let's do numbers. There are people that believe that there was some manipulation involved in some of these extremist groups.

Tim Dillon 40:57 Well, there always is.

Joe Rogan 40:57 Some of these pro-Trump extremist-

Tim Dillon 40:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:59 ... groups in that they talked these people into attacking the Capitol Hill building. Now, here's where it gets weird.

Tim Dillon 41:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:05 Have you ever seen the videos of cops opening up the gates-

Tim Dillon 41:08 That is very strange.

Joe Rogan 41:09 ... and letting people through?

Tim Dillon 41:09 I have.

Joe Rogan 41:10 W- where is the explanation to what the fuck is going on there?

Tim Dillon 41:12 That I don't know. I've heard that.

Joe Rogan 41:14 Let's look at that.

Tim Dillon 41:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:14 Let's look at the videos because they're-

Tim Dillon 41:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:16 ... fucking nuts. Like, these cops-

Tim Dillon 41:18 Well, listen, there's just the whole Boston Marathon bombing where the FBI knew who these guys were.

Joe Rogan 41:21 Yes.

Tim Dillon 41:21 They had maybe recruited them as informants. Russian intelligence came out and said, "You know exactly who these people are." They were allowed to travel to Dagestan and back all the time. Uh, I believe that, um, the FBI had, when, when they had a trial, they put special administrative measures on the trial, meaning that you, you didn't hear one peep out of that trial. The, where the cameras weren't allowed in the court. It was a very closed proceeding, and now the one guy that's alive is locked up in Florence ADX Colorado Prison and no one can speak to him or get to him. So, it clearly, they, every movement from COINTELPRO to anything, I mean, Oklahoma City bombing, people say that like, you know, McVeigh was part of a group that they were surveying and they had informants and they were trying to recruit people, and a lot of times, these things go wrong organically or the other thing is, do they go wrong because they're allowed to go wrong? Or encouraged to go wrong?

Joe Rogan 42:12 Well, this was the Alex Jones take, that they allowed it to go wrong so that they can install new laws and that they can institute-

Tim Dillon 42:19 Perhaps.

Joe Rogan 42:19 ... these new laws-

Tim Dillon 42:20 But Trump, Trump's-

Joe Rogan 42:21 ... to, to survey people.

Tim Dillon 42:22 Yeah, Trump's speech was very like-

Joe Rogan 42:24 Oh, yeah.

Tim Dillon 42:25 ... incendiary. He was very much like-

Joe Rogan 42:26 Oh, yeah.

Tim Dillon 42:26 ... "They're doing it in there." He's pointing at the Capitol. He's like-

Joe Rogan 42:28 No doubt.

Tim Dillon 42:28 ... "They're doing it in there. Pence is doing it in there. They're the pro-" Like, he was-

Joe Rogan 42:33 Did he say Pence was doing it?

Tim Dillon 42:34 Yeah. I mean, if you g- break down his speech, you look at, it w- and he was talking-

Joe Rogan 42:38 (coughs)

Tim Dillon 42:38 ... it was all present tense. It wasn't like, "It's done. It's over." It was like, "It's happening now." Let, you know? So-

Joe Rogan 42:44 So watch this. The police open the fucking gates. Look at this. So here's the cops. Look at, the, the cops are literally-

Tim Dillon 42:49 That is fucking weird.

Joe Rogan 42:50 ... opening the gates and stepping aside, and look at this fucking hoodlum, is letting, is calling these people through. So this is f- literally insanity. It's insane. And the cops were taking selfies with some of these people, so I think some of these people were like MAGA cops, right?

Tim Dillon 43:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:08 So they thought it was a good idea that these people were attacking the Capitol building-

Tim Dillon 43:11 They were like, "It's just, they're just having-"

Joe Rogan 43:12 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 43:12 "... a little fun."

Joe Rogan 43:13 Yeah. The fact that a guy thought he could walk through with a fucking conservative fla- uh, with a co- Confederate flag.

Tim Dillon 43:17 Who was the guy with the-

Joe Rogan 43:19 Look at that guy.

Tim Dillon 43:19 Yeah. I mean, the guy-

Joe Rogan 43:21 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 43:21 ... with the horns.

Joe Rogan 43:22 Yes.

Tim Dillon 43:22 And the, the hat.

Joe Rogan 43:23 Oh, he's funny.

Tim Dillon 43:23 Jake Angiuli.

Joe Rogan 43:24 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 43:25 Uh, and he should be. I mean, he charged into the Capitol. But, um-... it was very cartoonish. It looked like a high school theater group that had lost their minds.

Joe Rogan 43:34 Well-

Tim Dillon 43:34 Like-

Joe Rogan 43:34 ... it's a bunch of kids living in their parents' house.

Tim Dillon 43:36 Yeah. Well, it's old people.

Joe Rogan 43:37 Like th-

Tim Dillon 43:37 These are, like, old people.

Joe Rogan 43:38 That guy with the hat, the-

Tim Dillon 43:39 Yeah, was living in his parent- yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:39 ... the Buffalo hat lives at his parents' house.

Tim Dillon 43:41 It was the natural-

Joe Rogan 43:42 He's, he's a loser.

Tim Dillon 43:43 I'm sure that they absolutely had people in there. I think, you know, when you look at a lot of far alt-right figures that just di- disappear, a lot of those guys are probably feds. There's probably feds in Antifa. I'm sure there are. Because if they're not-

Joe Rogan 43:56 Of course.

Tim Dillon 43:56 ... they're not doing their job, right?

Joe Rogan 43:57 Right. They have to.

Tim Dillon 43:58 They have to be there, and they have to monitor these groups, and they have to get information. How-

Joe Rogan 44:01 Well, I bet they also manipulate them and get them to do wild shit so they can arrest them.

Tim Dillon 44:05 Of course. And it delegitimizes any of, you know... There was a great argument about the hippie movement in America. The hippie movement in America s- the, the Vietnam War, uh, opposition to the Vietnam War started with the Catholic Church. It started with very, um, you know, it started with priests. It started with people that were saying, "We're against, we're non-violent. We don't think we should do this. It's not our fight." And then it became drenched in psychedelic drugs. It became about free lo- and, and if you look at who's pushing all of that, it is a lot of these, um, interesting cults and groups that have real ties to US intelligence, and that's a fact. And it doesn't mean that it wouldn't have happened anyway. Maybe they sped it up, maybe they accelerated it. But you're looking at, you know, the CIA working with Timothy Leary. You're looking at a lot of those weird cults and stuff having some relationship with intelligence. And if you look at, like, especially California, Laurel Canyon, in that area-

Joe Rogan 45:01 Oh, yeah.

Tim Dillon 45:02 ... it is very, very strange. That book, you had that guy on your show.

Joe Rogan 45:05 Chaos.

Tim Dillon 45:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:05 Tom O'Neill.

Tim Dillon 45:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:06 That.

Tim Dillon 45:06 Tom O'Neill.

Joe Rogan 45:06 Incredible book. Uh, and I brought it up the other day with Quentin Tarantino.

Tim Dillon 45:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:10 And Tarantino, uh, had read it as well.

Tim Dillon 45:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:13 I think he r- did he say he read it after he wrote the script?

Narrator 45:16 Dern, I think he talked... I think he said he's got, like, he talked to him for sure.

Joe Rogan 45:19 Yeah.

Narrator 45:19 I, I think it was after though.

Joe Rogan 45:20 Yeah. I think after, he really f- what, did the deep dive and found out how fucking crazy the whole CIA experiments with LSD are.

Tim Dillon 45:27 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:28 To the point where the, uh... M- my wife's mom was a hippie in Haight-Ashbury back in the dizze. And now, if you met her, she's, like, super nice grandma-

Tim Dillon 45:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:38 ... lady you would never imagine.

Tim Dillon 45:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:39 But back in the day, she used to go to the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic, which was literally run by the CIA.

Tim Dillon 45:46 Crazy.

Joe Rogan 45:46 And that's where Manson and all those guys were getting acid from.

Tim Dillon 45:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:50 And then right after Tom O'Neill's book comes out, the, the, the, the fucking Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic had been around for decades.

Tim Dillon 45:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 45:57 After Tom O'Neill's book, couple months later-

Tim Dillon 45:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:59 ... gone. They shut it down.

Tim Dillon 46:01 It's crazy. I-

Joe Rogan 46:01 It was a part of Operation Midnight Climax.

Tim Dillon 46:03 Yes.

Joe Rogan 46:04 About all those people dosing people with acid and it, it-

Tim Dillon 46:06 Well, that's the whole thing. And then if you look at it, you know, Operation Mockingbird, how far the CIA is entrenched into the media.

Joe Rogan 46:11 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 46:11 And how far all the media narratives are being sculpted by a lot of the, you know, US intelligence people, and then a lot of the social movements that we think are just organic grassroots movements are either started, encouraged, or co-opted by... So, everything's possible. Anything is possible.

Joe Rogan 46:28 It is that nuts.

Tim Dillon 46:29 Absolutely anything is possible. When you saw the riots in LA and you saw these teams of people, um, burning cars-

Joe Rogan 46:37 The recent riots?

Tim Dillon 46:38 The, the-

Joe Rogan 46:38 The George Floyd?

Tim Dillon 46:39 The George Floyd riots. But there were, like, teams of really skilled people going in there. And, like, there were cop cars that were, like, abandoned. Why are there cop cars abandoned?

Joe Rogan 46:48 Right.

Tim Dillon 46:48 Who's abandoning a cop car in the middle of a street before the riot- Weird things happen when you start seeing to yourself, like, I think the idea that chaos makes people more compliant and makes people go, "Hey, whatever new laws you guys need to pass, do it."

Joe Rogan 47:04 How about the pallets of rocks and bricks that were left around?

Tim Dillon 47:07 Crazy. Crazy.

Joe Rogan 47:08 That's real shit.

Tim Dillon 47:09 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 47:09 And people say, "Oh, it's... This is a, a baseless conspiracy theory. There were actual construction jobs going on at the time."

Tim Dillon 47:17 Yeah. No.

Joe Rogan 47:17 Listen, nonsense.

Tim Dillon 47:18 Nonsense.

Joe Rogan 47:18 Take it from someone who's worked in construction.

Tim Dillon 47:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:20 They don't just pull fucking-

Tim Dillon 47:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:22 ... pallets of bricks and leave them laying around where they know there's gonna be riots.

Tim Dillon 47:26 It's an absolute possibility that no matter what... If there is a threat to the mainstream, if there is a threat to the system, making those people as ex- seem as extreme as humanly possible, and a lot of them are, but making them seem really crazy and really violent delegitimizes all of their good points.

Joe Rogan 47:44 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 47:44 And what it allows is it allows people to then dismiss anything that comes from that group.

Joe Rogan 47:52 Exactly.

Tim Dillon 47:52 Or that, that, you know, whatever, that e- that, that base of ideas.

Joe Rogan 47:56 Did anybody ever do an investigation on the plates of, uh, the pallets of bricks, like a legitimate independent organization do an investigation to figure out what the fuck was going on? Because so many people that were showing up at these protests, and even where there were no construction sites-

Tim Dillon 48:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:13 ... would find these pallets of bricks.

Tim Dillon 48:15 Pallets of bricks.

Joe Rogan 48:16 Like, what in the fuck?

Tim Dillon 48:18 People... It's, it's crazy. And then you start thinking about, you're like, "Oh, my God, is anything real?"

Joe Rogan 48:23 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 48:23 "Or are we just living in a video game that people are arranging pretty much everything?" We're looking at all these events and we're thinking they're all organic. And what they allow us to do is, no matter what the events are, whether it's Antifa, whether it's a Capitol riot, we just go, "Well, the other side is nuts." But what if it's really just a group of people kind of really helping curate this division so that they can remain in power and fuck kids on Epstein's Island?

Joe Rogan 48:48 That's-

Tim Dillon 48:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:49 ... the most insidious possibility, right? That is the most insidious possibility. I mean-

Tim Dillon 48:54 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 48:54 Things have gotten to the point where, you know, Antifa now, 'cause you, you can get in trouble for carrying weapons. Now they carry frying pans. They're hitting people over the head with frying pans. They're saying, "Well, we're on our way to go cook."

Tim Dillon 49:06 Well, I mean, that's-

Joe Rogan 49:06 And so they have cast iron frying pans-

Tim Dillon 49:09 Hilarious.

Joe Rogan 49:09 ... and they're bashing people's-

Tim Dillon 49:09 They're heavy.

Joe Rogan 49:10 It's a great weapon.

Tim Dillon 49:11 It's a great weapon.

Joe Rogan 49:11 Especially if you... There's a, there's a... What is it called? There's a, there's one company in New York-

Tim Dillon 49:20 That makes them.

Joe Rogan 49:20 ... that makes a great one because it makes a really long cast iron handle.

Tim Dillon 49:25 Okay.

Joe Rogan 49:25 So you could grab it-

Tim Dillon 49:26 I have it. I got, my friend got me that.

Joe Rogan 49:28 ... even when it's hot. Yeah. Oh, okay.

Tim Dillon 49:29 And we make every steak or burger on that grill.

Joe Rogan 49:31 Yeah, they're great.

Tim Dillon 49:32 Yeah. And pork chops, everything.

Joe Rogan 49:33 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 49:34 Everything's good.

Joe Rogan 49:34 Um, I found out about it from Bourdain because Bourdain had this video that he was doing, this video series he was doing on YouTube where he would go to visit people that were making things. And there was a place in Brooklyn and they basically take like, uh, brake rotors which are cast iron brake rotors and they would melt these old rotors down and turn them into frying pans.

Tim Dillon 49:55 Wow.

Joe Rogan 49:55 So they had a whole, you know... What, what is, what are those things called? Uh, furnace, burr... What is it called? Uh, when they do that with... When they're making knives and shit? And they're cast, casting them in the... You know. What the fuck is that called?

Tim Dillon 50:10 Kiln? Isn't it kiln? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:11 Mm, it's like a kiln but there's another word for it. When they're doing it with metal.

Tim Dillon 50:14 Smalt... Smalting or something?

Joe Rogan 50:16 Forging. I think it was forge.

Tim Dillon 50:17 Forging.

Joe Rogan 50:17 So they, they're like, the company's something Forge and they make these really cool frying pans with a nice long handle. You can really bash a fascist over the head with it.

Tim Dillon 50:26 I love, I love the idea that this company is going, "We're doing great business in Seattle."

Joe Rogan 50:30 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 50:30 They go, "We're killing it in Portland.

Joe Rogan 50:32 Portland's off the charts. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 50:32 "We had no idea." Um-

Joe Rogan 50:34 Everybody loves cooking.

Tim Dillon 50:35 It, it's, it's very... It's very strange when you start zooming out and you start going, "What do we know?" And what, uh, what is real and what isn't real and we know so many crazy people. That's why everything's believable.

Joe Rogan 50:47 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 50:47 Because we know so many fucking lunatics that we go, "Listen, people are just crazy." But that being said, the powers that be know they're crazy.

Joe Rogan 50:54 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 50:54 And you can easily steer them to do anything. You know? And sometimes they don't even need to be steered, they're just there.

Joe Rogan 51:01 Well, the idea that we've stopped manipulating the population is ridiculous.

Tim Dillon 51:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:05 Why would they do that? It's always been very effective.

Tim Dillon 51:07 Why would they stop it? Why would they stop it?

Joe Rogan 51:07 They did it through the '60s, they did it through the '70s when-

Tim Dillon 51:10 Well, I love that Pentagon just came out and they were like, "Hey, ISIS is still a threat." And everyone's like, "Shut up."

Joe Rogan 51:13 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 51:14 "Shut the fuck up. Enough." People are like, no, they're like, "No, no, no, they're still a threat." And they go, "Not only is it not a threat but, like, you guys can't come back four years later." I mean, it's an old bit. It's like a comic doing an old bit.

Joe Rogan 51:26 Yeah. (laughs) It's an old bit. You go, "That was on your special."

Tim Dillon 51:29 They go, "That was on your special. That was on your special three years ago. You're doing ISIS?"

Joe Rogan 51:32 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 51:32 "You're closing with ISIS?"

Joe Rogan 51:34 Ah.

Tim Dillon 51:34 "You can't do it." And again, I think it's just, it, it, it's this just people need to be controlled and they'll just... You know, they'll do it through tech and, which is why it's fucked up what happened to the Weinsteins who are, I don't know if you know this, massive fans of yours truly. But, uh-

Joe Rogan 51:49 Weinsteins.

Tim Dillon 51:51 Is it Weinsteins?

Joe Rogan 51:51 Yeah. Weinstein is Harvey. Weinstein is Eric and Bret.

Tim Dillon 51:55 They're not related?

Joe Rogan 51:56 No.

Tim Dillon 51:56 Kidding. Clip that. Anyway.

Joe Rogan 51:57 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 51:59 I, I think it was so fucked up that they were demonetized. I think it's crazy and I think that's really what they're gonna do. They're gonna make it not profitable to go against the grain.

Joe Rogan 52:10 Yes.

Tim Dillon 52:11 And then once it's not profitable, less people do it.

Joe Rogan 52:15 Exactly.

Tim Dillon 52:15 And then they've, they've won.

Joe Rogan 52:17 Well, demonetizing was something that troubled me on YouTube in-

Tim Dillon 52:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:21 ... a, a particular because it's a form of self-censorship. You find out-

Tim Dillon 52:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:24 Like, they would demonetize a certain percentage of our videos. And you would find out about it, like, Jamie would go, "They demonetized that video." We'd be like, "Why?" Like it did, "Oh, you talked about the election," or, "Oh, you talked about..." But we didn't even say anything bad.

Tim Dillon 52:38 Crazy.

Joe Rogan 52:38 It, it did, it was, it was nuts. It was like there's certain subjects where you couldn't touch and if you touched them, automatically (snaps fingers) you're, and then you'd have to appeal and sometimes you'd win the appeal and sometimes you didn't. Here's when we found out that it was all horse shit.

Tim Dillon 52:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:51 As soon as we switched over to Spotify 'cause when we switched over to Spotify, magically all of our videos were available for monetization. So for the three months-

Tim Dillon 53:02 Yeah, we got nothing.

Joe Rogan 53:02 ... that we were on YouTube and Spotify where, uh, they were, it was on both, they, they let us monetize everything because they wanted to make the money off of it. They're like, "Look, he's leaving."

Tim Dillon 53:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:13 "He's gonna go to Spotify."

Tim Dillon 53:14 So it was basically nothing?

Joe Rogan 53:16 Well, it's, it's based-

Tim Dillon 53:17 Well, it's like-

Joe Rogan 53:17 ... in arbitrary decision making-

Tim Dillon 53:19 Yeah. Right.

Joe Rogan 53:19 By a bunch of people that work there. So it's incredibly subjective.

Tim Dillon 53:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:22 So you decide, "You know, this fucking Tim Dillon guy and his Meghan McCain impression."

Tim Dillon 53:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:25 "Fuck him."

Tim Dillon 53:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:26 Demonetized.

Tim Dillon 53:27 Left The View, by the way.

Joe Rogan 53:28 I know.

Tim Dillon 53:28 She left The View.

Joe Rogan 53:29 Well, she's free to be on your show now.

Tim Dillon 53:30 We, we wish her well.

Joe Rogan 53:31 Imagine you as her on your show interviewing her.

Tim Dillon 53:34 I, I would love to interview her as her but I think there's, there's such a-

Joe Rogan 53:38 Small chance?

Tim Dillon 53:39 ... small chance-

Joe Rogan 53:41 So you're saying there's a chance?

Tim Dillon 53:42 ... that that's gonna happen. Yes, there is a chance but it's not big.

Joe Rogan 53:45 What if I helped her? What if I was there? What if I was there, like, as a moderator?

Tim Dillon 53:49 Any, any... You wanna organize it? I'll show up.

Joe Rogan 53:51 I would do it.

Tim Dillon 53:52 I absolutely will show up.

Joe Rogan 53:53 How about you and her together on this show?

Tim Dillon 53:54 Well, I think, I don't think I should do it the whole time but I think it'd be fun to interview her for five minutes and then say, "Hey, Meghan, I get it." I also hate Joy Behar so...

Joe Rogan 54:02 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 54:02 I don't love you but I also hate that squawking bird.

Joe Rogan 54:05 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 54:06 So I hate the whole thing. And frankly that show, you wanna talk about a show that set women back-

Joe Rogan 54:10 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 54:10 ... is The View. You wanna talk about that show, if the CIA is engineering, uh, you know, Antifa and, uh, fucking, the Capitol riot, some crazy misogynist engineered The View 'cause there's nothing worse than The View in terms of, like, there are so many brilliant women out there, none of them are on The View.

Joe Rogan 54:30 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 54:30 None of them have gotten near the set of The View. I mean, they have brought in the lowest tier, uh, of, of, of, of the, what is it? The Y chromosome? No.

Joe Rogan 54:39 Double X.

Tim Dillon 54:40 The X. Okay.

Joe Rogan 54:40 Double X.

Tim Dillon 54:40 They brought in the lowest of the double Xs for that one.

Joe Rogan 54:43 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 54:43 It's rough.

Joe Rogan 54:45 Yeah, did you watch the episode when Tulsi Gabbard got on to defend herself and J- Joy Behar starts panicking, going over her notes while Tulsi is refuting everything that she said?

Tim Dillon 54:53 Yeah, I mean, Joy Behar, like, again, these, these, these people have dementia. These are people who, like, should not be allowed out of the house. They have a national platform. I mean, it is crazy. They have no idea... These people have never read, like, a book.

Joe Rogan 55:08 And there's versions of it.

Tim Dillon 55:10 Yes.

Joe Rogan 55:10 Like, then the other one with Sharon Osbourne.

Tim Dillon 55:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:13 Where, what, what did Sharon... She said something racially insensitive.

Tim Dillon 55:16 I think she said that she doesn't like-I, I don't... I think she said, "Why is Piers Morgan racist?" I don't even think it was that bad. She's friends with Piers Morgan, right? Yeah, and she goes-

Joe Rogan 55:25 You know, the thing that makes me-

Tim Dillon 55:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:27 ... pause is Sheryl Underwood is cool as fuck. I know Sheryl Underwood f-

Tim Dillon 55:30 Yeah, I don't know any of them, but-

Joe Rogan 55:31 She's cool as fuck.

Tim Dillon 55:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:32 I've, I've known her forever. I've, I did Montreal Comedy Festival with her-

Tim Dillon 55:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:36 ... back in the day. She's fucking hilarious.

Tim Dillon 55:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:38 You ever seen her stand-up?

Tim Dillon 55:39 I know that she's great 'cause I know people that know her. But I've never-

Joe Rogan 55:41 Murders.

Tim Dillon 55:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:42 She murders.

Tim Dillon 55:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:43 She goes on stage with her purse.

Tim Dillon 55:45 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:45 And she's, she's funny.

Tim Dillon 55:46 It's funny.

Joe Rogan 55:46 Really funny, man.

Tim Dillon 55:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:47 Really funny, and cool as fuck. So, if she doesn't like her, I gotta go, "Mm, man." You know what I mean?

Tim Dillon 55:53 Yeah, there's probably something there. There's probably something there.

Joe Rogan 55:56 I don't know, but I remember when she was making fun of the guy who got his dick chopped off and the wife threw it in the blender.

Tim Dillon 56:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:02 Sh- or threw it in the garbage disposal.

Tim Dillon 56:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:04 And she was laughing about what it must've looked like. "His little ween rolling around inside the blender." Like that.

Tim Dillon 56:08 No, she's, she's... No one wants that. She's not anybody's choice.

Joe Rogan 56:11 But, but that's a crazy thing to laugh at. A guy getting his dick-

Tim Dillon 56:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:15 ... chopped off and someone thr- like, he's getting mutilated.

Tim Dillon 56:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:19 His humanity is taken from him.

Tim Dillon 56:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:21 His manhood is literally getting ground up.

Tim Dillon 56:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:23 And she thought it was funny. But again, people think things are funny 'cause they don't think about the person they're making fun of. You and I are both guilty of doing that.

Tim Dillon 56:31 Of course.

Joe Rogan 56:32 As comics, it's-

Tim Dillon 56:33 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 56:34 But that one was, like, particularly, like-

Tim Dillon 56:35 You're like, "Wow."

Joe Rogan 56:36 ... rough.

Tim Dillon 56:36 Well, just, it was started at The View and then they have all these ones, they like to talk.

Joe Rogan 56:40 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 56:40 You know? And it's just like-

Joe Rogan 56:41 That's profitable.

Tim Dillon 56:42 And then every one gets, like, C-list and then D-list.

Joe Rogan 56:45 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 56:46 And then they're, like, resurrecting sitcom stars from the '80s.

Joe Rogan 56:49 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 56:49 They're like, "What do you think about Palestine?" And it's like, what are we doing here?

Joe Rogan 56:51 Right, right.

Tim Dillon 56:52 We don't need any of these people's opinions.

Joe Rogan 56:54 Yeah. It's, it's a fucking weird thing, man. Like, uh, Sherri Shepherd, she used to be on the, The View as well. She's really nice too. She was always at the store.

Tim Dillon 57:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:03 She was always cool as fuck. Really nice lady.

Tim Dillon 57:05 I'm sure they're all nice.

Joe Rogan 57:06 She was really nice. Sherri Shepherd is a really nice lady. And she's also, like, super religious. Like, she's a-

Tim Dillon 57:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:13 ... God-fearing Christian woman, like, full stop, you know?

Tim Dillon 57:16 Yeah. I just, I... Can I suggest a thing for The View? This is a suggestion I have. Men.

Joe Rogan 57:22 No chance.

Tim Dillon 57:23 Just men on the show.

Joe Rogan 57:27 But women watch it. See, that's the thing. It's like, it's a lot of it is women that are home, right? During that time. It airs during the day.

Tim Dillon 57:33 What if we put the women in the audience and let the men discuss the issues?

Joe Rogan 57:37 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 57:38 This is just an idea I have for ABC. Corporate.

Joe Rogan 57:41 Well, clearly The View-

Tim Dillon 57:42 Or have one woman serve everyone drinks and give her a quick opinion. Quick, in and out, just go like-

Joe Rogan 57:49 And then the, the guys go, "Blah."

Tim Dillon 57:50 Just go, she go, she walks in, she goes, "Yeah, Israel seems like it's go-" Thanks. And then they keep going. I think that's a happy medium.

Joe Rogan 57:56 Why doesn't The View have any trans women on it?

Tim Dillon 57:59 Great point. It has a lot of women that look trans, but none of them-

Joe Rogan 58:02 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 58:04 It has a lot of second and third takes.

Joe Rogan 58:07 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 58:07 After a drink, you go, "Huh?"

Joe Rogan 58:09 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 58:09 But it doesn't have a ton of... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:11 It's zero.

Tim Dillon 58:12 I agree. It should be-

Joe Rogan 58:13 Right?

Tim Dillon 58:13 ... all trans women.

Joe Rogan 58:15 Imagine.

Tim Dillon 58:15 The best era of The View, and I've talked about it before, was when Rosie O'Donnell was talking about Building 7.

Joe Rogan 58:20 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 58:20 That was the be-... That I watched, and I went-

Joe Rogan 58:21 That was the, back in the day.

Tim Dillon 58:22 "Okay." That was back in the day, but it's just damaged.

Joe Rogan 58:24 Here's a good example. Here's a good example why the, the discussion about Building 7 and the collapse is not valid.

Tim Dillon 58:31 It is. It's so valid.

Joe Rogan 58:32 Like, but, but here's why, here's why. This building in Miami that just collapsed.

Tim Dillon 58:36 Yes.

Joe Rogan 58:36 It collapsed the exact same way.

Tim Dillon 58:37 No, it didn't. Half of it's still there.

Joe Rogan 58:40 Right.

Tim Dillon 58:40 Building 7 came down-

Joe Rogan 58:40 But the part that came down, came down the exact same way.

Tim Dillon 58:43 Sure.

Joe Rogan 58:44 Came down like a controlled demolition.

Tim Dillon 58:45 But it didn't all come down.

Joe Rogan 58:46 Right, because the whole thing wasn't on fire from the basement with giant diesel tanks.

Tim Dillon 58:50 Yeah, but-

Joe Rogan 58:50 Like Building 7.

Tim Dillon 58:51 But it was built in a very fucked up way. I think we're gonna find out-

Joe Rogan 58:54 Right.

Tim Dillon 58:54 ... how fucked up it was built. Building 7, to, to believe that, we'd have to believe that Building 7 was, like, done on the cheap. Building 7 was, like, this massive building that had n- uh, really didn't have any structural problems. It was on fire for a few hours, and then it fell-

Joe Rogan 59:08 Yeah, but it fell slowly.

Tim Dillon 59:10 ... entirely.

Joe Rogan 59:10 Do you know the i-... The middle of it fell first.

Tim Dillon 59:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:12 There's a guy that had a great YouTube video, and I'd love to talk to you about this. I'm excited we're talking about this.

Tim Dillon 59:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:17 There's a guy who had a great YouTube video, and he was a full-on 9/11 truther.

Tim Dillon 59:21 Yes.

Joe Rogan 59:21 But then he did a deeper dive into understanding what was going on during the fire and how the thing collapsed. And the videos that you would watch, where it showed the whole thing collapse at free fall speeds, he was like, it, what they didn't show you is that minutes before that-

Tim Dillon 59:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:35 ... the center of it had collapsed.

Tim Dillon 59:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:37 So if you watch the roof line, there's like, these boxes or these, the structure-

Tim Dillon 59:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:42 ... top of the structure. You see that stuff go boom and fall through. So shit was already-

Tim Dillon 59:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:47 ... deteriorating, raging fires from the basement, which apparently, wasn't there, wasn't there, like, diesel tanks in the basement? Was that what was going on? And there was, like, a de- like, a fucking serious fire. Deteriorated, the whole thing, it's lit on fire. All of the w- the steel gets weakened, all the concrete gets weakened. It caves in at the top, and then one of the top floors goes, and then the whole thing caves in.

Tim Dillon 1:00:10 Did he do a deep dive into why we left 17 pages out of the 9/11 Commission Report that protected Saudi Arabia? Four days after the attack, Bandar, Prince Bandar was on, in the Rose Ga- or, uh, you know, on the balcony of the White House with the President of the United States. 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. We completely exempted them from any culpability and attacked two countries that had nothing to do with it.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 Well, that-

Tim Dillon 1:00:34 That's-

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 ... is a real conspiracy.

Tim Dillon 1:00:35 Well, that's fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 That's a real conspiracy. Yeah, it is fucking crazy.

Tim Dillon 1:00:38 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 But it doesn't mean that the, the building was a controlled demolition.

Tim Dillon 1:00:42 I don't know that it... Listen, that building collapsed in a very strange way for a building that was not hit by anything.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 But it was destroyed. The parts of the building were destroyed. There was big chunks of the building that were fucked up, and there was a raging fire.

Tim Dillon 1:00:54 I understand that. But-

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 What do you think happened? You think they detonated it?

Tim Dillon 1:00:58 I don't, I don't know that we'll ever know.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 But if you had a guess?

Tim Dillon 1:01:00 I, why is Larry Silverstein saying, "Pull it?"

Joe Rogan 1:01:03 Yeah, what did that mean?

Tim Dillon 1:01:04 What did that mean?

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 What did that mean?

Tim Dillon 1:01:05 I don't know. Maybe it means something. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Yeah, what does it mean?

Tim Dillon 1:01:08 How are they making pho-... I can't get service on my phone when I take off. How are you making a phone call at 25,000 feet in the air, uh, uh, from a cell phone, telling 'em, "We love you."

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 Is that real though?

Tim Dillon 1:01:20 Yeah!

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 ... but did people really do that?

Tim Dillon 1:01:21 They, they-

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 They said people really did that.

Tim Dillon 1:01:23 They said they did. Well-

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 But that was th- that was the flight that many people believe got shot down. You know that story?

Tim Dillon 1:01:30 Yeah, that's p- potentially true, but w-

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 Potentially very true, 'cause this was one that was heading-

Tim Dillon 1:01:34 There was a few flights. The best documentary is called 9/11: The New Pearl Harbor. It's five hours. It's made by a guy named Massimo Mazzucco. If it... And a rainy day in Austin, which we have a few of, I'm telling you, watch the docu... I watched it to debunk it. It is very difficult to not come away from it going, "Hey, at least I don't understand what happened." I don't know why there's not a video of the plane hitting the Pentagon. There's 80 security cameras. There's not one video?

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 There is a video.

Tim Dillon 1:02:00 There's absolutely not.

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 There's a video of it.

Tim Dillon 1:02:02 Not of a plane hitting the Pentagon.

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 There's a video of something hitting it.

Tim Dillon 1:02:04 It's a fireball-

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 No.

Tim Dillon 1:02:06 I'm telling, I'm telling you.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 No, no, no. It's a, an object that slams into the Pentagon-

Tim Dillon 1:02:09 Yeah, but it's supposed to be-

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 ... was one of those shitty... Those cameras are shitty.

Tim Dillon 1:02:13 They-

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 Right? Those security cameras, especially security cameras in 2001, they're really shitty cameras. But you can see this thing hit the Pentagon.

Tim Dillon 1:02:21 What looks like the nose of a plane, it's a fireball hittin' it.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 It's hard to tell what it is.

Tim Dillon 1:02:25 It does not look like a 737-

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 But if a 737-

Tim Dillon 1:02:29 ... or a 750-60 something or whatever it is.

Joe Rogan 1:02:30 ... whatever it is, is going 500 miles an hour with a shitty video camera?

Tim Dillon 1:02:33 Show us another angle.

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 They don't have another angle.

Tim Dillon 1:02:35 There's 80, there's 80 angles.

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 No, no, no. Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:02:36 There's 80 cameras. How is there not another angle?

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 Top secret. We're protecting you.

Tim Dillon 1:02:40 Yeah. Well, thanks. Thanks. The 9/11 commission report said this was set up to fail.

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 Let's take-

Tim Dillon 1:02:45 Oh, here it is. Here's the plane.

Joe Rogan 1:02:46 Here's the video. Let's see it.

Tim Dillon 1:02:47 That's not a plane.

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 What is it?

Tim Dillon 1:02:48 It's not a plane.

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Let me see it again.

Tim Dillon 1:02:50 I have no idea what it is. You know it's not a plane. That is del-

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 That's a plane.

Tim Dillon 1:02:53 That is not a plane.

Narrator 1:02:54 Jim?

Joe Rogan 1:02:54 Not a plane?

Tim Dillon 1:02:54 Not a plane.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 Jamie?

Narrator 1:02:55 I don't know. That's pretty quick.

Tim Dillon 1:02:57 That's not a plane.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 What is that? That little thing? Oh, y- you know what? It's not a plane.

Tim Dillon 1:03:02 It's not a plane. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 (laughs) Wait a minute. That's not a plane.

Tim Dillon 1:03:05 It's not a plane.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 Let's just see that again.

Tim Dillon 1:03:05 It's just what it is.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 Hold on a second.

Tim Dillon 1:03:07 It's not a plane.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 If it is... How... Well, first of all-

Tim Dillon 1:03:09 It may identify as a plane.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 ... how big, how big is a 737? How many people are on that bitch?

Tim Dillon 1:03:13 A lot.

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 Say that ag- play that again, Jamie. Let me see it again.

Narrator 1:03:15 A plane.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 That's a plane. That's a plane.

Tim Dillon 1:03:19 It's not a plane. No, it's not.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 Wait a minute. Let's see it again.

Tim Dillon 1:03:21 See it again.

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Okay. Right there.

Tim Dillon 1:03:24 No.

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 What's that? That's a plane.

Tim Dillon 1:03:26 Not a plane. Not a 737.

Joe Rogan 1:03:27 How do you know?

Tim Dillon 1:03:29 I'm telling you. If-

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 But w- if that building is as big as I think it is, that might be a plane.

Tim Dillon 1:03:33 First of all-

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 Jamie, can I get your take on it?

Narrator 1:03:37 Ah, it...

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 What do you think that is? All right, here's the thing.

Tim Dillon 1:03:39 Plane size is contr-

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 Jamie's control- Jamie's in control.

Narrator 1:03:40 There's not, there's not a lot to look at here, right? So...

Tim Dillon 1:03:42 That's kinda plane sized.

Narrator 1:03:43 Look how... I mean, it's... How far away do you think that explosion is from where the camera is?

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Well, listen. You know when you're fly- when you're going into LAX and you're driving down, uh, that road and the planes are flying right over your head? Tell me that's not a, a small sized plane. It's not a 747.

Narrator 1:03:56 I know, but it's flying, like, 10 feet off the ground.

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 Right, but it's landing.

Narrator 1:03:59 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 It's coming in to land, full clip, 'cause it's gonna slam into the building.

Tim Dillon 1:04:02 When it w- when it hit the building...

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 The building's only, like, five stories or something, right?

Tim Dillon 1:04:04 Some of the heaviest part of the plane, some of the heaviest part of the plane is the wings, right? They're, they're the heaviest part of the plane. The fuselage, the middle of the plane, is, is relatively less heavy. It's where the people are, this, that, and the other thing. The wings don't really make any impact. It, it just goes in, which would make no sense-

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 Hold on, hold on.

Tim Dillon 1:04:19 ... if the fuselage had Pepsi cans.

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 No, no, no. Do you know why the wings are heavy?

Tim Dillon 1:04:23 Why?

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 'Cause they're filled with fuel.

Tim Dillon 1:04:25 But they should've snapped off. Where are they?

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 But they just, they, they blew up in a fire, man. There's chunks of fucking plane all over the lawn.

Tim Dillon 1:04:32 I don't know. Just sh-

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 I don't know.

Tim Dillon 1:04:35 Just show us a pi- picture.

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 I don't know, but I'm loving this argument.

Tim Dillon 1:04:38 Hm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 I love these arguments.

Tim Dillon 1:04:39 But here's the deal.

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:04:40 The wing... Like, the, the idea that-

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 What do you think, Jamie?

Narrator 1:04:44 I haven't looked at this, the Pentagon one in a long time. I do feel like for the... There were not that bad of security cameras all over the place for there to not be one camera-

Tim Dillon 1:04:55 There's 80 cameras. Just show us... I will shut my fat mouth and never bring this up again if you just show me a photo of a, a, or, or, a, a video, even a grainy one, of something that's a plane going into the Pentagon.

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 Oh, okay. We'll show you. Show him again, Jamie.

Tim Dillon 1:05:09 It's-

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 This is not a-

Tim Dillon 1:05:10 This is not a plane.

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 He wasn't paying attention. Show him again.

Tim Dillon 1:05:12 But Joe, this is not a plane.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 What is it?

Tim Dillon 1:05:14 And by the way, this is a doctored video. By the way, if you watch the documentary, you'll realize it's actually a doctored video.

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 How so?

Tim Dillon 1:05:19 They doc- they doctored it. It, it's... They go, they go frame by frame in the video and you can see how it's doctored.

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 Really?

Tim Dillon 1:05:25 It looks a lot more like a cruise missile than a plane.

Narrator 1:05:27 I'll find a different one. I'll be fine.

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 That looks like a cruise missile that's flying-

Tim Dillon 1:05:29 It looks li-

Joe Rogan 1:05:29 ... six inches off the ground?

Tim Dillon 1:05:31 It looks weird. It does not look like a, a, a plane.

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 Hm. I don't know. Looks like a plane to me.

Tim Dillon 1:05:36 I just-

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 That would be a giant fucking missile.

Tim Dillon 1:05:38 You have Bush and Cheney going, "We won't test. We're gonna testify together in front of the 9/11 commission in a closed door testimony," like an Abbott and Costello act. I mean, these are, uh, they were, they didn't even want to have a 9/11 commission. Like, "We don't even wanna investigate it." The president was kept in the air while Cheney and Rumsfeld ran everything from the ground. Like...

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 Well, we knew then that Cheney was pulling the strings, that George Bush was basically a puppet.

Tim Dillon 1:05:58 Well, of course. I don't know what happened. I'm, I don't think, like, Cheney and Bush did. I'm saying, isn't it a little weird that the day of 9/11 they were simulating 9/11 happening? There was an operation called Vigilant Guardian simulating an attack on the UN building in New York, causing NORAD to scramble jets. Isn't that a stroke of luck?

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 It is a stroke of luck.

Tim Dillon 1:06:17 That's a real stroke of luck.

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 Maybe they knew that that was gonna happen and that's why they organized it on that day.

Tim Dillon 1:06:21 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 Maybe that's one of the things that they're covering up.

Tim Dillon 1:06:23 But that's a real stroke of luck to-

Joe Rogan 1:06:25 Pretty amazing.

Tim Dillon 1:06:26 It's a real stroke of luck that you're simulating the exact same thing happening, and then Condoleezza Rice goes, "We had no idea planes would be hijacked and taken into buildings." And you go, "You were running an exercise the exact day it happened." You know?

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 Of that possibly happening.

Tim Dillon 1:06:39 Of that possibility. And n- and all the NORAD jets were scrambled. It's, it's very strange. It's just odd.

Joe Rogan 1:06:45 The Flight 93 one, to me, that's the one that got shot down, right? Was that what it was called?

Tim Dillon 1:06:49 Perhaps.

Joe Rogan 1:06:49 The, uh-

Tim Dillon 1:06:50 Let's Roll?

Joe Rogan 1:06:51 Yeah, the Let's Roll thing.

Tim Dillon 1:06:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 The thing about that that's crazy is that the wreckage was spread out over miles.

Tim Dillon 1:06:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:57 Which, in my eyes, would be something that would indicate something that got hit in the air.

Tim Dillon 1:07:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:02 Going 500 miles an hour. The wreckage would spread out over miles, whereas if something crashes into the ground, do you... What, what the fuck is gonna make the wreckage go miles?

Tim Dillon 1:07:12 I have no idea.

Joe Rogan 1:07:12 That doesn't make any sense. And-... I know for a fact that in situations like that, they are instructed to shoot planes down.

Tim Dillon 1:07:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:20 If they know that a plane is gonna crash-

Tim Dillon 1:07:23 Heading through the White House.

Joe Rogan 1:07:23 ... into the White House-

Tim Dillon 1:07:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:23 ... they're gonna shoot that plane out of the sky, even if it's filled with civilians, 'cause those civilians are doomed anyway.

Tim Dillon 1:07:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:28 They're casualties, no matter what you do.

Tim Dillon 1:07:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:30 They're n- If, if the plane has been hijacked and it's gonna fr- fly right into the president's house, they're gonna shoot that plane down.

Tim Dillon 1:07:37 Of course.

Joe Rogan 1:07:37 And there was witness, eyewitness accounts, w- wh- whatever the fuck that means. The problem with eyewitness accounts is they're always fucked. Like, y- though eyewitness accounts are some of the worst and most unreliable things that you could go on.

Tim Dillon 1:07:49 Of course.

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 Sometimes.

Tim Dillon 1:07:50 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:07:51 But sometimes you can